Cleaner Top Layers Using Monotonic Ordering In Cura! (With & Without Ironing)
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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In this video we take a look at Cura's new monotonic ordering feature. This was released as both an option for ironing as well as a standalone option and aims to give you cleaner/more consistent steps in your top layers. I will show you how to enable this as well as the different settings I tried along with the results achieved.
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This video is perfect!
It explains very well and gives hints and tips in a short explanation! Very well made, mate!
Fantastic video, really helped me understand what the monotonic feature does. Monotonic ironing is really an impressive feature!
Cost of monotonic ordering is any additional time spent executing a suboptimal sequence of travel moves. You confirm that this additional time is very short - and that makes perfect sense because executing travel moves is an order of magnitude faster than depositing filament.
Great demonstration and visuals!
I have waited years for this feature to be available. Finally. Well done!
Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you as always
Now try my smooth profiles on your prints without ironing and compare. I’m curious about your results.
I should be able to run one tomorrow. Only issue is all of my tests were with ABS. Do you have one for ABS? I can modify the temps but want to make sure I give the smooth profile it’s best shot against the prints I ran.
@@ModBotArmy I just modify temps and use it as is. Or just make the few mods to your profile in Cura that I show in the video.
Am I the only one that's noticed cura got rid of the wrench icon by the slice button and the "select surface to place on bed option"?
How are you supposed to do layer pauses without the wrench? Manually? Smh.
@@FilamentFriday I'd like to see a deep dive why the new Super Fast Ultimaker profile you adapted works so well? It has halved my printing time and I don't see any real quality difference. It works, but why?
Thanks for doin all this testing. Will really help us all out!!
When I do Ironing, I always do concentric since it's more appealing looking. But this monotonic thing is nice and I will actually update cura to try it out!
Nice video. I think you said you had been using Prusa Slicer on your Mac lately, if you dont already have monotonic as your top fill pattern, you should. You can also set it as your bottom fill pattern too if you want, but you can find it in the infill settings.
Thanks for making this video. I'm going to switch on the monotonics, now.
Love these kind of videos thanks!!!
awesome comparison .. TY for sharing
Very good video. CHEP covered this a few days ago and his test prints didn’t seem to show any improvement. Granted he only did a cube while you did a much bigger part. Thanks
I would love to see you vapor smooth those parts. Showing if the new ironing feature has any effect on he surface finish of that process.
I’ve been using it so far I like it not a huge time increase.
Nice step up in surface finish.
Prusaslicer has had this for while. Very useful especially when the object has a hole etc.
Thank you.
Tks for info
Prusa slicer has had this for a long time.
Is there a option to make the top layer walls also smaller? Like the holes have a large padding/different direction. If they would make the top layer walls only a single pass and then iron the rest as the gaps it would look even better.
I think you miss what is monotonic . The filling direction is all the same (example: from bottom left to top right). The cause of imperfections is that nozzles are not perpendicular and it will a little play when changing directions. The base plane of the tip of nozzle is not parallel to the x/y plane. So you will be printing leaning to one direction and filament will behavior differently when handling other directions.
Yep good point,,, this problem is often overlooked.
Watching a video on Tramming a CNC machine and it will quickly show you how bad this problem can be for 3d printers-.
But its not easy to fix on 3d printers given the nozzle is so bloody small and its a lot of mucking around if you don't have a good tool kit & lot of patience-.
If you do any more videos, could you do one on how to make a smooth bottom layer? My bottom layers look like crap
Hamburger menu! 😁 I'm going to use that from now on...
...and it's another like from me!
I'd like to see if ironing affects dimensionally critical parts.
It will effect thickness at there is a 10% flowrate when ironing. The difference is minimal but it you're needing .005" clearance between items you'll want to run a test print to verify fitment.
What happens if the ironing just ignores holes? No jumping around at all, just pass over the hole? Would it mess up the side of the holes or would it just remove all these likes completely? :)
It would mess things up as ironing does extrude while it moves. Typically that's only 10% of the normal rate but that would results in strings and boogers on holes.
if I have embossed letters on a flat panel, that become the top surface. Will the ironing just iron the embossed letters as that is the top layers or all top surface including the flat surface of the panel without the raised letters?
When are you going to finally make a video WITH "further ado"? Keep up the great work!
Haha with it without? Someone just asked me about this 😂. I at this point love it to much to stop. ❤️ thank you for watching!
Do you have any tutorials on how to improve bridging performance?
Do you recommend cura slicer for the ender3v2 in general or for specific features like this.
Both.
Did you ever consider using your resin printer to make parts for the voron printer? I think you should do a video about resin printing regarding which is better since we know resin looks better but is it better for mechanical or structural parts like the voron?
Resin is amazing for organic shapes but sucks for flat pieces (ie pretty much anything functional minus cylindrical stuff). This is why you don't see it often outside of minis and the like.
Resin prints can be strong but the price of those resins goes way way up at least $40 per kilo, vs a $16 roll of ABS. So really unless details are important on the part the FDM printer is much cheaper.
I'm using Bambu studio. I was still getting the streaks/ridges with Monotonic Line. I switched it to Monotonic and got better results. What's Monotonic Line?
Chep have made a great video about this issue 🙂
Oh, Hi chep
I still prefer the PrusaSlicer thou
Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us 👍😀
Nice voron in yhe background lol
What is floating around over there to your right on the shelf?
Seems, in regular print, a bit of over extrusión... When do you use ironing /monotonic, its recommened these over extrusión?
Seems like it should be a default if ironing is turned on
I'm just breaking into 3D printing and have seen many smoothing methods discussed, praised, or criticized. Monitonic Ironing, Acetone Smoothing, Manual Sanding - how about taking it to that level of comparison?
Would the z-hop option prevent you ironing from damaging your prints?
No. The problem is not the travel back but the inconsistent neighboring conditions between different lines. Some being printed with empty space on left and existing line on right, others vice versa, and worst case lines no both. With monotonic, all lines have the same neighbouring condition: existing line on consistent side, existing gap on other.
Take a shot every time he says ironing
Oof that is a risky game
Or "Go/went ahead and"
What kind of fancy extruder you printing down there ??;)
Why do some of the prints have huge gouges in them and look so rough around the edges?
Semi-unrelated: i can't see hardly any people using zig-zag pattern for top and bottom surfaces, how come? I found out it looks basically the same but sometimes print time is significantly shorter. So far it has served me well as a nice trick to save quite a bit of time on prints
When you choose "concentric" ironing pattern, cura removes the "monotonic Ironing order", so, looks like gotta use ZIG ZAG, for that
A) the differences between regular and monotonic top layer, looks almost identical to me. it takes the same amount of time it seems to 'jump back' to those gaps, of which you seem to say doesn't exist, but was very obviously there int he video.. it does one side, then 'jumps back' to the side it left behind.. the only real difference is that it starts it at the same 'direction'.
B) it also looks like you are over extruding for your top layers in general... those are so insanely smooshed lines there bud... may want to check your settings, then rerun your tests to see if you got the same results.. because I will promise you that without that over extrusion, the monotonic will look EXACTLY the same as the regular. Not in ironing, but in just creating the top fill. and with that, you may not even want to do ironing anymore, cause the top layers will look amazing once you're not over extruding :D
Have a link for the utility belt mod?
Yes! Here you go github.com/thiagolocatelli/VoronUsers/tree/master/printer_mods/DoubleT/v0_utility_belt
What are the time difference's between all prints?
They should be displayed but it was about a one minute difference with monotonic. Ironing adds some time but ironing vs monotonic ironing was only about a minute difference.
@@ModBotArmy Ok thanks, I'm going to give it a try on my next print thanks for sharing
Does it produce better results than Prusa Slicer's ironing?
i am having problems with my top layers. it tends to expand
I think I'd leave monotonic on. I see the benefits, but the only downside being some gap bridging and more time? I don't even know if those are true. It seems like a no-brainer here.
@MODBOT - In your testing would you say it's necessary to do the monotonic top/bottom order and ironing & monotonic Ironing order together or would the normal monotopic ironing order be enough for a decent print on its own?
No link to Cura?
Guess I'm updating my cura...lol
Voron build update ?
Next weeks video 😬
It's over extruded slightly. Imo. Looks good though.
Print it with slicer see the difference
am i the only one with crashing upon file uploading to the plate?
Please, reduce the flow about 3-5%. You are overextruding.
Вы видите разницу? И я не вижу, а она есть.😅
your using version 4.11 and i have version 4.8
either i have a future version or are they forgetting 0.8 is a higher number than 0.11. shouldn't my version be 4.08?
apparently version checking isn't working because 4.8 is a bigger number than 4.11.
Most public-facing projects don't use double digits for versioning numbers less than 10 and all of them use double digits for multiples of 10. 4.8 is not the same as 4.80.
when cura is 4.20 ill change to it and when its 4.21 ill go back to prusa
Lmao that is only reasonable 😂
Cura is so yesterday.
Prusa Slicer is now king of the hill.
This is old news for Prusa Slicer users.
Dude tell me you’re not printing abs in your bedroom. Lung cancer is in your future.
First
Wow someone watched chep’S video lol
I watched it today after releasing intentionally. If I plan on releasing a video on a topic or printer I will not watch other creators videos. I want it to be based on my experience and not influenced by other things I see or watch. Other than rare instances if there is a safety issue.
On 6:50 the monotonic looks actually worse because of this screaming line on the top. Anyway, I do believe Cura developers wasting time on something that not so important instead of real problems, unfortunately.
Cura is shite for so many reasons prusa slicer is much better
I hate the clickbaity titles so much. It's gamechanging in being underwhelming. Jesus Christ.