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Kick-ass mini-documentary! I think it interesting u focused on the first wave of techno, but I think the second wave was better, when that acid sound came, techno went stratospheric! That's was when u saw all the clubs go to a more late-night running time. At least all the clubs around me. I was 17 when that time came to be, oh man, I had like 5-6 cassettes all acid genre techno. Then the Belgium years, which was more.... calm techno? Canada with Plastikman,, man I LOVED those years, 88-92 was just CRAZY. EDIT: I know acid house was its own thing, but Acid came from techno, and it was so popular it created its genre! At that time, a lot of DJs didn't have enough media to make an all techno night, unless u were lucky enough to live around Detroit, or maybe Ny or Chi-town. Most djs began their sets with house, then some wild pitch left-field stuff (Roman Ricardo HOT 97 fm would routinely throw in James brown in his sets, lol), then as the late-night came on, it went dark, techno time on. and acid was VERY influential part of that (maybe it was the drugs!). Wheres my time machine???
Here are the mentioned tracks: Richard Davis - Methane Sea Go bananas - Superlife Sharevari - Anumberofnames Soul Sonic Force - Planet Rock Cybotron - Clear Cybotron - Enter Cybotron - Cosmic cars Cybotron - R-9 Cybotron - Deep Space Model 500 - No UFOs Model 500 - Night drive Transmat - Xray Transmat - Lets Go Eddie Flashin Fowlkes - Goodbye Kiss Model 500 - Off to battle Channel One - Technicolor Kevin Saunderson - The groove that won't stop Reese & Santonio - The Sound Reese & Santonio - Force field Nude Photo - Rythim is rythim Rythim is Rhytim - The Dance Rythim is Rhytim - Feel Surreal Rythim is Rhytim - It is what it is Rythim is Rhytim - Strings of life Keynotes - Let's let's let's dance Blake Baxter - Sexuality Blake Baxter - Brave New World Reese - Just want another chance
Before i rant . love the channel,,,,, Controversial indeed . I Feel like this is a matter of perspective depending on where you live ind the world and what you call 'techno'... UK always been more house and rave. leaning towards american sounds same with france. is house the same as techno ? i dont think so personly, techno has a more clear line in germany/holland/belgium from kraftwerk Ralf Hütter playing duck fart sound with his vocoder in 4toothefloor pattern back in the 1970 up til Jam & Spoon stuff that again funny enough is labeled the first trance by many today, perspective is also a matter of age. my generation wanted nothing too do with that cheesy one-shot house style or crazy rave of the 1980-90 (most people never heard of it)., There is a asumtion today that listerners of detroit house sound is the same sphere as the electric 'techno' sound in europe of the late 1980 and 1990 thats not true.. detroit house being a black music movment i dunno. BUT saying techno is . No. Thats simply not true, there where so many small movments all over you can really only label sub-genres , what is techno ? if its 4 to the floor then even the ancient greek songs have that. is it about the sounds/indstruments used ? i don't think soo either. they are just tools and the only thing connecting these early styles and records before the internet.. its the 'vibe' or TONOS as the greeks called it and Tempo. I personly think that the Techno 'vibe' did originate in germany specificly artist from frankfurt and berlin. there were underground movments all over europe in the 1980 and the later huge parties like love parade and 1990 VIVA TV blasting that 'vibe' for all european countrys too see what most europeans considerer Techno . Its all a mater of perspective. for me this was a story of House. not Techno. they are very difrent things in europe,
There was no underground techno movement in Europe in the 80s, what you're referring to is synthpop, electro, industrial, new wave, and later on (in Belgium) newbeat. The Berlin / Frankfurt story is revisionism and anyone looking superficially into it can see it's a fake narrative. Listen for example to the so-called Frankfurt tapes here on yt, e.g. Dorian Gray sets from the 80s, even Sven Vath back then was playing commercial synthpop.
Sadly, in this climate, I fear I'm going to see a ridiculous amount of pushback with that techno being rooted in black history comment. I agree with Kirk: I was there when Atkins, Saunderson, May, Aux 88, hell even Nucleus brought that distinctly electronic sound. I was listening to house already, but techno just took it out there. Shook me to my B-boy core. the future opened up for me, computers, robots, artificial intelligence, all that became VERY real thanks to techno. And as a black kid who grew up in a smaller city in Florida, finding out this music was heavily born from black musicians, made it much better for me to enjoy. Funny because a lot of black people still have no clue that techno was a black movement in the beginning.
@@diamondspear3328 This, people seem to just glance over Kraftwerk and Gershon Kingsley impact like if they had never existed. If anything Kingsleys - Popcorn from 69 and 72? and Kraftwerks - Autobahn from 74 or even Rockpalats (total shit show) are the ones that truly set the initial techno foundations according to me at least. If you guys wanna hear something cool make sure to check out Prelude by Rachmaninov, it has a "cover" recorded on a Variophone in the 30's if we wanna go all the way back to the true origins of electric music xd
@@Cerx I think the problem here is we are talking about techno. Kraftwerk is not techno. It is electronica, experimental for its time, and GREATLY loved by almost every techno afficiano, but it's just not techno. There are a few tracks that can venture into techno territory, but as a whole Kraftwerk is just simply not techno. Techno has simple criteria to be categorized, first and foremost, being dancefloor-oriented. Sure u can dance to Kraftwerk tracks, I was breaking to them back then, but again, just not techno. the vibe is completely different. That's not trying to take anything away from Kraftwerk, it's simply a different vibe and classification, and this vid is all about TECHNO.
@@wwlittlejOfficial Well the thing is that we are talking about two different things. I am considering Kraftwerk to have been the group who laid the ground work for techno to prosper. I do not consider them the makers of what techno is today that is a completely different subject. I really recommend listening to some of the interviews of Derrick May when he goes into more detail on how he, Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson, had their introduction to Kraftwerk and other synthpop bands like Ultravox. And their subsequent influence on the music that would be created by the so called "the Belleville Three."
I grew up in Detroit, and then moved to Italy as an adult. I would mention that I was from Detroit, but I expected my coworkers to not know or to have a bad perception about the city. The reality was the quite the opposite. I distinctly remember that one coworker got very excited when I mentioned where I was from. He went on to talk about traveling to Detroit multiple times with his wife, and they even went for their honeymoon! They apparently met through the techno scene and going to Detroit was a pilgrimage for them. It was really special.
I don't think it's that controversial that the birthplace of techno music is in the black funk scene of Detroit. Certainly, at least minimal techno was from that era. EDIT: That doesn't mean we should discount the input of European synthwave and electronica. Techno is a GLOBAL music after all. But yeah, in terms of time, Juan Atkins and co in Detroit were the first.
I have a different theory. I think it was the 303 and the 606. The instruments influenced the music more than the other artists did. Once artists had ability to speed up beat with instrument, multiple cultures did it.
If it is so controversial, why then necessarily present something as fact after all. Why then does it necessarily have to be labelled as black music here. Or its origin. In my opinion, you can't separate the different styles of electric music so clearly. Here it is called techno, others talk about house and some claim that electronic music as a whole is of black origin. That is pure nonsense. I find it particularly absurd that when Black people draw on existing knowledge or technology, there is no mention of it at all and vice versa, it is then stolen or even worse "cultural appropriation". Why can't be said that black people have made a very big contribution to techno. Why this claim of absoluteness? So much has been developed and emerged simultaneously in different places around the world during this time. What about Roland (Japan). Didn't the developers also contribute something?
I have often wished I still had my original Mirage or my VFX-SD from back in the day. Still got one of the old Fostex 8 track recorders which has developed a few faults over the years but is still pressed into service mixing & recording the output of three custom built modular & semi-modular synth cabinets :-) Always a joy to firkle about with the old school sounds from past times of wonderous experimental discovery.. :-)
This isn't necessarily what I think about today when i remember growing up in the '90s, born in 80. I know these songs, but not burned into my memory. Of course, I missed the boat to become a techno DJ. Now, 25 years later, I still want to be a Techno DJ. I'm just not sure where to start really, besides getting some gear and going at it. Any ideas where to start?
Isn't it strange how Art Forest (to name but one) never gets a mention anywhere? He was there in the very beginning yet seldom gets a name check. If I were him, I would feel somewhat bitter and rightly so.
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Kick-ass mini-documentary! I think it interesting u focused on the first wave of techno, but I think the second wave was better, when that acid sound came, techno went stratospheric! That's was when u saw all the clubs go to a more late-night running time. At least all the clubs around me. I was 17 when that time came to be, oh man, I had like 5-6 cassettes all acid genre techno. Then the Belgium years, which was more.... calm techno? Canada with Plastikman,, man I LOVED those years, 88-92 was just CRAZY.
EDIT: I know acid house was its own thing, but Acid came from techno, and it was so popular it created its genre! At that time, a lot of DJs didn't have enough media to make an all techno night, unless u were lucky enough to live around Detroit, or maybe Ny or Chi-town. Most djs began their sets with house, then some wild pitch left-field stuff (Roman Ricardo HOT 97 fm would routinely throw in James brown in his sets, lol), then as the late-night came on, it went dark, techno time on. and acid was VERY influential part of that (maybe it was the drugs!). Wheres my time machine???
Without music samples it's not really informative...
Here are the mentioned tracks:
Richard Davis - Methane Sea
Go bananas - Superlife
Sharevari - Anumberofnames
Soul Sonic Force - Planet Rock
Cybotron - Clear
Cybotron - Enter
Cybotron - Cosmic cars
Cybotron - R-9
Cybotron - Deep Space
Model 500 - No UFOs
Model 500 - Night drive
Transmat - Xray
Transmat - Lets Go
Eddie Flashin Fowlkes - Goodbye Kiss
Model 500 - Off to battle
Channel One - Technicolor
Kevin Saunderson - The groove that won't stop
Reese & Santonio - The Sound
Reese & Santonio - Force field
Nude Photo - Rythim is rythim
Rythim is Rhytim - The Dance
Rythim is Rhytim - Feel Surreal
Rythim is Rhytim - It is what it is
Rythim is Rhytim - Strings of life
Keynotes - Let's let's let's dance
Blake Baxter - Sexuality
Blake Baxter - Brave New World
Reese - Just want another chance
Amazing story. Thanks Kirk for your epic memory
Great video! Thank you for all this information
Can you do the history of IDM plz
Before i rant . love the channel,,,,,
Controversial indeed . I Feel like this is a matter of perspective depending on where you live ind the world and what you call 'techno'... UK always been more house and rave. leaning towards american sounds same with france. is house the same as techno ? i dont think so personly, techno has a more clear line in germany/holland/belgium from kraftwerk Ralf Hütter playing duck fart sound with his vocoder in 4toothefloor pattern back in the 1970 up til Jam & Spoon stuff that again funny enough is labeled the first trance by many today, perspective is also a matter of age. my generation wanted nothing too do with that cheesy one-shot house style or crazy rave of the 1980-90 (most people never heard of it)., There is a asumtion today that listerners of detroit house sound is the same sphere as the electric 'techno' sound in europe of the late 1980 and 1990 thats not true.. detroit house being a black music movment i dunno. BUT saying techno is . No. Thats simply not true, there where so many small movments all over you can really only label sub-genres , what is techno ? if its 4 to the floor then even the ancient greek songs have that. is it about the sounds/indstruments used ? i don't think soo either. they are just tools and the only thing connecting these early styles and records before the internet.. its the 'vibe' or TONOS as the greeks called it and Tempo. I personly think that the Techno 'vibe' did originate in germany specificly artist from frankfurt and berlin. there were underground movments all over europe in the 1980 and the later huge parties like love parade and 1990 VIVA TV blasting that 'vibe' for all european countrys too see what most europeans considerer Techno . Its all a mater of perspective. for me this was a story of House. not Techno. they are very difrent things in europe,
There was no underground techno movement in Europe in the 80s, what you're referring to is synthpop, electro, industrial, new wave, and later on (in Belgium) newbeat. The Berlin / Frankfurt story is revisionism and anyone looking superficially into it can see it's a fake narrative. Listen for example to the so-called Frankfurt tapes here on yt, e.g. Dorian Gray sets from the 80s, even Sven Vath back then was playing commercial synthpop.
Sadly, in this climate, I fear I'm going to see a ridiculous amount of pushback with that techno being rooted in black history comment. I agree with Kirk: I was there when Atkins, Saunderson, May, Aux 88, hell even Nucleus brought that distinctly electronic sound. I was listening to house already, but techno just took it out there. Shook me to my B-boy core. the future opened up for me, computers, robots, artificial intelligence, all that became VERY real thanks to techno. And as a black kid who grew up in a smaller city in Florida, finding out this music was heavily born from black musicians, made it much better for me to enjoy. Funny because a lot of black people still have no clue that techno was a black movement in the beginning.
Kraftwerk
@@diamondspear3328 This, people seem to just glance over Kraftwerk and Gershon Kingsley impact like if they had never existed. If anything Kingsleys - Popcorn from 69 and 72? and Kraftwerks - Autobahn from 74 or even Rockpalats (total shit show) are the ones that truly set the initial techno foundations according to me at least.
If you guys wanna hear something cool make sure to check out Prelude by Rachmaninov, it has a "cover" recorded on a Variophone in the 30's if we wanna go all the way back to the true origins of electric music xd
I agree with the video mostly.
@@Cerx I think the problem here is we are talking about techno. Kraftwerk is not techno. It is electronica, experimental for its time, and GREATLY loved by almost every techno afficiano, but it's just not techno. There are a few tracks that can venture into techno territory, but as a whole Kraftwerk is just simply not techno. Techno has simple criteria to be categorized, first and foremost, being dancefloor-oriented. Sure u can dance to Kraftwerk tracks, I was breaking to them back then, but again, just not techno. the vibe is completely different. That's not trying to take anything away from Kraftwerk, it's simply a different vibe and classification, and this vid is all about TECHNO.
@@wwlittlejOfficial Well the thing is that we are talking about two different things. I am considering Kraftwerk to have been the group who laid the ground work for techno to prosper. I do not consider them the makers of what techno is today that is a completely different subject.
I really recommend listening to some of the interviews of Derrick May when he goes into more detail on how he, Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson, had their introduction to Kraftwerk and other synthpop bands like Ultravox. And their subsequent influence on the music that would be created by the so called "the Belleville Three."
I grew up in Detroit, and then moved to Italy as an adult. I would mention that I was from Detroit, but I expected my coworkers to not know or to have a bad perception about the city. The reality was the quite the opposite.
I distinctly remember that one coworker got very excited when I mentioned where I was from. He went on to talk about traveling to Detroit multiple times with his wife, and they even went for their honeymoon! They apparently met through the techno scene and going to Detroit was a pilgrimage for them. It was really special.
I don't think it's that controversial that the birthplace of techno music is in the black funk scene of Detroit. Certainly, at least minimal techno was from that era.
EDIT: That doesn't mean we should discount the input of European synthwave and electronica. Techno is a GLOBAL music after all. But yeah, in terms of time, Juan Atkins and co in Detroit were the first.
I have a different theory. I think it was the 303 and the 606. The instruments influenced the music more than the other artists did. Once artists had ability to speed up beat with instrument, multiple cultures did it.
If it is so controversial, why then necessarily present something as fact after all. Why then does it necessarily have to be labelled as black music here. Or its origin. In my opinion, you can't separate the different styles of electric music so clearly. Here it is called techno, others talk about house and some claim that electronic music as a whole is of black origin. That is pure nonsense.
I find it particularly absurd that when Black people draw on existing knowledge or technology, there is no mention of it at all and vice versa, it is then stolen or even worse "cultural appropriation".
Why can't be said that black people have made a very big contribution to techno. Why this claim of absoluteness?
So much has been developed and emerged simultaneously in different places around the world during this time. What about Roland (Japan). Didn't the developers also contribute something?
I expected to hear some tracks from that era.
Great job Kirk detroit loves u and your music
I have often wished I still had my original Mirage or my VFX-SD from back in the day. Still got one of the old Fostex 8 track recorders which has developed a few faults over the years but is still pressed into service mixing & recording the output of three custom built modular & semi-modular synth cabinets :-) Always a joy to firkle about with the old school sounds from past times of wonderous experimental discovery.. :-)
I remember A Number of Names - Sharevari from back in the day, but not the other two, which are interesting, but not up to snuff.
This isn't necessarily what I think about today when i remember growing up in the '90s, born in 80. I know these songs, but not burned into my memory. Of course, I missed the boat to become a techno DJ. Now, 25 years later, I still want to be a Techno DJ. I'm just not sure where to start really, besides getting some gear and going at it. Any ideas where to start?
This video deserves more views!
Isn't it strange how Art Forest (to name but one) never gets a mention anywhere? He was there in the very beginning yet seldom gets a name check. If I were him, I would feel somewhat bitter and rightly so.
Yesss going to have to play this a hundred more times.
that is real video :D
🖤
Motor city techno 👍🏻
another great video from SA
What a legend, great stuff kirk!
wtf black music bruh techno was invented in belgium
😂 yeah & french was invented in canada
@@4udioFour american techno sounds like shit atleast we know how to make techno