Honestly the Z1/36R is more fork than most people actually need. the Yari and 36 rhythm are IMO the most important forks on the market, they fill that OEM gap between between cheap stuff and "nice" high end. I own several Z1/Yari/36R's - they are sold off cheap here in NZ from people "upgrading" and i buy them to run on my bikes in the bike park etc also means my kids have these forks on their bikes. win win IMO.
Totally agree. I sold this fork to my friend for a good price, and spent way too much on my Fox 38 Performance Elite. I’m happy with my new 38, but the rhythm 36 is a great fork. And wayyyy easier to setup 😂
I bought a new bike that has these forks, and they feel amazing! I wasn't sure what they were exactly, so thanks for clearing that up! Great info, subscribed.
Thank you. I searched around for videos on the Rhythm 36 and didn’t really find any so I’m hoping this will help some people. Thanks again for taking time to comment 🤙🏻
I just purchased a Marzocchi Z1 which is basically the same as the Rhythm 36. I believe the Z1 coil conversion will also fit the Rhythm. Congrats on your Performance Elite. I almost purchased the same but thought the Grip 2 might be too much tinkering for me. Knowing I can upgrade later sealed the deal for me.
Great info! I've only had my new 2022 Trek Fuel EX 9.7 for about 2 months now and love the fork but was wondering what the real difference was compared to the other Fox forks on the market. I will hold onto the rhythm fork 👍👌
Awesome! I know you can upgrade this fork to the GRIP2 damper as well. It’s hard to find info on the rhythm fork, so that’s why I made this video. I have the Slash 9.7, and I have owned a Fuel EX in the past.
I like video and found it very informative. My 2022 Stumpjumper EVO came with this fork and so far works for the riding style at the moment. Glad you explain that the air shafts are different, I almost made the mistake of tearing down the 36R to upgrade the spring. As for the Grip 2 damper upgrade goes, yes it allows for a completely different feeling fork. Did the upgrade on the 38 on my last bike and it was night and day, just too many hours of dialing in the ride. Might do it on this fork. I hit like and will follow for more vids.
I just have ridden my 36 Rhythm equipped bike for some weeks now. I am a pretty experienced rider, but was purposly going for the budget option Canyon Spectral 7.0 including that fork. Well, long term experience for sure still lacking, but easy set-up and up to now a decent performance. Was yet riding some harsh trails.
Yeah, the Rhythm 36 is definitely good for a budget option. Super easy to setup. I did notice a huge difference when I got my performance elite 38 fork. The GRIP2 damper definitely performs better. But I did ride my rhythm on some gnarly trails and it still did it’s job.
@@mtbtrailshredder I know going from the stock Rhythm 36 with the grip damper, to the fox 38 with a Grip 2 damper… you can immediately feel the difference. The fork is the biggest change you can make on your bike. Definitely worth the investment to get it right 🤙🏻
Thanks for the video! I have no reference of what an elite fork feels like and I can't really fault my Rhythm 36, so it's good to know that there is not a whole lot of gain for the average joe rider.
I think you would definitely feel the difference of the Grip2 damper in the highest level form, BUT there’s also twice as many adjustments. Definitely not needed for everyone.
Thank you! Since making this video, I’ve had time to ride the Fox factory, performance elite etc. I honestly like the simplicity of the GRIP damper and would only buy a Fox Factory fork again if I found a reallly, really good price on one.
Hi I have the same fork on my Roscoe 9. Quick question, do you notice much difference with your blue grip damper dial set to mid way? When mine is fully open it’s springy and fully closed, it’s very firm. Doesn’t seem to do much in medium setting. Any info appreciated
Decided to throw a Zeb ultimate on. So sick. The 38 was more money and more time on tuning. x2 feature I’m not looking for lol. 🤘 thanks for all the vids dude!
@@JaredHoff haha no way! Because you’re still trying to find the money spot? Or just like trying new thing at this point, and come back to where you had it?
@@SuperShreddies when I first started riding the 38 I was all about making it feel supple and soak up everything. But lately I’ve been messing with my suspension tune to try and handle high speed steep descents and maintain geo. I’ve been trying to really get it dialed in. But that’s the great thing about the 38, because I can make all those micro adjustments.
Upgrading to this from a rockshox 35 gold on a fuel ex 7! Would’ve gotten the fuel ex 8 that already has it but none left in XXL in Australia at the huge sale they just had so this was the next best option. It’s also a much better option for my wallet overall as I should be able to sell the rockshox… just waiting for everything to arrive! Super keen to get into MTB again as it’s been a while
Is your new fox 38 fork 160 travel or 170? I’m considering stepping up to a 38 for just based on my weight and size. 6’3 225. Not a hard heavy rider. But on descents I charge, and need a little more up front. Thanks
170mm. I like to stick with the stock travel so the geometry remains the same. You will immediately notice the difference. A great way to buy a fork is to go to The Lost Co website and they give you a 15% discount for singing up and use that for n the fork to save some cash.
I’m not talking about the thru axle that you tighten or loosen in the Non-drive side which is a 6mm, I’m talking about the tiny 2.5 mm on the DRIVE side.
Great review, thanks. We have a 2021 Rhythem 36 on my wife's Levo, I have 60lbs in the fork based on her weight and I'm finding the fork sags about at least 15mm with no weight on it other than the bike's static weight. I can pull the fork out and it goes right back to this sag'd position. This doesn't seem right, shouldn't the fork be at or very near full extension with no rider weight on it regardless of having 60psi in it?
@@JaredHoff So it turned out I just needed to pull up real good, sitting on the front tire and lift the bars to equalize the pressure. Once I gave it a good pull I heard the air equalize and the fork now sits fully extended.
I can see in your video that you have the exact bolt I'm talking about on the DRIVE side, down at the bottom by the thru axle. It's a 2.5 mm bolt. What is it for? I know you've struggled to understand which bolt I mean, so could you please go grab that fork and look at it?
There’s OEM which is the original equipment from the manufacturer that often has specifications that they don’t sell when you buy parts separately from an online retailer like The Lost Co. Fox Rhythm, you can usually only get on a complete bike at a bike shop or online. Unless you buy one used on Pinkbike.
Hi mate, great vid btw, I currently have a rockshox lyrik ultimate atm on my bike and love it, just upgraded. I’m looking at buying a canyon spectral 5 or similarly priced and component bike. Just wondering which fork feels more supple and is it worth keeping my lyrik incase I prefer over the rhythm 36.
@@JaredHoff cheers, yeah i was thinking the same, i might buy that bike with the rhythm 36 and then swap the fork, whats your thoughts on the new float x shock? is it more supple than the super deluxe? im loving the rockshox suspension atm but need a bigger bike in probs 6 months
Good Video mate.Im assuming the fox 38 rhythm would be the same deal bar the obvious 2mm thicker stanchion? Ie set and forget? ive seen a really good deal on a 170mm 29 fox 38 rhythmn here in australia and am tempted to grab it.Currently on a norco sight vlt with a yari with top end lyric damper with 160mm travel but im a bigger guy and that and the 26 kgs of bike make me wonder if the 38 would be a better option.Cheers
My 2022 Kanevo SL came with the 36 Rhythm (must be an older fork there is no Evol on cap just 36 float) I am one of those just ride it, no fuss guys. I bought the Kanevo because it's well suited for Southern Utah's rocky, rough conditions. My question is since I'm about 230lb would I be better going to the beefier 38? The bike has done well but I'm not sure if my weight is causing too much flex. Great info on an obscure Rhythm fork.. Thanks
At that weight, I would definitely go with the 38 like I did. I’m just over 200 lbs and I can tell the difference. Especially when I take my Slash to the bike park. But I also know a lot of people who are happy with the 36 and just did the Grip 2 damper upgrade.
Thanks for the video mate. I have the 36 Fox Rhythm on my 2022 Specialized Stumpjumper. Would the coil conversion is a better upgrade than the Grip 2 damper?
This may sound like a stupid question. I have a 2020 fox 36 factory series float fork with the grip 2 damper. I'm always constantly fiddling with adjustments and it has taken away from enjoying my rides and bike park laps. So, would it be possible to swap the grip 2 with the normal grip damper, or would buying a new fork be a better option?
I wouldn’t recommend downgrading your damper. You could probably sell that fork and buy a MARZOCCHI BOMBER fork, which is basically the same as the rhythm 🤷🏼♂️
Have these on my brand new trek roscoe 9... other than small i guess "simple" rides im new to mountain biking and am literally like a child with a new toy, i cant stop riding it haha! The forks really do there job. - is there a mud guard you'd reccomend to use alongside these forks?
Roscoe 9 is an amazing bike 👍Unfortunately the Fox 36 Rhythm fork isn’t compatible with the Fox brand mud guard, but there are plenty of other great options. Here’s a link to one that comes in a bunch of different colors: amzn.to/4aBEeKf
Hey mate, I am thinking of upgrading my trek rail 5 front fork which currently has a rockShox 35 gold Rl. I can get this fork for a reasonable price, Is it worth the upgrade?
What’s the rear shock on you bike because I would never recommend mixing Fox and Rockshox 😂 this fork would deuce an upgrade over the 35 Gold, but a lyrik is another way to go. I’d look on pinkbike buy and sell. People sell “new take off” forks when they upgrade their OEM parts. That’s usually the best deal.
if you get a chance, do you think the performance feels better than the rhythm? I heard a mate suggestion it's better, however I'm doubtful, 100% get it if it's got the grip 2 damper. have you been able to compare?
The performance feels 100% better than the Rhythm, but I think that’s due to the Grip 2 damper. I bet if you upgraded the Rhythm with a Grip 2 damper, it would feel just as good.
Really helpful video, I have been looking for an explanation of theses forks since I purchased my Scott Genius ride 920. They ride so well and I was wondering how they stack up with other models.Now thanks to your video I now know. One question do you know if there is a mud guard for these forks as I have been looking everywhere and they all seem to be suited other models? Cliff
Thank you for taking time to comment. Glad the video helped. They don’t make a Fox mud guard for this fork, but there is a cool looking mud guard that almost looks like the fox ones. Syncros Trail Fencer amzn.to/3yYsn9D
great stuff ! will it handle the ocasional bike park visit (pacific northwest)? nothing too harsh, just flowy blacks and some tech. because upgrading to z1 coil seems a bit redundant. Thanks !
I would recommend going to Silk Graphics website. Feel free to google that or you can use the link below if you want. www.slikgraphics.com/?gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjws7WkBhBFEiwAIi1686AzyvKr19wqmG4ZC34Sry1RxqydvA_yWwLgceaSNckdBuhddDYhaxoCN3sQAvD_BwE
Hola Jared al no entender demasiado bien el inglés que comentas que la has convertido a muelle?? Si es así, que tal las sensaciones, siempre me han gustado las horquillas d muelle pero ahora que ha salido la fox 38 estoy dudando entre la conversion de la 36 que monta esta trek 9.7 o montar directamente una fox 38 . Que opinas. Un saludo y muchas gracias
Hey Jared, i recently paid $250 for a take off R36, 2021 160. I have two questions on this fork, 1) The fully closed position isn't has locked out as my older Rhythm, it still has some compression where the older one is rock solid, is that working properly? 2) I man not need the full 160, do I need a new damper to reduce the travel or can I do that with a spacer? Thanks for the help and great review.
1.) Yes, my rhythm 36 just added a ton of compression in the closed. It didn’t lock it out 100% so that’s normal. 2.) I’ve never heard of someone reducing the travel on their fork. You can add volume reducers to ensure the fork ramps up and doesn’t use all of the travel as well. It’s obviously best to have to right amount of travel in the fork in the first place, but I’m all about buying a budget fork and making it work 👍🏻
Hi there, very clever. I have one question that you might give an answer to: I got a brand new Orbea Rise with a 140mm 34 Fox FLOAT... is it an UP GRADE to replace it with this fork, the Fox Rhythm 36 in 150mm? I was looking t that extra 10mm also to arise the chassis a bit too... but I'm not sure that at the end the FLOT is a better fork overall. I'm looking for an all mountain ride aiming to get more into downhill rather than pedaling up. thanks a lot!
36 will be stiffer and adding 10mm of travel will help with downhill performance. But 36 with also be heavier, but not by much. Could be a good upgrade if you get a good price. Also, a lesson I’ve learned the hard way. Keep your stock fork so you can put it back in the bike if you ever sell it. You rarely get more money for having a more expensive fork on your bike when selling in the used market.
Thanks for this info. I recently bought a trek roscoe and it has the 36 rhythm fork, but the fox site only shows Info for the factory and elite versions. Also looks like their own mudguard won't fit the rhythm forks 😩
Great Video dude, I have a fox 34 float performance fit4 on my orbea rise. I was looking at the fox 36 rhythm fit4 as a cheap upgrade,would it be worth while for me. I will also be going from 140mm to 150mm on the rhythm. Cheers 👊🏼
I’ve never rode with a fit 4 damper, but a 150mm Rhythm 36 would probably make your bike a lot more capable. I know the Grip2 damper is amazing, and I wasn’t very happy with the stock Grip damper that came on my Slash. Hope this helps!
I've got a Treck on order with a set these on it. It's like a Z1. Perfect for me then. sweet and simple and does the job, Thanks for that. I know what I'm getting now. I liked the old Z1's.
Bike I just bought had the fork swapped out. 2022 Orbea Rise M20 140/140mm should have had a Fox 34 Float Performance 140 3-Position QR15x110 BUT has this fork you are demoing in 150mm. So I have a 140/150 light eMTB setup. Did I lose out on the fork in your opinion?
Thank you for a great video. It is tricky to find this info online since its oem. I also bought a trek fuel ex 9.7 a few weeks ago. I did see in the specs of the bike that the airspring should be the "evol" version. Do you know how to see this on the fork? I thought I read somewhere online that the oem fork uses different tokens from the aftermarket versions, would you happen to know if that true and which ones I would need? My fork unfortunately didn't come with a oring on it, this made setting the sag a little more difficult, but used a tiewrap instead. Also, once you had your new aftermarket forks grip 2 dialed in, does is feel really different from the OEM fork? Thanks in advance, keep up the great vids!
Thanks for taking time to comment. I’ll do my best to answer. Stoked that you got the 9.7 it’s and awesome MTB! It’s very hard to find specs on this fork. I did my best to research everything I could for this video. From what I gathered the Rhythm uses a different air spring because it has different aluminum, with thicker walls. It has a FLOAT air spring, but doesn’t have the updated EVOL air spring that they use in the 2021 and later fox forks. The volume spacers are the same for all fox 36 forks, so you should be good there. The GRIP2 damper definitely feels a lot different than the OEM GRIP damper. A lot more support through the mid-stroke, and a lot smoother throughout the range of travel. But it’s definitely harder to get setup right.
@@JaredHoff I appreciate your fast reply, thank you. Good to hear all tokens are the same! It seems strange that trek states on there own website that the 9.7 from 2022 would use the evol version of the airspring. But i noticed more info on there that made me doubt the correctness of it ;) And I agree with you that the fuel ex 9.7 is great. I am super stoked with it, even in our dutch version of a bike park, it did not disappoint! For me spending an additional 1000+ on a new fork any time soon, is a bit much. But I will definitely consider the upgrade to grip 2 in future. Thanks for the info!
On the fox rhythm OEM forks they don't have an adjustable dial for the release lever. Is there some other way to adjust the release lever position or a replacement dial that is adjustable?
@@JaredHoff Sorry if I was confusing. The release lever on the thru axle on my fork has decided to change positions. I am trying to figure out a way to adjust that release lever. The dial at the bottom of the OEM forks for that thru axle is not adjustable.
Just ordered the Spectral AL5 with the R36. I had originally order the AL6 which had a Lyric Select + but for ~$800 Canadian difference and not much else different in the specs I couldn’t justify it. I understand the Lyric and 36 are in the same group but imagine the Lyric S+ with the new damper, maxima fluid and Skf seals is a bit better than the Rhythm. Glad to be getting into a FOX as my last bike had a RockShox 35 which was garbage and SRAM should be ashamed for selling that at the same price as the Z2.
I’ve rode the Lyric Select+ as well and it is a very supple fork with good performance, but doesn’t have as much support/stiffness as the 36. I think the R 36 with a Grip2 damper upgrade would definitely put perform the Lyric, but that’s very subjective. You’ll be stoked with your new bike. Good choice man 🤙🏻
great info , loving the site. can you tell me what size crown race i need to order for that rhythm 36 … i’ve got the cane creek 40 headset, only don’t have a crown race… will any brand do? thanks a lot for any help you can provide-glenn
I think the crown race was part of the Trek headset. I took it off my 36 and put it on the 38 when I switched forks. I’d check with the local bike shop to make sure you get the right part.
I'm not sure between two specs, and one comes with the RockShox Lyrik Select+. Could you give some advice in comparison to the FOX 36 FLOAT Rhythm, which comes with the cheaper version? Thanks!
If you want to have a closer look, it's about two inside deals (little defects) of YT Capras from 2020. The more basic one YT Capra Comp 29 for 2000€ www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/YT/Capra-Comp-29,28674 and the higher spec YT Capra Pro 29 for 2500€ www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/YT/Capra-Pro-29,28677 Some advice if it's worth for a beginner to go up 500€? ...and risk trouble with his wife if she finds out...!😅 Thank you very much!
Lyrik Select+ is another OEM level fork. I believe it came on the Slash 8 in this year model. I think you can also upgrade the Lyrik select plus with a Charger 2.1 damper and make it feel like a Lyrik Ultimate.
Yes, I believe you can up the travel on this the same way you can on other Fox forks, but I’ve never actually done that. I always stick with factory travel. Engineers put a lot of effort into getting bikes to ride a certain way and adding fork travel changes all that. But that’s just my 2 cents 🤷🏼♂️
No. I just got a burn with a Yari on it. You can upgrade the Yari to make it the same as a Lyrik Ultimate. I wouldn’t get the rhythm, but that’s just my opinion.
I have a 2023 Trek Fuel EXe 9.7 with a Fox Float 36 Rhythm fork. Is it possible to upgrade it with a 160mm air shaft and if so, would that be beneficial? Thanks
Yes, you can increase the travel. I like to keep stock travel and geometry. Only reason I would up the travel is if I was going to mullet the rear wheel.
I just bought a jamis hardline and it has this fork it's my first big full suspension (I was riding a giant talon 29er) it's a bit confusing to grasp all the settings but I'll get there
I have noticed that the 36R ain't cutting it anymore. I'm about 200 fully loaded and love doing super fast technical downhill and jumping. I noticed that as I've gotten better and faster the rhythm causes so much arm pump and only sticks decently well. I went down one of my favorite sections of trail recently and had to stop because my arms we really tired and almost sore... But for jump lines its fine because they are mainly a little smoother or completely smooth I have an opportunity to get a 38 factory for a little under half MSRP and judging by your comments you really like it. Would this be beneficial in my situation, or should I just pass? It will be going on a Status 160 and I would be upping to 180mm of travel since its my park bike
38 with a Grip 2 damper will be a game changer. It’s does add some weight, but not enough to matter if it’s a bike you plan to use at the bike park. I think you’re feeling exactly what I have in the past. Rhythm with Grip damper works good for most riding, BUT heavier riders and those who are really pushing their limits will love the way the Grip 2 damper feels.
@@JaredHoff Thanks for the reply! I have a few more days to really set it in stone, I'm only pensive because its still a lot of money (even on sale hahaha). I'll trust you though, a lot of people have been saying the 38 is great. If it wasn't for the deal I probably would have spent more on a mezzer pro. How long did it take for you to get the 38 dialed?
Fox recommends 15-20%, so I like to keep my fork around 18%. That gives you good support. At 242 lbs, you’ll want to pay attention to how your green you bottom to fork out. You may want to add a volume spacer to help with that. But honestly, I hate messing with my suspension so I usually get it “good enough” and just ride it.
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Hello Jared, i only started riding 9 months ago here in Ireland, as the government has cut 80 miles of trails into the mountains 20mins from my home, i bought a trance 29er for my first bike with the fox 34 rhythm on it. The guy down in the bike shop has a brand new set of z1s and will swap them over onto my trance for my 34s and 200 euros,would this be a good move, or should I sell my 29er and upgrade to a trance x with the 36s on it? I just love biking every weekend with the lads, only wish i started it years ago, would really appreciate your opinion bud.
Just bought a 2022 fuel ex 9.8 with the fox 36. The shock feels great on the trail, but when you come to a technical part with larger rocks/roots and I am traveling fast the rebound seems to spring the front end too much. Been trying to adjust, but can’t seem to find the right balance. My old remedy, had more adjustments on the shock, although a shorter travel and not as much slack for sure. Approaching 60, not spending too much time in the air, so this shock should work for my riding style, but still riding loving all the technical trails both up and down. Do I need to invest in the upgrade so I can get the 2 grip adjustment or is this going back to the slack adjustments and starting over?
The Remedy you used to ride also had more travel, so it definitely would feel smoother on rough sections. I had a fuel EX with a similar shock and it felt a bit rough as well. But I would try adjusting things like sag, volume spacers, rebound settings.
My Focus Jam2 6.9 came with a Fox 36 Rhythm and to get any rebound damping i had to wind the rebound dial to near full + Feels like there is no oil in the fork. My old Fox Float 34 feels way better and i can actually hear the oil sucking thru the internals. Adding rebound settled the front end down lots as before it would be way to active rebound wise traveling over stone/rocks etc. I want the seller to check these forks out at the first service. Surely Fox did not get it wrong when assembling these fork. Hmmmm..........
I have the Rhythm on my Spesh Ebike and i am finding the soft bump a killer... I was looking at the Zeb Ultimate but i now may comsider the Damper upgrate as its half the price.... Just want them to feel a bit better on the soft stuff...
I’m getting a Remedy 8 which comes with a Lyric and eventually I want to change the fork to a 36, 38 or zeb but I just want a simple to set up fork so the zeb is probably off the list but I’ll learn how to use the grip to set up on the lyric
The lyric is really easy to setup and a good fork, so you might not even need to upgrade it. The fox Grip2 damper definitely take a bit more time to get setup just right.
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Mine came last year with huge play on the bushings equipped on the same, brand new, trek slash, btw. Despite the stantions being obviously too thin, they preferred to take back the bike instead of replacing the fork.
@@JaredHoff I took it apart towards the end of this past season and cleaned it up. Fox loaded the air spring with grease and that’s why it felt so terrible. All good now (using rockshox and fox oil)
I think it’s similar the the Bomber Z1. I’m not sure if you could tell the difference in the stiffness. The main difference is that aftermarket 36’s have the Grip2 damper, which you can 100% feel the difference.
@@JaredHoff Would a Rhythm 36/Z1 with the upgraded grip2 damper installed be stiffer than a stock Factory 36 Grip2? Add the coil option and that's quite a fork.
I am looking at getting my first mountain bike. Specialized has some good sale prices on stub jumper evo carbon bikes. I can get the comp version for$3,750.00. Or I could get the expert for $5000.00. The only real difference other than slightly better wheels and dropper post is the suspension. Comp version runs the rhythm fork with a float x performance shock. Expert runs a performance elite fork and float x performance elite shock. Is this upgrade in suspension worth $1250?
@@JaredHoff I was reading the reviews and one buyer stated that the Syncros fender for the 36 fits a 2022 Fox Rhythm fork. I guess Fox is still using that older square cast crown for this budget oem fork.
Unfortunately they don’t sell the Rhythm fork aftermarket. I sold my Rhythm 36 to a friend after I got the Fox 38 fork for my bike. You can buy a Marzocchi Bomber Z1 Suspension Fork for about $800, and that’s the same fork as a Fox Rhythm 36. I’ll put a link below so you can see what I’m talking about. amzn.to/3tp1qI3
@@JaredHoff thx a lot, that why I could not find anywhere! I will try to sell around the price you mentioned! Its brand new, never use it! I change the fork to a 38 factory kashima!
@@danielbozzay7797 I think you could easily get $500 for the rhythm 36. That way they get a good deal. I sold my Rhythm 36 for $300, but that was to a good friend
Great vid. The challenge many people have is comparing folks across manufactures. I now have a choice for my new bike of the Fox 36 rhythm 'v' RockShox 35 Silver. Any ideas?
@@JaredHoff My bike calls for a 170 38 37 mm offset. I chose the 160 51 offset and I use a 31 mm stem and 800 bar with 30 rise. I do the 31.8 clamp too. With a 36 mm internal I 9 wheel and insert it makes for a really smooth front end and my bike is so long.
@@JaredHoff sick I use them front and rear. I run 17 psi front and 19 in the back but I use plus rims. With a 30 mm rim I use 20 psi front and rear. With Cush core of course. They will give you a ton of performance benefits. I think they do. Some bike shops will say just run them in the rear and that is not how they are designed. I think you need them front and rear.
Forgive me for asking you again I took a Focus sam2 6.8 with a 38 pace fork I hope it's a valid fork! Do you think I can consider it similar to performance as functionality?
I honestly think Fox and Rockshox are in a league of there own when it comes to budget forks with quality performance. You could say Marzocchi as well, but that’s just another Fox brand.
@@JaredHoffnel senso che fox è superiore alle altre oppure che sono tutte quante di un altro campionato come hai scritto te rispetto ai modelli superiori in the sense that fox is superior to the others or that they are all from another league as you wrote compared to the superior models
Honestly the Z1/36R is more fork than most people actually need.
the Yari and 36 rhythm are IMO the most important forks on the market, they fill that OEM gap between between cheap stuff and "nice" high end.
I own several Z1/Yari/36R's - they are sold off cheap here in NZ from people "upgrading" and i buy them to run on my bikes in the bike park etc
also means my kids have these forks on their bikes. win win IMO.
Totally agree. I sold this fork to my friend for a good price, and spent way too much on my Fox 38 Performance Elite. I’m happy with my new 38, but the rhythm 36 is a great fork. And wayyyy easier to setup 😂
I bought a new bike that has these forks, and they feel amazing! I wasn't sure what they were exactly, so thanks for clearing that up! Great info, subscribed.
Glad to have helped. Thanks for leaving a comment and subscribing
Thanks for making this. I was having a hard time finding good info on this fork.
Glad to have helped 👍
Great video with a great backdrop Red. It was very interesting, thank you for the content and keep up the good work. Ride on and take care buddy
Thank you. I searched around for videos on the Rhythm 36 and didn’t really find any so I’m hoping this will help some people. Thanks again for taking time to comment 🤙🏻
@@JaredHoff You're welcome Red, a great idea and well done. Take care
@@ckMTB you to man. Get stoked! Go ride! Have fun!
I just purchased a Marzocchi Z1 which is basically the same as the Rhythm 36. I believe the Z1 coil conversion will also fit the Rhythm. Congrats on your Performance Elite. I almost purchased the same but thought the Grip 2 might be too much tinkering for me. Knowing I can upgrade later sealed the deal for me.
The Grip2 is definitely harder to get setup right. Stoked for you. And like you said, you can always upgrade to the Grip2 later if you choose 🤙🏻
It's not basically the same the cartridge is exactly the same. 👍
Great info! I've only had my new 2022 Trek Fuel EX 9.7 for about 2 months now and love the fork but was wondering what the real difference was compared to the other Fox forks on the market. I will hold onto the rhythm fork 👍👌
Awesome! I know you can upgrade this fork to the GRIP2 damper as well. It’s hard to find info on the rhythm fork, so that’s why I made this video. I have the Slash 9.7, and I have owned a Fuel EX in the past.
Thanks for taking the time to give us a run down on the differences!
Glad you appreciated it 👍🏻 comments like this make it all worth it.
I like video and found it very informative. My 2022 Stumpjumper EVO came with this fork and so far works for the riding style at the moment. Glad you explain that the air shafts are different, I almost made the mistake of tearing down the 36R to upgrade the spring. As for the Grip 2 damper upgrade goes, yes it allows for a completely different feeling fork. Did the upgrade on the 38 on my last bike and it was night and day, just too many hours of dialing in the ride. Might do it on this fork. I hit like and will follow for more vids.
Thank you for the awesome comment. The 38 is definitely night and day, and I am still playing with the settings to try and get it right 😂
Just purchased this fork! Got a great deal on it! I put it on my trek Roscoe 7! So much better than the rockshox recon rl that came with the Roscoe.
Heck yeah! That’s the perfect fork for a Roscoe 👍
I just have ridden my 36 Rhythm equipped bike for some weeks now. I am a pretty experienced rider, but was purposly going for the budget option Canyon Spectral 7.0 including that fork. Well, long term experience for sure still lacking, but easy set-up and up to now a decent performance. Was yet riding some harsh trails.
Yeah, the Rhythm 36 is definitely good for a budget option. Super easy to setup. I did notice a huge difference when I got my performance elite 38 fork. The GRIP2 damper definitely performs better.
But I did ride my rhythm on some gnarly trails and it still did it’s job.
@@mtbtrailshredder I know going from the stock Rhythm 36 with the grip damper, to the fox 38 with a Grip 2 damper… you can immediately feel the difference. The fork is the biggest change you can make on your bike. Definitely worth the investment to get it right 🤙🏻
I have the same bike and can't fault it. In saying that I don't know what an elite fork feels like in comparison.
Thanks for the video! I have no reference of what an elite fork feels like and I can't really fault my Rhythm 36, so it's good to know that there is not a whole lot of gain for the average joe rider.
I think you would definitely feel the difference of the Grip2 damper in the highest level form, BUT there’s also twice as many adjustments. Definitely not needed for everyone.
Great video, very good and accurate information, just bought a TREK Roscoe 9 with this fork 29' 140mm, and feels great...thx!!!
Thank you! Since making this video, I’ve had time to ride the Fox factory, performance elite etc.
I honestly like the simplicity of the GRIP damper and would only buy a Fox Factory fork again if I found a reallly, really good price on one.
Hi I have the same fork on my Roscoe 9. Quick question, do you notice much difference with your blue grip damper dial set to mid way? When mine is fully open it’s springy and fully closed, it’s very firm. Doesn’t seem to do much in medium setting. Any info appreciated
Good info, thanks for the plain and simple insight.
Glad to have helped! Thank you for the feedback 🤘🏻
Decided to throw a Zeb ultimate on.
So sick.
The 38 was more money and more time on tuning. x2 feature I’m not looking for lol.
🤘 thanks for all the vids dude!
ZEB is an awesome fork. 38 definitely takes longer to tune. I’m still messing with it lol
@@JaredHoff haha no way!
Because you’re still trying to find the money spot? Or just like trying new thing at this point, and come back to where you had it?
@@SuperShreddies when I first started riding the 38 I was all about making it feel supple and soak up everything. But lately I’ve been messing with my suspension tune to try and handle high speed steep descents and maintain geo. I’ve been trying to really get it dialed in. But that’s the great thing about the 38, because I can make all those micro adjustments.
My brother knows his stuff. Take notes!
Thanks bro!
Upgrading to this from a rockshox 35 gold on a fuel ex 7! Would’ve gotten the fuel ex 8 that already has it but none left in XXL in Australia at the huge sale they just had so this was the next best option. It’s also a much better option for my wallet overall as I should be able to sell the rockshox… just waiting for everything to arrive! Super keen to get into MTB again as it’s been a while
Awesome
Awesome honest review buddy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you 👍
Fun fact I was looking up reviews on this specific fork, right after I purchase the Fox 38 😂 upgrading my 2022 Turbo Levo alloy.
Sounds familiar 😂 🤙🏻 Fox 38 is an awesome fork though.
Is this a good fork for a 2023 turbo levo alloy?
@@sergiohernandez9243its good to learn but not if you are a skilled rider.
Very clear and informative. Thank you
Thank you 🙏🏻 that means a lot. Truly appreciate you taking time to give me feedback 🤙🏻
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I have this fork on my Specialized Evo Comp Carbon. Does the Fox fender work on this fork?
No unfortunately not. The fork fender only works if the for gas bleed valves. Although you make be able to zip tie it on still 🤷🏼♂️
@@JaredHoff do you know what mud guard fender will work on?
Is your new fox 38 fork 160 travel or 170? I’m considering stepping up to a 38 for just based on my weight and size. 6’3 225. Not a hard heavy rider. But on descents I charge, and need a little more up front.
Thanks
170mm. I like to stick with the stock travel so the geometry remains the same.
You will immediately notice the difference. A great way to buy a fork is to go to The Lost Co website and they give you a 15% discount for singing up and use that for n the fork to save some cash.
Thanks man this was really helpful
Thank you for the feedback 🤙🏻 always appreciated! I’m glad this video helped out.
I have a slash 7 and got an Fox 38 factory, a bit overkill. Well worth it. Save up and pay the extra cash.
Suspension is definitely something worthy of upgrading.
Did you mean running anything over a 2.6 x 29in tire would be too much. That was a bit confusing, around time 3.09. Great info though.
Correct 29x2.6 is the largest recommended tire size. Although I’m sure people run wider tires in this.
Thank you very much. It was very interesting 😊
Thank you for that comment 👍🏻 that’s what makes it all worth it.
is the lyrik select + at the level of this fork or is it worse ?
Great vid mate
Thank you 👍🏻
No worries, thank you.
I’m not talking about the thru axle that you tighten or loosen in the Non-drive side which is a 6mm, I’m talking about the tiny 2.5 mm on the DRIVE side.
I know there’s a spot on the non drive side that you use to tighten the torque pinch bolt, but I didn’t think that was on the Rhythm fork.
Not the thru axle bolt, I’m talking about the tiny hex bolt on the DRIVE side.
Great review, thanks. We have a 2021 Rhythem 36 on my wife's Levo, I have 60lbs in the fork based on her weight and I'm finding the fork sags about at least 15mm with no weight on it other than the bike's static weight. I can pull the fork out and it goes right back to this sag'd position. This doesn't seem right, shouldn't the fork be at or very near full extension with no rider weight on it regardless of having 60psi in it?
It should sag 15-20mm with rider weight on it. How old is the fork, and did you get a yearly service on it?
@@JaredHoff So it turned out I just needed to pull up real good, sitting on the front tire and lift the bars to equalize the pressure. Once I gave it a good pull I heard the air equalize and the fork now sits fully extended.
@@markcm awesome
I can see in your video that you have the exact bolt I'm talking about on the DRIVE side, down at the bottom by the thru axle. It's a 2.5 mm bolt. What is it for? I know you've struggled to understand which bolt I mean, so could you please go grab that fork and look at it?
This video was filmed a long time ago. I don’t have this fork anymore. Sorry
what exactly do you mean by "aftermarket fork" ?
There’s OEM which is the original equipment from the manufacturer that often has specifications that they don’t sell when you buy parts separately from an online retailer like The Lost Co.
Fox Rhythm, you can usually only get on a complete bike at a bike shop or online. Unless you buy one used on Pinkbike.
Aftermarket generally refers to non genuine, in this case, it's the wrong terminology. Both forks are oem, one's retail one's not.
Hi mate, great vid btw, I currently have a rockshox lyrik ultimate atm on my bike and love it, just upgraded. I’m looking at buying a canyon spectral 5 or similarly priced and component bike. Just wondering which fork feels more supple and is it worth keeping my lyrik incase I prefer over the rhythm 36.
Lyrik ultimate is going to be a lot more supple that the Rhythm 36.
@@JaredHoff cheers, yeah i was thinking the same, i might buy that bike with the rhythm 36 and then swap the fork, whats your thoughts on the new float x shock? is it more supple than the super deluxe? im loving the rockshox suspension atm but need a bigger bike in probs 6 months
@@shredmtb4884 loving the new Float X shock 👍🏻
Good Video mate.Im assuming the fox 38 rhythm would be the same deal bar the obvious 2mm thicker stanchion? Ie set and forget? ive seen a really good deal on a 170mm 29 fox 38 rhythmn here in australia and am tempted to grab it.Currently on a norco sight vlt with a yari with top end lyric damper with 160mm travel but im a bigger guy and that and the 26 kgs of bike make me wonder if the 38 would be a better option.Cheers
The 38 is an amazing fork you’ll love it
My 2022 Kanevo SL came with the 36 Rhythm (must be an older fork there is no Evol on cap just 36 float) I am one of those just ride it, no fuss guys. I bought the Kanevo because it's well suited for Southern Utah's rocky, rough conditions. My question is since I'm about 230lb would I be better going to the beefier 38? The bike has done well but I'm not sure if my weight is causing too much flex. Great info on an obscure Rhythm fork.. Thanks
At that weight, I would definitely go with the 38 like I did. I’m just over 200 lbs and I can tell the difference. Especially when I take my Slash to the bike park.
But I also know a lot of people who are happy with the 36 and just did the Grip 2 damper upgrade.
Thanks for the video mate. I have the 36 Fox Rhythm on my 2022 Specialized Stumpjumper. Would the coil conversion is a better upgrade than the Grip 2 damper?
I have heard people give mixed reviews on the coil conversion, but I’ve never heard anyone not liking the Grip2 damper conversion.
This may sound like a stupid question. I have a 2020 fox 36 factory series float fork with the grip 2 damper. I'm always constantly fiddling with adjustments and it has taken away from enjoying my rides and bike park laps. So, would it be possible to swap the grip 2 with the normal grip damper, or would buying a new fork be a better option?
I wouldn’t recommend downgrading your damper. You could probably sell that fork and buy a MARZOCCHI BOMBER fork, which is basically the same as the rhythm 🤷🏼♂️
Have these on my brand new trek roscoe 9... other than small i guess "simple" rides im new to mountain biking and am literally like a child with a new toy, i cant stop riding it haha! The forks really do there job. - is there a mud guard you'd reccomend to use alongside these forks?
Roscoe 9 is an amazing bike 👍Unfortunately the Fox 36 Rhythm fork isn’t compatible with the Fox brand mud guard, but there are plenty of other great options. Here’s a link to one that comes in a bunch of different colors: amzn.to/4aBEeKf
@@JaredHoff that is fantastic! Thatnks a lot for your reply mate! I appreciate it :)
Great video! Have you ride the Crane Creek Helm 2 air? Its much better than Rythm?
Cheers!!
I have never rode Cane Creek. I usually stick with Fox or Rockshox
Hey mate,
I am thinking of upgrading my trek rail 5 front fork which currently has a rockShox 35 gold Rl.
I can get this fork for a reasonable price, Is it worth the upgrade?
What’s the rear shock on you bike because I would never recommend mixing Fox and Rockshox 😂 this fork would deuce an upgrade over the 35 Gold, but a lyrik is another way to go. I’d look on pinkbike buy and sell. People sell “new take off” forks when they upgrade their OEM parts. That’s usually the best deal.
if you get a chance, do you think the performance feels better than the rhythm? I heard a mate suggestion it's better, however I'm doubtful, 100% get it if it's got the grip 2 damper. have you been able to compare?
The performance feels 100% better than the Rhythm, but I think that’s due to the Grip 2 damper.
I bet if you upgraded the Rhythm with a Grip 2 damper, it would feel just as good.
Mud guard option ? I see most mudguards from Fox connect at the bleeder valves that this fork doesn’t have. Link if you’ve got it please
This is the only bolt on mudguard I can find for the Rhythm fork. Check it out let me know if that works.
amzn.to/3vs8R6g
@@JaredHoff thank you sir
Really helpful video, I have been looking for an explanation of theses forks since I purchased my Scott Genius ride 920. They ride so well and I was wondering how they stack up with other models.Now thanks to your video I now know. One question do you know if there is a mud guard for these forks as I have been looking everywhere and they all seem to be suited other models? Cliff
Thank you for taking time to comment. Glad the video helped. They don’t make a Fox mud guard for this fork, but there is a cool looking mud guard that almost looks like the fox ones.
Syncros Trail Fencer
amzn.to/3yYsn9D
@@JaredHoff Thank you very much
@@clensmedia6514 that’s what makes this all worth it 👍🏻
Came here for the same question. Thanks a heap. Will get the Synchros.
@@tuneesq awesome! Stoked to be able to help 👍🏻
great stuff ! will it handle the ocasional bike park visit (pacific northwest)? nothing too harsh, just flowy blacks and some tech. because upgrading to z1 coil seems a bit redundant. Thanks !
36 will definitely handle a bike park 👍🏻 I did upgrade my fork to a 38, but probably didn’t need to.
Hey from where you order the fox 36 rhythm fork decals? I wanna take mine off to replace for chrome, grey or white ones.
I would recommend going to Silk Graphics website. Feel free to google that or you can use the link below if you want.
www.slikgraphics.com/?gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjws7WkBhBFEiwAIi1686AzyvKr19wqmG4ZC34Sry1RxqydvA_yWwLgceaSNckdBuhddDYhaxoCN3sQAvD_BwE
Hola Jared al no entender demasiado bien el inglés que comentas que la has convertido a muelle?? Si es así, que tal las sensaciones, siempre me han gustado las horquillas d muelle pero ahora que ha salido la fox 38 estoy dudando entre la conversion de la 36 que monta esta trek 9.7 o montar directamente una fox 38 . Que opinas. Un saludo y muchas gracias
Yo no hablo español. Can you translate to English please 🙏🏻
Hey Jared, i recently paid $250 for a take off R36, 2021 160. I have two questions on this fork, 1) The fully closed position isn't has locked out as my older Rhythm, it still has some compression where the older one is rock solid, is that working properly? 2) I man not need the full 160, do I need a new damper to reduce the travel or can I do that with a spacer? Thanks for the help and great review.
1.) Yes, my rhythm 36 just added a ton of compression in the closed. It didn’t lock it out 100% so that’s normal.
2.) I’ve never heard of someone reducing the travel on their fork. You can add volume reducers to ensure the fork ramps up and doesn’t use all of the travel as well.
It’s obviously best to have to right amount of travel in the fork in the first place, but I’m all about buying a budget fork and making it work 👍🏻
MRP also makes a damper for the 36
For sure. I bet that would be fun to play with and get everything set up
Hi there, very clever. I have one question that you might give an answer to: I got a brand new Orbea Rise with a 140mm 34 Fox FLOAT... is it an UP GRADE to replace it with this fork, the Fox Rhythm 36 in 150mm? I was looking t that extra 10mm also to arise the chassis a bit too... but I'm not sure that at the end the FLOT is a better fork overall. I'm looking for an all mountain ride aiming to get more into downhill rather than pedaling up. thanks a lot!
36 will be stiffer and adding 10mm of travel will help with downhill performance. But 36 with also be heavier, but not by much. Could be a good upgrade if you get a good price.
Also, a lesson I’ve learned the hard way. Keep your stock fork so you can put it back in the bike if you ever sell it. You rarely get more money for having a more expensive fork on your bike when selling in the used market.
To take the wheel off do I 1st have to loosen the little bolt on the drive side?
Yes, It’s a thru axel bolt that will have to be taken all the way out before the wheel will come off
Thanks for this info. I recently bought a trek roscoe and it has the 36 rhythm fork, but the fox site only shows Info for the factory and elite versions.
Also looks like their own mudguard won't fit the rhythm forks 😩
I hate that the Fox mudguards won’t fit the rhythm. Glad to have helped 👍🏻
I also want to find any info about this fork. It comes with canyon spectral and no info on the official website
Great Video dude, I have a fox 34 float performance fit4 on my orbea rise. I was looking at the fox 36 rhythm fit4 as a cheap upgrade,would it be worth while for me. I will also be going from 140mm to 150mm on the rhythm. Cheers 👊🏼
I’ve never rode with a fit 4 damper, but a 150mm Rhythm 36 would probably make your bike a lot more capable. I know the Grip2 damper is amazing, and I wasn’t very happy with the stock Grip damper that came on my Slash. Hope this helps!
@@JaredHoff cheers, Jared
Thanks for the reply
I've got a Treck on order with a set these on it.
It's like a Z1. Perfect for me then. sweet and simple and does the job, Thanks for that. I know what I'm getting now. I liked the old Z1's.
Glad to have helped. I just recently did a ride and review on a Fuel EXe with this fork on it and was pretty happy with the way it performed.
Thanks for the information Jared, so what happen with the mudguard for new version?
I have the mudguard installed on the 38. Unfortunately they don’t make a mudguard for the Rhythm 36
Bike I just bought had the fork swapped out. 2022 Orbea Rise M20 140/140mm should have had a Fox 34 Float Performance 140 3-Position QR15x110 BUT has this fork you are demoing in 150mm. So I have a 140/150 light eMTB setup. Did I lose out on the fork in your opinion?
I would not want a Fox 34 on an e-bike. The 36 Rhythm is a great fork 👍
Thank you for a great video. It is tricky to find this info online since its oem.
I also bought a trek fuel ex 9.7 a few weeks ago. I did see in the specs of the bike that the airspring should be the "evol" version. Do you know how to see this on the fork?
I thought I read somewhere online that the oem fork uses different tokens from the aftermarket versions, would you happen to know if that true and which ones I would need?
My fork unfortunately didn't come with a oring on it, this made setting the sag a little more difficult, but used a tiewrap instead.
Also, once you had your new aftermarket forks grip 2 dialed in, does is feel really different from the OEM fork?
Thanks in advance, keep up the great vids!
Thanks for taking time to comment. I’ll do my best to answer. Stoked that you got the 9.7 it’s and awesome MTB!
It’s very hard to find specs on this fork. I did my best to research everything I could for this video. From what I gathered the Rhythm uses a different air spring because it has different aluminum, with thicker walls. It has a FLOAT air spring, but doesn’t have the updated EVOL air spring that they use in the 2021 and later fox forks.
The volume spacers are the same for all fox 36 forks, so you should be good there.
The GRIP2 damper definitely feels a lot different than the OEM GRIP damper. A lot more support through the mid-stroke, and a lot smoother throughout the range of travel. But it’s definitely harder to get setup right.
@@JaredHoff I appreciate your fast reply, thank you.
Good to hear all tokens are the same!
It seems strange that trek states on there own website that the 9.7 from 2022 would use the evol version of the airspring. But i noticed more info on there that made me doubt the correctness of it ;)
And I agree with you that the fuel ex 9.7 is great. I am super stoked with it, even in our dutch version of a bike park, it did not disappoint! For me spending an additional 1000+ on a new fork any time soon, is a bit much. But I will definitely consider the upgrade to grip 2 in future.
Thanks for the info!
@@thomasvaneil3517 I agree that the $1,000 is a lot. That rhythm 36 will do just fine for you. Get stoked! Go ride! Have fun!
On the fox rhythm OEM forks they don't have an adjustable dial for the release lever. Is there some other way to adjust the release lever position or a replacement dial that is adjustable?
Are you taking about the blue compression dial? You can upgrade the damper to a Grip2.
@@JaredHoff Sorry if I was confusing. The release lever on the thru axle on my fork has decided to change positions. I am trying to figure out a way to adjust that release lever. The dial at the bottom of the OEM forks for that thru axle is not adjustable.
Hey mate,
Would this be a decent upgrade from a rockshox 35 gold?
Yes. 100% I rode the 35 Gold and didn’t like that fork.
Just ordered the Spectral AL5 with the R36. I had originally order the AL6 which had a Lyric Select + but for ~$800 Canadian difference and not much else different in the specs I couldn’t justify it. I understand the Lyric and 36 are in the same group but imagine the Lyric S+ with the new damper, maxima fluid and Skf seals is a bit better than the Rhythm. Glad to be getting into a FOX as my last bike had a RockShox 35 which was garbage and SRAM should be ashamed for selling that at the same price as the Z2.
I’ve rode the Lyric Select+ as well and it is a very supple fork with good performance, but doesn’t have as much support/stiffness as the 36. I think the R 36 with a Grip2 damper upgrade would definitely put perform the Lyric, but that’s very subjective.
You’ll be stoked with your new bike. Good choice man 🤙🏻
Im at the same decision right now and was not sure if I should get the ALwith Lyrik+ or the Fox36
Are you happy with your choice ?
And how is your feeling about your new bike? I ordered the same bike yesterday, can’t wait
great info , loving the site. can you tell me what size crown race i need to order for that rhythm 36 … i’ve got the cane creek 40 headset, only don’t have a crown race… will any brand do? thanks a lot for any help you can provide-glenn
I think the crown race was part of the Trek headset. I took it off my 36 and put it on the 38 when I switched forks. I’d check with the local bike shop to make sure you get the right part.
@@JaredHoff Thanks a lot for the speedy response! Great site… Ride Safe 👊🏻
I'm not sure between two specs, and one comes with the RockShox Lyrik Select+.
Could you give some advice in comparison to the FOX 36 FLOAT Rhythm, which comes with the cheaper version?
Thanks!
If you want to have a closer look, it's about two inside deals (little defects) of YT Capras from 2020.
The more basic one YT Capra Comp 29 for 2000€
www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/YT/Capra-Comp-29,28674
and the higher spec YT Capra Pro 29 for 2500€
www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/YT/Capra-Pro-29,28677
Some advice if it's worth for a beginner to go up 500€?
...and risk trouble with his wife if she finds out...!😅
Thank you very much!
Lyrik Select+ is another OEM level fork. I believe it came on the Slash 8 in this year model. I think you can also upgrade the Lyrik select plus with a Charger 2.1 damper and make it feel like a Lyrik Ultimate.
@@JaredHoff Thank you very much!
Could you upgrade the fork's travel on the rhythm from 140 to 160?
Yes, I believe you can up the travel on this the same way you can on other Fox forks, but I’ve never actually done that.
I always stick with factory travel. Engineers put a lot of effort into getting bikes to ride a certain way and adding fork travel changes all that. But that’s just my 2 cents 🤷🏼♂️
It’s not the pinch bolt. Mine doesn’t have a pinch bolt.
Hey when setting sag do you leave rebound and damper fully open right?
Yes. Open everything up
So rebound would be set to the fast or slow position? Fast correct?
My bike came stock with a Rockshox Yari fork. Do you think switching it to the Fox 36 Float Rhythm fork would be a good upgrade?
No. I just got a burn with a Yari on it. You can upgrade the Yari to make it the same as a Lyrik Ultimate. I wouldn’t get the rhythm, but that’s just my opinion.
@@JaredHoff good to know thank you!
I have a 2023 Trek Fuel EXe 9.7 with a Fox Float 36 Rhythm fork. Is it possible to upgrade it with a 160mm air shaft and if so, would that be beneficial? Thanks
Yes, you can increase the travel. I like to keep stock travel and geometry. Only reason I would up the travel is if I was going to mullet the rear wheel.
I just bought a jamis hardline and it has this fork it's my first big full suspension (I was riding a giant talon 29er) it's a bit confusing to grasp all the settings but I'll get there
I’m going to make a suspension setup video soon. Stoked for you man! Sounds like you got an awesome bike.
I blew out both my fox 36 rhythm’s. Just rolling down some black 💎 technical trails in Tucson.
Oh no 🙈 that sucks man.
I have noticed that the 36R ain't cutting it anymore. I'm about 200 fully loaded and love doing super fast technical downhill and jumping. I noticed that as I've gotten better and faster the rhythm causes so much arm pump and only sticks decently well. I went down one of my favorite sections of trail recently and had to stop because my arms we really tired and almost sore... But for jump lines its fine because they are mainly a little smoother or completely smooth
I have an opportunity to get a 38 factory for a little under half MSRP and judging by your comments you really like it. Would this be beneficial in my situation, or should I just pass? It will be going on a Status 160 and I would be upping to 180mm of travel since its my park bike
38 with a Grip 2 damper will be a game changer. It’s does add some weight, but not enough to matter if it’s a bike you plan to use at the bike park.
I think you’re feeling exactly what I have in the past. Rhythm with Grip damper works good for most riding, BUT heavier riders and those who are really pushing their limits will love the way the Grip 2 damper feels.
@@JaredHoff Thanks for the reply! I have a few more days to really set it in stone, I'm only pensive because its still a lot of money (even on sale hahaha). I'll trust you though, a lot of people have been saying the 38 is great. If it wasn't for the deal I probably would have spent more on a mezzer pro.
How long did it take for you to get the 38 dialed?
not very tech orientated, but great overview vid of the new fork line for OEM.
Thanks 👍🏻
Good video. I’m 242 lbs. What should my sag be? Thanks!
Fox recommends 15-20%, so I like to keep my fork around 18%. That gives you good support. At 242 lbs, you’ll want to pay attention to how your green you bottom to fork out. You may want to add a volume spacer to help with that.
But honestly, I hate messing with my suspension so I usually get it “good enough” and just ride it.
What do you mean? Fox rythm coming with a bike is a budget fork?
Rhythm is budget for Fox, but still a great fork.
Where can i get those Chromed decals?!
Think I put a link in this video description
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But the chrome decals are made of a foil and it made them a pain to install and they started to peel off as well 😬
Hello Jared, i only started riding 9 months ago here in Ireland, as the government has cut 80 miles of trails into the mountains 20mins from my home, i bought a trance 29er for my first bike with the fox 34 rhythm on it. The guy down in the bike shop has a brand new set of z1s and will swap them over onto my trance for my 34s and 200 euros,would this be a good move, or should I sell my 29er and upgrade to a trance x with the 36s on it? I just love biking every weekend with the lads, only wish i started it years ago, would really appreciate your opinion bud.
I would save up, sell your bike and get that trance x with the 36s if it were me.
@@JaredHoff thank you so much Jared, that's what I'll do, your a true gentleman, 👍🇮🇪
@@paulbergin6301 stoked for you! Riding is so much fun, and when you get the right bike it makes it that much better 👍🏻
What can you say about fox rhythm grip 36? I can’t find it on official website… it comes with new bikes
It only comes on new bikes. You can find them for sale on pink bike buy&sell. They don’t have a lot of info out there, which is why I made this video.
I need that fork on my Stumpjumper - still got it laying around?
Unfortunately not. Sorry
Just bought a 2022 fuel ex 9.8 with the fox 36. The shock feels great on the trail, but when you come to a technical part with larger rocks/roots and I am traveling fast the rebound seems to spring the front end too much. Been trying to adjust, but can’t seem to find the right balance. My old remedy, had more adjustments on the shock, although a shorter travel and not as much slack for sure. Approaching 60, not spending too much time in the air, so this shock should work for my riding style, but still riding loving all the technical trails both up and down. Do I need to invest in the upgrade so I can get the 2 grip adjustment or is this going back to the slack adjustments and starting over?
The Remedy you used to ride also had more travel, so it definitely would feel smoother on rough sections. I had a fuel EX with a similar shock and it felt a bit rough as well. But I would try adjusting things like sag, volume spacers, rebound settings.
My Focus Jam2 6.9 came with a Fox 36 Rhythm and to get any rebound damping i had to wind the rebound dial to near full +
Feels like there is no oil in the fork.
My old Fox Float 34 feels way better and i can actually hear the oil sucking thru the internals.
Adding rebound settled the front end down lots as before it would be way to active rebound wise traveling over stone/rocks etc.
I want the seller to check these forks out at the first service. Surely Fox did not get it wrong when assembling these fork. Hmmmm..........
time for an upgrade..lol Thanks Jared
LOL Thank you 🙏🏻 Suspension upgrades are always so expensive. Definitely worth looking into budget options.
I have the Rhythm on my Spesh Ebike and i am finding the soft bump a killer... I was looking at the Zeb Ultimate but i now may comsider the Damper upgrate as its half the price.... Just want them to feel a bit better on the soft stuff...
I think upgrading to a grip2 damper would definitely be the way to go. Forks are so dang expensive 🤦🏼♂️
So why does my 36 rhythm have a slow leak at the rebound adjustment?
That’s definitely something you should have a mechanic look at. I’m a DIY mechanic, but no pro
I’m getting a Remedy 8 which comes with a Lyric and eventually I want to change the fork to a 36, 38 or zeb but I just want a simple to set up fork so the zeb is probably off the list but I’ll learn how to use the grip to set up on the lyric
The lyric is really easy to setup and a good fork, so you might not even need to upgrade it. The fox Grip2 damper definitely take a bit more time to get setup just right.
@@JaredHoff Here’s the thing, I’m willing to do Boomerang farm bike park and Thredbro I’ll put a link. Boomerang bike farm: in ua-cam.com/users/shortsISdf-y5-Ovc?feature=share. Thredbro: ua-cam.com/video/tE496xFCuAQ/v-deo.html
Mine leaked straight out of the box. Ran it for the season and swapped to a Yari
Oh no! Sorry to hear that
Mine came last year with huge play on the bushings equipped on the same, brand new, trek slash, btw.
Despite the stantions being obviously too thin, they preferred to take back the bike instead of replacing the fork.
@@JaredHoff I took it apart towards the end of this past season and cleaned it up. Fox loaded the air spring with grease and that’s why it felt so terrible. All good now (using rockshox and fox oil)
are you 100% that the 36 Rthyrm can accept a Grip 2 damper ?
No. I’ve never actually tried that. I will contact the guys at Worldwide Cyclery and see what they say.
yes it is
Is the Rhythm 36 stiffer than the aftermarket 36 due to design/materials?
I think it’s similar the the Bomber Z1. I’m not sure if you could tell the difference in the stiffness. The main difference is that aftermarket 36’s have the Grip2 damper, which you can 100% feel the difference.
@@JaredHoff Would a Rhythm 36/Z1 with the upgraded grip2 damper installed be stiffer than a stock Factory 36 Grip2? Add the coil option and that's quite a fork.
I am looking at getting my first mountain bike. Specialized has some good sale prices on stub jumper evo carbon bikes. I can get the comp version for$3,750.00. Or I could get the expert for $5000.00. The only real difference other than slightly better wheels and dropper post is the suspension. Comp version runs the rhythm fork with a float x performance shock. Expert runs a performance elite fork and float x performance elite shock. Is this upgrade in suspension worth $1250?
Rhythm fork and Float X performance is still good suspension. I’d go with the comp version. But once you go Fox Elite,,, it’s herd to come back.
Are there any bolt on mud guard options?
Fox says theirs doesn’t fit.
Unfortunately not, but they make syncros fender that looks almost the same. I’ll throw a link below 👇🏻
amzn.to/3SonWfv
@@JaredHoff I was reading the reviews and one buyer stated that the Syncros fender for the 36 fits a 2022 Fox Rhythm fork. I guess Fox is still using that older square cast crown for this budget oem fork.
@@jonwhite182 yes, they are still using that older design for the Rhythm
No high speed compression adjustment?
No. Just one compression adjust, an open close level
Looking at this for my giant hard tail, would this be a good upgrade my bike has a 130 giant crest
The Rhythm 36 would be a good option, but I’d go 140mm max. Usually you’ll hear companies recommending 10mm travel increase max, so from 130 to 140
@@JaredHoff ok thanks 👍
Fine I will like and subscribe 🙏
Thank you 🙏🏻
how is this compared to rockshox lyiric select ?
About the same, but I’ve heard people say the Lyrik runs a little smoother
how much travel does your rhythm have ?
170mm
I would like to spend my one! What will be the corrent price for it? Thx
Unfortunately they don’t sell the Rhythm fork aftermarket. I sold my Rhythm 36 to a friend after I got the Fox 38 fork for my bike.
You can buy a Marzocchi Bomber Z1 Suspension Fork for about $800, and that’s the same fork as a Fox Rhythm 36. I’ll put a link below so you can see what I’m talking about. amzn.to/3tp1qI3
@@JaredHoff thx a lot, that why I could not find anywhere! I will try to sell around the price you mentioned! Its brand new, never use it! I change the fork to a 38 factory kashima!
@@danielbozzay7797 I think you could easily get $500 for the rhythm 36. That way they get a good deal. I sold my Rhythm 36 for $300, but that was to a good friend
I cant get my rythym feeling as smooth as the non rythym version on another bike I have .
The Grip damper definitely doesn’t feel as good when you do side-by-side comparison with the Grip 2 forks 😞
Great vid. The challenge many people have is comparing folks across manufactures. I now have a choice for my new bike of the Fox 36 rhythm 'v' RockShox 35 Silver. Any ideas?
Fox 36 Rhythm all day. It’s a great fork, and you could always upgrade the fork damper to a Grip 2 which would make even better.
Those two forks are not even comparable
The 35 silver is so bad
There is mudguard for this fox 36 rhythm?
Unfortunately they don’t make a fox mudguard for this. The closest thing I’ve found is the syncros mudguard below 👇🏻
amzn.to/3H7yaKA
@@JaredHoff thanks a lot 🙏
@@JoseBarbosa-ub3uj No prob man!
RRP makes one that fits
I like that fork.
It’s definitely a good option. Either that or spend way too much on the after market 😬 like I did 🤦🏼♂️
@@JaredHoff My bike calls for a 170 38 37 mm offset. I chose the 160 51 offset and I use a 31 mm stem and 800 bar with 30 rise. I do the 31.8 clamp too. With a 36 mm internal I 9 wheel and insert it makes for a really smooth front end and my bike is so long.
@@trailpimp6369 Awesome! just got Cushcore inserts and can’t wait to ride.
@@JaredHoff sick I use them front and rear. I run 17 psi front and 19 in the back but I use plus rims. With a 30 mm rim I use 20 psi front and rear. With Cush core of course. They will give you a ton of performance benefits. I think they do. Some bike shops will say just run them in the rear and that is not how they are designed. I think you need them front and rear.
@@trailpimp6369 yup 👍🏻 I got them front and rear with a Maxxis Assegai front and DHR II rear. Went with EXO+ casing and trying out a 2.6” width.
Forgive me for asking you again
I took a Focus sam2 6.8 with a 38 pace fork
I hope it's a valid fork!
Do you think I can consider it similar to performance as functionality?
I honestly think Fox and Rockshox are in a league of there own when it comes to budget forks with quality performance. You could say Marzocchi as well, but that’s just another Fox brand.
@@JaredHoffnel senso che fox è superiore alle altre oppure che sono tutte quante di un altro campionato come hai scritto te rispetto ai modelli superiori
in the sense that fox is superior to the others or that they are all from another league as you wrote compared to the superior models
A budget fork fir a budget rider. Yes. Thanks.
Well, budget as far as mountain bike parts go $$$ LOL 😂