Yeah, they didn't like the villain character at all. They don't seem to like the weasel-like nefarious characters much. I actually thought the main villain in this episode was done well.
Which is an incredibly important character-development moment for Data ... Not only did he *lie*, he lied to his commanding officer and his friend. This is up there, as far as Data moments go, with laughing, heading to the bone zone with Tasha, defending his right to choose, and getting angry when killing that Borg.
Roddenberry reasoned that society would have moved beyond arguments in the comments (!), just like he reasoned that obesity would be "solved" in the future and so no fat actors would be needed. We're still waiting for those pills that give us the metabolism of a 21 year old.
I like this episode, lol, and so I just don't get the criticism. It just seemed to rub you both the wrong way. For me it was interesting seeing Data in a vulnerable position and how his programming reacted to everything. One thing that bothered me is they didn't even bother to have a funeral for poor old Data.
I agree I thought it was a good episode. I felt very uncomfortable watching Data get pressured into doing demeaning things and thought there was good tension overall.
This episode actually showed that Data, being sentient, actually has some form of emotion. And you're left wondering in the last scene if Data is taunting Fajio.
This youtuber is a duche with no taste. This is one of the best TNG episodes. Good acting from Saul rubinek. And of course Brent spider. "I cannot allow this to continue "
Great review, but I disagree with you on this one. This was an interesting episode for me even before I learned about the behind the scenes tragedy. The circumstances were very sad, but we have the rare opportunity to compare how two actors have different approach to the same role. This episode is a classic.
I have to echo a lot of the commenters here. I believe this episode is easily top 20, maybe top 10. I rate it so high for 2 primary reasons. The first reason is Saul Rubinek. In terms of 1 episode guest stars, I think his performance here earns him the best in the series (runner up for me is Carolyn Seymour - I really like her performance in both of her guest spots playing different characters). The pure manic energy of his characterization complements the characters psychopathy so well it is exquisite to watch. Every scene with him makes me feel that this person is a truly unpredictable manipulative greedy narcissist with violent tendencies and I fear for the people around him. The second reason is the wise decision to pair this type of villain with Data. The juxtaposition of Fajo’s character with the calm, cool, collected, and almost friendly logic of Data the android is very fun to watch and a credit to the show as I do not think there is another pairing of characters like these in an adverse situation in media that I can think of. That would be enough, but the cherry on top is watching Data as a character grow from this encounter. Fajo excels at riding the line - morally the universe would be a better place if he was killed, but he knows just how far to go to avoid crossing that line that would justify his death in the eyes of Starfleet. If it was a human he had kidnapped, he may not have taken the risk of killing his assistant, but since Data must follow the rules he felt safe. The fact that Data felt he could exceed his mandate and then lie about it is both interesting and satisfying as potential for character growth that I must sadly admit is inconsistent at best for the remainder of the series and films. I wonder what the Data in All Good Things would have done in this situation….
I'm not sure how these two guys thought this was a bad episode. This was an excellent episode with an excellent guest star. But like every episode of Star Trek ever created there is a layer of artifice and staginess for which one has to suspend disbelief. And of course there's always a ration of silliness too like the lady inexplicably tripping at her overall bizarre makeup.
I like this episode a lot, though I do tend to really enjoy the character-building episodes in general, and Data is my favourite character overall. As far as "going anywhere" these sort of episodes feel like one-shots, don't add that much to the main story, and tend to have the "and nothing mattered and it was never mentioned again" sort of problem, so I can see that side too. As an aside, I just found your channel recently and have binge-d through your Star Trek reviews. Super enjoy the mellow nature of them, and look forward to new episodes. Subbed!
Like a lot of commenters, I liked this one. The bad guy was a jerk so you definitely wanted to see some comeuppance in the end. My read on the transporter room scene is Data wanted to keep to himself that he was about to kill someone.
Which has some huge implications, doenst it? He was lying to his commanding officer, there. After just having tried to murder someone. And it doesnt sound like he is telling the truth in the brig, either. It FEELS more like Data actually does have emotions now, even if he has issues admitting it even to himself. If TNG was a more continious show (like DS9), this scene would have gotten me very worried. It also shows, that even Data can be "hurt", maybe even "broken". I mean, he definetely changed in that menagerie. Even if that change is never being picked up again, in later episodes. This episode could have been Data´s "Best of both worlds".
Data has his own type of emotions, that's the point, and they were developed in this episode and it's very interesting and fun to watch, at least for me
Hmmm I wish the guys had explained the troubled production on this episode. The character of Kivas Fajo played by Saul Rubinek, was originally cast with David Rappaport (Time Bandits). However, he attempted suicide during the production and the role was recast. He later died by suicide 2 May 1990, just before the episode was originally aired. Sometimes I wish the guys would bring in more background knowledge to these reviews - which they do sometimes.
Love the take on it but I also loved this episode... well... I love the end... I love the idea of Data being a perfectly moral machine who always calculates (in Theory obviously) the right course of action being pushed to the point of seeing someone who is truly and obviously immoral and evil. The bad guy was a total psychopath and SURE most people would have blasted the guy cause he is a piece of shit but Data ... he had to truly analyze the situation based on his moral principles and this is where you see that he is MORE than just an Android... unlike what he said at the end and usually what he claims... he is a developing consciousness. Most of the idea behind Data is he develops. He was made by mankind and can he be more or is he just a really advanced AI... is he life... yeah I know that Picard argued for him being a sentient being but... THIS episode showed that he has free will. Data is basically NAP Non aggression principle in action. He does no harm if at all possible but this collector made him think beyond to the conclusion that some people just gotta fucking die. He probably would not make that same choice in the future but in that ONE moment, his calculations were to eliminate this evil man and that, in my opinion, showed Data to be very human. It's a very human condition to decide to righteously vanquish evil. It's interesting.
I disagree. Data had lots of character development in this episode. He had internal conflict with his mandate not to harm others but in doing so resulted in the death of an innocent. The ambiguous answer he gives for the phaser discharging does make sense in that "something did happen in transport", but it's obviously more for audience enjoyment which makes for better writing that just him openly stating he chose to kill Favio. I've never quite liked the episode overall but I really enjoyed Data's character development in it. I would give it a C- just because it has alot of boring elements just to get to a juicy ending.
God this channel is such a hidden gem. Fans of Star Trek need to see this. I love being a regular viewer of an up and coming channel. This feels special, corny as it may sound.
Don't know if anyone said this already, British actor David Rappaport was the first actor chosen for the role of Kivas Fajo, but he attempted suicide over the weekend after a few days of filming were completed. Director Timothy Bond stated, "[T]here was a story going around that they had found him in his car with a tube running from the exhaust." So the part needed to be recast and all the scenes had to be filmed again. So Saul Rubinek was hired because he happened to be old friends with the director and he had asked for a tour of the set so Bond called him and was like you want to see the set? How about you do some acting too? So Rubinek had hardly any time to prepare for the role... I always thought he was great in the role
I remember liking this episode but it was over 20 years ago when I last saw it. I have found that if I think I liked something from long ago, it’s best left alone as a good memory. If I rewatch it, the illusion of enjoyment is destroyed.
I agree with Rich in comments on this one. It's an interesting episode. Not great, but I liked it enough for a C+. The characters personalities were interesting and the script was well enough written.
Fajo was honestly one of the best villains in the series up to that point, and I think that Rubinek’s acting has a lot to do with it. This is a B- episode.
Did you notice, when troi and worf step into the turbolift you can see the wall behind them, showing that they still are on the lower deck. Then after one, UNBROKEN shot, the door opens to the bridge. They were changing the set back there. Its those little details that make it so immersive and it‘s an example of good filmmaking.
I always got a laugh out of this episode when Fajo shows his 1961 Topps Roger Maris as if it was ever a valuable card. Fun Fact: Even today the '61 Mantle is worth 10X that of the Maris card.
Wow. I actually liked this one. At least in C+/B- range. And Data never lies, he is just being ambiguous and I’m pretty sure he actually used logic to decide to terminate the evil toy collector. This was really a good character episode for Data.
Episode goes to show something that we hadn't seen before. Up until now everyone has been pushing that there is no need for material gain because EVERYTHING can be replicated... But there is still some value in having the original over the replica. Anyone can own a perfect replicated copy of the Mona Lisa, but only one man owns the original. So there is still scarcity in this world, and material value.
Seems like most people love this episode. Me too. I don’t get ur views on this at all. The ambiguity for Data is a nod to his humanity quest. Perhaps he’s more human than he realises. Why u can’t see thst is beyond me. Episode good. Review dumb.
The lack of insight and research of these videos is staggering. At least acknowledge the fact that the original antagonist tragically died by his own hand during shooting, necessitating a new actor and reshoots. That omission alone makes this a piss poor review.
this whole review sounds like two people who absolutely hate star trek, reviewing it so they can mock and belittle every little aspect of the show in a sad attempt to show all those star trek fans how trash the thing they love is. its like that plethora of "abridged" series you see on youtube made by people who hate and misunderstand the concept and the source material.
My issues with this episode apply to most of Star Trek; every episode must be packed with weapons fire. It's only season three and I'm overdosing on gunplay and awful alien species makeup jobs. The whole episode was set-up to show someone disintegrate before our eyes after being shot with an alien weapon. I'm going to use my Worf voice, "Enough!".
There are so many elements to episode which you do not address. the most important 1 is whether Data an android tasked with protecting human life is capable of murder. He is .this is where your review should focus and the reasons why?
They are more focused on pretending that they are clever than watching/reviewing the episode. Either that or they really are as dumb as they seem to be.
Saul Rubinek is awesome as a Nazi hunter in the Amazon Prime show The Hunters. Coincidentally, that show may actually contain the greatest performance by Al Pacino as well.
I dont know... i think the ending rescues this episode, as it quite obvious that data did only learn to kill and also to lie about it. It´s more the fault of later episodes that they never picked on this.
Honesty I found this episode to be like the episode the hunted where it was just such average TNG. I know people love to really harp on discovery but honestly at discoveys worst it felt like an episode like this and that seemed to only happen once for me. Even the last episode which people really seem to hate was more interesting then this.
I think TV shows from before the advent of 10-14 episode seasons need to be judged a bit differently (not easier or less harsh, but differently). This was back when seasons were 24-26 weeks long, so writing and filming times were a lot more condensed. Your average season of even the better shows on air at the time would have about a third that were really great, another third of decent to mediocre, and then another third of bad to really bad. Discovery on the other hand makes fewer episodes over a much longer period and I think that is why it gets judged a bit more harshly (fwiw I am not a Discovery hater, though I do question some of the directions it takes). Honestly, I think a good way to introduce new generations to TNG would be to take the best 8-9 episodes from each season which is probably quite feasible given the show is episodic in nature and you would not be lost or confused on character arc or development.
I pretty much hate this episode and I almost never say that about TNG😕. S3 is when it gets more consistent but I don’t even bother with this one on the rewatch because the toy collector just irritates me too much. I wanted Data to take him out. I’m in full agreement of your criticism & more. F-
What a waste of a review. They had nothing interesting to say other than rip apart the episode. Which they like to do so often. My review of the review, done in the style of your reviews. The Quarantine Blues seemed to be really getting at you.
Even though I enjoyed your review the rating for this episode was so stupid that I gave you a thumbs down. This was a really good episode and you give it an F? F is like completely shitty and unwatchable. So this is among the worst episodes for you? I recommend this episode for those who havent watched it. Dont be discouraged to watch it.
Wow I really liked this episode, I’m surprised at the reaction to this episode.
I disagree with them on this one as well.
An F is really harsh, there's far worse that they've reviewed with a C-
I’ve always thought this was one of the finest episodes of the next generation.
Yeah, they didn't like the villain character at all. They don't seem to like the weasel-like nefarious characters much. I actually thought the main villain in this episode was done well.
This actually had some character development for Data-- the ethical dilemma at the end.
@@charlesvan13 Exactly.
I’m totally against you on this one. I kinda like this episode.
Data's line at the end was his way of lying without lying. Technically something DID happen during transport.
Which is an incredibly important character-development moment for Data ... Not only did he *lie*, he lied to his commanding officer and his friend. This is up there, as far as Data moments go, with laughing, heading to the bone zone with Tasha, defending his right to choose, and getting angry when killing that Borg.
Even though most of you disagreed with us on this one, thank you for being civil in your responses. Gene Roddenberry would be proud.
You can tell a trekkie from a non trekkie in the comments section ;)
Roddenberry reasoned that society would have moved beyond arguments in the comments (!), just like he reasoned that obesity would be "solved" in the future and so no fat actors would be needed. We're still waiting for those pills that give us the metabolism of a 21 year old.
You boys are nuts. This is one of the best episodes of the entire series.
Exactly
I like this episode, lol, and so I just don't get the criticism. It just seemed to rub you both the wrong way. For me it was interesting seeing Data in a vulnerable position and how his programming reacted to everything. One thing that bothered me is they didn't even bother to have a funeral for poor old Data.
Yeah man. I think they needed a break from reviewing these at the time.
This was one of the best episodes in Tng imo
I agree I thought it was a good episode. I felt very uncomfortable watching Data get pressured into doing demeaning things and thought there was good tension overall.
This episode actually showed that Data, being sentient, actually has some form of emotion. And you're left wondering in the last scene if Data is taunting Fajio.
This youtuber is a duche with no taste. This is one of the best TNG episodes. Good acting from Saul rubinek. And of course Brent spider.
"I cannot allow this to continue "
I absolutely ADORE this episode. It was the first episode I bought on vhs. This commentary was still hilarious.
Great review, but I disagree with you on this one. This was an interesting episode for me even before I learned about the behind the scenes tragedy. The circumstances were very sad, but we have the rare opportunity to compare how two actors have different approach to the same role. This episode is a classic.
What tragedy?
here is a link to what OP is describing: ua-cam.com/video/yYqGgQ8DE_I/v-deo.html
@@mattstrathis4328 ua-cam.com/video/yYqGgQ8DE_I/v-deo.html
This was a terrible review. That’s why everyone disagrees with them.
I really enjoyed Saul Rubineks performance and I think it was a great episode.
I have to echo a lot of the commenters here. I believe this episode is easily top 20, maybe top 10. I rate it so high for 2 primary reasons. The first reason is Saul Rubinek. In terms of 1 episode guest stars, I think his performance here earns him the best in the series (runner up for me is Carolyn Seymour - I really like her performance in both of her guest spots playing different characters). The pure manic energy of his characterization complements the characters psychopathy so well it is exquisite to watch. Every scene with him makes me feel that this person is a truly unpredictable manipulative greedy narcissist with violent tendencies and I fear for the people around him. The second reason is the wise decision to pair this type of villain with Data. The juxtaposition of Fajo’s character with the calm, cool, collected, and almost friendly logic of Data the android is very fun to watch and a credit to the show as I do not think there is another pairing of characters like these in an adverse situation in media that I can think of. That would be enough, but the cherry on top is watching Data as a character grow from this encounter. Fajo excels at riding the line - morally the universe would be a better place if he was killed, but he knows just how far to go to avoid crossing that line that would justify his death in the eyes of Starfleet. If it was a human he had kidnapped, he may not have taken the risk of killing his assistant, but since Data must follow the rules he felt safe. The fact that Data felt he could exceed his mandate and then lie about it is both interesting and satisfying as potential for character growth that I must sadly admit is inconsistent at best for the remainder of the series and films. I wonder what the Data in All Good Things would have done in this situation….
Uh this is one of the best and most memorable episodes in many ways, I don't think you guys understand a lot of what happened
I'm not sure how these two guys thought this was a bad episode. This was an excellent episode with an excellent guest star. But like every episode of Star Trek ever created there is a layer of artifice and staginess for which one has to suspend disbelief. And of course there's always a ration of silliness too like the lady inexplicably tripping at her overall bizarre makeup.
As I understand, Saul Rubinek was a last-minute recast because the actor they originally cast attempted suicide.
He did kill himself. Very sad how Saul Rubinek got the part - but he was brilliant! Love Fajo and this is my all-yime favourite 'Trek episode!
@@susangallagher1247 I think he killed himself later; but I would have to research that.
@@forestgeorge8855 He did, sadly. While it was so sad how Saul Rubinek got the part - he was brilliant!!
he committed suicide
Such a good episode
I like this episode a lot, though I do tend to really enjoy the character-building episodes in general, and Data is my favourite character overall. As far as "going anywhere" these sort of episodes feel like one-shots, don't add that much to the main story, and tend to have the "and nothing mattered and it was never mentioned again" sort of problem, so I can see that side too.
As an aside, I just found your channel recently and have binge-d through your Star Trek reviews. Super enjoy the mellow nature of them, and look forward to new episodes. Subbed!
I really liked this episode, it's a pity it was reviewed by Beavis and Butt-head.
Like a lot of commenters, I liked this one. The bad guy was a jerk so you definitely wanted to see some comeuppance in the end.
My read on the transporter room scene is Data wanted to keep to himself that he was about to kill someone.
Which has some huge implications, doenst it? He was lying to his commanding officer, there. After just having tried to murder someone. And it doesnt sound like he is telling the truth in the brig, either. It FEELS more like Data actually does have emotions now, even if he has issues admitting it even to himself. If TNG was a more continious show (like DS9), this scene would have gotten me very worried.
It also shows, that even Data can be "hurt", maybe even "broken". I mean, he definetely changed in that menagerie. Even if that change is never being picked up again, in later episodes. This episode could have been Data´s "Best of both worlds".
Data has his own type of emotions, that's the point, and they were developed in this episode and it's very interesting and fun to watch, at least for me
3:18 My left foot also always moves like a car's window wiper when I'm having shuttle docking nightmares.
I hope that you're fully dressed and lying on the most uncomfortable looking bed in the universe, too -- that blocky pillow thing!?
Man you guys are SO harsh. This was a great episode.
Hmmm I wish the guys had explained the troubled production on this episode. The character of Kivas Fajo played by Saul Rubinek, was originally cast with David Rappaport (Time Bandits). However, he attempted suicide during the production and the role was recast. He later died by suicide 2 May 1990, just before the episode was originally aired. Sometimes I wish the guys would bring in more background knowledge to these reviews - which they do sometimes.
Da Vinci didn't own the Mona Lisa, he was commissioned to paint it by an Italian nobleman.
Yeah. The owners of art are only briefly the painters. Quite obviously.
I liked the whimsy of this episode.
I watch it anytime it's on.
Very good episode, surprised that you have rated it so low.
Love the take on it but I also loved this episode... well... I love the end... I love the idea of Data being a perfectly moral machine who always calculates (in Theory obviously) the right course of action being pushed to the point of seeing someone who is truly and obviously immoral and evil. The bad guy was a total psychopath and SURE most people would have blasted the guy cause he is a piece of shit but Data ... he had to truly analyze the situation based on his moral principles and this is where you see that he is MORE than just an Android... unlike what he said at the end and usually what he claims... he is a developing consciousness. Most of the idea behind Data is he develops. He was made by mankind and can he be more or is he just a really advanced AI... is he life... yeah I know that Picard argued for him being a sentient being but... THIS episode showed that he has free will. Data is basically NAP Non aggression principle in action. He does no harm if at all possible but this collector made him think beyond to the conclusion that some people just gotta fucking die. He probably would not make that same choice in the future but in that ONE moment, his calculations were to eliminate this evil man and that, in my opinion, showed Data to be very human. It's a very human condition to decide to righteously vanquish evil. It's interesting.
Exactly.
I disagree. Data had lots of character development in this episode. He had internal conflict with his mandate not to harm others but in doing so resulted in the death of an innocent. The ambiguous answer he gives for the phaser discharging does make sense in that "something did happen in transport", but it's obviously more for audience enjoyment which makes for better writing that just him openly stating he chose to kill Favio.
I've never quite liked the episode overall but I really enjoyed Data's character development in it. I would give it a C- just because it has alot of boring elements just to get to a juicy ending.
God this channel is such a hidden gem. Fans of Star Trek need to see this. I love being a regular viewer of an up and coming channel. This feels special, corny as it may sound.
Don't know if anyone said this already, British actor David Rappaport was the first actor chosen for the role of Kivas Fajo, but he attempted suicide over the weekend after a few days of filming were completed. Director Timothy Bond stated, "[T]here was a story going around that they had found him in his car with a tube running from the exhaust." So the part needed to be recast and all the scenes had to be filmed again. So Saul Rubinek was hired because he happened to be old friends with the director and he had asked for a tour of the set so Bond called him and was like you want to see the set? How about you do some acting too? So Rubinek had hardly any time to prepare for the role... I always thought he was great in the role
This was an awesome episode
I always liked Saul Rubinek, so I have a certain bias with this episode.
Clowns. This was a solid episode.
I remember liking this episode but it was over 20 years ago when I last saw it. I have found that if I think I liked something from long ago, it’s best left alone as a good memory. If I rewatch it, the illusion of enjoyment is destroyed.
I agree with Rich in comments on this one. It's an interesting episode. Not great, but I liked it enough for a C+. The characters personalities were interesting and the script was well enough written.
My favourite 'Trek episode of all!!
Fajo was honestly one of the best villains in the series up to that point, and I think that Rubinek’s acting has a lot to do with it. This is a B- episode.
This was a great episode.
Did you notice, when troi and worf step into the turbolift you can see the wall behind them, showing that they still are on the lower deck. Then after one, UNBROKEN shot, the door opens to the bridge. They were changing the set back there. Its those little details that make it so immersive and it‘s an example of good filmmaking.
Well apparently you guys have never been stuck in abusive relationships which I guess is good
I always got a laugh out of this episode when Fajo shows his 1961 Topps Roger Maris as if it was ever a valuable card. Fun Fact: Even today the '61 Mantle is worth 10X that of the Maris card.
Maybe in the future they found out Mantle was on PEDs. Or was an alien.
@@DeltaAssaultGaming the fact Mantle did most of what he did drunk as a skunk makes him the best player ever to play the game.
I liked it lol. The conversations between data and Fajo. Even if he's cartoony. Still fun
Wow. I actually liked this one. At least in C+/B- range. And Data never lies, he is just being ambiguous and I’m pretty sure he actually used logic to decide to terminate the evil toy collector. This was really a good character episode for Data.
I don't really get the hate for this episode. Not liking it, sure, but it doesn't really seem worth hating.
Episode goes to show something that we hadn't seen before. Up until now everyone has been pushing that there is no need for material gain because EVERYTHING can be replicated... But there is still some value in having the original over the replica. Anyone can own a perfect replicated copy of the Mona Lisa, but only one man owns the original. So there is still scarcity in this world, and material value.
This episode is amazing. You're trippin
So if you shoot someone in the toe with a disruptor they totally dissolve? Or could data have just shot his legs off?
Think it depends on the type of weapon and the exact setting.
The assault phasers the assassins used in Star Trek VI just shot holes in people.
... and what if the person you shoot is holding someone else's hand?
I never cared for this one either, although I do recommend that y’all pick up warehouse 13, or at least consider it
Seems like most people love this episode. Me too. I don’t get ur views on this at all. The ambiguity for Data is a nod to his humanity quest. Perhaps he’s more human than he realises. Why u can’t see thst is beyond me. Episode good. Review dumb.
I would love to see data just go full Terminator.
I honestly forgot this episode was a season 3 episode lol
The lack of insight and research of these videos is staggering. At least acknowledge the fact that the original antagonist tragically died by his own hand during shooting, necessitating a new actor and reshoots. That omission alone makes this a piss poor review.
I both love this episode and this channel.
I wish could adopt Worf's strategy 😊 3:52
This one surprised me, its not a fun watch because its so grim but its an extremely important Data episode and its well done.
Filming on this one was rushed because after two days of filming the actor who was originally playing Fajo killed himself.
Hope it wasn’t a Varon-T disruptor
This episode would be instantly solved if there were cameras on the enterprise.
Other than b.s. like 'we can't replicate living blah blah', how are there one-of-a-kind items in a post-scarcity universe that has replicators?
Great episode!
this whole review sounds like two people who absolutely hate star trek, reviewing it so they can mock and belittle every little aspect of the show in a sad attempt to show all those star trek fans how trash the thing they love is. its like that plethora of "abridged" series you see on youtube made by people who hate and misunderstand the concept and the source material.
This is basically the Space 1999 episode Taybor.
A painting still has a rightful owner even if the painter is dead.
However in Star Trek The original series. Kirk came across an immortal being who was Leonardo Devinche... I guess they can return it to him anyways.
@@toddfraser3353
It's in the Louvre.
They redid it later in in the star trek Voyager episode Think Tank
The ultimate nullifier hahaha! Your reviews are so unique, literally the only ones on the internet reviewing each episode of TNG. It´s amazing
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My issues with this episode apply to most of Star Trek; every episode must be packed with weapons fire. It's only season three and I'm overdosing on gunplay and awful alien species makeup jobs. The whole episode was set-up to show someone disintegrate before our eyes after being shot with an alien weapon. I'm going to use my Worf voice, "Enough!".
There are so many elements to episode which you do not address. the most important 1 is whether Data an android tasked with protecting human life is capable of murder. He is .this is where your review should focus and the reasons why?
They are more focused on pretending that they are clever than watching/reviewing the episode. Either that or they really are as dumb as they seem to be.
That weird alien's nostril gold earring was just weird.
Not a bad episode. Not a great episode, but it was okay. C-
60+ episodes in and this is the most I've disagreed with y'all so far.
this episode is great. it went over your head
No shame..!!
Nothing about the brilliant acting...
You weren't supposed to like the collector....
The epicass ending tho..!!
just imagine if they got lore instead
Hail Galactus!
This episode was sad. Data learned about revenge and how to lie
He didn’t lie
Saul Rubinek is awesome as a Nazi hunter in the Amazon Prime show The Hunters. Coincidentally, that show may actually contain the greatest performance by Al Pacino as well.
I dont know... i think the ending rescues this episode, as it quite obvious that data did only learn to kill and also to lie about it. It´s more the fault of later episodes that they never picked on this.
He didn’t lie about. He said something happened in transport. That was technically true.
I guess there is such a thing as a wrong opinion after all
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Honesty I found this episode to be like the episode the hunted where it was just such average TNG. I know people love to really harp on discovery but honestly at discoveys worst it felt like an episode like this and that seemed to only happen once for me. Even the last episode which people really seem to hate was more interesting then this.
I think TV shows from before the advent of 10-14 episode seasons need to be judged a bit differently (not easier or less harsh, but differently). This was back when seasons were 24-26 weeks long, so writing and filming times were a lot more condensed. Your average season of even the better shows on air at the time would have about a third that were really great, another third of decent to mediocre, and then another third of bad to really bad. Discovery on the other hand makes fewer episodes over a much longer period and I think that is why it gets judged a bit more harshly (fwiw I am not a Discovery hater, though I do question some of the directions it takes). Honestly, I think a good way to introduce new generations to TNG would be to take the best 8-9 episodes from each season which is probably quite feasible given the show is episodic in nature and you would not be lost or confused on character arc or development.
Why not focus on positives, rather than exaggerate any negatives whilst giggling like little school girls ffs..!!
I pretty much hate this episode and I almost never say that about TNG😕. S3 is when it gets more consistent but I don’t even bother with this one on the rewatch because the toy collector just irritates me too much. I wanted Data to take him out. I’m in full agreement of your criticism & more. F-
Bad take on this episode
Awful reviews. You both seemed too distracted by the joking around to give any real critical thought to this episode.
This is one of the best Star Trek episodes ever made. For any series. Unsubscribe.
THE best for me! Even 'tho I love it for the wrong reasons............
This was a complete botch of a review but nice effort
Never liked this episode
What a waste of a review. They had nothing interesting to say other than rip apart the episode. Which they like to do so often.
My review of the review, done in the style of your reviews. The Quarantine Blues seemed to be really getting at you.
Even though I enjoyed your review the rating for this episode was so stupid that I gave you a thumbs down. This was a really good episode and you give it an F? F is like completely shitty and unwatchable. So this is among the worst episodes for you? I recommend this episode for those who havent watched it. Dont be discouraged to watch it.
You guys have never dealt with these moral dilemmas I'm sure, hard in your basement