Noobs hating on it saying it’s a “copy” lol Tudor did have a submariner. Rolex is now positioning Tudor to base its design on past Rolex/tudors. Dome crystals/ no crown guards/ aluminum bezels! There is a huge following asking for retro design with modern specs. Rolex is attacking the industry at all angles. If u think this is “copying” then every watch brand is doing the same. If any brand has the right to make a sub look a like. It is Tudor
Ha! Welp, I'll do better in the future. I'm not sure why my phone was set to 480 at the time of the filming, but you work with what you've got at the time. Close to 20K views, so I hoped it helped some folks out. Thanks for watching and commenting; it helps my channel. My phone is now set to 4K for the next random watch filming.
Im begrudgingly saying this, but in all honesty, i think the ginault ocean rover options may be better value than this. 5000 usd as opposed to what 1600 usd, new.
Tudor's Plus Sized Sub. Still a chunky boy and misses the sweet spot that Rolex has nailed. BB58: 39mm case, 47.7mm lug to lug, 12mm thick. Rolex Sub 2024: 41mm case, 47.6mm lug to lug, 12.8mm thick. BB41 mono : 41mm case, 50mm lug to lug, 13.6mm thick.
I really like the bracelet options on the Black Bays. But I just noticed that the Jubilee-style bracelet isn't offered on the blue bezel version. I wonder what's up with that? Edit: Ah, the blue version still has the older movement and thicker case - that explains it!
That’s Rolex’s plan Using Tudor to replace original Rolex and trying to push Rolex to pp level The best way is not to buy either Who give it a fok Company playing customers doesn’t deserve my money no more I’ll go with pp, vc, and omega instead
🎉yes! Agreed! And sycophants praising what is basically a poor copy of Rolex 5 digit models from 40yrs ago. In fact they might just package Tudor with a t shirt that says i also have a Rolex 😂.
Looks like the old 1950s Submariner. I have always disliked the lack of crown guards. Looks like that has an aluminum bezel insert? Seems inconsistent with the price tag if so. I'd literally rather have a San Martin for $350.
@bradleypariah finishing, movement, certifications, price just to name a few. I haven't met anyone that cross shops Tudor with San Martin. Rolex used Aluminum bezels for the longest time at a higher price point than this so not sure how that seems inconsistent with the price point. These two watches are not comparable imo. Both great in their own way, but apples and oranges
I prefer Tudor over Rolex. I have a Black Bay GMT "Diet Pepsi." The only thing I don't like about the Black Bay line it is a hair too bright like the Sub and most Rolexes. In my opinion, the Pelagos 42 looks sharper and less blingy than the Sub.
All Tudor would have to do would be to add crown guards and go full snowflake on the dial and sweep hand with square indice. Good looking sport watch though.
I'd agree with that! If you want a Rolex Submariner, then you'll only be happy with a Rolex Submariner. But! Consider this BB if you don't want the Rolex stigma, or you don't want to play the Rolex wait games. Heck! I'd even consider this a good "low-target" vacation watch if you do have a Rolex Submariner. I take my blue Pelagos on vacations and leave my expensive watches home in the deposit box.
I held it a couple of days ago and it feels not as luxurious as Rolex. No crown guard, and quite thick. I think it is for those who can not afford Rolex. Just giving my opinion. No offence pls
@@mexxxxximum I bought this watch this week. It's more refined than my second generation Black Bay 41. Thinner, shorter and lighter. The bracelet goes from 21mm to 16mm. Overall, feels like a better watch.
This version is actually 49.3 lug to lug, 21mm lug width, 40.4mm bezel diameter with a smaller dial than previous versions. It wears noticeably smaller than it seems online. It’s really well done. Wears much better. Case is streamlined/slimmed down too. The only real criticism I have is the case back protrudes a bit which adds that 1-1.5mm or so that gives it that 13.6mm thickness. The actual case and crystal is more like 12mm thickness.
If only Rolex can go two lines. This BB looks like a 5513 Maxi dial should look in a modern version. The 4 lines of text disrupts the balance. I mean who cares about officially certified? We know that, it would be a Rolex if it wasn’t. Rolex please engrave it on the case back since there’s nothing there. I think the watch world would really go ape shit if they went back to a two line on the No date Sub. I think they owe us that. Rolex always does something special for the date version all the time. Why not give the no date a chance to shine in the spotlight. I like this Tudor looks vintage but we are still missing the crowd guards. If anything I wish the BB 39 titanium was offered in stainless steel. Tudor is holding back on giving us a true Tudor Submariner
How does the lume compare to something like the Pelagos 42mm? I’m working on selling my Pelagos to buy one of these. My goal is to only have one watch, the blue Pelagos just isn’t good for it. Wears too large, but has perfect lume
Agree. Seems like the closer Tudor get to Rolex in looks the more folks want them. Why not just buy the real thing. At least it will hold it's value. With Omega you can see the movement and the design is original and second hand deals are abundant.
@@evh4611ahhh you realize Tudor despite all the concerted hype by paid UA-camrs has been dropping like a stone right? It's now down to 17th place... nobody wants them because they're shameless copies of Rolex 5 digit models from 40yrs ago😂
I don’t think it looks like a Submariner. Somewhat reminiscent, but the case, bezel teeth, and crown are much different than a Submariner. Doesn’t even look like Tudor Submariners from the past. Good looking watch nonetheless. Not a replacement to the Rolex Submariner, but a more affordable, more obtainable alternative.
There are obviously differences, but there's absolutely no doubt that if you saw someone wearing this from across a dinner table, you'd think it was a sub. You'd have to look for at least a few seconds to notice these differences you're talking about. When he says "looks like" he doesn't mean "identical," he just literally means it looks like a sub, and it definitely does. It looks WAY closer to a sub than a SM.
I believe it’s a middle ground. I’ve heard it’s not glossy like the original bb36 nor as sunburst as the black bay 54, but not matte either lol. Two Reddit comments called it a “satin, eggshell-like appearance” and “subtle sunburst”
@@MountainStandardTime all good things to those who wait i guess, i bought a bb36 in 2019 because of the gloss dial, i felt like i was buying a watch with the face of a sub but the asthetic of an explorer 1 which i liked very much, if this watch was on the scene at the time i would have had another option, however i bought my bb36 at the time for 2400 euros, i have no idea what one costs now or the cost of this watch
@@MDSkai its hard to see in the vid but it looks gloss, if it is i probably would have bought one but ended up with a bb36 back in 2019 as i love the gloss dial and its a watch that just works with anything, if this had of been around at the time though i would have been very tempted
Tudor is getting closer to the submariner, all it needs is the original Mercedes hr hand. That 5 link bracelet is fantastic, even Rolex doesn’t offer it on a sub. Thx for sharing your thoughts about the Tudor Rob 😊
The Tudor is equal to the Sub, for one third the price. The GMT has me interested. I don’t have a GMT and this new Tudor appears to be a quality watch. I have Rolexes and no longer have the desire to buy more, unless the price comes down drastically.
I wish the sub had an option for a jubilee bracelet. Looks amazing! I know… functionally not correct to have jubilee on a dive watch, but it looks so good!
It's literally the better alternative to a Rolex submariner. You get the jubilee with on the fly micro adjustment! Anyone who's worn Rolex knows the jubilee is far superior to oyster bracelet
@@Mega-zi7ys you know nothing. You base your assumptions off vintage bracelets that are not constructed like that anymore and tutor is not a shameless copy, They literally are owned by Rolex and have been forever.
@@hillbillyluxury2691 oh yeah? In denial huh? I can put a 5 digit Rolex + the older riveted oysters beside Tudors and you can clearly see the shameless copy. You're like an ostrich hiding your head in the sand 😂 Owned and copy are 2 different things! You know Jackshit ... Do you see Cartier and JLC looking alike? Do you see Omega and Breguet, Blancpain looking alike? Do you see LV looking like Zenith? They all belong to the same companies and groups yet they look totally different. Lastly, longines, Tudor's competitor doesn't copy Omega 😂. Hahaha you know Nothing buddy 😂
@@Mega-zi7ys I would if the VW was built to the same standards and appearance and cost less than the Bugatti. But see VW does it make anything comparable to a Bugatti unlike Tutor to Rolex
To compare to a Seamaster first it would have to be an original design and not a cheaper submariner imitation. Next it would have to have a well finished movement, 120 click bezel, 300m water resistance and heritage. I digress.
@miabeatz80 yup! Tudor's a shameless poor copy of 40 yr old 5 digit Rolex designs with an inferior fit and finish and movement 😂. Sycophants pretending they're getting a Rolex by buying a Tudor and pretending it's better than a seamaster 😂. They should compare it to longines instead 😂
@@Mega-zi7ys not being funny or anything Longines designs are actually easy better than Tudor 🤣. Longings reliability is also way ahead. Funny how folks thought Tudor were making tons of sales until the Morgan Stanley report came out lol.
@@miabeatz80 exactly! Right??? And it even dropped out of top 15 after 3 yrs of huffing and puffing by paid UA-camr hypers. Tudor is longines competition level. They're just trying to fool ppl.
nkuwan You are so well-informed about luxury watches. You've obviously done your due diligence and the comparison to the US is very informative...because of course, I live in New York. thank you very much
Noobs hating on it saying it’s a “copy” lol Tudor did have a submariner. Rolex is now positioning Tudor to base its design on past Rolex/tudors. Dome crystals/ no crown guards/ aluminum bezels! There is a huge following asking for retro design with modern specs. Rolex is attacking the industry at all angles. If u think this is “copying” then every watch brand is doing the same. If any brand has the right to make a sub look a like. It is Tudor
480p in 2024... Awesome
Ha! Welp, I'll do better in the future. I'm not sure why my phone was set to 480 at the time of the filming, but you work with what you've got at the time. Close to 20K views, so I hoped it helped some folks out. Thanks for watching and commenting; it helps my channel. My phone is now set to 4K for the next random watch filming.
Im begrudgingly saying this, but in all honesty, i think the ginault ocean rover options may be better value than this. 5000 usd as opposed to what 1600 usd, new.
Looks better than the Sub . Not sure why some people are complaining about the size it’s perfect.
I can't help but recommend this watch for anyone starting out with wanting a nice luxury watch
Tudor's Plus Sized Sub. Still a chunky boy and misses the sweet spot that Rolex has nailed.
BB58: 39mm case, 47.7mm lug to lug, 12mm thick.
Rolex Sub 2024: 41mm case, 47.6mm lug to lug, 12.8mm thick.
BB41 mono : 41mm case, 50mm lug to lug, 13.6mm thick.
interesting,,,
I guess the cheaper movement is thicker….that or the domed crystal does it.
30 % off in 1 year . Just saying
Even better!
Are you interested in watches or investments?
@@MaDi-l6t watches . But I am also a smart guy
I am not sure about that
Because tudor sucks! Homage brands aint it! Be proud and do something different.
Submariner copies are boring. Facebook marketplace status.
The bezel is less reflective on the BB41. Looks better.
I’ve tried it on too and it’s slightly too thick still unfortunately. If only it was as slim as the 58 😬
The 39 of this will be awesome
40,5 mm is pure perfection for men.
Driving a VW and imagining it as a Bugatti since they belong to the same company anyway right?😂
More of a Porsche than Bugatti 😂
@@MountainStandardTime well, since we're at it already why not stretch it some more?😂
I really like the bracelet options on the Black Bays. But I just noticed that the Jubilee-style bracelet isn't offered on the blue bezel version. I wonder what's up with that?
Edit: Ah, the blue version still has the older movement and thicker case - that explains it!
and sub isn't even metas certified
That’s Rolex’s plan
Using Tudor to replace original Rolex and trying to push Rolex to pp level
The best way is not to buy either
Who give it a fok
Company playing customers doesn’t deserve my money no more
I’ll go with pp, vc, and omega instead
🎉yes! Agreed! And sycophants praising what is basically a poor copy of Rolex 5 digit models from 40yrs ago.
In fact they might just package Tudor with a t shirt that says i also have a Rolex 😂.
I have a Tudor Submariner 75190 36 mm from 1998. oh Tudor if only you would give a Sub again, we all would go crazy over it.
Nice review but it's too thick
Love it! Tried it on and it is a great watch. Bezel a bit on the wobbly side tbh, compared to a Sub. But give me ceramic and I‘m in in a split second.
Looks like the old 1950s Submariner. I have always disliked the lack of crown guards. Looks like that has an aluminum bezel insert? Seems inconsistent with the price tag if so. I'd literally rather have a San Martin for $350.
Yep! It has an aluminum bezel just like the older references.
I think that’s apples and oranges.
@@markd7922 - I'd love to hear an explanation of why you think that.
@bradleypariah finishing, movement, certifications, price just to name a few. I haven't met anyone that cross shops Tudor with San Martin. Rolex used Aluminum bezels for the longest time at a higher price point than this so not sure how that seems inconsistent with the price point. These two watches are not comparable imo. Both great in their own way, but apples and oranges
We are living in 2024 and this video is in 480p. Let that sink in.
Thanks for watching and commenting; it helps my channel. My phone is now set to 4K for the next random watch filming.
Tudor Black Bay monochrome or Pelagos FXD black? Very difficult decision.
I'd go Black Bay monochrome. The one and done watch.
I prefer Tudor over Rolex. I have a Black Bay GMT "Diet Pepsi." The only thing I don't like about the Black Bay line it is a hair too bright like the Sub and most Rolexes.
In my opinion, the Pelagos 42 looks sharper and less blingy than the Sub.
Tudor make the ugliest watches imo, the snow flake hand and rivets, the case shape etc, at most should be £1000
Ok buddy why don’t you produce us an in-house cosc MT5602 alternative for $1,000
@@georged822 ETA 2824-2 will do the job
Boo! 😂
@@georged822 ETA 2824-2
Honest opinion!🎉you should see the chrono! That stupid snowflake hand blocks the chrono counters😂
All Tudor would have to do would be to add crown guards and go full snowflake on the dial and sweep hand with square indice. Good looking sport watch though.
Like the Pelagos and Pelagos 39?
If your waiting for a sub,wait for a sub…this won’t scratch the itch,,poor advice this
I'd agree with that! If you want a Rolex Submariner, then you'll only be happy with a Rolex Submariner. But! Consider this BB if you don't want the Rolex stigma, or you don't want to play the Rolex wait games. Heck! I'd even consider this a good "low-target" vacation watch if you do have a Rolex Submariner. I take my blue Pelagos on vacations and leave my expensive watches home in the deposit box.
Correct! This becomes a shameless copy only which you'll try to justify by printing a t shirt that says I've got a Rolex too.😅
Would have looked so much better with crown guards imo.
I held it a couple of days ago and it feels not as luxurious as Rolex. No crown guard, and quite thick. I think it is for those who can not afford Rolex. Just giving my opinion. No offence pls
A Homeage to the real one! When you can’t have a Submariner, substitution works wonders! Sub high quality vs substandard material!
Totally agree - I couldn’t believe Rolex let Tudor get so close to the sub with this when I saw it in person this week.
but it's large with over 50 mm lug to lug, and 13,5mm thick
@@mexxxxximum49mm lug to lug. The domed cristal is about 1mm so its like a 12,5mm watch. Pure perfection on a man's wrist.
@@maitrehg Think we must try it on and don't just read numbers.
@@mexxxxximum I bought this watch this week. It's more refined than my second generation Black Bay 41. Thinner, shorter and lighter. The bracelet goes from 21mm to 16mm. Overall, feels like a better watch.
@@maitrehg what's your wrist size?
The Tudor is 50mm lug to lug.
It's in a different size range. More like a SMP300 than a Sub. No date, no ceramic. Rather have the same size Pelegos.
I love the Pelagos! I have the blue one. Can’t beat that bracelet!
This version is actually 49.3 lug to lug, 21mm lug width, 40.4mm bezel diameter with a smaller dial than previous versions. It wears noticeably smaller than it seems online. It’s really well done. Wears much better. Case is streamlined/slimmed down too. The only real criticism I have is the case back protrudes a bit which adds that 1-1.5mm or so that gives it that 13.6mm thickness. The actual case and crystal is more like 12mm thickness.
You have a Rolex sub but if you didn’t you would have bought a Tudor sub (not). Please I don’t believe you. Not being nasty but seriously.
It's TRUE...time people told the truth. It only sells Bec it's a Rolex wannabe. Sad but TRUE
If only Rolex can go two lines. This BB looks like a 5513 Maxi dial should look in a modern version. The 4 lines of text disrupts the balance. I mean who cares about officially certified? We know that, it would be a Rolex if it wasn’t. Rolex please engrave it on the case back since there’s nothing there. I think the watch world would really go ape shit if they went back to a two line on the No date Sub. I think they owe us that. Rolex always does something special for the date version all the time. Why not give the no date a chance to shine in the spotlight. I like this Tudor looks vintage but we are still missing the crowd guards. If anything I wish the BB 39 titanium was offered in stainless steel. Tudor is holding back on giving us a true Tudor Submariner
Yep! I agree it looks like 5513 modern version. Thanks for your comments!
How does the lume compare to something like the Pelagos 42mm? I’m working on selling my Pelagos to buy one of these. My goal is to only have one watch, the blue Pelagos just isn’t good for it. Wears too large, but has perfect lume
I’d guess the lume is identical. It all comes from the same giant tub-o-lume they use for all their watches 😂
This watch is thinner than the original 41mm blackbay isn’t it?
I believe that's correct. I remember hearing the new crimson bezel model with the new 5-link bracelet was thinner, but I can't remember by how much.
there are 3 generations of Black Bay. ETA version was thinnest at 12.7mm. Then 2nd gen jumped to 14.7mm. This 3rd gen is 13.7mm.
It's beautiful! Looks nicer than my Omega'
Thanks Rob, I'll pick this one up.
WHY WONT THEY ADD A FUCKING DATE TO THE BLACK BAYS
Because it will add to the thickness and it’s already 13.6 mm or in that range.
@NogoalRob wouldn't add thickness. Is the sub date and sub no date different thickness?
@@thefinancedude4544 comparing apples and oranges. Tudor uses different case and totally different movement!
@@NogoalRob name a watch manufacturer where the date version is thicker? I tried but don't see it
Black Bay Steel has date. Same case dimensions.
Boring tudor! That price point, go grey for an Omega Seamaster 300m.
No one wants a tudor submariner.
You funny
Boo
Agree. Seems like the closer Tudor get to Rolex in looks the more folks want them. Why not just buy the real thing. At least it will hold it's value. With Omega you can see the movement and the design is original and second hand deals are abundant.
@@evh4611ahhh you realize Tudor despite all the concerted hype by paid UA-camrs has been dropping like a stone right? It's now down to 17th place... nobody wants them because they're shameless copies of Rolex 5 digit models from 40yrs ago😂
i’m thinking about it same watch.
Nice video, Rob!
Ha! Thanks Joe!
I don’t think it looks like a Submariner. Somewhat reminiscent, but the case, bezel teeth, and crown are much different than a Submariner. Doesn’t even look like Tudor Submariners from the past. Good looking watch nonetheless. Not a replacement to the Rolex Submariner, but a more affordable, more obtainable alternative.
I guess I’m focusing on that dial and indices.
There are obviously differences, but there's absolutely no doubt that if you saw someone wearing this from across a dinner table, you'd think it was a sub. You'd have to look for at least a few seconds to notice these differences you're talking about.
When he says "looks like" he doesn't mean "identical," he just literally means it looks like a sub, and it definitely does. It looks WAY closer to a sub than a SM.
You’re tripping. Looks just like an older sub.
@@huzidamasta I don’t base my perspective on what a watch may look like across from a “dinner table.” 🤓
@RabbitWatchShop it's an example dude. You get my point, so why be pedantic?
does it have a gloss black dial? it looks like it does in the video
Yes. It looked glossy to me.
I believe it’s a middle ground. I’ve heard it’s not glossy like the original bb36 nor as sunburst as the black bay 54, but not matte either lol. Two Reddit comments called it a “satin, eggshell-like appearance” and “subtle sunburst”
@@MountainStandardTime all good things to those who wait i guess, i bought a bb36 in 2019 because of the gloss dial, i felt like i was buying a watch with the face of a sub but the asthetic of an explorer 1 which i liked very much, if this watch was on the scene at the time i would have had another option, however i bought my bb36 at the time for 2400 euros, i have no idea what one costs now or the cost of this watch
@@MDSkai its hard to see in the vid but it looks gloss, if it is i probably would have bought one but ended up with a bb36 back in 2019 as i love the gloss dial and its a watch that just works with anything, if this had of been around at the time though i would have been very tempted
@@MDSkaitrue 👍
Tudor is getting closer to the submariner, all it needs is the original Mercedes hr hand. That 5 link bracelet is fantastic, even Rolex doesn’t offer it on a sub. Thx for sharing your thoughts about the Tudor Rob 😊
HEY #nkuwan I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day
Shameless copying
Ha! Just working with what I got with my quick footage in the AD
Still too thick though….
The Tudor is equal to the Sub, for one third the price. The GMT has me interested. I don’t have a GMT and this new Tudor appears to be a quality watch. I have Rolexes and no longer have the desire to buy more, unless the price comes down drastically.
Ahhh dude, the reason Rolex sells nowadays is because of the price increases.
It's a Veblen good.
wow...this looks so good
I wish the sub had an option for a jubilee bracelet. Looks amazing! I know… functionally not correct to have jubilee on a dive watch, but it looks so good!
I totally agree!
Copy & Paste !
Haha. Yep! Gotta work with what you’ve got. Thanks for watching!
It's also bundled with a The shirt that says i also have a Rolex 😂
It's literally the better alternative to a Rolex submariner. You get the jubilee with on the fly micro adjustment! Anyone who's worn Rolex knows the jubilee is far superior to oyster bracelet
Nope the oyster looks much better and more robust on the sub... Jubilee's become loose over time. . And nope Tudor's just a shameless copy.
@@Mega-zi7ys you know nothing. You base your assumptions off vintage bracelets that are not constructed like that anymore and tutor is not a shameless copy, They literally are owned by Rolex and have been forever.
@@hillbillyluxury2691 oh yeah? In denial huh? I can put a 5 digit Rolex + the older riveted oysters beside Tudors and you can clearly see the shameless copy.
You're like an ostrich hiding your head in the sand 😂
Owned and copy are 2 different things! You know Jackshit ... Do you see Cartier and JLC looking alike? Do you see Omega and Breguet, Blancpain looking alike? Do you see LV looking like Zenith?
They all belong to the same companies and groups yet they look totally different.
Lastly, longines, Tudor's competitor doesn't copy Omega 😂.
Hahaha you know Nothing buddy 😂
@@hillbillyluxury2691 perhaps you should buy a VW and call it a Bugatti 😂 hahaha they belong to same company anyway 😂
@@Mega-zi7ys I would if the VW was built to the same standards and appearance and cost less than the Bugatti. But see VW does it make anything comparable to a Bugatti unlike Tutor to Rolex
The gold variants are amazing. 6500 USD, I would take this over an Omega any day.
You mean like the golden panda chrono?
I recon that sub owners would still get it :)
Ha! I almost did
Boring watch.
No you are a boring watch
Pelagos look alike
Yep! Now you have a choice between steel and titanium
Rolex look alike
Omega seamaster killer!
To compare to a Seamaster first it would have to be an original design and not a cheaper submariner imitation. Next it would have to have a well finished movement, 120 click bezel, 300m water resistance and heritage. I digress.
😂 clown
@miabeatz80 yup! Tudor's a shameless poor copy of 40 yr old 5 digit Rolex designs with an inferior fit and finish and movement 😂.
Sycophants pretending they're getting a Rolex by buying a Tudor and pretending it's better than a seamaster 😂.
They should compare it to longines instead 😂
@@Mega-zi7ys not being funny or anything Longines designs are actually easy better than Tudor 🤣. Longings reliability is also way ahead. Funny how folks thought Tudor were making tons of sales until the Morgan Stanley report came out lol.
@@miabeatz80 exactly! Right??? And it even dropped out of top 15 after 3 yrs of huffing and puffing by paid UA-camr hypers.
Tudor is longines competition level.
They're just trying to fool ppl.
nkuwan You are so well-informed about luxury watches. You've obviously done your due diligence and the comparison to the US is very informative...because of course, I live in New York. thank you very much