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Some 27 years after the abolition of apartheid, there are still communities of white South Africans who refuse to mix with their black fellow citizens. It's the case in the town of Orania, where the only language spoken is Afrikaans, the tongue of the first Dutch settlers. In Orania's schools, students are taught an alternative version of history. Our colleagues from France 2 report, with FRANCE 24's James Vasina.
A programme preapred by Patrick Lovett and Gaëlle Essoo.
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Afrikaners: Please stop killing us.
Rest of the World: How DARE you?
Afrikaaneers : "we are bible believing Christians "
Bible : "every one shall go back to their own land and the Earth shall be at rest (peace).
It's time for you to go!
Run heathen ruuuun.
The Lord rebuke you!
@@Moses4644 Jesus is my Savior. May God bless you.
@@Moses4644 Dear Mr. Moses, I am an Afrikaner American. I do not live in South Africa. Most of us Afrikaners (and Americans) do not follow the Bible, do not obey Jesus, and are headed for Hell.
@@gospelfilms7942 with your lips you bless but your actions are contrary heathen. Therefore may the Lord rebuke you double for trying to deceive.
If they don’t want to mix who cares. A lot of the black community stays to itself.
Removing historical figures from textbooks is an issue though, it shows how deeply insecure they are. Revisionist history needs to stop
@@TheFamousMockingbird Exactly. I also believe that they want to play the victims and that is why they removed Mandela. Plus if you don't teach history it can repeat itself and who knows.. Maybe that is what they want.
TheFamousMockingbird I DO AGREE THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE IN DEED INSECURE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR
If the whites of Africa are murdered nobody says anything, if they kill blacks in eeeuu it is published in all the news and international organizations, Hypocrites.
@jon cullen the white genocide myth is a tired lie being pushed out by white supremacists deflecting from their own races history of genocide against non white people. Tell me the statistics of black on white killings since the end of apartheid. There is a huge security issue in SA totally mishandled by the ANC but using the word genocide in this way is disingenuous and makes a mockery of the term. By the way I used to live in London and I used to go to Brixton. In recent years it's been taking over by white hipsters. Now that is what I call gentrification :-)
No theft, no murder, no intimidation..... Sounds like the place to be
So move there
“Until the Lion tells the story, the hunter will always be the hero.”
I’m sorry, but who exactly are you calling the lion?
This here are the facts!
Until The Story Of The Hunt Is Told By The Lion, The Tale Will Always Glorify The Hunter. Thats how it sau in Swahili
@@hannatesfayetamene890 The lion can be anyone or anything
The hunter is n, and ly
Ion wh
They have Black only communties in South Africa too.
No they don't....they have no idea what a black community is. However, there are multiple Zulu, Tswana and Xhosa communities.
Duh It's AFRICA .. It's Majority black people. Now find me a black only community in Europe designed by Black people... I'll wait
Fred Focus Paris
kamvajnr dj mhluzi The difference is in black only towns any race can live there. You can’t live in Orania even if you are a rich, well known black person, with no criminal record. You can’t go there if you are Asian or mixed-race either. In a country which is supposed to be majority black. Never anywhere in Europe, would you ever get anything like this. That’s why, a lot of people have issues with it.
They are communities that were allocated to the blacks during the apartheid regime, and don't segregate nor chase anyone of any race, color, gender, unlike this video evidence provided.
Uhm.... this is stupid. The "tongue of the first dutch settlers" was.... dutch.
Try telling them that.
They really think the original people are the problem. They did that to the Australian aborigines and native Americans and they still see nothing wrong.
Yes some were Dutch Portugese Spanish and other part of Europe
And Boers were not solely of Dutch decent.
Languages change genius
"Nelson Mandela is not in their books because he isn't part of their history"
LOL
Crazy right?!
@@michaeldiggs3009 why not celebrating a man that did kill your kids
and is representing the dismantling of the nation your ancestors did create
@@Illtechnica to be used as a tool against men that did create and are maintaining the nation is not contributions
it is the opposite of it
be it in SA ,USA or Sweden ,France ....
@@curocurovic6675 the power wasn't very used in some areas, was it?
@@curocurovic6675 you are ill informed
I am black South African I love both whites and blacks we should love one another.
For a town of 2000 people, it sure has a lengthy and detailed Wikipedia entry.
Wikipedia is not to be trusted
@@rip2025 I'm just noting the size of the entry.
@Jon michael Maybe you want to create your own all-white town. You can do that, start a petition and hand it out to white people across America.
@@LukaDonesnitch America has plenty of all-white towns, and many of them are places the average white person wouldn't want to live.
@@Murchad99 well according to these white guys on UA-cam they seem to believe they can’t have all white towns for some reason. That affirmative action or blacks are holding them back from achieving their all white haven. Apparently somebody made it illegal because that’s all they complain about on YT day in and day out.
0:17 Fact check. Afrikaans was not the tongue of the first Dutch settlers. Dutch was.
@ I was simply stating a historic fact. I like accurate history. Afrikaans is not 100% Dutch, and Dutch is most certainly not Afrikaans. They made a mistake. As an Afrikaner, I find their ignorance offensive.
If I said that when the Pilgrims came to America, they spoke modern American English, everyone would think I'm stupid. If I protested and said, "Well, modern American English comes from the British English of a few hundred years ago," I would not have corrected my initial error. It just shows how little effort they put into this.
Gospel Films as a Dutchman I find I can understand Afrikaans always except when it’s very formal
@@lithiumvids9448 Even words like piesang and baie? Yes; you can understand much Afrikaans. My point was just that the video made a factual mistake by saying that the first Dutch settlers spoke Afrikaans, as it was only developed later.
I can see that Afrikaans could have been classified as a Dutch dialect. A very dumbed down version of Dutch. But there are different definitions of what is classified as a language or just a dialect. The old saying goes, "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy." Afrikaans had both and now has neither.
Om eerlik te wees, my volk is te lui om ons taal reg te praat. Hulle meng baie Engelse woorde in. Plus baie vuil vloekwoorde. Hulle kannie die woorde reg spel nie al word byna alles geskryf presies soos dit klink. Die eindresultaat is 'n afgewaterde gemors. Wat moet mens met so volk maak? Net die Here sal weet.
Gospel Films Afrikaans ziet er.......interessant uit ja, en het is volgens mij ook een dialect, want plat Limburgs is ook geen taal terwijl normale Nederlanders dat helemaal niet kunnen verstaan.
Gospel Films and we also have piesang
As a Black man, I respect their decision to live alone. They should also leave us alone.
Your a sad person. Look forward not backwards.
They need to get tf out of Africa
Yeah n they must stop cheating our black people 😑
cool bro
Yes, blacks should stay in Africa except......that most of you want to come to the white countries.
As a black South African, I've slept over at a motel in this place. The hospitality and service I received(and overall experience) was amazing! These Afrikaners treated me with absolute respect and the service was impeccable. My brother and parents(who came with me) also admitted that they feel safer in the area, we accidentally left our car unlocked outside with the windows rolled down to keep it cool. Nobody touched our car during the night. If this was PTA or JHB, the car would've been stolen. I don't know what these guys are saying, but they are talking k*k. I wish the current SA government could be as competent as those leading Orania. Thanks Afrikaners, once again leading by example again.
I like that
You still better watch 'em. I bet they were nicey, nicely at first to every country they stole America from them.
I don't believe a word you wrote.
@@mwbright yeah, I mean the username as well tells a lot.
Lair you aren't Black at all. You're looking for excuses to praise Afrikaaners 😏
avoid blacks by living in africa??? you're in the right continent lmao
92% Africans...
@armagedon026 Jesus, you have a dirty mind or you have crossed the line of being paranoid.
@armagedon026 Yes, if you work out the deal as the Dutch did. However, if you go back on it, keep the land but the house is not yours either.
Right!!! How slow can people be
@@Facts-Over-Feelings Yes, and let South Africa go back to the third World countries list
As a South African myself, I had no idea that this place existed
wow.
@Hopper33 nah South Africa should send them back, integrate or leave. Imagine if everyone started living after their ethnicity or history and language?
@Hopper33 the whole continent is stuck i the past..
@@kml7259 South Africa has failed to integrate and has become a country run by Black communists who seek revenge, not equality. Living seperately away from being persecuted and discriminated against for being white is the best they can do under the circumstances.
wow
full white town. Organized. No crime. No killings. Normal schools.
You people tried to genocide black people. You white "Africans" are inherently criminal.
@@dsaasd-bc3bg no genocide happened
@@dsaasd-bc3bg Funny how you outnumber Whites 15:1- same ratio throughout last 350 years - no genocide happened. Now pull out the stats of White murder victims by Bl-a-cks and do the comparison.
Leave these people alone, their way of living do not harm anyone.
Will it Not in long Run too ?
I’m pretty sure the first Dutch settlers spoke Dutch, but I’m no expert.
Of course the Dutch spoke Dutch. Afrikaans is a dialect which has developed over a few hundred years.
@@calvinpurdy2668 i'm still yet to meet an Afrikaner South African that is willing to admit that their true origin is Dutch... somehow they all believe that they originated here in africa 😮
@@mpumentshangase4257 They might well have been born in Africa, as was I, but their ancestors most likely came from the Netherlands. My ancestors are from Germany and America.
The whole segment was revisionist history. Some people’s commitment to delusion is uncanny
@Silungisele Mthimkhu i find it: soet soos stroop (sweet like sugar) baba
"They want to live alone but we want to live with them". The eternal history of Europe and europeans.
Except in south africa?
@@palebluedot7435 No, also in SA. We are those who cannot breathe because they don´t leave us alone for a single second.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720
Lol I think you missed the point
Reread your comment and consider mine
You cant complain about being left alone when your living in the hunting grounds of another people
Dutch migrated there and want to be " left alone" after taking land more then once btw once from San
Then again from bantu in the 18-1900s
Alejandro soto martin are you guys still alive?
pale blue dot maybe the bantu shouldve had a more strict immigration policy. Take a tip from Steve Biko dude. For real. Study Steve Biko, Malcom X, and Marcus Garvey. Not all Civil Rights leaders agreed with WEB Du Bois and MLK jr. Check out Booker T Washington as well. There is an entire different side to Integration, called Separation. It is different than Segregation
People have a right to associate with whom ever they want to associate with.. as a black person i can respect that
Udakiwe wena.
THIS!!! Thank you buddy. People demonize one group for maintaining their identity and it's not normal.
But excluding others is something else.
@@yoliswambebe619 Access to our countries is not your "human right".
@@funjunk2835 what country?
That's what they are trying to do here in the US Black privilege is running rampant
Oh, for sure. Every they yhe police shoot them less and less. Those rampant people
Danny don't talk rubbish
How did you ever come up with that one ? Especially, with all of the inequality that America stands for.. You have apparently misspoke. But, I will gladly accommodate in enlightening your indubious ignorance. "It is the aire of White Supremacy, that is running, how it has always been ran." What, if I may ask, is dominated and is running rampant, by the Black Community, other than crime ? We , against our own will, built the foundation, from which others merely profited. And what you witness today, here in America, is only a continuum of a process that was instigated, long before you or I came into existence. We, like everyone else, are only part of an evolutionary dynamic. Part of a trajectory of misfortune for some and most certainly, a benefit for others. If you look deep into your history and you are with a moral compass, you should be ashamed. On the other hand, if that is not the sentiment felt, "GOD have mercy, on your soul."
If they wanna live alone let them seems like they not bothering anyone.
Balla 1527 if they do the same things in a place like US, UK, italy, etc they start playing victim card and cry for racism.....black life matter, etc....they even burn shop, protesting in the street, etc
Thato P truth hurt??
I think the concern is in so much whether they live alone or not. It's that places like these will go to means like physical intimidation/blocking people who are different. For example a black guy with money and equal opportunity to buy land isnt allowed in by no virtue other than, we dont want him here... Its tribalism and it has no place in a free society.
Tell them to get tf out of our continent.
@Dwayne Neal they’re not, only the Khoisan are. Then came the Dutch and after that the Bantu. I really hope the Dutch and Bantu give back the land to the Khoisan
They choose to live alone And no one knows they exist So what's the problem? 🤷🤷🤷 3:14
@Jack Stucki true
Imagine living in a country with South Africa’s history of racism and apartheid but choosing to avoid teaching that part of history to create your own narrative..These are delusions of ppl trying to cling on to racist & outdated practices
@Communism Is Judaism the wealth distribution is shocking if you see the stats, inequality is way too big of course they will hate the top chain which is white people there.
If you think from the south african perspective its understandable but i dont know which one is right or wrong
@Communism Is Judaism and remember colonialism
@@imanafdar are you suggesting that Afrikaaner be expelled from South Africa?
I don't support the racism but Orania is an inspiration to all communities in South Africa. It is clear that the ANC has failed to run the country, instead of looking for false hope, communities in South Africa should focus on being self sufficient independent from government.. communities should run their own schools, hospitals and start their own businesses to create jobs... it's a step for reviving the country.. thank you Orania... your economic model is the only way to save South Africa from the ANC
Thank you. One of the few who ranks as sane and quite honest.
@@norapeters7973 The land was forcefuly taken from South Africans and it must be given back without compensation.
Racism is when you hate someone with another skin color. They never said they hated black peoples (matter of fact in the comments black peoples said they were treated nicely there), they just want to live together, people sharing the same values and cultures.
Orania is only soo rich because of its “racism”
The people create the nation and when you have a town of ethnic Dutch Afrikaaners then the town will have similar crime rates to Netherlands and Europe.
What "racism" are you talking about?
How can you support Israel, but be against a small white only community?
I don't see where the problem is, I'm black and I don't blame them South Africa has become a shit hole because corruption and crime
Irony is "Afrikaner" is literally African... I just don't understand why people who despise African Natives would name their whole culture and community after the thing they despise.
@@TheDaeroner No, not every Afrikaner despises black Africans. It's a minority. Sure , you find racism, but that's something in all communities. By the way, the Dutch, and other language groups as well, married black and slave women here at the Cape. So most white people here have black African in their ancestry as well. Some will deny this, but many not.
Thanks for saying that. I’ve heard that from many South Africans including people that have left Because of the crime. What a shame.
South Africa was better off under apartheid ?!
Your ignorance is embarrassing. Delete this nonsense.
@@TheDaeroner the dutch afrikaners are native to south africa. The mass waves of blacks came 200 years later around 1900
Just look at all the anti white racial slurs in the comments section, no wonder these people seperate themselves.
Craig non human anti black comments are far more common in videos involving South Africa, this is an exception
Seperate yourselves by moving out. Don't come into another man's house and carve out a seperate section for yourselves. U have no right to do that.
Where?
Ram Pokker literally look up any video on South Africa
Get out.
They're nostalgic for their country back. A safe country, worthy of raising their children in.
Colonizers
@@lemonaids5689 Yeah, they brought civilization. Cry harder will you? I can't yet sail my boat on your tears..
@@jackwoods535 true i'm a Zulu from KZN and i don't see a problem with it and claiming land is ridiculous politiceans want to get money by selling that land 😂🤦♂ really dumb and yeah we have some white people in our community.
@Ibo Zambotnik They built Rhodesia and it was a safe and wonderful place while they ruled..
@Ibo Zambotnik Lol. Says the people who necklaced each other with burning tires and now have a lower standard of living then when the Boers ruled.
They are the minority in a country built by their ancestors. Why shouldn't they want to have their own settlement
Because they are colonizers
Its a safe space for a minority...... just not the right minority, isn't it?
@Jig Saw
Haha
I will memorize that for my next libtard conversation.
True dat
@@xwind1970 so you are promoting white supremacy?
@@TheZombie001 you need to check your thoughts and beliefs my guy. you are suggesting something that fits into your narrative, to me it seems like you read a totally different comment
@@philip9528 what do you reckon the first post meant Phil ?
Once again, foreign media as always tells half a story
What is the other half ?
What is the other half?
The persecution they face of course
@@stoneman289 they’re a bunch of racists you sad weirdos
They only tell the white people side of the story “boo boo they intimidate us 😭”
What is wrong with it. They are peaceful and not part of the violent gangster South Africa.
Hopefully their choice to move into this town has nothing to do with safety reasons. No matter how South Africa handles the situation, violence against anyone based on race should absolutely not be tolerated.
Every action has an opposite and proportional reaction. You sow violence, you don't reap peace.
When apatheid was raging and south Africans were massacred, where were you? Now you are saying no one should incite violence against the whites. Is the land for them? KILL THE BOER AND CLEAR SOUTH AFRICA OF IMPERIALISTS
Shut up. You literally make me sick.
@@mountzion2495 the numbers would make you ashamed ,if you did have that ability
@@emmaatieno7057
you should educate yourself about the history of west african populations in that region
Holy shit, I'm South African and I have not even heard of this place.
cuz its a shit hole
@@eddycarpenter8989 - Coz it’s thriving. While ANC territory is disintergrating. Theft and corruption everywhere. Racism between Bantoes, San, Koi and Zulus. Discrimination against African foreigners leading up to blatant racist murders.
This ‘European culture’ place is blossoming. ANC controlled media are not going to cover this. It might wake the black south African up. I am Dutch and have known about this place for decennia. Betsie Verwoerd lived here and was one of the establishers.
ANC does not want you to know. It’s a succes story.
@@eddycarpenter8989 Oh have you been there?
@@RivaZA1 no but i smell the people through my computer screen
If you’re a minority then that’s best thing you can do: sticking together
They are on stolen African land and yes because of this they should
@@kushtaseti4336 The largest black ethnic groups arrived in South Africa after the Boers did
@@samc2450 who are they ?
You meant to say:...."if you are a colonizer, you stick together. ..."
Same as ameriKKKa
@@samc2450 do you even know the history?
Nostalgic for apartheid? I doubt it very much, they just want to be left alone, stop inciting hate.
It may not be racist, they probably feel comfortable living amongst themselves. They are not violent.
At no point did they demonstrate that the people were nostalgic about apartheid. Disgraceful journalism
Did the statues of Apartheid leaders, currency, and the alternative school curriculum not clue you in?
3:04 listen
Yes they are, they dont recognize mandela….
@@louiemangahis just because they don't recognize him, doesn't mean they are nostalgic about apartheid. Many Afrikaans people are distasteful about the air around his name. He was a literal terrorist that killed several innocent children. Older groups of South Africans despise the way his past is wiped away and how he is praised for things he had little to do with. Even though the abolishment of apartheid was well overdue and a massive change, he was only the posterchild because of his backstory. Read up about the Church street bombing if you are curious as to why he was imprisoned in the first place.
@@lohanventer4400 so Mandela was supposed to sit back and wait for apartheid to end by itself. That's what happens when you oppress people they fight back and you can't set the rules for war, besides the apartheid government killed a lot of black school children way way more than what you are talking about. They are racist just admit the obvious
I'm coloured and I don't see what's wrong with white people choosing to live isolated. This is a free Country. Even they have freedom of choice. Respect their right to live away from blacks. WELL DONE ...
I agree, but they have no official racial policy in Orania. Maybe they are all secretly racist, but I am white and both my parents are Afrikaans but would not be eligible to live in Orania because I'm not an Afrikaner Calvanist. Freedom of association is very important because if nobody wants to associate with a person or group, that person or group is clearly the problem. If the state forcing people to associate actually enables bad behavior because they are preventing the social consequences of people's actions.
South Africas growth and blessings will thrive on integration of all the races.
why don’t they go back to where they came from if they hate living with us so much? like why is that never an option
@@dimabaranova1213 it’s a free country idiot.There a plenty of African only communities in Europe.We don’t say ‘go back to Africa’.
@@nick2aim431 there reason there is only african free communities in Europe because most Europeans cant integrate with different colours and races unless for sport or work reasons. South Africa is a land where you have to integrate and respect ever race or leave.
It is not about not letting the past go. It is living in a place where things work. We need more enclaves like this. The government worries about these people doing something for themselves, instead of looking at the country falling apart under their leadership. The mentality of i want what you have, I do not want to do it myself.
Go back to Europe...
Go back to Europe if you want a place that work
The "I want what you have mentality" summarizes some decades of your History and explains why you and your parents settled in the land you are living.
Looks like The Most High wont let the PAST GO....for there is MUCH WRATH yet to bestow upon the heathen of all nations....BOOK OF OBADIAH.
@@ChessNoobX Should we say to immigrants go back to africa??
I'm amazed that these Afrikaans are surviving despite so many obstacles. They seem like hard working people.
They own most of the lands.
@@gobimurugesan2411
a lie ---yet you keep repeating it
your population in SA did grow from 3 millions to 50 in under european rule
most of the most fertile land is in your hands and in the hands of your government ,the problem is you want white land ,only to destroy it
@@curocurovic6675 last time I checked 70% of the land is still owned by whites. And they are not even 10% of the population.
@@gobimurugesan2411
" last time I checked "
you didn't do anything ,you did think and say what is being told to you
they own 23.6% of rural land and 11.4% of land in towns and cities
majority of land is owned by the state but in that land (that is in many cases more fertile ) there is nothing to loot and there is nothing to take from european men that created the nation west africans are dismantling
@@gobimurugesan2411 and btw because that people did feed you your population did grow from 3 millions to 50 and you want now ,based on that their property
what we see in SA will repeat itself until people learn some things
Come back to Netherlands guys 🇳🇱
And to Britain as well.
Bye felica 😂😂😂
@@tthkkkkk How did a pig get here ?
They dont have Visas or the money.
They can't or they will be killed or locked up.
They want to live crime free and in peace with their neighbors. What the hell is wrong with it....
go away racist white boy
Tienie ignore these idiots, people of every race has the right to live with their own kind
Nothing.
Nothing is wrong with it
@@pialachman5358 Says the racist!
then they should go live in peace in Europe where they belong. there they can live among their own how about that?
Safest Town in South Africa.
They were never justified in colonizing South Africa. It boggles my mind that they think their “heritage” of hate should be preserved at all. Giving black South African back land that was stolen is not wrong, no matter how much it disadvantages those who illegally took possession and profited from it. It’s interesting to see the mixed race woman identifying with the white Dutchmen.
Provide proof of the stolen land. Oh and please explain the Mfecane to me because the way I understand it Shaka stole land from other black tribes🤣🤣🤣
Nobody wanted it till they developed it. Read some history.
Nonsense. The khoi khoi are the indigenous population and they gave the Boers permission to settle. They then moved inland to unoccupied land. Do you where the Bantus came from? Central Africa, that's where. They migrated to south Africa too. What about the Zulu leader dignane and why he lost land? The boers agreed a treaty with him to get his livestock in return for allowing them to settle on land. After the Boers got his cattle back the Zulus violated the treaty and slaughtered the Boers. Enraged the Boers quickly took their revenge by defeating the Zulus at blood river and annexing the land as a punishment. They were not the innocent victims of white aggression.
@@wonjubhoy People dont care about the true history. They only follow the narrative some body else put in their small brains.
2:28 caught playing minecraft
Dirty Bong Water what?
Australian Man don’t tell me you don’t know what minecraft is 🤦🏻♂️
Master Yoda I know what minecraft is, I just don’t understand because I can’t see anyone playing minecraft
Australian Man oh, the boy in the back I think
Master Yoda ahhh, I think I see it now
My parents lived in Orania. I've been there several times. This news report is so slanted. I can tell you from first hand experience that the people in Orania are very devout Christians and any insinuation that black people are anything less-than is blasphemous. They simply want to preserve their culture and be left alone. You can live there if you prove that you are an Afrikaaner. I met a German man who lived there - he taught himself Afrikaans at age 50 and embraced the culture - he was reviewed and allowed to live there. It's incredible how they've turned semi-desert area that gets into the high 40s into a functional, clean town.
Do u believe faith alone saves?
Christianity that thought u it's ok to discriminate people based on their skin color
Nah I will pass that fairy tale
Christians that fly the old South African flag and sing de sterm.
Wait i thought Christians were welcoming and believed in the spreading of the word to all nations and races? Or do these particular Christians believe in spreading the word to only white people?
That isn't Christianity, just white supremacist robbery.
“No mention of Nelson Mendela in the school’s curriculum” says a whole lot about exactly what the children are being taught.
You mean, the Nelson Mandela who was part of a terrorist organization that killed both whites and blacks, or the Nelson Mandela on t-shirts in America?
Are you from SA? Do you know what is taught in our SA schools?
@@tanianel1701 Nelson Mendela ending apartheid? Yeah I expect it to.
Imagine welcoming a guest in your house, give him a room and later the guest decides to say that room is his new house and can't mix with other members of the house, sets up own rules and doesn't recognize the house owner anymore🤣🤣🤣. Spare me the joke,
The more time go by the more I learn. I just learned in the U.S.A they have similar law. It's on UA-cam.
They choose to live alone and I personally feel that they must just be left alone. Quite frankly they don’t bother anyone. I grew up in a post apartheid SA in a predominantly white neighbourhood and I moved out as soon as I found a job to a black township. I feel more comfortable being with people of my own race, and so should white people feel comfortable for wanting to be alone🤷🏽♂️ at least no one dies in the process. It’s all about preference at the end of the day coz honestly the rainbow nation facade DOES NOT WORK 🤞🏼🚮
Thank you brother
We aren't allowed to do that...LOL
Most honest and inspired comment.
Props to you bro💪 This is probably the best way to explain why our cultures don’t mix very well, without blaming either side or bringing up any form of discrimination or hate. I was also raised in a post apartheid SA, and i think that SA as a whole has more pressing issues than trying to hate on a small town that has a collective mindset.
Well said..
Teach those kids the truth, don’t dilute what really happened.
As soon as the state school system stops leaving out the fact that Bantus only arrived in South Africa 100 years before the Dutch did from history text books. Also the fact that the Bantus almost completely wiped out the Khoisan (the native South Africans).
Most difinetly. Google on you tube where Julius Malema EFF leader admits that black people are not native to South Africa.
@@aaronconlon3880 Typical "European" version of the truth.
@@khemistrycreators4845 You mean the truth that black South Africans don't like being brought up? Are you going to deny that the Khoisan exist and their people were almost driven to extinction by the Bantu invasions?
@@aaronconlon3880 The Khoisan are my people (BOTH Indigenous AFRICANS) It was European settlers (COLONIALISM) that nearly drove them to extinction, fact.
I see no issue with their decision to be alone...just let them be
@Ibo Zambotnik and west africans do not?
@Ibo Zambotnik
west africans came to that region 1000 years ago and after ending the natives they created infrastructure to sell own folks
european men did take zimbabwe 1000 years ago and in less than 100 years they created the breadbasket of africa
if you did know history you would know such things
@Ibo Zambotnik
son ,west africans have been made 13 000 years ago
more than 2 000 years ago they did take what s today uganda
in that 2 000 years the only thing they did develop was trade...they did trade girls from congo to arabs
buganda was one of the last territories to be colonised from europeans
the economy did not change in that 2 000 years
and they are even today angry that english people did force them to work the land
is all respect for asselar man and his descendants
you are not more native in that region than you are in france
and for who was better to the land ,descendants of asselar man or europeans a small observation of all of the european countries(including France) that you are "enriching " in the same way you did "enrich "SA should be enough to see that
Mugabe was an African champion
Why not move back to their home country Holland? Literally a Win-Win situation!!
because holland is following the "new left" and the dream of Horkheimer
@@curocurovic6675
Holland police open fired on their own civilians protesting covid restrictions, killing some of them, not too long ago
Home country? What, 400 years ago? That's older than America's history...should all Americans go back to where their ancestors were 400 years ago?
@@asAbsolute
I agree
This is more peaceful than the riot. I don't blame them.
This is racism, colonization, their ancestors took African land by force what a shame
I don't blame both white and black people because the system makes us do bad things
@@mehmetkoyuncuoglu1624 system is racist
@@yonniiisan The system is a racist and it also serves the rich people 🙄
@@yonniiisan
well what a SHAME that your ancestors was weak.. just the rule of nature doing it’s work.
My country was colonized and ruled for 300 years by Spaniards, but I am grateful they did because they bought to us development and culture, I couldn’t pretend to care for people I don’t even know that the Spaniards killed/oppressed just because they were my ancestral people.
yet you don’t see us b*tching about it because we aren’t crybabies and victim olympians, we have actual life problems unlike the whiny privileged west and some of the salty victim olympians in Africa who couldn’t move past what the white people did to their ancestors even after hundreds of years, we have self identity(unlike others that insists being black is their most important possession/trait) we just keep moving forward and be better, there is no use, point or justification delving in your weakling ancestor’s failures when things happened by nature’s law, such is the way the world have always worked and would always work till the end of times, maybe it’s not them feeling superior to you but it is you who feel inferior to them?
The first Dutch settlers spoke Dutch. Afrikaans developed after
Makes sense
@@ruairijoseph Afrikaans is actually slang and many languages mixed together. Referred to sometimes as kitchen Dutch. Probably the best expressive language of all time.
If only the Afrikaaner settlers preserved Dutch...
@@TheSilmarallion Afrikaans is considered a slave language, as the slaves with the masters created a language that mixed with others. This created Afrikaans. Many of them don’t even know this about their history. Thank god I’m English.
@@carltomacruz9138 😂
Facts check : Afrikaans was the tongue of the slaves of Dutch settlers, the slaves created their own language and it originated in Africa. Afrikaans is an African language.
Lol wtf i am dutch and i can understand Afrikaans pretty well so it 's root is definitely Dutch...
Correct, however it remains the language of the Dutch slaves who refused to speak Dutch. Interesting fact, this language evolved twice from Dutch, once in Africa and once in Europe.
@@AnimalUniverse13 Ah i see what you mean, it is definitely more archaic compared to Dutch nowadays
Some time ago my wife and I visited Orania to discuss strawbale house construction with an architect resident there. Although we speak English we were welcomed with open arms and found it to be, safe, crime free and above all meticulously maintained and litter free. The people we spoke to just got on with what they were doing and were hard working and enterprising. If I raised the subject of politics, the conversation was tactfully steered away from the subject. White people are now the victims of a new apartheid in SA. It is called Black Economic Empowerment and Transformation and targets whites. Curiously, it has resulted in poor economic growth and soaring unemployment among black people- in short the exact opposite of what it is intended to achieve. Good on the people of Orania.
You're lying and you're an undercover racist. Have shame
Nope. It was a CODESSA negotiated settlements. And you can't say it targets whites because white own the economy of South Africa, in all forms you can think of. And this is because they were empowered. As a black person I'm not benefitting from all those things, majority we get our way through our experience and credentials. What you are talking about is only those who carry membership cards of the ruling party. The ruling party which is in place to protect capital interest. First negotiations for this country was between Anc elites and business elites. They made deals before the main negotiations. But we shouldn't call out black economic empowerment, which was largely driven by capital, as if there wasn't English Empowerment and later followed by Afrikaner Empowerment when they took one. Thinking was right everybody deserved to be empowered. English oppressed both blacks and Afrikaners put them in concentration camps. Later Afrikaner oppressed the blacks. After oppression every society comes our poor, disempowered and uneducated. It's a pity the BEE one is a scam. Made a few billionaires, somehow close to Anc and left out everybody else.
No that's not the problem; Its South Africa's confusing trade policy that I would think the post-apartheid government didn't touch and its hard to Invest in South Africa because of opaque regulations, not poor infrastructure. I wouldn't be surprised if the top brass of the govt. are getting filthy rich off Investing regulation free.
Yea they want your business but don't want certain people living there too!
So you guys were accepted because you were white? Because I thought you had to be Afrikaner to be accepted there😂real racist of them but nothing new..BEE doesn't only target white people it targets the minority. In reality Coloureds and Indians aren't really considered Black in this country.
never said they wanted apatheid back nor was they nostalgic of it, that's maked up. but I guess that's how journalists works.
It’s disgusting
Dude, they have literal statues of all the apartheid leaders.
You probably forgot the part where they refuse to allow black people to live there. You know, literally the first 15 seconds of the video.
@@CityWhisperer when you use google "The town residents state that anyone who defines themselves as an Afrikaner, and identifies with Afrikaner ethnicity/culture/language is welcome to live in Orania" Whats wrong with a place to preserve your culture ?
@@ivanalekseevich5574 so because it’s on their google page that means it’s real ??
Every town in Africa: 100% black.
French and Americans:...
Orania: 100% white.
French and Americans: no no, you can't do this. ⛔✋✖️
Not every town is black, like not every town in europe is white. Majority means of course it's not possible to fit people who do not exist outside your skin colour. What is happening here is not organic like the towns in europe and africa you speak of being 100% homogenic. This is an unorganic, and unnatural. It is forced. A land and a stronghold after the apartheid broke down given birth to specifically after the breakdown of apartheid. Black are NOT allowed to work or live or go to school here. This is pure racism, not "French and Americans: no no, you can't do this. ⛔✋✖️"
Try and see if it will work in europe or america - a black population create a nice town, schools a currency of their own and a flag under the nation they live - which says NO WHITES. Think of it the other way, using the golden rule - is this healthy for society if it goes unpunished? No go zones will appear where the native populations are not allowed... in their own ancestral homeland!
@@thegreatwesternbengalproje2863 Well, actually there's a project of creating a black only town in America and I don't think being this aggressive toward a minority is heathy in society - and they have a right to fight back.
@@luthor24127 Two wrongs doesn't make a right. Neither there nor there, you have to see the world in a bigger picture. Individuals act directly according to their environment unless the actively resist themselves. You have to see people as such, individuals under programme and forgive,
You say Fighting back - Fighting back against what?
@@thegreatwesternbengalproje2863 Dude what are you talking about, do you think we can never consider group behaviour? An Individual doesn't build a country. And you know exactly what I'm talking about, quit pretending racism only goes one way.
I cannot think of one place in the U.K. that has a white only town.
Do have white only towns anywhere in France?
It is also the safest town in the world
If they wanna be alone, so be it! I can’t be bothered 😕
Maybe but barring other peoples freedom of movement is immoral
Especially based on unchanging characteristics
Alone, where?
Alone, it's not the apartheid age. If people wanna move there who happen to be black they should be allowed.
You’ll come up with valid points 💯 especially the part where they won’t allow black people to enter, but also they still exercising their right not to let other people enter their city. in this case I would say their city is ‘their property’ and they are entitled to decide who enters and who doesn’t. Yes it is a very strange exercise but in my opinion it doesn’t interfere with lives of other South Africans. It is a debatable issue given the history of SA!
I Wonder what would happen if Chinese immigrants start moving to Australia and start telling the native Australians that they don’t want them in there communities and just want to live alone? pretty sure that would’t go well.
If you want to know who the good guys are, just look at the contrast between Orania and the rest of the “rainbow nation”.
Botswana is more successful than Orania 🤷🏼♂️
@@darkcyborgsuperman9521 Correct.
@@darkcyborgsuperman9521 - oh yeah?? If you want to make that type of absurd comparison, let’s compare crime rates between Orania & Botswana. Then, fatherless households??? Then we can discuss “success.”
@@Marksbrother still better than Orania
A bunch of nonsensical arguments in this comment section. The natives are not the bad guys; they are the oppressed. What do you think apartheid was?
And its also the only town in SA without crime. Ironic? 😄
Look at South african crime stats pre and post 1994, thank you.
Life is good in Orania (in the middle of nowhere, bothering no one, just living their lives).. Deal with it.
just like the native americans did. but we all know what happened.
😂😂😂
Orania aka Incest city 🤣
And we love it like that.
Nobody wants to be around racist people.
Their whiteness is going to decompose anyway.
Then they will be just souls.
Yep........seems like that is the problem.
Correction. Afrikaans is not the tongue of the first dutch settlers. It was in fact first spoken by the workers on the dutch farms and became known as kitchen dutch. If you are going to report news, then know your facts.
True.
You forgot to mention the Khoi and San influence and origins of Afrikaans as they were the ones who created the stable pidgin that could be used between the settlers and the indigenous peoples.
The African influence was later removed to try and present Afrikaans as a "pure" and white language. The Afrikaans movement is currently trying to address this.
not kitchen dutch but '"kaap Hollands"" cape Dutch
It’s all about changing the narrative this changing what people think
@@esrakarugaba5110
Zero crime. No wonder they want to keep things separate
Africa for the Africans
Get out of Europe. (and USA)
several hundred killed in the space of a few days in rioting across south africa last month, can you blame these people ?
Shut up
@Tapiwa Mubvumbi You shut up. If the beloved Mandela was still alive he would have a freakin heart attack and die again. I'm not for Apartheid, infact I hate and despise racism. But sadly the black government has been raping SA for many years now, you can't blame this on Apartheid anymore. Look at all the corruption, look at all the riots, look at all the deaths and then besides that implementing a BBE system for black empowerment to keep racism alive. This country that I live is a joke, we take jobs away from our people allowing foreigners from African countries to freely March in. We are giving the Chinese a massive hold and look even our railway has come to a freeze. So with all due respect, you shut up!
@@hamzaduplessis3576 the government should give back the land to the indigenous owners of the land. That’s what the cry of the people is about.
It's their town, leave them alone. That is freedom
A safe, flourishing and economically vibrant small town that incourages free enterprise. That is what a free people seek. Equality is most important and vital, equity of outcome is a farce.
Free...what is free here
mr man you will never be safe on African soil and property cos it doesn't belong to your ancestors...So go back to netherland where you can finally be safe..
Calling you an imbecile is an euphemism
@@abdallahyunus7538 Gibs?
They can't be mad when something they took/stole gets taken back. Don't like it? Tough
Exactly.
Why not go back to Europe?
Couldn't care less. If they wanna live on their own 🤷♂️ and be self sufficient then do it.
Yeah, I mean their not hurting anybody.
Forcing unwilling integration isn't really any different then forcing unwilling segregation.
As long as there isn't any laws on the cities books banning people for their race I see zero issue here.
As long as they're not hurting anyone that's fine by me... But if they're being rude to Africans then Africans are not going to take that as well as you think
@@yunarukami7943
Funny you should say that, because the rudeness is directed at them, the threats as well
@@stoneomountain2390 both sides are in the wrong... Don't be biased
@@yunarukami7943
As long as people can publicly call for the death of my genetic minority, I'll be biased against them.
As long as I'm considered an unemployable I'll be biased.
As long as charity is Denied to my minority group by law I'll be biased.
My family worked and died here for 300 years, a few were even slaves, yet I'm told to go back to Europe??
I'm not biased, I'm bitter.
Kind of confused about the point they were trying to make with comparing the national daily murder-rate with a couple of people moving to a small town.
Years back we could leave our car keys in the ignition and go to the shop no problem. Today, people are murdered for cellphones. That is why
@@janstrydom5565 People keep saying that but it isn't true, unless you are speaking specifically of south africa
I am, find some material on the looting that happened here in Kwazulu Natal a while back.
I can vouch for what he says too
@@bjorlam8201 lol you can't just say people always say this but it's not true. When it's literally true. 🤣
Good for them for preserving their culture.
In Africa?
They should preserve their culture in Europe. Europe needs them. The invasion, remember?
Better solution. They can always leave.
South africa literally recognises the right to self determination of the boers, they should have their own states so stop crying about a single town lmao
What is wrong with not wanting to mix??? Everyone has the right to preserve their genes.
"Diversity is a strength." :D
They can return to the Netherlands and preserve their blood in their homeland.
@@EviLSouL05 hope youre joking ?
@@Teutonick143 Hell yeah im joking.
Apartheid.
I see nothing wrong with this. As for the nostalgia, I'm sure they feel nostalgia for when the economy was better and the country was safer
safer only for whites you mean where anyone who wasn't white was disregarded thats why the economy was better
@@thepsychicpeach8425 the economy was better because the goverment focused on the economy not corruption and hand outs.
The economy can be even better without apartheid of we had the goverment to lead us.
@João Santiago Do you know what we call that kind of rhetoric in Europe?
USHUAIA TIERRA DEL FUEGO ARGENTINA
@João Santiago DONALD TRUMP GO HOME
Give the Boer people their own country within South Africa and I can guarantee that in 50 years it will be nr1 in whole Africa
This was literally what South Africa under apartheid was. Same with Rhodesia. First world countries in Africa, unheard of right? (((Someone))) didn't like that. Not. One. Bit.
We have the right to live with whom we choose. Do you critiquez Muslim only areas in the UK?
My question is: why they have to mix with other race?
They dont have to but they shouldnt avoid it on basis of race
For example if you think whites should be able to kick them out of thier towns do you then agree blacks should be able to kick them out of thier country
@Elvis Ameb i was asking a question of thr original post
And yes we are trying to intagrate those areas
Ironically this benifites both races. Whites from mixed schools tend to be beter free thinkers as well
@Elvis Ameb its not quite forcing
Its promoting. Forcing only happens when there is a severe imbalence do to a societal standard
Ie if indians were forced to live in the cities but are trying to move out
While i agree you dont force it you do make it illegal to prevent it as it natural occurs
Otherwise you end up with very tribal people
@Elvis Ameb
Ya but tribalism is the opposite of what you want for a nation its weak divisive bad for evolution overall and for each group
And bad for knowledge
Again im not for letting people live i where they want
But i am against preventing others from living somewhere on the basis of race
@Elvis Ameb khoisans are blacks some look mixed with Asians but majority are black
Very poor piece of journalism, unbalanced and lacks research. For a French channel I'm astounded they do not know their own history. Afrikaaners are not just descendants of Dutch but French also, Huguenot refugees. Afrikaans became the language of the first settlers that included those people. Before some fool comes out talking kak, I'm not an Afrikaaner and I'm not black. It seems Orania has become yet another refuge that these people have sought since they have become marginalised, so let them build a community where there is mutual respect for humanity. As someone who has lived in that part of the world this region is far more complex than this slanted piece by France 24.
Tf does their ancestry have to do with anything? They locked millions of black natives in open air prisons and held rights from them, that’s evil. Should Germans not demonize their Nazi ancestors? Should White Americans not be able to speak down on Confederates?
@@dbclass2969 Obviously you missed what the journalist had to say. Its about balance and getting facts right
Sean Rota I agree with the facts part but their ancestry isn’t relevant to the story. And this community isn’t marginalized, many White South Africans live their lives with very little social issues. They make the majority
of the income in the country and they own most businesses and land. There are very few White townships and the ones that exist are often due to choice.
@@dbclass2969 Ancestry may not be central to the story but if journalists are not called out on not doing proper research then what else are they going to be lazy about in such articles. No one is disputing where the majority of wealth lies, or the fact that apartheid oppressed black and coloured people. I protested against apartheid but that does not mean I support another form of racism.
Sean Rota
Your highly misinformed!you have eyes but can’t see!how do you end up having your own currency?it means you still want the old racist regime!
The trouble is that redistribution of land programmes simply doesnt work. Zimbabwe demonstrated that when prosperous farms were suddenly given away to people who had absolutely zero idea about running such large farms.
Many white farm owners returned later to discover that the crops they left behind had been allowed to rot in the ground, machinery had not been maintained so no longer worked, dairy cattle had largely all been slaughtered for food and property had been left to rack and ruin.
Black africans are subsistence farmers and sadly if farms are simply given to them from the whites then South Africa will end up a third world nation like so many others. Where the West see TV footage of starving children.
South Africa and Zimbabwe are two examples of countries that were once successful and prosperous but given over to the inexperienced africans results in them going to from bread baskets to dust bowls.
I've been to Orania a few times. They don't have anything against black people but against our countries goverment.
Holy shit. These news station was dumbing down genocide.
yeah khoi genocide by bantu zulus
If you are being attacked violently, if the lives of your loved ones are being threatened, if your own survival and security is threatened, you have every right in the world to carve out your own enclave, to live peacefully and prosperously. You should create your own autonomous state or territory where you can live peacefully and prosperously. I hope you succeed in your autonomous state.
Rene Resurreccion i dont think you understand why your comment is based on the fallacy that they are the “victims”
@@imliterallysostupid7781 They kill us boers for nothing, torture us and kill us because we are white
After apartheid*
Fiery Flag i want you to try an experiment, go colonize a wasps nest and see how long it lasts.
Go back to Europe. Give the land back to actual African people.
Long live the boers!!!🧡🤍💙
It's not apartheid if you're not discriminating against people in your society. It's just being separate.
Everyone outside the community is angry cause it's working.
@ray bon really bro,tell me what's working in this place,oh let me tell ya the only thing they got going on is "RACISM" what else?this is where racist white niggaz need to go and live,then leave the other white people who love blacks so much they even wana marry a black man😎.I can help you move to this place free if charge
@Kyle S. Rubbish talk,utterly nonsense
looks clean,safe and peaceful
Believe me it is very peaceful there and on top of it absolutely no crime since the towns existence.
Certainly unlike the rest of the country
@@lawsonhellu4718 There are many peaceful middle class places in South Africa. Not to mention small towns usually have low crime.
They didn't show the shanty houses many new settlers of the town live in.
@@zabadackakaHansCoche Except for the many shoddy houses that are there.
We need an Orania in America
Glad to see racists of all races coming together in this comments section.
It's hard to blame them for wanting to live and to thrive by themselves when you consider the absolute chaotic, cataclysmic mess the ANC has turned the rest of the country into. I say GOOD ON THEM!!
chaos they caused when they colonized a nation that didnt belong to them
@@Imola0 And I suppose you think that they would have been far better off had they not bee colonised ?
@@calvinpurdy2668
Far better off, from which point of view?
@@calvinpurdy2668 South Africa would have been FAR BETTER OFF if they were not colonized ... or colonized without the scourge and evil of the apartheid system.
@@mteokay1246 I totally agree with you.
It's a place of refuge, and they don't want Apartheid back. They didn't steal land from poor natives. There were almost no blacks when the Dutch arrive.
Yeahh... thats a lie you wrote in South African history books
Were you there?! When someone's been sleeping in your bed, don't be alarmed, because they didn't steal it. There just wasn't anyone around.
Afrikaans is not the tongue of the first Dutch settlers. Their tongue was Dutch. Afrikaans developed later.
Great place an island of civilisation and peace in a country of violent crime and corruption
🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 "civilisation "
Europe, please take your children.
Lol no. CLOSE THE BORDERS
@@chekobikerbmx Did I send them there? Did I send them there? Don't talk about things you don't know
stop it Sheesh stop being spiteful
@Francis David Martin I'm not white and I don't agree with the main comment. How can he say silly stuff like that. There's nothing wrong with whites in africa and blacks in Europe..we all just need to put differences aside and work together. Living in autarky never works
@@africa_explained_tv just keep quiet or say things that are practical. You're busy acting as if blacks are so productive and efficient and educated that as soon. as whites leave you'll make the best country ever. Just work together and stop killing each other
If they are happy there and in doing so they don't cause any trouble, let them live in peace
Alot of white people get killed and raped every week there beacause of racism. Without white people owning farms there africans would have no food at all. Just search for Jaak Madison he went there with EU commisoners.
They don't belong in Africa. Colonizers
@@socr4820 and blacks and browns belong in europe? i don't follow your logic
@@socr4820 then get out of the west and live in mommy Africa.
@@socr4820 Ah, by that logic all foreigners can leave Europe
Its funny is in it u came all the way from Europe act lke this on someone's land.....
Bantus migrated and took south Africa. They took khoisan land. Is it OK because they're black?
Yes but they brought that land legally off Zulu Kings. Read up on some historical facts and you realise it wasn’t stolen at all. Plus most of the land was barren land and they cultivated it and turned that land in profitable land to grow crops and breed cattle. There was nothing there before except bush land. The government is then giving that land to black South Africans who have no knowledge or skill in farming so within 6 months the farms are going bust and turning back into barren land. So all the S.A African government is doing is destroying its own economy in the long run. But that doesn’t matter just so as long as black people own the land right?!
Who's land? No one was living there until the whites built the nation called South Africa
@@ropaul8006
Khoisan were living there before whites came.
@@prayunceasingly2029 only in small areas. The boers moved into virginal lands. It was the zulu empire swinging down from the north that doomed the actual native population.
So mixing worked so well for you in France.