You guys have to be honest about this if you want your channel here to have integrity. The bashing of Tamplin did not start with the Wings of Pegasus vocal analysis. It started with the abject dishonesty that Tamplin displayed in his reaction to this objective analysis.
@elizabeth, the point we are making is, Ken is a professional level singer who has dedicated his life to getting better. In theory his teaching has helped some people get better (I was not helped by his course). I don't deny he is low on the likability scale for many.
Right on. He admitted to using backing tracks but what he fails to acknowledge that as a vocal teacher he should not have been using them to sub for the parts he couldn't sing. If he can't perform those higher notes anymore then either lower the key or don't bother, but don't claim to teach something you can't do. I'll even give other professional singers a pass on that one (straight out miming throughout the whole song however, no).
@@kellywendlandt3940 Yes, i understand your point. And, this is not about likeability. At least, not for me. It's about being honest and transparent about what is happening and not trying to deceive people about what is happening. My comment here was simply to note that Fil is not a party to the bashing of Tamplin. Which I know you agree with but people watching THIS video might have gotten the impression that Fil was aiming to bash Tamplin and that couldn't be further from the truth! Hope this channel will join the effort to save authentic music from oblivion and get on board with Fil's side project when it is announced!
I assure you sir, we are full of integrity. We call the channel tregrity farms behind closed doors. And furthermore I don’t think we impugned the integrity of wings of Pegasus. We like that guy.
The reason why people keep bashing Ken is because he refuses to admit what was proven, that he was lip syncing the higher notes during his recent concert. Because he refuses to admit it, people have found other things to criticize him about, such as also lip syncing during his UA-cam videos, deleting every negative comment on his videos, and there is also proof that he has paid to increase the number of subscribers to his channel. If he had just admitted that he was lip syncing parts of the concert, then the attacks would most likely have stopped. But Ken doesn't want to admit it because his motto is "The proof is in the singing," so he can't admit it without looking like a huge hypocrite. It seems pretty obvious that his singing style puts a lot of strain on his vocal chords and he can't reach those high notes consistently, especially during a full concert. I'm sure that his singing during his videos has been recorded in different parts because he can't reach all of those high notes during a single take. Perhaps he was able to do that 30 years ago, but not anymore. By the way, the guy on the right was wearing a nice shirt.
Pretty sweet habs shirt right… I have not been a following KT closely enough to know about the live stuff he does…..I realize guys like steve Perry will never be running tape but perhaps tampdog does…..it’ll be interesting to see how he addresses it because there seems to be a growing movement on UA-cam calling him out!
@@lancewendlandt3384 The Wings of Pegasus channel already proved that he was lip syncing the higher notes during his recent concert and that he lip syncs in his UA-cam videos. I don't expect Ken to change his tune (pun intended) regarding his denials, unless his business gets so badly affected by this that he has no choice but to take a different approach.
Canadians! Montreal, I think what you are saying makes a lot of sense. Most people (me), prefer a more humble approach. If you need to run tape of use Melodyne, then own up to it. I can say we definitely do, and if you listed to the song I posted in the description, that is lip synched (poorly )and we use Melodyne.
@@montrealsports29 I assume he is running it through Melodyne and then all the other "standard" studio stuff we see in his background-but I could be wrong on that of course.
Ken faked (vocal AND guitar), lied about it, then assassinated Fils' character and ethics trying to deny it. Fil is ethical; Ken is unethical. Fil didn't pass judgement on Ken, he simply showed what he did, what he was asked to analyze and said "I wouldn't do that". Nothing anyone says can change that. Ken caused his own controversy, and his defensiveness in the face of simple, honest fact is pathetic, which I would say even if I liked him as a performer. This whole saga was disgraceful to begin with, starting with Ken, who just kept making it worse. Really distasteful and sickening. Sad that you guys are doing it too.
Albert, we are not Ken Tamplin fans, but we do think he is a professional level singer and the internet is over-reacting. People love to hate these days, and my brother and I like to defend those that are unpopular. It's really nothing more than that.
@@kellywendlandt3940 Obviously he can sing, but better than Dio, Freddie Mercury and just about everybody else he has covered? It's the lies he tells. Even saying he is performing completely live in concert when he clearly isn't and hasn't for years. 1 million subs, mostly bought at 10,000 a month and fraudulently claiming it's his supporters. Deleting comments on YT that don't praise him. If he had come clean with Wings of Pegasus instead of that disgusting rebuttal, none of this would be happening. He overreacted and is still getting what he deserves.
@@kellywendlandt3940 Fil's channel is playback pre recorded, he was miming guitar on live tv. KT has done some great recording projects: Joshua Surrender 1986 one of my favourite albums.
The issue is that artists should be upfront about the fact that they are using technology to improve their vocals, not using the training that he sells.
I agree with that part of it Mike. Honesty is the right policy. It just seems like the internet is piling on Tamp-Dogg, and he's an easy target now. And so my brother and I thought we should put a defense out!: )
Then nobody would buy his course. They would just use the same tricks. So he can't say that. Remember his tagline is: "the proof is in the singing", not in the processors lol.
Condolences on wasting your $ on the Tamplin stuff. :) I like Eli, though. Good guy. Tamplin... not so much. Groping his students and confusing them and misguiding them and taking advantage of them for views and I could go on but there's nothing you could present as any defense for any of that. Oh, did I mention miming for decades in front of live audiences and in all his YT covers? yeah, there's that. He's just a disingenuous, arrogant, narcissist, scammer. Now back to the defense....
What are your thoughts on the fact that Don Henley is now miming to pre-recorded vocals that have been pitch corrected? What can we do to save real music from oblivion?
@@lancewendlandt3384 So, how do you feel about the REAL issue at hand? Which is to say the current music industry standard operating procedure of retroactively and/or posthumously destroying the voices of singers we have loved and connected with for decades when their albums are re-released or officially uploaded anew to UA-cam and other digital platforms and streaming services by applying pitch "correction" and/or autotuning to their beautiful natural voices? Please don't tell me you are okay with that!
Ken doesn't naturally sing at a higher pitch. He repeatedly states that in his course (I'm one of his students). Lip singing higher notes is a great way to protect his voice if he's doing that. I have seen great progress in my voice while learning from him and I'll continue to support him. At least he hasn't actually harmed anyone and is a wonderful person.
I like Ken Tamplin. I amastudent of the Vocal Academy. I like how he will tell about the course he isteaching and backsit upwith hisown vocal. You can talk all you want.Can you backit up?
@@kellywendlandt3940 This was my channel description before I deleted over 200 videos of my playing guitar and singing. "Hi I'm Kevin. This channel is dedicated to playing as many types of music as my limited skills will allow. Here you will find original songs as well as cover songs. The covers are presented for educational and enjoyment purposes only. I'm glad you came to visit and hope you enjoy the music. I belt out my tunes with a wild rebel yell, and with total disregard for anyone who might be suffering under the squealing, wretched, hellish, and tonally impaired music that I inflict on others. You’ve been warned!" One guy commented "you are a red faced, talentless old man who should die soon". My response to him was "Is that you dad"? Thanks for not taking my subtle (and immature) dig at you guys personally.
He sings song that aren't right for his voice. Most of the songs he has done were really not that good. I will admit there are a few that he sounded pretty good.
Contrary to popular belief, the voice should not lose range/power with age. If you are singing with healthy vocal technique, there is no reason your voice should deteriorate. It may change as collagen builds up and alters your physiology, but vocal damage/strain is what leads to difficulty. The fact that he has to lip synch at all while healthy proves he knows jack shit. Some people are born with more access to the CT muscles so they can get really high pitched, powerful screams. Without proper technique though, our natural biological instinct to close up our throats/strain will inevitably cause nodules and other issues. If you really want to learn proper vocal pedagogy, look into opera singers. They have to cut through classical operas without a mic for hours sometimes. It’s possible to sustain your voice if you do it properly.
@@slatercarpenter6090 I’m gonna disagree. Everything in your body loses power when you age. Throw on years of screaming over shitty monitors, ect, lack of “being Steve Perry”, and singing high is tough. Pavarotti wasn’t singing high C’s all night long.
High notes with proper support/head resonance should feel like a controlled exhale. They should be easy cuz they require less air, more air pressure, and more stretched vocal folds. This combination should not be harmful. Jeff Buckley and Myles Kennedy are great examples here imo, just listen to Grace by Jeff Buckley. Myles arguably sings better now in his 50s than his 20s. Pavarotti may not have been singing super high all night, but he was cutting through the opera enough to be more than heard during the duration of his performances. All that being said. Obviously there is a limit to this, I just think the limit is higher. Think about how many grandads walk around with thick boomy voices.
Tell Geoff Tate, Rob Halford, Bon Jovi...with age the transport muscles lose flexibility and guys loose their top range. KT has a ton on free content and has done some great musical projects since the 80's. Most of these bashers are just here for clicks for their own channels.
There is nothing wrong with saying that "as I age I have to rely on technology to provide a couple of the things that I used to do easily in my youth". Honest individuals will give you far more fan points for your honesty than you will lose to cretins who think that you are less of a performer because of the natural progression of the aging process. There is much wrong with lying about it and saying that the video did not contain vocal content that was taken from older recordings. It makes you appear dishonest. Magicians are not criticized for dishonesty because we agree to suspend our expectations of honesty and a lot of the fun of watching magic is trying to spot the dishonesty.. Musicians are not expected to be dishonest because if detecting the fakery becomes part of the experience, it seriously detracts from immersing yourself in the music.. There are times when it is reasonable for technological assists to be used (such as an aging vocalist or a massive concert extravaganza involving continuous physical exertion, etc.), and when used it is important to be up front about it. Everyone can relax and get on with enjoying the music.
I personally have not taken any vocal lessons training, my cousin is in a band took the KTVA course and he said it helped him a lot with his singing voice.
With the new spate of Ken Tamplin 'hate' vids out, looks like a feeding frenzy. this is probably making him more famous than he ever would've been w/out all the 'hate' hype. kinda like when John Lennon said The Beatles were bigger than Jesus - people around the world went nuts and The Beatles were on every news report, TV shows, newspapers, magazines, etc., kids started burning Beatles albums, which after it was over they went out and re-purchased those albums, making The Beatles richer and more famous than they were before. this kind of crap always backfires on the public 🙃
KT is NOT a good singer, OMG. It blows my mind how many people still defend KT as if he is actually a great singer. He is subpar, and mediocre at the very least. I called out that guy a decade ago but its good to see people starting to see what a fake and fraud he actually is. He bashes on vocal greats like, Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury amd even claimed to sing better than them. He acts as if his vocals are so great when he demonstrates it and he's really just belting out notes like some drunk guy at a party. I don't think people should stop bashing on him, what really needs to stop is the enabling of an absolute fraud by even giving him any credit to his attempt at singing. He is NOT a high end singer period.
A mi me sirvio mucho el curso de Ken, yo practico mucho, 2hs por dia y eso hace la diferencia. Generalmente las personas practican muy poco y abandonan en algunos meses o semanas, pero asi no se consigue nada, la transformación lleva algunos años, pero no todo el mundo tiene la paciencia para entrenar a largo plazo.
I don’t really think KT is doing his studio covers in one take. He either lip syncs to pre-recorded studio tracks of his own voice in which multiple takes were done, or he does try and sing it while the video recorder is rolling, but uses switching of camera angles to make the jump cuts less obvious, AND he likely does lots of audio punch-ins afterward to fix mistakes, and redo the high parts, etc. I don’t think he is any “one take wonder”.
You guys have to be honest about this if you want your channel here to have integrity. The bashing of Tamplin did not start with the Wings of Pegasus vocal analysis. It started with the abject dishonesty that Tamplin displayed in his reaction to this objective analysis.
@elizabeth, the point we are making is, Ken is a professional level singer who has dedicated his life to getting better. In theory his teaching has helped some people get better (I was not helped by his course). I don't deny he is low on the likability scale for many.
Right on. He admitted to using backing tracks but what he fails to acknowledge that as a vocal teacher he should not have been using them to sub for the parts he couldn't sing. If he can't perform those higher notes anymore then either lower the key or don't bother, but don't claim to teach something you can't do. I'll even give other professional singers a pass on that one (straight out miming throughout the whole song however, no).
@@kellywendlandt3940 Yes, i understand your point. And, this is not about likeability. At least, not for me. It's about being honest and transparent about what is happening and not trying to deceive people about what is happening.
My comment here was simply to note that Fil is not a party to the bashing of Tamplin. Which I know you agree with but people watching THIS video might have gotten the impression that Fil was aiming to bash Tamplin and that couldn't be further from the truth!
Hope this channel will join the effort to save authentic music from oblivion and get on board with Fil's side project when it is announced!
I assure you sir, we are full of integrity. We call the channel tregrity farms behind closed doors. And furthermore I don’t think we impugned the integrity of wings of Pegasus. We like that guy.
@@lancewendlandt3384 That's a South Park reference for those of you who can't read Lance's mind.
The reason why people keep bashing Ken is because he refuses to admit what was proven, that he was lip syncing the higher notes during his recent concert. Because he refuses to admit it, people have found other things to criticize him about, such as also lip syncing during his UA-cam videos, deleting every negative comment on his videos, and there is also proof that he has paid to increase the number of subscribers to his channel. If he had just admitted that he was lip syncing parts of the concert, then the attacks would most likely have stopped.
But Ken doesn't want to admit it because his motto is "The proof is in the singing," so he can't admit it without looking like a huge hypocrite. It seems pretty obvious that his singing style puts a lot of strain on his vocal chords and he can't reach those high notes consistently, especially during a full concert. I'm sure that his singing during his videos has been recorded in different parts because he can't reach all of those high notes during a single take. Perhaps he was able to do that 30 years ago, but not anymore. By the way, the guy on the right was wearing a nice shirt.
Pretty sweet habs shirt right… I have not been a following KT closely enough to know about the live stuff he does…..I realize guys like steve Perry will never be running tape but perhaps tampdog does…..it’ll be interesting to see how he addresses it because there seems to be a growing movement on UA-cam calling him out!
@@lancewendlandt3384 The Wings of Pegasus channel already proved that he was lip syncing the higher notes during his recent concert and that he lip syncs in his UA-cam videos. I don't expect Ken to change his tune (pun intended) regarding his denials, unless his business gets so badly affected by this that he has no choice but to take a different approach.
Canadians! Montreal, I think what you are saying makes a lot of sense. Most people (me), prefer a more humble approach. If you need to run tape of use Melodyne, then own up to it. I can say we definitely do, and if you listed to the song I posted in the description, that is lip synched (poorly )and we use Melodyne.
@@kellywendlandt3940 I wasn't even thinking about him using any technology to alter his voice, but he's probably doing that, too.
@@montrealsports29 I assume he is running it through Melodyne and then all the other "standard" studio stuff we see in his background-but I could be wrong on that of course.
Ken faked (vocal AND guitar), lied about it, then assassinated Fils' character and ethics trying to deny it. Fil is ethical; Ken is unethical. Fil didn't pass judgement on Ken, he simply showed what he did, what he was asked to analyze and said "I wouldn't do that". Nothing anyone says can change that. Ken caused his own controversy, and his defensiveness in the face of simple, honest fact is pathetic, which I would say even if I liked him as a performer. This whole saga was disgraceful to begin with, starting with Ken, who just kept making it worse. Really distasteful and sickening. Sad that you guys are doing it too.
Albert, we are not Ken Tamplin fans, but we do think he is a professional level singer and the internet is over-reacting. People love to hate these days, and my brother and I like to defend those that are unpopular. It's really nothing more than that.
@@kellywendlandt3940 Obviously he can sing, but better than Dio, Freddie Mercury and just about everybody else he has covered? It's the lies he tells. Even saying he is performing completely live in concert when he clearly isn't and hasn't for years. 1 million subs, mostly bought at 10,000 a month and fraudulently claiming it's his supporters. Deleting comments on YT that don't praise him. If he had come clean with Wings of Pegasus instead of that disgusting rebuttal, none of this would be happening. He overreacted and is still getting what he deserves.
@@kellywendlandt3940 Fil's channel is playback pre recorded, he was miming guitar on live tv. KT has done some great recording projects: Joshua Surrender 1986 one of my favourite albums.
The issue is that artists should be upfront about the fact that they are using technology to improve their vocals, not using the training that he sells.
I agree with that part of it Mike. Honesty is the right policy. It just seems like the internet is piling on Tamp-Dogg, and he's an easy target now. And so my brother and I thought we should put a defense out!: )
Then nobody would buy his course. They would just use the same tricks. So he can't say that. Remember his tagline is: "the proof is in the singing", not in the processors lol.
“Don’t we all have “dirty little secrets” thou?
Condolences on wasting your $ on the Tamplin stuff. :) I like Eli, though. Good guy. Tamplin... not so much. Groping his students and confusing them and misguiding them and taking advantage of them for views and I could go on but there's nothing you could present as any defense for any of that. Oh, did I mention miming for decades in front of live audiences and in all his YT covers? yeah, there's that. He's just a disingenuous, arrogant, narcissist, scammer. Now back to the defense....
Eli Prinson is the real deal. A really good singer and very good vocal coach, who cares about his students success.
What are your thoughts on the fact that Don Henley is now miming to pre-recorded vocals that have been pitch corrected? What can we do to save real music from oblivion?
@@elizabethmiller7291
Let me quote some very wise men when they said “all of this machinery making modern music can still be openhearted”
Now Don Henley is just an old man making some cash because he can. But we saw him live six years ago and he wasn’t running tape then.
@@lancewendlandt3384 So, how do you feel about the REAL issue at hand? Which is to say the current music industry standard operating procedure of retroactively and/or posthumously destroying the voices of singers we have loved and connected with for decades when their albums are re-released or officially uploaded anew to UA-cam and other digital platforms and streaming services by applying pitch "correction" and/or autotuning to their beautiful natural voices? Please don't tell me you are okay with that!
Ken doesn't naturally sing at a higher pitch. He repeatedly states that in his course (I'm one of his students). Lip singing higher notes is a great way to protect his voice if he's doing that. I have seen great progress in my voice while learning from him and I'll continue to support him. At least he hasn't actually harmed anyone and is a wonderful person.
I like Ken Tamplin. I amastudent of the Vocal Academy. I like how he will tell about the course he isteaching and backsit upwith hisown vocal. You can talk all you want.Can you backit up?
Ken is the real deal haters will hate
I predict that you guys will rocket to 80 subs in no time.
Kevin, that would significantly exceed our goals! I laughed out load when I read your post-that's a very solid dig. Subtle but on-point.
@@kellywendlandt3940 This was my channel description before I deleted over 200 videos of my playing guitar and singing.
"Hi I'm Kevin. This channel is dedicated to playing as many types of music as my limited skills will allow. Here you will find original songs as well as cover songs. The covers are presented for educational and enjoyment purposes only. I'm glad you came to visit and hope you enjoy the music. I belt out my tunes with a wild rebel yell, and with total disregard for anyone who might be suffering under the squealing, wretched, hellish, and tonally impaired music that I inflict on others. You’ve been warned!"
One guy commented "you are a red faced, talentless old man who should die soon". My response to him was "Is that you dad"? Thanks for not taking my subtle (and immature) dig at you guys personally.
@@KevinORourke25
Thank you for believing in us!
He sings song that aren't right for his voice. Most of the songs he has done were really not that good. I will admit there are a few that he sounded pretty good.
Contrary to popular belief, the voice should not lose range/power with age. If you are singing with healthy vocal technique, there is no reason your voice should deteriorate. It may change as collagen builds up and alters your physiology, but vocal damage/strain is what leads to difficulty. The fact that he has to lip synch at all while healthy proves he knows jack shit. Some people are born with more access to the CT muscles so they can get really high pitched, powerful screams. Without proper technique though, our natural biological instinct to close up our throats/strain will inevitably cause nodules and other issues. If you really want to learn proper vocal pedagogy, look into opera singers. They have to cut through classical operas without a mic for hours sometimes. It’s possible to sustain your voice if you do it properly.
Ken tamplin utiliza el bell canto de opera a mi me sirvió mucho.
@@slatercarpenter6090
I’m gonna disagree. Everything in your body loses power when you age.
Throw on years of screaming over shitty monitors, ect, lack of “being Steve Perry”, and singing high is tough.
Pavarotti wasn’t singing high C’s all night long.
High notes with proper support/head resonance should feel like a controlled exhale. They should be easy cuz they require less air, more air pressure, and more stretched vocal folds. This combination should not be harmful. Jeff Buckley and Myles Kennedy are great examples here imo, just listen to Grace by Jeff Buckley. Myles arguably sings better now in his 50s than his 20s.
Pavarotti may not have been singing super high all night, but he was cutting through the opera enough to be more than heard during the duration of his performances.
All that being said. Obviously there is a limit to this, I just think the limit is higher. Think about how many grandads walk around with thick boomy voices.
Tell Geoff Tate, Rob Halford, Bon Jovi...with age the transport muscles lose flexibility and guys loose their top range. KT has a ton on free content and has done some great musical projects since the 80's.
Most of these bashers are just here for clicks for their own channels.
There is nothing wrong with saying that "as I age I have to rely on technology to provide a couple of the things that I used to do easily in my youth". Honest individuals will give you far more fan points for your honesty than you will lose to cretins who think that you are less of a performer because of the natural progression of the aging process. There is much wrong with lying about it and saying that the video did not contain vocal content that was taken from older recordings. It makes you appear dishonest. Magicians are not criticized for dishonesty because we agree to suspend our expectations of honesty and a lot of the fun of watching magic is trying to spot the dishonesty.. Musicians are not expected to be dishonest because if detecting the fakery becomes part of the experience, it seriously detracts from immersing yourself in the music.. There are times when it is reasonable for technological assists to be used (such as an aging vocalist or a massive concert extravaganza involving continuous physical exertion, etc.), and when used it is important to be up front about it. Everyone can relax and get on with enjoying the music.
Good points Philip. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I personally have not taken any vocal lessons training, my cousin is in a band took the KTVA course and he said it helped him a lot with his singing voice.
What song sounded good when he sang it?
I think he does the foreigner stuff great.
Very tough songs.
2 things
1) I meant to say that monitoring was way better when we were all analog so your kinda forced to melodyne
2). “Leave Britany alone”.
With the new spate of Ken Tamplin 'hate' vids out, looks like a feeding frenzy. this is probably making him more famous than he ever would've been w/out all the 'hate' hype. kinda like when John Lennon said The Beatles were bigger than Jesus - people around the world went nuts and The Beatles were on every news report, TV shows, newspapers, magazines, etc., kids started burning Beatles albums, which after it was over they went out and re-purchased those albums, making The Beatles richer and more famous than they were before. this kind of crap always backfires on the public 🙃
KT is NOT a good singer, OMG. It blows my mind how many people still defend KT as if he is actually a great singer. He is subpar, and mediocre at the very least. I called out that guy a decade ago but its good to see people starting to see what a fake and fraud he actually is. He bashes on vocal greats like, Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury amd even claimed to sing better than them. He acts as if his vocals are so great when he demonstrates it and he's really just belting out notes like some drunk guy at a party. I don't think people should stop bashing on him, what really needs to stop is the enabling of an absolute fraud by even giving him any credit to his attempt at singing. He is NOT a high end singer period.
A mi me sirvio mucho el curso de Ken, yo practico mucho, 2hs por dia y eso hace la diferencia. Generalmente las personas practican muy poco y abandonan en algunos meses o semanas, pero asi no se consigue nada, la transformación lleva algunos años, pero no todo el mundo tiene la paciencia para entrenar a largo plazo.
It's Lou Gramm, not Graham, btw.
Ken Tamperin’ ( with his voice)
I laughed when I read your comment detroit! Thank you for taking time to listen to our content.
@ Great video guys. Go Canadiens! Bring back Pierre Mondou!!!
I don’t really think KT is doing his studio covers in one take. He either lip syncs to pre-recorded studio tracks of his own voice in which multiple takes were done, or he does try and sing it while the video recorder is rolling, but uses switching of camera angles to make the jump cuts less obvious, AND he likely does lots of audio punch-ins afterward to fix mistakes, and redo the high parts, etc. I don’t think he is any “one take wonder”.
i am seeing comments mentioning that he faked some note which is not even present on the guitar that he was supposedly playing. 😂
Don’t worry Lance, if you say something wrong you can just insist it was Kelly 👯
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