For the last decades, writing colonial histories on events such as the Indonesian War of Independence has been a difficult task. Due to the incriminating nature of the events, records were either never made or have been regularly 'lost' since. Political interest in the events was minimal in both The Netherlands and Indonesia, but times are changing. In recent years, a lot more research power has been allocated to this topic by Dutch and Indonesian Universities and Research collectives. Finding colonial truths is a huge focus of academia right now and their work has allowed us to get real with colonialism in this series. We're sure that even more sources and stories will surface in the coming years, allowing for more books and documentary such as ours to be made. We're interested to hear what you think about this episode! Make sure to let us know in the comments! Cheers, Izzy *RULES OF CONDUCT* STAY CIVIL AND POLITE we will delete any comments with personal insults, or attacks. AVOID PARTISAN POLITICS AS FAR AS YOU CAN we reserve the right to cut off vitriolic debates. HATE SPEECH IN ANY DIRECTION will lead to a ban. RACISM, XENOPHOBIA, OR SLAMMING OF MINORITIES will lead to an immediate ban. PARTISAN REVISIONISM, ESPECIALLY HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR DENIAL will lead to an immediate ban.
Thank you for researching this! Decolonizing history is a thing that is going on in my many western countries by looking critical at the history writing and questioning the eurocentrism, this too for this independence war. With the current bilateral research the question remains how decolonized this research will be, while still giving attentions to both sides.
For most Dutch people, this is a black page in their history, they fail to acknowledge the policy of "shock and awe" of Dutch colonial policy. The issue of Javanese/Indonesian independence was a factor that may have been accepted by the colonial powers, that once the war was over, the independence of its colonial possessions was a factor to wining the war.
Yup, the people who it was about did want to speak up, but no one wanted to listen. For example, people who repatriated to NL and wanted to talk about t he Japanese occupation, no one listened. ''Oh, but you weren't hungry but there was plenty of food'', and ''oh, but the Japanese weren't as bad as the Nazi's.'' etc. Maybe the 'official' archives are difficult to get into, but personal accounts might be a better source for this stuff anyway (to get the more 'human' view). In addition, this war is/was so ethnicity orientated. For example, my grandpa was a kid in WW2 and the Beriap in the Dutch Indies, mixed blood, does that even make someone 'the colonizer' or 'the colonized'? Suffered from both sides equally (during the war: too asian, after the war: too european) etc. It's such a complicated topic..
@@TimeGhost Oh no, I have not been able to watch the actual episode yet! There will be a follow-up comment to this for sure now. Also HUZZAH FOR MORE JACKETS
Tommy O Donovan they're on our side aren't they? Oh shit, does the USA join the axis? Oh god, I think I'll go hide on Hawaii. I hear it's pretty nice and it's so far from everywhere I'll be totally safe!
Indonesian: "Yeah, I think PETA is an amazing organisation." Random Westerner: "Oh cool, great to meet someone so committed to veganism!" Indonesian: "Veganism??"
As a second generation Indonesian in the Netherlands let me tell this: the Indonesian independence war is part of Dutch history, it's in history books, but often classes will overlook it because there is too much history too tell before summer holidays starts. The Indonesian decolonization was one of the main subjects of the final exam of high school when my sister graduated (2008) and it was quite extensive on the Dutch policies such as the cultivation system, ethic politics, the formation of Indonesian political parties and events after 1949 such as the Moluccan state and the Dutch New Guinea. At least in Dutch history, the violence on the Dutch side is mentioned to understand the controversy around the war being called Police Actions. Operation Kraai and Product are still referred to as the Police Actions in order to understand how the Dutch government looked at it at that time; as policing a riot in its territory. The thing that is maybe lacking is what Indonesian nationalists were doing in WWII. WWII in the Dutch East Indies is about the Japanese invasion, the harsh internment camps, and then suddenly after the nuclear bombs, Sukarno does his proclamation. There was not much focus on what he did before that proclamation. What gave me more perspectives than books is talking with my grandmother. As an Indo-Dutch she was born during WWII and her mother had to hide for the Japanese and when she was caught her family was send to the internment camps. Her mother was in another camp and growing up in camps she still has trauma of the harsh Japanese rule. After independence her Indo-Dutch parents opted for Indonesian citizenship as they regarded Indonesia as their homeland. In their neighbourhood in Surabaya, there were also other Indo-Dutch still living there and they were all a bit lunatic because of the Japanese camps. She mentioned how the country came into an economic disaster in the late 50s and the anti-communist purge where colleagues of her work and neighbours were suddenly missing. So for me personally this history isn't a thing of two sides.
The reason on the economic crash i suspect is because Soekarno is "lightower" Program in which he prioritizes making landmarks like Monas for example, Over improving anything else like the economy or the healthcare
Hi ky kale, thanks for your information. I wanna ask for something though. Is it true that former Dutch SS Division are being sent to Indonesia under KNIL to squash the Indonesian revolution army? Many sources here in Indonesia suggest that former dutch SS division which stays loyal to germany during WW2 are being sent to re-establish control in Dutch colonies. Are there any mention of this in your history class?
First of all, Kyle, thanks for sharing. Of course history is not black and white and everyone who lived trough it has their own unique perspective. That is a big challenge when trying to capture history in a narrative, not just for us but for academic researchers as well. Every new personal perspective added to the narrative adds some nuance, so thanks for adding yours! And yes, it is true that some who served in the Waffen SS have also served in the Dutch armies in the East-Indies. Though it is not whole SS-divisions that were deployed in the indies, but rather some individuals who served in both. Now, those who served in the Wehrmacht, SS or any other non-allied foreign army was trialed after the war by an extraordinary judiciary committee. They were often imprisoned in camps and usually they lost their citizenship. Some however, didn't, meaning they got drafted for service in the East-Indies once their prison time was done. I haven't been able to find an exact number of those who served in the SS and the Dutch army in the East-Indies.
@@ridwanmaulana6480 There's no mention of that in history class because I think those were several individual cases. I tried to look on the topic and find that even those in the Dutch army weren't aware that some of soldiers were in the SS. For instance, in an interview by Chris van Esterik from 1984 with a Jewish KNIL officer who was shocked to find out there were former SS'ers, the people that tried to kill his family a few years ago. Also history classes don't have a focus on what type of division did what, it's more about the socio-political course of the war (Linggadjati Agreement, Round Table conference, dll.). source: javapost.nl/2017/04/20/het-litteken-van-een-scheermes/
I'm American and don't recall ever hearing anything about this aspect of post-WWII colonial history. Our schools focus mostly on Europe and the Marshall Plan, and everything is overshadowed by the emerging Cold War with the USSR. Korea gets sort of blended in with that, while the first mention of any sort of colonial reconquest doesn't happen until the lessons reach the Vietnam War era. Even then it's just in passing, a brief snippet about the French getting driven out of their Indochinese colonies before the US goes in to prop up South Vietnam. It's like there's a total history blackout on this part of the world as soon as the Japanese surrender in 1945. An aside - the first time I heard of this was when talking to the father of a friend who was in the US Air Force in the 50's. He was part of the force that was sent to evacuate the "French" forces after their surrender at Dien Bien Phu. French in quotes, because the folks he evacuated were all former German soldiers who'd joined the Foreign Legion after the war to get out of Germany. History is weird.....
@@Raskolnikov70 it is interesting because Marshall plan was the main source of the Dutch funding post WW II. This fund was also used to pay the campaign in supressing Indonesia independence. Funny right? History correlate from one to another.
I'm a history geek and while it's not like I knew _nothing_ of this war at all (I knew the years it took place and also why it ended when it did but I had no idea it was of any greater importance in the Cold War scheme of things), the post-independence Indonesia (Soekarno, the state economy, the Borneo bush war, Suharto, the economic liberalization, the 1997 Asian crisis and democratization) is something I'm a little bit more familiar with. I definitely didn't expect these guys to cover it in this much detail and I'm grateful they do. In the past few years more and more English-speaking Indonesians have been flooding the global Internet and so there are more sources of historical tibdits from that part of the world handily available.
I've spoken to Dutch people who as young kinds survived the Japanese prison camps. After August 1945 their former tormentors became their guardian angels. The Japanese protected the Dutch against the pemudas during the Bersiap period.
Politics makes for strange bed fellows. ASA the war was over vs Germany and Japan it was pointed at the Russkies & later Maoist China. 1945 to 1990 we battled the commies....only to see the Russkies and Chinese turn into dictatorships (Putin/Xi and the Sino Russo Pact) heavy on the Xenophobia and Nationalism= TOTALITARIANISM....then it eats itself 100% of the time.
@@mad_max21 most were labourers, entrepeneurs or soldiers in a world of empire where governments propogated the idea that some were not fit to rule themselves. Call those governments and big men scum, not the folks getting slaughtered.
A little bit correction tho, indonesian is using "motherland" instead of "fatherland", since Indonesian personification is called "Mother Pertiwi". Anyway looking forward for next episodes, thanks🙏
@@yarpen26 idk about other language's term. I said It's a bit correction because it doesnt matter at all. In indonesian the term is "tanah air" literally: "land water", but it doesnt make sense in English so, fatherland is used, which is fine. Just mere suggestion that motherland would be more suitable since indonesia's personification is a "mother". Either way i dont really care that much
During World War 2, many Koreans were enlisted to the Japanese army and stationed in Dutch East Indies. After Japan lost to the Allies, some Koreans rebelled against the Japanese and even some of them joined the Indonesian republicans while many other Japanese complied to the Allies.
@@shinsekaichitsujo6702 This does not make any sense, I mean, the Indonesians liked or not the Japanese? I mean after all the years under their thumb and oppression, no wonder they were somewhat disorganized, some wanted all foreigners out, others accepted Chinese/Korean support, others Japanese support, what a mess... and more, at that time Chinese and Koreans hated the Japanese, and for really understandable reasons, how would they all act together in a force for the Indonesians?
@@risymian3374 well all caps PETA deduct it as a map, so depending on who talks bout it, if it's a treehugger then it's about PETA the animal freaks clubs, if it's a historian then its about PETA the army
damn, as an Indonesian, this explanation is more entertaining than my 12 years of schooling, even though I'm now majoring in history education at the university, but my explanation ability in class as a (soon to be) history teacher is not as good as this. well, this is what i like about Indy Neidell (and lot of others history channel on youtube) though.
As a Dutchman it's also way more entertaining and interesting than my decade of history schooling! And I wouldn't expect a brand new teacher to be as good as Indy: He has many years of experience, a whole team of professionals to support him, and the luxury of editing and not having to deal with dozens of small humans while he talks :P
the problem is that you probably never heard both/all sides of the story explained to you. It's the same with Dutch people, most of us don't know anything except that we were kicked out after the Indonesians rebelled in 1945. Unless you dig deep yourself do you get a feel for what really happened, and you need to dig deep into the pre-WW2 state of the islands as well which wasn't nearly as anti-Dutch as is often made out (unless you were in Atjeh of course, but Atjeh is as anti-Indonesian now as they were anti-Dutch during the 1930s, mainly on religious grounds).
I can share some of my experiences. I (Joram, who wrote and researched these series together with out intern Izzy), am Dutch as well. Having experienced Dutch high-school education, I was shocked when I was confronted with actual research on the subject while doing my history masters at University. Truth is, all of the stuff we put in these episodes is out there. There is a big field of Dutch, Indonesian and foreign historians who have done loads of research and are doing loads more as we speak. We have compiled a source list for those who want to do further reading - bit.ly/IndoSources
not quite, the brutal conquest wasn't really there. The Dutch went about it differently. They made trade deals with local leaders, supplying them with among other things weapons and military training that allowed those leaders to conquer their neighbours. Over time, more and more Dutch administrators came in, eventually staffing pretty much the entire bureaucracy and getting those local leaders to swear allegiance to the Dutch crown or sell their lands to Dutch citizens, effectively establishing a completely Dutch administration over a period of decades, centuries even. There was never the large scale racial divide that existed in for example many of the African and South American colonies, with locals being allowed to get educated and enter most professions. Most of the locals never did so though, either prefering to remain with their traditional crafts and professions or being unable to afford the required education to move up in society. What helped was that the Dutch protected those locals who were not muslims from the often violent tendencies of the muslim majority on many of the islands, a protection that diseappared after the Japanese defeat, starting the violence in earnest (the main pockets of muslim violence during the Dutch era were places like Atjeh, which even now see regular Indonesian army actions to suppress the rebels, this never changed since the early 20th century if not before, the Dutch also fought several bloody campaigns there against muslim rebels). And many of those Christian Indonesians kept supporting the Dutch during the Indonesian rebellion in 1945-49, and suffered the consequences. The survivors were offered transport to the Netherlands and Dutch citizenship, which some of them took up. The result of that can be seen in the Netherlands to this date, where we have a very large Indonesian community that's completely integral to Dutch society.
especially the numerous small states established in Sukarno's (several) ceasefire deals with the Dutch. And the various joinings and separations of said small states. "Merdeka 3: Boogaloo Harder"
It's kind of strange the Dutch got to experience the German occupation for a few years during the WW2, but right after they got rid of the foreign occupation, they went and tried to reoccupy their lost colonies out there. They didn't learn much from their fate in the war, clearly.
Hypocrisy is one of the most useless arguments you can put forward against your opponent. I mean, you may be right but the thing is, your opponent won't care anyway. And, let's be honest here, we're all major or minor hypocrites at heart. In this particular case, I can see the Dutch being primarily determined to restore their faith in their own country, to shake off the humiliation of foreign yoke. I don't even think they themselves considered that someone might see them as a threat, might fear them. That's the danger of victimization: if you keep telling yourself how much you have been mishandled by others, stronger than you, you progressively make it impossible for yourself to even fathom that, to someone else, you still might come from the position of strength. And if you're convinced that you're not really hurting anyone ("You're the _weakling,_ remember? It's _you_ who's being opressed here. It takes power to opress and you, as we've already established, lack that"), then few moral constraints can keep you in check. It's no wonder that the propaganda of every one of the most notorious and genocidal regimes of the twentieth century consistently instilled within its subject a profound sense of being threatened by outside forces: a scared, humiliated sheep makes for the most unrelentless murderer once given the chance.
DUTCH: UFFF hard time being a nazi colony yeah totally rough time, nobody should ever ever ever experience it!! not fun broh! Oh hey i forgot i had my own in east asia let's do it again kick their stupid arse and take their resources!
You know General Sudirman only 29 years old when he is promoted to be General,later he lost one of his lung,and he sacrifice his life fighting dutch,he died 1950,and he got a statue in japan
The statue was gifted in 2011 presented by our then Defence Minister, Sudirman was chosen as the figure as he was in close collaboration with Japanese during our National Revolution as to symbolize long time co operation when our nation was coming to existence
archingelus,in indonesian perspective soedirman(sudirman) was brilliant general,his Guerilla tactic and his achievement are get respect from japanese,sudirman promoted to be general in very young age,in 29 years old,and its amazing. Most youngest general ever,and he become first Marshall of indonesia
@@farizansyahrifkia5110 i know, the statue was presented by our minister during SBY, it is the only foreigner statue in japan and in MOD headquarter, also before he was General of the Army for TNI he was battalion commander for PETA in 44, and i believe this is a major factor for Sudirman to establish network with the Japanese. which later on he managed to put the PETA into the ranks of TKR... interestingly his appointment as general had its own political stories as he was in a deadlock with another appointee General Urip Sumoharjo. but that's a story on its own :) anyways this is excerpt from Japanese Ministry of Defence "In particular, when Mr. Purnomo visited Japan in January 2011, Indonesia presented Japan with the gift of a bronze statue of General Sudirman, who had close links to Japan. This statue of the General symbolizes the development of friendship and amicable cooperation between Japan and Indonesia." www.mod.go.jp/e/jdf/no38/specialfeature.html
Spoiler alert, Soedirman got his military training from PETA. And that's why the core value of TNI is rather identical to the IJA. For KNIL however, it's influence is pretty limited because only few native people manage to receive training as military officers.
not many maybe know this, but the reason why in the early year of the occupation, japan was so kind, really kind to indonesia is because Hitoshi Imamura acting as military governor saw himself how Indonesian helping japanese to fight againts the dutch, he even try to lobby the central government in tokyo to not treat Indonesia like any other area they occupy but the central saw this as weakness because of the war effort needed by the japanese and replace him instead because of that....
the pan-asian ideology of japan saw east indies as the biggest supporter for them, compared to what they faced in qing dinasty ofc, their aim back then was to reform and to modernize the entire asia to compete with the west, but unfortunately they failed. many japanese soldier that visited java was greeted by the local along the street, they even have race cultivation culture like in japan, so yeah, those soldiers thought that people in east indies must have had some ancestral relationship with them.
In military view, the Netherlands suffered a lot after the German invasion on their land and the military protection on the Dutch East Indies beginning to loosen up and thats how Japan could manage to lay hands on it. Kind? Nah that was a diplomatic strategy to avoid rebellion on the invaded lands and in order to create a puppet/satellite state
That’s actually interesting. As a Filipino, I found it strange how the Dutch East Indies had such a different experience from the Philippine Commonwealth, but seeing that there was mutual respect between the Indonesians and the Japanese, unlike in the Philippines where Americans and Filipinos fought together, this is quite a fresh perspective to see
What i know "more" than what this video told me is that the story from my grandfather, who is now 96 yo and still healthy. He said dutch are cruel, barbaric and racist. He fought 3 independence war himself, detained for 18 months, but later freed by the pardon of gov. Tjarda. He killed at least 5 allied soldiers (dutch/british) during some major battles and clandestine attacks. He is a nationally acknowledge independence hero. I am very proud of the heroic background of my grandfather.
@@TimeGhost agreed we need more history from 3rd perspective because in our countries all the stories are told from nationalism perspective and left out holes that is "not the best interest" in the name of nationalism, IMO
It goes both ways indeed. Spoke with alot of indonesians they do not at all know about the bersiap. But then again bersiap doesnt come close to the suffering the dutch caused.
Once again a very great work from the TimeGhost team on this obscure theme. Even i, as a Indonesian, were surprised by the death tolls of Violence during the "Bersiap" (Preparation in English) Period. And these information isn't something i have see on any history lesson that i got during the 12 years of my basic education. Love your works and stay safe during this troubling times of Pandemic P.S: 1. Indy wear a batik suit next time to make the theme even more better 2. Cute cat. Does he/she has a name?
@@TimeGhost CMIIW but the "Bersiap" period isn't really taught in Indonesian schools and narrated in official history, simply because there was never a direct/official order from the Indonesian government to do this "bersiap". But Dutch version will always have this "Bersiap" period, which confuses me...
@@toukairin354 This is another example how the Dutch try to blame Indonesian people to start the violence. In fact the violence started when the Dutch came back after the end of WW2 and tried to take back their former colony, but Indonesia had already declared themself independent and defended itself. That was the "Bersiap" period.
Suharto 32 years authoritarian / military juncta rule contribute heavily to most of skewed national histories. During his rule the government version was the only version of history that were RIGHT and allowed to be taught at schools/Universitues...and slight critiques would be silenced by military/police. All were conducted in the name of Political stability (to maintain statusquo i.e.) In fact we used to have a Ministry of Information which task was to scrutinize and make censorship to all publications, books, newspaper, tv programs...
The bersiap period was probably censored by the government at some point. Standard stuff for an authoritarian government. I'm Indonesian and I've never heard of it.
I bet the soldiers(or officers) going for the war against Europeans are the one whom had older brother, he don't have to care for his families. Man who has responsibilities to succeed his father basically can't act like that, it basically was like that, back then. Inheritance and duty of support were for the oldest son back then.
Are you intentionally left out Admiral Maeda who actually helped Indonesia independence by letting the Pemuda write the independence article in his house..? To this day, admiral Maeda was remembered in our history as collaborator for our independence.
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Oh, I don't know. the UK could have been a right wing authoritarian 'utopia' if his abortive coup had unseated Harold Wilson. A role model for the future alt-right. ..shudder..
The thing is why the Japanese occupation didn't get so much negativity in Indonesia is because they're the one who give way to independence movement like releasing Soekarno and Hatta from their exile. And also don't forget about PETA, Heiho and their weapons which they provide.
@array s You clearly don't get yourself a propaganda in inpress school. The Japanese were potrayed as liberator in the history books. And not mention there's almost no discussion about Japanese warcrimes but the dutch.
Interesting, because some Indonesians say "the Japanese didn't give us anything compared to the Dutch " (pointing out some old Dutch buildings), but here you state a number of concessions from the Japanese occupiers that helped enable their eventual Independence, while the Dutch were raring to resume control.
Yes, through the POETERA, the Heiho, PETA and the BPUPK, the Japanese allowed Indonesians quite some autonomy and tools for future independence. Although again, the Japanese were also very much imperialist occupiers, exploiting natural resources and the labour force. Food requisitioning also caused, or at least enabled, a big famine costing the lives of hundreds of thousands Indonesians. In practice, the Japanese occupiers were not always too keen to see the Indonesian Identity take form. The usage of the national flag and anthem was restricted at some point, and the POETERA was also discontinued after the focus became on Indonesia rather than the Japanese 'Pan-Asian' ideal.
Indy, as Indonesian I feel honored and thoroughly delighted that you made a miniseries dedicated to my country's history. Most of us only learn history from what is told in the classroom, and that barely scratches the surface. There is no time to explain the nuances and intriguing plots. Everything is flat and one dimensional. Content like this helps me appreciate the often details not discussed in our history books, such as the relationship between Japanese and the Allies; or how bloody and violent the Bersiap period was. Thank you very much. Keep up the great work!
I didn't know anything about Indonesia. It's a land so far away and with such differences to my homeland (Mexico), that I have never read or seen anything about it. Great stuff as always. I see something in all your videos: you don't like the powerful smashing the weak. It doesn't matter if it's Austria-Hungary vs Serbia, Soviet Union vs Finland or the UK vs Ireland... That's neat. I have a suggestion: maybe is not in the Spectrum of the channel, but could you do a series, about American colonial policy in it's colines AND all over Latin America? They have invaded us time and again since they won the Mexican war in 1847... Tampico, Veracruz, the pursue of Pancho Villa, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba. Even todays policy in Puerto Rico. Or their coparticipation in the Narcos rise to power in Mexico and Colombia. The list goes on and on. Keep up the good work, and thank you for spreading knowledge.
I love this series. There is a correction I would like add though. 5:03 - Sukarno was not appointed as the head of the Investigating Committee for Preparatory Work for Indonesian Independence (Badan Penyelidik Usaha-usaha Persiapan Kemerdekaan Indonesia (BPUPKI)) . The chairman of the committee was Dr. Radjiman Wedyodiningrat. However, in August 1945, Sukarno was indeed appointed as the head of the Preparatory Committee for Indonesian Independence (Panitia Persiapan Kemerdekaan Indonesia (PPKI)), the "successor" of the previously mentioned Investigating Committee.
This channel is one of the most historical accounts of what had happened during Indonesian Struggle of Independence. Not many foreign sources do this kind of historical information. Thank you!
@Gandhi Vyatranto We're very glad you approve of our coverage! It always warms our hearts to hear that we've done justice to your particular piece of history. Please stay tuned for more and be sure to check out all our videos over on our WW2 channel too
12:22 I also heard that there was some British Indian troops who defected to the nationalists side because they dont wanna kill their muslim brothers (Indonesian muslims always shouted "takbir" as their battle cry alongside "merdeka")
When i was kid i thought that korean war was a forget war because they over Shadow by Vietnam war but seems to me that idonesian war of Independence its real forgetten wae
It's not forgotten....We (West) don't care. Like the difference between Swiss and Sweden....We the world's Hegomon AKA the USA (FY!) we just DGAF! Ireland and Scotland....Same. In fact the Europeeons are dead to U.S. since they *"Tried"* to Fuk U.S. with their limp dicked *Euros$.*
@@Zestyclose-Big3127 the ottomans was like the Austrians in many ways, you know ..old school almost landlocked empire without overseas " possessions " by the beginning of the 20th century they was doomed..
@@Zestyclose-Big3127 The irony is we still have some former colonies (west indies) in the carribean in our kingdom. There were several referenda on those islands if they wanted to be independed. They voted to stay. Some islands voted to become full Dutch municipals and other to become sort of a country in the kingdom of the Netherlands
Japanese occupation(1942-1945).is the important period for the indonesian.we have mixed feelings about Japan occupation.on the other Japan commuter many war crimes during occupation but on the other hand the Japanese fostering Nationalism and teach many of Indonesian youngman about military which is Will be the main element for Indonesian to fight for their independence during the war of independence(1945-1949.some of the imperial Japanese army who symphatize towards Indonesian independence later defected to their units and joined the Indonesian republican army to fight against British army and later the Dutch army.
@@epg96 kalau sepengetahuan saya.jepang sudah berupaya meminta maaf dengan cara memberikan bantuan kepada orang-orang yang dirugikan selama masa pendudukan seperti ex-anggota Heiho atau para "Jugun ianfu",walaupun sampai sekarang Jepang belum pernah secara resmi meminta maaf atas perbuatan mereka selama masa pendudukan.dan juga kebanyakan orang Indonesia kelihatannya ga begitu mempermasalahkan kejahatan perang yang Jepang lakukan selama masa pendudukan.lagipun selama pendudukan Jepang "memberikan" sarana dan prasarana bagi Indonesia untuk mendapatkan kemerdekaan sekaligus mempertahankan kemerdekaannya.
I guess that can be called mixed legacy. When good came with bad and nobody can deny that without killing their own credibility. Makes objectivity very difficult indeed.
@@epg96 Japan already apologize to us long time ago they also paying the compensation for their brutal occupation in Indonesia, the Dutch is the one who recently apologize for their brutal regime, when the Dutch king visit Indonesia 1-2 month ago. Honestly I respect the Japanese more than the dutch, without them attacking colonial state in Asia and Germany invading all of colonial power in Europe I don't think there's the time when we Indonesian and other Southeast Asian nation can gain our independence.
I honestly think you should make a series about various independence movements/wars. I feel that this part of history is usually overlooked, mainly since most countries still feel the effects of their independence and how this was achieved.
A late Uncle, a paratrooper, was sent there after VE day, to try to hold the line, with the Japanese, the British had only their small arms. They held one position, until the Dutch troops arrived, then they pulled out, and the Dutch were mortered rather badly, by the Indonesian liberation forces. The para battalion later mutined in Malaya and send home in disgrace...
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At first, thank you for your great movie. Greetings from Japan. I especially interested in the "pemudas" in the Independent era, because I'd understood them as present paramilitary groups. I was astonished that pemudas had such important roles from the era and in nationalist movement. Moreover, from movie and comments, I was able to understand deeper about the meaning of "Police Actions" that they weren't just an propaganda but Dutch govt still regard these ops as riot policing. BTW, some comments refer to Japanese brutality in their occupations, like Internment or romusha. I also think that these terrible things were exist indeed, but much of we Japanese civilian also violated, persecuted or executed out of law by Allied forces or administrates around WWII era. So please forgive me that I cannot nestle by your side.
Atleast, some Japanese also helped in the Indonesian independence revolution. such as Admiral Tadashi Maeda and thousands of former Imperial Japanese Army soldiers who assisted the "Pemuda"/TNI in fighting the Dutch between 1946-1949.
Pemuda means shonen in your language. Its not paramilitary youth but rather the youth themselves whos got political, radicalized and militarized from being put back into third class citizen and racial deragotary law again by the dutch
People forget that nearly 10,000 japanese defected and fought for the viet minh in their war of independence i don't know but i read some literature that said the same ofr indonesia
You Sir have just retell the story that I've heard thousands of times much much more interesting and passionate then any of my Indonesian history ever. If only my teacher is as passionate as you, I might become a historian myself. Pramoedya is the first to really open my eyes to the interesting events. Thank you for making this video!
Throughout the history, Indonesia just keep getting betrayed by foreign countries, even as far as Hinduism-Buddhism era with Srivijaya & Majapahit era. But they will keep the struggle for unity & very much easy to forgive for the sake of peace. Indonesia is one of the rarest country with multiple mixed cultures & religions (Animism-Hinduism-Buddhism-Islam-Christian) & those cultures still survive to this day even from centuries of colonization. Japan is probably one of the closest ally of Indonesia as of now & I have never seen Indonesians being bitter & keep demanding apologize to Japan like some other ex-colonized Japan countries. The same thing with Netherlands too. Although, I would argue that if Japan actually keep their promises & make Indonesia one of their allies, Japan would probably had more military & economic power in the efforts of war. I believe there were some Japanese leaders/officers that refused the plan on betraying/colonizing Indonesia instead, some of them even helped the eventual Indonesia true independence.
thanks for covering my country's history. gotta say i haven't heard about the event of "bersiap" mentioned in my history class before (it literally translates to "the preperation" in english) and i thank you for mentioning it. i also only heard stories about some of the japanese sided with the allies to fight the locals, while some joined them, but never thought those were true. and btw nice batik suit you're wearing. you have my massive respect sir
japan sided with both the Indos and Indonesian in a different timeline, because they have to survive politics, and they can't go back home, if you think about it there is no moral here but for the natives, politic make ppl do weird things.
The part at 9:25 speaks as if the Japanese killed the Indonesians for no reason, but the facts are different. It is called the Semarang Incident and is known in Indonesia as the Five Day War (Pertempuran lima hari). It was an armed clash between the Japanese and Indonesian Independents that took place in Semarang, Java from October 15 to October 19, 1945, just after World War II. Conflict broke out over the handover of weapons held by the Japanese, and Indonesian militiamen executed a large number of Japanese civilians who were detained by the Japanese militia, while the Japanese overpowered the Indonesian side after a battle. Between 1,000 and 2,000 people were killed on the Indonesian side and more than 200 people, including civilians, were killed or missing on the Japanese side.
The purpose of the Japanese war was to "Liberate the Asian region from White Occupation". And Japan achieved its objective. Unfortunately, though, it was Communism that really won the war. Both the Roosevelt administration in the US and the brains of the Japanese cabinet were infiltrated by the Comintern, which came from the Soviets.
As an Indonesian, my school did not teach history this way. Granted, they tried to keep our nationalism. Still though, this is surprising history. And yet i'm a person who's not really into history that much. Keep it up, we're loving the content!
The aftermath and effects of the Battle of Surabaya will be significant I expect, given that the British are already so stretched in Malaya, Singapore, Burma and India, to just name a few. They probably do not want to get entrenched in yet another conflict in Indonesia. Who knows, the British might yet change sides! But one thing is sure: things are sure going to get messy from now on...
yes the battle of Surabaya had a big influence on Britain because after the battle the British no longer supported the Dutch instead turned to support the Republic. And the British thought it was futile for the army to die against the people who wanted independence.
It's my understanding that ( in the main ) the " British " troops that fought to occupy Surabaya were, at least in the initial stages, Indian troops serving under British officers for the last combat operation in which that would be the case. The British Indian Raj was in its final days and the Indian National Congress under Nehru vociferously protested their use to reimpose colonial rule.
Indy, a fun fact you forget to tell. The text of the proclamation of independence was writen and anounced at the house of Japanese Admiral Tadashi Maeda, who was very supportive of our nationalist movement. He was the head of the Japanese navy in Indonesia at the time.
Well also its kinda sad.because Indonesia wanted a peaceful transition for the independence...but at that time the Dutch and other European colonist didnt realize the new paradigm after world war II ends.so the bloody independence war where the native people vs their former European masters on the third world country happen.perhaps if the Dutch and the other European colonist realize the new paradigm after world war II perhaps there will be Lesser or even no more "collateral damage" like in the bersiap period.
I fear there would have been collateral damage either way. People can be easily swayed by propaganda and emotions to do terrible things. Even if the Dutch/Brits would've acknowledged the independence something like the Bersiap period seems very inevitable to me. And even though it's understandable, it's still terrible
wouldn't say it is that black and white. There has long been the sense that indonesia would inevitably become independent (though further in the future) and that the dutch should build up the country. This sentiment was, as far as I know, kicked of by the book 'Max Havelaar' which unearthed the moral and ethical problems there to the public. The gouvernor-general had a speach in 1946 stating the whish to first restore order and then work with the nationalist to realise their goal of independence, which the dutch state could and/or should (depending on interpretation) not prevent.
@@zephyros256 i didnt see the Dutch have a Goodwill for Indonesia independence shortly after world war II ends.on my perspective if Indonesian didnt resist for their independence...Im sure it Will be take such a long time for Indonesia to achieve their independence.
@@thalutabdulhalimhafiz3863 possibly. It is not like everyone would be in favour or against, which would reflect itself in government and the central government at the time was certainly against. Also, this episode showed how sukarno wished for a peaceful resolution, but was forced by his supporters into an armed rebellion a few month later. When this gets reported in the mainland (a message of indonesia declaring independence and wanting a peaceful resolution, followed closely by attacks on dutch and dutch-indonesians), I can understand a certain amount of scepticism for their earlier claim of wanting a peaceful resolution. Should the government have been clear and forthcoming in agreeing to a peaceful and negotiated independence? certainly yes, and they probably didn't because a fair portion did not want to be the government to 'lose' the dutch indies.
Before WWII, the sentiment in the Netherlands and among the Dutch government in Indonesia that it would have been at least 100 years before independence was to be given. Even in 1942, when Pangeran Adipati Soejono, the only Indonesian minister ever, was part of the Dutch govenment in exile in London, suggested for giving independence it was rejected, even by queen Wilhelmina, at that time.
Ignored because Indonesia are among the leaders who created the NAM (Non Aligned Movement) during the Cold war. with member of 110 countries from Asia, Africa, South America, Yugoslavia, and some east Europe. These are group of countries known today as the 3rd world countries. Because of they chose to not picked sides, the West (1st world countries) stereotyped them as backward, poor and underdeveloped countries. even until today. There's other history in Indonesia that almost forgotten by the west, it was about the Spice War.. for my understanding, it was too humiliating for the west.
I think Indi will also mention that, but for people who wonder why the Dutch had to intervene so hard from 1946 onwards, You must understand what the feeling in the Netherlands was about Soekarno etc. The Dutch saw Soekarno as a collabator, just like the NSB and Dutch SS were viewed as collabators. Soekarno has (as clearly mentioned in this video) worked a lot with the Japanese so that was not surprising to think. another thing mentioned in this video are the work camps where the Dutch were put in by the Japanese. Because of that Japan was seen as bad as Nazi Germany in the Netherlands. and the indonesian nationalists helped the Japanese. if you look at it from this perspective, intervention is not strange.
Job Franschman And the most logical option is to reinstate colonial rule? The Indonesian leaders collaborated worth the Japanese in hopes of establishing an independent Indonesia after the war. I do believe there’s a difference between collaborators in the Netherlands and collaborators in the former Dutch East Indies. Collaborators in the Netherlands wished for the overthrow of your government back home, a government that is supported by the majority of the population. Meanwhile in what is now Indonesia, the government established by the Dutch were unpopular amongst the masses, which coincides with the rising tide of nationalism. The Dutch has imposed an unpopular government on the Indonesian people, who are occupied by a foreign power from the Netherlands. Honestly, despite the vile actions of the Axis powers, I don’t want to put WW2 as a moral crusade like what many Allied countries believed to be. War is 100% brutal and evil, no matter on whose side you’re on. Many countries and collaborators supported the Axis because the Allies has failed diplomatically to satisfy their desires. The Indonesians weren’t like collaborators of other Axis countries where they seek more land, to commit war crimes, or to fight for fascism. The Indonesian leaders even insisted on the rejection of the fascist system like they’ve seen in Japan and Germany. They just wanted to be independent, just like what the Entente gave to many countries in Europe at the end of WW1. Surely, with many Allied powers were formerly from the Entente and had fought to liberate Europe from Axis tyranny, they should be open to discussions about decolonization.
Alexander Christopher you have to watch it at that time. I did not say that it was a good action to intervene militarily. I showed the Dutch side of the story. The Dutch saw "Indonesia" as their country. because it was like that for a long time. Indonesia was never a country before the Dutch came. you also have to include those work camps very much in the reason why the Dutch were so anti Japan and therefore also nationalist Indonesians. those camps were just as bad as the Nazi camps, only they were not gassed. many Dutch people had family in that camps. you have to look from their perspective. and of course indonesia had to become independent. that had happened anyway. it would have been better if the netherlands had got it back without a war and then prepared for independence. that probably would have been given somewhere in the 50s or early 60s.
@@jobfranschman8436 I disagree. 1. "The Dutch saw "Indonesia" as their country. A : Which good country kill their own citizen? 2. the indonesian nationalists helped the Japanese A : Of course they did, you keep them under the thumb for so long when other "fellow asian" came to help them of course they will happily accept rather than the known oppressive white lord they currently have. 3. Indonesia was never a country before the Dutch came. A : False, Indonesia is indeed not a country but before colonialism start there are countless kingdom in indonesia one of such example is Yogyakarta sultanate, est 1755 later annexed after the brutal war in 1830. Citation and reference : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogyakarta_Sultanate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_War (quite an interesting part here, the dutch pit the sultanate against the javanese aka javanese vs javanese then annex the sultanate after it weakened, really despicable.)
@@ham1672 Nononono I am not asking or apology, I am only asking for acknowledgment. We all know we can;t change the past, but I only want people to NOT pervert the past. Do not whitewash it.
This video would have been better if you talked deeper about the thousands of Japanese pan-Asianist, anti-western officers who remained in Indonesia and Vietnam after the August 1945 surrender and helped train local troops to fight for Independence. Many Japanese officers taught in Viet Cong Academies to help train them in jungle warfare. At one point the French were ready to negotiate peace with Ho Chi Minh in exchange for these Japanese officers, Ho Chi Minh refused and prolonged that war for 7 more years.
Thank you very much for covering this part of dutch/indonesian history. I am personally thrilled to hear your view on this. My grandfather joined the KNIL after the war and was send to Indonesia during the "Politionele Acties". We don't know very much about what happened to him over there because he talked very little about it.
Don't forget the Japanese Zero pilots, who stayed behind after the end of Imperial Japanese rule and helped build the nascent Indonesian Air force to defend against Dutch/European colonial power!
Good to learn more of this war since I'm Dutch and we don't get anything about it in school or anything. Since it's not really something we can talk about. Those veterans who supported the Indonesians are still banned from ever returning and count as traitors. (No contact is allowed with these people either so families got torn apart). The king did apologize earlier this year to Indonesia but that wasn't for all the colonial stuff and the war at all but only for the army being unnecessarily violent to civilians.
To put out simply, It was all Japanese fault that we got our independence. lol... I think you should also point out the dualism of Japanese behavior regarding Indonesian independence. I think there were different opinion between the Japanese central government in the Japanese mainland who want to give Indonesia to the allies and the officers of Japanese occupational forces who want to give Indonesia independence. The officers such as Rear Admiral Tadashi Maeda who gave his place for Soekarno and Hatta to draft the proclamation speech thought Indonesia should get the independence. The Japanese occupational forces also halfheartedly helped the allies forces to maintain the order. In some regions they just gave away their weapons to the Indonesian people without resistance which made the allies furious because they were the one who supposed to disarm them.
While sure, we could have covered this more in depth, we do cover in this episode how the Japanese promised to liberate Indonesia from their European occupiers and to give them independence eventually - which is reflected in some of their policies as well. But after the Japanese surrender, Japanese fought to preserve the pre-war status quo o the side of the British and Dutch, while others defected and joined the Indonesians in their pursuit of an independent Indonesia.
@@TimeGhost Thank you, I really appreciate your perspective about Indonesia independence history. It gives new nuance to my insight in our national history. Can't wait for your next video.
After so many years of disliking history in school, mostly because of boring teachers, thank goodness (and TimeGhost) for these series! Especially this one, being from The Netherlands myself. The jacket and another appearance of a cat only add to it. Looking forward to the next episodes!
We believed that Japanese empire was about to liberate us from European colonizers, but unfortunatelly it was a scam. Sadly Japan never admitted their behaviors during their militaristic dream in 1930s-1940s
@@joshuacondell1686 the ones that have information is the riches. And if they spread it they know they will be dead. It will be better for them to keep their mouths shut at the time
@@joshuacondell1686 well in the Javanese myth a prophecy mention that "the Javanese would be ruled by whites for 3 centuries and by yellow dwarfs for the life span of a maize plant prior to the return of the Ratu Adil: whose the name must contain at least one syllable of the Javanese Noto Nogoro."
PETA : pembela tanah air(Defender of homeland:Defender of Motherland(cause i am indonesian always remind indonesia as motherland(ibu pertiwi in indonesian language)
@@TimeGhost and before the japanese the collonials powers didnt do the same thing? Look at my neighbouring country indonesia. The died in thousands . Most of it not even recorded in hisory as history were written by the winners
Well you need to remember it's time of disorder, the hatred for the dutch and all it's collaborator that burried under the colonial rule is about to erupt. It's now or never, become 100% independence or back to become the lowest class of the society where the native indonesian seen as not higher than a dog. And i'm not joking there is literally a photo of restaurant that forbidden the native and dog to in.
@@morewi no, but if they are attacked I can the understand the reasons behind it. Violence is not desirable but it will certainly happen, as with radical nationalists in this case.
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Ukraine was actually one of the country that supported Indonesia Independence in the eyes of UN, when most western allied countries wanna keep Dutch claws in Indonesia. So Respect to Ukraine too.
I think you also need to cover the british soldier mostly from the british raj that deserted and support the indonesian. Also more about the different side like the islamist and the left, they're both important player in indonesia independence
A curious legacy of Japanese rule is the formidable power of Islam in Indonesia today. It was the Japanese who created "Hizbullah" and "Sabilillah" as Javanese jihadist forces... giving an energy boost to Indonesia's ongoing Islamisation.
Could you please talk about the "indos"(mixed asian/european offspring and the dutch colonizers) they made up 80% of the 250,000 "Europeans" in the colony in 1940, and they held administrative and military roles during the Dutch rule
Everything is correct. Damn it's very impressive you tell the story, almost makes me cried. The Patriotic national mindset of Indonesian pretty hard core, in the event of any invasion we are willing to sacrifice for motherland.
I spent 6 weeks travelling through Indonesia all the way from Bali through to Sumatra and it was a truly wonderful experience with a truly wonderful people. Having said that as an American I had one funny story in Bali on a Bus going to Java where there was one last empty seat next to mine and a woman got on the bus carrying the usual loads of chickens and what not and when she went to sit out down she looked at me and went bezerk. The whole bus started laughing and they told me I had to move because she thought I was Dutch (I'm American obviously...a rare sight outside the USA back then in the late 1980s.) The rest of the bus thought that event was truly fun tho so whatever bad may have been done then it's long over for the population now. There were interesting issues with *you're CIA!* in many first encounters but soon they realized there was no way I was CIA (I wasn't but I was 19 years old so I thought it an odd thing back then). They'd open right up and like I said there's no resentment at all that I encountered there. Quite the opposite oddly enough. Gave me a deep and abiding dislike for the modern World ever since oddly enough but definitely not for Indonesia.
@array s yups 5% of balinese was gone during that time, I think they became the most victims back then second only to javanese who lost millions more. but the only thing I don't understand is people always argue that during 1965 tragedy, it was the chinese who became victim the most, which is not true statistically speaking.
Thank you for making this informative documentary that is rarely understood outside Indonesia in such detail and with local perspectives. Also, you chose a very cool narrator, with an awesome jacket.
What happened to Indonesia happened to Croatia too. We just wanted independence and we did everything for it. Croats were killed in Italian camps in Dalmatia, there were Croats running away to Egypt do get away from Germans and Italians. Independent State of Croatia was a quisling nation but it gave us a boost for independence for Croatia same as Indonesia. Croat army was good but state was shit, people wanted to let yews live because the did nothing to us, but Serb killed civilians, stole our land and destroyed our culture and took it as their own.
This is some history that teachers do not teach. because they want to demonize Japan. I am from Indonasia and my grandma told me she was so thankful when the Japanese came to Indonesia. They are the true hero and the true liberator of Asia. Without them, we would still have been colonized by the west!!! Arigato Gozaimashita!!
Can you do one with the Japanese soldiers who served alongside with the Indonesians? Also, can you do one with the Japanese soldiers serving with the viet minh fighting against the French in Indochina after WW2? Source for last question. www.warbirdforum.com/japviet.htm
For the last decades, writing colonial histories on events such as the Indonesian War of Independence has been a difficult task. Due to the incriminating nature of the events, records were either never made or have been regularly 'lost' since. Political interest in the events was minimal in both The Netherlands and Indonesia, but times are changing. In recent years, a lot more research power has been allocated to this topic by Dutch and Indonesian Universities and Research collectives. Finding colonial truths is a huge focus of academia right now and their work has allowed us to get real with colonialism in this series. We're sure that even more sources and stories will surface in the coming years, allowing for more books and documentary such as ours to be made. We're interested to hear what you think about this episode! Make sure to let us know in the comments!
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A great series. Maybe after this you will make a series about Korean War. It would be interesting
Thank you for researching this! Decolonizing history is a thing that is going on in my many western countries by looking critical at the history writing and questioning the eurocentrism, this too for this independence war. With the current bilateral research the question remains how decolonized this research will be, while still giving attentions to both sides.
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For most Dutch people, this is a black page in their history, they fail to acknowledge the policy of "shock and awe" of Dutch colonial policy.
The issue of Javanese/Indonesian independence was a factor that may have been accepted by the colonial powers, that once the war was over, the independence of its colonial possessions was a factor to wining the war.
Yup, the people who it was about did want to speak up, but no one wanted to listen. For example, people who repatriated to NL and wanted to talk about t he Japanese occupation, no one listened. ''Oh, but you weren't hungry but there was plenty of food'', and ''oh, but the Japanese weren't as bad as the Nazi's.'' etc. Maybe the 'official' archives are difficult to get into, but personal accounts might be a better source for this stuff anyway (to get the more 'human' view).
In addition, this war is/was so ethnicity orientated. For example, my grandpa was a kid in WW2 and the Beriap in the Dutch Indies, mixed blood, does that even make someone 'the colonizer' or 'the colonized'? Suffered from both sides equally (during the war: too asian, after the war: too european) etc. It's such a complicated topic..
No tie, but I'll let this one slide because holy cow that's one hell of a jacket
Astrid hoped that you would react like that - after all it's 'your episode' ;-)
Oh and there might be more jackets... just saying.
@@TimeGhost Oh no, I have not been able to watch the actual episode yet! There will be a follow-up comment to this for sure now.
Also HUZZAH FOR MORE JACKETS
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Damn Indy, way to spoil World War Two
M1SZ3L pl what? The Japanese join in? I guess they take on Russia?
That was Truman warning the Russkies.
Tommy O Donovan they're on our side aren't they? Oh shit, does the USA join the axis? Oh god, I think I'll go hide on Hawaii. I hear it's pretty nice and it's so far from everywhere I'll be totally safe!
He already spoiled it in the first place by saying that the Japanese took Indonesia.
Not any more :)
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@BudZ yea that wee thing looks like skin and bone, has he said before if its unwell?
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Imagine, you survive an entire world war, but then died few month later on far away land in order to maintain some colony
Well, it's all in the name of freedom at the end of the day, isn't it?
survive japanese pow camps and then get murdered by the locals
@@pnutz_2 Welcome to our history, mister citizen. Anybody who came from foreign lands that wants to conquer us, will in the end, killed.
Not all of them
Well if ur british, that's some colony you don't really have anything to do with in the first place
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I don't know about it, what vegan organisation is named peta ?
As a second generation Indonesian in the Netherlands let me tell this: the Indonesian independence war is part of Dutch history, it's in history books, but often classes will overlook it because there is too much history too tell before summer holidays starts. The Indonesian decolonization was one of the main subjects of the final exam of high school when my sister graduated (2008) and it was quite extensive on the Dutch policies such as the cultivation system, ethic politics, the formation of Indonesian political parties and events after 1949 such as the Moluccan state and the Dutch New Guinea.
At least in Dutch history, the violence on the Dutch side is mentioned to understand the controversy around the war being called Police Actions. Operation Kraai and Product are still referred to as the Police Actions in order to understand how the Dutch government looked at it at that time; as policing a riot in its territory.
The thing that is maybe lacking is what Indonesian nationalists were doing in WWII. WWII in the Dutch East Indies is about the Japanese invasion, the harsh internment camps, and then suddenly after the nuclear bombs, Sukarno does his proclamation. There was not much focus on what he did before that proclamation.
What gave me more perspectives than books is talking with my grandmother. As an Indo-Dutch she was born during WWII and her mother had to hide for the Japanese and when she was caught her family was send to the internment camps. Her mother was in another camp and growing up in camps she still has trauma of the harsh Japanese rule. After independence her Indo-Dutch parents opted for Indonesian citizenship as they regarded Indonesia as their homeland. In their neighbourhood in Surabaya, there were also other Indo-Dutch still living there and they were all a bit lunatic because of the Japanese camps. She mentioned how the country came into an economic disaster in the late 50s and the anti-communist purge where colleagues of her work and neighbours were suddenly missing. So for me personally this history isn't a thing of two sides.
The reason on the economic crash i suspect is because Soekarno is "lightower" Program in which he prioritizes making landmarks like Monas for example, Over improving anything else like the economy or the healthcare
Hi ky kale, thanks for your information. I wanna ask for something though.
Is it true that former Dutch SS Division are being sent to Indonesia under KNIL to squash the Indonesian revolution army?
Many sources here in Indonesia suggest that former dutch SS division which stays loyal to germany during WW2 are being sent to re-establish control in Dutch colonies.
Are there any mention of this in your history class?
First of all, Kyle, thanks for sharing. Of course history is not black and white and everyone who lived trough it has their own unique perspective. That is a big challenge when trying to capture history in a narrative, not just for us but for academic researchers as well. Every new personal perspective added to the narrative adds some nuance, so thanks for adding yours!
And yes, it is true that some who served in the Waffen SS have also served in the Dutch armies in the East-Indies. Though it is not whole SS-divisions that were deployed in the indies, but rather some individuals who served in both.
Now, those who served in the Wehrmacht, SS or any other non-allied foreign army was trialed after the war by an extraordinary judiciary committee. They were often imprisoned in camps and usually they lost their citizenship. Some however, didn't, meaning they got drafted for service in the East-Indies once their prison time was done. I haven't been able to find an exact number of those who served in the SS and the Dutch army in the East-Indies.
@@ridwanmaulana6480 There's no mention of that in history class because I think those were several individual cases. I tried to look on the topic and find that even those in the Dutch army weren't aware that some of soldiers were in the SS. For instance, in an interview by Chris van Esterik from 1984 with a Jewish KNIL officer who was shocked to find out there were former SS'ers, the people that tried to kill his family a few years ago. Also history classes don't have a focus on what type of division did what, it's more about the socio-political course of the war (Linggadjati Agreement, Round Table conference, dll.).
source: javapost.nl/2017/04/20/het-litteken-van-een-scheermes/
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This is the first of your series’ where I don’t know any of the history on the subject going into it, keep up the constantly fantastic work!
My only knowledge of this history comes from _Politionele acties (voor idioten)_ by Studio Massa.
And as a British person I hang my head in shame. Yet more bloodshed we caused through wanting to suppress the Indonesians.
I'm American and don't recall ever hearing anything about this aspect of post-WWII colonial history. Our schools focus mostly on Europe and the Marshall Plan, and everything is overshadowed by the emerging Cold War with the USSR. Korea gets sort of blended in with that, while the first mention of any sort of colonial reconquest doesn't happen until the lessons reach the Vietnam War era. Even then it's just in passing, a brief snippet about the French getting driven out of their Indochinese colonies before the US goes in to prop up South Vietnam. It's like there's a total history blackout on this part of the world as soon as the Japanese surrender in 1945.
An aside - the first time I heard of this was when talking to the father of a friend who was in the US Air Force in the 50's. He was part of the force that was sent to evacuate the "French" forces after their surrender at Dien Bien Phu. French in quotes, because the folks he evacuated were all former German soldiers who'd joined the Foreign Legion after the war to get out of Germany. History is weird.....
@@Raskolnikov70 it is interesting because Marshall plan was the main source of the Dutch funding post WW II. This fund was also used to pay the campaign in supressing Indonesia independence. Funny right? History correlate from one to another.
I'm a history geek and while it's not like I knew _nothing_ of this war at all (I knew the years it took place and also why it ended when it did but I had no idea it was of any greater importance in the Cold War scheme of things), the post-independence Indonesia (Soekarno, the state economy, the Borneo bush war, Suharto, the economic liberalization, the 1997 Asian crisis and democratization) is something I'm a little bit more familiar with. I definitely didn't expect these guys to cover it in this much detail and I'm grateful they do. In the past few years more and more English-speaking Indonesians have been flooding the global Internet and so there are more sources of historical tibdits from that part of the world handily available.
I've spoken to Dutch people who as young kinds survived the Japanese prison camps. After August 1945 their former tormentors became their guardian angels. The Japanese protected the Dutch against the pemudas during the Bersiap period.
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Maybe they should not had been scummy colonialists in the first place.
Politics makes for strange bed fellows.
ASA the war was over vs Germany and Japan it was pointed at the Russkies & later Maoist China.
1945 to 1990 we battled the commies....only to see the Russkies and Chinese turn into dictatorships (Putin/Xi and the Sino Russo Pact) heavy on the Xenophobia and Nationalism= TOTALITARIANISM....then it eats itself 100% of the time.
@@mad_max21 most were labourers, entrepeneurs or soldiers in a world of empire where governments propogated the idea that some were not fit to rule themselves. Call those governments and big men scum, not the folks getting slaughtered.
A little bit correction tho, indonesian is using "motherland" instead of "fatherland", since Indonesian personification is called "Mother Pertiwi". Anyway looking forward for next episodes, thanks🙏
Thanks for the correction!
Well, most languages use just one term anyway. English is unique but that's solely due to WWII (not WWI as some people mistakenly believe).
@@yarpen26 idk about other language's term. I said It's a bit correction because it doesnt matter at all. In indonesian the term is "tanah air" literally: "land water", but it doesnt make sense in English so, fatherland is used, which is fine. Just mere suggestion that motherland would be more suitable since indonesia's personification is a "mother". Either way i dont really care that much
And the Indy's explaination has been great. too small to be noticed by international audience anyway
yes, motherland
Who do you want to support?
Japanese: yes.
@Mr Doggo thanks.
Japanese:はい!
During World War 2, many Koreans were enlisted to the Japanese army and stationed in Dutch East Indies. After Japan lost to the Allies, some Koreans rebelled against the Japanese and even some of them joined the Indonesian republicans while many other Japanese complied to the Allies.
@@spicn00 Yeah also thousand of japanese soldiers joined to indonesian nationalist forces
@@shinsekaichitsujo6702 This does not make any sense, I mean, the Indonesians liked or not the Japanese? I mean after all the years under their thumb and oppression, no wonder they were somewhat disorganized, some wanted all foreigners out, others accepted Chinese/Korean support, others Japanese support, what a mess... and more, at that time Chinese and Koreans hated the Japanese, and for really understandable reasons, how would they all act together in a force for the Indonesians?
Peta if your an Indonesian:
-vegan movement
-old Indonesian defense force
-a map
-bread
I am member of PETA and i ate bacons
Long live People Eat Tasty Animals!!!
Yeah really.
When people said PETA in social media, i really need to recheck the context because of how easily mislead the terms is in indonesia.
@@risymian3374 well all caps PETA deduct it as a map, so depending on who talks bout it,
if it's a treehugger then it's about PETA the animal freaks clubs, if it's a historian then its about PETA the army
tar dulu
ni beneran gua nemuin WNI fans 40k??
@@eyeballpapercut4400 an open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded...
damn, as an Indonesian, this explanation is more entertaining than my 12 years of schooling, even though I'm now majoring in history education at the university, but my explanation ability in class as a (soon to be) history teacher is not as good as this.
well, this is what i like about Indy Neidell (and lot of others history channel on youtube) though.
As a Dutchman it's also way more entertaining and interesting than my decade of history schooling!
And I wouldn't expect a brand new teacher to be as good as Indy: He has many years of experience, a whole team of professionals to support him, and the luxury of editing and not having to deal with dozens of small humans while he talks :P
the problem is that you probably never heard both/all sides of the story explained to you. It's the same with Dutch people, most of us don't know anything except that we were kicked out after the Indonesians rebelled in 1945.
Unless you dig deep yourself do you get a feel for what really happened, and you need to dig deep into the pre-WW2 state of the islands as well which wasn't nearly as anti-Dutch as is often made out (unless you were in Atjeh of course, but Atjeh is as anti-Indonesian now as they were anti-Dutch during the 1930s, mainly on religious grounds).
@@jwenting yeah, i know what you mean, even for today it is still quite difficult to find a fairly neutral historical source
I can share some of my experiences. I (Joram, who wrote and researched these series together with out intern Izzy), am Dutch as well. Having experienced Dutch high-school education, I was shocked when I was confronted with actual research on the subject while doing my history masters at University.
Truth is, all of the stuff we put in these episodes is out there. There is a big field of Dutch, Indonesian and foreign historians who have done loads of research and are doing loads more as we speak. We have compiled a source list for those who want to do further reading - bit.ly/IndoSources
@@TimeGhost Nice, it's very helpful, I can use this reference for my college later, thank you very much
"Indonesia became a Dutch colony through trade and brutal conquest"
So... the usual procedure, then?
Don't forget using natives to help conquer other natives
not quite, the brutal conquest wasn't really there.
The Dutch went about it differently.
They made trade deals with local leaders, supplying them with among other things weapons and military training that allowed those leaders to conquer their neighbours.
Over time, more and more Dutch administrators came in, eventually staffing pretty much the entire bureaucracy and getting those local leaders to swear allegiance to the Dutch crown or sell their lands to Dutch citizens, effectively establishing a completely Dutch administration over a period of decades, centuries even.
There was never the large scale racial divide that existed in for example many of the African and South American colonies, with locals being allowed to get educated and enter most professions. Most of the locals never did so though, either prefering to remain with their traditional crafts and professions or being unable to afford the required education to move up in society.
What helped was that the Dutch protected those locals who were not muslims from the often violent tendencies of the muslim majority on many of the islands, a protection that diseappared after the Japanese defeat, starting the violence in earnest (the main pockets of muslim violence during the Dutch era were places like Atjeh, which even now see regular Indonesian army actions to suppress the rebels, this never changed since the early 20th century if not before, the Dutch also fought several bloody campaigns there against muslim rebels).
And many of those Christian Indonesians kept supporting the Dutch during the Indonesian rebellion in 1945-49, and suffered the consequences. The survivors were offered transport to the Netherlands and Dutch citizenship, which some of them took up.
The result of that can be seen in the Netherlands to this date, where we have a very large Indonesian community that's completely integral to Dutch society.
@@jwenting are most of the Indonesian Dutch Christians?
Would it be a hybrid between imperialism and colonialism?
Good shit.
When Astrid can't find a tie, she brings the jacket
Indy looks like the events coordinator for a cruise ship.
To foreigners:
Good luck tracking the changes in our government throughout the War of Independence. We Indonesians are sometimes confused too.
especially the numerous small states established in Sukarno's (several) ceasefire deals with the Dutch. And the various joinings and separations of said small states.
"Merdeka 3: Boogaloo Harder"
Compare to the Chinese. It's not that hard
Even after the war we have political confusion too
It's kind of strange the Dutch got to experience the German occupation for a few years during the WW2, but right after they got rid of the foreign occupation, they went and tried to reoccupy their lost colonies out there. They didn't learn much from their fate in the war, clearly.
Hypocrisy is one of the most useless arguments you can put forward against your opponent. I mean, you may be right but the thing is, your opponent won't care anyway. And, let's be honest here, we're all major or minor hypocrites at heart. In this particular case, I can see the Dutch being primarily determined to restore their faith in their own country, to shake off the humiliation of foreign yoke. I don't even think they themselves considered that someone might see them as a threat, might fear them. That's the danger of victimization: if you keep telling yourself how much you have been mishandled by others, stronger than you, you progressively make it impossible for yourself to even fathom that, to someone else, you still might come from the position of strength. And if you're convinced that you're not really hurting anyone ("You're the _weakling,_ remember? It's _you_ who's being opressed here. It takes power to opress and you, as we've already established, lack that"), then few moral constraints can keep you in check.
It's no wonder that the propaganda of every one of the most notorious and genocidal regimes of the twentieth century consistently instilled within its subject a profound sense of being threatened by outside forces: a scared, humiliated sheep makes for the most unrelentless murderer once given the chance.
Umm .. they already established colonies left and right even when their own country were still under the throne of Spain.
DUTCH: UFFF hard time being a nazi colony yeah totally rough time, nobody should ever ever ever experience it!! not fun broh!
Oh hey i forgot i had my own in east asia let's do it again kick their stupid arse and take their resources!
@@yarpen26 man, you are sharp, and i totally agree with you
Some of wealth came to Dutch from Indonesia.
Indonesia rich of raw materials.
And also beautiful country.
You know General Sudirman only 29 years old when he is promoted to be General,later he lost one of his lung,and he sacrifice his life fighting dutch,he died 1950,and he got a statue in japan
The statue was gifted in 2011 presented by our then Defence Minister, Sudirman was chosen as the figure as he was in close collaboration with Japanese during our National Revolution as to symbolize long time co operation when our nation was coming to existence
archingelus,in indonesian perspective soedirman(sudirman) was brilliant general,his Guerilla tactic and his achievement are get respect from japanese,sudirman promoted to be general in very young age,in 29 years old,and its amazing.
Most youngest general ever,and he become first Marshall of indonesia
archingelus,i mean statue of sudirman in japan
@@farizansyahrifkia5110 i know, the statue was presented by our minister during SBY, it is the only foreigner statue in japan and in MOD headquarter, also before he was General of the Army for TNI he was battalion commander for PETA in 44, and i believe this is a major factor for Sudirman to establish network with the Japanese. which later on he managed to put the PETA into the ranks of TKR... interestingly his appointment as general had its own political stories as he was in a deadlock with another appointee General Urip Sumoharjo. but that's a story on its own :)
anyways this is excerpt from Japanese Ministry of Defence
"In particular, when Mr. Purnomo visited Japan in January 2011, Indonesia presented Japan with the gift of a bronze statue of General Sudirman, who had close links to Japan. This statue of the General symbolizes the development of friendship and amicable cooperation between Japan and Indonesia."
www.mod.go.jp/e/jdf/no38/specialfeature.html
Spoiler alert, Soedirman got his military training from PETA. And that's why the core value of TNI is rather identical to the IJA. For KNIL however, it's influence is pretty limited because only few native people manage to receive training as military officers.
not many maybe know this, but the reason why in the early year of the occupation, japan was so kind, really kind to indonesia is because Hitoshi Imamura acting as military governor saw himself how Indonesian helping japanese to fight againts the dutch, he even try to lobby the central government in tokyo to not treat Indonesia like any other area they occupy but the central saw this as weakness because of the war effort needed by the japanese and replace him instead because of that....
Wow I just heard this! Would love it if you can share the source 😊
the pan-asian ideology of japan saw east indies as the biggest supporter for them, compared to what they faced in qing dinasty ofc, their aim back then was to reform and to modernize the entire asia to compete with the west, but unfortunately they failed.
many japanese soldier that visited java was greeted by the local along the street, they even have race cultivation culture like in japan, so yeah, those soldiers thought that people in east indies must have had some ancestral relationship with them.
@@ahyarhartanto1802 *Rice
In military view, the Netherlands suffered a lot after the German invasion on their land and the military protection on the Dutch East Indies beginning to loosen up and thats how Japan could manage to lay hands on it.
Kind? Nah that was a diplomatic strategy to avoid rebellion on the invaded lands and in order to create a puppet/satellite state
That’s actually interesting. As a Filipino, I found it strange how the Dutch East Indies had such a different experience from the Philippine Commonwealth, but seeing that there was mutual respect between the Indonesians and the Japanese, unlike in the Philippines where Americans and Filipinos fought together, this is quite a fresh perspective to see
What i know "more" than what this video told me is that the story from my grandfather, who is now 96 yo and still healthy. He said dutch are cruel, barbaric and racist. He fought 3 independence war himself, detained for 18 months, but later freed by the pardon of gov. Tjarda. He killed at least 5 allied soldiers (dutch/british) during some major battles and clandestine attacks. He is a nationally acknowledge independence hero. I am very proud of the heroic background of my grandfather.
Kakek ku pernah cerita dulu temanya tembak seperti binatang buruan gara2 nyuri tebu di sawahnya sendiri..bangsat emang
Thank you for sharing
Massive respect for providing Dutch and Indonesian subtitles; The 2 countries this mini series will appeal to most
Good work! This chapter in Dutch history and Indonesian history is in great need of an independent, non biased view!
Thanks!
@@TimeGhost agreed we need more history from 3rd perspective because in our countries all the stories are told from nationalism perspective and left out holes that is "not the best interest" in the name of nationalism, IMO
I was thinking the exact same thing
It goes both ways indeed. Spoke with alot of indonesians they do not at all know about the bersiap. But then again bersiap doesnt come close to the suffering the dutch caused.
Once again a very great work from the TimeGhost team on this obscure theme. Even i, as a Indonesian, were surprised by the death tolls of Violence during the "Bersiap" (Preparation in English) Period. And these information isn't something i have see on any history lesson that i got during the 12 years of my basic education. Love your works and stay safe during this troubling times of Pandemic
P.S:
1. Indy wear a batik suit next time to make the theme even more better
2. Cute cat. Does he/she has a name?
Thanks! Joram was going to bring a batik and sarong over to the studio, but he didn't make it because of Corona. Right? Yes she does have a name!
@@TimeGhost CMIIW but the "Bersiap" period isn't really taught in Indonesian schools and narrated in official history, simply because there was never a direct/official order from the Indonesian government to do this "bersiap". But Dutch version will always have this "Bersiap" period, which confuses me...
@@toukairin354 This is another example how the Dutch try to blame Indonesian people to start the violence. In fact the violence started when the Dutch came back after the end of WW2 and tried to take back their former colony, but Indonesia had already declared themself independent and defended itself. That was the "Bersiap" period.
Suharto 32 years authoritarian / military juncta rule contribute heavily to most of skewed national histories. During his rule the government version was the only version of history that were RIGHT and allowed to be taught at schools/Universitues...and slight critiques would be silenced by military/police. All were conducted in the name of Political stability (to maintain statusquo i.e.)
In fact we used to have a Ministry of Information which task was to scrutinize and make censorship to all publications, books, newspaper, tv programs...
The bersiap period was probably censored by the government at some point. Standard stuff for an authoritarian government. I'm Indonesian and I've never heard of it.
The Japanese army: So now we are helping Europeans fight their wars
Also the Japanese army: Wonderful, we get to fight against Europeans again
Bely Gorod lol but the japanese only the Americans
I bet the soldiers(or officers) going for the war against Europeans are the one whom had older brother, he don't have to care for his families.
Man who has responsibilities to succeed his father basically can't act like that, it basically was like that, back then. Inheritance and duty of support were for the oldest son back then.
Are you intentionally left out Admiral Maeda who actually helped Indonesia independence by letting the Pemuda write the independence article in his house..? To this day, admiral Maeda was remembered in our history as collaborator for our independence.
We have not 'intentionally' left him out.
Probably for different episodes, he clearly told in the video several things are left out for now
Pertama-tama yang pertama dan yang paling utama
Begin with "Did", not "Are".
Trus jangan suuzhonn.
@@eyeballpapercut4400 reading one's written comment might get you the wrong message, he probably spoke it with medok accent anyways :)
@@TimeGhost Pin this comment if you think its not intentional
Indonesia vs Britain + Japan + Netherlands.
I couldn't believe what was it like in the past as a civilian or a fighter.
If Louis Mountbatten is involved you know it's going to be a disaster.
Yep
G'day,
Old Australian Riddle...
Question...,
"What is Blue & White..., and skims accross the Wavetops at a hundred miles per hour...?"
Answer....;
"Lord Louis Mountbatten's Left-side Thong...!"
(in Australia, the cheap rubber Footwear known as "Getas" in Japan & "Flip-Flops" in most other places...; are known as "Thongs", referencing the thin overfoot Straps which hold the Sole in place, under the Foot...; the traditional Japanese Getas have Wooden Soles & Leather Thongs - and the concept returned to Oz with Troops who'd been occupying Japan, following VP-Day...).
Mountbatten was a complete Buffoon - which is merely a Wannabe Boffin, who consistently gets everything wrong.
Such is Life.
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Ja,
I guess he should have kept the German surname....
Unless his casting for The Crown is considered of course.
Oh, I don't know. the UK could have been a right wing authoritarian 'utopia' if his abortive coup had unseated Harold Wilson. A role model for the future alt-right. ..shudder..
The thing is why the Japanese occupation didn't get so much negativity in Indonesia is because they're the one who give way to independence movement like releasing Soekarno and Hatta from their exile. And also don't forget about PETA, Heiho and their weapons which they provide.
@array s You clearly don't get yourself a propaganda in inpress school. The Japanese were potrayed as liberator in the history books. And not mention there's almost no discussion about Japanese warcrimes but the dutch.
A Good Introduction to Indonesian War of Independence. You cover the many gaps not written in History books in School.
although 2000 Japanese soldiers stayed at Indonesia to help their Independence its now shown into the world
Interesting, because some Indonesians say "the Japanese didn't give us anything compared to the Dutch " (pointing out some old Dutch buildings), but here you state a number of concessions from the Japanese occupiers that helped enable their eventual Independence, while the Dutch were raring to resume control.
Yes, through the POETERA, the Heiho, PETA and the BPUPK, the Japanese allowed Indonesians quite some autonomy and tools for future independence.
Although again, the Japanese were also very much imperialist occupiers, exploiting natural resources and the labour force. Food requisitioning also caused, or at least enabled, a big famine costing the lives of hundreds of thousands Indonesians.
In practice, the Japanese occupiers were not always too keen to see the Indonesian Identity take form. The usage of the national flag and anthem was restricted at some point, and the POETERA was also discontinued after the focus became on Indonesia rather than the Japanese 'Pan-Asian' ideal.
Yes because the japanese pretty much dutiful towards hierarcy
History is always remade by the victors in war.
After World War II, colonial rule in Asia ended.
"Do you want to switch teams"
Japan: "Yes No Yes"
Actually some 1000 of japanese soldiers stays Indonesian side
didn't get this at school in the Netherlands in such detail.. very thankful to learn more about how the war went from you indie!
You're welcome!
Indy, as Indonesian I feel honored and thoroughly delighted that you made a miniseries dedicated to my country's history. Most of us only learn history from what is told in the classroom, and that barely scratches the surface. There is no time to explain the nuances and intriguing plots. Everything is flat and one dimensional. Content like this helps me appreciate the often details not discussed in our history books, such as the relationship between Japanese and the Allies; or how bloody and violent the Bersiap period was.
Thank you very much. Keep up the great work!
I didn't know anything about Indonesia. It's a land so far away and with such differences to my homeland (Mexico), that I have never read or seen anything about it. Great stuff as always.
I see something in all your videos: you don't like the powerful smashing the weak. It doesn't matter if it's Austria-Hungary vs Serbia, Soviet Union vs Finland or the UK vs Ireland... That's neat.
I have a suggestion: maybe is not in the Spectrum of the channel, but could you do a series, about American colonial policy in it's colines AND all over Latin America? They have invaded us time and again since they won the Mexican war in 1847... Tampico, Veracruz, the pursue of Pancho Villa, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba. Even todays policy in Puerto Rico. Or their coparticipation in the Narcos rise to power in Mexico and Colombia. The list goes on and on.
Keep up the good work, and thank you for spreading knowledge.
Thanks! We might at some point do a series on American Imperialism.
I love this series. There is a correction I would like add though.
5:03 - Sukarno was not appointed as the head of the Investigating Committee for Preparatory Work for Indonesian Independence (Badan Penyelidik Usaha-usaha Persiapan Kemerdekaan Indonesia (BPUPKI)) . The chairman of the committee was Dr. Radjiman Wedyodiningrat. However, in August 1945, Sukarno was indeed appointed as the head of the Preparatory Committee for Indonesian Independence (Panitia Persiapan Kemerdekaan Indonesia (PPKI)), the "successor" of the previously mentioned Investigating Committee.
This channel is one of the most historical accounts of what had happened during Indonesian Struggle of Independence.
Not many foreign sources do this kind of historical information.
Thank you!
@Gandhi Vyatranto We're very glad you approve of our coverage! It always warms our hearts to hear that we've done justice to your particular piece of history. Please stay tuned for more and be sure to check out all our videos over on our WW2 channel too
12:22 I also heard that there was some British Indian troops who defected to the nationalists side because they dont wanna kill their muslim brothers (Indonesian muslims always shouted "takbir" as their battle cry alongside "merdeka")
There may have been a few, but the overwhelming majority of Indians are not Muslim.
@@tattie278 Is British India army under former Pakistan President Muhammad Zia ul Haq. 600 India-Pakistan army defect British army
Firdaus Maulana, can you respond in English and not gibberish please?
@@tattie278 nah man im not native english speaker
Firdaus Maulana, I gathered that, but I really can’t work out what you’re trying to say.
I don’t know what’s more interesting, this episode or Indy’s jacket
When i was kid i thought that korean war was a forget war because they over Shadow by Vietnam war but seems to me that idonesian war of Independence its real forgetten wae
It's not forgotten....We (West) don't care.
Like the difference between Swiss and Sweden....We the world's Hegomon AKA the USA (FY!) we just DGAF!
Ireland and Scotland....Same.
In fact the Europeeons are dead to U.S. since they *"Tried"* to Fuk U.S. with their limp dicked *Euros$.*
@@tommyodonovan3883 "we the west.." and then the American special perception of reality 🤣🤣
I would argue that the Dutch are kinda the forgotten colonial power anyways (God knows what that makes the Ottomans though then, I guess)
@@Zestyclose-Big3127 the ottomans was like the Austrians in many ways, you know ..old school almost landlocked empire without overseas " possessions " by the beginning of the 20th century they was doomed..
@@Zestyclose-Big3127 The irony is we still have some former colonies (west indies) in the carribean in our kingdom.
There were several referenda on those islands if they wanted to be independed. They voted to stay. Some islands voted to become full Dutch municipals and other to become sort of a country in the kingdom of the Netherlands
Cats creeping around when you announced that the Japanese are still in charge: a perfect touch.
Poptart cat yowls "banzai"!
Japanese occupation(1942-1945).is the important period for the indonesian.we have mixed feelings about Japan occupation.on the other Japan commuter many war crimes during occupation but on the other hand the Japanese fostering Nationalism and teach many of Indonesian youngman about military which is Will be the main element for Indonesian to fight for their independence during the war of independence(1945-1949.some of the imperial Japanese army who symphatize towards Indonesian independence later defected to their units and joined the Indonesian republican army to fight against British army and later the Dutch army.
Dan ampe harini Jepang pun ga mau minta maaf ato ngakui kesalahanny
@@epg96 a big difference with other ex axis countries
@@epg96 kalau sepengetahuan saya.jepang sudah berupaya meminta maaf dengan cara memberikan bantuan kepada orang-orang yang dirugikan selama masa pendudukan seperti ex-anggota Heiho atau para "Jugun ianfu",walaupun sampai sekarang Jepang belum pernah secara resmi meminta maaf atas perbuatan mereka selama masa pendudukan.dan juga kebanyakan orang Indonesia kelihatannya ga begitu mempermasalahkan kejahatan perang yang Jepang lakukan selama masa pendudukan.lagipun selama pendudukan Jepang "memberikan" sarana dan prasarana bagi Indonesia untuk mendapatkan kemerdekaan sekaligus mempertahankan kemerdekaannya.
I guess that can be called mixed legacy. When good came with bad and nobody can deny that without killing their own credibility. Makes objectivity very difficult indeed.
@@epg96 Japan already apologize to us long time ago they also paying the compensation for their brutal occupation in Indonesia, the Dutch is the one who recently apologize for their brutal regime, when the Dutch king visit Indonesia 1-2 month ago. Honestly I respect the Japanese more than the dutch, without them attacking colonial state in Asia and Germany invading all of colonial power in Europe I don't think there's the time when we Indonesian and other Southeast Asian nation can gain our independence.
I honestly think you should make a series about various independence movements/wars. I feel that this part of history is usually overlooked, mainly since most countries still feel the effects of their independence and how this was achieved.
Yes absolutely. That would be interesting to see
Nice jacket, I think my grandmother has it as curtains.
All credit to Indy, he’ll do anything to win a bet!
Ga genah XD
A late Uncle, a paratrooper, was sent there after VE day, to try to hold the line, with the Japanese, the British had only their small arms.
They held one position, until the Dutch troops arrived, then they pulled out, and the Dutch were mortered rather badly, by the Indonesian liberation forces.
The para battalion later mutined in Malaya and send home in disgrace...
15 August 1945
🇯🇵 : *surrender*
🇳🇱 : ahh finally i can go back to indies, but later
17 August 1945
🇮🇩 : Independence Day!!!
🇳🇱 : *VERDOMME!!!*
"wow, that escalated quickly"
The Dutch were already back in New Guinea in 1944 and were before 15 August 1945 back in Borneo, so your timetable is wrong.
@@spaceage9149 , in the end, they kicked hard, I fail to see the problem with the timetable that you are mentioned
🇳🇱 : Not gonna happen
🇺🇸 : *KNOCK KNOCK*
🇳🇱 : _sh*t_
🇯🇵: Surrenders
🇺🇲: Well its over. I think I should go home. It's finally yours! I know you can handle it.
🇵🇭: YAAYY! 🎉
🇳🇱: Well its over. LET'S GET BACK TO BUSINESS!
🇮🇩: UUGGHHHH!! 😡
At first, thank you for your great movie. Greetings from Japan.
I especially interested in the "pemudas" in the Independent era, because I'd understood them as present paramilitary groups. I was astonished that pemudas had such important roles from the era and in nationalist movement.
Moreover, from movie and comments, I was able to understand deeper about the meaning of "Police Actions" that they weren't just an propaganda but Dutch govt still regard these ops as riot policing.
BTW, some comments refer to Japanese brutality in their occupations, like Internment or romusha. I also think that these terrible things were exist indeed, but much of we Japanese civilian also violated, persecuted or executed out of law by Allied forces or administrates around WWII era. So please forgive me that I cannot nestle by your side.
Atleast, some Japanese also helped in the Indonesian independence revolution. such as Admiral Tadashi Maeda and thousands of former Imperial Japanese Army soldiers who assisted the "Pemuda"/TNI in fighting the Dutch between 1946-1949.
Pemuda means shonen in your language. Its not paramilitary youth but rather the youth themselves whos got political, radicalized and militarized from being put back into third class citizen and racial deragotary law again by the dutch
Plus the Europeans have been brutally occupying the Asian and Africa colonies for decades in some cases over a century
For more indonesian "feel" i suggest you to wear batik cloth indy.
Roxas Karagi I don’t think they sell batik in where Indy lived. Especially during COVID-19 pandemic going around.
Selendang will be good
His jacket is Batik felt enough, I think that's what they're trying to accomplish
We were planning on Joram bringing one, but he couldn't come to the studio because of the Coronavirus.
And the kopiah for a more nationalist feel ahaha
People forget that nearly 10,000 japanese defected and fought for the viet minh in their war of independence i don't know but i read some literature that said the same ofr indonesia
Great episode!
Thanks!
You Sir have just retell the story that I've heard thousands of times much much more interesting and passionate then any of my Indonesian history ever. If only my teacher is as passionate as you, I might become a historian myself. Pramoedya is the first to really open my eyes to the interesting events. Thank you for making this video!
Throughout the history, Indonesia just keep getting betrayed by foreign countries, even as far as Hinduism-Buddhism era with Srivijaya & Majapahit era. But they will keep the struggle for unity & very much easy to forgive for the sake of peace. Indonesia is one of the rarest country with multiple mixed cultures & religions (Animism-Hinduism-Buddhism-Islam-Christian) & those cultures still survive to this day even from centuries of colonization.
Japan is probably one of the closest ally of Indonesia as of now & I have never seen Indonesians being bitter & keep demanding apologize to Japan like some other ex-colonized Japan countries. The same thing with Netherlands too.
Although, I would argue that if Japan actually keep their promises & make Indonesia one of their allies, Japan would probably had more military & economic power in the efforts of war. I believe there were some Japanese leaders/officers that refused the plan on betraying/colonizing Indonesia instead, some of them even helped the eventual Indonesia true independence.
thanks for covering my country's history. gotta say i haven't heard about the event of "bersiap" mentioned in my history class before (it literally translates to "the preperation" in english) and i thank you for mentioning it. i also only heard stories about some of the japanese sided with the allies to fight the locals, while some joined them, but never thought those were true. and btw nice batik suit you're wearing. you have my massive respect sir
japan sided with both the Indos and Indonesian in a different timeline, because they have to survive politics, and they can't go back home, if you think about it there is no moral here but for the natives, politic make ppl do weird things.
The part at 9:25 speaks as if the Japanese killed the Indonesians for no reason, but the facts are different. It is called the Semarang Incident and is known in Indonesia as the Five Day War (Pertempuran lima hari).
It was an armed clash between the Japanese and Indonesian Independents that took place in Semarang, Java from October 15 to October 19, 1945, just after World War II. Conflict broke out over the handover of weapons held by the Japanese, and Indonesian militiamen executed a large number of Japanese civilians who were detained by the Japanese militia, while the Japanese overpowered the Indonesian side after a battle.
Between 1,000 and 2,000 people were killed on the Indonesian side and more than 200 people, including civilians, were killed or missing on the Japanese side.
The purpose of the Japanese war was to "Liberate the Asian region from White Occupation". And Japan achieved its objective. Unfortunately, though, it was Communism that really won the war. Both the Roosevelt administration in the US and the brains of the Japanese cabinet were infiltrated by the Comintern, which came from the Soviets.
As an Indonesian, my school did not teach history this way. Granted, they tried to keep our nationalism. Still though, this is surprising history. And yet i'm a person who's not really into history that much. Keep it up, we're loving the content!
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The aftermath and effects of the Battle of Surabaya will be significant I expect, given that the British are already so stretched in Malaya, Singapore, Burma and India, to just name a few. They probably do not want to get entrenched in yet another conflict in Indonesia. Who knows, the British might yet change sides! But one thing is sure: things are sure going to get messy from now on...
yes the battle of Surabaya had a big influence on Britain because after the battle the British no longer supported the Dutch instead turned to support the Republic.
And the British thought it was futile for the army to die against the people who wanted independence.
It's my understanding that ( in the main ) the " British " troops that fought to occupy Surabaya were, at least in the initial stages, Indian troops serving under British officers for the last combat operation in which that would be the case. The British Indian Raj was in its final days and the Indian National Congress under Nehru vociferously protested their use to reimpose colonial rule.
Indy, a fun fact you forget to tell. The text of the proclamation of independence was writen and anounced at the house of Japanese Admiral Tadashi Maeda, who was very supportive of our nationalist movement. He was the head of the Japanese navy in Indonesia at the time.
Well also its kinda sad.because Indonesia wanted a peaceful transition for the independence...but at that time the Dutch and other European colonist didnt realize the new paradigm after world war II ends.so the bloody independence war where the native people vs their former European masters on the third world country happen.perhaps if the Dutch and the other European colonist realize the new paradigm after world war II perhaps there will be Lesser or even no more "collateral damage" like in the bersiap period.
I fear there would have been collateral damage either way. People can be easily swayed by propaganda and emotions to do terrible things. Even if the Dutch/Brits would've acknowledged the independence something like the Bersiap period seems very inevitable to me. And even though it's understandable, it's still terrible
wouldn't say it is that black and white. There has long been the sense that indonesia would inevitably become independent (though further in the future) and that the dutch should build up the country. This sentiment was, as far as I know, kicked of by the book 'Max Havelaar' which unearthed the moral and ethical problems there to the public.
The gouvernor-general had a speach in 1946 stating the whish to first restore order and then work with the nationalist to realise their goal of independence, which the dutch state could and/or should (depending on interpretation) not prevent.
@@zephyros256 i didnt see the Dutch have a Goodwill for Indonesia independence shortly after world war II ends.on my perspective if Indonesian didnt resist for their independence...Im sure it Will be take such a long time for Indonesia to achieve their independence.
@@thalutabdulhalimhafiz3863 possibly. It is not like everyone would be in favour or against, which would reflect itself in government and the central government at the time was certainly against.
Also, this episode showed how sukarno wished for a peaceful resolution, but was forced by his supporters into an armed rebellion a few month later. When this gets reported in the mainland (a message of indonesia declaring independence and wanting a peaceful resolution, followed closely by attacks on dutch and dutch-indonesians), I can understand a certain amount of scepticism for their earlier claim of wanting a peaceful resolution.
Should the government have been clear and forthcoming in agreeing to a peaceful and negotiated independence? certainly yes, and they probably didn't because a fair portion did not want to be the government to 'lose' the dutch indies.
Before WWII, the sentiment in the Netherlands and among the Dutch government in Indonesia that it would have been at least 100 years before independence was to be given. Even in 1942, when Pangeran Adipati Soejono, the only Indonesian minister ever, was part of the Dutch govenment in exile in London, suggested for giving independence it was rejected, even by queen Wilhelmina, at that time.
Very interesting content of events that are not well publicized. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Are you moving on to a post war south east Asia. Very much ignored area of history but so relevant to our current geo-political positions
Ignored because Indonesia are among the leaders who created the NAM (Non Aligned Movement) during the Cold war. with member of 110 countries from Asia, Africa, South America, Yugoslavia, and some east Europe. These are group of countries known today as the 3rd world countries.
Because of they chose to not picked sides, the West (1st world countries) stereotyped them as backward, poor and underdeveloped countries. even until today.
There's other history in Indonesia that almost forgotten by the west, it was about the Spice War.. for my understanding, it was too humiliating for the west.
Wow, well n good introdrus too, much info n knowledge from this video, the voice make feeling sad, funny, deep story mix feeling when watch this video
I think Indi will also mention that, but for people who wonder why the Dutch had to intervene so hard from 1946 onwards, You must understand what the feeling in the Netherlands was about Soekarno etc. The Dutch saw Soekarno as a collabator, just like the NSB and Dutch SS were viewed as collabators. Soekarno has (as clearly mentioned in this video) worked a lot with the Japanese so that was not surprising to think. another thing mentioned in this video are the work camps where the Dutch were put in by the Japanese. Because of that Japan was seen as bad as Nazi Germany in the Netherlands. and the indonesian nationalists helped the Japanese. if you look at it from this perspective, intervention is not strange.
Job Franschman And the most logical option is to reinstate colonial rule? The Indonesian leaders collaborated worth the Japanese in hopes of establishing an independent Indonesia after the war.
I do believe there’s a difference between collaborators in the Netherlands and collaborators in the former Dutch East Indies. Collaborators in the Netherlands wished for the overthrow of your government back home, a government that is supported by the majority of the population. Meanwhile in what is now Indonesia, the government established by the Dutch were unpopular amongst the masses, which coincides with the rising tide of nationalism. The Dutch has imposed an unpopular government on the Indonesian people, who are occupied by a foreign power from the Netherlands.
Honestly, despite the vile actions of the Axis powers, I don’t want to put WW2 as a moral crusade like what many Allied countries believed to be. War is 100% brutal and evil, no matter on whose side you’re on. Many countries and collaborators supported the Axis because the Allies has failed diplomatically to satisfy their desires.
The Indonesians weren’t like collaborators of other Axis countries where they seek more land, to commit war crimes, or to fight for fascism. The Indonesian leaders even insisted on the rejection of the fascist system like they’ve seen in Japan and Germany. They just wanted to be independent, just like what the Entente gave to many countries in Europe at the end of WW1. Surely, with many Allied powers were formerly from the Entente and had fought to liberate Europe from Axis tyranny, they should be open to discussions about decolonization.
Alexander Christopher you have to watch it at that time. I did not say that it was a good action to intervene militarily. I showed the Dutch side of the story. The Dutch saw "Indonesia" as their country. because it was like that for a long time. Indonesia was never a country before the Dutch came. you also have to include those work camps very much in the reason why the Dutch were so anti Japan and therefore also nationalist Indonesians. those camps were just as bad as the Nazi camps, only they were not gassed. many Dutch people had family in that camps. you have to look from their perspective. and of course indonesia had to become independent. that had happened anyway. it would have been better if the netherlands had got it back without a war and then prepared for independence. that probably would have been given somewhere in the 50s or early 60s.
@@jobfranschman8436 I disagree.
1. "The Dutch saw "Indonesia" as their country.
A : Which good country kill their own citizen?
2. the indonesian nationalists helped the Japanese
A : Of course they did, you keep them under the thumb for so long when other "fellow asian" came to help them of course they will happily accept rather than the known oppressive white lord they currently have.
3. Indonesia was never a country before the Dutch came.
A : False, Indonesia is indeed not a country but before colonialism start there are countless kingdom in indonesia one of such example is Yogyakarta sultanate, est 1755 later annexed after the brutal war in 1830.
Citation and reference :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogyakarta_Sultanate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_War (quite an interesting part here, the dutch pit the sultanate against the javanese aka javanese vs javanese then annex the sultanate after it weakened, really despicable.)
@@ham1672 Nononono I am not asking or apology, I am only asking for acknowledgment. We all know we can;t change the past, but I only want people to NOT pervert the past. Do not whitewash it.
@@ham1672 I don't know what drug you are on but can you share me some of that? Your comment is hilarious.
Thanks for exploring our history.
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This video would have been better if you talked deeper about the thousands of Japanese pan-Asianist, anti-western officers who remained in Indonesia and Vietnam after the August 1945 surrender and helped train local troops to fight for Independence. Many Japanese officers taught in Viet Cong Academies to help train them in jungle warfare. At one point the French were ready to negotiate peace with Ho Chi Minh in exchange for these Japanese officers, Ho Chi Minh refused and prolonged that war for 7 more years.
Always been interested in this war.
mitzvah golem that is the flag of Luxembourg
mitzvah golem ??
to be exact "How USA play Dutch over Indonesia".
Your explanation is quite objective sir! and very scientific based on historical facts. thank you very much 🙏
Thanks Imran we appreciate the kind words.
PETA : Pembela(Defender) Tanah Air(of Homeland/Fatherland/motherland)
Thank you very much for covering this part of dutch/indonesian history. I am personally thrilled to hear your view on this. My grandfather joined the KNIL after the war and was send to Indonesia during the "Politionele Acties". We don't know very much about what happened to him over there because he talked very little about it.
Thank you! We will get to the Police Actions in the 1947 and 1948 episodes!
Don't forget the Japanese Zero pilots, who stayed behind after the end of Imperial Japanese rule and helped build the nascent Indonesian Air force to defend against Dutch/European colonial power!
Very interesting, I didn't know about this.
Good to learn more of this war since I'm Dutch and we don't get anything about it in school or anything. Since it's not really something we can talk about. Those veterans who supported the Indonesians are still banned from ever returning and count as traitors. (No contact is allowed with these people either so families got torn apart). The king did apologize earlier this year to Indonesia but that wasn't for all the colonial stuff and the war at all but only for the army being unnecessarily violent to civilians.
As a Dutchman it will be interesting to see this series
I'm half Friesian.
As a second generation Indonesian living in the Netherlands this really gives some perspectives on both histories I know.
ky kale I agree
Thanks so much for captioning this on release!
You're welcome!
To put out simply, It was all Japanese fault that we got our independence. lol...
I think you should also point out the dualism of Japanese behavior regarding Indonesian independence. I think there were different opinion between the Japanese central government in the Japanese mainland who want to give Indonesia to the allies and the officers of Japanese occupational forces who want to give Indonesia independence. The officers such as Rear Admiral Tadashi Maeda who gave his place for Soekarno and Hatta to draft the proclamation speech thought Indonesia should get the independence. The Japanese occupational forces also halfheartedly helped the allies forces to maintain the order. In some regions they just gave away their weapons to the Indonesian people without resistance which made the allies furious because they were the one who supposed to disarm them.
While sure, we could have covered this more in depth, we do cover in this episode how the Japanese promised to liberate Indonesia from their European occupiers and to give them independence eventually - which is reflected in some of their policies as well. But after the Japanese surrender, Japanese fought to preserve the pre-war status quo o the side of the British and Dutch, while others defected and joined the Indonesians in their pursuit of an independent Indonesia.
@@TimeGhost Thank you, I really appreciate your perspective about Indonesia independence history. It gives new nuance to my insight in our national history. Can't wait for your next video.
After so many years of disliking history in school, mostly because of boring teachers, thank goodness (and TimeGhost) for these series! Especially this one, being from The Netherlands myself.
The jacket and another appearance of a cat only add to it. Looking forward to the next episodes!
We believed that Japanese empire was about to liberate us from European colonizers, but unfortunatelly it was a scam. Sadly Japan never admitted their behaviors during their militaristic dream in 1930s-1940s
@@joshuacondell1686 the regular folk dont have access to information from the outside world
@@joshuacondell1686 Indonesia in Dutch colonial era was a mess, information from outside world was so rare, dude
@@joshuacondell1686 the ones that have information is the riches. And if they spread it they know they will be dead. It will be better for them to keep their mouths shut at the time
@@joshuacondell1686 these were Asians though. Compared to the western Dutchmen, they would seem a lot more familiar
@@joshuacondell1686 well in the Javanese myth a prophecy mention that "the Javanese would be ruled by whites for 3 centuries and by yellow dwarfs for the life span of a maize plant prior to the return of the Ratu Adil: whose the name must contain at least one syllable of the Javanese Noto Nogoro."
I'm Indonesian and I appreciate you making this video.
You're welcome!
PETA : pembela tanah air(Defender of homeland:Defender of Motherland(cause i am indonesian always remind indonesia as motherland(ibu pertiwi in indonesian language)
Wait? How have I only discovered this channel now!? Indy looks epic!
How indeed? Are you aware of ua-cam.com/users/worldwartwo ?
It was true. Japan wanted to liberate us in SouthEastAsia
Yet under the Japanese, economic exploitation continued - leading to the deaths of millions through famine and hard labour.
@@TimeGhost and before the japanese the collonials powers didnt do the same thing? Look at my neighbouring country indonesia. The died in thousands . Most of it not even recorded in hisory as history were written by the winners
Thats why I wrote 'continued'.
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"Didn't see cat coming, did ya."
The jacket blinded me.
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That jacket is awesome, Indy!
Strange how he never calls the javans/Indonesians racist even while describing racist attacks by them
It's their country
Well you need to remember it's time of disorder, the hatred for the dutch and all it's collaborator that burried under the colonial rule is about to erupt.
It's now or never, become 100% independence or back to become the lowest class of the society where the native indonesian seen as not higher than a dog.
And i'm not joking there is literally a photo of restaurant that forbidden the native and dog to in.
@@1sanitat1 so according to you, you can attack others of your in your own country?
@@morewi if they are foreign occupiers trying to enslave you once more, then yes, you can certainly attack them
@@morewi no, but if they are attacked I can the understand the reasons behind it. Violence is not desirable but it will certainly happen, as with radical nationalists in this case.
I always loved history that involving independence, their spirit and will of indepence from the people is really a fascinating story to hear
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Respect for Indonesian Permuda from Ukraine.
Ukraine was actually one of the country that supported Indonesia Independence in the eyes of UN, when most western allied countries wanna keep Dutch claws in Indonesia. So Respect to Ukraine too.
@@crozraven Actually i found history of Indonesia and Ukraine kind of similar in and after WW2. Permuda is alike Ukrainian Insurgent Army
I think you also need to cover the british soldier mostly from the british raj that deserted and support the indonesian.
Also more about the different side like the islamist and the left, they're both important player in indonesia independence
This is not the only episode. Why not wait and see what happens?
A curious legacy of Japanese rule is the formidable power of Islam in Indonesia today. It was the Japanese who created "Hizbullah" and "Sabilillah" as Javanese jihadist forces... giving an energy boost to Indonesia's ongoing Islamisation.
Could you please talk about the "indos"(mixed asian/european offspring and the dutch colonizers) they made up 80% of the 250,000 "Europeans" in the colony in 1940, and they held administrative and military roles during the Dutch rule
Everything is correct. Damn it's very impressive you tell the story, almost makes me cried.
The Patriotic national mindset of Indonesian pretty hard core, in the event of any invasion we are willing to sacrifice for motherland.
I spent 6 weeks travelling through Indonesia all the way from Bali through to Sumatra and it was a truly wonderful experience with a truly wonderful people. Having said that as an American I had one funny story in Bali on a Bus going to Java where there was one last empty seat next to mine and a woman got on the bus carrying the usual loads of chickens and what not and when she went to sit out down she looked at me and went bezerk. The whole bus started laughing and they told me I had to move because she thought I was Dutch (I'm American obviously...a rare sight outside the USA back then in the late 1980s.) The rest of the bus thought that event was truly fun tho so whatever bad may have been done then it's long over for the population now. There were interesting issues with *you're CIA!* in many first encounters but soon they realized there was no way I was CIA (I wasn't but I was 19 years old so I thought it an odd thing back then). They'd open right up and like I said there's no resentment at all that I encountered there. Quite the opposite oddly enough. Gave me a deep and abiding dislike for the modern World ever since oddly enough but definitely not for Indonesia.
Thanks for sharing!
@array s yups 5% of balinese was gone during that time, I think they became the most victims back then second only to javanese who lost millions more.
but the only thing I don't understand is people always argue that during 1965 tragedy, it was the chinese who became victim the most, which is not true statistically speaking.
Thank you for making this informative documentary that is rarely understood outside Indonesia in such detail and with local perspectives. Also, you chose a very cool narrator, with an awesome jacket.
What happened to Indonesia happened to Croatia too. We just wanted independence and we did everything for it. Croats were killed in Italian camps in Dalmatia, there were Croats running away to Egypt do get away from Germans and Italians. Independent State of Croatia was a quisling nation but it gave us a boost for independence for Croatia same as Indonesia. Croat army was good but state was shit, people wanted to let yews live because the did nothing to us, but Serb killed civilians, stole our land and destroyed our culture and took it as their own.
Suddenly in the last sentences, you reminded me of a famous quote from Call of Duty Modern Warfare
@@jurtra9090 idk never played it :(
Nothing but pure respect to the croats ✊
Great episode, so much I had no idea about.
Thanks!
This is some history that teachers do not teach. because they want to demonize Japan. I am from Indonasia and my grandma told me she was so thankful when the Japanese came to Indonesia. They are the true hero and the true liberator of Asia. Without them, we would still have been colonized by the west!!! Arigato Gozaimashita!!
Japan demolished the image of invincibility of the European powers in Asia. Good for the long term
Excellent new series!
Can you do one with the Japanese soldiers who served alongside with the Indonesians? Also, can you do one with the Japanese soldiers serving with the viet minh fighting against the French in Indochina after WW2? Source for last question. www.warbirdforum.com/japviet.htm
*You make history cool*
Thanks!