Apparently I caused some confusion about Managed vs Unmanaged. YES, this switch is a managed switch, by default booting into RouterOS. It can also run SwitchOS, documentation for both can be found here: mt.lv/help The device is capable of running unmanaged as well. According to MikroTik's documentation: "This device is not preconfigured, other than an IP address for management access, it can be used as a switch right away. You can connect from any port, as all ports are switched together by default. Other configuration has to be applied according to the documentation manual linked above." The point I was trying to make was the device can be used as a plug and play, OR as a managed switch or router. I did not communicate that clearly. Of course, in a production environment, I would always recommend changing default user names/passwords on a managed device. But for a home user, it's likely OK to run out of the box just as is. You need physical access to the device to address the management on it. And stop correcting my pronunciation of MikroTik. There are about a dozen 'corrections' below, and all of them are different.
Have you looked at fs.com? They are cheaper on pretty much everything you listed in the description and all built to work together. We use their fiber / DAC products at work with no issues. Switch and NIC aside of course...
Craft Computing so, you can check that the difference mmf versus smf you told is actually not true : by buying and putting in your walls a duplex smf fiber, with smf sftp+ allow you, with the same fiber installation, to go to 100 GBPs later, when with mmf, the current limitation is still 10gbps So. Basically.you advice people to use non upgradable fiber, (duplex mmf can do 1 and 10, and 40 Gbps, when a duplex smf allow from 1 to 100 gbps). The worth is the excuse that you told is that it’s for building for long distance : fair enough. But it doesn’t change the fact that investing on sfp+ + 5 meter duplex mmf om4 low lost is 35 euros , and sfp+ + duplex smf is 65 euros, but the cabling installation and all the money you put (especially true for sme/smb) to instal it (man hours) won’t be lost as you need to replace mmf with a mmf trunk later, which is then much more expensive ! To conclude, you can laugh about Linus tech (why not), but do not recommend things like that with fake serious excuse. When basically, the reality is that you build a cheap lost 10 Gbps network here, where all you money is lost, when you can plan and advice people properly with serious advice right from the beginning ! Thanks,for the switch test !
I specified in a home environment, there's no difference. And if you need 100Gb fiber, you are exceeding the 'home' spec, regardless of where you're running cable.
duplex OM3 / OM4 is 100gb capable, just with a cost of shorter ranges. Unless you plan on having single runs longer than 100 meters, OM3/4 will gladly do 100gbit in the future.
BTW for home deployments RJ45 10gb Base-T works fine over good cat5e. Before running fiber I just said 'why not' and gave it a try and iperf showed full 10gb. If you're going like 50meters definitely will need 6A but if you've already got good cat5e in the wall it.... Probably will be plenty fine
Yeah, not many people know this and scramble to get fiber or cat6. Which is OK, but depending on what's configured. It might not be necessary. Thanks for mentioning this.
@@cpypcy Kind of. The choice and flexibility can be overwhellming. Even for prosumers it can be a problematic. Long story short: SFP+, 10BASE-SR (850nm , multi mode in duplex on two fibers), LC (Lucent Connector) plugs, multimode OM3 fiber (you can also do fine with OM4). That is all. Do not try to overcomplicate it. The only thing that is hard is making custom lengths of cables. Where you might need to order them, as the equipement to splice cables and connectors isn't supper cheap. (But honestly isn't supper expensive either if you want to play along). Or just take multiple cables and connect them using adapters. Should be perfectly fine for less than 200meters.
It's starting to, but until it shows up in hundred dollar laptops, and built into $50 motherboards, it'll remain an expensive oddity. GigE is built into almost everything. When's the last time you bought a stand-alone network card? Gig switches can be found in almost any retail outlet these days. (I've seen them in grocery stores!) And they're disposable-cheap. 10G is still an order of magnitude (or more) more expensive (per port), and available almost nowhere. (certainly in retail)
This is actually a fully managed switch and router (layer 3). It can be used with internal switch in bridge mode for pure switching, or setup arbitrary config with each port being on separate network (not just VLAN), and do routing using a built in CPU and OS. You can switch between switch and router modes during boot. When in router mode, one can also configure a subset of ports to be a switch (or switches) and others to be independent and do routing between networks. You an use all fancy mikrotik features, log via Web, telnet, ssh or use their app to manage bunch of these. Or point to master management switch to have one place to manage all gear. BTW. When in routing mode it will be using the on board CPU to do all packet routing, and that it is going to be slow. You might be able to get to 1Gbps, maybe 2Gbps, but not really more. But if you want a single device, do a 10Gbps network with 3 computers, and use another port to connect to Internet and do NAT and routing, you can do it just fine with this device. I am pretty sure you can also run DHCP (for sure) and DNS (less sure) server on it if you want. And it supports IPv6 nicely. It is CRS - Cloud Router Switch.
Thanks for all the info. I had been wanting a 10GbE network in my home office for quite a while, but the cost kept me from doing so. I bought the MikroTik switch and everything else needed to network two computers and a NAS with 10GbE. It's working great and everything together with tax was under $325.
I can see the appeal of this setup. It is a nice option for those using SFP+. For those that have rack mount enterprise switches with an SFP+ connection, this would be perfect to tie into the rest of your network without the hassle of trying to daisy chain network cards between computers. Though the product came a bit too late for me. I've been running an Intel 550-T2 adapter in my server and ran a CAT6 cable to my desktop. It gave the option to hook up to two 10Gb cables directly to my server. Suits my needs and didn't require me to run fiber to my desktop.
Actually Cat 5e supports 10gb up to 40m Cat6 is 55m and Cat7 goes 100m soo there is a benefit for the sfp+ to rj45 and that case is if you need to run new cables through walls. in 99% of the time you can use the existing ethernet cables. But generally speaking you are right in like 80% of the time. For me personally id need to run a 40m fibre cable into the basement from my office and would need to tear down up some of my walls and i cant make tight enough bends with fibre in many cases, so a a rj45 adapter is my only option since i have 2 cat6 cables already in the walls.
One slight correction: Singlemode fiber connections run at 1310nm, not 1330 as stated in the video. 1GbE and 10GbE SM fiber connections both use 1310nm on a duplex connection, though simplex connections over a single strand tend to use 1310 for one direction and 1490 for the other. GPON also uses 1310nm for upstream traffic from the ONT to the OLT, with 1490 being used for downstream traffic. XGS-PON (10g PON) uses a completely different pair of wavelengths.
850nm SR= short range, is a Multimode Fiber connection. 1310 LR= long range, CWDM (1410-1610 wavelengths), 1550 ZR for 80 to 120 km spans & DWDM, is all Single mode Fiber connections it can be simplex or duplex fibers. Singlemode allows you to cover a greater span with a wider set of thresholds vs Multi mode. The OM3 fiber is Multi Mode and can work with 100GE for up to 100 meters. Great video by the way man, keep them coming. You are a very knowledgeable individual.
Said it once, say it again: you make some really good content and are obscenely underrated. You should have in the 7 digits subs man... Keep being awesome!
Yeah, Samuel Jackson -- he sure is under-rated. Just found out about the guy, and I like him already. Who wouldn't like someone that sips a little here & there during the video. Same as me when I'm doing anything.
This really only works for those of us nerds with full client server networks in our house. Unfortunately most home network usage is destined to the internet and we are limited by our internet bandwidth. As many of you know we use 10gig links in the enterprise for switch or AP uplinks because we are aggregating multiple users on that switch. Unless your operating a B&B a home network would almost never hit contention on a gig network. That being said, great video. I like that you kept the topic clear and didnt make outrageous claims about the product.
We carry some of this very equipment for our mobile Emergency Response. We are a public safety team that provides communications in Texas during large incidents and disasters. In the past we have carried used Cisco equipment, but recently started using MicroTik and UBNT. The MicroTik especially is affordable enough if we had to leave it we could. We frequently are connecting our mobile command and communications platform up to buildings or as an alternative using our C-Com 1.2M Dragonfly and cabling up a community center or warehouse for operations. While most everythin we do is standard Gigabit Copper, demanding applications such as GIS and the ever present increased need in video has forced us to some links at 10G. One solution we found very useful was the Tactical Fiber Systems 2000 foot reel. It has two strands of fiber and gives us 1GB speeds up and down with one being a WAN on the truck and the other fiber being a LAN off the truck. Great for connecting between two trucks, truck and building, or a truck and a tent. We didn't go full 10GB for this link as the only point on my network that supports 10GB is the Peplink Switches for interconnect. The router can not support more than 1GB per port (although we have three 1GB ports driving a single switch in symmetrical mode).
5:10 A third reason not to buy a RJ45 to SFP+ adapter: They are getting very hot. In a switch with a high density of SFP+ Ports, the heat can cause errors or to shut the switch down. In my company we tried to connect Servers in a lab with RJ45 to SFP+ Adapters. The Cisco switch we had was a Catalyst 3850 which shut down after a few hours of load. The reason was that we used these adapters which led into triggering the heat shutdown.
The is awesome! as and idiot who never understood what those metal things at the end of the cables are, just you showing that it plugs directly into the switch port has been incredibly helpful! I think i learned more from this than any other video on 10gbe. thanks!
I work with the Mellanox stuff day-to-day, we might be talking 10G in the video but 200G & 400G network cards are right around the corner when AMD release their consumer PCIe 4.0 boards. :D Also just on the note of SFP+ 10G RJ45 transceivers, they also use a huge amount of power compared to Fiber transceivers or DACs. A 10G RJ45 transceiver will not work in a mellanox card due to the high power requirement & a lot of other switch vendors do not support this. These get incredibly hot inside devices & need adequate cooling. (such as inside a data-center)
Actually it is a managed switch. It has dual boot for SwOS/RouterOS. So technically it can do everything that a Mikrotik router can do. You can also get a Mikrotik SFP S+RJ10 10Gbps module for just 50$.
I read this on Microtik's site: "Any MikroTik device with active cooling that has SFP+ ports can now be used without installing any optical fiber, just plug the S+RJ10 and your network can be upgraded to 10 Gbps, making it ready for the next generation of RJ45 hardware. So maybe not with this switch?
Mikrotik gear on the other hand it's some of the best. I have the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN router, I have 3 connections to it, 1 GB fiber optics, 1 gigabit copper and 1 4G connection via USB (we're in Romania so we have plenty of bandwidth), I am giving internet to most of my street, while hosting games on the servers mentioned in a previous comment, I have about 200 active clients at any given time. Holds up like a champ.
Nice find on the Mikrotik. About 10 years ago (still working for the same company.) they had a MIkrotik router. Well the x86 via ide to compact flash card. During that time we hired another tech who came from a wisp (wireless isp) who also used them. He taught me all the simple stuff on it. I already loved it for how clean it was when you first start the config on a new box. The last place I know of who is using it the same area is a fiber service to businesses to convert the 1gb fiber to Ethernet. I know a few other places have to be using them because once in a while I see a new actual Mikrotik router box show up at the thrift store. I"m sure the same thing happens in other areas. (same happens to cisco.) Some IT person installs the device into a business and they have a buddy come over to say do a port forward. They can't figure out the box and thus though in a cheap store bought router. Thus, the box ends up a thrift store. Anyway enough down memory lane. Once again. Nice find on the 10gbit box.
Very nice, legit affordable 10G for the home. I've been debating this for quite some time but the best I could find was a couple hundred dollars for 2 * 10g & 8 * 1G style switches. Even those were north of $250 for the switch alone. I also never thought of using glass at home because I though MMF & transceivers were too expensive. Thank you very much!
I dont usually leave comments but im sick of lame "big" youtubers so i figured i give a shout out. I really enjoyed your content, youre very consise with your explanation. I am subscribed now and excited to watch more content. I appreciate the light humor, while also very much appreciate the keeping it to a minimum. I thought this was a very cool idea for a solution to a project I'm working on that involves some older tech that i need to communicate at faster speeds however dont currently support an on board 10gb connector. I'm excited to put this to the test. Keep up the good work and very impressed with this channel
The SFP+ connector (or QSFP, QSFP28 or whatever) isn't made for regular connect/disconnect cycles. They wear out relatively fast (typically rated for 250 cycles for SFP+ and only 50 for QSFP28). If you plan to have a lot of connect/disconnect cycles, it is better to install a SFP+ module and keep it installed and connect/disconnect the copper/glass cable instead. Edit: I wrote 50 cycles for SFP+, but that was the number for QSFP28. QSFP28 is used for 100GbE.
Wow, looking back, I can't believe where Craft Computing started. This channel has got so much better now. I laughed & loved the good ole' days, but I'm glad CC is in Top Tier ranks now ...
I looked up and it seems to be running RouterOS or SwOS, meaning it's fully managed. Good thing I looked it up, now getting two. Wouldn't have gotten were they unmanaged.
This is a really great basic overview of 10Gb home setup but... I really wish with all of this tech trickling down to the home user that more of these reviews would mention laser safety. I work in telecom and SFP/SFP+ has been a thing for a very long time. In a professional setting, we always consider the hazards when working around active lasers. Not to mention that 10gb connections are very susceptible to damage or performance issues from dirty fibers and optics. Wiping an LC connector on your shirt is not any way to clean the end and inserting a dirty connector into and SFP can damage the optics as well. I'd just like to see more of an emphasis on proper handling and safety when working with FO connections being this tech is entering the home markets. Just cause you can doesn't mean you should. 10Gb over CAT7 will be widely available to the home gamer soon enough and I think for everyone's safety copper is still the preferred method for the average person looking for higher throughput LAN connectivity. Leave the permanently eye-damaging connections to the pros or at least make people aware of the potential dangers of employing such tech in the home. Other than that, cool review.
I've been using mikrotik routers since 2008. Good to see they are getting more coverage now and thank you for the info of this new product. I didn't know this CRS model exists before...
Mikrotik routers are pretty popular in Europe for more than 10 years. The price is good, and configurability / management features are pretty cool and professional. Some of their earlier routers didn't have as good performance as other big brands, but in many cases it doesn't matter. They only entered switch market recently. Most of their switches are still actually routers.
I come from Cisco and Hitachi when we where developing their 10G Transceivers and Transponders for their Lightwave Products. I think its fair to mention that you're arrangment is really for a private internal network. So if you want Interest, that 10G is gonna bottle neck to 1Gbps (not Bytes) as that is the current offering from ISP. So you will not see improved speeds for any traffic involving internet through a modem. Right? Love your presentation style.
This video was about internal speeds to home servers though. Had nothing to do with internet access. And yes, you would need a much more capable switch for internet routing of 10Gbps+ traffic. For starters, something that won't choke to death when you add Layer 3 routes.
Awesome! I bet MikroTik's *CRS305-1G-4S+IN* sells will have a spike in the next few days :D That product name though... Highly considering such a setup for my homelab.
1G - 1 giga bit RJ45 port at 1Gbps 4S+ - 4 SFP+ ports at 10Gbps IN - PoW power in CRS - Cloud Router/Switch (other lines RB - small business routers, CCR - cloud managed router, CCS - cloud managed switch, 305 - the 05 is because it has 5 total ports. 3 is because it is lowest series in the lineup. Makes good sense to me.
It took me about five times watching this video to realize how cool this solution was. Given my limited networking experience, though, it was NOT plug-and-play. I set up a Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN to use as a switch between my home server and my home computer. I had everything connected together, but I was getting an abysmal 40-50 MBps transfer rate, not even saturating my HDD. What gives? Turns out what I needed was to "Add a network location" in Windows Explorer to this new IP address for the 10 Gb network adapter on my server. So now I have two shares for the same folder, but one is 10 Gb and the other is through my LAN. Now I'm getting 250 MBps file transfers. So relieved that's over. Thanks for the idea!
I like, straight to the point, all the information I need to make a reasonably informed decision, thanks for sharing this, I'll consider this in the future when I make my own router
Before I got to t he end of the video, I already went to Amazon and purchased the switch. The pair of boards were unavailable at Amazon and I had to buy something more expensive. I also ordered several DAC cables for my initial proof of concept installation. Thanks so much for the video, I am inspired. :-)
Great video and enjoyed the Linus references! I'm planning to build an office at the back of the garden (30m/90feet away). Now I'm wondering if I should go for 10G, though as I'm digging it by hand, I'd prefer the one that is longest lasting, as I don't want to dig up again for at least 5 years! Keep up the great work.
In your case i would certainly opt for fiber and 10gbit! Copper can degrade over time though it will likely take 20+ years. Fiber on the other hand lasts far longer and there will be ever higher speeds on fiber connections if you would like to use the link for faster speeds down the line. Be sure to put whatever cable you decide to use in a protective pipe made to use in the ground. Good luck with your project!
I'm just doing something similar at the moment and I'd recommend using conduit rather than direct burial for the data cabling. Using a fish tape, you can pull string through the conduit, tie/tape your cabling to the continuous string, then use the string to pull the cabling and more string through. This way you have your cabling and string in the conduit. If you need to replace the cabling or add some down the road, you still have string in the conduit to pull new stuff. The cable/fibre should be less prone to mechanical damage during and after installation too. I'd do this whether you decide to go for copper or fibre.
@@Renderman-Official Hi Mike, thank you for that, really appreciated, 10Gbit it is then, I don't like re-digging if I can help it! Don't worry on the protective side of things, found some good conduit with high IP rating. Thanks for the good luck, I might need it! A real shame UA-cam doesn't notify for actual responses, it was only that I clicked when it said someone thumbed up my comment!
@@reidster87 Hi Reid, Thank you very much for commenting, I've got the method down pat for getting the cabling through the conduit, but it's never bad to have confirmation. Even found the fish tape on Screwfix already, never thought about leaving the string there, very good advice, thank you! A real shame UA-cam doesn't notify for actual responses, it was only that I clicked when it said someone thumbed up my comment!
I've just ordered one a few minutes ago. After slowly building up my Network (or rather making parts of it 10G capable) by adding a 10G card to my NAS, getting a 2,5G adapter for my Macbook (still plenty fast and very cheap) and connecting it to the rest of the Network via a MikroTik switch with SFP+, I've also ordered a Mac Studio and that has 10GbE as standard. Now I might need an NVMe Cache in the NAS though. Surprisingly, the NICs for SFP+ are quite expensive, too - about 55€ each and I needed three.
I purchased one of these switches a few weeks back. They are fantastic and mostly easy to setup (If you have the know how). You will need to be careful with what SFP module you use as not all work.
Just saw this two years later, Device is still available and only $135. I missed that it was managed in the video. This is great to hear. This will be a strong candidate for the synchronization network for my cluster.
Mikrotik rocks. Very sensible pricing and lots of features. High build quality also. The Mikrotik S+RJ10 is currently also the most cost effective RJ45 SFP+ 10GBit/s module. Also, Linus makes good videos, but for a company that does video editing for a living, he still runs everything over copper, while 25Gbit/s switches and optical modules got so cheap that there's really no excuse not to use them. With them using the compatible SFP28 form-factor and being 100% compatible with older 10Gbit equipment, it's a no-brainer. And while there is a 25GBase-T standard, there is no equipment available on the market yet, and when it is, it will be incredibly expensive and requires much better cabling.
Sounds great, until you actually try to order one: I finally canceled mine a month after the order was placed and no response from their sales department.
Mikrotik makes pretty solid devices for the price.. I became a fan of it six month ago.. Now I have a RB3011, RB750, HapMini, HapAC.. 😅😅😅😅 they're fun to play with it.
This is also a much better option compared to buying a used 10GbE rack switch. I have one of those, a Quanta LB6M, which is a managed switch. At the time I bought it, it was the most cost-effective 10GbE solution available. This, however, is much better. And the fact it's fanless is definitely great - the LB6M has three (3) 40mm fans rated at obscene noise (50+db/A), but they get airflow you'd expect from a 60mm or 80mm fan. So... yeah. But for me, though, I don't see going with it. Only because it has 4 ports. MikroTik is coming out with an 8-port model, though, and that I might jump for when it's available. I already have a 10GbE switch with 4 devices connected to it, so I'd want room to expand. My next networking move will instead be to buy a Gigabit with with an SFP+ uplink to replace the standard Gigabit switch I have in the rack currently.
You should of at least gave a link to Linus's channel with how often you said his name and knocked fun at him. lol!! I use to watch the Linus videos a long long time ago. For some reason I don't find his content as useful as I got older. Less interest in some ridiculous PC gaming setup, and more interested in real world "get er done" good and cheap. I think this is why I like your video. Straight and to the point. Thanks!
I've been using MikroTik equipment in a production environment for ~10 years, certified more than once, and I have _never_ heard it pronounced, by trainers and manufacturer reps, in any way other than "micro-tick".
Beer and Computers? You're my kind of UA-camr! As much as I'd love to have a full 10Gb home network I just have too many devices and couldn't really justify the expense.
The MikroTik switch just came back in stock. Ordered one immediately, as well as the cards and cables on Amazon you linked to. Hope this all works as well for me as it did for you. Thanks for the great video and information.
@@danielb7390 I use a CRS317 (big brother of this switch), and tried using 1G to the S+RJ10 transceiver before. Throughput was ok (get ~120MB/s copy speed) but the switch shows a lot of "Rx Pauses" under the error page. There is no actual pause that I encounter. Pings are sub-milliseconds. I guess those RX pauses are due to the speed difference between 1G and 10G. But once I hook it up to a 10G Intel x540, no more errors, no more pauses.
@@unclewho Nope. S+RJ10 to Dell R620 onboard 1G NIC (before I purchased the 10G daughterboard). I believe that daughter board is based on broadcom chips. Transfers at full speed. Haven't tried S+RJ10 to another 1G switch. Oh, and also note my other comment about the transceiver not supporting jumbo frames. Maybe that is the issue you are talking about? forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=132246
Ken Choo what I'm facing is transfering data from 10g to 1g on the same mikrotik switch. and i didn't enable jumbo packets anywhere in my setup, i notice the 2nd response in your thread mentioned the problem I'm talking about
It's great to see this type of kit at a consumer price point - worth checking out. That said, if your needs are still only having 2 devices talk to each other (eg desktop to server like your setup, and the same for me), then I would still advice people to look at a peer-to-peer setup. It took me max 15 mins to install the hardware and configure the server & client networks, and works a dream - I can't really see anything you gain by adding this to the mix. You get the expand-ability, but there's nothing stopping you adding this down the line - but you would save on the cost of the switch and the extra cable you need.
$110 is definitely cheaper than other solutions, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "affordable" (especially considering other costs involved.) It is definitely feasible now for enthusiast consumers / pro-sumers though, which is cool. Also, you said you could only do 10 gigabit on Cat 6 up to "25 or 30 feet"...but the official rating for Cat 6 is that it can do 10 gigabit in "typical worst case scenarios" up to 37 meters (120 feet) and up to 55 meters (180 feet) in ideal/low crosstalk scenarios. I could be wrong, but a few short cable runs at home are probably closer to the "ideal" scenario than to worst case in terms of crosstalk. Considering all of that, I'd be more interested in this switch if it used RJ-45.
I'd call $200 pretty affordable, as the users who would benefit from 10Gb in the past have been stuck at a $1000 wall for a 4-port 10Gb switch, and they were rarely fanless. Yes, the official spec for CAT6 @10G is 37M, but it also depends heavily on the termination of the cable. But like I said, the cost of most 10G RJ45 gear is still out of reach.
Craft Computing What about the cost of an enthusiasts HEDT or Xeon level motherboard+CPU to support the extra PCI-E lanes for the PCI-E SSD & PCI-E 10 Gbps Network card?
IEEE 802.3an-2006 (updated 2017). For a structured cable install to be classified Cat6 it needs to be tested to 10G @55m and for Cat6a 10G@100m. Manufactured cables need to meet these requirements to be sold as cat6 or cat6a. Otherwise an excellent vlog, think I will continue waiting until 8 port copper switches become better value.
Cat5e is plenty capable of connecting at 10 Gigabit and cat5e will work just fine in almost any 10 gig home network solution. If the cat5e structured cabling is already in place it will very likely work just fine.
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This is perfect and just what I have been looking for to connect my ZFS Video Editing NAS to my 2 Workstations (Mac Pro 5,1 and HP Z820). Perfect! Thanks a bunch!
That's the main reason for my upgrade, is to capture and edit video directly from the NAS storage.
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@@CraftComputing Sweet. I have have been running a Davinci Resolve 14 setup with a ZFS RaidZ2 Media NAS on some random hardware I had for almost a year, and for what it is worth It been okay to work with considering I have edited and colour graded 5K RedRaw footage. I still need to tweak some stuff and I think beef up my editing system to get smooth playback, but it works and not even really tuned yet. This is with a single DAC connection between my Workstation and the NAS.
Thanks for showing us how to get faster 10Gb networking at home. Yeah, in the past, it was just too expensive, but looks like everything is coming down in price. I thought about it, but I didn't want to spend (like) $600 / $700 / $800 for a switch when I looked. And, cards were about $150-ish. BUt, now, looks like everyman can one day afford a faster network. Thanks. Subbed.
@@CraftComputing Yes and no, 10gbit is certified/supported on Cat5e up to 45m, however this only applies to the structured cabling not patch leads which have no official certification/support. This of course means that if you have a building wired for Cat5e and the cable runs are within distance you can just use the existing wiring combined with Cat 6a or 7 patch leads to connect you 10g equipment and save a truckload.
I believe it is supported up to 45 meters, it can be done. Cat5e: Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters 10 Gigabit Ethernet up to 45 meters Cat6: Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters 10 Gigabit Ethernet up to 55 meters Cat6a: Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters 10 Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters I have also seen this in some Enterprise networks using CAT5e to run to IDF closets for uplinks, They were about 20 meters apart. It would probably be fine at home with use of a high quality CAT5e Cable. However, its not much more expensive to go CAT6, only use CAT5e in a pinch, it keeps from collisions on the wire and other network errors. However, CAT5e *should* be fine up to 45 meters.
As you asked, no I can't see me doing this anytime soon. We had a ZFS NAS for a bit, which was seriously under used. Most of the data we transfer is to a network printer or two. After that the network has to support me watching you, and our current CAT5e is fine for that.
Where I live there is hardly any ISPs that can reach our home. We are only able to get a LTE Hotspot router with 50gbs per month. So unfortunately my "streaming" capabilities are very limited. Ive been looking into building an offline LAN for me and my wife to stream content from my media server and Ive been looking to find a way to hook up everything in my office together and still maintain good speeds and I believe I just found it with this video.
mikrotik 10G switch has nasty bug, and they just don’t fix it. The 10G port traffic to 1G port suffers terrible packet loss, and ridiculous slow speed, 300Mbps, what’s the point of 10G? i really don’t trust mikrotik on this one
Some of their switches bog down quite a bit if you route layer 3 traffic on them. But with a flat layer 2, you should get line rate. I'm not aware of bugs on any of their switches that cause packet loss.
@@CraftComputing The issue mentioned is on layer 2 due to buffer bloat(most probable). Mikrotik customer service admit it and they released a "fix" in 6.44beta6 "*) crs3xx - improved data transmission between 10G and 1G ports; ", this "fix" increases 10G->1G from 200Mbps to 300Mbps and this is more likely a software issue, so I believe it presents in all of their 10G switchs, I would like to see your test on CRS305. And you can find plenty of discussions on Mikrotik forum: forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=128843 forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=126274 these discussions are dead because no official response, nor useful fix, no nothing.
@@CraftComputing I own 2 s+rj10 and both css326 and crs326, this issue makes my 10G setup useless. and based on the discussion in the forum, for css326 this issue presents since swos2.4, it proves Mikrotik did screw it up.
@@unclewho 200-300Mb/s would be a poor joke on a 1Gb consumer switch, why in the world would Mikrotik allow that to happen on a 10Gb switch? Shotty product?
Thanks for breaking down all the components I would need. As a pro-sumer I was lost trying to figure out a path to 10G that didn't cost an arm and a leg. My layout needs 4 switches which made the computer adapter costs a rounding error :)
You might want to check out the affiliate link for the "2x Connectx-2 PCIe SFP+ Cards", it's pointing to a dead product ;) Great video though, i just grabbed one of these switches on ebay, very cheap currently!
You forgot to mention AOC, they're strill pretty cheap, and since they're fiber, you can get them much longer than a regular DAC cable. I'm also finally thinking about pulling the trigger and ordering one of these switches to go with my RB5009 and CRS310-8G+2S+IN, so I can connect my PC and servers through 10G.
Couple of things: 1. RJ45 10Gb is about cables already in the wall and the fact that LV companies send lightly trained squirrels to run the cables through the house. So throwing fibre into their plans is going to go poorly. So $40 per connection makes sense when you have only a few edge devices. Also the cables are run, so if all you need to do is buy an adapter essentially and there is no meaningful degradation of performance then it still makes sense. 2. This switch is cheap but completely unmanaged, that might affect folks, especially when you want 10Gb with devices that might access the internet as well and you'd like controls on that 3. Lastly, Mikrotik is commonly in the list of major switch vulnerabilities so any users need to be vigilant, much more so than Ubiquity or Netgear.
Looks like a good starter SFP+ switch. I found that 10Gbe became an addiction and wanted to have more devices connected at 10Gbe. Then you want to start doing teaming and LACP and the next thing you know your on ebay looking for 24 port enterprise level switches...
Glad to see prices dropping on this sort of stuff. I ran Cat 6a in my house awhile back so that when prices finally got low enough I could start looking at getting myself some 10gbit ethernet switches for that great server action.
@@mark22732 Yes Cat 7 it is ISO/IEC 11801 certified. It is just not recogniced by the EIA/TIA. It has been the standard for new installations in my country for a long time now. I dont understand why cat. 5e is still the norm in the US.
I just ordered the netgear 16port 10gbe switch, and order the knock off intel 10gbe nic's off of ebay. The setup works great, and I can sustain 900-1050 transfer speeds. The switch was kinda expensive but worth it.
If you're wiring up say a home, on a limited budget, could not 10gbit over cat and RJ45 make sense? When talking 10-15-20 wall sockets, optical can get ridiculously expensive fast.
@@abcdefg9613 But SFP+ RJ45 modules are usually more expensive than the entire fiber link would cost. Netgear has some 10GbE switches (8-16-24-48 port) for reasonable prices with RJ45's for CAT6/CAT6a cabling.
Of course run twisted pair in the house! You don't need all 20 of them to be 10GbE right away and 10GbE RJ45 switches will turn into common and affordable consumer boxes eventually. Repairing fibre if anything ever happens to it (even a single inch from the connector) would be such a pain in the ass and an expensive job!
Fiber is cheaper than twisted pair for 10Gb deployments, ironically. Pre-terminated LC-LC cables from fs.com are affordable, and don't require expensive non-standard (the SFP+ spec does not provide enough power to drive these, so they are all vendor specific) 10GBASE-T SFP+ modules (or even more expensive 10GBASE-T native switches). That being said, the Mikrotik CRS-317-1G-16S+-RM has you covered for 16 ports of 10Gb speed and does support their vendor-specific 10GBASE-T SFP modules, so it will work regardless if you decide to go the multimode fiber or RJ45 route.
Use conduit, always - you will have the same problem with twisted pair if you don't make it easy to physically swap the cable out. Field assembly LC connectors exist that don't require anything more than a fiber cutter and stripper as well, they have higher attenuation than spliced connectors but that's a non-issue for runs inside a home or office.
Thanks for the great info. Video quality and presentation are very good. Keep up the great work! I hope I will dare one day to make a clean win10 image as per your instructions.
Apparently I caused some confusion about Managed vs Unmanaged. YES, this switch is a managed switch, by default booting into RouterOS. It can also run SwitchOS, documentation for both can be found here: mt.lv/help
The device is capable of running unmanaged as well. According to MikroTik's documentation: "This device is not preconfigured, other than an IP address for management access, it can be used as a switch right
away. You can connect from any port, as all ports are switched together by default. Other configuration has to be applied according to the documentation manual linked above."
The point I was trying to make was the device can be used as a plug and play, OR as a managed switch or router. I did not communicate that clearly.
Of course, in a production environment, I would always recommend changing default user names/passwords on a managed device. But for a home user, it's likely OK to run out of the box just as is. You need physical access to the device to address the management on it.
And stop correcting my pronunciation of MikroTik. There are about a dozen 'corrections' below, and all of them are different.
Have you looked at fs.com? They are cheaper on pretty much everything you listed in the description and all built to work together. We use their fiber / DAC products at work with no issues. Switch and NIC aside of course...
@@sin3r6y98 I've used FS for years. Great stuff.
Craft Computing so, you can check that the difference mmf versus smf you told is actually not true : by buying and putting in your walls a duplex smf fiber, with smf sftp+ allow you, with the same fiber installation, to go to 100 GBPs later, when with mmf, the current limitation is still 10gbps
So. Basically.you advice people to use non upgradable fiber, (duplex mmf can do 1 and 10, and 40 Gbps, when a duplex smf allow from 1 to 100 gbps). The worth is the excuse that you told is that it’s for building for long distance : fair enough. But it doesn’t change the fact that investing on sfp+ + 5 meter duplex mmf om4 low lost is 35 euros , and sfp+ + duplex smf is 65 euros, but the cabling installation and all the money you put (especially true for sme/smb) to instal it (man hours) won’t be lost as you need to replace mmf with a mmf trunk later, which is then much more expensive !
To conclude, you can laugh about Linus tech (why not), but do not recommend things like that with fake serious excuse. When basically, the reality is that you build a cheap lost 10 Gbps network here, where all you money is lost, when you can plan and advice people properly with serious advice right from the beginning !
Thanks,for the switch test !
I specified in a home environment, there's no difference. And if you need 100Gb fiber, you are exceeding the 'home' spec, regardless of where you're running cable.
duplex OM3 / OM4 is 100gb capable, just with a cost of shorter ranges. Unless you plan on having single runs longer than 100 meters, OM3/4 will gladly do 100gbit in the future.
BTW for home deployments RJ45 10gb Base-T works fine over good cat5e.
Before running fiber I just said 'why not' and gave it a try and iperf showed full 10gb.
If you're going like 50meters definitely will need 6A but if you've already got good cat5e in the wall it.... Probably will be plenty fine
Yeah, not many people know this and scramble to get fiber or cat6. Which is OK, but depending on what's configured. It might not be necessary. Thanks for mentioning this.
I've worked in the networking field for 20+ years and this still confuses people.
Its exciting to see 10gig trickling down to consumer tech! Nice video Jeff!
More like prosumer. Since there is pretty big mess in connection and cable types to worry about.
Probably heard of Asus XG-U2008. I guess a lot of 10GbE consumer level (fanless, RJ45) switches are coming in 2019.
@@cpypcy Kind of. The choice and flexibility can be overwhellming. Even for prosumers it can be a problematic.
Long story short: SFP+, 10BASE-SR (850nm , multi mode in duplex on two fibers), LC (Lucent Connector) plugs, multimode OM3 fiber (you can also do fine with OM4). That is all. Do not try to overcomplicate it.
The only thing that is hard is making custom lengths of cables. Where you might need to order them, as the equipement to splice cables and connectors isn't supper cheap. (But honestly isn't supper expensive either if you want to play along). Or just take multiple cables and connect them using adapters. Should be perfectly fine for less than 200meters.
It's starting to, but until it shows up in hundred dollar laptops, and built into $50 motherboards, it'll remain an expensive oddity. GigE is built into almost everything. When's the last time you bought a stand-alone network card? Gig switches can be found in almost any retail outlet these days. (I've seen them in grocery stores!) And they're disposable-cheap. 10G is still an order of magnitude (or more) more expensive (per port), and available almost nowhere. (certainly in retail)
If your pci bus can deal with it.
This is actually a fully managed switch and router (layer 3). It can be used with internal switch in bridge mode for pure switching, or setup arbitrary config with each port being on separate network (not just VLAN), and do routing using a built in CPU and OS. You can switch between switch and router modes during boot. When in router mode, one can also configure a subset of ports to be a switch (or switches) and others to be independent and do routing between networks.
You an use all fancy mikrotik features, log via Web, telnet, ssh or use their app to manage bunch of these. Or point to master management switch to have one place to manage all gear.
BTW. When in routing mode it will be using the on board CPU to do all packet routing, and that it is going to be slow. You might be able to get to 1Gbps, maybe 2Gbps, but not really more. But if you want a single device, do a 10Gbps network with 3 computers, and use another port to connect to Internet and do NAT and routing, you can do it just fine with this device. I am pretty sure you can also run DHCP (for sure) and DNS (less sure) server on it if you want. And it supports IPv6 nicely.
It is CRS - Cloud Router Switch.
Mikrotik is awesome!
Thanks for all the info. I had been wanting a 10GbE network in my home office for quite a while, but the cost kept me from doing so. I bought the MikroTik switch and everything else needed to network two computers and a NAS with 10GbE. It's working great and everything together with tax was under $325.
You killed it. Nobody else's video presented all of the options so goddamn clearly and concisely. Thank you.
I can see the appeal of this setup. It is a nice option for those using SFP+. For those that have rack mount enterprise switches with an SFP+ connection, this would be perfect to tie into the rest of your network without the hassle of trying to daisy chain network cards between computers. Though the product came a bit too late for me. I've been running an Intel 550-T2 adapter in my server and ran a CAT6 cable to my desktop. It gave the option to hook up to two 10Gb cables directly to my server. Suits my needs and didn't require me to run fiber to my desktop.
Actually Cat 5e supports 10gb up to 40m Cat6 is 55m and Cat7 goes 100m soo there is a benefit for the sfp+ to rj45 and that case is if you need to run new cables through walls. in 99% of the time you can use the existing ethernet cables. But generally speaking you are right in like 80% of the time.
For me personally id need to run a 40m fibre cable into the basement from my office and would need to tear down up some of my walls and i cant make tight enough bends with fibre in many cases, so a a rj45 adapter is my only option since i have 2 cat6 cables already in the walls.
One slight correction: Singlemode fiber connections run at 1310nm, not 1330 as stated in the video.
1GbE and 10GbE SM fiber connections both use 1310nm on a duplex connection, though simplex connections over a single strand tend to use 1310 for one direction and 1490 for the other. GPON also uses 1310nm for upstream traffic from the ONT to the OLT, with 1490 being used for downstream traffic. XGS-PON (10g PON) uses a completely different pair of wavelengths.
dont forget 1550
850nm SR= short range, is a Multimode Fiber connection. 1310 LR= long range, CWDM (1410-1610 wavelengths), 1550 ZR for 80 to 120 km spans & DWDM, is all Single mode Fiber connections it can be simplex or duplex fibers. Singlemode allows you to cover a greater span with a wider set of thresholds vs Multi mode. The OM3 fiber is Multi Mode and can work with 100GE for up to 100 meters. Great video by the way man, keep them coming. You are a very knowledgeable individual.
Said it once, say it again: you make some really good content and are obscenely underrated. You should have in the 7 digits subs man... Keep being awesome!
That's the goal ;-)
I second this guy! Thats why I subbed a while ago!
Nice joke!
You’re incredibly underrated. Keep up your high quality videos :)
he is not original, it took him 8 mins to talk about a switch..... so, he is rating is just about right, I would even say people are kind to him
Yeah, Samuel Jackson -- he sure is under-rated. Just found out about the guy, and I like him already. Who wouldn't like someone that sips a little here & there during the video. Same as me when I'm doing anything.
@@Dmitryzakharov lol really?
This really only works for those of us nerds with full client server networks in our house. Unfortunately most home network usage is destined to the internet and we are limited by our internet bandwidth. As many of you know we use 10gig links in the enterprise for switch or AP uplinks because we are aggregating multiple users on that switch. Unless your operating a B&B a home network would almost never hit contention on a gig network.
That being said, great video. I like that you kept the topic clear and didnt make outrageous claims about the product.
but hold on a second linus ! LMAO this is a much better idea
sure, years later, there are easier solutions... ^^
We carry some of this very equipment for our mobile Emergency Response. We are a public safety team that provides communications in Texas during large incidents and disasters. In the past we have carried used Cisco equipment, but recently started using MicroTik and UBNT. The MicroTik especially is affordable enough if we had to leave it we could. We frequently are connecting our mobile command and communications platform up to buildings or as an alternative using our C-Com 1.2M Dragonfly and cabling up a community center or warehouse for operations. While most everythin we do is standard Gigabit Copper, demanding applications such as GIS and the ever present increased need in video has forced us to some links at 10G. One solution we found very useful was the Tactical Fiber Systems 2000 foot reel. It has two strands of fiber and gives us 1GB speeds up and down with one being a WAN on the truck and the other fiber being a LAN off the truck. Great for connecting between two trucks, truck and building, or a truck and a tent. We didn't go full 10GB for this link as the only point on my network that supports 10GB is the Peplink Switches for interconnect. The router can not support more than 1GB per port (although we have three 1GB ports driving a single switch in symmetrical mode).
5:10 A third reason not to buy a RJ45 to SFP+ adapter: They are getting very hot. In a switch with a high density of SFP+ Ports, the heat can cause errors or to shut the switch down. In my company we tried to connect Servers in a lab with RJ45 to SFP+ Adapters. The Cisco switch we had was a Catalyst 3850 which shut down after a few hours of load. The reason was that we used these adapters which led into triggering the heat shutdown.
The is awesome! as and idiot who never understood what those metal things at the end of the cables are, just you showing that it plugs directly into the switch port has been incredibly helpful! I think i learned more from this than any other video on 10gbe. thanks!
"MADE IN MALAYSIA" :) proud to be Malaysian
I work with the Mellanox stuff day-to-day, we might be talking 10G in the video but 200G & 400G network cards are right around the corner when AMD release their consumer PCIe 4.0 boards. :D
Also just on the note of SFP+ 10G RJ45 transceivers, they also use a huge amount of power compared to Fiber transceivers or DACs. A 10G RJ45 transceiver will not work in a mellanox card due to the high power requirement & a lot of other switch vendors do not support this. These get incredibly hot inside devices & need adequate cooling. (such as inside a data-center)
0:45 "But hold on a second, Linus" made my day :)
MikroTik makes good hardware. Learning their CLI and RouterOS can be a bit of a learning curve. Been preaching about them for a long time.
Actually it is a managed switch. It has dual boot for SwOS/RouterOS. So technically it can do everything that a Mikrotik router can do. You can also get a Mikrotik SFP S+RJ10 10Gbps module for just 50$.
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I read this on Microtik's site: "Any MikroTik device with active cooling that has SFP+ ports can now be used without installing any optical fiber, just plug the S+RJ10 and your network can be upgraded to 10 Gbps, making it ready for the next generation of RJ45 hardware. So maybe not with this switch?
Finally! A good SFP+ switch that isn’t a power suck, too loud, or over $500 from ubiquiti. Thanks for testing this out and finding a current vendor.
Mikrotik gear on the other hand it's some of the best. I have the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN router, I have 3 connections to it, 1 GB fiber optics, 1 gigabit copper and 1 4G connection via USB (we're in Romania so we have plenty of bandwidth), I am giving internet to most of my street, while hosting games on the servers mentioned in a previous comment, I have about 200 active clients at any given time. Holds up like a champ.
Nice find on the Mikrotik. About 10 years ago (still working for the same company.) they had a MIkrotik router. Well the x86 via ide to compact flash card. During that time we hired another tech who came from a wisp (wireless isp) who also used them. He taught me all the simple stuff on it. I already loved it for how clean it was when you first start the config on a new box. The last place I know of who is using it the same area is a fiber service to businesses to convert the 1gb fiber to Ethernet. I know a few other places have to be using them because once in a while I see a new actual Mikrotik router box show up at the thrift store. I"m sure the same thing happens in other areas. (same happens to cisco.) Some IT person installs the device into a business and they have a buddy come over to say do a port forward. They can't figure out the box and thus though in a cheap store bought router. Thus, the box ends up a thrift store. Anyway enough down memory lane. Once again. Nice find on the 10gbit box.
Very nice, legit affordable 10G for the home. I've been debating this for quite some time but the best I could find was a couple hundred dollars for 2 * 10g & 8 * 1G style switches. Even those were north of $250 for the switch alone. I also never thought of using glass at home because I though MMF & transceivers were too expensive. Thank you very much!
I dont usually leave comments but im sick of lame "big" youtubers so i figured i give a shout out.
I really enjoyed your content, youre very consise with your explanation. I am subscribed now and excited to watch more content. I appreciate the light humor, while also very much appreciate the keeping it to a minimum. I thought this was a very cool idea for a solution to a project I'm working on that involves some older tech that i need to communicate at faster speeds however dont currently support an on board 10gb connector. I'm excited to put this to the test. Keep up the good work and very impressed with this channel
As I quickly approach purchasing my first home, this will now be a part of my home network. Thanks for the video!
UA-cam recommend this video to me on the homepage, and boy, was I excited! This is the kind of content I'm looking for!
The SFP+ connector (or QSFP, QSFP28 or whatever) isn't made for regular connect/disconnect cycles. They wear out relatively fast (typically rated for 250 cycles for SFP+ and only 50 for QSFP28). If you plan to have a lot of connect/disconnect cycles, it is better to install a SFP+ module and keep it installed and connect/disconnect the copper/glass cable instead.
Edit: I wrote 50 cycles for SFP+, but that was the number for QSFP28. QSFP28 is used for 100GbE.
Wow, looking back, I can't believe where Craft Computing started. This channel has got so much better now. I laughed & loved the good ole' days, but I'm glad CC is in Top Tier ranks now ...
I looked up and it seems to be running RouterOS or SwOS, meaning it's fully managed. Good thing I looked it up, now getting two. Wouldn't have gotten were they unmanaged.
You might not get full throughput when you start dinking with your packets.
This is a really great basic overview of 10Gb home setup but... I really wish with all of this tech trickling down to the home user that more of these reviews would mention laser safety. I work in telecom and SFP/SFP+ has been a thing for a very long time. In a professional setting, we always consider the hazards when working around active lasers. Not to mention that 10gb connections are very susceptible to damage or performance issues from dirty fibers and optics. Wiping an LC connector on your shirt is not any way to clean the end and inserting a dirty connector into and SFP can damage the optics as well. I'd just like to see more of an emphasis on proper handling and safety when working with FO connections being this tech is entering the home markets. Just cause you can doesn't mean you should. 10Gb over CAT7 will be widely available to the home gamer soon enough and I think for everyone's safety copper is still the preferred method for the average person looking for higher throughput LAN connectivity. Leave the permanently eye-damaging connections to the pros or at least make people aware of the potential dangers of employing such tech in the home. Other than that, cool review.
Great way to get 10GB in the home without overspending. Great explanation
I've been using mikrotik routers since 2008. Good to see they are getting more coverage now and thank you for the info of this new product. I didn't know this CRS model exists before...
Mikrotik routers are pretty popular in Europe for more than 10 years. The price is good, and configurability / management features are pretty cool and professional. Some of their earlier routers didn't have as good performance as other big brands, but in many cases it doesn't matter. They only entered switch market recently. Most of their switches are still actually routers.
Found your channel by chance while researching In-Home 10GbE, love your style and presentation. You got a new sub!
me too!
Thanks for this! I'm going to be installing this soon so i can edit video off of my NAS
That is an awesome option for 10gbe thank you for sharing... Wait... No review on the brew?
I come from Cisco and Hitachi when we where developing their 10G Transceivers and Transponders for their Lightwave Products. I think its fair to mention that you're arrangment is really for a private internal network. So if you want Interest, that 10G is gonna bottle neck to 1Gbps (not Bytes) as that is the current offering from ISP. So you will not see improved speeds for any traffic involving internet through a modem. Right? Love your presentation style.
This video was about internal speeds to home servers though. Had nothing to do with internet access. And yes, you would need a much more capable switch for internet routing of 10Gbps+ traffic. For starters, something that won't choke to death when you add Layer 3 routes.
The part "but hold for a second, Linus" earned you one more subscriber :D Hilariously accurate! Nice video btw!
the best part of this video is watching the drink go down over time.
Awesome! I bet MikroTik's *CRS305-1G-4S+IN* sells will have a spike in the next few days :D
That product name though... Highly considering such a setup for my homelab.
1G - 1 giga bit RJ45 port at 1Gbps
4S+ - 4 SFP+ ports at 10Gbps
IN - PoW power in
CRS - Cloud Router/Switch (other lines RB - small business routers, CCR - cloud managed router, CCS - cloud managed switch,
305 - the 05 is because it has 5 total ports. 3 is because it is lowest series in the lineup.
Makes good sense to me.
It took me about five times watching this video to realize how cool this solution was.
Given my limited networking experience, though, it was NOT plug-and-play.
I set up a Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN to use as a switch between my home server and my home computer. I had everything connected together, but I was getting an abysmal 40-50 MBps transfer rate, not even saturating my HDD. What gives?
Turns out what I needed was to "Add a network location" in Windows Explorer to this new IP address for the 10 Gb network adapter on my server. So now I have two shares for the same folder, but one is 10 Gb and the other is through my LAN. Now I'm getting 250 MBps file transfers.
So relieved that's over. Thanks for the idea!
I like, straight to the point, all the information I need to make a reasonably informed decision, thanks for sharing this, I'll consider this in the future when I make my own router
Before I got to t he end of the video, I already went to Amazon and purchased the switch. The pair of boards were unavailable at Amazon and I had to buy something more expensive. I also ordered several DAC cables for my initial proof of concept installation. Thanks so much for the video, I am inspired. :-)
Great video and enjoyed the Linus references! I'm planning to build an office at the back of the garden (30m/90feet away). Now I'm wondering if I should go for 10G, though as I'm digging it by hand, I'd prefer the one that is longest lasting, as I don't want to dig up again for at least 5 years! Keep up the great work.
In your case i would certainly opt for fiber and 10gbit! Copper can degrade over time though it will likely take 20+ years. Fiber on the other hand lasts far longer and there will be ever higher speeds on fiber connections if you would like to use the link for faster speeds down the line. Be sure to put whatever cable you decide to use in a protective pipe made to use in the ground. Good luck with your project!
I'm just doing something similar at the moment and I'd recommend using conduit rather than direct burial for the data cabling. Using a fish tape, you can pull string through the conduit, tie/tape your cabling to the continuous string, then use the string to pull the cabling and more string through. This way you have your cabling and string in the conduit. If you need to replace the cabling or add some down the road, you still have string in the conduit to pull new stuff. The cable/fibre should be less prone to mechanical damage during and after installation too. I'd do this whether you decide to go for copper or fibre.
@@Renderman-Official Hi Mike, thank you for that, really appreciated, 10Gbit it is then, I don't like re-digging if I can help it! Don't worry on the protective side of things, found some good conduit with high IP rating. Thanks for the good luck, I might need it!
A real shame UA-cam doesn't notify for actual responses, it was only that I clicked when it said someone thumbed up my comment!
@@reidster87 Hi Reid, Thank you very much for commenting, I've got the method down pat for getting the cabling through the conduit, but it's never bad to have confirmation. Even found the fish tape on Screwfix already, never thought about leaving the string there, very good advice, thank you!
A real shame UA-cam doesn't notify for actual responses, it was only that I clicked when it said someone thumbed up my comment!
dig a tube, run whatever you want later.
I've just ordered one a few minutes ago. After slowly building up my Network (or rather making parts of it 10G capable) by adding a 10G card to my NAS, getting a 2,5G adapter for my Macbook (still plenty fast and very cheap) and connecting it to the rest of the Network via a MikroTik switch with SFP+, I've also ordered a Mac Studio and that has 10GbE as standard. Now I might need an NVMe Cache in the NAS though. Surprisingly, the NICs for SFP+ are quite expensive, too - about 55€ each and I needed three.
Nifty, I'll keep this in mind the next time I update my home LAN.
I purchased one of these switches a few weeks back. They are fantastic and mostly easy to setup (If you have the know how). You will need to be careful with what SFP module you use as not all work.
Everytime you skip 10 seconds the beer goes down abit. Great video
Every time I skip 10 seconds my fridge still has no beer.
That’s awesome information! Thank you sir!
Hi, I got 8mbps wifi will this device give me 10gb? Or atleast 2gb?
Awesome video... and with a great sense of humor towards Linus. I love the 'one liners'....
Just saw this two years later, Device is still available and only $135.
I missed that it was managed in the video. This is great to hear. This will be a strong candidate for the synchronization network for my cluster.
the Linus impression xD
Mikrotik rocks. Very sensible pricing and lots of features. High build quality also. The Mikrotik S+RJ10 is currently also the most cost effective RJ45 SFP+ 10GBit/s module.
Also, Linus makes good videos, but for a company that does video editing for a living, he still runs everything over copper, while 25Gbit/s switches and optical modules got so cheap that there's really no excuse not to use them. With them using the compatible SFP28 form-factor and being 100% compatible with older 10Gbit equipment, it's a no-brainer. And while there is a 25GBase-T standard, there is no equipment available on the market yet, and when it is, it will be incredibly expensive and requires much better cabling.
Sounds great, until you actually try to order one: I finally canceled mine a month after the order was placed and no response from their sales department.
It’s awesome to see how far we’ve come in connectivity terms. 10 gig accessible for those at home and 40 & 100 now common in the datacenter.
Yes, in Sept 2020, it seems like most of this stuff is really starting to get affordable, even if you don't jerry-rig it.
We appreciate you. Thanks for the content.
Mikrotik makes pretty solid devices for the price.. I became a fan of it six month ago.. Now I have a RB3011, RB750, HapMini, HapAC.. 😅😅😅😅 they're fun to play with it.
Latvian router review should be topped with latvian beer. Or baltic porter, atleast.
I just realized the pattern on the box and gave it a quick Google search to confirm my thought. Latvia for the win :)
Needs some Valmiermuiža!
@@zoravar.k7904 unfiltered one
*at least
This is also a much better option compared to buying a used 10GbE rack switch. I have one of those, a Quanta LB6M, which is a managed switch. At the time I bought it, it was the most cost-effective 10GbE solution available. This, however, is much better. And the fact it's fanless is definitely great - the LB6M has three (3) 40mm fans rated at obscene noise (50+db/A), but they get airflow you'd expect from a 60mm or 80mm fan. So... yeah.
But for me, though, I don't see going with it. Only because it has 4 ports. MikroTik is coming out with an 8-port model, though, and that I might jump for when it's available. I already have a 10GbE switch with 4 devices connected to it, so I'd want room to expand. My next networking move will instead be to buy a Gigabit with with an SFP+ uplink to replace the standard Gigabit switch I have in the rack currently.
When I move my rack out of my room, I'm likely going to be running 10gig through a UniFi US-16-XG.
You should of at least gave a link to Linus's channel with how often you said his name and knocked fun at him. lol!!
I use to watch the Linus videos a long long time ago. For some reason I don't find his content as useful as I got older. Less interest in some ridiculous PC gaming setup, and more interested in real world "get er done" good and cheap.
I think this is why I like your video. Straight and to the point. Thanks!
just found your channel. great stuff. looking forward to watching your videos and new ones to come. thx.
Ditto, this hit my UA-cam front page today yet I've never come across his vids before. The algorithm is feeling this channel.
I've been using MikroTik equipment in a production environment for ~10 years, certified more than once, and I have _never_ heard it pronounced, by trainers and manufacturer reps, in any way other than "micro-tick".
Please correct me if I am wrong, but did you really called that Mikrotik unmanaged??? Because it's managed.
its managed and you can choose between switch OS and Router OS
Yes, I know. And that's why I wrote that comment. I can't belive that someone is making a guide/review of product without even reading product specs.
And he quotes Linus' method way to vaguely, it's infiniband, not just a 10gb link which is what he is doing
Linus' first video (4x network speed) used Infiniband. His second was 10x, using 10GbE.
@@CraftComputing Touche, my bad for jumping conclusions, was very good video
Beer and Computers? You're my kind of UA-camr! As much as I'd love to have a full 10Gb home network I just have too many devices and couldn't really justify the expense.
Flash back to when I spent $110 for a 5 port 10-base-T Hub...
The MikroTik switch just came back in stock. Ordered one immediately, as well as the cards and cables on Amazon you linked to. Hope this all works as well for me as it did for you. Thanks for the great video and information.
It's out of stock last time I checked about 10 minutes ago
can you test the 10g port to 1g port data transfer？simply connect a 1g eth to the tranceiver
That would be useful. I saw some reports complaining about the throughout in this situation.
@@danielb7390 I use a CRS317 (big brother of this switch), and tried using 1G to the S+RJ10 transceiver before. Throughput was ok (get ~120MB/s copy speed) but the switch shows a lot of "Rx Pauses" under the error page. There is no actual pause that I encounter. Pings are sub-milliseconds. I guess those RX pauses are due to the speed difference between 1G and 10G. But once I hook it up to a 10G Intel x540, no more errors, no more pauses.
Ken Choo the problem is actually from s+rj10 to Ethernet port, do you notice the transfer speed is choked?
@@unclewho Nope. S+RJ10 to Dell R620 onboard 1G NIC (before I purchased the 10G daughterboard). I believe that daughter board is based on broadcom chips. Transfers at full speed. Haven't tried S+RJ10 to another 1G switch. Oh, and also note my other comment about the transceiver not supporting jumbo frames. Maybe that is the issue you are talking about?
forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=132246
Ken Choo what I'm facing is transfering data from 10g to 1g on the same mikrotik switch. and i didn't enable jumbo packets anywhere in my setup, i notice the 2nd response in your thread mentioned the problem I'm talking about
It's great to see this type of kit at a consumer price point - worth checking out.
That said, if your needs are still only having 2 devices talk to each other (eg desktop to server like your setup, and the same for me), then I would still advice people to look at a peer-to-peer setup. It took me max 15 mins to install the hardware and configure the server & client networks, and works a dream - I can't really see anything you gain by adding this to the mix. You get the expand-ability, but there's nothing stopping you adding this down the line - but you would save on the cost of the switch and the extra cable you need.
$110 is definitely cheaper than other solutions, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "affordable" (especially considering other costs involved.) It is definitely feasible now for enthusiast consumers / pro-sumers though, which is cool.
Also, you said you could only do 10 gigabit on Cat 6 up to "25 or 30 feet"...but the official rating for Cat 6 is that it can do 10 gigabit in "typical worst case scenarios" up to 37 meters (120 feet) and up to 55 meters (180 feet) in ideal/low crosstalk scenarios. I could be wrong, but a few short cable runs at home are probably closer to the "ideal" scenario than to worst case in terms of crosstalk.
Considering all of that, I'd be more interested in this switch if it used RJ-45.
I'd call $200 pretty affordable, as the users who would benefit from 10Gb in the past have been stuck at a $1000 wall for a 4-port 10Gb switch, and they were rarely fanless.
Yes, the official spec for CAT6 @10G is 37M, but it also depends heavily on the termination of the cable. But like I said, the cost of most 10G RJ45 gear is still out of reach.
Craft Computing What about the cost of an enthusiasts HEDT or Xeon level motherboard+CPU to support the extra PCI-E lanes for the PCI-E SSD & PCI-E 10 Gbps Network card?
@@TefenCaPCH PCIe lanes
IEEE 802.3an-2006 (updated 2017). For a structured cable install to be classified Cat6 it needs to be tested to 10G @55m and for Cat6a 10G@100m. Manufactured cables need to meet these requirements to be sold as cat6 or cat6a. Otherwise an excellent vlog, think I will continue waiting until 8 port copper switches become better value.
I still much prefer sfp+ and infiniband. Cheaper, power efficient, lower latency.
mother of god, this guy goes places. THE TECHIEST ONES.
Cat5e is plenty capable of connecting at 10 Gigabit and cat5e will work just fine in almost any 10 gig home network solution. If the cat5e structured cabling is already in place it will very likely work just fine.
This is perfect and just what I have been looking for to connect my ZFS Video Editing NAS to my 2 Workstations (Mac Pro 5,1 and HP Z820). Perfect! Thanks a bunch!
That's the main reason for my upgrade, is to capture and edit video directly from the NAS storage.
@@CraftComputing Sweet. I have have been running a Davinci Resolve 14 setup with a ZFS RaidZ2 Media NAS on some random hardware I had for almost a year, and for what it is worth It been okay to work with considering I have edited and colour graded 5K RedRaw footage. I still need to tweak some stuff and I think beef up my editing system to get smooth playback, but it works and not even really tuned yet. This is with a single DAC connection between my Workstation and the NAS.
You gained a sub just for trolling Linus...& I actually like Linus! 😂
Thanks for showing us how to get faster 10Gb networking at home. Yeah, in the past, it was just too expensive, but looks like everything is coming down in price. I thought about it, but I didn't want to spend (like) $600 / $700 / $800 for a switch when I looked. And, cards were about $150-ish. BUt, now, looks like everyman can one day afford a faster network. Thanks. Subbed.
You can actually run 10gbit over CAT5E. There's a guy on youtube who did that. Look it up!
It's not officially supported, and when I comes to networking, I won't recommend it!
@@CraftComputing Yes and no, 10gbit is certified/supported on Cat5e up to 45m, however this only applies to the structured cabling not patch leads which have no official certification/support. This of course means that if you have a building wired for Cat5e and the cable runs are within distance you can just use the existing wiring combined with Cat 6a or 7 patch leads to connect you 10g equipment and save a truckload.
@@CraftComputing *when it comes
you can do it but your cable has to be short .the longer the run the better the cable has to be
I believe it is supported up to 45 meters, it can be done.
Cat5e:
Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters
10 Gigabit Ethernet up to 45 meters
Cat6:
Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters
10 Gigabit Ethernet up to 55 meters
Cat6a:
Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters
10 Gigabit Ethernet up to 100 meters
I have also seen this in some Enterprise networks using CAT5e to run to IDF closets for uplinks, They were about 20 meters apart. It would probably be fine at home with use of a high quality CAT5e Cable. However, its not much more expensive to go CAT6, only use CAT5e in a pinch, it keeps from collisions on the wire and other network errors. However, CAT5e *should* be fine up to 45 meters.
As you asked, no I can't see me doing this anytime soon. We had a ZFS NAS for a bit, which was seriously under used. Most of the data we transfer is to a network printer or two. After that the network has to support me watching you, and our current CAT5e is fine for that.
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I can spot your comments on every newer video I watch for last week, I'm being suspicious. But I like your videos, just like this one :)
@@tnaxpw Jeff is a good buddy of mine!
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Where I live there is hardly any ISPs that can reach our home. We are only able to get a LTE Hotspot router with 50gbs per month. So unfortunately my "streaming" capabilities are very limited. Ive been looking into building an offline LAN for me and my wife to stream content from my media server and Ive been looking to find a way to hook up everything in my office together and still maintain good speeds and I believe I just found it with this video.
mikrotik 10G switch has nasty bug, and they just don’t fix it. The 10G port traffic to 1G port suffers terrible packet loss, and ridiculous slow speed, 300Mbps, what’s the point of 10G? i really don’t trust mikrotik on this one
Some of their switches bog down quite a bit if you route layer 3 traffic on them. But with a flat layer 2, you should get line rate.
I'm not aware of bugs on any of their switches that cause packet loss.
@@CraftComputing The issue mentioned is on layer 2 due to buffer bloat(most probable). Mikrotik customer service admit it and they released a "fix" in 6.44beta6 "*) crs3xx - improved data transmission between 10G and 1G ports; ", this "fix" increases 10G->1G from 200Mbps to 300Mbps and this is more likely a software issue, so I believe it presents in all of their 10G switchs, I would like to see your test on CRS305.
And you can find plenty of discussions on Mikrotik forum: forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=128843
forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=126274
these discussions are dead because no official response, nor useful fix, no nothing.
@@CraftComputing I own 2 s+rj10 and both css326 and crs326, this issue makes my 10G setup useless. and based on the discussion in the forum, for css326 this issue presents since swos2.4, it proves Mikrotik did screw it up.
@@CraftComputing would love to see any followup on this as I am one of the viewers seriously considering purchasing this setup
@@unclewho 200-300Mb/s would be a poor joke on a 1Gb consumer switch, why in the world would Mikrotik allow that to happen on a 10Gb switch? Shotty product?
Thanks for breaking down all the components I would need. As a pro-sumer I was lost trying to figure out a path to 10G that didn't cost an arm and a leg. My layout needs 4 switches which made the computer adapter costs a rounding error :)
@3:10 HAHAAH!!! Linus tech tip video. (his office is approx 15 min from my house) @Linus Media Group
You might want to check out the affiliate link for the "2x Connectx-2 PCIe SFP+ Cards", it's pointing to a dead product ;)
Great video though, i just grabbed one of these switches on ebay, very cheap currently!
Pick up an old 24 port Quanta LB6M for $300 or less. What the heck are you going to do with 4 ports?
For home usage? how many devices in a home will actually support/need more than 4x10Gbe speeds?
@@YamilLlanos I think the point is for home use, people usually want as few devices as possible so this can be limiting.
You forgot to mention AOC, they're strill pretty cheap, and since they're fiber, you can get them much longer than a regular DAC cable.
I'm also finally thinking about pulling the trigger and ordering one of these switches to go with my RB5009 and CRS310-8G+2S+IN, so I can connect my PC and servers through 10G.
This video is at least 8 feet long, so I don't know what you're talking about with it only being 3 feet...
Couple of things:
1. RJ45 10Gb is about cables already in the wall and the fact that LV companies send lightly trained squirrels to run the cables through the house. So throwing fibre into their plans is going to go poorly. So $40 per connection makes sense when you have only a few edge devices. Also the cables are run, so if all you need to do is buy an adapter essentially and there is no meaningful degradation of performance then it still makes sense.
2. This switch is cheap but completely unmanaged, that might affect folks, especially when you want 10Gb with devices that might access the internet as well and you'd like controls on that
3. Lastly, Mikrotik is commonly in the list of major switch vulnerabilities so any users need to be vigilant, much more so than Ubiquity or Netgear.
Drinking game... every time he mentions Linus or LTT... Take a drink...
Looks like a good starter SFP+ switch. I found that 10Gbe became an addiction and wanted to have more devices connected at 10Gbe. Then you want to start doing teaming and LACP and the next thing you know your on ebay looking for 24 port enterprise level switches...
This is the roast video of Linus. Lmao. 🤣🤣
Glad to see prices dropping on this sort of stuff. I ran Cat 6a in my house awhile back so that when prices finally got low enough I could start looking at getting myself some 10gbit ethernet switches for that great server action.
So I have cat 7 already ran in the house so cost effective goes to the rj45 adapter here
Yep in that case it sure would! How many ports would you need?
@@Renderman-Official I have 7 runs to wall plugs and one gig eth in for the switch.
"cat 7"
@@mark22732 Yes Cat 7 it is ISO/IEC 11801 certified. It is just not recogniced by the EIA/TIA. It has been the standard for new installations in my country for a long time now. I dont understand why cat. 5e is still the norm in the US.
I just ordered the netgear 16port 10gbe switch, and order the knock off intel 10gbe nic's off of ebay. The setup works great, and I can sustain 900-1050 transfer speeds. The switch was kinda expensive but worth it.
If you're wiring up say a home, on a limited budget, could not 10gbit over cat and RJ45 make sense? When talking 10-15-20 wall sockets, optical can get ridiculously expensive fast.
Of course it works with cat6 and rj45.
@@abcdefg9613 But SFP+ RJ45 modules are usually more expensive than the entire fiber link would cost. Netgear has some 10GbE switches (8-16-24-48 port) for reasonable prices with RJ45's for CAT6/CAT6a cabling.
Of course run twisted pair in the house! You don't need all 20 of them to be 10GbE right away and 10GbE RJ45 switches will turn into common and affordable consumer boxes eventually. Repairing fibre if anything ever happens to it (even a single inch from the connector) would be such a pain in the ass and an expensive job!
Fiber is cheaper than twisted pair for 10Gb deployments, ironically. Pre-terminated LC-LC cables from fs.com are affordable, and don't require expensive non-standard (the SFP+ spec does not provide enough power to drive these, so they are all vendor specific) 10GBASE-T SFP+ modules (or even more expensive 10GBASE-T native switches).
That being said, the Mikrotik CRS-317-1G-16S+-RM has you covered for 16 ports of 10Gb speed and does support their vendor-specific 10GBASE-T SFP modules, so it will work regardless if you decide to go the multimode fiber or RJ45 route.
Use conduit, always - you will have the same problem with twisted pair if you don't make it easy to physically swap the cable out. Field assembly LC connectors exist that don't require anything more than a fiber cutter and stripper as well, they have higher attenuation than spliced connectors but that's a non-issue for runs inside a home or office.
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you never do disappoint do ya my guy much luv and appreciation keep on keeping on sir
when all of the tech channel knew linus,....
-craft computing joins the conversation
Nice video. Wasn't aware of this product despite the fact that I've used Mikrotik's router products for years. Great company with solid products.
*drops cable*
ehi this is a linus tech tips video.
insta subscribed.
Thanks for the great info. Video quality and presentation are very good. Keep up the great work!
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