The DANGERS Of Talking While Bluffing
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2018
- Garrett Adelstein is becoming a regular fixture on these high stakes poker cash game streams, and it's easy to see why. In this $50/$100 No Limit Hold'em hand from Live at the Bike, he's up against Buzz, who has made a rather unorthodox bluff. To complicate things further, Buzz is being quite chatty on the river, and Garrett smells a rat. Sometimes it's best to just let your cards do the talking.
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chips shuffling skills: Over 9000.
Bluffing on the river skills: Negative 5
Lol, at first I read this as "Bluffing on the river skills: Negreanu"
LOL me be like backwards
Buzz tries *bluffing the river*
It isn't very effective
I swear his chips shuffling skills were insane, I was looking at it like wtf how did he do that and even played the video at 0.25 speed to be able to see it better HAHA
@@laurasanchez7105 saaame. I'm gonna invest in some chips and get my practice on
You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information.
Can't be all loosey goosey, eatin a sandwich or being on your phone
Quite possibly the best comment in the last 6 mins
lmao :D@@drewfrizz
cant stand that commercial!🤣
you will have over 500likes in a couple weeks. congratulations
I know that Doug has no control over the ads that run before his vids but I love the Daniel Negreanu poker "Masterclass" ad. hahaha classic.
It is pretty funny.
Doug getting royalties from those Ad's by his friend Daniel... :D
Which means MC/Daniel is paying Doug.
I have to mute it as it and he annoys me so much..
I use adblocker 😎
If I am bluffing or going for value on the river, I always follow one rule. Do the opposite of what your opponent wants; stare blankly at the felt and STFU.
I'm the type of guy who just completely shuts up if I'm in a hand, especially when talking to other people in the hand. Don't need to balance your table talk tells if you don't table talk during the hand.
Do what Dwan did when he bluffed, open mouth, tilting head. 😂
I just stare at the person making the bet. To intimidate there soul
oTHEWACKERo Gaming staring always means weakness. Lol
I swear when I get a monster I definitely should do the stare.
If Garrett could only read people this good on survivor
Ik I recognized this guy wow was he the worst survivor player ever
Garett always seems to try and grab your attention to initiate the conversation - stands up, leans over and leers at your chips - all to get some kind of reaction
I hate the "how much do you have left" question, especially when it's asked in an assertive tone like you have to answer me.
Garett is spewy in a lot of ways but his live pro game is always on point.
Then maybe you could develop a counter measure to that and take a seat and take him to the cleaner's.
@@biggawinnacrapsa3870 haahahaha
@@thomasbuck303 yep it's a bunch of soulless manginas on the rag
"Normally on the channel this is when we conclude the video with some nerdy math shit that nobody likes" lmao
But that's achually why we all watch!
@Doug Polk Poker this is true
I skip all the parts where he's talking it's really annoying
Ya tell us how many combos of bluffs/value hands buzz has so when we go play we can magically count combinations in every scenario without doing any real work!
@Josh Sullivan no....it's not results oriented at all. he goes through different scenarios, explains why people would make certain choices in certain situations. he walks us through their thought processes, and what he would do. this is how winning players think, a lot of them make mistakes, and by learning from their mistakes you improve.
@@Rufus066 I think 99% are exactly the same. terribly annoying to listen to him and you just sit and wait for it to end
Doug, is not the bigger issue that some person outside the hand starts asking him questions if he should put the rest of it in? Seems kind of out of line having a player at the table trying to fish out information of a guy in a big moment on the river...
I was wondering the same thing. I wasn't sure who was talking but why isn't something done about that player not in the hand talking to a player who is in the hand??? Bizarre lack of enforcement.
I dont think nick was fishing for info, i think he was just trying to have fun at the table. But I do think it was out of line and I would have said something if I was in buzz's spot. But I also think the pros consider nick to be the recreational player and wouldnt say anything to keep him around.
nah. that's older style poker man. sometimes asking questions or just thinking out loud can get weaker players to react. that's just how the game is meant to be played. I think the newer generation that comes to the table and all but covers their face with a mask is a really lame way to play.
I imagine the fact the game is televised lends to a more loose, sort of atmosphere. In a normal game I thinks it's terrible but they are on tv and having fun I think.
Let's face it, these guys aren't going broke over one hand or 100.
@@LITRLG0D But not a player who isnt in the hand,that guy should keep his mouth shut,really bad form there
I did this once when i tired upping the stakes from 1-2 to2-5 tried bluffing 80% of my stack with a 5 card flush out there with leaving little behind the player started talking to me and i stupidly talked back and he called after 4 minutes of tanking i learned never to do that again
If you gave it away with your speech he would have called much sooner perhaps
@@stuartbromley3513 I'm a regular and he's played with me a lot on the 1-2 tables and knows I don't usually bluff ever or talk when I'm in a hand
I'm really liking the recent poker hand vids. I feel like now that Doug is post playing career he's back to focusing on entertainment + strategy which is the optimal blend for me. Enjoying the videos recently from my favorite video blogger (maybe 2nd fav because marle is hysterical)
I know - I'll take that sweet thang over this has-been any day.
I don't even play poker and still find this really insightful. Keep up the good work dude.
Had to rewatch this one for the 4-years-later-still-lols.
BTW, the biggest tell is around @8:15 when Garrett says "you know I don't fold hands, right?" and Buzz quickly replies "yeah, yeah, yeahyeahyeah" as if to say "let's move on from that part, my money's already in the middle"
Just wanted to thank you Doug for your insight. I played my first live poker tourney last Sunday and won!! Watched many of your poker tourney strat videos to freshen up for it. Felt great.
Chill bro. You got lucky. You'll never cash again.
John Smith You must be very fun to be around ...
@@thaidise8842 Only fun for people who like the truth
First torney won lol ok
Strong bit of info that I hadn't noticed before but is true, when a guy's opponent calls his hand out correctly, the guy will usually say something back really quickly. You can see this a lot on High Stakes Poker and in Daniel Negreanu hands since he's always guessing people's cards out loud. If the guy doesn't answer, he may or may not have that hand, but I don't think I've ever seen someone snap reply when their opponent was misreading them.
Why am I seeing a Daniel Negreanu masterclass ad on a Doug Polk video...is the world ending?
Doug Polk? Our GTO lord and savior is giving us advice on our live game tells and skills?? What is this madness, next thing you’ll say joe Ingram has given up the great game in favor of Wrestling.
GTO LORD?
POTlimit wrestling
wc3 reforged HYPE :) saw your on reddit post on r/wc3 . Big fan here ! . your totally right about the if hes acting weak he is strong an if hes acting strong he is weak. some players in the mid stake games tend to over do it when it comes to this.
No mater how many times I’ve heard Garret’s voice it still gets me coming from a man who looks like that!
@Doug Polk Poker: I learn so much from you, thanks for sharing your knowledge. It's absolutely invaluable. You're an absolutely great guy... super positive and a super tactician when it comes to poker man! Out of all the poker channels that give advice yours is way above the rest!
^Ned Flanders
@@JohnSmith-su3ze^ Old Geriatric
Daniel Negranu just offered to poker school me in the ad for this video 😂
Hi Doug, please include some more mathematical info in future. It would be great to see, why certain actions as you usually tell us, makes sense or not. I am highly interested to see the math more often.
Hey doug love your channel. Glad to see that you have upgraded your hair style. wtf were you thinking in 2016?
I love me some Garrett. He has to be my favorite LATB reg. More Garrett hand review please.
I think that betting smaller as a bluff can work really well when your opponent has a weak range. Then you can rep a wider and less polarized range.
With that said, his stack on the river was too small to do anything else than shoving.
Jamie Gold talked a lot and he was the greatest bluffer of all time
Fair point, Mr Boski
i concur@@PosteDeVeille
Boski is a God.
Jeff, you against jamie gold would be a really close match, that’d be cool to see
Jeff, but....Jamie was GOOD at it! If it’s not native to your personality as it’s clearly not here, you know the rest of the story man! ;-). Filets all around!
Got a Daniel Negreanu ad before this video lmaooooo
Nice channel , like the analysis. Subbed
Polk should do a vid of him talking strategy AS he is playing online. NOT after. Then id like to see if his over analysis is any good in the moment. I only say this because there are a lot of vids of Polk getting felted that he doesnt upload and when he does, he has this long over analysis explaining why he made the wrong moves lol
I know we aren't talking about building a rocket however, I do like the way you intellectually break down hands. Have a great and safe Thanksgiving everyone!!!
Listen Polk, you have been my guiding light, helping me learn advanced strategy and upping my poker game these last few years. You have always been a straight shooter and advocated for the little guy. I SWEAR, if you stop posting content and start living the high life now that you've won the one drop, my faith in humanity will be gone
Pretty sure that Garrett guy went on survivor a few seasons ago... weird
Yes yes he did
Yeah he was on Cagayan and went home with an idol in his pocket lol
Is it just me or is it ironic that the ad I see on Doug's poker videos is always for daniel negreanu's training course? xD
Dealer and floor need to crack down on the table talk by people not in the hand, even if they're regulars.
dude its a set up cash game. not some random table at a casino... as long as people aren't being annoying while players are making a key decision its not a big deal.
Do you watch the million dollar cash game ??? I'm guessing not. Everyone talks ya fucking tool
Everybody should stfu at the table. No need for the constant bullshit.
They can talk just not about the hand
I play mostly live 2/5 and talk while bluffing. I also talk while going for value. Not always, but only when I feel the situation pertains to it (the overall mood of the table).
I honestly don't believe the vast majority of people have the capability of extrapolating any real information from confident in-hand chatter (a confidence which Buzz seems to notably lack in this spot). I've straight up held flopped nuts and pretty much told iso'd villain that "I am good here" while preparing to stack off and all it did was admittedly put the villain in a leveling tailspin.
In my experience people generally don't know wtf to think when you start talking. Imo it really screws with peoples heads and causes people to make errors of judgement (iow focusing on desperately picking apart your speech instead of the progression of the hand). As long as you legitimately do not tilt, I think talking can be extremely effective in a variety of spots especially in low-mid stakes.
Started the vid with the Daniel class add nice 😉
"If you need that last little bit of money for the road, don't play this game!" Best advice, right there.
Love your content Doug!
That move at 3:53 fake muck and then reach for a time bank with his thumb, was nicely done
If I were to say anything (which I wouldn't, being too hard to balance) it would be,"You got me, I'm trying to save money on my bluff," and that would be it.
G-man is a beast. Super intimidating with his body language and he perfectly applies the heat to get the read.
I played a game where i had legit like 5 high kept snap calling it was heads up i shove all in guy asks me if i was bluffing i told him yes he folds i show the bluff 6 hands later had a boat same guy asked if i was bluffing again because its heads up i tell him know he calls and lost with a set he was mad i told him im an honest player a week later find myself heads up with him he asks if im bluffing i just told him he meeds to call to find out and thats where the guy got pissed loosing Ace high flush to a straight flush 😂 that gentleman doesn't ask me anymore
It's best to keep quiet in either case. You want your opponent to consider you a mystery. I would have pushed if I were Buzz. That leaves Garrett with the decision. Shoving would tell your opponent that you're most likely solid.
He was VERY nervous.
If your going to bluff you have to be relaxed.
And on the talking tip
If you possess the ability to table talk the trick is you have to talk when your strong
Talk when your weak
Talk when your in a hand
Talk when your not in the hand
Just talk and talk and talk
And be relaxed
His body language
And how he responded
EVERYTHING
SCREAMED BLUFF
He should have ripped it in there and started laughing at him 🤷♂️
That would have worked FOR SHORE
I’m pretty sure Garret was calling regardless of if Buzz was talking or not
That chip playing drives me nuts
I would have said "I didn't want to bet 3,500 because I thought that would give away my hand."
After listening to Doug analyse by talking so much, I understand why the players take so long to make a decision. Buzz just wanted to keep some chips to fondle with.
Anyone know what happened to ART?
Garrett read that dude like a damn magazine cover lol
Well, why did he run his mouth about it? Is he giving poker lessons? Smart guy teaches others how to beat him in future pots. That’s stupid, and it is because he can’t stop showing off.
Ah, seeing Daniel negs system advertisement talking about not being loose and talking while bluffing on a Doug polk video about not talking while bluffing
PLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's hard enough to balance your hands, let alone balancing other things like banter.
Using a time extension pre flop seems like the biggest tell ever, especially on a relatively short stack. It screams AQ or tens/Jacks to me
or Kings
Negreanu ads on this vid 😂😂
It’s good to see that Garrett is a lot better at Poker than he was at survivor XD
The way buzz fondles those chips is hypnotic
A lot of people don't know this but Buzz is the kid from the movie "UP".
More rake is better, right?
Keep it up Doug!
Buzz has to much nervous action going on? I would have pick up on this and played all in for the pot rookie move!
A Daniel Negreanu ad on a Doug Polk video. UA-cam is just on top of it.
More ads are better
that guy with the QQs probably calls 6k and change shove just as well as the 4k that was bet on the river. I am unsure what the guy with 10s could have said to get the guy with the QQs to fold. I guess as a player you'd have to develop skills that go beyond actual poker. You have to give off the vibe of having a strong had, the mannerism have to be on par and you have to act a certain way where it subconsciously makes the other player actually believe he is beat.
It was the third party who was talking that cost Buzz this pot. Whoever it was asked some questions that caused Buzz to show his face that gave it away right away, to me at least.
Daniel Negranu master class commercial... let the games continue. Time for another billboard
Clearly garret is fishing info. Buzz should just zip it up
Oh my bad.......I thought you were referring to YOU talking too much during this video. LOL
i feel like I make a lot of calls in live poker just because they talk me into it
This is true. I often say I'm weak when I'm strong and say I'm strong then I'll be weak lol
I understand. Go all-in
Yes! New Poker Hands!
The best thing to do is, if you talk then always talk, and if you dont talk then never talk. Either that or constantly switch it up but if you do never play hands the same.
Man did the man making the video put me nervous cutting the video everytime
Buzz was levelling by keeping a bit back
Good read
I will subscribe just to see your micro bankroll course.
Buzz dug a nice big hole getting in far too deep with a weak hand. Any justification for him folding after the 4-bet pre-flop? Which is probably what I'd have done, as what are you beating?
Great vid dougie burger
His chip shuffling makes me want to flucking live life to the fullest dear God
If you talk while bluffing, you gotta talk when you have the nuts too. Will Kassouf is a perfect example. I find if someone is talking or typing during a hand they usually have it.
Garrett is right. Betting not his full stack makes this look and smell like such a bluff. And it makes any call from Garett easy, he only needs about 35% to call, and almost nothing changed from the turn - where he could have shoved more into a smaller pot on a flush draw - which looks like the Ace of clubs.
@ 9:00 is there not a point where bluffing all-in becomes readable in itself as a bluff, because you are trying to look like you are making the "big" move by going all-in (which is debatable in cash games where these guys are effectively bottomless bank rolls most of the time anyway) so actually making a value size bet becomes the better bluff size to look like you are trying to extract value. I understand it opens up more of their theoretical calling range, I guess it becomes quite stack size dependent between about 60-120% pot?
Sure. 60% pot is a completely normal bet size, but the closer you get to having a pot sized bet left, the more merit there can be in going for a small bet instead.
Is that Buzz from Pit Fighter?
when he asked if he would be willing to put the rest in if given the option, i would have said "well now i do now that i know your not snap calling"
I would have said "if you just shove I'll fold". Odds are if you're bluffing you wouldn't say this. I prefer silence though.
Buzz does not have the table talk skills of Scott Siever... Just ask Reinkemeyer! " I was trapping Scott...." "What can you do?" lol
And are they're players who can talk very well during a bluff...in te live poker scene
Good video
Hey Doug!!!
Love you in all your dp poker stuff!!!
But id drop that bitcoin channel before your doing the $10,000 challenge for real.
Thanks for all the programming!!!!!!
The guy sitting left from Buzz = Tim Duncan
Yes that's Timmy. I was with him earlier that day. He went to LA to see Koby.
London ball actually
Lonzo
Enes kanter
Lmao the guy goes I need money for a Uber hahahaha
hey doug, do you play high stakes poker?
i learned this tell watching Rounders, yeah im a pro
Alex I never saw him eating a cookie
Although I don't think this is what Buzz was doing, I think there can be situations where you could want to bet smaller on the river to entice the other player to call. That is if you have a really strong hand, not these pocket 10s. Again, I don't think Buzz was doing this, but kinda weird for Garrett to get all up in arms because Buzz didn't shove all in. It's his decision. If he truly thinks he has the best hand, and he thinks Garrett could possibly fold, making a smaller bet than all in is fine. If he thought,big I put in the last 2200, that makes my bet almost half pot, and Garrett may fold, but if I put in just 4k, maybe he will call and I will get paid that 4k extra, rather than nothing. Again, I don't think Buzz was doing this, but for Garrett to call him out is kinda jerky. U can bet whatever I want. If you want to come in over the top and put me all in then fine, but it's my money, my decision. I have a huge pet peeve of people telling me I did something wrong because it wasn't what I was expected to do. That's poker people. I tend to think that you not getting why I made a certain move is a good think. You don't want everyone to know what you are doing at all times.
uhhh if I had pocket 10s.. that 4k would mean Im value betting XD, esp when garett checked on the flop
Have you been buying more Bitcoin and Dash
I talked during a bluff the other day day and got owned. I even told the guy what he had and he still called. 🤔
😂
Doug, how about the dangers of tanking while bluffing?
At the end of the hand Art says "Fuck", Garrett immediately says "Art said Fuck. I got the whole fucking world anti-sweating me" hahahaha
G is a great player, all credit to him but he,s lucky alot, thats a nice runout for queens despite the clubs, if buzz bets the flop and keeps firing especially with the clubs Garrett probably folds.
really not a fan of talking on a river bluff, especially if you don't know exactly what you're going to say in response to everything
@James Fondren - My response would have been "You can shove now and get it over with or bleed your chips to me over the next several hours, I've got all night, oh, and tell your shill over there to stfu in the middle of a hand he's no part of."
i'm not really a fan of the river bluff, it's dangerous, you could get called and lose
still no voice mixer for your vids yet?
Garette such a great player.
What does Garrett say at the end talking about hes got the whole world sweating..