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From Nvidia 4070 to 4070ti Super - 4080/4090 not needed for 4k? | Unscripted, One take
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Nvidia RTX 4080 or 4090, or even an AMD 7900 XTX is are not necessary for 4k gaming.
I recently upgraded from an Nvidia RTX 4070 graphics card to an RTX 4070ti Super. My aim was to consistly be above 60fps for new AAA titles like Avatar Frontier of Pandora and Alan Wake 2, and close to 120fps for older ones like Miles Morales, and RDR2.
I purchased my gaming PC to play in 1440p however that resolution upscale poorly to 4k. Therefore I started playing at 4k which looks cripser and more vivid. However my frame rate was well below 60fps with ray tracing. I considered a 4080 but that would have required me to upgrade my power supply from 650watts to 850watss. Furthermore at £1k the 4080 Super is too expensive if a 5080 is just around the corner. The 7900XTX was considered but it's too close tot he 4080 in price and ai features like DLSS and frame generation are too awesome to overlook. A PSU upgrade would have been neccessary too.
As a result I settled for the 4070ti Super because it has 16GB of RAM like the 4080 which is handy for 4k gaming, DLSS and Frame Generation but at a £300 discount. I like how gorgeous the GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16G GAMING X SLIM looks in my Fractal Design North Case. My previous card was a lovely graphics card but it looked a bit puny in my gaming PC.
Some are okay playing with 20fps but im not that guy. I want my games to be over 100+ at least with max graphics settings and at 4k!!
Do you have a 4090 and a i9-14900K?
I have a 4090 and a 7950x3d
I def need dlss in most titles to get 4k 120 max with RT
Running them native usually is like 90 to 100
If it's newer
Sometimes even just 60
@HonestHans365
@@sasuke20989 90fps is native 4k is impressive. That's way more muscle than my card has - probably at 2-3x the power consumption. But that's life, top tier performance require top hardware. Alan wake 2 is the game that makes my gpu weep the most.
@HonestHans365
I don't blame my card I blame the game for not bring optimized correctly 😂😂😂
@@HonestHans365 I have 4080 super and rzyen 7800 x3d I get 140-150 fps on cyberpunk 2077 in 4k, Have the benchmark video on my channel : ).
Very nicely explained and thought out processes - thank you for the info.
You are welcome. Building or upgrading a gaming PC is fun but wooooork. Lots to think about.
Well, nice take. Nice Pc setup, lol have also have the same rug. WOW, keep it up.
Thanks! I got nothing more to buy for the PC. Temps and noise are under control. All I need I GTA6 :P
The deep pile ikea rug keeps the downstairs warm and cosy. I like green version too.
1440p 4070Ti Super User here,
it may look blurry on a big 4k TV, but 1440p looks super sharp on a Gaming Monitor
My exact system, just 32GB (3600Mhz/1933 CL16) RAM for me and I'm using a 40" 155Hz MSI Ultrawide 3440x1440 (DSRx1.78) rendering at 4587x1920.
Also playing most games at slightly over 4k using DSR with generally between 100-120 FPS.
I agree with you though I really want to get myself an AMD GPU at some point, the 7900XTX does look really good especially with the performance, but here in SA Palit is simply giving better customer support with 3 years warranty vs 2 years as well as being significantly cheaper.
Though I would say that the efficiency is somewhat exaggerated, while being mostly true, but to a lesser degree.
Just as a point of comparison in many cases the 7900XT gave more FPS per watt vs the 4070Ti Super, now the 4080 generally still has the overall win with the 4070/4090 coming in first in some games which means the 4070Ti Super is seemingly the most inefficient in the 40 series making it actually comparable to some of the AMD cards depending in games.
On everything else I fully agree though.
More in depth System specs:
Windows 11
Motherboard: Asus Strix A Gaming B550 Plus
CPU: AMD R7-5800x3D [-30 all core Undervolted]
CPU Cooling: Scythe SCFM-2100 Fuma 2 Rev.B 120mm Black
GPU: Palit RTX4070Ti Super OC (PCIe 4.0x16)
RAM: 32GB CL16 3600MHz (G.Skill.RipJaws) FLCK 1933MHz
Monitor: MSI MAG401QR 40" UWQHD (3440x1440) 155Hz
Interesting. This is the first time that I have heard of DSR. I just quickly googled it but need to deep dive.
Regarding efficiency. Nvidia has the upper hand when you use DLSS and Frame Gen. I can see the difference in power consumption when I use AI enhancement vs playing in native 4k. Granted, if you play competative online FPS games you will not use ai which nullifies the efficiency advantages of Nvidia GPUs.
I considered Palit GPUs but was unsure whether their cooling is on par with other manufacturers. How are you finding it?
Do you think it's worth upgrading from 16GB RAM to 32GB for gaming?
@@HonestHans365 I've been using palit gpus for the better part of the last 10 years. They are ok, but I killed a 1080Ti and a 3080Ti, which I RMA'd with no issues, and our local retailer "Wootware" here in SA is honestly a 10/10 with their support.
I wouldn't say their coolers are anything special. Mine gets around 65c max, which is higher than most of the bigger brands, but memory temps are really good, though, and it's running pretty well overall.
It looks pretty good though, but no RGB, which is fine with me at the price I paid.
On the topic of DSR, it's a god send when replaying older games. The higher resolution generally works better than AA while performing pretty well, especially DLDSR.
On the features front, I played a few games with DLSS+FG and I'm slowly being converted into a believer, but I don't care much for RT tbh, I will take the highest resolution I can get as close to 120fps as I can, if I can I might even push for 140+ at something resembling 4k on my ultrawide screen even if I have to play with optimised settings.
Nice Rig Bro!
@@phathumulidzwi5631 Cheers! I hope that you are having a nice weekend!
Certainly not in everything. But at least a 4080 is needed to play some latest games on max in 4K, for example Helldivers 2 will not run 60FPS in 4K on Ultra settings even in high quality DLSS setting, not even on a 4080.
Yupp. Some games require a 4090 for maxxing out in 4k. As a gamer you have to ask yourself which games do you enjoy playing,how do you enjoy playing them and how much are you willing to spend.
For example, if I was mainly playing competative FPS titles I would be happy with a £600-800 as they are designed for a lowest common denominator.
My PC cost £1,600. Would spending three times that amount on a 4090 and 7800x3D rig make the games that I play more enjoyable? No.
good job brother!
@@NurrJaber Thanks. Are you a PC gamer as well?
@@HonestHans365 yes 👍
@@NurrJaber Any upgrades or modifications planned? :)
@@HonestHans365 I just built a 12900k with a 4080 super about 4 months ago. I plan to use that for the next 3-4 years
@@NurrJaber Nice! Have you under voltes either to keep temps low?
I have an RTX 4090 desktop, it is such overkill that i decided to get a traveler laptop with a 4080 (4070 Super desktop equivalent ) instead of a 4090 (4080 desktop equivalent).
I am able to game all games at 4k, sometimes i do upscale from 1440p which makes it look close to 4k with all the same features i use at 4k on my desktop 4090. Games like Cyberpunk with Pathtracing etc
@@ehenningsen A 4090 is worth it if you are clear on why you need it. For example ray tracing I am not super fussed about it. I have tried in several games on and off. Sometimes I can't see the difference.
When I can see the difference it's not signifigant enough to warrant the big frame rate drop. Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk look as good with Ray tracing as they do without. Games that look aweful without ray tracing looks aweful with it. Either way when I am in combat I am too focused on slaying than assessing reflection.
The same is true for me when comparing ultra setting with very high. You can dial down ultra a bit here and there, enjoy and increase in FPS with little loss in visual eye candy. Ultra setting can be pretty but more often than not it's for benchmarking rather than a must.
@@HonestHans365Why bother with an Nvidia GPU if you're not enthused about their extra features?
@@masterbuilder0018 If ai features for productivity aren't of interest then a 7900XTX is a superior purchase to the 4070ti super - especially now that the amd card can be found at a generous discount.
Kinda glad i came across this video on my home page. Been deciding between a 4070 Super or a 4080 Super. I only play triple A single player games 4K but not at max settings. Just wondering if a 4070 Super will get the job done? My goal is to at least hit 4K60FPS on most titles. I’m not sure if i want a 4070Ti Super because it’s way too close in price to the 4080 Super (The FE, at least) IMO.
Watercoling with an AIO is not worth it. I had an 360 AIO and switched to an Noctua NH-U12A and the difference between my old Fractal Celcius 360 AIO and the new Noctua is negligible. My oced 5600x runs as cool with the Noctua as it did with the 360 AIO. Maybe 1 or 2 degree different but nothing to worry about. The system is a bit quieter now because my 3080 gets a bit more fresh air which keeps the fan rpm ~100-150rpm lower. You can hear the difference but can't feel it in everyday tasks.
On the Noctua cooler i use the offset mount which helps to get the most out of it. Thermalpaste is from Thermal Grizzly like before.
What’s the power consumption of your 3080 during gaming? Have you considered overclocking it?
Earlier this year I tried two AIOs: Fractal Celsius 360 and ID-COOLING DASHFLOW 280. I returned both. Both produced pump noise or the fans ran a bit louder than I expected. Meanwhile the AK620 is mechanically much simpler. You don’t need to worry about whether it’s the fans, radiator or pump that are faulty. However if your case can’t accommodate a big cooler than an aio might be neccessary.
I might upgrade to a Noctua NH D15 G2 or a Thermalright equivalent with 140mm fans. However my 5800x3d runs cool and doesn’t need overclocking.
@@HonestHans365 normal power consumptions is 350-380W, depends on the game. With undervolting it is ~300W with only 40MHz frequency loss on the core but +1000MHz on the memory. Runs stable for over 2 years now. 300W is a lot for the FTW3 cooler. In my opinion the cooler is to small for that amount of power. I like the big coolers the newer 4xxx series cards have. I hope the 5xxx series will get the same coolersize but way better pricing :D
As long as you stick with the 5800X3D i think a better cooler is a waste of money.
My singletower NH-U12A can easily tame the ~140W of my oced 5600X. The CPU never get over 80°C. Your cooler should have a bit more headroom compared to mine.
@@iPain3G 350-380watts? lol I had no idea how efficient the 4000series are. My 4070ti super consumer 94-120watts during 4k gaming with DLSS. The highest consumption I have seen is around 160watts with ray tracing in miles morales or cyperpunk. I have under volted both the gpu and cpu so that they run cooler and quieter. During idle or browsing the gpu fans aren’t even spinning. The U12a is a beast. Impressive that it can cool a 140watt cpu.
4070 to 4070ti super is a waste of an upgrade you legit spent $800 for a 20-30% increase
I sold my 4070 and play with dlss and frame gen. 20-30% increase above 165 or 240fps might not be as material. However below 120 the jump is very noticeable.
Now I can use ray tracing and play above 60 versus 30-50. Without ray racing 90-120fps feels smoother than 70-90. For games that don't have ai upscaling the ti super is much stronger compared with the 4070 that can struggle pushing native 4k.
If the difference wasn't noticeable I would have returned the ti super.
4090 is nearly 35-40% faster then the 4080 in native 4k titles with heavy RT, the 4070ti super is marginally faster then a 3090ti just isn’t worth it, 4090 is 50-60% faster then 4070ti super
The 4090 is an absolute beast! It's wild that the 5090 is rumoured to be 50-70% superior but with 500watt energy consumption 😂 I look forward to watching it run Frontiers of Pandora as if it's an Indien game.
Hey what you’re cpu temps during gaming? I thought the 5800x3d required an AIO you got the same setup I’m I would love to upgrade to from an ryzen 5 3600/2060 super also is 4K actually playable? I’m mostly a moba player but I do like to sit up on a 4K TV for casual gaming! Are you really enjoying the 4K output I’m not expecting to max out but if it smooth gaming I’ll be happy. I just plan on having my main setup 2K for since I’m more competitive
@@lightest2385 5800x3D is a brilliant gaming CPU. I’m glad that I chose it. It powerful but doesn’t run necessarily hot which leads high noise.These are the temps with the glass panel on the case: idle/youtube = 33-37C. Gaming: 45-57C. Honestly, it doesn’t need an AIO at all and can be cooled with a bang for buck Peerless Assassin.
4k is enjoyable. 55-60fps at very high settings and ray tracing for demanding titles like Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2. Without ray tracing I achieve 70-120fps in most titles at very high settings.
You title and reasoning is all wrong. Any gpu can play 4K. Even 6 year old gpu. Seeing that you dont even have a monitor and use a TV you will never get over 120fps even with the best tv. The better the gpu the more frames per second you get. that why the 4090 it twice the price of the gpu you have. It has way more power and it fps lows would be way better in any game. My recommendation is to get a dedicated gaming monitor before you get anything else. You cant game seriously on a TV/ Hers a video to help you.
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@@kasarnfla The reason why I made the video is because the reoccuring rethoric online is:
4060: 1080p
4070: 1440p
4080/4090: 4k
When I bought the pc I was clueless about dlss and frame gen. With those features switched on, no ray tracing and see tings dialed down from ultra, you can enjoy a good 4k experience even with a 4070.
The definition of good is entirely personal and dependent on which games you play. For some it's min 240fps and others it's all setting maxed out.
I have bought a gaming monitor because I am spoilt by my TV. 4k with dolby vision. It makes monitors that are not oled and look washed out. In fact dolby vision makes a bigger visual difference than Ray tracing. Furthermore I have a surround system with rear speakers hooked to my TV. Dolby atmos works really well through the PC.
I only have space for a 24-26 monitor. I haven't come across oled ones in that size. Oled monitors are currently either too large or too expensive.
hell nah are you a doctor or some sh where you getting the money
@@lemonke5341 Hello! I am a vegetarian. Less money spent on meat and cooking it, more spent on other things. I also don’t go to clubs or bars. Believe it or not but I buy the majority of my belonging at discount. Hardly anything in my home was paid for at full price.
Owning a good graphics card is not something you need to be rich for. Just don't waste your money on other stuff if gaming is your hobby. I also own a 4070 ti super and I'm on social support due to health reasons here in germany. If I'd work minimum wage job I'd have 500€ more a month than now and would already have a 4090. Also I bought mine with paypal monthly rates at 0% interest rate. I pay 40€ a month, sold my 3070 ti for 350€ and soon will own my 4070 ti super fully. Probably will upgrade to 5070 ti next autumn.
@@williehrmann Get well soon! I have only been to Germany once and it was for the Frankfurt autoshow. I will likely stick with the 4070ti Super until GTA6 comes out and then find out which GPU, whether Nvidia or AMD offers the best performance value for it.
Yes 4090 is not for 4k it's for 8k
nice video..I went from 1080tistrix 4790k 1080p to 7800x3d and rtx 4070ti super strix OC for 2k
@@Snaplexity was that 2k for an entire computer built around that gpu and cpu? If yes, faaaaab price.
@@HonestHans365 no i meant 2k resolution gaming.video editing..but yea ive spent in my country for all i went gskill ripjaws 2x 16gb 6000mhz cl30 ram.b 650E E strix mobo..750w igold 80+ coolermaster psu..rtx strix 4070tisuper oc ..ryzen 7 7800x3d..m2 nvme 1tb ssd. and thermaltake view 270tg case..
.and it was around 2k euros all
@@SnaplexityThat is an utterly cracking price. Any reason why you chose 32gb instead of 16gb? Strix gpus are the best. I couldn't afford to financially to one. My msi gpu is fine. The only game that produce coil whine is miles morsles when v sync is off. However thet game suffers screen tearing too which I need to figure out how to resolve. Excellent choice of case. It has excellent airflow. I replaced the fans on my deepcool ak620 digital with thermal take rgb fan. Paid €15/£12gb for three. Nice things at nice prices. Just the way I like it.
@@HonestHans365 Idk I want it to be like more future proof .16gb is like a standard now for most demanding games but since tech is progressing so fast and editing and gaming eats more ,thats why mostly.. yea it is cracking price but I didnt change my setup since 2014 and it served me great on 1080p (changed only from 970 gtx to strix gtx 1080ti oc) .nice and 15e for three? damn...iam from croatia and rgb fans for thermaltake are around 19euros each..damn nice! and you have nice case backthere
@@Snaplexity I have 16GB but might do a cheeky 32gb upgrade and overclocking for gta6 when it’s available on pc in 2026-2027. Does your set up run eleven ring without issues or do you wish you had a more powerful GPU?
That CPU cooler looks badass
Thanks! What's your PC setup?
@@HonestHans365 I’m trying to slowly upgrade my PC
I7-8700k
ROG Strix 370-E
Corsair Vengeance 16GB 3600mhz DDR4
Asus TUF gaming OC 4070Ti Super
Corsair RM850x
be quiet! Pure base 500 FX ATX
Thats your opinion but the truth is you need a 4080 for modern games such as Alan Wake,Avator pandora,resident evil remake etc etc on maximum preset to play at 1440...am saying this bcoz i have 4070 super and how i suffer i know very well😏
@@Iconic11111 Not even the 4080 is sufficient for maximing out Alan Wake 2 and Frontiers of Pandora. At 4k max settings you can expect 50-58fps with a 4080. Those titles need an overclocked 4090.
Went from 4070 to 4080 Super to 4070 TI super
All between January till now
4070 Ti super is the best for 1440p gaming
@@willy7968 at what frame rate do you play at? Why downgrade from 4080 super to 4070ti super?
@@HonestHans365 I play majorly warzone and cod multiplayer.
I have a 144hz quad HD monitor which I’m not ready to upgrade.
For Warzone at Ultra settings, I get 195fps on 4080 super and 170 fps on the 4070 TI super.
I got a good deal to sell the 4080 super so I didn’t hesitate cos it’s too much for my monitor, if I had to 120fps 4k monitor,, wouldn’t have sold it
@@willy7968 That's the benefit of Nvidia GPU. They have strong resale value. I have never played above 120fps. My PC is used with the LG C1 which is capped at 120fps. Because I don't play competative fps games any longer, I'm unlikely to buy a PC monitor anytime soon.
@@HonestHans365 Yeah u are right, in my country, a lot prefer NVIDIA cos of productivity capabilities ahead of AMD GPU
@@willy7968 LLMs/AI is labour and energy like electricity. The gap between Nvidia and AMD will only grow as I expect Microsoft, adobe, sap and other suites of tools to soon have native GenAI for Nvidia GPUs.
does that CPU cooler have a screen on it?!?!?! i need that. what socket/CPU is that?
@@pwnomega4562 Yes it has a display. It's a Deepcool AK620 Digital