Honestly, I think they didnt really care for England or and about Voldemort. Seeing how hostile the other schools of magic are in terms of relation and interaction with others(as we see in the 4th book) its possible to think they didnt want to interact with the other wizard although its weird to think like that because Voldemort was clearly gonna expand his influence if he had gained control of England. Pretty confusing!
Considering how obstructionist Fudge was, I wouldn't be surprised if some foreign wizarding governments didn't see the danger Voldemort posed and sent people to Britain to warn/offer to deal with him themselves but were rebuffed by the pigheaded Fudge every time, who I am certainly would have either flat out denied Voldemort's existence or assured them "everything is under control." And by the time Fudge was ousted and replaced by Scrimgor, its likely by that point it was too late to ask the rest of the wizarding community for help, or they were too embarrassed by Fudge's debacle to do it.
That's my theory, with the US Wizarding Government/MACUSA after Rappaport's Law was finally repealed in 1965 would've sent representatives and Aurors to help in both Wizarding Wars deal with Voldemort probably using the argument "Once Voldemort conquers Great Britain what's to stop him from crossing the Atlantic and trying to conquer the US." with Minister during the first Wizarding War refusing MACUSA's aid for some unknown reason and Fudge refusing due to well Fudge being a corrupt, colossal idiot. And I think MACUSA would definitely have believed Voldemort was making his comeback after the attack during the Quidditch World Cup which was an international event which would see the heads of the various Wizarding Governments from across the Globe including the President of MACUSA along with his/her Auror bodyguards arrive in Great Britain to watch the event. I think after the attack and ensuing battle during the Quidditch World and returning to New York the President of MACUSA would've began ordering preparations for a 2nd Wizarding War and Voldemort's return realizing that like during the last war that if Great Britian fell America would've possibly been next on Voldemort's list of targets and that it wouldn't be really hard for Voldemort and his Death Eater Army to cross the Atlantic Ocean and attack America. But Fudge being the idiot he was would've refused MACUSA's help since due to his pigheadedness/stupidity would've believed his American Counterpart was getting worked up over nothing and was "preparing for a war that isn't going to happen."
Or Rowling hadn't really fleshed out the ICW at that point, beyond Dumbledore being the Supreme Mugwump. A lot of her world building came after the Harry Potter series was over.
And she didn't want it to be so one sided for more of the good side would come since it's from far and the government forces them to come, and she wanted to leave it only to Brittin pretty much so that it's not a world wide conflict and the stakes to high
The thing is, out of universe explanations don't work to explain these questions. Whether she fleshed it out or not, the Wizarding world is a world, and thus, decisions lead to consequences. So these countries had to have reasons - even some as simple as "we didn't know"
true, and its just not that important to the plot. Its still a book series made for kids and young adults (i know, every age read them) and there is no need for global wizard politics
exactly. She didn't finish her world building at all. Didn't fulfill the many promises of addressing bigotry, and unity either. There will be another Voldemort since none of the issues that created him were addressed and the series basically ended in the same position that it ended.
It should also be pointed out that the second war against Voldemort (between his return being publicly acknowledged and his defeat) lasted less than two years. Other wizarding governments may not have had time to devise and implement proper responses. Bureaucracy moves notoriously slow.
not to mention the complete change of policy in briten and the different messages that would be sent out, i would think the ministry when voldermort was in charge, and his followers was doin their best to discredit any info the resistence would try to send out, and that there would be a lot of measures put in place by voldermort and his ministry to have any information from the resistence stopped or alterd in some ways and harsh punishments to anyone found out beeing involved. afther all they wasent afraid of using kidnaping of family members, torture murder etc.
I think the key is misinformation. We have to keep in mind, barely anyone knew about Voldemort having a horcrux (more than one of course). Even Dumbledore didn’t know until half blood prince. So the other wizarding communities probably thought it’s just a “random” dark wizard messing around, nothing that the british ministry couldn’t handle. Had they known the full extent of Voldemorts powers, they surely would have watched closer and most likely had come to support
@@sammycakes8778And well.... it wasn't a secret that Voldemort feared Dumbledore. Like in hindsight (fleshed out etc), Dumbledore was already considered more or less the only one who was Grindelwalds equal back in the 1920s.
In the first Wizarding War of Great-Brittain, I think an non-interventionalist/Isolationist approach was taken. The first priority of a lot of magical community was stopping the spread of Voldemorts ideology in other countries and hunt down those who might follow in his footsteps. We know from the likes of Karkaroff that Voldemorts ideas would also find fruitful ground in European nations. So I think they were more focussed on finding and putting down similar movements in their own country before looking to Great Brittain. An each for their own approach. During the second Wizarding War things got even more complex. When the first news broke Voldemort had returned, the Ministry declared it all a lie, a year later, they had to confess that he did had return and another year later they were the Ministry. Intervening in a regional conflict was one thing, declaring war on another Ministry was something entirely else. Isolating the UK and hoping for the best was the best thing they could do for the time. Also something interesting I hadn't thought of before but who took Crouch office after he was murdered by his son? If it was a death eater, there is no telling what information the outside world got from the ministry but probably something that greatly benefitted Voldemorts agenda. TL;DR: In the first war, there was likely more focus on trying to prevent similar groups from rising in their countries, in the second, by the time the threat was clear, the only way to stop Voldemort was declaring War on Brittain.
@@taillesswolf You are misremembering. While not explicitely stated, he was likely under probation during the Crouch Affair for not noticing that his boss wasn't himself but after the return of Voldemort, after GOF, he was promoted to Junior Assistent of the Minister (according to Arthur Weasley, because it would allow Fudge some insight on the Weasley family and through them the Order and Dumbledore). Someone else had been promoted to Head of the Department of International Magical Co-operation, whom isn't mentioned but given the influence that Lucius Malfoy had at the time, it would have been the perfect time to put forward someone who was sympathetic to the Death Eater agenda. It also helped that Fudge wanted to quell any rumor of the Dark Lord's return, so that person would have an even easier job if it was an agent of the Dark Lord.
@@julianthaler2741 I'm well-aware of that and yes, it would have been better, more correct if I wrote other European nations when I talked about Voldemorts idea being fruitful in OTHER European Nations as well, but I think people understood well enough. Wherever Karkaroff is from (I believe Eastern Europe), the ideas of Voldemort must have spread there for him to travel to the UK to join the Death Eaters (though, thinking of it, he might have been a foreign exchange student at one point, studying a year at Hogwarts with someone from Hogwarts studying abroad at Durmstrang for a year, giving how he said: dear old Hogwarts)... The point remains, the closest magical communities (those of mainland Europe would likely have focussed more on preventing their own Voldemorts from rising, inspired by the British Dark Wizard.
Another facet that should be added is the potential of Voldemort sympathizers fanning the flames in their own country and creating local issues. I'm sure that many wizarding governments around the world have difficulties with their own pureblood supremacists and dangerous magical creatures, and Voldemort, as part of his greater scheme of domination, could have been prodding at those issues so that the other governments were too preoccupied about the British wizards suddenly dealing with Voldemort and an abrupt change in policy.
I’ve never really thought about this, but it’s possible they didn’t get involved because the threat posed by Lord Voldemort never reached far beyond Great Britain.
But if these countries actually supported Voldemort, wouldn't they have come out and aided him somehow? Questions of their interference wouldn't apply in their case, would they, at least not from their viewpoint. I also think the countries which stayed out of it would have been forced first to decide where their loyalties lay, then act in one hell of a hurry had Voldemort proven victorious. As always, love the points raised.
Well if countries who supported voldemort would have aided him then the countries who didn't would have a good excuse to intervene as well, possibly leading to a world war
Why would they? There are currently countries supporting Russia and countries supporting Ukraine, but they don't go there and fight. Could be the same with the wizards.
@@Normg49 Again you can support an ideology without supporting the person themself. A lot of person in the world agreed with brexit and a lot were against it. You didn't saw them ask for the britain nationality and vote.
2 new theories is that 1) the international community had just defeated Grindlewald and was not in the mood for a second dark wizard and 2) Dumbledore actually may have started to thwart Voldemort before the international community got involved
I don't think the other countries didn't see the big deal about Voldemort. After all, he acted internationally, even though the wars themselves took place in Britain. So did Gellert Grindelwald, who is said to be second most evil to Voldemort, and he spread international terror. Britain would otherwise just have ignored the imploring for help that came from Eastern Europe. So other governments would probably try to prevent that terror from rising again. It is also unlikely that they didn't know, as Voldemort is often referred to as the most powerful wizard of all time. People would have heard about him, right? Furthermore, after the Quidditch World Cup, an international sports event, the dark mark appeared. News of this would have reached parts of the participating nations. Throughout the books, it is hinted that Britain’s ministry is a pretty big player in international politics. It has spies at least in Tibet, and Aurors are fed information from all over the planet. If Britain had a power issue, it would be likely that most nations would know. I also doubt any other European nation was engaged in war at that time, as that would certainly have appeared in the Daily Prophet. Or Ron might have known it from his dad, who might know it from the Auror department and its spies. And about that last theory… Well, sure, there’s a lot of conservative states in the wizarding world. But to believe in pure blood superiority doesn’t mean to support the brutal slaying of muggles and muggle-born wizards and witches. Pulling up the example of Gellert Grindelwald once more: Durmstrang supported Dark Magic and certain amounts of racism towards non-pure blood wizards and witches. But they still kicked him out. I know this example is weak, as it refers to Dark Magic, rather than racism, but still: Durmstrang knew where to draw the line between being conservative Dark wizard and being extremist. Personally, I believe the other countries waited for the dust to settle in Britain. If Britain won the war, then everyone could have been happy with themselves. Had Britain lost, one could still have fought Voldemort. And I don’t doubt that many would have liked to bring a weakened after-war Britain under their control and reinforce their own power… After all, Britain did bring forth some of the greatest magical powers of all time, and with those a reputation of strength. Thanks for this great Video! I’d probably never have asked myself that question without it! Keep up the great content.
I think it’s most likely a combination of the following two factors among the many you mention: 1) At least some wizarding governments and/or societies across the world supported Voldemort and the Death Eaters, at the very least discreetly. Most likely in regions of Europe east of the Rhine and north of the Baltic, most of the Middle East, and much of Asia. 2) The international wizarding community at large took a heavy non-interventionalist approach while securing their own societies. Particularly from seeing what happened to the German Ministry of Magic (and potentially many other wizarding governments at the time) during the Fantastic Beasts films during the rise and height of Grindelwald’s power, which only happened 25-50+ years over the course of both wizarding wars, I don’t think any of them were willing to take a chance at openly fighting against Voldemort, the Death Eaters, and their allies without risk of infiltration and discreet overthrows of their governments, as well as attacks on the wizards and witches they respectively served.
Also, it won't be easy to move big forces to once place to an another country without the muggles discovering their existence. And Voldemort wasn't a threat for other countries at that time. So there was no reason for international movements.
I’m so glad you’re covering this because it has always driven me kinda crazy. Why is the story so confined to this one school and group for the most part.
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Because it is called "Harry Potter and ...", so it makes sense to focus on him and his group of friends. Also, it sold a lot of books being that way. When it comes to world-building Rowling sure is no Tolkien.
Grindelwald was on a global scale and Voldemort was only on a national scale. Is it possible that after Grindelwald, the Wizarding World thought that radical deglobalising was going to be potentially the smartest solution to prevent a Grindelwald figure from arising again, only for them to be proven both somewhat right and somewhat wrong by Voldemort?
I want to see Russia's magic community. I'm curious if the Russian witches and wizards lived under a Soviet wizarding union, or if they hid from the communists and formed their own government. I know the soviets experimented with psychic abilities and stuff, so it could be very interesting if there's a third wizarding franchise
@@vermiciousknid2456 1) Hitler and Indiana Jones movies Hitler signed Indy's book as they search for the sacred chalice. 2) Hitler and Hellboy first movie Hitler wanted Hellboy in the first movie, but the Americans got HB first.
I think it's probably is a mix of all of them. Alongside, Wizarding priorities are very different from muggle ones. Wizards an witches have a lifespan that Is twice that of ours. Or around 200 years. Which means politics and policies of 1800s are likely still the norm. Which is to say the Wizarding world lags behind the muggle one.
For me only explanation that sorta-kinda works is that they didn't know (a.k.a. were convinced by magic ministry of foreign affairs, which was take over by Voldemorts' supporters). If I remember correctly Voldemors' goal was to subjugate everyone to his rule and taking over magic community was only stepping stone. This threatened masquerade itself and thus endangered all wizards across world - it wasn't mere internal affair any more.
Really really wish they would expand further outside of the UK and USA with the story line in the future. After watching your channel I realized how MUCH Potiential there still is!!! Exciting!!!
I think it comes down to the fact that, compaired to Grendlewald, Voldemort was small potatos. When Gelart Grendlewald was gathering followers he was a one man international incident. Everything he did was in the name of Wizard Supremacy. And he had thousands of followers across the world with some who were of high political authority. By comperison, Voldemort was a localized threat who was likely seen as a copycat and a wanna be by the international community. And the second time around they'd have called BS on him coming back from the dead. Especially with the whole 3 years he was back being filled with conflicting reports on the matter. They may have even considered it someone impersonating Voldemort and thus a pretender OF a pretender.
Honestly voldemort was way more powerfull then grindewald, no one in the wizzard community dared to speak his name out of fear of what might have happend to them or their families “ everything he did was in the Wizard supremacy “ so did volwemort really, he wanted pure bloods, not mixed with muggles etc etc, had the whole minestary corrupted, volwemort was way more of a threat, didnt hesitate to kill, or force people to do as he likes them to do, grindewalt was all talk and gotten a following through it, voldemort striked fear and didnt hesitate to kill. Eventho I like these videos, there is no real reason as its just based on the books / movies and speculation from the outside vieuwership trying to keep harry potter alive, but based upon hp and fantastic beast its 100% voldemort > grindewald
@@ThRsSkiller Thats the thing though. Voldemort isn't more powerful. Dumbledor hard stops Voldemort to the point that Voldemort had to resort to indirect methods to kill him. Grendlewald on the other hand was Dumbledor's equal in nearly everyway. Now, the question is, if Grendlewald hadn't spent years in a cell and had the ability (or desire) to defend himself, how well would Voldy's Dark Magic have stood up against all the power Grendlewald had at his disposal? My bet is that it would have been the same powr dynamic as The Ministry Battle. Only, unlike Dumbledor, Gelart wouldn't have pulled his punches.
@@kaimagnus5760 Voldemort is canonically more powerful than Grindelwald. Dumbledore had a loyal Elder Wand when fighting him so Dumbledore could not have lost. We don't know how Dumbledore v Grindelwald duel will go but all the FB movies seem to point to that Grindelwald might surrender by his own free will in the end. Grindelwald certainly seems more powerful in terms of allies though. He seems to have a much bigger set of supporters.
Voldemort failed to kill a baby, failed to keep his subordinates in line despite the imperius curse existing, failed to win the first wizarding war, failed to kill an old man and had some else kill him, failed to kill people on several occasions, and failed to take over a high-school full of teachers not on his power level and literal children. You wonder why nobody is afraid of him?
I was always under the impression that Death Eaters around the world would spring up and cause trouble, so while they didn't have to deal with Voldemort personally like Great Britain, the other countries were still fighting...
I think the only realistic in-universe explanation is that the rise of Grindelwald and his ability to manipulate the entire international magical community caused them to isolate themselves so that internal threats within individual countries stayed self-contained. It would explain why there was a lot of collaboration between the US/UK/French wizarding communities before and during Grindelwald's rise but very little afterward.
Dumbledore had contacts all over the world so they certainly knew about Voldemort, also in Half Blood Prince Dumbledore says that Tom Riddle was known all over the world as Lord Voldemort.
@@erichanastacio9695 I bet Hermione could have made it. I mean she also made poly juice potion when she was 12 which also should be extremely difficult to make.
@@ianpgmusicfanfictionart It's a long complicated process wherein Lupin trusted only Snape's expertise; and the constant travel might mess up their potion making. And where can they get sufficient supply for the potion?
Video idea for you to do: What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
1) Can be used as a nightlight 2) Can deliver messages like the Patronous Lynx warned them "The Ministry has fallen." 3) Lure Harry to the location of the sword.
I think Rowling just didn't think of the global wizarding community when creating the Harry Potter series. We first see other wizarding countries in the Fantastic Beasts. Even if they didn't want to intervene, there would be some scenes where for example Dumbledore would try to convince other ministers to become allies with Britain. Of course, Voldemort would surely try that too. That happened in the Fantastic Beasts, just with Grindewald. Just look at the fact that Rowling even tried to put some foreign allies for example the Giants, Elves and more.
My biggest question is why Harry didn't say anything to the Order when after he realized Gregorovitch was the next target. Yet he just proceeded to the party , I understand he got side tracked wanting to know more about Dumbledore but I would have thought this would have save the poor man if he said something.
I think it's just a British-centric story. Even when you look at Ilvermorny. There's no way the Native Americans didn't have a wizarding school. And it would obviously be in the cliffside masterpiece of Mesa Verde, Colorado. Not a school in Massachusetts set up by English and Irish people.
I imagine the Natives had their own, smaller schools? Like in Africa, there are a lot of small schools, but one very large one. I’m pretty sure she mentioned Native American magic, at some point.
By the begining of DH the ministry had already quietly fallen to Voldemort. International intervention would have meant declaring war on Britain itself, and possible putting the entire wizarding word at risk of collapse. Like in the real world, the geopolitical implications often out way the moral dilemma.
I think that if Voldermort had seceded in the UK him and the Death Eaters would have acted like the Nazi's in 1937 and started trying to take over other Wizarding Worlds.
I’ve always had many many questions about all of these topics, but then I simply pose the question…..what really did Voldemort want? Power? To rule the world? A war with muggles? It’s really never made truly clear; however I honestly believe he just wanted to do his thing. Live forever by his own rules and just do him sort of thing (Kill a few ppl here and there, not pay taxes ect lol) but other then that I really don’t think he was all that concerned with total world domination…..and he’s my reasoning, for most of the second wizarding war his main concern was killing Harry Potter, that’s one of the main reasons took over the ministry, but what about during the first war? When he first came to power the prophecy about the boy wasn’t made yet so he was literally just doing him, therefore I feel like if he was concerned about ruling the world he would have been doing things then to warrant the attention of other nations/countries so when he returned the international confederation of wizards would have been on him…but he never did…. So IJUSTDK what exactly he was up too. ……….🤷🏾♀️
@@kwamanesargent8834 i don't think Voldemort actually want anything. He despise love, he don't want power, he use Imperio to form a false goverment, he don't want money, and not sex neither. Although he claim he want to build a pure blood socity, ironcially, he is a halfblood himself. all we see is his hatray, madness. i think he just want to see the world ruin under his doing.
How much pull did other schools have with their governments ? After Goblet of Fire certainly Beauxbatons and Durmstrang would have recognized Voldy as a serious threat did Karkaroff and Maxime just not have the "swag and voice " that Dumbledore carried ?
I think, they might have feared a world war if they involved themselves in the matter, with Wizarding Communities from all over the world dividing each other into Voldemort Supporters and Adversaries. This might have resulted in a huge international fight, dividing other countries themselves and threatening peace in their country and the statute of secrecy. So I believe it's a mix of all the points mentioned. Great topic btw, I really enjoy your videos!
I like to think that in Britain everyone is scrambling around in terror because of Voldemort while the rest of the wizarding world is just pointing and laughing. “THIS guy is the one who overthrew your entire government?? Are you kidding me??”
Counter Argument: Voldemort's objective was not just to overthrow the loval government, he saught out to also use lethal force to force mugels into what is essentially slavery. An act that would expose he wizarding world and by doing so, probably start a greater world war between muggles and magic. He was by far the biggest threat to their existance. From his prespective, anyone without magic was a laughing joke and to a degree, he might not be wrong. Magic puts a lot of power in the hands of the few who have it and while I have yet to see a character use any spells that stop a unending spread of bullets, they absolutly had the means to undermine and dismantle muggle militaries if not give them a run for their money in the course of a few minutes. They would still suffer losses though. Great losses. My Theory: There is no in universe reason. From my understanding, the content following the original HP books came after HP and from the way the stories play out, I would even say that the rest of the governments didn't exist while she was writing Harry Potter. IE, its a plot hole. An understandable one though. JKRolling was a writer first, not a world-builder first. And while World-building is by far apart of the writing process, at the time these books were written, I doubt she ever thought those books would get finished or see the light of day. So, from her prespective, expanding the lore and history of the HP world was just not her priority. Best IU Response: The best she could do is just have Volds return a rumored mystery to the greater world, nothing else. The last Prime Minister spent a great deal of time rejecting the idea that Vold had returned. At which point he was already getting double agents in the ministry. He had at least one agent already deeply invested in the ministry for a great deal of time (Mouthvoy) (Sorry for spelling, too lazy to look it up). So even when the minister finally accepted his return, they probably did their best to make sure the news didn't break outside their borders or, if it did, play it off as if there was no threat. We saw at the start of Boox Seven and Film Seven that the Ministry remained very confident in its ability to oppose Voldemort. A ploy and show of strength that was non-existant considering Vold already has the Ministry in his pocket. He had the means to downplay his threat to other governments and kept this sherade going about the Ministry being strong while slowly warping the Ministry into his vision. It is practical. I would expect this from Vold, and it covers the lore gap between project developments.
I think the isolationist theory works the best. It's the natural state of all witches and wizards to live in secret. A global war would have outed them all.
At the end of the day, the war was about some guy who wanted to kill another guy and both guys had their friends try to help them. If Harry had of been killed any one of the many times Voldy attacked him, I wonder what he would have done after?
We actually know of two murders that Voldemort committed outside Britain after his return: Gregorovitch and Grindelwald. Whether the relevant magical governments knew or suspected that it was Voldemort's doing is another question.
Yeah, forgot about that. I somehow suspect they were muggles, and it seems that Ministries of Magic don't always take muggle murders seriously (the UK Ministry, for instance, looked for the Riddles' murderer -- but took no interest when Frank Bryce, the caretaker at Riddle manor, was killed).
Yes but no mass murders. Or public appearances stating his evil mission. Unfortunately a couple deaths here and there may not be enough. As for killing G & G, the battle of Hogwarts happened pretty fast after that so the other countries may not have had time to make a decision.
@@kaiw522 Good points. I was thinking in this context about dictators sending agents abroad to kill dissidents in exile: even when the governments where the murders took place know (or suspect) the truth about these killings, they're not very likely to start a war over them.
The one thing Fantastic Beast showed was just how localized the threat of Voldemort was. Because Voldemort was so localized the rest of the world viewed the "Wizarding Wars" the same way the real world viewed the Northern Ireland Conflict, aka The Troubles. Bad, something to keep an eye on but ultimately a regional issue.
My MACUSA theory, Wizarding Britain is considered a backwoods Hatfields and McCoy's, Taking over a Banjo-level Inbred town. They were likely trying to figure out how to put together a strike-force with needed infrastructure since, in order to stay Statute of Secrecy Compliant, MACUSA had to modernize to keep up with the No-Mag, that meant training to do without any Magi-Tech they might have and the Wards the British Magical World likely have to keep Magicals from really knowing about Muggles. Sorry for the meandering post.
Over a month in, and i still find the thumbnail funny. It's like Voldemort resigning to the reality that no one helped him. He's like, "Oh well.. hee hee"
1) Impossible, Wizard International Confederation and newspapers talking of overseas criminals were already a thing during Grindelwald. 2) Maybe, but unlikely, World Wars had no significant impact on wizards. 3 and 4) These are exactly the plausible concomitant cases. The battle started inside the UK amongst British wizards, like a civil war. To avoid open war, they would've intervened only if other wizarding communities would've been threatened. That's what happens between humans in general. 5) Certainly some supported Voldemort as some in the US were initially attracted to Hitlers ideas (Ford one of those). Some countries might've been on his side, like possibly Albania's wizarding world given the strong connection.
I think it has more to do with JK Rowling not wanting to adapt very different foreign cultures into an European Wizard setting because she lacks a deep understanding of them. She fleshed out Norwegian and French wizards in Goblet of Fire but only dwelved deeply on America with Fantastic Beasts later after probably studing USA culture of the period she wanted to depict. If she placed so much care into making non-british Europeans and North American characters appear as authentic wizard counterparts to their cultures I believe she will either take an even longer time studying Japan, Uganda or Brazil if she writes stories about their wizards or just avoid them all together in order not to depict shallow stereotypes like making Japanese wizards into ninjas. An in Universe explanation to this problem comes from the jarring fact some Death Eaters came from other European countries than UK. Voldemort's agents were infiltrated throughout Europe and America with the explicit purpose of subverting other magic governments and organizations into supporting his cause or at least not directly opposing it. Grindelwald had done the same thing before but his explicit goal of exposing wizardkind to muggles burned any bridge he had when he put his plans into action. What Cursed Child shows is that, had Voldemort succeeded, he would have continued to rule from the shadows without trying to impose open control of muggles by wizards thus not directly threatening the ICW's main purpose. Voldemort would have also backed dark wizard coups across several countries and used those sympathetic or puppet regimes as allied votes in ICW's decisions. An important difference between Voldemort's era and Grindelwald's era was the invention of nuclear weapons by muggles, with UK possessing an arsenal of those. If an international coallition of wizards came knocking at his door with a massive army he could Imperio the British PM and several military commanders into starting WW3 which would kill most wizards from fallout even if magic centers weren't directly targeted.
Japanese Wizard: There's only one magic we understand well. *fellow wizard throws a kunai imbedding deep into a throat of a deatheater* "Very well, indeed." (Total honesty, I would be down for that!) Though you do make a good point about international involvement potentially spinning into a full scale world war and the destruction of Britain itself in the chaos. Double so for nukes! Wizards would've been fully revealed and.... yeah it would be very bloody for a large chunk of the world.
Okay, just to get on topic: The books and movies are centered around Harry with his perception. Sooo... It is not mentioned that other countries helped. Of course not, since Harry cannot be everywhere, the books nor the movies are a complete history of the wizarding war, it is just the story of a few individuals who happen to be at the center of the whole mess. Sure there are more than the few battlefields mentioned, sure there are more than two factions at play. It's a war. Who knows what was lurking in the shadows, maybe a fully fledged intervention was on its way if the English were not able to stop Voldemorts movement in its tracks. Also we do not know what happened at the borders of the british isles. In fact, we do not know for large portions of time what Voldemort actually did. Only a few glimpses, when Harry had his visions. Maybe he was fending of an intervention while Harry, Ron and Hermione where teleporting through the country for weeks. We simply do not have a complete picture from the Books.
We know that Madame Maxime was helping in the fight. She may have been gathering French supporters. I imagine the other governments sadly took the same attitude we take in the real world when there's a civil war. We ignore it. Had he attached another nation, or directly attacked the British muggle government they may have intervened. If he won the battle of Hogwarts, I imagine they would have intervened. News would have spread quickly that the staff and students of the school, the creatures of the forrest, house elves and residents of Hogsmead had been slaughtered. That's more difficult to ignore. Also worth noting that Britain and Ireland are entirely seperate magical nations. Northern Ireland isn't a thing within magical borders. I imagine there was cooperation to take special care with muggleborns and to ensure the Irish troubles didn't spread. But... Ireland didn't have a large enough magical population to justify its own magical school. It had ti use Hogwarts. Ireland may have been pleading for help behind the scenes.
It was possibly the combination of all of those reasons. Voldemort wasn't an international threat, unlike Grindenwald, who traveled between countries... and other magical countries didn't want to enter a foreign conflict, which could destabilize their own situation. And if Tom Marvolo Riddle limited his conquest to Great Britain, then it's their problem. But that could be on the governmental level, all the while regular witches and wizards might not have known at all.
I think it's likely a combination of fear of escalation leading to death and revelation of the wizarding world, Hugh levels of disagreement over whether voldemort even should be stopped, and a lack of knowledge on the situation and how to deal with it. I am betting that there had already been multiple devastating conflicts with dark wizard's, and after Grindelwald, the world took a Chamberlain approach, among other factors.
There's an old western movie called Stagecoach, where a group of people in a horse drawn coach are chased by an Indian war party. When the 1939 version was released it's director, John Ford, was asked by a clever young reporter why didn't the Indians just shoot the coach's horses? John Ford replied because then the film would have been over in 20 minutes instead of two hours. May have been a similar situation in the novels;).
Does anyone know anything about blue bell flames? Like seriously how the hell did Hermione learn it? And if it's a simple spell then WHY DOESN'T ANYONE ELSE KNOW IT!? Sorry for yelling but I need to know.
@@FlaggermusMann_ Blue bell flames are a type of fire that is immune to water they can be scooped up with you're hands and can be put in a jar. Hermione is the only one who used it. It was used in the first and second and seventh books. And I know that it can be used as a fire for potions as Hermione used it for the poly juice potion in book2. It mostly is used to warm the caster.
Before watching, my theory is the battle between Voldemort and the Order was playing out over large parts of Europe, and Harry (the oblivious jock he is) only paid attention to the stuff going on immediately around him. And since Harry was our perspective character, that means we were blind to what was going on as well.
Individuals from other countries did get involved on both sides of the war. Antonin Dolohov was Russian, Igor Karkaroff was likely from Bulgaria or another Slavic country, and the giants lived somewhere in Scandinavia. On the other hand, Frenchwomen Fleur Delacour and Olympe Maxime both assisted the Order of the Phoenix.
All these explanations are founded on the idea that the international wizarding community was already something Rowling thought of before writing the Harry Potter books. I think the story was always meant to be just the seven books and the international community was tacked onto it later to broaden the opportunity to sell books/films.
Maybe nitpicky, but in Mahoutokoro the OU would simply be a longer O sound, extended to the length of two mora (syllables). it would be Ma-Ho-To-Ko-Ro, but the first O would have a longer duration. Couldn't help say something since I took Japanese at Uni.
I think other countries were already involved whether they wanted it or not. When Hagrid and Mme Maxime went to to the Northern countries where giants live they passed by France and other countries to arrive in the North, they were followed by death eaters. 1. Voldemort violent representatives entered non-british soil to pursue their ennemies, they brought the war to other countries. 2. The Northern countries where the giants live certainly where not happy to see them active. 3. The giants certainly travelled by fought/sea to reach Britain, 1) I don't think Death Eaters would be eager to tranport them by magical means and 2) Giants were suspicious of magic, so they would have probably preferred to travel by their own means. 3) Giants would have brought havock while walking/swimming which would have gotten the local magical community involved whether they wanted it or not because they would have to 1) protect the status of secrecy, 2) protect the safety of muggles and magical creatures of all sorts. Moreover the Albanian Ministry of Magic, and all the countries through which Voldemort travelled with Wormtail to return to Great-Britain, at least, should have known that there was powerful magic being used in their countryside. I don't think Wormtail vould have travelled using magical means with such a weak Voldemort. They knew and ignored it or omitted it. And if they really did pass a pact with Voldemort that he would stay with Great-Britain borders, they were ignorant of WWII lessons, to say the least. Edited spelling and grammar.
Good stuff. I'd wondered about this topic also, which was slightly reinforced by discovering Grindelwald in the United States in the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I think you covered this topic well; thanks for that.
Interesting topic. Begs a lot of questions, which may have been answered in some of the deeper lore that I've missed,but here's the first ones that pop to mind. First and foremost, government likes stability. The icw was apparently both UN like and very much not. They agreed on keeping up the secrecy, but beyond that don't seem to care about consensus. Just the fact that basically every magical nation was a member shows that. Mutual aid has to have an opponent to work against. I guess you could claim that the muggle world is the opponent, butttt: Vol was essentially a destabilizing force. Aside from if other govts cared about internal politics (can't believe they wouldnt). He was trying to subjugate everything not pure blood, including muggles. Kind of hard to keep under wraps to the "normal" world. Which would seriously imperil magical secrecy. And this ties back to the first point: it makes no sense for any govt to be so apathetic to what's going on elsewhere. People just aren't built like that. A ruling power w/o spies? A govt that doesn't care about influencing other govts won't exist long.....actually that's a good story idea.
I simply think other countries didn't see him as such a big threat. As far as I know Voldemort only operated in Great Britain and also both wizarding wars didn't leave the islands, unlike for example Grindelwald who waged evil in many countrys. Also he never even got full control over Great Britain
My biggest question for this was since Voldemort made his return during the TriWizard Tournament and after the death of Dumbledore, where where was Madame Maxine/Beaubatons and Karkorof/Durmstrang?
Madam Maxime went to look up the giants with Hagrid. As for the rest of her school and Durmstrang, well they're schools not military bootcamps. It's not really their jobs to fight international wars.
I like the believe in a dark irony, out side of the English/European wizarding sphere, Voldemort was a non existing threat. A lot of people be like “Volde-who?” Just to show the level of thread Voldemort was truly insignificant out side of Harry’s Hogwarts centers world view. Harry was still a boy playing as a man in real war till the end of the deathly hollows. Pazu’ acted more of an adult than Harry and he was half Harry’s age, facing dangerous heights and soldiers shooting at him with guns.
Well, Harry Potter is world famous. Remember how it said every child in our world will know his name, so I think that the international confederation of wizards should have protected Harry and help fight against Voldemort.
The world saw Voldemort as Britain’s problem when he came back, the boy who lived was 14 at the time and had succeeded in surviving the encounter, and it was obvious he wasn’t a big a threat as he was the first time for that reason, if Harry had failed they might have stayed out of it for fear of being invaded, because if Harry didn’t succeed.. well no one would have because they don’t know about his horcruxes
The answer is, as per usual, that the HP world was not very well thought out from the beginning. I appreciate channels like this for trying to fill in the blanks and connect the dots tho.
You just randomly started talking about politics and stuff like and then snapped back to fantasy! This is really good ! And 5:10 just randomly have satellite up there 😆
Didn't Charlie go an recruit foreign volunteers? Hagrid's experience with the giants shows that both the Order and the death eaters where trying to recruit abroad, even with only the giants. I think it far more likely foreign volunteers were there, just not people that Harry would have know and therefore remained unnamed in the final battle.
1.Didn't know is insane Dumbledore was Supreme Muguwump which is head of like the UN or something so they knew but didn't care. 2. I doubt they all had civil wars because it all looked mainly like a British problem 3. He was a threat to the Secrecy problem 4. Domestic problem maybe but it was a secrecy problem 5. Most didn't support for they didn't support Grindelwald
i think house elves would have been a better comparison than goblins since house elves were actually mistreated whereas goblins were as brutal as wizards and it was more tit for tat with wizards refusing wands for goblins and goblins refusing to teach their 'blacksmithing' skills, for lack of a better term, to the wizards.
They DIDN'T KNOW ?!? 🤯😅 After the Dark Mark was cast during the Quidditch WORLD CUP, where it was seen by witches and wizards from all around the world ? Don't tell me the rest of the International Magic Community never followed through on that event, ESPECIALLY after the death of a student during the Triwizard Tournament. The English Ministry of Magic was also SO involved with the whole denying Voldemort's return, before finally admitting it, that it's IMPOSSIBLE that other countries were NOT aware of the whole thing.
I'd go with a mix of all of them as well some may also might not want to make themselves into a target but they could not stop their own citizens as Dumbledore also wanted foreign witches and wizards in the Order of the Phoenix. The international community got together against Grindelwald as he was a threat to all of them
Just like any other war. Most countries don't intervene until it becomes an immediate threat to their own. I'd say it's most likely they didn't see him as a threat. I mean, he got bodies by a bunch of teenagers.
Why didn't Dumbledore train Harry to fight, or have him join a dueling club early on? He knew about Voldy boi and the many followers that would gladly kill Harry. Even the Weasley's, Lupin(aside from a patronus), Sirius, the real Moody(Constant Vigilance???) ... everyone knew he had powerful enemies that may come for him at any time. Even if he wanted Harry to live a "normal" life.. It's not like Harry didn't know about the dangers he was in after book 1. Aside from looking up and learning spells for the DA... What real training was he getting?
Thanks for watching folks! Did you ever ask yourself this question? What conclusion did YOU come to? Leave a comment down below!
Honestly, I think they didnt really care for England or and about Voldemort. Seeing how hostile the other schools of magic are in terms of relation and interaction with others(as we see in the 4th book) its possible to think they didnt want to interact with the other wizard although its weird to think like that because Voldemort was clearly gonna expand his influence if he had gained control of England. Pretty confusing!
Thanks for all the work you put into this channel, it is much appreciated 🙌🏼
Because it wasnt convenient to the plot, Thats why. Why make excuses for JK's plotholes?
@@SagaciousNihilist maybe the other countrys were too scared to unlishe Voldys wrath🤔
@@SagaciousNihilist what is it with all the Rowling hate? 🫤
They all looked at his picture and said "Hell nah, we're closing the country" while silently praying that the boy who lived defeated Voldy somehow
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Everyone outside Europe also knew who Harry was?
@@hassanmasood186 not everyone but he was popular
Not many people survive the killing curse
@@rajikage3098 not anyone who gets hit directly like Harry 😂
Brah shut up lmao 🤣😂💀😭
Considering how obstructionist Fudge was, I wouldn't be surprised if some foreign wizarding governments didn't see the danger Voldemort posed and sent people to Britain to warn/offer to deal with him themselves but were rebuffed by the pigheaded Fudge every time, who I am certainly would have either flat out denied Voldemort's existence or assured them "everything is under control." And by the time Fudge was ousted and replaced by Scrimgor, its likely by that point it was too late to ask the rest of the wizarding community for help, or they were too embarrassed by Fudge's debacle to do it.
good point!
That's my theory, with the US Wizarding Government/MACUSA after Rappaport's Law was finally repealed in 1965 would've sent representatives and Aurors to help in both Wizarding Wars deal with Voldemort probably using the argument "Once Voldemort conquers Great Britain what's to stop him from crossing the Atlantic and trying to conquer the US." with Minister during the first Wizarding War refusing MACUSA's aid for some unknown reason and Fudge refusing due to well Fudge being a corrupt, colossal idiot.
And I think MACUSA would definitely have believed Voldemort was making his comeback after the attack during the Quidditch World Cup which was an international event which would see the heads of the various Wizarding Governments from across the Globe including the President of MACUSA along with his/her Auror bodyguards arrive in Great Britain to watch the event. I think after the attack and ensuing battle during the Quidditch World and returning to New York the President of MACUSA would've began ordering preparations for a 2nd Wizarding War and Voldemort's return realizing that like during the last war that if Great Britian fell America would've possibly been next on Voldemort's list of targets and that it wouldn't be really hard for Voldemort and his Death Eater Army to cross the Atlantic Ocean and attack America. But Fudge being the idiot he was would've refused MACUSA's help since due to his pigheadedness/stupidity would've believed his American Counterpart was getting worked up over nothing and was "preparing for a war that isn't going to happen."
Or Rowling hadn't really fleshed out the ICW at that point, beyond Dumbledore being the Supreme Mugwump. A lot of her world building came after the Harry Potter series was over.
And she didn't want it to be so one sided for more of the good side would come since it's from far and the government forces them to come, and she wanted to leave it only to Brittin pretty much so that it's not a world wide conflict and the stakes to high
The thing is, out of universe explanations don't work to explain these questions. Whether she fleshed it out or not, the Wizarding world is a world, and thus, decisions lead to consequences. So these countries had to have reasons - even some as simple as "we didn't know"
true, and its just not that important to the plot. Its still a book series made for kids and young adults (i know, every age read them) and there is no need for global wizard politics
exactly. She didn't finish her world building at all. Didn't fulfill the many promises of addressing bigotry, and unity either. There will be another Voldemort since none of the issues that created him were addressed and the series basically ended in the same position that it ended.
@@Pysnpai Oh please, not the progressive Utopian dream even in HP. Is nothing sacred?
It should also be pointed out that the second war against Voldemort (between his return being publicly acknowledged and his defeat) lasted less than two years. Other wizarding governments may not have had time to devise and implement proper responses. Bureaucracy moves notoriously slow.
not to mention the complete change of policy in briten and the different messages that would be sent out, i would think the ministry when voldermort was in charge, and his followers was doin their best to discredit any info the resistence would try to send out, and that there would be a lot of measures put in place by voldermort and his ministry to have any information from the resistence stopped or alterd in some ways and harsh punishments to anyone found out beeing involved. afther all they wasent afraid of using kidnaping of family members, torture murder etc.
@@baldrian22 great point. There wasn't social media posts that would make the situation obvious to wizards abroad as well...
their response would be instant if it was dire. In the world wars nations just bypassed their own Bureaucracy
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I think the key is misinformation. We have to keep in mind, barely anyone knew about Voldemort having a horcrux (more than one of course). Even Dumbledore didn’t know until half blood prince. So the other wizarding communities probably thought it’s just a “random” dark wizard messing around, nothing that the british ministry couldn’t handle. Had they known the full extent of Voldemorts powers, they surely would have watched closer and most likely had come to support
Toss in the fact that when Dumbledore was alive they likely thought the situation was relatively under control.
@@sammycakes8778And well.... it wasn't a secret that Voldemort feared Dumbledore.
Like in hindsight (fleshed out etc), Dumbledore was already considered more or less the only one who was Grindelwalds equal back in the 1920s.
In the first Wizarding War of Great-Brittain, I think an non-interventionalist/Isolationist approach was taken. The first priority of a lot of magical community was stopping the spread of Voldemorts ideology in other countries and hunt down those who might follow in his footsteps. We know from the likes of Karkaroff that Voldemorts ideas would also find fruitful ground in European nations. So I think they were more focussed on finding and putting down similar movements in their own country before looking to Great Brittain. An each for their own approach. During the second Wizarding War things got even more complex. When the first news broke Voldemort had returned, the Ministry declared it all a lie, a year later, they had to confess that he did had return and another year later they were the Ministry. Intervening in a regional conflict was one thing, declaring war on another Ministry was something entirely else. Isolating the UK and hoping for the best was the best thing they could do for the time. Also something interesting I hadn't thought of before but who took Crouch office after he was murdered by his son? If it was a death eater, there is no telling what information the outside world got from the ministry but probably something that greatly benefitted Voldemorts agenda.
TL;DR: In the first war, there was likely more focus on trying to prevent similar groups from rising in their countries, in the second, by the time the threat was clear, the only way to stop Voldemort was declaring War on Brittain.
Wasn't it Percy that got Crouch's job after GOF?
It was said they gave him the job because he could have info on the Order.
@@taillesswolf You are misremembering. While not explicitely stated, he was likely under probation during the Crouch Affair for not noticing that his boss wasn't himself but after the return of Voldemort, after GOF, he was promoted to Junior Assistent of the Minister (according to Arthur Weasley, because it would allow Fudge some insight on the Weasley family and through them the Order and Dumbledore).
Someone else had been promoted to Head of the Department of International Magical Co-operation, whom isn't mentioned but given the influence that Lucius Malfoy had at the time, it would have been the perfect time to put forward someone who was sympathetic to the Death Eater agenda. It also helped that Fudge wanted to quell any rumor of the Dark Lord's return, so that person would have an even easier job if it was an agent of the Dark Lord.
You know that England is in Europe?
@@julianthaler2741 I'm well-aware of that and yes, it would have been better, more correct if I wrote other European nations when I talked about Voldemorts idea being fruitful in OTHER European Nations as well, but I think people understood well enough. Wherever Karkaroff is from (I believe Eastern Europe), the ideas of Voldemort must have spread there for him to travel to the UK to join the Death Eaters (though, thinking of it, he might have been a foreign exchange student at one point, studying a year at Hogwarts with someone from Hogwarts studying abroad at Durmstrang for a year, giving how he said: dear old Hogwarts)... The point remains, the closest magical communities (those of mainland Europe would likely have focussed more on preventing their own Voldemorts from rising, inspired by the British Dark Wizard.
Another facet that should be added is the potential of Voldemort sympathizers fanning the flames in their own country and creating local issues. I'm sure that many wizarding governments around the world have difficulties with their own pureblood supremacists and dangerous magical creatures, and Voldemort, as part of his greater scheme of domination, could have been prodding at those issues so that the other governments were too preoccupied about the British wizards suddenly dealing with Voldemort and an abrupt change in policy.
Most likely the world is more inclined to have pureblood ideas.
I’ve never really thought about this, but it’s possible they didn’t get involved because the threat posed by Lord Voldemort never reached far beyond Great Britain.
But if these countries actually supported Voldemort, wouldn't they have come out and aided him somehow? Questions of their interference wouldn't apply in their case, would they, at least not from their viewpoint. I also think the countries which stayed out of it would have been forced first to decide where their loyalties lay, then act in one hell of a hurry had Voldemort proven victorious. As always, love the points raised.
Well if countries who supported voldemort would have aided him then the countries who didn't would have a good excuse to intervene as well, possibly leading to a world war
Why would they? There are currently countries supporting Russia and countries supporting Ukraine, but they don't go there and fight. Could be the same with the wizards.
loyalty ? put your loyalty in your butt mate. No one is loyal to your shitty country. We just co exist in this world.
@@Normg49 Again you can support an ideology without supporting the person themself. A lot of person in the world agreed with brexit and a lot were against it. You didn't saw them ask for the britain nationality and vote.
2 new theories is that
1) the international community had just defeated Grindlewald and was not in the mood for a second dark wizard and
2) Dumbledore actually may have started to thwart Voldemort before the international community got involved
I don't think the other countries didn't see the big deal about Voldemort. After all, he acted internationally, even though the wars themselves took place in Britain. So did Gellert Grindelwald, who is said to be second most evil to Voldemort, and he spread international terror. Britain would otherwise just have ignored the imploring for help that came from Eastern Europe. So other governments would probably try to prevent that terror from rising again. It is also unlikely that they didn't know, as Voldemort is often referred to as the most powerful wizard of all time. People would have heard about him, right? Furthermore, after the Quidditch World Cup, an international sports event, the dark mark appeared. News of this would have reached parts of the participating nations. Throughout the books, it is hinted that Britain’s ministry is a pretty big player in international politics. It has spies at least in Tibet, and Aurors are fed information from all over the planet. If Britain had a power issue, it would be likely that most nations would know. I also doubt any other European nation was engaged in war at that time, as that would certainly have appeared in the Daily Prophet. Or Ron might have known it from his dad, who might know it from the Auror department and its spies. And about that last theory… Well, sure, there’s a lot of conservative states in the wizarding world. But to believe in pure blood superiority doesn’t mean to support the brutal slaying of muggles and muggle-born wizards and witches. Pulling up the example of Gellert Grindelwald once more: Durmstrang supported Dark Magic and certain amounts of racism towards non-pure blood wizards and witches. But they still kicked him out. I know this example is weak, as it refers to Dark Magic, rather than racism, but still: Durmstrang knew where to draw the line between being conservative Dark wizard and being extremist.
Personally, I believe the other countries waited for the dust to settle in Britain. If Britain won the war, then everyone could have been happy with themselves. Had Britain lost, one could still have fought Voldemort. And I don’t doubt that many would have liked to bring a weakened after-war Britain under their control and reinforce their own power… After all, Britain did bring forth some of the greatest magical powers of all time, and with those a reputation of strength.
Thanks for this great Video! I’d probably never have asked myself that question without it! Keep up the great content.
I think it’s most likely a combination of the following two factors among the many you mention:
1) At least some wizarding governments and/or societies across the world supported Voldemort and the Death Eaters, at the very least discreetly. Most likely in regions of Europe east of the Rhine and north of the Baltic, most of the Middle East, and much of Asia.
2) The international wizarding community at large took a heavy non-interventionalist approach while securing their own societies. Particularly from seeing what happened to the German Ministry of Magic (and potentially many other wizarding governments at the time) during the Fantastic Beasts films during the rise and height of Grindelwald’s power, which only happened 25-50+ years over the course of both wizarding wars, I don’t think any of them were willing to take a chance at openly fighting against Voldemort, the Death Eaters, and their allies without risk of infiltration and discreet overthrows of their governments, as well as attacks on the wizards and witches they respectively served.
Also, it won't be easy to move big forces to once place to an another country without the muggles discovering their existence. And Voldemort wasn't a threat for other countries at that time. So there was no reason for international movements.
I’m so glad you’re covering this because it has always driven me kinda crazy. Why is the story so confined to this one school and group for the most part.
Because it is called "Harry Potter and ...", so it makes sense to focus on him and his group of friends. Also, it sold a lot of books being that way. When it comes to world-building Rowling sure is no Tolkien.
@ oh no. Not at all. That's not a knock on her but, there isn't going to be another John Tolkien.
Grindelwald was on a global scale and Voldemort was only on a national scale. Is it possible that after Grindelwald, the Wizarding World thought that radical deglobalising was going to be potentially the smartest solution to prevent a Grindelwald figure from arising again, only for them to be proven both somewhat right and somewhat wrong by Voldemort?
I want to see Russia's magic community. I'm curious if the Russian witches and wizards lived under a Soviet wizarding union, or if they hid from the communists and formed their own government. I know the soviets experimented with psychic abilities and stuff, so it could be very interesting if there's a third wizarding franchise
And Hitler had groups formed to research the occult. His connection to the magical community could be another topic. Might be interesting?
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1) Hitler and Indiana Jones movies
Hitler signed Indy's book as they search for the sacred chalice.
2) Hitler and Hellboy first movie
Hitler wanted Hellboy in the first movie, but the Americans got HB first.
Another interesting community to visit would be the Indian community, because a lot of spiritual concepts emerged there
@@drishalballaney
Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman
Lots of mountainside Indian medicine and vision quests.
@@erichanastacio9695 yep, specially the saints who have achieved the complete control over their surroundings, pranic/chi healing etc
I think it's probably is a mix of all of them. Alongside, Wizarding priorities are very different from muggle ones. Wizards an witches have a lifespan that Is twice that of ours. Or around 200 years. Which means politics and policies of 1800s are likely still the norm. Which is to say the Wizarding world lags behind the muggle one.
For me only explanation that sorta-kinda works is that they didn't know (a.k.a. were convinced by magic ministry of foreign affairs, which was take over by Voldemorts' supporters).
If I remember correctly Voldemors' goal was to subjugate everyone to his rule and taking over magic community was only stepping stone. This threatened masquerade itself and thus endangered all wizards across world - it wasn't mere internal affair any more.
Really really wish they would expand further outside of the UK and USA with the story line in the future. After watching your channel I realized how MUCH Potiential there still is!!! Exciting!!!
3 movie happens in Brazil and Berlin.
I think it comes down to the fact that, compaired to Grendlewald, Voldemort was small potatos.
When Gelart Grendlewald was gathering followers he was a one man international incident. Everything he did was in the name of Wizard Supremacy. And he had thousands of followers across the world with some who were of high political authority.
By comperison, Voldemort was a localized threat who was likely seen as a copycat and a wanna be by the international community. And the second time around they'd have called BS on him coming back from the dead. Especially with the whole 3 years he was back being filled with conflicting reports on the matter. They may have even considered it someone impersonating Voldemort and thus a pretender OF a pretender.
Honestly voldemort was way more powerfull then grindewald, no one in the wizzard community dared to speak his name out of fear of what might have happend to them or their families
“ everything he did was in the Wizard supremacy “ so did volwemort really, he wanted pure bloods, not mixed with muggles etc etc, had the whole minestary corrupted, volwemort was way more of a threat, didnt hesitate to kill, or force people to do as he likes them to do, grindewalt was all talk and gotten a following through it, voldemort striked fear and didnt hesitate to kill.
Eventho I like these videos, there is no real reason as its just based on the books / movies and speculation from the outside vieuwership trying to keep harry potter alive, but based upon hp and fantastic beast its 100% voldemort > grindewald
@@ThRsSkiller Thats the thing though. Voldemort isn't more powerful. Dumbledor hard stops Voldemort to the point that Voldemort had to resort to indirect methods to kill him. Grendlewald on the other hand was Dumbledor's equal in nearly everyway.
Now, the question is, if Grendlewald hadn't spent years in a cell and had the ability (or desire) to defend himself, how well would Voldy's Dark Magic have stood up against all the power Grendlewald had at his disposal?
My bet is that it would have been the same powr dynamic as The Ministry Battle. Only, unlike Dumbledor, Gelart wouldn't have pulled his punches.
@@kaimagnus5760 Voldemort is canonically more powerful than Grindelwald. Dumbledore had a loyal Elder Wand when fighting him so Dumbledore could not have lost. We don't know how Dumbledore v Grindelwald duel will go but all the FB movies seem to point to that Grindelwald might surrender by his own free will in the end.
Grindelwald certainly seems more powerful in terms of allies though. He seems to have a much bigger set of supporters.
@@RnRnR Uuuuuh yeah we do know how Dumbledor vs Grindelwald went. That movie's already come and gone.
Sounds like politics, so yeah you're probably right lol
Voldemort failed to kill a baby, failed to keep his subordinates in line despite the imperius curse existing, failed to win the first wizarding war, failed to kill an old man and had some else kill him, failed to kill people on several occasions, and failed to take over a high-school full of teachers not on his power level and literal children. You wonder why nobody is afraid of him?
I was always under the impression that Death Eaters around the world would spring up and cause trouble, so while they didn't have to deal with Voldemort personally like Great Britain, the other countries were still fighting...
Just like the Red scare in 1950s America. Hollywood attempted to stop out commies before it spread. Take out the trash at the source. Airways say.😁
I think the only realistic in-universe explanation is that the rise of Grindelwald and his ability to manipulate the entire international magical community caused them to isolate themselves so that internal threats within individual countries stayed self-contained. It would explain why there was a lot of collaboration between the US/UK/French wizarding communities before and during Grindelwald's rise but very little afterward.
Dumbledore had contacts all over the world so they certainly knew about Voldemort, also in Half Blood Prince Dumbledore says that Tom Riddle was known all over the world as Lord Voldemort.
Britain: *Experiencing Voldemort and many tragedies involving death eaters*
Everyone else: *Swipes left*
What if the trio allowed Lupin to accompany them during their horcrux hunt?
That would be a cool theory
They wouldn't have been captured by the Snatchers.
They don't have the wolf bane potion during full moon.
@@erichanastacio9695 I bet Hermione could have made it. I mean she also made poly juice potion when she was 12 which also should be extremely difficult to make.
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It's a long complicated process wherein Lupin trusted only Snape's expertise; and the constant travel might mess up their potion making. And where can they get sufficient supply for the potion?
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What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
In the book "Magical Beasts and where to find them" it said the Patronus charm can also ward off a lethifold. (living shroud)
1) Can be used as a nightlight
2) Can deliver messages like the Patronous Lynx warned them "The Ministry has fallen."
3) Lure Harry to the location of the sword.
I think Rowling just didn't think of the global wizarding community when creating the Harry Potter series. We first see other wizarding countries in the Fantastic Beasts. Even if they didn't want to intervene, there would be some scenes where for example Dumbledore would try to convince other ministers to become allies with Britain. Of course, Voldemort would surely try that too. That happened in the Fantastic Beasts, just with Grindewald. Just look at the fact that Rowling even tried to put some foreign allies for example the Giants, Elves and more.
My biggest question is why Harry didn't say anything to the Order when after he realized Gregorovitch was the next target. Yet he just proceeded to the party , I understand he got side tracked wanting to know more about Dumbledore but I would have thought this would have save the poor man if he said something.
Well the order members were being watched. The Weasleys even had to go into hiding. I'm not sure how much they could do after the ministry fell.
I think it's just a British-centric story. Even when you look at Ilvermorny. There's no way the Native Americans didn't have a wizarding school. And it would obviously be in the cliffside masterpiece of Mesa Verde, Colorado. Not a school in Massachusetts set up by English and Irish people.
I imagine the Natives had their own, smaller schools? Like in Africa, there are a lot of small schools, but one very large one. I’m pretty sure she mentioned Native American magic, at some point.
By the begining of DH the ministry had already quietly fallen to Voldemort. International intervention would have meant declaring war on Britain itself, and possible putting the entire wizarding word at risk of collapse. Like in the real world, the geopolitical implications often out way the moral dilemma.
I think that if Voldermort had seceded in the UK him and the Death Eaters would have acted like the Nazi's in 1937 and started trying to take over other Wizarding Worlds.
I’ve always had many many questions about all of these topics, but then I simply pose the question…..what really did Voldemort want? Power? To rule the world? A war with muggles? It’s really never made truly clear; however I honestly believe he just wanted to do his thing. Live forever by his own rules and just do him sort of thing (Kill a few ppl here and there, not pay taxes ect lol) but other then that I really don’t think he was all that concerned with total world domination…..and he’s my reasoning, for most of the second wizarding war his main concern was killing Harry Potter, that’s one of the main reasons took over the ministry, but what about during the first war? When he first came to power the prophecy about the boy wasn’t made yet so he was literally just doing him, therefore I feel like if he was concerned about ruling the world he would have been doing things then to warrant the attention of other nations/countries so when he returned the international confederation of wizards would have been on him…but he never did…. So IJUSTDK what exactly he was up too. ……….🤷🏾♀️
There’s one world of and for Wizards … You mean other countries
@@kwamanesargent8834 i don't think Voldemort actually want anything. He despise love, he don't want power, he use Imperio to form a false goverment, he don't want money, and not sex neither. Although he claim he want to build a pure blood socity, ironcially, he is a halfblood himself. all we see is his hatray, madness. i think he just want to see the world ruin under his doing.
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How much pull did other schools have with their governments ? After Goblet of Fire certainly Beauxbatons and Durmstrang would have recognized Voldy as a serious threat did Karkaroff and Maxime just not have the "swag and voice " that Dumbledore carried ?
Yeah if Madam Maxime was willing to help Hagrid try and reason with the giants then she should have been willing to help fight Voldemort.
I think, they might have feared a world war if they involved themselves in the matter, with Wizarding Communities from all over the world dividing each other into Voldemort Supporters and Adversaries. This might have resulted in a huge international fight, dividing other countries themselves and threatening peace in their country and the statute of secrecy. So I believe it's a mix of all the points mentioned. Great topic btw, I really enjoy your videos!
I like to think that in Britain everyone is scrambling around in terror because of Voldemort while the rest of the wizarding world is just pointing and laughing. “THIS guy is the one who overthrew your entire government?? Are you kidding me??”
Counter Argument: Voldemort's objective was not just to overthrow the loval government, he saught out to also use lethal force to force mugels into what is essentially slavery. An act that would expose he wizarding world and by doing so, probably start a greater world war between muggles and magic. He was by far the biggest threat to their existance. From his prespective, anyone without magic was a laughing joke and to a degree, he might not be wrong. Magic puts a lot of power in the hands of the few who have it and while I have yet to see a character use any spells that stop a unending spread of bullets, they absolutly had the means to undermine and dismantle muggle militaries if not give them a run for their money in the course of a few minutes. They would still suffer losses though. Great losses.
My Theory: There is no in universe reason. From my understanding, the content following the original HP books came after HP and from the way the stories play out, I would even say that the rest of the governments didn't exist while she was writing Harry Potter. IE, its a plot hole. An understandable one though. JKRolling was a writer first, not a world-builder first. And while World-building is by far apart of the writing process, at the time these books were written, I doubt she ever thought those books would get finished or see the light of day. So, from her prespective, expanding the lore and history of the HP world was just not her priority.
Best IU Response: The best she could do is just have Volds return a rumored mystery to the greater world, nothing else. The last Prime Minister spent a great deal of time rejecting the idea that Vold had returned. At which point he was already getting double agents in the ministry. He had at least one agent already deeply invested in the ministry for a great deal of time (Mouthvoy) (Sorry for spelling, too lazy to look it up). So even when the minister finally accepted his return, they probably did their best to make sure the news didn't break outside their borders or, if it did, play it off as if there was no threat. We saw at the start of Boox Seven and Film Seven that the Ministry remained very confident in its ability to oppose Voldemort. A ploy and show of strength that was non-existant considering Vold already has the Ministry in his pocket. He had the means to downplay his threat to other governments and kept this sherade going about the Ministry being strong while slowly warping the Ministry into his vision. It is practical. I would expect this from Vold, and it covers the lore gap between project developments.
A video on the wizarding world and their involvement in the world wars could be interesting
Please make a video about what people's boggarts would be
I think the isolationist theory works the best. It's the natural state of all witches and wizards to live in secret. A global war would have outed them all.
Naw coz they all got together to defeat grindlewald so I don’t know like
@@liamgardner6033 Are you referring to the Magic Beasts franchise? I'm reluctant to accept them as 'canon Potter'.
At the end of the day, the war was about some guy who wanted to kill another guy and both guys had their friends try to help them. If Harry had of been killed any one of the many times Voldy attacked him, I wonder what he would have done after?
We actually know of two murders that Voldemort committed outside Britain after his return: Gregorovitch and Grindelwald. Whether the relevant magical governments knew or suspected that it was Voldemort's doing is another question.
There was also that family Voldemort murdered while looking for Gregorovitch
Yeah, forgot about that. I somehow suspect they were muggles, and it seems that Ministries of Magic don't always take muggle murders seriously (the UK Ministry, for instance, looked for the Riddles' murderer -- but took no interest when Frank Bryce, the caretaker at Riddle manor, was killed).
Yes but no mass murders. Or public appearances stating his evil mission. Unfortunately a couple deaths here and there may not be enough. As for killing G & G, the battle of Hogwarts happened pretty fast after that so the other countries may not have had time to make a decision.
@@kaiw522 Good points. I was thinking in this context about dictators sending agents abroad to kill dissidents in exile: even when the governments where the murders took place know (or suspect) the truth about these killings, they're not very likely to start a war over them.
I think Voldemort would try and conquer other countries after he had conquered Britain
Of course both Muggle and wizard forces would take him out on the spot.
The one thing Fantastic Beast showed was just how localized the threat of Voldemort was. Because Voldemort was so localized the rest of the world viewed the "Wizarding Wars" the same way the real world viewed the Northern Ireland Conflict, aka The Troubles. Bad, something to keep an eye on but ultimately a regional issue.
My MACUSA theory, Wizarding Britain is considered a backwoods Hatfields and McCoy's, Taking over a Banjo-level Inbred town. They were likely trying to figure out how to put together a strike-force with needed infrastructure since, in order to stay Statute of Secrecy Compliant, MACUSA had to modernize to keep up with the No-Mag, that meant training to do without any Magi-Tech they might have and the Wards the British Magical World likely have to keep Magicals from really knowing about Muggles.
Sorry for the meandering post.
Voldemort was taken as one of the weird things about Britain, like toast sandwich or driving the the left. Only Grindy was a global menace.
Over a month in, and i still find the thumbnail funny. It's like Voldemort resigning to the reality that no one helped him. He's like, "Oh well.. hee hee"
Think about the muggle world for a second. Most of the time other countries do not get involved in another country's civil war.
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1) Impossible, Wizard International Confederation and newspapers talking of overseas criminals were already a thing during Grindelwald.
2) Maybe, but unlikely, World Wars had no significant impact on wizards.
3 and 4) These are exactly the plausible concomitant cases. The battle started inside the UK amongst British wizards, like a civil war. To avoid open war, they would've intervened only if other wizarding communities would've been threatened. That's what happens between humans in general.
5) Certainly some supported Voldemort as some in the US were initially attracted to Hitlers ideas (Ford one of those). Some countries might've been on his side, like possibly Albania's wizarding world given the strong connection.
I think it has more to do with JK Rowling not wanting to adapt very different foreign cultures into an European Wizard setting because she lacks a deep understanding of them.
She fleshed out Norwegian and French wizards in Goblet of Fire but only dwelved deeply on America with Fantastic Beasts later after probably studing USA culture of the period she wanted to depict.
If she placed so much care into making non-british Europeans and North American characters appear as authentic wizard counterparts to their cultures I believe she will either take an even longer time studying Japan, Uganda or Brazil if she writes stories about their wizards or just avoid them all together in order not to depict shallow stereotypes like making Japanese wizards into ninjas.
An in Universe explanation to this problem comes from the jarring fact some Death Eaters came from other European countries than UK. Voldemort's agents were infiltrated throughout Europe and America with the explicit purpose of subverting other magic governments and organizations into supporting his cause or at least not directly opposing it. Grindelwald had done the same thing before but his explicit goal of exposing wizardkind to muggles burned any bridge he had when he put his plans into action.
What Cursed Child shows is that, had Voldemort succeeded, he would have continued to rule from the shadows without trying to impose open control of muggles by wizards thus not directly threatening the ICW's main purpose. Voldemort would have also backed dark wizard coups across several countries and used those sympathetic or puppet regimes as allied votes in ICW's decisions.
An important difference between Voldemort's era and Grindelwald's era was the invention of nuclear weapons by muggles, with UK possessing an arsenal of those. If an international coallition of wizards came knocking at his door with a massive army he could Imperio the British PM and several military commanders into starting WW3 which would kill most wizards from fallout even if magic centers weren't directly targeted.
Japanese Wizard: There's only one magic we understand well.
*fellow wizard throws a kunai imbedding deep into a throat of a deatheater*
"Very well, indeed."
(Total honesty, I would be down for that!)
Though you do make a good point about international involvement potentially spinning into a full scale world war and the destruction of Britain itself in the chaos. Double so for nukes! Wizards would've been fully revealed and.... yeah it would be very bloody for a large chunk of the world.
Not having a nose was the biggest asset for voldemort.
Okay, just to get on topic:
The books and movies are centered around Harry with his perception. Sooo... It is not mentioned that other countries helped. Of course not, since Harry cannot be everywhere, the books nor the movies are a complete history of the wizarding war, it is just the story of a few individuals who happen to be at the center of the whole mess. Sure there are more than the few battlefields mentioned, sure there are more than two factions at play. It's a war. Who knows what was lurking in the shadows, maybe a fully fledged intervention was on its way if the English were not able to stop Voldemorts movement in its tracks. Also we do not know what happened at the borders of the british isles. In fact, we do not know for large portions of time what Voldemort actually did. Only a few glimpses, when Harry had his visions. Maybe he was fending of an intervention while Harry, Ron and Hermione where teleporting through the country for weeks.
We simply do not have a complete picture from the Books.
We know that Madame Maxime was helping in the fight. She may have been gathering French supporters. I imagine the other governments sadly took the same attitude we take in the real world when there's a civil war. We ignore it. Had he attached another nation, or directly attacked the British muggle government they may have intervened. If he won the battle of Hogwarts, I imagine they would have intervened. News would have spread quickly that the staff and students of the school, the creatures of the forrest, house elves and residents of Hogsmead had been slaughtered. That's more difficult to ignore. Also worth noting that Britain and Ireland are entirely seperate magical nations. Northern Ireland isn't a thing within magical borders. I imagine there was cooperation to take special care with muggleborns and to ensure the Irish troubles didn't spread. But... Ireland didn't have a large enough magical population to justify its own magical school. It had ti use Hogwarts. Ireland may have been pleading for help behind the scenes.
It was possibly the combination of all of those reasons. Voldemort wasn't an international threat, unlike Grindenwald, who traveled between countries... and other magical countries didn't want to enter a foreign conflict, which could destabilize their own situation. And if Tom Marvolo Riddle limited his conquest to Great Britain, then it's their problem. But that could be on the governmental level, all the while regular witches and wizards might not have known at all.
Oh my god never thought about this
I think it's likely a combination of fear of escalation leading to death and revelation of the wizarding world, Hugh levels of disagreement over whether voldemort even should be stopped, and a lack of knowledge on the situation and how to deal with it. I am betting that there had already been multiple devastating conflicts with dark wizard's, and after Grindelwald, the world took a Chamberlain approach, among other factors.
There's an old western movie called Stagecoach, where a group of people in a horse drawn coach are chased by an Indian war party. When the 1939 version was released it's director, John Ford, was asked by a clever young reporter why didn't the Indians just shoot the coach's horses? John Ford replied because then the film would have been over in 20 minutes instead of two hours. May have been a similar situation in the novels;).
Does anyone know anything about blue bell flames? Like seriously how the hell did Hermione learn it? And if it's a simple spell then WHY DOESN'T ANYONE ELSE KNOW IT!? Sorry for yelling but I need to know.
Would you mind refreshing my memory? I finished reading the books again a couple months ago but I don’t remember blue bell flames 😅
@@FlaggermusMann_ Blue bell flames are a type of fire that is immune to water they can be scooped up with you're hands and can be put in a jar. Hermione is the only one who used it. It was used in the first and second and seventh books. And I know that it can be used as a fire for potions as Hermione used it for the poly juice potion in book2. It mostly is used to warm the caster.
Just bc a spell is only shown to be used a few Times dosent mean its used more
Before watching, my theory is the battle between Voldemort and the Order was playing out over large parts of Europe, and Harry (the oblivious jock he is) only paid attention to the stuff going on immediately around him. And since Harry was our perspective character, that means we were blind to what was going on as well.
Individuals from other countries did get involved on both sides of the war. Antonin Dolohov was Russian, Igor Karkaroff was likely from Bulgaria or another Slavic country, and the giants lived somewhere in Scandinavia. On the other hand, Frenchwomen Fleur Delacour and Olympe Maxime both assisted the Order of the Phoenix.
But didn't he meet nagini in a different country? How is it domestic?
All these explanations are founded on the idea that the international wizarding community was already something Rowling thought of before writing the Harry Potter books. I think the story was always meant to be just the seven books and the international community was tacked onto it later to broaden the opportunity to sell books/films.
not rly, the 4th movie introduced internationality in the wizarding world.
Have you forgotten GoF?
Maybe nitpicky, but in Mahoutokoro the OU would simply be a longer O sound, extended to the length of two mora (syllables). it would be Ma-Ho-To-Ko-Ro, but the first O would have a longer duration. Couldn't help say something since I took Japanese at Uni.
0:21/10:22 yes he is.
Very insightful essay, handsome!
Every Dark Lord gangsta until the American wizards show up in helicopters playing Fortunate Son.
Thanks for taking on this question, actually asked that myself once or twice before
I think other countries were already involved whether they wanted it or not. When Hagrid and Mme Maxime went to to the Northern countries where giants live they passed by France and other countries to arrive in the North, they were followed by death eaters.
1. Voldemort violent representatives entered non-british soil to pursue their ennemies, they brought the war to other countries.
2. The Northern countries where the giants live certainly where not happy to see them active.
3. The giants certainly travelled by fought/sea to reach Britain, 1) I don't think Death Eaters would be eager to tranport them by magical means and 2) Giants were suspicious of magic, so they would have probably preferred to travel by their own means.
3) Giants would have brought havock while walking/swimming which would have gotten the local magical community involved whether they wanted it or not because they would have to 1) protect the status of secrecy, 2) protect the safety of muggles and magical creatures of all sorts.
Moreover the Albanian Ministry of Magic, and all the countries through which Voldemort travelled with Wormtail to return to Great-Britain, at least, should have known that there was powerful magic being used in their countryside. I don't think Wormtail vould have travelled using magical means with such a weak Voldemort.
They knew and ignored it or omitted it.
And if they really did pass a pact with Voldemort that he would stay with Great-Britain borders, they were ignorant of WWII lessons, to say the least.
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Good stuff. I'd wondered about this topic also, which was slightly reinforced by discovering Grindelwald in the United States in the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I think you covered this topic well; thanks for that.
Interesting topic. Begs a lot of questions, which may have been answered in some of the deeper lore that I've missed,but here's the first ones that pop to mind.
First and foremost, government likes stability. The icw was apparently both UN like and very much not. They agreed on keeping up the secrecy, but beyond that don't seem to care about consensus. Just the fact that basically every magical nation was a member shows that. Mutual aid has to have an opponent to work against. I guess you could claim that the muggle world is the opponent, butttt:
Vol was essentially a destabilizing force. Aside from if other govts cared about internal politics (can't believe they wouldnt). He was trying to subjugate everything not pure blood, including muggles. Kind of hard to keep under wraps to the "normal" world. Which would seriously imperil magical secrecy.
And this ties back to the first point: it makes no sense for any govt to be so apathetic to what's going on elsewhere. People just aren't built like that. A ruling power w/o spies? A govt that doesn't care about influencing other govts won't exist long.....actually that's a good story idea.
I simply think other countries didn't see him as such a big threat. As far as I know Voldemort only operated in Great Britain and also both wizarding wars didn't leave the islands, unlike for example Grindelwald who waged evil in many countrys. Also he never even got full control over Great Britain
My biggest question for this was since Voldemort made his return during the TriWizard Tournament and after the death of Dumbledore, where where was Madame Maxine/Beaubatons and Karkorof/Durmstrang?
Madam Maxime went to look up the giants with Hagrid. As for the rest of her school and Durmstrang, well they're schools not military bootcamps. It's not really their jobs to fight international wars.
I think karkarof had been killed,I am not sure though
@@kathywright6853 He was killed, but the school was there before him and it probably went on fine without him
Saliba was flawless. Credit to the guy. I haven't paid enough attention to him
Wow. Im glad i caught this early. 4 am eastern time lol
I like the believe in a dark irony, out side of the English/European wizarding sphere, Voldemort was a non existing threat. A lot of people be like “Volde-who?” Just to show the level of thread Voldemort was truly insignificant out side of Harry’s Hogwarts centers world view.
Harry was still a boy playing as a man in real war till the end of the deathly hollows. Pazu’ acted more of an adult than Harry and he was half Harry’s age, facing dangerous heights and soldiers shooting at him with guns.
Awesome video!
Well, Harry Potter is world famous. Remember how it said every child in our world will know his name, so I think that the international confederation of wizards should have protected Harry and help fight against Voldemort.
I've always wondered this! Thanks for another interesting video.
The world saw Voldemort as Britain’s problem when he came back, the boy who lived was 14 at the time and had succeeded in surviving the encounter, and it was obvious he wasn’t a big a threat as he was the first time for that reason, if Harry had failed they might have stayed out of it for fear of being invaded, because if Harry didn’t succeed.. well no one would have because they don’t know about his horcruxes
The answer is, as per usual, that the HP world was not very well thought out from the beginning. I appreciate channels like this for trying to fill in the blanks and connect the dots tho.
So I guess that settles it, Grindlewald was the more influential and dangerous dark wizard. The entire Wizarding world was affected
You just randomly started talking about politics and stuff like and then snapped back to fantasy! This is really good !
And 5:10 just randomly have satellite up there 😆
Didn't Charlie go an recruit foreign volunteers? Hagrid's experience with the giants shows that both the Order and the death eaters where trying to recruit abroad, even with only the giants. I think it far more likely foreign volunteers were there, just not people that Harry would have know and therefore remained unnamed in the final battle.
1.Didn't know is insane Dumbledore was Supreme Muguwump which is head of like the UN or something so they knew but didn't care.
2. I doubt they all had civil wars because it all looked mainly like a British problem
3. He was a threat to the Secrecy problem
4. Domestic problem maybe but it was a secrecy problem
5. Most didn't support for they didn't support Grindelwald
ROFL good one. "Oh their was a battle?"
Judging by how effective the UNSC is irl... I'm not surprised.
This is a question i hasve wondered for forever
My theory has always been that our old friend Tommy wasn't much of politician in turn failing invoke international interest
i think house elves would have been a better comparison than goblins since house elves were actually mistreated whereas goblins were as brutal as wizards and it was more tit for tat with wizards refusing wands for goblins and goblins refusing to teach their 'blacksmithing' skills, for lack of a better term, to the wizards.
They DIDN'T KNOW ?!? 🤯😅
After the Dark Mark was cast during the Quidditch WORLD CUP, where it was seen by witches and wizards from all around the world ?
Don't tell me the rest of the International Magic Community never followed through on that event, ESPECIALLY after the death of a student during the Triwizard Tournament.
The English Ministry of Magic was also SO involved with the whole denying Voldemort's return, before finally admitting it, that it's IMPOSSIBLE that other countries were NOT aware of the whole thing.
because it wasnt thought about originally when it was being written
I'd go with a mix of all of them as well some may also might not want to make themselves into a target but they could not stop their own citizens as Dumbledore also wanted foreign witches and wizards in the Order of the Phoenix. The international community got together against Grindelwald as he was a threat to all of them
Just like any other war. Most countries don't intervene until it becomes an immediate threat to their own.
I'd say it's most likely they didn't see him as a threat. I mean, he got bodies by a bunch of teenagers.
I want to say sorry on behalf of all Canadians for not helping, but in our defense Gringotts wouldn't keep all our syrup and we were busy hiding it.
Why didn't Dumbledore train Harry to fight, or have him join a dueling club early on? He knew about Voldy boi and the many followers that would gladly kill Harry. Even the Weasley's, Lupin(aside from a patronus), Sirius, the real Moody(Constant Vigilance???) ... everyone knew he had powerful enemies that may come for him at any time. Even if he wanted Harry to live a "normal" life.. It's not like Harry didn't know about the dangers he was in after book 1. Aside from looking up and learning spells for the DA... What real training was he getting?
The Death Eaters slaughter and arson at the Quidditch international tournament would more than likely sparked interest globally.
I agree with the idea they didn’t know because unlike gellert, Voldemort was a minimal threat to the other wizarding worlds countries.
Simply, It is written by a English writer