Why Sam chose the Old Gods | Jon 6 | Gods of Westeros | A Game of Thrones | A Song of Ice and Fire
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- On Todays Episode of The Obsidian Nights Podcast where we go thru A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin Chapter by Chapter starting with the First book A Game of Thrones we are covering Jon 6! In this chapter Samwell Tarly learns he is passing out of training and Jon Snow and Samwell and their freinds Take the Black and officially join the Nights Watch. Samwell forsakes the New Gods for the Old, We discuss Gods, The Wall, Sam, Jon Snow and Ghost!
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Sam's appeal to Jon about performing humble duties to prepare for becoming the future Lord Commander reminds me so much of Varys's soliloquy about fAegon being groomed for kingship via humble beginnings in the Dance epilogue.
I think that's the epilogue where uncle Kevan happens but you're right same definitely same vibes
@@alibby82991 Yes, epilogue. I apologize. I'm working with a migraine brain today and sometimes say the wrong words lol. Although I will say, I think Varys was talking to someone else as much as he was talking to Kevan...
@@ashleyofnaath it was Varys pycelle and kevan and the “little birds” it could be like an Easter egg tho I could those statements being directed towards anybody coming for what they worked for dany dorne bran the broken lol but who do you think he was talking to??
@@alibby82991 Bloodraven. The white raven from the Citadel was also in Pycelle's office. Once Varys shoots Kevan, we're told something like the raven took flight; flew up; something to that effect. But we aren't told specifically if the raven flew out of the room. Even if it did, the window was wide open, so I could see Bloodraven just having it hover in circles beneath or above listening to everything.
@@ashleyofnaath you’re right!! I see!! So that would mean that Varys knows way way more than just the whispers of Westeros. Maybe even eluding to some type of cohort with the lord of light, because he was basically a sacrifice and the lord of light ((probably)) spoke more to him personally than the priest who cut him!! He hasn’t revealed to us what the “voice in the flames” said to him! So he could very well know some of the Ins and outs of the weirwood network and about bloodraven his blood and his destiny ( or sentence ) at the wall.
"At the night's watch you start a new life, the old one forgotten" ... unless you're a ser or lord, then you get to keep that title and the status that comes with it.
They called Jon Lord Snow mockingly, and he hated it.
And yet, as the son of a great lord he was fast tracked through the ranks to immediately be groomed for command.
@@Valkanna.Nublet he did show good leadership skills though.
@@Valkanna.Nublet you don't lose your past life's skills. a tanner would be a tanner in the night's watch, most like.
You and talking thrones are the reason I’m still interested in the GOT series. Thank you
Me too!!
you surely wanna checkout preston's channel then, I'm sure you'lll love it
Definitely keeps the juice 🥤
OMG have y'all seen his new like how it should've ended series it's so good!! I be listening like an audio book I'm the tub and all!!
@@alibby82991 YES & I’m LOVING it!!!!
10:52 "it seems like an abomination" I seriously laughed out loud because you have an AMAZING point with that
Jon’s temper being pointed out was interesting... “when a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin in the air and the world hold its breath...” Let’s see who’s who.
But Jon is only half Targeryan. Not born of incest, so he really doesn't fall under that.
@@shakeemdiggz2354 There were times when Targaryen kings married ladies of Arryn, Martell, Blackwood, Velaryon, Hightower, Rogare, Penrose, Dayne?
@@shakeemdiggz2354 true, but I still like the theory though. With Jon being a brood and dying afterward... nothing good can come from it.
@@shakeemdiggz2354 Aeron Brightflame was half-Targaryen too (his mother was a Dayne), and he was batshit insane.
@@bogus3563 But far apart, and it seems like the process was almost selective breeding.....hmmmm? Bloodraven?
Sam falls into his courage, while Jon steps into his. Both men are courageous. Also, Sam is not ready to leave his religious beliefs, just wants to change his course in life. The New Gods heard him and answered his prayers thru elimination... Craster, White Walker, His Dad and brother...
I been feeling down for about a year almost, been working to much during the pandemic. But I'm going back to myself and back to game of thrones content after a slump. Work is draining me but is my new reality I just have to figure out how to acomodate my gueekness into my life again xD
I'm so happy for your videos tho, hours of content that I have to watch.... your livestream the other day was amazing
I also feel like why alot of people are taking the Old Gods faith is the lack of a judgemental clergy. Like with the Seven its all about ritual ceremony and the like and seems to put people in very clear spots in society. With the Old Gods faith it is more informal Ned Stark prays to the Weirwood in much the same way a regular person from the Wolfswood might. There is no need for a temple just a heart tree and barring that your gods are in the water in the wind and the very dirt beneath you, how could they not hear your prayers? Not only is that very beautiful and I believe appealing, magic is quite literally coming back and as you guys mentioned I believe that has something to do with people converting as well.
Yay!!! Love me some Obsidian Nights!!! Seriously look forward to this every week! Thank you again GrayArea for your hard work and dedication. You are very much appreciated!!!
For real, Lady Grey Area, your insightful observations and great guests have me excited about WoW again.
I think Aemon realizes the value of Jon, when Jon gives him the example of the chain with its different links, that metaphor said as an argument by Jon is very well elaborated. Also the relationship of the Stark house with the Night's Watch. Jon is smart, then we will see when he convinces Stannis to change his tactic in A Dance with Dragons.
Great Podcast Gray. Your guest was awesome ❤️
No Dickon slander, we stan Dickon.
32:55 There's a scene in A Storm of Swords, where Jon is practicing in the yard and he starts having hallucinations about Winterfell and Catelyn while violently punching another guy. If Jon is a Targaryen in the books, this might be a sign of Targryen madness on him.
In my mind, I see Jon becoming like Brandon the Builder, in other words, he will reestablish house Targaryen, but...
It won't be the same house that Daenerys comes from, but a rather new house that acts as a hybrid between houses Stark and Targaryen.
You know.... Winterfell didn't have a Sept until Ned built one for Cat. I'm thinking that was a significant development and people are overlooking it. If honoring the old Gods was part of the pact, maybe building a Sept at Winterfell was a major crack in the dam that was keeping the others at bey.
Jeor Mormont: "You came to us outlaws," he began, "poachers, rapers, debtors, killers, and thieves...It makes no matter. All that is past now..."
This is jumping forward a bit, but Jeor's speech gives me hope that Stannis will permit Theon to take the black rather than sacrifice him in TWOW. I know Stannis is abjectly just; that executing Theon is as much a political move as it is dispensing justice, but still...If Theon were to ask to take the black, I believe Stannis would honor that request because Ned would have. He can't attempt to win the northmen to his cause by delivering them justice in Ned's name and simultaneously stomp on principles Ned upheld.
Furthermore, I'm a big proponent of Jon unwillingly reuniting with someone from his past and having to work with said person going forward. I heard it was GRRM's original plan to have Jon reunite with Catelyn at the Wall, but he opted to forgo that plot. George obviously liked the reunion idea; why not keep the essence of the plot but exchange the character? Bran continually reaching out to Theon to restore his sanity seems to imply Theon is needed for something later, so why not go for it if it all fits?
Everytime someone calls Dany entitled, I bring up this chapter.
I always thought that Melisandre might receive visions from the great other - that would be such a great irony
That would be brilliant
I’m the only one out of anyone I know that’s read any of the books, I haven’t watched season six just based on all the shit talking I heard from allllll my fave got channels. You really do have great content and I love the theories and character dives!
Gray its amazing when we get to hear you talk about George's other stories !!!!!
I'll never forget how George once said that in real life he's "probably most like Sam" out all his characters
I still haven't forgiven Jon Snow 4 stabbing Queen Daenerys Targaryen in the heart. I hope the Winds of Winter will erase that memory from my mind!
With only 2 books to go, you better prepare for more disappointment.
To be fair in the books it's a stab to birth Danys' baby, a cesarean.
Hi Gray and Guest, Enjoyed this one very much with both of you bringing lots of input. Thank you! 🐾🦁
You two are delightful! More of you two is necessary, I thoroughly enjoyed this! ✨💛
This breakdown was fun liked it alot tha breakdown of Jon's temper,been thinking for awhile that dany is going to have to take out jon.In dreams everyone thinks I'm tripping.But anyways thnx For tha juice mi lady .
Love Sam taking the Old Gods!
Jon's hand also gets burned during his fight with the wight the hand belonged to.
I’ve never been this early sup girl!
Hey boo hey!!!!
Love the connection between the hand and the Hand. I always thought the Watch entertained the Faith of the Seven since brothers come from all over Westeros and most southerners wouldn't know anything about the Old Gods. Even the North has fallen pretty out of touch with them. Plus giving up their religion after giving up everything else may have been one sacrifice too many for prospective brothers.
I love your stuff Gray! Thanks for always entertaining me
I have a confession. I kind of hated Jon in AGOT 🙈. He was such a whiney, emo teen. Idk if it’s because I used to be one too, and I’m slightly embarrassed by that and don’t want reminders? Lol. Idk. He grew on me of course though as he matured. I love him now ❤️🐺
A perfect way to start the day.
New subscriber and I am really enjoying your commentary
Dumb and dumber killed game of thrones, I can't rewatch it knowing how it all ends
What kills me is that ever since Daenerys met Jon Snow she lost Viseron, almost died at Winterfell and the 1 man she loved killed her!
I think if someone wants to leave they could probably go find work in Mole's Town. Also for occupations at the Night's Watch there's also wandering crows, though those are rare
"do you know lucifer mean lightbringer?" Uhh... 😂
When Jon is resurrected and comes back different, might he come back more wolffish, like his uncle Brandon Stark? And how many bastards do you think Brandon Stark has?
There are some strong parallels between Brandon Stark and Robert Baratheon.
Gray Area!!!
Many of the men sent to the wall belong to the faith of the 7, so it's easier to keep a Sept at the Wall for the Southerners to get them to take their vows there. Forcing conversion as part of taking the vows would cause desertions to go way up before vow time.
Agree with Melisandre being enslaved at Hardhome. Great video as always
The Mormonts are actually southern, they follow the sept. The fled the south and fought for the Starks gifted the Bear Island for that. (I think a Stark cadet house lived there before like Manderlys and White Harbor.) They're so loyal because they were homeless and Starks gave them a home.
My boy Sam💜
How did Cotter Pyke take his vows? At sea?
Regarding the Jon May bring down the wall thing, he has also blown the ‘cracked old’ horn of winter. Tinfoil is fun
Obsidian Nights works best when Grey has a co-host with some experience like today's podcast.
I love watching yours and talking thrones videos!!!!!
GA!!!
In my point of view the seven are real gods because they give hope. They won‘t kill your enemies and resurrect you but they give you the hope that there will always be someone watching over you.
JUICE TIME!!!
Gray Lady returns
I fooking love this podcast
Jon could have left the Wall before his vows and he would have survived to the Last Hearth. Jon has huge advantages, he has the skills for living in the north, a horse, good clothes, hunting skills, and Ghost, plus as Ned's bastard, most Northern houses would welcome him in.
When u said it's five guys I most definitely thought burgers and fries thanks for clearing that up u know me to well my lady gray
Davis claimed to have heard the mother talk to him in A storm of Swords chapter 6.
Just read Ch1 of Simone's Black Mummers and it's really very good
To ask these boys take these vows is not fair. Brains don’t fully develop until 18-25 depending on the person, so you’re asking them to say these vows when they can’t even fully understand what they’re committing to.
I think at the end of the story Jon is sent to the Watch for them to pass their own sentence on him, since officially he broke his vow (who will really believe he died and got resurrected really?). They'll take him to the tree where he took his vow, but the execution will be a mock execution. They'll let him leave to join the free folk. Or the worst outcome, they really execute him, as Bran watches through the tree's eyes :/
Yes!! Shout out to LML!
The sept is there because of Queen Alyssane!
Are the Green Ones watching through the weir woods too?
My most favorite GOT character is Sam. I thought Martin would focus at him more. Anyhow show runners had nothing to do with the original story.
When Geirge created The Night Watch, I think he was inspirted by Levites in the bible.. There are similatiies to Night Watch and Levites, Levites had no inheritances among the children of Israel Similarly The members of night watch had to break ties with the world
I’m a Levite. I always thought the same thing. Our inheritance was God. It’s not every Levite that serves either. You must enter the Temple in Service, and go with all ruling members of the tribe, not just the Davidic line. We run cities, temples, courts, military, healers, teachers, aka Maesters. If the Synagogues no longer bring in the people, we change names, some of us started the Catholic Church, others funded think tanks, universities, holy orders, mysteries schools… The Citadel, The Nights Watch, The Followers of Rholor, Greenseers, Faceless Men, Woods Witches, Castle Maesters, Spy Masters, and then The Priesthood, Maester Conclaves, Witches and Warlocks all probably send representatives to a conclave of the highest of the high. Bravos Bankers definitely have a rep present. This is how it’s always been done in our own world.
No, the Ghost of High heart is talking about that specific hill, protected by those cut weirwood trees that are still worshiped by her.
This is unrelated, but can you let me know if Emma Darcy is non-binary? I’m pretty sure Emma is, and I don’t want to use the wrong pronouns when talking about them. Love your content my Sweet Summer Mother!🥰
2 genders dude male and female.
@@christophertracy7136 literally not true
Chromosomes and Biology -
Hold my beer
@@alexstewart9747 obviously you don’t know what your talking about! Gender is made up! You can identify as whatever you want. Your sex, which is what I think your talking about, is usually male or female. But even then, there are millions of cases of intersex people. And other animal species often have more than two sexes!
Hold my Sweet Summer Mother’s Juice!🥤🥤✋✋✨✨
@@potatolord616 Just checked my old Biology 100 text - you're 100% wrong. Science trumps your fee-fees every time.
I read in the title 'jon. 6 God of westOrontos'
Howling for more juice.
Talking Thones!! Check it out to all GOT fans still out there. Amazing season 9! 👍👍👍
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You have reinforced my suspicions with this vid. George just loves to subvert expectations and you can’t trust any of his prophecies either.
Im betting that Sam Tarly will be immortalised as ‘Sam the Slayer’ way into the Knights Watch future and ‘other myths’ added by drunken re-tellings of his story.
it also makes me wonder if ‘The Last Hero’ was really a coward who ran away after breaking his sword, survived by eating his dog before being found by the Children of the Forest.
No views and three comments?
Seems legit
Ladies, y’all know there is some serious Enemies to lovers shit going on between the Crows and the Wildling Women. Just saying. 😂
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But viserys is dead... I never liked him. But I looove dany n jon
Religion gets crazy in Planetos... SERIOUSLY. First, everyone gets it wrong. The First Men didn't worship the Weirwood trees... they agreed to worship in front of the weirwood trees and give them respect for the sake of a continued relationship with the children of the forest. They worshiped the old nature Gods. The Roynar worships the great other... the many faced god... or his 7 different faces... with particular emphasis on the face of the stranger... aka.. the great other, Death... whom I think is playfully labeled or named "Winter"... the horrible creature Bran sees in his coma dream... the reason he must choose to live... to fly... and then names his wolf Summer. Second, what really gets me, is that we learn next to NOTHING about the faith of the Valerians... they named their dragons after their Gods (nature Gods). I feel like the faith of the first men was kind of an offshoot or another interpretation of the faith of the Valerians... nature and nature's God. Yet we don't learn a THING about it... though we know many of the names, as many of the Dragons were named after them. Third, before Aegon the Faith was where the power was... the Faith of the Seven had pretty much gotten a stranglehold on Westeros (except in the North) and the big points of contention was between that faith and the early Targaryens.
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