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EVGA G6
1500w be quiet and the 1600w corsair. To be honest tho I'd really love it if you did this for the full gamut of PSUs like you do with cases.
Could you review the Corsair RMx series (2018 & 2021)?
msi psus
Corsair TX 650M ( Btw i currently use one)
I’m so happy you guys are getting into psus. I used to only trust johnyguru for psu reviews but they haven’t really been doing stuff for a few years now. You guys are the only UA-cam channel I’d trust the same way as johnyguru.
Thanks! Jon has been advising us a lot on testing and has been extremely helpful in guiding us in the right direction to improve accuracy and data collection.
Ares from techpowerup is another good place to read PSU reviews
Ares is also doing tests for Tom's Hardware, kit guru and others but he's only one man lol we definitely need even more reviewers of his caliber. Please get into ITX units too Steve.
@@beyondspecs9401 Allan 'Zardon' Campbell is the PSU reviewer at kitguru
@@ReZel80657 No doubt but Aris did reviews for them too. I am sure, google it.
Corsair CXf, TX, PX, RMx. Just want to see the difference.
Seasonic Focus GX, Focus +, PRIME units.
To add to this, compare the newer and older RMx. I have a newer 2021 rmx850. Some people really like the older variant since the fan is apparently quieter.
there's also VS and CV to add to the list of Corsair
This. I tend to use the RM or HX levels myself, depending on what the pricing is doing at the time.
Also interested to hear these. A lot of my friends hail Corsair as king and I'm suspicious.
I always hear that Seasonic is king (and I have a bit of bias in their favor too) and want to hear more objective data about their products.
Definitely curious about the Corsair TX series. They are A tier on the pc cultists psu list but are some of the cheapest compared to the others in that tier.
I really want to see Cooler Master's power supplies and Corsair's CV series in future content. They are really well priced and might be a great choice for budget builders.
I would like to see some cooler master V series vs MWE series as well
CV series is only rated for 30c ambient temperature, and you're supposed to derate by 10% if the ambient temperature (or temperature inside case if mounted with fan inside) goes above that. @Gamers Nexus maybe factor temperature in your calculations if you include such power supplies in comparisons.
The CV series are group regulated so they have piss poor voltage regulation
You don't want to see the CV series, they are awful. The CX series are far better units. Basically any Corsair PSU with a "V" in the name should be avoided - they are all 10+ year old designs and things have moved on a lot in that time for PSU's - double forward is a big improvement, and the CX being a fairly budget PSU with LLC is actually very impressive.
corsair CV is trash
There’s no end to PSUs to examine so go wild! I enjoy the batch reporting, 5+ psus per video is something I could enjoy consistently if you’re able to work that but no pressure.
For voltage regulation, consider measuring load step regulation: how quickly the rail voltage recovers and stabilizes from a 10-90% stepped load.
That would be cool.
I would also like to see the efficiency for the actual output.Like 50% at 50 W 90% at 500 W …
Would be extremely helpful to compare a 550 W PSUs with a cheap 750 W PSUs @ 550 W that might run at its max efficiency. These percentage charts can already be found everywhere.
Absolutely. Record the current spikes and voltage droops from regular surges in gpu usage with test equipment in line with the 12V system. Or just use the test equipment to execute a predetermined torture test with huge swings in current (maintaining distance from OCP, OPP, etc.) and just absolutely beat the shit out of the psu.
anything EVGA ranks last with this, garbage PSUs
PSUs that come with a case, like the NZXT H1 or the one Lian Li bundles with their O11 Dynamic Mini, would be nice to see, so buyers can tell if the combo is a good idea. And please keep mentioning the suppliers for each unit, maybe even do a comparison of different branded PSUs that come from the same supplier, like comparing a higher end EVGA unit (supplied by Super Flower) to the equivalent Super Flower model.
Reminds me of those shit-tier PSUs that come with $20 cases. I've had a dozen or so of those die or malfunction on me lel.
@@blakegriplingph I'm not sure their fire insurance company will allow them to review those, too much chance of burning the building down. :)
I'm nrever trusting PSUs bundled with anything
Came here to say the same thing!
@@marcogenovesi8570 Smart man!
7:18 To clarify: double forward topology refers to primary side of power supply. DC-DC or group regulation refer to secondary side of power supply. Hence those are unrelated, you can have either combination. It does happen of course that double forward PSUs in this test are indeed DC-DC.
Yeah, i presume he knew that but he certainly put it badly lol
Can't wait to see the discrepancy what they are rated at and what other popular supplies are showing during testing. No one else is really doing PSU testing as much anymore. Appreciate the PSU content GN!
I would love to see a roundup of 'with the case' supplies - the CM Masterwatt, TT Litepower, Antec Eco, etc etc etc. Most of them are complete junk (Antec used to be an OK Seasonic OEM) and it seems people still arent getting the message, still, that they arent up to close to what they are rated.
Also all your tests only tested LOAD regulation - it would be great to see you get a variac (maybe even an noise injector) and test LINE regulation (ie how does it handle your power going from 130V to 110V, which are still within spec, or even a brownout to 90V). Some test of 240V efficiency would be great too, i have no doubt you have a 240V outlet you can test from. Efficiency at 240 and 120 are VERY different (generally much better at 240V).
I second this, but for the budget cases that come with 250-400W PSUs. Sometimes it is nice to just buy a simple case with simple PSU just to slap in a Pentium or Athlon for a super basic PC.
They might have 208 or 220, 240, like how its set up in Europe isn't common in North America.
@@J-1410 It is common in commercial and industrial buildings.
@@Ravenousjoe 240 in a different way, yes, as in two hots, yes.
240, like in europe with 3 prongs, one hot(at 240), one neutral and one ground, I,m not even finding a standard in NEMA or similar. I'd be curious to know what it is though, if it exists.
@@J-1410 I'm not sure what you mean, 240VAC is 240VAC.
I would like to see a round-up of a few of the highest-end PSUs on the market to get a good picture of the range between the highest end and the low end. I also think you should continue mentioning the OEMs precisely because from a consumer protection point of view if any issues consistently come up in the product stack of any given brand, they could be using multiple suppliers; however, if issues come up consistently within the OEM, you can call them out. From a value perspective, many consumers (even myself at times) are subject to the "Noctua effect" where a brand is believed to never do wrong, and it leads to a "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" mindset, so you gravitate towards those products, even if they aren't necessarily the best choice. In the PSU world, that is Seasonic. I have seen so many people recommend non-Seasonic branded PSUs because Seasonic is the OEM. I'm not expecting you to find some spectacular garbage Seasonic PSUs, but we know other companies make outstanding PSUs, and it would be good to put it out there to clear the air.
+ 1 on 'non-Seasonic branded PSUs because Seasonic is the OEM'
I love to see you actually walking us through a test using the test equipment that you now have. The way you come to the judgment is a path worth watching not just the kit your testing.
I'd love to see more EVGA PSUs, especially the new "5" series (B5/G5) that is replacing the famous B3/G3 series. Would love to see the difference and/or why EVGA went from the 3 to 5 series.
Also there really high end stuff would be cool, to see what you really get from a $700 PSU.
I went overkill on my EVGA GQ+ 1000w. Wanted to keep my 5800X and 3070TI fed, and keep it for future uses. I enjoy what I've experienced from EVGA.
@@DeathWishes677 problem is, even if you have enough high quality power, the plug standards are changing with 16-pin plugs which don't exist on anything but the newest PSUs.
@@DeathWishes677 good call. That should protect you from transient loads (peak power usage) on your gpu and not shut down like 750 and 850 watt units tend to do with rtx 30 and 40 series.
When using higher end parts, it's best to over provision your power supply to keep peak wattage from tripping opp on psus.
Have any idea if the evga supernova GS 650w version is good nowadays?
Here in LATAM the Redragon RPGS 600w 80+ bronze model gc-ps002 is becoming a popular PSU. And if anyone is wondering the 80+ bronze is the standard over here, it is rare to see 80+ silver or gold in hardware stores.
LATAM- latin america (so you don't have to google like i did)
those guys make psus now? i got one of their mice the better part of 10 years back, it was... not great.
+1 on this, everywhere I see this Reddragon branded PSUs, a test on these would be nice to see if they are actually any good in comparison with the usual brands
nah just buy seasonic, and in latam at least in argentina there is a lot of gold psus and more... the thing is they're pretty expensive xd
perhaps reviews for SFX form factor PSUs would be nice. Since manufacturers have less space to work with, it would be interesting how they vary.
Great request! Saw another comment also asking for that, so we've already added it to the list!
2nd this one. With people trying to cram hedt-level hardware in sub 10L cases (which is awesome), this would be amazing data to have.
@@GamersNexus Nice! Excited to see it. I heard that SFX PSUs have less "protections" because of their form size. However, the source for this is a little "bro science" so would be great having some actual tests on it.
I'd be interested in the Cooler Master SFX V850 which seems to be the only small form factor psu with a 850W capacity
Would love to see some be quiet series tested. Personally have a Straight Power 11 750W in use that I have no idea how good or bad it actually is.
I, too, use the be quiet PSU's since 2011. Have a Pure Power 11 550W in my mini-server and a dark power 12 850W in my personal build
It's in the top bracket of quality modern PSUs. You purchased wisely!
Just a heads up: Although 750W is enough power for any available GPU (bar the new 3090 Ti), high-end 30 series cards such as the RTX 3090 can trip the Over Current Protection (OCP) in some games. Also known to occur with some 850W PSUs and many Seagate units, even though they are of high quality. This has to do with the 'high-transient loads/spikes' of high-end RTX 30 series cards, which could momentarily push the PSU over the thresholds and trip the protections. At a maximum, an RTX 3080 (320W) SHOULD be fine for your unit, though YMMV. Anything below that wattage, including an RX 6900XT and below, should work well and for years to come. Two friends of mine have Enermax Revolution DF 850W (excellent PSUs) in their systems. One has a 3080 Ti from Zotac which has had no issues thus far, however the other has a reference RTX 3090, which needed a small undervolt not to crash with COD: CW/Warzone.
@Turkey Jeff sounds like you have enough information for all of us 😂
It should be tier 1. Your at the best tier.
You guys should also measure the fan noise of these, load normalized.
PSU fan is the loudest unit in my rig and I have 8 fans(2 120mm for GPU, case fan swapped, 2 120mm forCPU, 3 140mm and 1 120mm for case) exclude PSU fan. Having semi passive mode PSU absolutely helps.
Signed. It's anecdotal, but around 2012 got a Corsair CX which shortly after developed unbearable fan bearing noise. Sent it for an rma, got the replacement, after a couple of weeks same fan bearing noise. Said "screw it", got a Seasonic which to this day is powering my second system and is dead silent.
@@D4L41L4M4 Mine was a 500w not even 80+ bronze certified unit and that thing was freaking loud. I didn't notice it being that loud until I start swapping out each fans in my case with Arctic fans.
I got a 850w EVGA G5 which was made by FSP, that PSU has passive mode so fan only kicks in at 20% load. But the moment it kicks in it's multiple times louder than my entire system.
I RMAed that thing and got the exact same problem so they upgraded mine into a G6 which is a Seasonic unit. The passive fan now kicks in at 40% and I've never reached that load so can't test out if that'll happen.
Great stuff! Would love to see testing of some of the more popular units on the PSU Cultist list in the "low priority units" category like EVGA BR units, Gamdias Kratos P1A, Any of the Aresgame units. Maybe some of the better units like the MSI MPG A-GF units in Tier A - put that to the test :)
Aresgame prices seem a bit to good to be true… have you had any experience with them?
@@idleoutcaster I have a 1000 watt Aresgame, and haven't had any problems with it. I don't push it to its limit, so I can't speak to peak it's efficiency, but it serves me just fine.
@@idleoutcaster Gamer Nexus made a video about aresgame psu
Aresgame was already tested: ua-cam.com/video/EmeFRtoiIrQ/v-deo.html
I'd love to see the evga 750w G5 reviewed. I am pushing a tiachi 6800xt and an r7 5800x. I think the wattage is a little low for that gpu/cpu combo, but I haven't had any issues this far. I'm wondering if bumping to an 850w would see any benefits, or if the 750w will stand the test of time being pushed hard
Great start, rare to see such thorough PSU testing. I'd like to see how the Corsair RMx series performs. The older editions supposedly suffered coil whine. Corsair updated them last year.
i have one of the new ones and i havent had any issues with coil whine so im pretty sure that was a large part of the revision
Got my RMx in 2014 or 2015. And it does whine.
Got one last year and have none, but that's only one data point
@@JohannVillmann i have a regular rm750 and no whine at all… Weird !
@@Aerialwese14 which version? I just bought the 2021 version and no whine from it, but there's a 2019 version as well, and it's hard to tell them apart other than the label and I think warranty period.
Honestly you can never go wrong with seasonic IMO as they are specialized in power supplies. I have asus PSU but if I remember correctly, it's actually made by seasonic. And it's been working really well. Seems like very high quality to me.
Great video! I would like to see these top tier power supplies face off:
-Corsair RM1000x
-Corsair HX1000
-BitFenix Whisper 850w
-Main Gear Ignition 1000w
I am especially interested in the Main Gear PSU.
If I'm right, Corsair buys most of their psu components from Seasonic, which has a 10 year warranty. I just purchaced a Seasonic 850 , haven't got it yet. From what I understand, they are the goat. Love to have feedback. Ciao.
@@chefdeth7993 Corsair does get some/most of their components from Seasonic since they are the premier psu supplier.
I ended up buying the BitFenix Whisper M 850w and am running a 6950xt OC and a 5950x. Basically my setup calls for a 1,000w psu but it's running perfectly with an 850w psu.
Bitfenix whisper is my recommendation for sure!
I don't know how feasible it would be, but it would be interesting to see data on used power supplies to see if their claimed efficiencies hold up over the years
Yeah, a lot of people don't know that PSUs output less over time. I can't count how many people would ask me if I knew what to do about a black screen when they play games when everything had been working great for years. It's almost always the PSU going bad. Works great in Windows, but launch a certain game, and BAM... black screen. And then it gets worse after that.
@@alienrenders would it help if you clean your PSU ?
@@DrSmugface DO NOT open a psu unless you are 100% confident you know EXACTLY what you are doing
“Should I reuse my old psu” is a question most of us just guess at..
Would be interesting to have some high end powersupplys in the chart.
The BeQuiet dark power pro series or some from seasonic for example.
As they are often promoted by UA-camrs.
Working on it!
The Corsair AX1500i comes to mind. I'd like to see how it compares to some of the other high ends, as it is what is installed in my system. Yeah yeah I know My PSU is way too big, but it was supposed to be a dual Vega system.
If this is the year of PSU and Fan reviews from GN, then there is finally some good news that we can start to look forward to! It has been a rough couple years, but this is finally something in the tech world that I can actually get excited about. Thanks GN!
I have an EVGA BQ 600 in my system for over 5 years now it has worked extremely well zero issues and powering a lot of hardware, an M2, an SSD, + 3 3TB HDs, it's quiet and solid.
We already know EVGA, Asus, Corsair, Seasonic etc etc have generally well made PSUs. I think it would be of best value to review less known and those very cheap PSU brands such as Coolmax, Apevia,Silverstone, and Raidmax to name a few.
Great work GN!
Silverstone would be interesting due to their sfx and sfx-l lineup
Silverstone is a cheapo brand these days?
@@ffnbbq they have very cheap low end psus, and it would be cool to see them tested to see if they’re actually good
I have a Zelman 650 bronze PSU. Runs my R7 3800x and gtx 1060 3GB 1080p minecraft gaming machine xD
not really, on the lower end they also make barely working PSUs
Please include testing of transient loads! Seasonic got screwed, as you know, with the large transient loads from Nvidia GPUs tripping their protection. Testing with GPUs appropriate for the PSU's power output will give some pass/fail real-world data.
I asked the same. Been wondering how true it is.
If I've learned anything from Buildzoid, transients are the make or break of stability. Probably good idea to ask his opinion on which PSU test might be important.
Also test if any of the current PSUs can already meet the ATX 3.0 standard for transient loads.
same issue with cooler master sfx i got , it was replaced but same issue it automatically procs the voltage protection. so i setteled with a more expensive corsair sfx plattinum
Thing is, the problem with Seasonic Prime PSUs isn't exactly in transients, transients trip OCP, latching off the PSU (you can't start it right back up), Prime doesn't latch off, it's a design flaw. The GPU feeds back the noise (ripple) on the 12V v-sense lead (one of the pins on 24-pin connector supplying the voltage reading back to the PSU so it can compensate the drop), and Seasonic haven't thought about filtering said noise, which results in the PSU's logic being thrown off the rails. The only way to reproduce said noise without the GPU on hands is by using a signal generator but they're even more expensive than consumer GPUs.
So happy to see this, and with such depth and detail. It seems like power supplies are one of the most, if not the most neglected component in pcs. Motherboards, CPUs, and graphics cards seem to be the most covered everywhere else, and you guys do great work with cases, fans, and heatsinks, so I’m glad power supplies are finally getting a spotlight. Information and reviews on them are so hard to find. When I took a computer to a local guy to diagnose it (ended up being a dead motherboard) where he nitpicked, bashed, and condescended every component of my build including the power supply where I heard for the first time the alien words like “ripple” and “droop.” My first thought was, “you motherfu-“ but my immediate next thought was, “wait, what? How do you know? How am _I_ supposed to know?”
In short this is greatly appreciated and desperately needed info, and couldn’t come from a better channel.
So glad to see PSU reviews. It's next to impossible to get really good data on current PSUs and I'm very happy to have a good source.
Like everyone else THANK YOU for this PSU work. My house has 4 gamers and since those systems are older I have had to replace several PSU's lately. ALL of them were sourced from EVGA and its the one thing that scares me the most about building. (done about 6-7 system builds now) There is so much noise on this subject it makes it hard to really get a grip on what is important and what we should be looking for. To be honest I care less about efficiency rather I care about component longevity and don't want to see my 80$-200$ PSU take out my 4000$ system because it had a bad day. Again love your work and thank you for helping to make this hobby better for everyone.
I'd be interested to see how sfx PSUs hold up against their regular atx counterparts. I love SFF PCs and am wondering if I perhaps give up efficiency or quietness by buying a small power supply. Atm I'm using an hdplex 400w ac-dc psu, which is very quiet in terms of fan noise, but an absolute nightmare with coil whine.
I had the coil whine problem with my dc-atx model but I just sent it back in and got a new one. I never experienced any whine from my ac-dc unit. You should probably send it in. I do agree having them review HDPLEXs' PSUs would be awesome though
I want to see the Seasonic Focus sfx psu’s
Agreed
I’d like to see the Corsair SFX PSU’s tested too :-)
The answer is a definitive yes that they have to make compromises, but I would love to see this too
Hi Steve. When I was putting my current system together, I looked for the most upvoted PSU in my country (Egypt). Needless to say, given the financial state here, the most important aspect in any product is basically value for money. After a very long search I went with the Bitfenix Whisper 750 80+Gold Modular PSU. It has not been a bad experience so far, but am really curious on how such a decently priced product (at least where I live) puts up against competition. I have also paired it with a Bitfenix Case (Dawn TG) as it was one of the very few cases that would support a 280mm AIO (X62 in this case that I bought based on your recommendations). Thanks so much for such a fantastic effort that's put for the sake of the consumer in this pretty huge industry that would be otherwise much more confusing. Cheers.
As someone who have been building PCs for more than 25 years, I would love to see the "80+ white - W1 and W2" models from EVGA.
Where I live those are basically the best seller budget PSU.
They are also the only known brand selling around this part at that price point. Of course I would also like the top tiers from Corsair, Seasonic, Enermax, DeepCool and Cougar.
Thank you!!!
I want to see you test the Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, or really any of the Be Quiet! PSUs. I don't see them get a whole lot of attention review-wise, I'm currently using a 750W 80-Plus Platinum version right now in my build (which is half a year old), but I usually see the PSU getting three or four stars on Newegg. I'd like to know what might be responsible for that.
I got the Be Quiet! 600 Pure Power 11 (Gold) a couple of years ago that would fit into this group. No problems so far, but it would be nice to see it in this comparison.
had one of the be quite straight power 11s fail after like 2 months and be quite refused to provide a shipping label to send it in even though it failed freaking fast had to spend 30 shipping it in
I’m curious with these psu’s as well. Usually have been near the top in performance and quality. Would be interesting even if they are usually priced a bit more
Bought the Be Quiet System Power 9 600W a year ago at only 40$. In my opinion it can't be beat. Best on the market at it's price range. It's quite literally inaudible at 12 dB. Paired it with a Thermaltake Riing Silent cooler (13 dB).. spun it up and placed my ear next to it. Felt the cool breeze, but not a single damn sound to be found. All silent. Best purchase I ever made.
I agree. Especially since Be Quiet just dropped new PSUs.
Would love to see a comparison between EVGA's 650-850W Gold supplies, since there's something like 5 different models in that wattage and efficiency bracket and the differences aren't very apparent.
The G2 and G3s were Superflower Leadex 2 and 3 units - both superb. The G4 was a cwt unit if i remember rightly, and i can't remember who makes the g5, but neither of the latter ones have anything like the reputation that the G2 and G3 units had. This is the big problem with the PSU market, you can't actually trust a brand becuase the oem often changes between models, and sometimes there are more than 1 oem making the same model. So reviews of each model are very important for making the right decision. Look at Corsair. I would rather have poored petrol into my pc and lit it than fit an older Corsair PSU, but these days the CX are excellent base models, and the RMx (2019 onwards) models are really really good. They changed oem, tweaked designs and came back with really good units where once they were famous for being hot garbage.
@@malphadour I remember when 10 years ago, i was talked out of getting a CWT-built Corsair by a store rep. They just said "horrible coil whine".
Got myself a Bequiet L7-630 back then, which was a little risk, given it's built by HEC rather than FSP, but reviewers didn't find anything too badly wrong with it. It lived for 9 years, until the 5VSB line gave up. Was powering a 160W overclocked Phenom II X6 and a GTX295 for the first few years of its life.
Please take a look at the bequiet system power 9 line of PSUs
Decent PSUs, though the 230V versions are slightly lesser. A good choice for a mid-range system and overall ranks just below the Corsair CX-650/CX-650M in this video.
differences between psus from one line. for example be quiet! pure power vs. straight power vs. dark power.
in general i would like to see some be quiet! psus tested.
i get the feeling this channel is getting to the point where it is the most educational in pc building out there. even better: companys can finally be held responsible and a lot of good changes already occured in the industry because of this channel. i love it.
I would be really interested to see how power spec (microcenter in house brand) power supplies do. Micro center tends to be a go to among the community if there is access to one so they seem like something a lot of people might think about.
Yeah, but here, he's testing PSUs that are actually available worldwide, not only in US, so it may be interesting for US viewers , but not EU viewers.
@@t3amb4sh They are available on amazon and other resellers as well.
Also I think the value is there because microcenter has been sponsor and a recommended merchant from most tech youtubers. So testing out their products is a way to keep relationships balanced and give the viewers a valid comparison.
I caught a EVGA G3 550 last year for 40 dollars. I see PSUs have gone back up to normal prices since the start of the year.
Same but got a g6 650.
@@Cxs1a3 The G3 is better than a G6(even though it is a seasonic unit). They are Superflower Leadex units, things of legend :)
Great comparison, I like how you say New Egg, surprised you guys still use them after your investigation and interview with them. Enjoyable and informative as usual, thanks for sharing!
This is the psu content i was looking for
I build and repair a ton of PCs at work and these are some of my most reliable PSUs: Fractal Design Ion+ 660P, EVGA 650 P5, be quiet! Straight Power 11 650W, and the Seasonic FOCUS PX-650. I'd love to see a head-to-head test against these good platinum ~650W units as I think they are the best for most use cases.
Hey GN, long time fan of the channel here (but had pretty low DB until now xD). I'd love to see some testing of both Cougar and lower end Thermaltake power supplies, specifically the Cougar BXM 700 and Tt Litepower RGB. When i first bought a cheap Tt years ago for my RX480, it gave all sorts of crashing problems to intricately coloured screens. After returning it and buying a Corsair RMx, it was def to do with that power supply. Steered clear of Tt since but would like to know if they're worthwhile, especially since EVGA, Seasonic and Fractal power supplies here in Australia are either non existent or extremely expensive. Hopefully you can involve this in your testing suite in the future.
haha @ the dB and fan comment. Took me a second! Noted. We have some low-end TT ones on the way!
@@GamersNexus hahaha glad you got the joke eventually 😌 would really want to see a roundup of the best super-budget (below $50) power supplies, including ones from Redragon and GameMax off Amazon
TT litepower are legendarily bad. Toughpower have always been fine. I have always stuck supplies with Seasonic as the OEM (they make heaps of brands), never been let down
@@GamersNexus definitely look into SuperFlower, they went from the "EVGA" PSU you get on the cheap, to the PSU you get when you're "a man of culture..." and want the best :-b
Had 2 Cougar branded PSUs explode in the past. Avoid like the plague.
I have been using a 850watt AGK Ares Gaming Power Supply with great success, definitely a budget PSU at 79.99.
I'm glad to see this finally come to fruition, over the years since the 90s I have had power supply failures in computers I've put together and its always been hard to get any objective data about quality, especially when dealing with the more budget friendly end of the market, the information from manufacturers is, er, fanciful at best and opinions on forums might as well be random unless you see a major trend. At least with some consistant testing we might hope that in time a reasonable judgement at the best buy in a group might at least be possible and lead to a reasonable chance the PSU will last - given that it is the one PC component that is most likely to move from build to build.
Great job guys, the addition of noise/fan levels and thermals will be great.
Would also love to see the addition of SFX testing as well. Would love to see if your sacrificing efficiency when going to a smaller form factor.
A roundup of SFX PSUs would be pretty great to see as a lot of cases are offering the option of using an SFX or ATX PSU like the NR200.
I always tend to recommend EVGA G2, G3 or GQ series typically around 650W, since I have an assumption that those are good PSU at different pricepoints, and I have only had good experiences. I might very well be wrong, and would love to be educated. Also on another note I was pleased to see that none of the tested PSU's seemed to have serious flaws. Good job! Cant' wait to see more PSU stuff from GN.
It's always great to see more coverage of power supplies, and so I really appreciate what you're doing here. One thing I really hope you do take a look at is some of the budget EVGA units; EVGA does not send any of their budget units to reviewers, so given your resources, I'm hoping that you may be able to shed more light on them. This is especially true given how popular they tend to be. They all claim to have the full suite of protections, but as you pointed out, protections don't matter if they aren't set reasonably. I look forward to other protections being tested in the future as well.
There is already one of them in this video. Did you have another one you wanted us to specifically look at?
@@GamersNexus One of the supernova series (GT, G6,GA,P6 all similar price range).
@@GamersNexus Also some be quiet PSUs (pure,straight power).
@@paulf1557 had one of the be quite straight power 11s fail after like 2 months and be quite refused to provide a shipping label to send it in even though it fails freaking fast had to spend 30 shipping it in.
@@GamersNexus The BR and BP, mainly. Essentially the "lower end than BQ/B5 but still independently regulated" units. Honestly rather difficult to keep track of, since they have so many SKUs. They appear for such a low price so often, they claim a full suite of protections... but at the same time, there isn't really any information on it, aside from a teardown of the BR which raises more questions than it answers.
Regardless of what you test, I'm really happy that you are getting into power supplies. This is a component that gets overlooked so often, so it's great to have people such as yourself dispelling a lot of the misconceptions that people have.
I'd like to see the EVGA units made by Super Flower compared to the newer EVGA units made by FSP. Right now I'd rather go to newegg (yep) and buy a Super Flower as opposed to one of the newer EVGA P3, P6, or G5 units.
EVGA Super flower G2, P2, T2 have the lowest ripple
💪Super Flower
The G6 models are a good return to form for EVGA, they are a seasonic unit and are better than the Superflowers in some ways (just becuase they are a 5 year newer design) but don't quite match the legendary ripple levels of the G2, however they are still very good and a hell of a lot better than the FSP units.
I've been using Powerspec PSU's from Micro Center for years, probably over a dozen builds. Never had one die. Would be interesting to see those tested.
This! This, is the reason I chose to support GN on Patreon, back when Steve said they were starting to investigate PSU-testing. I my oppinion, I think this is the absolute most important component of your system and until now, horrible underrepresentated in YT-review channel reviews... as far as I know...
I'm very much looking forward to see future videos and this was a very good start!
Thanks Steve and team - my Patreon money have never been wasted - but now it's perfect! (though I'm very curious what you'll do next in terms of upping the level of testing hardware on YT!)
So excited to see a PSU addition to the reviews. Was considering an 850 watt PSU for my build and was considering a Corsair RM850X supply. Would be awesome to see a review on this unit
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I have a couple of ideas for your consideration:
- Seeing that they are flooding the market, it would be interesting to see how the cheaper end perform, namely offerings from Redragon, Gamdias, Cougar...etc. I am hoping to see a hidden gem amongst these brands and how well they can communicate if they have a faulty unit.
- CoolerMaster MWE series. They served me well over the years, but in my experience they have not-so-good fans - also offerings from Antec, Bitfenix, TT.
- The lesser known Corsair offerings like CV and CS series. Should we really stay away from them?
- Aorus AP750 and AP850, GN displays the unit in case reviews, and I bought one myself because of that - aside from the obvious reason that the market in my country back in 2020 had no good PSUs offered and everything was out of stock.
- Speaking of bad PSU fans, while I understand there are a million videos explaining how to disassemble a PSU and change the fan, maybe film one or two videos on how to do that - for the uninitiated? And when the benchmark chart is built and converged, maybe note if there is a unit with some weird or proprietary things we need to take care of - like an unusual fan measurement or some case locking mechanism that prevents repair or just makes it a hell lot more harder?
- Fan specs - if a PSU fan needs to be changed, what kind or what are the specs of that PSU fan? Can we get away with slapping a generic fan and call it a day or does it have to be a high end one with certain air pressure spec?
Cougar isn't historically a "cheaper" brand like the others you listed. They were almost as big as Antec. I don't know how they are today, but they used to make top tier parts.
@@alexskywalker888 Cougar were pretty variable for a while, their top-end unit the GX1050 was freaking great though. I believe both them, LEPA and Enermax had the same owner for a while (HEC Compucase, an OEM that makes PSUs mostly for medical equipment with their own branding)
you bought the exploding Gigabyte PSUs? After all those eps? MWE are also trash, along with TT Litepower (you dont mention them but yeah).
@@mycosys nope, I bought the Aorus not the exploding P series - supposed to be a different design or third party manufacturer, and I did that in 2020 back when the market in my country either had these or the AX1200, and I am not putting a 1200W CPU in an R5 3600 + 1660S build. So far it has been serving me quite well and I am running way below the limits.
MWE series, back in the day I ran a 500W (or was it 600W?) version of that on an OC'd Q6600 to 3.4GHz for a number of years and it ran fine, the fan needed replacement though...
@@alexskywalker888 I really hope they're still good. They have a lot of relatively cheaper offerings here in my country, and it would be a definite breath of fresh air if Cougar still turned out to be great for those prices.
With inflation/rising prices being the current trend, the most useful roundup you could do now would be the next price tier lower than the PSU's reviewed in this video. The big question is can I go with something cheaper than this, or do I just need to spend the $90 to $100 to obtain one of these units at today's prices? Keep up the good work guys, thanks for great content and rare impartiality and integrity.
Thank you guys for doing these PSU reviews...
Budget segment 500 to 650 watt Corsair and Antec Neo eco series have always been my go to recommendations. They are good for the price we pay. I have a Corsair VS650 from 2013 that still works and has been used in 3 different builds and it had a 3yr warranty😅😅😅
Now the market is saturated with PSUs from MSI, Deepcool, Cooler Master Master, Gigabyte😜, etc...
Based on my experience building PCs for others, corsairs RMX series from 2019 and 2021 are pretty popular. I also tend to steer my clients to seasonic focus gold power supplies since they're usually cheaper, smaller, and have flat cables as well which makes building with them easier
Wow its like you are looking at my amazon browsing history, except actually purchasing the items to review!
What I think would be really cool is if you prioritised the less-known and cheaper brands like "GameMax" to see if their products are trustworthy, seeing as most people with regards to PSU's want the cheapest but still reliable option.
That exploding PSU footage never gets old!
I think it would be interesting to see some of the SUPER low end, no name brand PSUs. I know they are garbage and would never use one, but I have always wondered how garbage and dangerous they are. Might make for a good meme episode.
This or the generic PSU's that typically come with prebuilds.
Hopefully editor Patrick Stone is physically and mentally prepared for another barrage of exploding PSU after the bunch of Gigabyte ones.
Right after they get new life insurance policies.
They can use the explosions to help Jay make a new ifixit video
@@reignman30 They could test all of the ones from the prebuilts they got
Would love to see most of the EVGA low-mid range PSUs since they're usually all extremely popular especially in australia
This would be a good thing to do. The majority of them are Andyson units which is a very average oem. They have never been applauded for their quality, but they are a step or two up from total trash.
I bought a SeaSonic FOCUS PX 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply. I just want the reassures that this is a good unit. So if you test this I would be delighted.
Love the channel and the professionalism applied to everything you do. Keep up the excellent work.
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I have a unique suggestion: testing power supplies’ own temperature sensing/protection. I bought a Silverstone SX650-G SFX power supply and it would sporadically shut down on me; I discovered in a negative Newegg review that (allegedly) this PSU does not monitor its own temperature… instead the fan ramps up based on load. So if it’s actually hot in your case - which is common in small form factor cases, where you would put such an SFX power supply - the PSU will not adequately cool itself and will randomly shut down. I wound up replacing it with a Fractal Design Ion SFX power supply, also 650w, and haven’t had problems since.
I would love to see Antec, Gamdias and Super flower PSU's tested.
I'm using a super flower 650 watt in my son's gaming machine. It's been fantastic so far for about 6 months. Running a 5800x with an rtx 3060. I snagged that psu when it was on sale on newegg 45 dollars. Was a crazy value. Fully modular, 85+.
I too would love to see how Super Flower holds up. I've built 3 pcs all of them I bought Super Flower for and have had zero issues. Also recommended to friends.
SuperFlower make their own and other peoples PSUs, historically theyve been pretty good.
Gamdias psus are andyson units, would be nice to have more info on their platforms so definitely!
The depth of their testing is actually incredible
I feel like a very important element is missing from these tests. Noise levels. For me, its one of the most important factors when choosing a psu.
I haven't come across a power supply with a noisy fan in the last decade. I don't even think I've found one that is even audible. There might have been a couple bottom bin supplies that were scratchy, but they were dead anyway. Dell full towers with the quick release supplies are kind of noisy, but those are 60mm server grade fans. (I have built, refurbished, troubleshooted hundreds if not a thousand systems in the last 10 years)
@@alexskywalker888 Yeah same. I have never had loud PSU? Is that even a thing?
Had the Corsair CX750 in my case for well over 5 yrs..
still going!!...
PPs great show dudes..
Seasonic always seems to be the "can't go wrong" option, would be interesting to see how well the S12ii (much older) or s12iii perform compared to the competition.
Been using Seasonic for years, their stuff is solid. I mean they only produce PSU's and quality ones at that, bad PSU's would literally kill their brand.
Yeah seasonic is more reputable but they don't have as many psus. I think every brand has at least one crap psu. But most brands psus like corsair, evga, msi, and so on use either cwt or seasonic. Most of those are good
The older S12II/M12II models are not recommened for new builds at all since they cant regulate voltage rails independently, and with the current deep sleep CPU states you would get crossloads that could put them in a bad situation, they also lack modern protection features afaik.
s12iii if you are not luky it can burn your component
@Forward Go Actually this is not always the case. Seasonics manufacturing capacity is largely taken up by their oem manufacturing for 3rd parties. Whilst they design all their own units, they actually outsource a lot of their manufacturing - I was surprised that Steve didn't mention this in the review when it came to talking about who made that unit - a lot of the Focus models are outsourced, as were a lot of the S12 models.
I mean, PSUs were always so hard to choose. I always just kept going back to EVGA but I also always considered and recommended corsair and Seasonic ones. But that was always based on a blind belief their units are of a good quality. I can't really say I even understand the differences is their product stacks, especially EVGAs, like there's so many different "X amount of power, B something PSU like 650 b5, 650bq, 650bw, 650b, 650b2, some are BR... Etc, etc" and that exists for all tiers, it's so confusing. So I'd really want to ask you guys to help us on that matter, test as many PSUs as possible and maybe run an online Google docs chart? So we can reference all the tested models and maybe make sense of how the product lines work for the different manufacturers? Like maybe EVGA b2 PSUs are good bronze PSUs but the b5 range is not? Or the corsair cx is nice but maybe the vx isn't or something like that.
My Corsair CX600 that I've bought with the Sandy Bridge platform is still kicking.
(But I do not recommend keeping the PSU for so long)
Glad to see this. in depth reviews and hard data with your usual broad tests and thoroughness is appreciated as reliable data on PSU's is hard to find. Would love to see the possible Hero/Dogs in this price range, I have included the Amazon description to a contender of a great surprise or expected disappointment with price and review numbers so you can see for yourself why I thought to myself. Hmm...I wonder. (edited as the toob removed all html and links)
Power Supply 600W Semi Modular 80+ Bronze, GAMEMAX VP-600-RGB(Modular)
4.5 out of 5 - 4,283 Reviews
$46.24
LOVE that you're noting where the PSUs are built by. That's usually opaque data, but e.g. so far Great Wall and Seasonic seem like solid manufacturers. And I know you've got some industry contacts-why not see if you can ask what they intend for 5Vsb re: OCP? All of these kinds of details are things I think your viewers appreciate. I do, certainly.
From here … more brands at a budget tier or next tier up for these brands? I lean toward the latter, but here's what I'd like to see for both:
For brands, how about CM, be quiet, Thermaltake, and … maybe some wildcards? Like how those Ventroo HSFs came out of nowhere to be quite competent. I expect the Thermaltake is gonna be kind of crap and CM/beQ to do all right. But we'll see?
Tier … a lot of folks have systems with some moderately high spec HW and they want to make sure they are going to reach for the evga G-series or similar Corsair or similar PSUs. Probably looking for 700-850W and 80+ Gold or better (yeah 80+ is crap and you explained why very well).
The real high-end stuff would be interesting sometime in the same way $300 type cases are sometimes interesting, but hardly as mainstream content. I mean it's fun sometimes to ask what do you get for your money with a high-end case, but most of us are buying cases at $70±10 or $130±20 price points, right? Similar for PSUs.
Thank you for the detailed video once again. Here in Greece , the top user purchase is the Be Quiet System Power 9 600W Full Wired 80 Plus Bronze. I'd really like to see it up on that list. Also , even if its not that popular , i would like to see the SHARKOON ATX SHP 80 PLUS BRONZE 500W cause ive used it on low budget gaming pcs and never 'failed' (its only 30-35€ new) keep up the good work ! Cheers from sunny Greece
Decent PSUs, though the 230V versions are slightly lesser. A good choice for a mid-range system and overall ranks just below the Corsair CX-650/CX-650M in this video.
*EVGA G2 550:* I wish that it was still available, along with the rest of the EVGA / Super Flower line. The G2 / P2 / T2 models offer EVGA support with Super Flower reliability. They are great units.
i ran the 550 g2 in my rig until about 4 days ago. it was amazing even while pushing it to its limits
Got a 750G2, bomb proof. At least EVGA have gone back to a good OEM (Seasonic) with the g6 models and stopped using FSP (G5) who are not good enough at this price point.
@@maflarson1988 I love pushing my PSU to the limit too. With that being said, future Lovelace has me thinking about proactively upgrading from my EVGA T2 1000 to the T2 1600.
I built 4 PCs this year. I went EVGA for all of them. 500 white, 500 gold, 650 gold and 750 supernova gold.
All quiet. No issues. Everything smooth as butter. I will continue. I trust what they do, because they build more complex things than psus, for example NVIDIA video cards. It means they have real circuit board nerds, not just electricians. 🙃
It makes me so happy seeing you guys taking up the mantle left by Johnny Guru. Nobody could review psu's like him.... until you. Looking forward to seeing future SFX line ups, mid range and high end/high output reviews
I'd love to see you review Microcenter's store brand Powerspec. I've had few of them, and price to performance has impressed me. I did have to RMA one, but I got that done within a couple hours of putting in a ticket and exchanging it in store.
I want to see a comparison of the mid-range gold modular units. Some examples from CWT include the Corsair RM and RMx, Thermaltake GF1 and MSI AGF. Cooler Master's V Gold V2 line is also a good shout. Finally, the likes of Silverstone and Seasonic who brand their own PSUs.
Gotta love that pause before "... and Newegg".
I actually have that model Seasonic PSU.
It has done very well in my key benchmarks:
1. Does not catch on fire.
2. Turns on when I press the power button.
3. When my PC breaks it's always something other than a bad PSU.
Great stuff! I would be interested in noise levels at typical loads (e.g. you mentioned 60% load as a typical gaming load ).
EDIT: It's particularly interesting in SFX modules I might add, because sff builds oftentimes stand on your desk and are thus perceived as louder at same noise output. My own (mostly) silent PC has a Corsair SF600 Gold built in, which is silent at idle but with some workloads becomes the loudest part in it (still very quiet, but noticable). I would have paid the extra 20 € for the SF600 Platinum, which is supposed to be quieter at loads, if I would have known beforehand.
I’ve heard real good things about Seasonic Focus GX series. Got a 650 W one myself. Been working fine so far. It’s quiet, and it’s got a 10 year warranty. Would be interesting to see what you guys have to say about it!
Same here although I have the 850w one
I'd be particularly interested in seeing how Seasonics Focus Plus line compares to their vanilla Focus line - the 650w model seemed like a fantastic deal compared to other platinum-rated PSUs when I bought one.
Id really like to see something from the EVGA Supernova GA series. It seems a great value leader at gold+, 10 year warranty, and fully modular. Also quite compact for output.
I'm curious about the variation one might expect unit to unit. Basically - I'm curious whether some of the units tested here were just lucky / unlucky picks. Of course there will certainly be a degree of variation here, but I don't have the same sense of how much variation there will be in practice with PSUs like I do with CPUs or GPUs. If they're relatively rock solid, that's great to know, but makes cases where a power supply could have been rated silver, but was rated bronze instead even more interesting.
Having a sense of the typical +/- variation in key statistics like ripple and efficiency would be great, basically.
As far as different supplies to test though - I'm curious about the performance of some highly regarded supplies like Corsair HX series or Seasonic PX.
80+ Titanium units are really expensive, and maybe hard to justify for tests like this, but they're also interesting just because it seems like such an uncommon standard vs Platinum. The expense makes it hard to justify for personal builds too of course, and maybe testing would bear out that really Gold or Platinum is more than enough for most people, or maybe that there really is more to supplies that hit Titanium certification.
i had issues with my CX450 shutting down. i specifically bought it for the good reviews. so its always possible to get a dud. thankfully, Corsair RMA'd it without any fuss. their support is great.
GameMax 850w on Amazon, I've had 2 and one has been going for almost 2 years and I had another die on me after 3 months. They absolutely refunded me though after asking what my system settings were. Hit or miss for me BUT customer service was excellent.
Yeah agree I have two of the GameMax RGB-850 from Amazon. Got them for $79.99 each and they are both doing well since May of 2021.
I opened one up, since Sohoo (the manufacturer) sent me a review sample. While they advertise a DC-DC LLC-R topology, it was in fact group regulated. I was not impressed, just based off that fact alone. While I have no business reviewing PSUs (no occilloscope, no professional tools), I would not expect the unit to meet most other advertised points either.
@@t4w1m94 mine failed on my HTPC when I slapped in a 3070 and left in the 2080 Super and set it to mine when I wasn't actively using it. Just straight shutdown, no magic smoke but she smelled a bit. Should have only been about 500w on the 12v rail.
@@t4w1m94 good to know thanks for the heads up and hopefully when they get all these power supplies tested we will have a wealth of knowledge to show which ones are good for the price or the ones that may be good from the what the manufacturer claims but once torn apart and tested show they are not.
I appreciate these PSU benchmarks. Ive always looked for and recommended seasonic psus because they have never given me trouble.
I really needed and waited for this for a long time because it's so hard to find good reviews on these.
Because the reviews range widely from using it safely for 10 years to I build myself a homemade explosive for less than a 100 dollars.
Would love to see a more complete list next with like 100 or so power supplies which are the truely best budget powersupplies including some Chinese brands aswell
I think you need to get noise measurements (dB at 1 meter - C weighted?) for each PSU at various loads. I'm always struggling to find this type of data. It's very important for my builds that they are quiet. (At least until near full load.) Some PSUs, at low levels don't even turn the Fan on and therefore are silent. Features like that should be noted.
One of my main worries about reviews of budget power supplies, is I fully expect that some vendors are somewhat likely to swap components at a whim based on availability/cost with no transparency such as change in model number. I'm not sure how best to address this, but it may be worth keeping a careful eye out for this practice.
Thanks for helping me fix gaps in my knowledge I had no idea PSU's had different efficacies at different draws. I also recently watched the Liquid cooler Videos and I was under the Impression that the closed loop coolers were 100% liquid I didn't know they had a air bubble to worry about! Thanks for your hard work :)
Just purchased the CX650 M and am having that oh-so-common buyers remorse. The Seasonic is 100 Euros and I used to run a bunch of hard drives but I just bought a second-hand case that is far better and realized that trimming down all the HD's that sit and do nothing because of the "more=better fallacy".
It's about to replace a 10 year old BeQuiet that jas served me well but started to make some noises that I hadn't experienced before. This weekend I'm going to do a full dissassembly, install Windows onto an NVME drive, pair storage down to just 1 SSD and 1 2 TB platter.
Going to be a nice quality of life improvement while I wait for GPU's to actually cost MSRP!
Seasonic 1000w 80 plus titanium psu with the 12 year warranty.
I would love to see a high end power supply in comparison. maybe a Seasonic prime TX or other high end. I know these models are 2-3x the price but I would like to see both how they compare to these budget models. Is it that much better? Does it make these variations seem bad?
Gives a reference point to a high end PSU so when lower end hardware meets it, you know just how good it is.
I can't get over the delivery of the intro LOL
Picked up 2 EVGA 80+Gold 850w GQ's for 90 bucks each on amazon, seemed like a great deal.
Super flower PSU's were recommend to me, I have the Leadex III 850W gold full mod in one of my rigs. Kinda curious since it is not one of the BIG names just kinda the middle of line pricing at least when I bought mine.
Super Flower Leadex III 850W 80+ Gold, Three-Way ECO Mode Fanless, Silent & Cooling Mode, FDB Fan, Full Modular Power Supply, on newegg is the one I have runs about 99 dollars I got mine for like 75 US.
Yep I also wanna see this one
It might be good to track who's manufacturing each power supply so that you can develop trends of, say, Great Wall vs other OEMs and how much they differ based on who releases them. I'm thinking of the Fractal, NZXT, Razer, etc supplies that are pretty clearly not designed by those companies. Would be nice to expose this to spotlight innovation in the industry, much like airflow in cases, IMHO.
PSU Cultists does this
Multiple PSU brands I've used over the years, until I got my first Seasonic back in 2018. Still having it and it works perfect.
Steve: "We bought ... budget PSUs ... on ... NewEgg." *fetching popcorn* *suspense intensifies*