Arista 7050T - A 10Gb, 48 port Ethernet Switch For $300?! Tested.
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
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My "don't buy it, it's obsolete ... but its a really good deal so pick one up" counter broke on this video
I am Wendell this is L1, *squeaky excited voice* I bought like 5 of these, signing out! :D
Literally was just reading a thread about Arista switches, what a good day :). Thank you for giving us another great video @Level1Techs!
Thank you wendel for yet another fantastic video. You're such an amazing person when it comes to reviewing technology like this. Bringing up things that most people would never find or figure out existed.
Thank you.
We should do a drinking game on many times you said 40Gb is obsolete. Seriously, 40Gb is not obsolete. 25Gb is newer, but I've not seen anyone deploy it on a massive scale yet. It will be several years before it becomes mainstream. And 800ns latency is super low on uplinks, but 3.3us comes from serialization delay from using rj45 ports. You'll never see a low latency switch using copper rj45 ports for that reason. SFP+ is the way to go.
8:06 when you know that you probably don't need one but you buy 5 because .... Wheel it's cool 😅
rofl he said it with such a guilty voice XD!!
Bummer - I see this video and immediately go search eBay and the cheapest is $1200 now :(
Random note: "Jigga-watt" is just an older pronunciation of Gigawatt, it still means a billion watts. The really odd thing about it though is that in BTTF Doc Brown uses the older "Jigga" pronunciation in both 1985 and 1955, even though the term wasn't even created until the 60s and "Jigga" had died out years before 1985.
These switches are now stupid expensive. $1200ish USD for one now. No longer the bargain it once was.
It's now over two years later and the lowest price i can find is 1400 euro (1600 USD).
No freaking way I just bought one of these last week, and it will be here today!
I'll be on the forums with updates un mine
Cool switch i just wish a switch like that which still has the standard that is usable by 10Gbps NICs was only around $500 on ebay. The $300ish ones have already sold out. Probably in part due to this video. I am sure someone needs the older tech version of it for their network as a entire network upgrade is expensive. The people who control the money in the company usually do not like it when the cost is several thousand per few years unless there is a direct benefit they can see.
i'm curious what you're going to use them for with 5 of these
What kind of power usage do you see on it?
I'm curious about that too... A few retired switches I have bought in the past consume between 50 and 100W with nothing plugged in... After a bit of Googling, the PDF on Arista's site said "Typical power draw less than 6W per port" so a 48 port would be 288 watts? I would assume that is a fully loaded switch...dear God I hope that is with a fully loaded switch!
@@danroberts7975 Exactly, and with the power costs around here reaching over $0.50/kwh in the summer, that potential 288 watts adds up VERY quickly into making a more expensive, lower power switch worth it.
@@UnreasonableSteve 150w on mine
@@UnreasonableSteve That is about $82.08 a month at 228 watts yikes
@@xphilee That's insane for 'just' switching.
It's been a year now. It there another switch at a good value that we should be looking at?
I went for the 40Gbe because the price of ebay available 40Gbe gear now and if I like to go 100Gbe later then I need to replace devices anyway.
One note is these are available in both front to rear and rear to front airflow configs. Just be sure it's all the same and not mix and match. These are full layer 3 so routing, switching, everything is configurable if you take the time to learn it. The manual fit these are complete but not ment to teach you how to use it. Glad I got mine before the Wendell price jump kicked in.
Would be way overkill for me. As I just needed two machines with a highspeed connection I bought 2 Mellanox cards & cables with 25Gb.
Arista 7050T and you bought 5 of them o_O
I remember this as THE power hog 10GbE switch from my network rack.
A while back it got swapped with a newer Unifi ES‑16‑XG(wasn't using all 48 ports anyhow) and a Zyxel XS 1920.
Apparently they go up to 1000+usd on ebay now
I love my 100GB switches because I can just fanout four 25GB connections from each port to my servers.
The 7100 series, which is not quite as capable (no 40gig QSFP ports, smaller table sizes) is also inexpensive. Look for the 7124/7148 models.
Andrew Fort actually the asic is older in those. The 7150 is the one that is more awesome
@@InIMoeK Thanks for the correction, I get confused between the original 7000 and the 7050, 7050X, 7050X2, 7060, 7100 and 7150 series :-). It is best to get one which has at least 2× the current image size in flash, with some headroom for newer EOS versions, since old kit often has software support after end-of-sale.
Andrew Fort there are some stripped down versions, but you will miss out on functionality. But for lab use they will be fine ( less the noise :) )
@@InIMoeK right - EOS is the same, only chipset features differ, typically L2/L3/OpenFlow table sizes for the top of rack models in question (Trident vs Trident 2 ASICs). For home/office networks there's plenty of space. AVB support in EOS is another plus in my audio lab/network.
Wow, people are already trying to jump the prices up to pre-obsolete levels... I saw one going for nearly 2K. Thankfully not all the listings are like that.
40gbps is not "obsolete". both SFP+ and QSFP+ are still very much widespread and still being produced and sold.
sure, a lot of the higher end stuff is SFP28 and QSFP28, but that doesn't mean Q/SFP+ is antiquated.
40gbps is actually eol in favor of 4 channel 25gbps hahaha 40gbps is 4x10gps which is pretty meh and not power friendly
@@Level1Techs that's like saying USB 3 is obsolete and EOL because USB 3.2 exists.
currently Q/SFP28 is more expensive (although granted, not by much).
all manufacturers (yes including cisco) are still releasing new Q/SFP+ products across their lower end devices.
SFP+ is definitely lower end, but not at all obsolete.
The point was that companies still doling out obsolete 40gbpd qsfp+ gear are doing their customers a disservice because the set of standards for 10/25/100 gig are much more sane, and lower latency. You would have to use a 100gbps port on new gear to link it to your 40gbps gear which has been problematic for me in my experience. 40gbps is an old standard not perfectly compatible with new stuff and the recommendations for people with old stuff is going to be to break out 40gbps into 4x10gbps for the uplink instead of using qsfp+ stacking. It's a trash fire, in practice, on current equipment. Instead save yourself headache and spend slightly more so vendors like cisco don't sucker you into buying their old stock crap they had laying around....
@@Level1Techs that is true of course.
but the thing you're not taking into account is cost. SFP28 is still, unfortunately, more expensive. a 40gbps transceiver costs the same as a 25gbps one. unless you think you're going to actually use the 60gbps extra bandwidth, it might not be worth the extra cost for you.
and you keep saying "old stuff". like i said, Q/SFP+ is still being manufactured and sold in 2020 quite broadly, it is not EOL.
there's a reason if you check at fs.com, the most popular transceivers and cables are Q/SFP+. it is significantly cheaper.
what you might say is that there's no upgrade path, which is correct (although the same is true for Q/SFP28 since bleeding edge stuff is now Q/SFP56 and beyond, which goes to 200gbps).
There are consequences beyond the link speed you don't mention, like rdma. Don't buy new gear with eol fittings. Whatever you "save" on cost up front will cost headache down the line expecting things like low latency rdma forwarding to work properly. The older 10gbps/40gbps standards are not great and what's been done in newer gear to address flaws in the old standards leads to weird behavior. it's not worth my time to chase down that sort of stuff in "new" 40gbps equipment...
Thanks for info! I dig old server stuff
Ive been buying these things as low-cost cisco alternatives for about 2 years now. Nice to see that I am not as crazy as people tell me. For even less money, there are Quanta ones. But I really would not buy RJ45, its really not worth the extra power.
How is 800ns 10G obsolete? Most switches have several times that latency for any interface speed.
Thanks for the video, I'd love to see some more networking videos
0:10 Gigawatts ARE a thing. 1 gigawatt = 1 billion watts. Doc just pronounces it with a "J" sound similar to "George" or "Geoff" or how some people pronounce GIF as "jif".
Why not get one with all sfp+ ports
Great video!
I would really like to see a video addressing your thoughts on decentralized internet. An internet from the people for the people.
what do you mean decentralized internet in a sort of war internet is already decentralized since there is no single locatation where internet goes trought or everything is on
The price of these have gone up over the years.
Cisco Nexus switches also run Linux in a similar fashion, if you are used to the Cisco interface, they can be had for similar prices. The Nexus 3064 would be comparable.
Hm, how about uploading it a day or two before release and then set the relase date something later? That way we can see it in glorious 1080p as soon as it goes live and don't have to wait for the encode to finish and try to watch it like in the olden days, with just 360p...
Stefan Payne complainers gonna complain.
Had a last min broll fix and tomorrow has a vid too
Why not do all sfp+? Isn’t 10gbe run much hotter and older tech?
Arista is awesome! In bash you can do cool stuff. But they are loud!!
If you only need a few ports get the mikrotik CRS305
@Damian Chiliński how much? EDIT:
wow CRS305 about 110$
also that one is passively cooled and uses 50x less power than this one. to be fair it also has 10x less ports, but are 48 really needed? Old enterprise switches are power hungry, those fans are there for a reason. If you don't have dirt cheap electricity but pay >10ct/kWh these costs quickly add up.
I just wonder if you take off those fans, what happens? And passively add copper heat sinks...
@Damian Chiliński They should get busy and make a 48 port and a 48port POE so i can get rid of the piece of shit unifi switches at work. oh and they need a 3x3 ac wifi wall mountable AP too
360p gang
*the young say 'squad'
360p on a 1440p monitor looks amazing :D
Ah this'll be the one you were talking about on twitter. I wondered what was going on, now I understand per the tweet :p
Its funny that now these are $1150
They're not $300. Nowhere near it. Even the E-Bay listing you show in the video had a $480 buy it now.
Looks like prices bounced back up to over $1500 :(
Hi Wendell, thanks for making this video! I’m watched it over and over, as I’m at a lost as what to do for my work network. I run a video production company. Most of our files are 4K ProRes 4444 HQ files (these are huge). I have a super micro server running FreeNAS 11, with an Intel Optane 900p SLOG, 128 gb ram and lots of L2Cache NVMe cache (deciding what to do there). We’ve 48 hard disks so we should have a good amount of through put.
I need to hook the server up to 4 macOS workstations for shared media editing directly from the server. I currently have Chelsio T62100 nics.
I can buy this switch and connect the main workstations via QFSP+ or stick to 10bgps and buy a modern switch/router like a microtek. Is the 800 nano second latency a factor here? I can’t fingur out if the latency in a $300-$500 modern switch would actually be any lower. MikroTek doesn’t have that data, I talked to an engineer. Can I ask your source for the latency information?
I want a blazing fast connection for all of the workstations, with no stutter or play head delay. Anyway, love the channel. - Patrick Wilcox, Colorways.
I can still return the current nics and start from scratch without a cost.
The only switches that will have better latency start at around $ 1500 for a 16 port. If your workstations are 10 gig, then this switch will be decent. Note that optane is great for latency but if your file server has a 40 gig link you may need several optane for slog. Test with a pool consisting of spindles only. Big files/work hard. Then add the slog and retest writes to the pool. The retest with l2arc. You have a lot of work ahead of you. Be sure to enable autotune on freenas as it can. Help set some tubables for you for performance...
Btw Wendel, did you ever do something with DPDK nowadays? I got insane results at my work testing this stuff!
We need to make Jigawatts a thing.
Has been a thing for years kinda like internets. Lol
I need 2 of these switches. To replace my Juniper 2200-C switches with 1 gig interfaces. unfortunately I have xfinity with 1g ⬇️ 35mbps ⬆️
Do you have a more deep dive into this switch? What kind of Linux is possible now? Can I run Cumulus or OPX? How much power does it draw? Can you run apps on it like wireshark or router etc? Are there any licensing limitations with these like the Brocade and some Cisco models? How do these compare to the other Arista models like the DCS-7050S & DCS-7050SX or DCS-7124S-R
These things are going for $1200 now on ebay
Does it annoy anyone else the adapter at about 1:00 never got fully pushed into the port? What a tease
just the tip, and only for a minute.
If you're fancy enough to need/afford one of these, does that make you an Arista-crat?
(just spitballing here)
You know where the door is
ive scrolled through the comments and couldnt find any hints on powerconsumption. how much power does it draw without anything connected? because its 10GBASE-T i would assume its higher than 100watts at idle. is this so? does anyone have one of these and some real world infos? even with some ports connected it would be a good reference because without attaching cables to the ports nobody would use such device for just idle‘ing😅
what fans could I upgrd this switch to?
My immediate thought. Could you run it as an utterly insane overkill all-in-one router/gateway for a homelab? The big question is, does the internal Linux have an actual port on the switch itself, so it could do basic routing tasks..
Yes. It routes and you can configure packet filters on layer 3 interfaces. Download the Arista EOS manual PDF or check out Gary A. Donahue's book "Arista Warrior" for more.
ASIC in that will do line rate L3 forwarding on all ports
@@timburton1080 Exactly. The L3 addresses configured on the switch do get configured as Linux interfaces and terminate traffic for routing and management protocols. Otherwise, as you say, traffic through the box is routed and switched by the Broadcom (Trident) ASICs inside.
CPU is an Athlon Neo X2. Later 1U switches used AMD's Kabini and Steppe Eagle APUs.
Probably like 700€ in Europe tn
More like 1000+€
Yeah...
No, I buy the sfp version for 600 eur including shipping
How much power, noise and cooling?
was this uploaded from 4k ? classic youtube
Obsolete for the cutting edge, but perfectly cromulent for just about every SMB and homelabbers.
Would be smucking fart if you could install a router software on the linux side?
Uh, these should come with routing software as far as I know.
One of Arista's biggest selling points is that they have better software and protocol compatibility than whitebox switch vendors.
PRICES OVER $1000++ NOW. Don't bother looking anymore. Everybody else discovered these gold mines and drove up prices :(
Anyway, that thing inside looks like an AMD SB600, so dual Core Phenom or Dual Core K8 inside??
Well the spec sheet says a dual core x86 processor. So maybe a low power model optimized for what switches do. Unsure why x86 would be used on a layer 2, Layer 3 switch also unsure how a Layer 3 network device can still be a switch and not a router. A custom CPU with a custom cut down x86 instruction set might have been better for it but that requires making a new chip and non-mass production, meaning billions of units, costs lots of money for small gains in performance.
@@yumri4 Naa, its probably an off the shelves Turion II K625, (or other K10 based chip) as it is DDR-3 SDRAM, I'd say its more likely a newer version and not the SB600.
Chipset is the 780G or 785G probably. Maybe 690G - or whatever AMD found in the dumpster to sell for cheap...
@@Stefan_Payne maybe nothing online says what it is .... though the linux code will have to know to run on it. To that in time the community will know. Maybe not the name it is marketed under but the name of what it is.
Arista 😍
is it PoE?
with the chip shortage still in full effect in the network industry these are now going for $3500+ on ebay, lmao
300$ or 1500$?
Personally, I wouldn't buy an RJ45 switch for anything above 5G. For 10G, you want SFP+ ports so you can run fibre or direct attach copper for an order of magnitude better latency than even modern 10GBase-T.
this
some people want bandwidth instead of latency, though.
@@BikingWIthPanda 10GBase-SR gives you better everything.
But what does that actually mean for your intranet? Cause your not getting throughput to an isp at that rate. Is this specifically for system to system transfers at your local network, and if so what kind of crazy network can you possibly have that requires 5!of them???
These switches and their brothers like the 48x SFP+ & 16x QSFP are $2k in 2022 sadly
Why are all the toys so expensive? sigh
I wonder if it runs linux
Mahx Designs it does. EOS = fedora
I want one.
Level1tech:
Can you upload this video on bitchute
with NO MUSIC
It would be nice to hear you talking with NO MUSIC AT ALL
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00:16 Not true. A soft 'g' for the prefix giga- is acceptable, though uncommon.
@0:11 great me?
Glorious 360p :(
It is really awesome that you are looking at Arista switches. They are pretty awesome. Also they are pretty darn reliable. They test every single switch that they sell.
However, you are pronouncing 'Arista' wrong. Here is an example video so you can see how it is pronounced: m.ua-cam.com/video/JaTN70ufBww/v-deo.html
video is chockfull of bullshit. 40G is not obsolete, nor is 10G, nor is 800n high latency for modern datacenter applications. Level 1 is RIGHT!
360p
360p squad :D
People complain too much on the internet. #360pFoLyfe
well when you 50k USD investment lasts 3 year before the standard changes wouldn't you complain? I wish I had 50k USD to blow on anything. I do not and most likely will never have 50k USD to my name in my life time ever.
@@yumri4 case and point...
@@kcocgibkcusuoy you're complaining about complaining. And this was an observation - not a complaint :D
@@joonasfi your observation of my observation of complaints sounds a lot like a complaint. 🤔🤭
@@kcocgibkcusuoy I know it sounds, that's why I put the pre-emptive disclaimer of non-complaint to the complaint of a complaint.
solution: just buy an infiniband switch instead
Oh thank goodness, a video without Ryan. I don't know why, but I just can't stand him. His voice, stupid comments, and terrible sense of humor just bugs me.
dont worry ryan cant stand you either
its not the hardware . time and time again we see video card releases
after 2-3 month driver update increase the fps by 10-20 % , look at
DOOM a vulcan titles , without vulcan ON fps at 60-70 fps, with
vulcan enabled 200 fps , did the hardware change NO , the hardware
got different instructions . ever knowtist how your video cards get
slower before new releases of new cards
its not the hardware . time and time again we see video card releases
after 2-3 month driver update increase the fps by 10-20 % , look at
DOOM a vulcan titles , without vulcan ON fps at 60-70 fps, with
vulcan enabled 200 fps , did the hardware change NO , the hardware
got different instructions . ever knowtist how your video cards get
slower before new releases of new cards