in the episode "a matter of time" Picard said that computer can de-activate all the phasers on the ship . so why don't they do it in this episode to make the phasers he stole (and all phasers inoperable) and then activate only the ones that can be accounted for . but maybe that computer ability was only added after the events of this episode so that it can't happen again
This episode can be kind of summed up like "Rambo: First Blood... In space". What I found really amazing upon watching some 25 years after seeing it as a kid, is how relevant the theme still is today. Veterans who served get completely shunned by the very society they swear to protect. They're labeled as dangerous criminals because of the training and knowledge they've been given and often are placed on "no fly lists" and are nowadays subject to new "red flag" laws. They're also not fully understood in the workplace by supervisors who have no idea how to handle them and are sometimes said to "create a hostile working environment" just because they have a strong personality or presence. I really liked the episode and have often wondered how a society can continue to keep treating people that way after the personal sacrifices they've made. Maybe this episode didn't really do a very good job of pointing that stuff out or maybe it required too much reading between the lines or was just missing something to help everyone else be able to connect with it. Also: this episode could have been a great excuse to use the anti-climatic Worf action theme / hallway music from "The Outrageous Okana
The activation of viewers' PTSD from watching *The Outrageous Okona* would have fit the theme too. The writers may have had good intentions with this episode, but TNG doesn't seem like the best place for it, and the clumsy writing didn't help.
@@sportosp-0158 honestly i do think the clumsy wirtting did not help but i also think another problem is direction wise as well to quote someone else who reviewed this episode (sfdbris) this episode feels stuffy. and another reviwer pointed out that this episode seemed to have direction problems as well. like i am not sure what happened with this episode but something tells me this was seriously rushed out and hardly anyone was taking this episode seriously when i feel like its an episode that should have been taken seriously.
At this time in the late 80s/early 90s there wasn't a whole lot of great sci-fi on TV, so even episodes like The Hunted were greatly appreciated by Star Trek fans. :-)
this brings up a good point as this episode may have also suffered from the effects of time. as when it came out it might have been more apperciated then it can be today.
This was a fun episode when I was young and decent on the rewatch. I found Troi's convos with the prisoner to be a bit corny and the whole "you're too effed up to be in Starfleet" thing to be a bit smug, but I like it nonentheless. The discarded vets theme was a fresh idea to me the first time I watched it and I like how Picard left them hanging instead of the usual neatly wrapped endings.
I love this episode because it shows how inept and unprepared Starfleet is for reality. What’s funny is that both of Picard’s surrogate children, Ensign Ro, and Wesley Crusher, do exactly the same MetalGear Solid style evasion in later seasons. This would’ve been a fun callback if Wesley referenced Danar, along with “Final Mission” as part of what made him so tactical in “The Game”. In fact, if Wes had grown into a more aggressive, tactical officer instead of the “wunderkind” he was supposed to be, that would’ve been fun.
the goofy laughter accompanying all of your reviews - the downlow guffaws coming from the pair of you - are charming and nerdy. overall, it's heartwarming, even if not intended.
we have "seen" Data in the captain's chair at least once before. It was the episode "Angel One" they're trying to find the cure for some kind of virus or something. I just remember Riker tells Data to get the ship to the Neutral Zone by a certain time, later he asks Data why he hasn't left yet, he told him to get the ship to the Neutral Zone. Data replies that his exact instruction was to get there by a certain time and he calculated that it would take x time so he can remain in orbit until then.
There's a difference between hooking something to a battery from another device and trying to get two pieces of technology programmed in different languages to work on the fly without writing code that bridges them.
I believe this is the first episode in which the term "Jeffrey's tube" is used, but we never again see that dark, round passage between decks. In all later episodes they're cramped, well-lit crawlways with ladders.
I don't know anyone in the real world that didn't enjoy this episode! Isn't that why we watch a program? Giving it an F is so ridiculous when it's a fun watch not like some horribly boring episodes that you gave decent grades!
See I never figured setting a phaser to overload was an intended function of the phaser itself, but a byproduct of its construction. More of an exploit than a feature.
Does anyone else get the feeling that many TNG episodes started as "movie brainstorming" ideas cut down to TV episode size? "The Hunted", seems like it was edited badly at all the wrong points, and lack of time caused the staff to use the cliche-matic for a quick exit - onto the next episode!
@@NitpickingNerd First Blood. Not a bad idea in and of itself. What's fascinating is that this episode's plot (revolving around genetically engineered or modified soldiers) would have been a great way for TNG to reference a certain genetically engineered superhuman from the 20th century who appeared in The Original Series.
honestly i find that a number of the episodes shortcomings are director problems. that being said i cant say i know what happened behind the scenes maybe there was something else going on but i feel like its notebable because yeah he was the same director who direcated 2 little known episodes called the best of both worlds part 1 and part 2. so i personally find it strange that this episode has director problems and not just a small amount but a number of them them which again i think contributes to the episodes problems.
I guess I would grade on a scale of "Would I stop to watch if I was flipping through channels and stopped on this?" I would watch this one. Plenty of faults, but I like the story.
Considering all the superfluous things they have on Federation starships, and considering how many prisoners, interrogations, and trials they have, isn't it a bit odd that they don't have a single ship's lawyer? Would be helpful in dealing with contacts as well.
The next episode has a mcguffin that allows the enemy to avoid falling victim to the Enterprise's typical defenses (sensors, transporter, etc.) as well. The next episode also continues the trend of 'Make a statement about X issue without actually saying anything', though even more ham-fisted. It's a shame they didn't BOTH get banned in the UK.
it seems like a Rambo ripoff (the general idea of the first movie. in the episode "a matter of time" Picard said that computer can de-activate all the phasers on the ship . so why don't they do it in this episode to make the phasers he stole (and all phasers inoperable) and then activate only the ones that can be accounted for . but maybe that computer ability was only added after the events of this episode so that it can't happen again
I think Picard being judgemental about another civilisation in this episode is justified considering that's actually his mission in this episode (assessing whether the planet meets the qualifications to join the Federation), and the fact that the Prime Minister wasn't forthcoming with the truth suggests that even he recognises that their treatment of super-soldiers might undermine his planet's case.
The shoulders of the outfit worn by Danar are similar in style and colour to the outer jacket of the First Contact uniform and were probably the inspiration.
It is so frustrating that y'all don't even mention that that actor is also who played Cochran. I think that's how you spell the name.... The guy who invented warp drive in the Starwars universe. He was in the first movie that had the Next Generation crew in it.
I like the concept of people's dispositions being used - that was a very solid idea. Would have been a great way to show Troi's abilities if she wasn't written by guys. Also the action is somehow amusing but I hated how Worf is like, the second most physically proficient crew member on the ship but get pwnd by this grey suit fkstick with a couple of plastic boxes when it would have made more sense for him to scurry of into a vent after being bested - leading Worf to smile with glee! How they had so many opportunities but wasted them reveals just how shit the writers were at narratives & dialogue. I do like the "Yo must have Klingdon blood" line though. Something a Warrior would totally say to praise his opponent whilst boasting his race's superiority!
so fun fact and i just discovered this about this episode. the director of this episode was the same director of best of both worlds. which i find super interesting as its kind of obvious that a bunch of this episodes shortcomings are director problems notice how i said a bunch not all of the problems. but yeah they were a factor to why i feel like this episode was so by the numbers average and kind of boring. which again is ironic considering the director would go on the later direct one of the most exciting awesome memberable greatest tng episodes of time. heck maybe even some of the best television at least for its time. like for me its weird i would compare this episode to quite frankly the worst of star trek discovery at least the first 2 seasons.
no way man F+? this episode is very entertaining I would say, its fun to see the crew lose to this guy, he escapes in a fairly believable way in my opinion. the guest star Damon is an interesting character and the actor gives a good performance. I enjoy this episode, I would give it at least a C+ or higher, F is wild. And Im quite certain in previous videos youve given plenty of worse episodes a higher grade, I think you should reconsider your grade for this episode
Nick you are far to harsh with your scores, i mean this is a decent episode, i have always liked it, what episode gets a C+ fore you? what does a episode have to do to get a A ?
I agree that the plot ended up being lame and unsatisfying with nothing really being accomplished. However I also agree that it was entertaining to watch.
Zefram must have fulfilled his dream of alien women on this planet and his descendant became prime minister
Cochrane died on a small planetoid shacked up with Spock’s half sister! (When you figure it out, get back to me).
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@@patrickstewart3446 Held prisoner by a horny cloud and played by a different actor.
in the episode "a matter of time" Picard said that computer can de-activate all the phasers on the ship . so why don't they do it in this episode to make the phasers he stole (and all phasers inoperable) and then activate only the ones that can be accounted for . but maybe that computer ability was only added after the events of this episode so that it can't happen again
Data sat in captains chair back in season 1 episode Angel One when everyone else were sick
You are of course correct. I wonder how Nick feels being wrong all the time. --Robert.
@@reverseangle LOL yeah like his grade on this episode, wtf
This episode can be kind of summed up like "Rambo: First Blood... In space". What I found really amazing upon watching some 25 years after seeing it as a kid, is how relevant the theme still is today.
Veterans who served get completely shunned by the very society they swear to protect. They're labeled as dangerous criminals because of the training and knowledge they've been given and often are placed on "no fly lists" and are nowadays subject to new "red flag" laws. They're also not fully understood in the workplace by supervisors who have no idea how to handle them and are sometimes said to "create a hostile working environment" just because they have a strong personality or presence.
I really liked the episode and have often wondered how a society can continue to keep treating people that way after the personal sacrifices they've made. Maybe this episode didn't really do a very good job of pointing that stuff out or maybe it required too much reading between the lines or was just missing something to help everyone else be able to connect with it.
Also: this episode could have been a great excuse to use the anti-climatic Worf action theme / hallway music from "The Outrageous Okana
The activation of viewers' PTSD from watching *The Outrageous Okona* would have fit the theme too.
The writers may have had good intentions with this episode, but TNG doesn't seem like the best place for it, and the clumsy writing didn't help.
@@reverseangle Agree. Had it been handled differently they may have reached more people with the message
@@sportosp-0158 honestly i do think the clumsy wirtting did not help but i also think another problem is direction wise as well to quote someone else who reviewed this episode (sfdbris) this episode feels stuffy. and another reviwer pointed out that this episode seemed to have direction problems as well. like i am not sure what happened with this episode but something tells me this was seriously rushed out and hardly anyone was taking this episode seriously when i feel like its an episode that should have been taken seriously.
when Picard said "an orbiting Gulag" Patrick Stewart couldn't say that line without laughing , it's in the blooper reel for season 3
At this time in the late 80s/early 90s there wasn't a whole lot of great sci-fi on TV, so even episodes like The Hunted were greatly appreciated by Star Trek fans. :-)
True.
this brings up a good point as this episode may have also suffered from the effects of time. as when it came out it might have been more apperciated then it can be today.
So, nobody in-universe noticed that the prime minister looked a *hell* of a lot like Zefram Cochrane ... but with a moustache?!?!?!
... like ... couldn't they have whipped up a fish costume or a funny nose or ... anything!?
This was a fun episode when I was young and decent on the rewatch. I found Troi's convos with the prisoner to be a bit corny and the whole "you're too effed up to be in Starfleet" thing to be a bit smug, but I like it nonentheless. The discarded vets theme was a fresh idea to me the first time I watched it and I like how Picard left them hanging instead of the usual neatly wrapped endings.
Not just in Babe, but in LA Confidential.
I love this episode because it shows how inept and unprepared Starfleet is for reality.
What’s funny is that both of Picard’s surrogate children, Ensign Ro, and Wesley Crusher, do exactly the same MetalGear Solid style evasion in later seasons.
This would’ve been a fun callback if Wesley referenced Danar, along with “Final Mission” as part of what made him so tactical in “The Game”. In fact, if Wes had grown into a more aggressive, tactical officer instead of the “wunderkind” he was supposed to be, that would’ve been fun.
James Cromwell ... the man who invented warp drive >????
The fact they are reviewing episodes from TNG, I'm surprised they didn't mention he played Zefram Cochrane in ST First Contact surprised me.
@@DarkLordDiablos First Contact comes after TNG came out. They havent seen it yet.
the goofy laughter accompanying all of your reviews - the downlow guffaws coming from the pair of you - are charming and nerdy. overall, it's heartwarming, even if not intended.
we have "seen" Data in the captain's chair at least once before. It was the episode "Angel One" they're trying to find the cure for some kind of virus or something. I just remember Riker tells Data to get the ship to the Neutral Zone by a certain time, later he asks Data why he hasn't left yet, he told him to get the ship to the Neutral Zone. Data replies that his exact instruction was to get there by a certain time and he calculated that it would take x time so he can remain in orbit until then.
We also saw Data in the Captain's chair in the teaser for "Unnatural Selection."
There's a difference between hooking something to a battery from another device and trying to get two pieces of technology programmed in different languages to work on the fly without writing code that bridges them.
I believe this is the first episode in which the term "Jeffrey's tube" is used, but we never again see that dark, round passage between decks. In all later episodes they're cramped, well-lit crawlways with ladders.
James Cromwell played an Yridian in DS9 and was unrecognizable under alien the makeup.
yes he was i remeber that episode.
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BIRTHRIGHT part 1 & part 2
I'm making me way through TOS again and I keep thinking I'd like to have you guys do reviews of it. You make me laugh while still loving the show.
I don't know anyone in the real world that didn't enjoy this episode! Isn't that why we watch a program? Giving it an F is so ridiculous when it's a fun watch not like some horribly boring episodes that you gave decent grades!
REALLY, on this episode I wanted more Worf going up against this soldier.
See I never figured setting a phaser to overload was an intended function of the phaser itself, but a byproduct of its construction. More of an exploit than a feature.
Does anyone else get the feeling that many TNG episodes started as "movie brainstorming" ideas cut down to TV episode size? "The Hunted", seems like it was edited badly at all the wrong points, and lack of time caused the staff to use the cliche-matic for a quick exit - onto the next episode!
it seems like a Rambo ripoff (the general idea of the first movie)
@@NitpickingNerd First Blood. Not a bad idea in and of itself. What's fascinating is that this episode's plot (revolving around genetically engineered or modified soldiers) would have been a great way for TNG to reference a certain genetically engineered superhuman from the 20th century who appeared in The Original Series.
honestly i find that a number of the episodes shortcomings are director problems. that being said i cant say i know what happened behind the scenes maybe there was something else going on but i feel like its notebable because yeah he was the same director who direcated 2 little known episodes called the best of both worlds part 1 and part 2. so i personally find it strange that this episode has director problems and not just a small amount but a number of them them which again i think contributes to the episodes problems.
I guess I would grade on a scale of "Would I stop to watch if I was flipping through channels and stopped on this?" I would watch this one. Plenty of faults, but I like the story.
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you captured their
STUNT DOUBLES ! "
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Considering all the superfluous things they have on Federation starships, and considering how many prisoners, interrogations, and trials they have, isn't it a bit odd that they don't have a single ship's lawyer? Would be helpful in dealing with contacts as well.
The Enterprise's sensors are noted for being rendered inoperable by the very phenomena they are supposed to measure.
The next episode has a mcguffin that allows the enemy to avoid falling victim to the Enterprise's typical defenses (sensors, transporter, etc.) as well.
The next episode also continues the trend of 'Make a statement about X issue without actually saying anything', though even more ham-fisted.
It's a shame they didn't BOTH get banned in the UK.
it seems like a Rambo ripoff (the general idea of the first movie.
in the episode "a matter of time" Picard said that computer can de-activate all the phasers on the ship . so why don't they do it in this episode to make the phasers he stole (and all phasers inoperable) and then activate only the ones that can be accounted for . but maybe that computer ability was only added after the events of this episode so that it can't happen again
I think Picard being judgemental about another civilisation in this episode is justified considering that's actually his mission in this episode (assessing whether the planet meets the qualifications to join the Federation), and the fact that the Prime Minister wasn't forthcoming with the truth suggests that even he recognises that their treatment of super-soldiers might undermine his planet's case.
The shoulders of the outfit worn by Danar are similar in style and colour to the outer jacket of the First Contact uniform and were probably the inspiration.
They use overloaded phasers as grenades in at least one DS9 novel. Obrien is the one who males them.
If Jellico was captain of Enterprise, then they would have caught this guy no problem.
Starfleet's got a lax flagship!
F+?!? Wow, a huge disparity of grades! I have to lean toward a C+ grade. It was an entertaining episode with a couple of interesting concepts.
This is what I don't understand about this episode there are cameras all over the ship so they would have seen him on the main view screen
It is so frustrating that y'all don't even mention that that actor is also who played Cochran. I think that's how you spell the name.... The guy who invented warp drive in the Starwars universe. He was in the first movie that had the Next Generation crew in it.
Cromwell later played zephrem Cochrane the inventor or warp drive technology in star trek first contact in 1996
Jesus Christ! This was an AWESOME episode, and all you can do is nit-pick it!
2:14 Hahaha.
I like the concept of people's dispositions being used - that was a very solid idea. Would have been a great way to show Troi's abilities if she wasn't written by guys. Also the action is somehow amusing but I hated how Worf is like, the second most physically proficient crew member on the ship but get pwnd by this grey suit fkstick with a couple of plastic boxes when it would have made more sense for him to scurry of into a vent after being bested - leading Worf to smile with glee! How they had so many opportunities but wasted them reveals just how shit the writers were at narratives & dialogue. I do like the "Yo must have Klingdon blood" line though. Something a Warrior would totally say to praise his opponent whilst boasting his race's superiority!
so fun fact and i just discovered this about this episode. the director of this episode was the same director of best of both worlds. which i find super interesting as its kind of obvious that a bunch of this episodes shortcomings are director problems notice how i said a bunch not all of the problems. but yeah they were a factor to why i feel like this episode was so by the numbers average and kind of boring. which again is ironic considering the director would go on the later direct one of the most exciting awesome memberable greatest tng episodes of time. heck maybe even some of the best television at least for its time. like for me its weird i would compare this episode to quite frankly the worst of star trek discovery at least the first 2 seasons.
Storywise it isn't great but thematically I love it.
no way man F+? this episode is very entertaining I would say, its fun to see the crew lose to this guy, he escapes in a fairly believable way in my opinion. the guest star Damon is an interesting character and the actor gives a good performance. I enjoy this episode, I would give it at least a C+ or higher, F is wild. And Im quite certain in previous videos youve given plenty of worse episodes a higher grade, I think you should reconsider your grade for this episode
Show us more of the frog!
Nick you are far to harsh with your scores, i mean this is a decent episode, i have always liked it, what episode gets a C+ fore you?
what does a episode have to do to get a A ?
honestly, this whole bit just makes me want to go watch DS9 again. so, thank for that, but watched the last of this channel. kbye!
I really liked this episode but it also demonstrates how terrible Starfleet security is (once again).
I agree that the plot ended up being lame and unsatisfying with nothing really being accomplished. However I also agree that it was entertaining to watch.
What is an F+ ;)
I love this episode A+ it's plot reminds me allot of Rambo.
I like the Hunted.
F+ seemed a bit harsh here...some episodes deserve an F, but this one was not unwatchable which would justify the F
Zefram cochran lol
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You guys fall victim of looking at television of the past through the lens of the present. And its a shame.