What are the aspirations of the residents Orania?
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- The eNCA election bus is in Orania in the Northern Cape today.
Anchor Xoli Mngambi speaks to Orania's political leadership, to tell us about the idea of going it alone and whether it’s worked. Courtesy #DStv403
There's no killing, stealing and destroying in Orania. It's a safe place to raise children and there's no corruption
Source?
Wish they will pack and move to Europe,where they belong
@@wherermytacos5903 It's not populated by the outraging, thieving and murdering people that populate the rest of SA.
@@EM2000SSbraai is better 🇿🇦
@@wherermytacos5903 Their demographics.
Tjey are Africans that's why they are called Afrikaaners. They have right to self determination and protection of culture and values. Long live Orania
No ,they are not Africans,Europeans who settled in Africa
@@EmmanuelBediako-yg8ne So what are the black americans? The Black latinos, like the black brazilian? The black colombians?
Do u know what an African even looks like yee du u, they ar not africans nor will they ever be idiot
@@EmmanuelBediako-yg8ne yeah 400 years ago.
Imagine living in a place with almost zero crime rate imagine letting your kids play outside and not being worried about there safety.
Imagine having an entire continent, and Australia, and america, and spreading yourself all over the globe and still feeling the need to live in a place surrounded by 92% of people that don't like you or want you there.
@@JimStanfield-zo2pz sorry man my Brian is in a mess today trying to get ready for an audit next week . For some reason I don't understand your comment.
But all iam saying is it would be really really nice to live in a peaceful place with very little crime and feel that I could let my child play outside with out having any fear of somthing fuxked up happening , and would be really nice to not have to select reverse and watch my garden gate close everyday and to leave my front gate open when I get home and not hear gun shots every 2nd night and to have my load shedding all the bloody time , thats all.
@@codyblade7872 right. My point is that there are plenty of places like that for you outside of Africa. A certain people have spread across the earth like a malignant cancer spreading their genes and their sensibilities for what is and what isnt safe. Odd that you don't go and live in one of those places instead of willingly living in a place that isn't safe for you.
@@codyblade7872 there's Canada, Australia, the USA, Europe, hell even Russia is all white. Seems like whites have a lot of places to go. Is there any place for anybody else? I don't think if you are white that there is any need for to live in a place where you feel unsafe if you don't want to. Whites are maybe 1 billion people and control maybe 90% of the Earth's surface and you still can't find any place to go. Interesting don't you think
@@codyblade7872 even central and south America are filled with your hybridized sons and daughters. The Hispanics in those countries are more white than anything else. Makes you wonder if the white genes are really all that safe. Apparently not when they are denied their white privileges
I am an Asian/ Indian descents. Some of my relatives went to South Africa, open business and they were targeted because they were considered racist. They stores were burned, two of their employees were killed by looters and one of their female employee who was a South African decent were raped during a riot in 2018. The Police department is corrupt and did not do any thing to help my relatives and the victim family. My relatives have moved back to India and they are still waiting for justices.
Maybe they were racist
Seen and heard similar stories in your native Indian .India is the rape capital of the world
That's South Africa for you.
Theres nothing wrong with this.we all have tribes areas.pls leave this people alone.
Thank you! I agree with you
Uyanya msunu kanyoko
@@sizwes1771 thanks .
@Black Power that day will never come.believe u me.
@Black Power point of correction.i m proudly black individual who believe on the spirit of ubuntu.
Poor interviewer, not a single question about crime, safety and
clean surroundings.
@Mikey Pie Also no crime where I live, and not a single Afrikaaner in sight. What now?
@Mikey Pie Not giving my location on the internet.
@Mikey Pie But it's really safe where I am. Never robbed or hijacked all my life. Only violence I have been exposed to was when i had to put some Afrikaans dude from another town in his place for hurling racial slurs at me.
@Mikey Pie Why would I lie? Even if I do have view points that conflict with yours, do i strike you as a liar?
I have never been robbed, mugged, threatened, hijacked, house break in, etc where I live. What, did you really think that areas such as mine don't exist? Well guess what, not all of us live in that hell hole known as the western cape.
and no, i won't even disclose the general location of my area or even the province. The internet is full of resourceful maniacs which is why i don't even use my real name on the internet.
and as for your comment about 50 murders everyday. Well, is there a country on earth (the size of South Africa or larger) that doesn't have any murders per day?
@Mikey Pie Both Johannesburg and Cape Town are cities. Cities by their nature are inherently more dangerous than towns or communities. That is why even in much "safer" countries such as the UK, you stil have a strong risk of your bike/car getting stolen or being stabbed in the street. So crime has little to do with skin colour like you initially tried to imply and more to do with the type of environments people live in and socio-economic conditions.
So towns and communities such as orania and where i live will always have little to no crime regardless of race if the socio economic circumstances are befitting. For example, where I live is predominantly middle class blacks, and the poorer ones are almost all self employed or working for the small businesses in my area. We have excellent service delivery excluding potholes that take a while to get attended to (but they do get fixed eventually). My only problem is that I'm going to have to move from here to one of those two hell holes (Johannesburg/Cape Town) because they are the only places with the biggest salary packages for junior software developers.
As a black South African who grew up in Northern KZN where there is no other ethnic groups other than Zulu ethnic group I don't see anything wrong with Orania but we just need to stop using the black and white card where is not needed and stop politicizing things that don't need politics.
Northern KZN there are other ethnic groups who live there. The question though is anyone else from other thnic groups allowed to live there too?
Man, you don't get it...huh... that these WHITE women interviewed here HAVE the FREEDOM of living ANYWHERE in South Africa HOWEVER a BLACK PERSON CANNOT do that... they CANNOT live anyway else in South AFrica and have the FREEDOM to live in ORANIA... come on man...
Does kzn have its own currency.
In every village there's always your type who doesn't see anything wrong
But you must remember friend a white person may move and reside there but no one can move being black
As a European, from European ancestors dating back several centuries, living in Europe : I would move as fast as possible into a European Orania... What a dream !!
I know right we need something like this is america
Why not just go and live in Europe though. Why live in Africa? Are whites really this dumb? You live in a 92% black country and hate blacks. Not that I care, but it seems like something only a crazy person would do
Enjoy it while it lasts. Orania can exists anywhere in Europe, just not Africa. Its a nice place they have there, it would be a shame if Malema was elected.
Same here
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Why? Why? Why? Even me in Namibia know why. Orania is a Civilized and crime free community, or are you blind of the level of crime in South Africa????
We will never allow segregation in Namibia, not in this new era!!!
@@eskrywer2759 If people don't want to improve in how they behave or in how they treat other people, why not separate your self from them??? Why do you think there is places like Elisenheim ?
If you can't intergrade in this modern age in the world with other tribes or cultures than you have a serious problem! There's no part of the world you will find what Afrikaners are looking for. And whether you like it or not,we in this modern Africa will not tolerate it or allow it!!!
@Mikey Pie Maybe you and those Afrikaners must buy a island
@@fixnamibia6221 for your information , black people live there along with whites and they are friendly to one another
Very poor interview
A few too many personal questions made it uncomfortable...
They agreed to do the interview and he is asking questions that I would ask
@@alicegauteng2358 You should apply for a job at CNN.
@@Zampan0 ha ha yes
as soon as Orania integrates it will dissolve...
...or be destroyed by leftist infiltration, either way, it's over.
Same thing could be said about South Africa as a whole 😉
That’s what happened when the whites arrived. Those terrorists should go back to Europe
My visit to Orania and exposure to a a few people living there, made me realize it's a place where the people who struggle are noticed and supported to get back on their feet.
A lifestyle that I will value.
@Linet Akinyi the comunity are growing. There are currently various institutions for training and higher education being built.
@Linet Akinyi Check out Bo Karoo opleiding.
They are all racist and we are coming for them. No peace
Why not go to Australia or Europe though. Why must you continue to live in Africa. Are you really such a pathological people. You whites behave like cancer cells, you grow until you infect and kill everything that isn't you. It's like you are a malignant cancer spreading all over the surface of the earth. What are you freaks.
Just wish i was Boer
Just leave these people alone. Their cultural community is intact. No corruption, theft, murder in their community. Price Water Cooper is an American company not South African company.
@Wonder Boy From now on don't expect the White population to save your asses when there are outbreaks diseases or natural disasters. Oh yeah stop using all technology developed by the White population. Let'ssee how you last. Call on the ANC and EFF instead.
@Wonder Boy The Chinese will not rescue you black asses. In fact, the hate black Africans.
@@BlackApache17.
And U don't?
@Wonder Boy you are absolutely correct: Africa is the land for Black or Nigro Race only, North and South America are for Red skin Race only, Asian lands are for Yellow skin Race only, Europe is for White North Men onli, Australia land is for Aboriginal people of Australia only and this was created by Milky Way Galaxy Central Control System. Anyone who is Violating the Milky Way Galaxy Law is going to be Punished in the next 5-10 years from today. Amen and Sun God with us!
To all you guys bitching and saying all these terrible things to one another...
As I see it MAN as in human beings has always been curious to learn or discover new things so new lands were one of them... We all have visited and taken over new places so whats the difference. So the people who came brought new technology and new ideas built towns then cities but the original people came to enjoy and love the money and understanding of gold diamonds oil as well as all the other technology the new people brought with them...so all thing where fine. Then as time went on the move to doing things for one's self started to come to the forefront but in SA the people didn't want self determination they wanted everything and all the things they didn't do for themselves...
Education being one of the only things you can't buy you have to earn by working hard for...and Africans say the whites have not let them be educated but in SA the government has had its hands on the controls for 25 years and still they burn schools and have no education system in place only by pushing into white schools can they get an education. I'm white and proud of it I work with children and I am glad to say it warms my heart to see young black African children integrating into SA education system so well.. The problem is its only a very small percentage because education has become very expensive... Again only because government has screwed up the economy but another reason the teachers and children in predominantly black areas are creating bad environment to work and learn... Videos of teaches hitting children on their head or children attacking teachers or burning down schools and university.... Soooo I think as long as black people don't want to be educated form as young as grade 5 to university level then nothing positive will come of SA it takes a village to raise a child grandparents, parents as well as government to stand together and teach how to live love and thrive for a country to flourish... Name calling never gets anyone anywhere! My Prayers are we in SA get back to Working hard at coming together to make one big Orania 👌😎
10 percent growth for the last 4years means that this community is doing something right ,the rest of south Africa should use orania as an example of what is possible if people come together and work hard to achieve common goals not just for themselves but for each other.
You really are an idiot 10% of 1000 is 100 people 100 people that makes it a lot easier to manage and develop growth. And you're impressed with 10% of a thousand
@@kabelomakgabo4976 you did not understand a word what is being said.
your Statement sounds as comprehensive as a Zuma Speech.
@@doppies2001 what don't I understand please white man elaborate more since my black brain can't comprehend. Are you saying that there more business and educational opportunities in a community that is populated by 1000 people or are you saying that a white only community is more likely to be successful and prosperous than the rest of this country. My white South African brother if you want a white only community there's a place it's called Europe where you don't have to worry about spotting a black man who you feel that is out to steal, Hurst or harm you.
@Jav van Kaal I am not bothered by a group of people that's seek to live in a specific way even developing their own community. but what bothers me is the exclusion of other races this gives me the impression of a supremacist right-wing group that could be existing from underneath. Remember my friend that in this modern-day we do not have tribalistic groups that exclude other races as I am aware of since I travel South Africa quite often and most African countries I've been to thay don't practice rejecting other ethnic groups because of the colour of their skin. Their racist notion of black men being incapable of a sound mind or existing harmoniously without any crime have you see the comments that have been posted by other Whiteman... because it's whites only there's no corruption, corruption is not of wealth my brother but corruption is of the mind itself. You are not born racist but you are taught how to be racist and in this community what is the notion and the message that they are putting out there?
@@kabelomakgabo4976 can I go stay in Nkandla?
I love their demeanor. So calm and happy.
The Afrikaaners still remind me of Dutch people even though they've been living in South Africa for hundreds of years, in terms of their demeanour.
Its the power of indoctrination. Cult.
@@ajs41 Should pack their bags and go back to where they came from.
their demeanor is very misleading
@@Famemusicoffical why? Because they don’t want to be oppressed by affirmative action anymore so they made their own space to live in peace? Unless they are directly causing physical harm to others, there’s no reason for YOU PEOPLE to be so butthurt about these people doing their own thing in peace.
It only bothers you because the status quo in South Africa is whites being oppressed and this community found a way to avoid that and live with some dignity
Peace, No Crime, No Vandalism, No Looting,No Hijacking, No Killing, And I Hope they are No Rapists...That is a place to live. ..ORANIA ! DO what you do best...SALUTE✌
Sound like a selfish mentality. Don’t want that for the rest of your country ? It will end up catching up with you all. No man is an island. This video put the spot light on it for the world to see.
Well said 👏
Why must you explain where you choose to live in South Africa, and what community you want to be apart of? This is not freedom, let them be who they want to, and embrace their culture
This is africa. Don't tell us about freedom. You've been spoonfed freedom your whole life and denied others their freedom because of their skin colour. You can forget about segregationist towns on this land. They are more then welcome to "embrace their culture", but they can forget about embracing elements that promote segregationist mentality and racial profiling. They can do that in Europe, not here.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior too late, they are already ding it.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Please not in Europe. We don't want them here.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior eally like I ask myself if some are normal. You're perfectly right
Freedom is when everyone is afforded the opportunity to live wer they want regardless of color.
Interviewer’s questions 👎🏿
Interviewer is racist, and tries to insist racism on the ladies...
How dare he ask her who she is going to vote for,they know these primitive fools well, smart woman
Those people at Oranja are doing good for themselves to date.
To date.......😂
Well done to the people of Orania. There's no reason for any people to be forced to live with all the racism from ANC or the problem which ANC causes for SA through their corruption.
Seems like there is no looting and corruption.
Its probably because the community will kick you out as everyone in that community is working towards something better not just for themselves but the entire community... They also not lazy and wait around doing nothing because a social grant payment is coming soon...
And what do you call 400 years of apartheid? civil
@Headtrix 1652 the same thing your racist oupa was smoking on the 6th April 1652.
@@kabelomakgabo4976 By you saying that just shows how brainwashed you are by political leaders! go read up on history through non bias resources before making foolish comments
@@pillarsofstrength9568 are you telling me that apartheid didn't happen slavery didn't happen and this is just all a figment of my imagination the problem with white people is that they are disgusted the actions of their forefathers but they don't want to acknowledge that their wealth and the enrichment that they have incured is because of apartheid
ive been there before. 7 years ago.. it was alot smaller then . but peaceful.. you can go fishing next to the river.. get pissed and pass out in top of your tent.. no one bothers u or steals ur stuff..
There is a river?
@@yannick245 the orange river.
Don't you want some peace sir? Why didn't you settle? 😀😀 highest school grade is grade 10 over there and poor Kids are subjected to unnecessary abuse due their parents superiority complex.
There was a story last of a teacher who was accused of raping school kids, inland police had to walk in and make an arrest. Is that peace you are referring to?
@@yannick245 yeah! A big one as well.
@@moniquedefranca5759 But artificial, right? I thought Orania is in the desert....
Big up to them! They are more organised. The rest should be taking lessons not hating on them.
I was in orania.. I know why they they love it there..
Nothing to do with racism.. It's a cultural enclave of peace and prosperity.. No crime.. Safe streets day and night.. Community support. Ethical principles... Clean organized and efficient systems. No high walls fences.. Everyone greets and smiles.
We all know why.. And many are envious of this great success.. Because they also know why.. 🤔
Everything you just said is just plain racist.
What do you mean with we all know why? It does sound racist what you are saying although I believe Orania is set on a Afrikaner only culture and not a white only kind of thing.
@@kholofelom6308 So wanting a crime free area is now racist Jeez!!
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@@WinstonEdgoose If it is not in YOUR country. They can go to the Netherlands and do the same thing. *KISS THE BOER!!!*
I understand cultural preservation, they don't want their community to be extinct. To be quite honest, Afrikaans only exists in South Africa so I do not see another place to do it. Their ancestors may come from Europe, but they also don't know the language they speak. I also get why people get offended by such, but i guess that's because of our history, if not, they wouldn't be offended. The people insisting on swearing and calling each other names should chill. Every one has a choice to make. They have made theirs in realisation that they want what they want and the change they want to see cannot be achieved in South Africa as a whole, so here comes Orania.
Every South African community should aspire to what Orania has going on.
Impossible to do as long as there are blacks.
I'm black and I know my people would kill me before we can do that. Intergration has made them dependent, that's why we can't own anything.
Dear Miss Lauren J.
You’re going to accomplish a lot more reaching out to people than writing them off. Don’t you want things to be better for you and your children? Really, And with all due respect.
why dont you go back to were whites come from and leave us alone.....
Afrikaaners came from South Africa
He should’ve won some kind of a “worst interviewer” of the year for this.
Forgive me, but I believe that exactly the opposite is true: The interviewer Xoli Mngambi is very good in his job. He is friendly, respectful to the young ladies interviewed, asking not offensive but thorough questions, a very good job as a journalist indeed. Wish we had more journalists like him. Congratulations!. I wish him and the young ladies well. Greetings and Gods' Blessings from Greece to the people living in South Africa and the area of Orania.
I am actually refering to the journalist talking to the ladies, is his name Oliso. Sorry for my mistaking the name of the interviewer
No I agree. I feel as though he was trying to gaslight an issue that they clearly don't want to talk about or don't feel strongly about. Let's me honest. What they want to hear is that they only want to be within a white/afrikaaner community. Based on our rights in this country we are free to live where we want without people questions why you want to live there.
@@komninoskamamis1098 I don't know what interview you were watching but if you don't have a problem with it then either you're really ignorant of what's going on here or you're in agreement with the racist African. You an anti white racist KK? I'll bet your middle name is Konstantine.
He had an agenda! Let them be.
LMAO at this guy. They love their community and they feel safe, comfortable and welcome there. He refused to accept that assertion of their reality.
In his mind everyone must suffer together to serve his delusion that all cultures and people are the same despite their temperament and principles. There is a reason why SA is in this predicament. I would not submit myself to being murdered and robbed just so I show others that I am not racist
What he actually refused to believe is that Orania being a whites only town had nothing to do in their decision to live there.
yeah cause it's a arrid place - I mean, imagine not having services like having to drive KM's to go to banks or to do anything. The place is tiny, in the middle of nowhere. Atleast the Orange river is close by, I'd go mad if I couldn't swim or cool off.
Internet connection, Deliveries etc. just think about it. Self-sustaining is one thing, but it's so small that no one in the modern society of SA even cares about them tbh.
The interviewer is a city slicker, so of course he's in disbelief.
Imagine not being able to order takeaways like KFC, Pizza, Chinese, Sushi etc. lmao just thinking about it I'm laughing at these people
@@diegomorata2885 there is a word for that
Envy
Its not whites only, its afrikaners only. Not any white person can go love there. Its to preserve culture.
The girl on the left has some very dark features, she obviously has some black blood in her heritage somewhere along the line. Which is evidence it's not about race, but culture.
Work ethic, ethics and morality alive and well.
indeed.
And dont forget whites only.
@@bottomendbliss Having an iq higher than 75 is helpful! That’s why they can even understand why it’s successful
Smh
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Small towns are always better, easy to maintain. Living in Joburg you always fear full for your life, someone wanting to kill you for a simple thing like a phone etc. I would rather live there than anywhere else in South Africa
Sometimes its good to be around people who are supporting one another. We need to learn and support one another. These girls are smart. We as communities should learn and create these models. Loved the interview.
high trust societies will always be envied by those looking in from less prosperous and cooperative places
Marco Alessandro Homogeneous societies are high trust. Heterogeneous societies are not. Diversity is not a strength, it's a weakness. The leftists champion racial diversity just to get white people to accept interracialism into the family to genocide them.
Envy leads to hate and war.
amen. and envy is a sin, if one is christian
I am interested to know if the staff of eNCA were ill treated during their visit? Was their "Moment of truth" bus stoned, did it get burned in an arson attack? .......as in the rest of South Africa.
Y don't u leave to Australia. It's all white no one to disturb u.
@@xolanibala79 why don't you leave for North Africa cause your gogo and ancestors is there
@@xolanibala79 dont you know that australia has many crime problems because they so nicely let in black africans into their country and they just seem to be addicted to crime. Leave the white man alone!
@@xolanibala79 i see black people killing blacks everyday...... baba...why is this so??? Hmmm?
@@xolanibala79 No, i don't think Xolani's gogo is in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya or Morocco. Idiocy should be a crime. Know your geography before you insult others.
May be they just want to stay alive.
Maybe they can go do that in Europe not on my ancestral land
@@koketsomawela1357 Maybe us whites aren't even the safest in many parts of Europe. Get your brothers and sister out of here.
@@Fuerwahrhalunke is "maybe" the operative word on your comment because you can't make such a damning statement when you are uncertain, yes bl@ck people people make Europe unsafe or no you are just grasping at straws,see neither response is vague it's straight forward,But you have a democracy why don't you vote on it because and this will come as a shock to you but i don't have the power to deport or banish people from Europe but full disclosure I will support your ethnic cl3@nsing spree
@@koketsomawela1357 theres like triple the amount of blacks in europe than africa, maybe we should do a trade
@@Fuerwahrhalunke yo I'm Zulu and k dont stand with. Koketso you can tell he is uneducated
They pay 40% taxes for which they get nothing in return but this man thinks they are not contributing???
Yeah, I was gonna say, I bet they're paying the govt a lot of money to be allowed to exist...
Well he dit ask stupid questions like stupid normally dus
Will always be envious.
Great angle in terms of talking to young Oranians to see why they choose to live there. However the interviewer was weak, he could have asked a variety of questions but he kept stressing the same question despite the poor girls having answered him. He's personal bias was revealing itself.
Urania is about white priveledge
Agreed. Was super annoying.
Tbf, the elephant in the room seemed unaddressed
People can build their own lives so long as they don't infringe other people's lives.
*This is how the colonization of South Africa started,the community grows and then recieves foreign aid and then they say we're stronger let's take the whole country.*
@@user-ry2qs7xf9k That's not how people operate today. The Afrikaner community is on its own, unlike the British they never had direct foreign aid. It's just a bunch of dutch/french/german settlers that was forced out of the cape's trade into other people's territory. They eventually found diamonds build a community, got forced out of that region, found gold built a community, then attempted to defend that region with what little they had. After a lot of politics and issues, the pure form of Afrikaners was reduced to a single town. They just want to uphold their culture, so leave them be.
@@resphantom
*Yes leave them be but are they going to leave others be,Europe and America are still ruling the World.*
@@user-ry2qs7xf9k Where is Europe and America falling into this?
@@resphantom
*Who's ruling the World?*
Diversity is beautiful when it is practiced voluntarily by all parties( like my household and friendships). However, when it is forced, it becomes a nightmare for everyone involved.
anything forced is evil,ask any slaves.
@Paul Meadowlark If that's your thing enjoy it...
Forced like when Dutch forced their presence in South Africa?
@@NoName-hg6cc Read South African History again, when the Dutch landed in the Cape, there were only Strandlopers in the Territory. So what's your point?
@@andrewdutoit9571 I've read it and no, South Africa was already populated, only because the beach were Dutch landed it wasn't doesn't give you the right to say it wasn't. You should STUDY History
The interviewer himself is the best reason to keep clear of the rest of SA society...........................
Indeed
Nehhh sy vibez was EINTLIK aggressive of is dit net ek maar nou Jaa...wat Kan mens sê..
@@blackkeys9673 aggressive Is you ouma's se rooi poes
Why? He was a victim of apartheid which was a slave system benefiting the whites. His Mum probably carried a white baby on her back scrubbing white peoples floors for 10 rand a day.
Orania, like the Amish and Quaker communities in the United States, which separated themselves from the common American society in order to preserve certain cultural and religious principles and values; have sought to separate themselves, not from South Africa, but from a corrupt, crime infested, hateful society, so that they might live in peace and quiet in their own space to upholds their own communal and religious values. However, having said all of that, it is important to note that their community continues to contribute to the South African economy through food security and professional expertise. This is their right! God bless Orania!
Africa for Africans
@@leroykhumalo3408 We are all africans if you go back far enough.
@@leroykhumalo3408 with that argument Europe for Europeans then eejit
@@willn3857 Hell yeah. You're that one left your nation and invaded us, remember.
@@willn3857 Leroy, you've hit the nail right on the head - during WW2, both Germany and Japan suffered the worst losses in the history of warfare - imagine what the cities must have looked like after two Japanese cities - Hiroshima and Nagasaki were totally wiped out after having been nuclear-bombed (I hope you realise what nuclear bombing does to destroy everything in its path and people suffer and die from radiation for years afterwards) and a German city, Dresden, was fire-bombed night after night by British and American air raids - a city that was peaceful and prosperous, but senselessly fire-bombed to destroy thousands of men, women and children who had no part in the war - but did the people of the Japanese and German cities sit down in sackcloth and heap ashes of self-pity on their heads? No way - these brave people pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, rolled up their sleeves and WORKED to rebuild their countries into the two most modern and industrialised cities in the world after WW2...
and here in our own country - after the Anglo Boer War when Britain decided they would occupy S.A. because of her mineral riches - the simple BOERE (that you despise so much) outran them all the time and the Brits decided the only way they could stop the BOERE from beating them, was to torch Boer farms with everything there - including livestock; send women and children to concentration camps where a recorded ± 26-thousand died under the most horrible circumstances - but after the war, because the BOERE had nothing to go back to, they worked on the roads, the railways and mines for something like 1/6d (± 15c) per day, and they rebuilt everything the British had destroyed and rebuilt S.A., Until 1976 South Africa was very highly developed, peaceful and respected, but since 1994 it has slid down a path into a cesspool of crime - murder, robbery, hijacking, rape and corruption of boundless levels - and who gets the blame? No further questions...
Must be a nice place👍, I dont see anything wrong with people protecting their culture and heritage...as long as it promotes peace and dosen't oppress any one in any way..The world has out grown racial segregation and judging people based on how they look ...nobody chose to be white or black...how about we start judging people based on who they are and not what u want them to be.. Honestly..I wouldn't mind visiting an orania theme park or something like that👌...it would be an awesome way for ppl to learn more about their culture...n not just view it as a threat to our democracy 🤦🏼♂️...dont you think?
True why can't they live the way they want they not harming anyone and have respect for athers
Mos Bles If there were more people like you in your country South Africa might become a tolerable place 👍❤️
Orania in arid desert and making a success...... seems some people in other areas can learn from them.
Excellent reporter and my take away on this interview and topic is why should people if they are brave enough to take the leap preserve their own heritage and culture providing they continue to be law abiding citizens. They don't deserve to be bullied and called racist. Let's be real ..........the tables in some instances have turned in a very troubling way. I pray that we can all make choices peacefully.
Shelley Solomon that reporter was not excellent. He was race baiting them and it failed. They have every right as South Africans to create a place where they can preserve their heritage, culture, food, language and way of life. Anyone that has a problem with that is the racist.
@@IslenoGutierrez lol you’ve got it all wrong
@@meandyourmom3083 Oh really, well why don’t you explain how I got it so wrong because from where I’m standing it looks oh so right how I explained it. Please, feel free to explain…I’m all ears…
What is wrong with wanting to stay in a town like Orania? Are there any white people living with King Goodwel Zwelitini in KZN or any whites staying and working at Nkandla? And what the hell is wrong with wanting to live with your own kind?
Apparently everything
@@crusader2.0_loading89 no it is only wrong for white people.
Suzi Suki Kuki There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to live among your own people. The Zulus and Vendas do it in Bantustans and nobody is questioning them. It's because they are racist to white people is why they are making this a big deal. Iranians is a beautiful thing, a success that the Bantus are jealous of.
Bravo julle 2 jong dames!! Julle weet wat julle wil hè,en is nie skaam om dit te sè nie.....
Toe ek jonk was,was ek ook 'n trotse Afrikaner!
Ek is nog steeds 'n Boerevrou,maar ongelukkig het my land so verander,dat ek nie meer trots is op wat my land nou is nie....
reap what you sow, boerslife nie?
Ai...ons kan almal stem die land is in die toilet....maar ten minste is ons almal saam in die k@k en nie net swart mense nie. Met al die strond is daar nog veel meer geleenthede en regte vir almal - ALMAL, nie net 'n hand vol mense nie. Mqak wat julle wil, ons gaan nie terug nie & ons sal nooit weer soos diere behandel word nie!
Jy is ook welkom om terug na jou voor Vaders se plek na toe te gaan....hiedie is Afrika....die land was gesteel van ons mense af sodat julle boere en boer vrouens kon word. Sê maar met!
Het is wel grappig, ik kan jullie vrij goed verstaan :-) Veel succes en groeten uit Nederland
Same aspirations as any other person but without having to worry about crime.
Wow ENCA ...why dont you use qualified journalist to do your interviews...this guy really never had a clue...it could have been quite informative if the chap new the correct questions to ask CRIME
The dick head doing the interview is a twat.
Could this biased interviewer attempt to steer the interview anymore? Almost gets testy for not getting the answers he wants...... total race baiting fail.....
It's a shame how careful these girls have to answer the questions as the interviewer seem to find fault in a growing and thriving community.
A racist community🚮 LET THEM ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS CAREFULLY
This is a culture thing, not a skin color thing. I'm Canadian and wouldn't be allowed to live there.
they literally do not allow people there because they are black
Can you just leave those people in peace !!!FFS
not here, NOT IN AFRICA!!! they should take their fart faces that are allergic to indigenous Africans and canoe themselves back to wherever their ancestors came from. You cannot come all the way from Europe to Africa to insult the Africans with your white supremacy shit.
They are happy to want want to live in this community, and see it grow why are you looking for *Something * that has the *R* factor Xoli. You appear to be more of an interrogator, not an interview er today at Orania. 😡.
@@W.GlobalAffairs that is petty and childish. Why does a tiny community of people threaten you so much. Maybe showing you how inadequate you actually are??
@@kimdecsi8753, That's the point am pointing out, Kim - just because YOU say a person is not human enough, it does not mean they are not human. And if you think Africans are not human, what are you doing in their continent, go to your home continent or country where you have other humans like you, don come to Africa and call Africans inadequate and attempt to create your own mini separate country in a country. if you feel we are inadequate, pack your shit and leave the country, don insult us with your 'holier than thou' tendencies because there is no place for that in Africa.
@@W.GlobalAffairs where in God's name did I say you are not human. Ugh what's the point of arguing with you you obviously have a huge chip on your shoulder.
wow I am so proud of the boere people, they realize that the South African governance is bad and they building themselves up , I wish as black people stop trying to label them as racists and do the same
Exactly
Amen
Sbuyiselo Sandile misery likes company
But do you wanna discuss why the governance is bad ? You think it's happening in a vacum? Even if black people wanted to, who do you think is in control of the resources? Some of you are air heads that can't think beyond your noses
And would you feel the same way if Nigerians came to South Africa, stole our resources to build a community and say they don't want any black South Africans? Or do you only know how to stand up to black people only ?
"We set an example for other communities". It couldn't have been said better. The blacks and other races should learn instead of being offended by people trying to make their lives better and saner.
Learn frm what exactly.....Africans-blacks ND other races Have their way of living but these SAME PEOPLE ancestors destroyed it and now we need to learn frm them
What exactly was that way of living? Mud huts, tribal warfare, slavery and dying at 30?
Go look at the violent crime stats by race to see what they need to learn. Go look at the poverty rates. The education rates. What each people have invented.@@glamagal08
@heldinahtmlhell yea exactly what I thought u would say.....im not going any further with u....cause the nonsense u just wrote shows exactly where your perspective is.....can't argue with misinformation or a fool.
@glamagal08 if what you got from my comment is that the way of living of the people of Orania is somehow superior is all ways, then you're wrong. Nobody is superior, BUT some people are just getting some things right. We should learn from it. We should stop acting like victims so that we can reach our full potential. Are we the only continent that went through colonialism? How long would we keep playing the card of victimhood?
We should be honest enough to identify a positive aspect of a people.
Where is the misinformation? Are you living like primitive black Africans or like civilised European whites? Do you live in a mud hut with no sewage system or a warm, insulated house with electricity, gas and plumbing?
If that way of living is so great, why aren't you living like that?@@glamagal08
I appreciate you digging deep to find out the true color of people’s heart. May God change our hearts and renew our mind. May God deliver us!
I’m not an Afrikaner, but I respect what these people are doing. I hope they are successful in building a successful and strong community. I just wish people would let them get on with it and stop trying to draw out sinister motives for their actions.
but you white too
Interesting!
My black brothers don' t like the truth... they're more into the loot, burn, murder and steal business... the ones who are so entitled to everything and yet they have not work 1 days hard labour because their leaders keep them in poverty. They blame the whiteman for all their failures because accountability is up to their leaders. The SASSA Generation is in for a rude awakening...
@@cjb514 I agree with you. 👍🏻
@@cjb514just not in Africa
To answer the interviewers question. Orania is CIvilized, crime free, successful and high morality. There is NO FUTURE for anyone in South Africa.
Speak for yorself lady, there's definitely a future for me.
Speak for yourself, I have a bright future here. No place for racism in this country
[♡] unless they turn away from their wicked ways - there're all doomed
Can't wait for Malema to expropriate it.
@@fancyleelee1992 [♡] Malema is like a ship without a rudder, all looks and going nowhere. Drifting around - large as life, without a purpose
Leave them at peace, please, they are not bothering us
😅😂🤣😂😂😂
Interviewee:" I see a lot of business starting up here" / Interviewer:" Oh, all right, let's move on". Lol, anyone seeing a hidden agenda here.
Alastair anyone seeing that you’re afrikaans? 👀
@@karabomokoena7841 With a name like Alastair? Just been seeing how this country is been run to the ground over the last few decades. The problem with putting people in charge who are prepared to use terrorism to achieve their goals is that have no morals and will have no problem stealing.
It's not a "hidden" agenda
@@karabomokoena7841 yessss lol
He moved on to talk to the other guest. People always think there's a hidden agenda in every interview.
WTF does this interviewer NOT understand about the girl on the left? It's her personal right to return back to her hometown after finishing studying!
That’s true. It’s just so sad that a town like this only accepts white people. Btw, nice to see another Chelsea fan!!!
@@oliverqueen5883 It's a private community living on private land. One big family. They were living in a racist anti white country where even the goverment that they gave over was weaponized against them much like Nazi Germany did to the jews. There is a slow rolling/frog boiling GENOCIDE going on there right NOW. The Afrikaners are persecuted in the country that THEY built. Persecuted by an invading army of blacks from the north that went through a HUGE population explosion BECAUSE of the food an medical care provided by the whites. I mean I can go on all week with history that shows and shames this racism of the blacks. They hate because they see the differences and feel inferior. That's on them. NOT the fault of the white folks. As soon as blacks are admitted it's only a matter of a short amount of time before it's just like everywhere else in that country and they KNOW this. (Reversion to the mean %)Why won't you admit it too, it's REALITY. Reality and truth don't give a shit about how we feel. They need to quit taking it out on good people but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Reality. It is what it is. We are what we are.
This enca guy is so condecending in his way...he seems to feel he always knows better! And always pushing the racial card...
@Mikey Pie he goes to Orania ...you would think he would apply his " professionalism" and ask more about Orania and what they have achieved. I think he has a chip on his shoulder
Makes me so mad...I'm totally dissapointed , this is so not the way to go about it .
It's 2019 can't you see how ridiculous orania is.
Why do they have to justify their existence. Leave them be!!
Fucken racist people nxaaaa
These girls are gorgeous. Any chance Orania wants Flemish guys to come and live there ;)
Ons praat al amper dieselfde taal, maar vir hierdie pragtige meisies sal ek my bes doen om regtig Afrikaans te praat.
Of ga naar polen. Was daar onlangs voor enkele weken. Geen enkele zwarte of gekleurde gezien. Hemel op aarde als je vanuit het culture verrijkte belgie komt
The United Nations charter should protect this land. In accordance with their culture, it is legally supposed to be protected if Orania asks for it.
The United Nations should be disbanded.
Racists defending Orania is comical
Naw-they gotta go. This is our land not for yt people. We are evicting them
@@LoeEli926 Stop using our technology then, stupid savage. And put down the booze.
@@meandyourmom3083 I bet you are a RACIST YOURSELF. It takes one to know ONE!!!!!! Damn HYPOCRITE.
Nothing wrong. Infact black South Africans can learn a lot from this. There is a lot of economic prosperity when you make your own community. Where your supermarkets, restaurants and most products are locally made. keeping the money in the community. Black people love to shop at Woolworths and pickpay, restaurants that celebrate other cultures. Anything they have no ownership they love.thats why as a group they remain poor.
I totally agree with you, but Orania arrangement is racist in nature
@@romeoshavhani2592 I can understand why you say that. Thats the rhetoric taught in schools and popular media. You say Orania arrangement is racist. So forcing cultures on each other is the solution. People need to choose to come together not forced by policy. Other cultures need to start celebrating their culture, their history, their looks. Especially in SA where the English and Dutch tribes destroyed the local cultures.
@@romeoshavhani2592 its not rascist....there are black people living there to and are welcome there
@@pariscongo666 problem is not choosing to come together, but choosing who can come in and who can't. Surely you can see the problem with that slippery slope?
@@macdonaldkuchocha2834 the act of coming together based on race, religion or education is already exclusionary i.e determines who can come in or out. I don't see a problem, I see how they relate.
BLF: whites not allowed-Fine. Kwa-zulu Natal Homeland for Zulus-Fine. Orania-Not fine.
Graeme Guerrilla you know what I have no problem with this. I wish the whole of SA would isolate themselves from the government and become self sufficient because they’re robbing everybody.
But KZN is the home of everyone, Zulus, whites, Indians.
@@africanandproud6792 not in the many places in the world. People live in their own culture when they are given a choice. Multiculturalism is forced on people. Most of KZN is Black area only like parts of London are also Black only
@@africanandproud6792 not all the places.I wished to stay in brautiful Nkandla...not allowed
Its so true, i am a black South African and have lived most of my life in Soweto. White South Africans are welcone to live anywhere in South Africa, yes even in Soweto. In fact, a friend of mine (a white guy) rented a house in Soweto and lived there and the locals loved him. Thats the thing about us blacks we are by nature not racist. We love all people. My neighbours are white, i love them like i love all my fellow South Africans. Its sad the same cannot be said about everyone. I wish we could all realize that the Colour of your skin does not make anyone more human than others. Deep down inside we are all the same, made in the image of God who is neither black nor white.
Hello from Australia 🇦🇺 I would love to visit this place orania the people seem very nice. May god bless your community and may you grow and continue to be prosperous and blessed.
Afrikaner’s have great manners and hospitality, which presents a superficial kindness. They are some of the most productive farmers in the world, as they have mastered it for decades. It would be a conservative shock for an Aussie. They’re Calvinists, and if you’re a right wing anti gay type it would suit you. They receive funding from extreme right wing groups in America.
From an ex South African living in Australia.
@@annanudniduck more than Calvinists matey, they're neo-nazi a la Verwoerd. G'day from Australia mate 🇦🇺.
nice to who
are you nice to aboriginals
Bringing hope to a nation, congratulations may you continue growing beyond the 10 per cent.
God bless you guys.
Go to hell
Live and let live, I love the home lands of the Zulu, to know the culture is kept alive. I hope the Afrikaner culture can also be preserved and appreciated.
Don't COMPARE yourselves with Zulus, you are not "black" ...
@@beholdhand854 but she did not compare himself with Zulu people read carefully goodness can we just move away from racial issues. @Raymond Dunne i agree with you the Afrikaner culture is also a very beautiful culture and should too be kept alive with all the other cultures we preserve in our beautiful country with a lot of underlying issues that keep dividing us
@@beholdhand854 shut up
True "live and let live"
@@beholdhand854 that's not what he said🤦🏿♂️
Orania is representative of a community taking responsibility for themselves and being the change that they want to be, instead of waiting for the government to do something. Considering that South Africa is the only country in the world that has affirmative action laws that favour the majority perhaps situations like Orania are a logical conclusion. Orania are involved in some projects that are advising other black African communities on how they can also achieve the same level of self sufficiency as they have. I think generally that regardless of race, these types of communities will become more prevalent in the face of ever growing political incompetence/ irrelevance worldwide.
If you hate Africans so much, how about the leave Africa. Go back to Europe, I'm sure there are white only communities there. If you don't like how we run things than leave
Go back to the Netherlands...
@@noziphotshabalala5018 ???? Who said anything about hating Africans??? I grew up and lived in Africa for 30 yrs. One of the reasons apartheid in South Africa managed to endure for so long is because of the level of in fighting amongst all the different tribes. It's even worse now that other people from other African countries are coming in.
Actually I do live in Europe now and it's OK. I read an article in the local newspaper the other day by a South African woman saying how refreshing it was to walk into a shop and not be treated like a thief. I live in the south of France.
What have you done to make the world a better place?
We are all human and our species may evolve but as long as we fight amongst ourselves we continue as primates.
@@danielbtwd They hate Africans in their own country. They should go back to Europe. Simple as that.
I’m African American i pay attention very well I’m educated I also read a lot I love history real history. It’s nothing wrong with white SA having there own community just like Chinese people have china town in so many countries I can’t keep up I’ll do research on that later. But nobody has the right to say a certain group of people cannot live or visit any place if it’s True that white SA are claiming this as their land with their own personal flag and blacks or any other race of people aren’t allowed If this is the case these people should be labeled as a racist it’s discrimination it’s segregation which is illegal. I have all the laws of SA and national laws human rights laws .. eff already proved they have the power to end this acts
This journalist can teach many about professionalism.
He knows that if he speaks real truth, white people start being defensive coz they hate the truth so he has to sugar coat everything
Ultimately it's about energy and vibration. Productive positive people have a higher vibe than people who are resentful, jealous, annoyed, anger... etc... The judgement in his voice in his off the charts.....
It's a less expensive white enclave than the places the reporter and the politicians live in, in Joburg, Stellenbosch and Pretoria.
Good point, super!
Oh my word. I like the way Annamarie thinks
What a good journalist 👌🏻well done Sir.
In what life . . . 0% journalism, 100% hate-mongering
What??????
Sarcasm my friends sarcasm..
Delightful young ladies. They are wholesome and happy.
The interviewer desperately wants them to be negative about Orania.
I did not see it that way at all. He was doing his job. I think he is a good man, educated and presented well. 🥂🥂🥂❤️😇🙏
And free of racist and dangerous BEE - Black Economic Empowerment.
You live there ?
Common with who ? My question was whether you live there?
@Mikey Pie BEE is not a racist policy you are just a stupid punk to think like that
are you also an inbred?
@Mikey Pie yes they can be racist
South Africa is a nation of nations. The Balkanization of South Africa is perhaps in the best interest of all its people.
History is clear about the geographics and demo graphics of South Africa before the British went to war with the Boers. In 1899.
The idea of the new South Africa was to have a self governing state setup with a federal government over all the states..(similar to USA).
Anc wanted nothing of that.
He wanted the ANC to rule over every one.
That's why we ended up with provinces (to keep the NP happy) .
The ANC thought that by relocating xhosas from the eastern cape into the Western cape they would easily one the province based on numbers. Well it worked in the beginning.
We should have been a united States setup. (Or even like Switzerland)
jonathan sawyer You know why it's in the best interests? Because racial diversity does not work.
A clean and well run town. Why not go there. I would.
I'm thinking of going there, and starting a life. I just don't know if they will accept me for who I am
@@mylittlescienceprojectare you non-white???
Are you an afrikaan white cause thats only how they accept you.
The interviewer asked the best questions I believe. He gave them lots of opportunities to explain to the people who are against this and their decision which is nice and they explained it well especially at 9:58.. is crime free. Every body is crying out for a better place.
Also if you think about it, they are a private comunity and don't owe anyone an explanation for the way they want to live. People in this world are just too nosie, this has always been a problem. We should all just live and let live.
These people want to live apart and at peace! Leave them alone! Stop trying to FORCE different groups of people together!
if they want live apart then live the country.
good for you oranias, keep it up I have been there twice nice kul place, never allow criminals like yena lo xoli to take you of direction, he's there to push a certain agenda which is failure, hold tight and keep it up I like people who stand for what is good for them 😜😜😜😜😜
A white man's cronny wena neh. This aint about crime but hate of a black man. Whites never loved us hence apartheid, segregation (whites only toilets, shops, transport etc. Now their hiding behind a crime issue.
@@dumisanimavimbela1394 blacks don't love us either so whats your point?
@@dumisanimavimbela1394 Do you blame whites for this? 'kill the Boer', 'Kill their children,kill their cats,kill their dogs'. What would you do under those circumstances?
@@MrSilverbirch.
U pack your guns & your apartheid asses & take them back home, where u came from.
@@Nyamhazha born and raised in SA baby 5 generations... we are not going anywhere.
Good piece eNCA, almost entirely unbiased.
dude it was 100% biased. lol
@@vincentjansevanrensburg2378 I know man, I was probably trying to be sarcastic or ironic or something. It was a few years ago and I don't feel like watching the whole thing again to remember, lol. But anyway, mainstream media is always biased. Peace brother!
Good luck to Afrikaaners! Glory to independent Orania!
Leave them alone for God's sake. Their success should be an example to cities and towns all over the country ESPECIALLY the townships
This is breathtakingly awkward to watch
Yea that interviewer was dog shit
Poor poor poor interview. He is answering for his guests. How can you ask rhotorical questions in an interview?
A Bastion of Light in this World.
God Bless Orania!
''This is how we do it, It works'' I love this. Let them be guys.
They can go back to the Netherlands and do it. *KISS THE BOER!!!*
@@shakanawao5950 SASSA Generation... so entitled... every time I see that last part of KISS THE BOER... I get chills. The unknown animal to my God. You look for a leader, those Boere are led by a force we'll (as blacks) never be able to understand. It's all around them, it's within them. They don't fear nothing and as far as I can see they live in peace... You and brother Malema should swallow your words.
I love how everyone jumps on Orania and no one is in Lesotho asking them why they are still a separate country!?!
huh??
@@kissmlungu7883 Im not sure if u dont know what Lesotho is???? Would u care to explain the huh???
@@gillianlello7325 you dont make sense
@@kissmlungu7883 and im asking u why i dont make sense to u?!
@@gillianlello7325 Lesotho has White people and it's not closed shop based on skin colour. I'm a Mosotho of South Africa and Lesotho is also my home. It's a country officially in writing and borders only but not in reality.
Is there a place for me there please?
Definitely! Are you an Afrikaner?
@@thomasteunter3522 My dad's side is, but does my mom's English side mean I'm unwelcome?
@@Kerrigan.le.Awesome Not at all there are few people of British blood there.
@@thefaithful5218 I'm relieved to hear that, especially after the day I've had.... Might be joining you around the braai sooner rather than later :) PS I make awesome yummy things to add like my famous cheesy garlic rolls and stuffed potatoes!
There's nothing wrong for those who want to isolate themselves from others. If they feel good about it well what's the matter🤨
Give them self determination
There is noting wrong with wanting to be with your in group or having in group preferences. We after all chose who to be friends with!
Says a white man 🤣
People who tell you different are gaslighting you for nefarious purpose.
😂😅😂🤣
A succesful excellent and prosperous self sufficient community. Free of crime and corruption.
Corruption is an inevitability of any hierarchy. Corruption is not a black or white thing, Rome had corruption. Just saying
Not for long
Wanting to recreate the old apartheid regime?? NEVER! It won't last!
@@siobhanclarke6008 lol they are a town of 1600 people. They can't do anything. Leave them alone.
Lies
Wow well spoken and great questions that ask questions that are uncomfortable bt without isolating the ladies....
This was broadcast in 2019, and the interviewer said that the population was only about 1,600. From what I read now in 2023, the number of residents has increased to about 3,000. Can anyone give me an "official" estimate of Orania's population at the present time?
Wow ... that was a failed Turkey shoot. Lol
The interview tried hard to hide his feelings about such a place but body language doesnt lie.
I firmly wish only good things for other races but if whites are pushed into a situation where they are politically forced into a seperatist situation then nobody else can complain.
Every human has a right to live in safety ... not because the constitution says so but because the right exists no matter who controls the gears of the machine.
Personally I feel that a large percentage of the population inclusive of all races have becomed decayed beyond the point of redemption and at some point this will come to a sudden and violent end.
Aafter that South Africa will be exposed in all its brutal glory and no amount of washing will take the blood off its hands.
Lets hope that Im wrong.
Well said! One thing I want to point out is that Orania has virtually no crime, it’s clean, it’s facilities are always working - unlike in SA in general - and everyone is friendly. I was hoping the interviewees would mention that, but they didn’t. I also want to mention that there are parts of South Africa where whites cannot live. It’s been that way for a long time. What’s different between those areas not wanting whites, and Orania wanting to protect Afrikaans culture? The difference in that is that those black-only areas are very verbal in that they do NOT allow whites. Orania isn’t “anti-black”, it’s just wanting to preserve their culture. It’s a doublestandard in SA.
@philip ocharo maybe they have no strong financial support.
I like the Orania movement. This is the future for white people in SA. Maybe then can we help our own jobless and squatting brothers and sisters? Charity starts at home, after all, and one must help one's own people first.
10% growth and he still wants to know why. They are building their own solar plant for power independence. Looks pretty good to me.
What are the people of Orania have to get when they reunite with rest of South Africa?They are doing well
They created this to get the h away from them!