Her disorder could possibly a product of Jose's abuse too. Because She was hooked on a giant cupboard of meds for mental illness. The Father set the brothers up to Psychiatrist of his choice, probably on his way to break down those boys too with meds
@@shabrinaz9877the foundations of a personality disorder are set during one’s upbringing. You will not simply develop a personality disorder during adulthood. It’s much more likely that her pre-existing condition made her more prone to be attracted to men with other personality disorders, as tend to be the case with BPD women.
@joan-lisa-smith that’s just a genetic predisposition, it doesn’t mean that is a given that you’ll develop it. Personality disorders are based on behaviour first and foremost.
@@shabrinaz9877You could also say that Jose became the way he was because of abuse; that is often, if not usually, the case. It doesn't make abusing their children (or any children) at all excusable.
The way he says, "I was completely embarrassed in front of my brother " breaks my heart. My brother and I are close, my best friend really. But there are things i wouldn't want him to know. We all have insecurities, imagine that being exposed in front of your loved ones?
@@Danzvide Not at all. I analyze a lot of legal cases. I KNOW the difference between a liar and embellisher and a defendant who is telling the truth. The MATH has to MATH. The EVIDENCE has to SPEAK for itself. Otherwise, it is just a story. EVERY defendant that is telling the truth has EVIDENCE that speaks for itself AND there is something in their testimony that RESONATES with the ENTIRE jury and the ENTIRE jury SEES and AGREES with the defendant. That was NOT the case with these brothers. A jury has DIFFERENT people from all walks of life. That testimony and evidence has to RESONATE in such a way EVERYONE on the jury SEES and AGREES with it. In this case the defendants had a CHOICE either to stay in that house and experience consensual alleged "abuse" at that point or MOVE ON AND go live life as independent men. There is no law that allows revenge first degree. heir testimonies PROVE this fact. Lyle said his abuse stopped at 11. Erik said only his father abused him as a teen and as an adult. The charges were for first degree of BOTH parents not just one. Thus, their testimonies provided NO legal explanation for why they killed their mother because neither testified she was abusing them as adults.
@@cjking4511It’s mind boggling to me that these menendez groupies actually believe these lying cowards. They initially lied and acted like someone else had brutally shotgunned their folks to death. Went on a $700,000 luxury spending spree (which is worth a lot more than it was in ‘89). There’s absolutely NO EVIDENCE OR PROOF THAT THEY WERE MOLESTED OR ABUSED. Parents aren’t here to defend themselves. The fake tears, the fake over exaggerated expressions and the total insincerity in their voices is REPULSIVE. 🤢
@@Danzvideliterally - and there is photographic evidence and testimonies from cousins, aunts, and friends who all agree. I have no idea how people still believe they were lying
@@Jannnnaaa It's not normal for a mother to have sexual contact with her children and it is not normal for her to allow her husband to rape their kids.
Then he had to endure the embarrassment of all he has been through to strangers and half the world, then still found guilty by unfair second trial, then sent to jail for life, simply heartbreaking
Too bad. These lying mfs are gon be in prison FOREVER. The afterlife will be far worse for them if they don’t repent. They still choose to lie to you and the world about what they did. Tarnished their legacies so bad that they actually have you and many others believing THEIR ACCOUNT of what happened. Pray for much better discernment.
@@Wizard-q1w You're cold blooded if you think they're lying. Other people have corrobarated their stories. Even his mothers sister an cousins have said that they were abused.
@@vintage5729 Absolutely no proof. It’s hearsay. I’ve had plenty people lie for me in criminal cases. They had love for me so they willingly lied for me. Just like his two cousins lied for him.
@@Wizard-q1w you think your mother's sister would lie for you after you unalived her sister? 😂😂😂 either you're lying or your family is fd up! No sane family members would be lying for anyone after they unalived their loved one. But maybe you don't come from a sane family. But, it's hard for us with sane family members to wrap our heads around our aunts lying for us after we unalived their sibling. Hence we're inclined to believe thier account, yours sounds far fetched or something people wit loose screws would do.
@@sandradube4456 She didn’t mention sexual abuse. She spoke of the stern attitude the father raised them with. Never once did she mention sexual molestation.
I wear and I feel his pain. Worst thing a person can do to someone who wears. It can not only physically injure them, but it's just a way of crushing their self esteem.
Imagine yourself going completely bald at the age of 21. After 30 or 40 I can understand, but at 21? This was definitely a sign of abuse and toxic environment. I also lived my whole life under a rich narcissistic parent. I started losing my hair at just 19 due to stress and abuse. Everyone say it's genetics or hormonal. But I know for sure, kids living under abuse, lose their hairs early. Genetics might play a role but it comes later in life. I don't understand how the jury or the judge could let this go as this was a huge sign I think. PS. Just because somebody is a parent doesn't mean they can't be wrong or abusive. I have seen people with normal family dynamics having difficulty to believe the kids who are the victim of their parents.
That is nonsense and a large unproven REACH. It makes more logical sense to compare photos of Lyle as a child and as a teen where you see the hair texture changed. The only way to change your hair texture is through chemical relaxers so Lyle likely burned his hair by using relaxers
@@RA82828 I wish you would stop writing me. You are BENEATH me. You do not have the intelligence, maturity, and objectivity it takes to converse with someone on my level.
Can't understand why these boy's have been jailed. Isn't child molestation an offence? These boy's have paid a huge price for their father's unbelievable actions! Their mother..... what can I say? It's a parent's responsibility to protect their children 😢😢😢
@@selenamay516 Everyone is NOT gullible. These were two FELONS with a history of committing numerous burglaries and identity thefts so it is not like they have any credibility here lying on their parents.
My heart really breaks for him.I can't imagine the pain and the sheer.Embarrassment and his mother took delight into shaming him. What a sick woman. Granted there was severe abuse from the father but the mother was twisted and very abusive as well. I think they've won the internet & People's choice award for the worst parents ever!
@trebleclef3886 she was a threat, she had an evil heart, even she took pictures of the brothers naked and shared with Jose, she always knew everything, and treated boys like they were shit
@@Melissa-kg1ux And maybe they'd have gotten more sympathy if they hadn't went out and bought a Porsche and a Rolex right after. I don't care what your mother does. No one but a sociopath celebrates murdering her with a shopping spree. There'd be some remorse if they didn't at least partially do it for the money. Abused kids love their parents. Even if they take their life in self defense they struggle with guilt and these boys never showed any until they got caught.
@@joes.4149 Yes, I believe them. In their second trial, the judge ruled it inadmissible to include evidence of their sexual abuse, a gross miscarriage of justice and they were basically crucified.
@@pazuzu126 I AGREE with the judge's decision. They were adults that killed their parents. The sexual abuse evidence was already tried at the first trial and could NOT convince the two juries to agree it justified reducing the charges from first degree to manslaughter so it was the defense's job to come up with NEW legal strategies for the second trial and NOT a replay of the same ol subjective evidence that only convinces gullible emotional people
@@cjking4511 erik and lyles father abused them, especially erik, for YEARS. there's pictures of them when they were children. there's no excusing that.
Grown adults having to kill parents whose backs were turned bc they were sitting watching TV minding their own business? They could have just left like everyone else does if they don't like their parents
@@dezaraywithazthe series by ryan murphy was UNDOUBTEDLY innacurate. and it was drenched in fantasy scenes like the shower, the kiss, it would be insane if you believed that was at all accurate.
@@fourtwentyluvv Based on what I have seen from court proceedings, news, etc. the show has parts that were exaggerated (as do all shows like this) but most of it was accurate. So same question, do you only have issues because it’s “gay” or do you have these feelings for straight crime docuseries, too?
@@dezaraywithazi have these feelings about all of the shows, straight or gay, which depict things of this nature in an innacurate or romanticized way i don’t know about the original commenter though.
30 years of prison was overkill for two horribly abused young men who were not a danger to society. The abuse they endured was unimaginable and there were people who knew about the abuse and did nothing to help those children. Those who knew what was happening and did nothing to protect them or help them should face some of the responsibility for what happened as well.
So they were abused. They told family who should've protected them and no one helped. They were desperate and at their wits end. NO ONE HELPED THESE BOYS. THEY WERE THROWN IN JAIL FOR PROTECTING THEMSELVES.
That's not protecting yourself tho. They snuck up on parents who were sat watching TV. They were adults, they could have left the home. Being abused doesn't give anyone the right to kill. And the abuse could be made up. Something very off about Lyle. Very manipulative
See, they could have left the home at that age, but then they wouldn't have gotten their inheritance. If I were 20 years old and my parents were abusing me, I'd get a job and my own apartment. Problem solved.
I'm afraid your blithe and simplistic comment tells me you have little understanding of the psychological dynamic and aren't equipped to put yourself accurately into such a hypothetical. I sincerely believe you have no idea what you would do. It's the same kind of error those who respond to hearing about abused wives with "Why don't they just leave?" make - and the psychological impairments to escape are even more pronounced when the coercion and threats have been trained in since youth. I'd also bet the brothers instinctively understood (without anyone needing to tell them) that an abuser is most dangerous when their victims try to escape, and that it's one of the biggest, most unacceptable violations of 'the rules' in abusive families. By the brothers' account, that threat had been made overtly anyway ("try to run/expose this and I will kill you - I'd rather be on trial for murder than molestation"). But kids in these situations also grow up getting pretty good at recognizing what kind of triggers will be the most dangerous - it's a survival thing. Erik had already tried to do what most smart young people try to do in that kind of dynamic - carefully maneuver into a situation where he'd get out of the household without going "against" the parents (a rebellion he knew wouldn't be tolerated). So he'd made plans to move out to go to college. That was his way out. "Problem solved", right? But... Jose wouldn't let him move out. Every severely abused child of an abusive narcissist parent understands what that means and why it was the beginning of the end. You're probably still thinking "What do you mean, 'wouldn't let him'? Erik was too old for Jose to stop him!" but this takes us back to a lack of understanding of the dynamics in play. You likely still think this is a simple game of checkers, when they were playing a game of nuclear chess, where every square is explosive and the rules keep changing to stop their side from winning. You probably think "It's just not that hard" but you likely won't get it until you're in a situation like that - I hope it's something you never have to learn first-hand. Even if one waved a wand to remove all psychological impediments and coercive influence, and created a scenario where instead of gunning their parents down while watching TV, Lyle took the that moment to steal Erik away to an apartment instead, that would NOT be 'problem solved'. Again, only someone who doesn't understand these types of abusers would think it so simple. Jose would have, metaphorically or physically, come after them and tried to destroy them in retaliation. Whether it was by using his influence, sabotaging their sports, careers, lives and relationships or outright killing them (as threatened) there was no clean escape - not while he & Kitty were still alive. I'm not surprised it went the way it did when Lyle realized his little brother wasn't going to be "allowed" to escape. That doesn't mean I condone it - I'm just not surprised. And if those young men genuinely feared Jose was so worried about Erik exposing the abuse if he left that he was ready to kill them both and have Kitty help cover it up, then there's a better chance than you'd imagine that that really was on the cards. Intelligent kids who get abused become extremely good at reading their abusers - I would back their predictive skills over an outsider's any day of the week. For me, the only question is whether they exaggerated the fear of actual death for the purpose of their murder defense.
@@Jess-on-the-Tube I am afraid your "blithe and simplistic" characterization is pointless. You can say someone has little understanding of psych dynamics, blah blah, but that is just you saying it. Does not make it true. I wonder why you feel the need to insult the person for their opinion.
espero que después de todo lo que tuvieron que sufrir al menos puedan ser libres y disfrutar del tiempo que les queda de vida. también espero que sepan que muchísimas personas los apoyamos y les deseamos lo mejor
there so much pain in his voice look at the details these men ARE NOT LIARS!!!! it’s so fcked up smh because imagine if those parents stayed alive it could have been them😢
The show dipicting them like they murdered there parents for the money but they seem genuine about the abuse i am confused what the netflix show trying to show me? is the show trying to make us think they are evil sociopathic killers?
It's presenting one side of the case and then another, first that they were abused and in fear for their lives, then that they were lying sociopaths. From what I have seen, there is far more evidence to indicate they were telling the truth, more now than ever before. They were not able to use evidence of their abuse in the second trial because the judge ruled it inadmissible, a truly gross miscarriage of justice.
In CA, motive is NOT needed for a first degree conviction. The FACT is they killed two unarmed people in their own home. The abuse accusations was only a defense strategy to play gullible emotional people on the juries. People that are gullible and emotional value someone's words over their actions whereas objective thinkers value actions over someone's words. IF the parents abused them then objective thinkers on the jury NEED to see SOLID evidence of that and not just words. SOLID evidence is the kind of evidence that convinces an entire jury like medical reports of transmitted diseases that can only be obtained by abuse, eye witnesses testifying they actually SAW the abuse in the bedroom, and third party witnesses like maids, pool repair people, etc testify they saw or heard abuse. In this case the third party witnesses testified the complete opposite and said the brothers were the ones acting like aggressive psychopaths and the parents were afraid of them
The parents did nothing wrong. These are all unproven lies. The ones with the criminal records BEFORE the trial were the brothers. The ones who were ALWAYS lying were the brothers.
@@cjking4511 actually that’s false because if you look at one of the pictures of where the brothers are taking a picture with their father, their father‘s hand is on one of the brothers crotch
@@cjking4511notice how you have no likes or comments? Sorry but cousins and aunts also said this happened. Were they lying as well? Zero percent chance
@@jonbreevaart7406 I do not write comments for likes. If I wanted likes I would be victimizing murders and playing emotional people desperate to cry and agree with victimizing the brothers. I encourage you to be mature and look at this objectively. The brothers were charged with the murders of TWO unarmed people. If a few cousins and two aunts testify that Jose was an abuser that means nothing because the brothers were charges with killing TWO people not just Jose. Even in that new unauthenticated letter from Erik to Andy, there is verbiage that works against the brothers’ case where Erik states his mother does not know about Jose and him. If someone does not know you are being abused they legally did nothing wrong so you do NOT have legal justification to kill them.
The video flickers on and off every few seconds throughout. I had to stop watching as the flashing sets off migraines/seizures. But thanks so much for posting 💗
@@hol99-vw6ueits really not, its the video itself. The screen flashes black everytime a sentence is started and finished. So unnecessary and I couldnt even finish the video
@@jessea3270it was probably cut between pauses while lyle was testifying to make the video shorter. but i totally get how it would be annoying or harmful for those prone to seizures
So, folks... the lesson here is: show no mercy when getting vengeance on your abusers. They will lock you up at any chance they get. The system won't help you; it's run by demons. Make it worth it; don't hold back.
I’m just going to say , at that time had it been “Mary” and “Erica” instead of “Lyle” and “Erik” there would have been no doubt about letting them off free or with SLIGHT punishment 😒. They did them absolutely wrong by retrying them and leaving out ALL their evidence of abuse and testimony. They had two hung juries TWO! The judge just wanted to punish these MEN even more than what they’ve already lived through, especially when you add the fact he separated them , after the second hung jury they should have been sentenced to at least 5 years in prison that’s all the “justice” Kitty and Jose should’ve gotten.
She really is, an "energetic one", you know? Narcissists are vampire, they steal your energy, your life, your will to live, your desires. They have this wound, surely taken by their parents too, so one of your "gran" was a narcissist too.
From Lyles testimony, it’s also sounds like the parents may have had some underlining mental health, as someone who’s seasoned in knowledge with BPD and anxiety, what Lyle’s explaining about Kitty, is very similar to how people may react in situations; it mostly stems from abandonment, starting from childhood but any sort of betrayal (the affair of Jose) can provoke someone to react the way he’s sharing here, it can be explosive, full of passion but completely irrational. You’re emotions and logic can’t communicate, and sometimes there can be hints of narcissistic tendencies in there. Not an excuse, at all. But it shows even the household wasn’t well.. for anyone and it just trickled down .. 💔
Having a controlling , manipulative , drunken mother who put me on guilt trips I believe these brothers. Let let out they've suffered enough. I was relieved my mum had dementia & was put in a home. She still controlled me after her death in my mind . It's taken me 7 years to get more confidence to express myself. I ended up living with the wrong type of people because I was just trying to escape. It wouldn't surprise me if they felt happier in prison. When your own parent is a monster & hates you , ignored you, abuses you anywhere is better then tolerating their anger. Obviously they suffer from PTSD & having to have lemon on your food to block out certain tastes they are suffering still. Abuse fades if you are away from it but it never goes away unless you block it out someway. Please let them be free💔
I really don't have words for this the parents was the true devils😡😡 not Lyle and Erik 🤍🤍I hope god is going to make a wonder and they are free soon 😔❤️💔🙏🏼
No, I would not gun down my parents watching tv. I would move far away, and sue/file charges. That is the difference between someone who has their own ethics.
@@trebleclef3886File charhes against your rich father, who is high up in the establishment with lots of contacts, where do you think that would get you, do you think they would believe you?
They were certainly abused! Why would a Loving mother make fun of her child being embarrassed in front of family. That right there shows how cold she was then she throws it at him….how insensitive unloving rude disrespectful arrogant useless and worthless mother she was. Cold hearted Snake is what she was.
What kind of sick person starts a fight with someone they know is grieving an opportunity to see a lived one for the last time? Her Father was dying ...she was in emotional pain
Can’t wrap my mind around how unnecessary it was for them to be in prison for so long. Ludicrous. I’m a few years younger than Erik and I remember them well. I think over the last 35 years how much life I’ve lived, experienced, the friends, relations etc. And they never got that chance. Although I’m proud of the work they’ve chosen to do in prison and make the most of their life here. It will be a major celebration the day they are freed.
Those actors in the movie should not be given awards. No matter how good they were. They were doing job their jobs as actors. Obviously they have to be good. But menendenz, brother s condemned the movie. Film crew making movie of this tragedy
Why was it so embarrassing!! Really lady? Is that a question to ask a teenager who tried to conceal his insecurity of baldness ( that came out of stress ) with a hairpiece just to be stripped off suddenly by his mother in front of everyone? How devaluing and embarrassing that is when your biological mother puts on a show like that. Uggh😢
Good Lord sounds like my biological mother. Not with hitting or abuse or anything like that, but I have to say mental and verbal abuse. Absolutely what he said starts and goes off about the whole life. I was like a boy.
Gypsys bf got the same life sentence as the brothers because he is the one that killed her mom not Gypsy. If the brothers had done what Gypsy had done and just manipulated their boyfriends to do the crime then they would have gotten Gypsy's sentence.
@@cjking4511 no they wouldn't even if you were part of the crime you've been sentenced the same crime as the person who got killed. For some reason they let Gyspy get a second degree murder conviction because she was abused.
@@anne_1212 The cases are not similar. The factors of Gypsy's abuse had SOLID evidence of Munchausen by proxy not subjective evidence of SA like in this case. Gypsy herself did not do the crime. Firearms were not used in Gypsy's case. Using firearms always increases the severity of legal charges. Every state has different laws. Gypsy accepted a plea deal whereas the brothers did NOT accept a plea deal. Remember, Erik offered OJ advice to accept a plea deal in real life not just on this show? Why do YOU think Erik told OJ that?
Gypsy was never a victim of MBP lol Sorry but she’s a life long grifter and liar. Her and her freak mother ran elaborate scams and once Dipsy wanted sausage, she manipulated a mentally retarded man to help her kill DD. She literally gives herself away two minutes into her police interrogation video.
Now we can understand why they shoot their mom more times than their dad. She has violent rages and dump all her frustrations on her failing marriage on the boys. There is no love shown in the house. Ripping off his toupee is the final straw for Lyle. He is done. .
So why did they initially say they killed her just bc she would have been a witness and to put her out of the misery the dad caused? They also said she couldn't live without him like as if they did her a favour by killing her
When men have too much money, they neglect their wife and goes off with other women causing the wife to feel neglected, insulted, worthless and unloved. The root cause for the problem was the father who caused the mother mental health and thereby she took it out on the boys. Between the 4, the dad was thee true monster and he made sure she becomes weak so she can’t leave him since “picture perfect family” is what he lived for. Yet behind closed doors and sound proof walls…all the dad’s plan and manipulation turned out to backfired on him but sadly and tragically the mother was also the victim. Ahe was so manipulated by the dad that she became dependent on the him. But deep down she did love her sons. Thanks to her the perverted photos which the dad had taken of the boys naked were proof of how sick and twisted the dad was. I wish their mother had been saved and had help them she would have been fine and the boys would still have their mother. All moms love their children no matter how hurt or angry they are or the harsh things they say…mothers do love their children. Her final sadness and pained tears in the initial moment of death seeing her two sons in that state, I can only imagined how sorry she must of felt leaving this world, leaving her two precious sons who she couldn’t protect or failed to protect, regretting her wrongs and her final thought how love and family can end this way.😭😭 I feel disgusted that their dad did those disgusting horrible sick things to them. But how does their dad even look them in the eyes or go out in public all those years and smile….as if he is normal or what he did was ok? The dad was a monster and I hope the grim reaper came for him that day with spiked changes….the dad was no dad but a devil a monster a sick twisted inhumane devil who had tortured his very own innocent sons.
So why did they tell the therapist that they only killed their mother bc she would have been a witness to their dad's murder, and she couldn't live without him?
@@laremabella This was dr. Oziel's explanation and conclusion and the boys agreed out of necessity so that the matter did not need to be discussed further as they did not want to reveal the S.A.. Also, the mother was suicidal and an alcoholic, but the reason they killed her was because she told them she always knew about the abuse. They felt betrayed by their mother.
Even if they were lying, which they clearly were not, they got a bum deal. There are serial child rapists walking the streets while the men are still behind bars .there is no justice in our system
@ have you done any research beyond seeing this video? I highly suggest you do, the mountain of evidence to validate their stories is criminal that they have spent 30 years behind bars already to say the least
I try to figure out how they were ever convicted of anything more than possibly manslaughter, and the only thing I can come up is that the juries jealous that these young men came from money they didn’t have money. They came from a family that had money that’s the only thing I can think of why they were ever convicted
Why psychologists don’t mention anything about how trauma builds up over years and PTSD? Brothers were so horribly abused and even though there was “ no imminent danger” to their lives they could get angry with the father who molested them and mother who pretended no knowing about this.
They should not have murdered their terrible parents. However, Eric & Lyle Menendez having served enough time as exemplary prisoners. Release them and let them live in peace finally. The tragedy is the what could have been had Lyle and Eric been born to loving,safe regular middle-class parents.
No. Lie detector tests are rarely actually admissible in court because they’re not terribly effective. Another thing that people don’t seem to understand is that the prosecution never really went out of their way to discredit their abuse testimony. The prosecution was focused on trying to prove that the murders were premeditated. Other than Pam Bozanich stating that men don’t have the necessary equipment to be raped, she didn’t really cross examine Lyle about the abuse. Erik’s prosecutor tried to imply that Erik was gay and that he would like having sex with his dad and even made a comment about having “homosexual relations” with his brother. Judge Weisberg also never said they were lying - he said they weren’t allowed to use it as a defence because they weren’t women. As for the second trial, the abuse testimony was excluded because the judge decided it wasn’t relevant because he didn’t consider it a valid excuse for the murders. Not that it wasn’t true. They were never impeached on their abuse testimony in court. Lyle didn’t testify in the second trial for various reasons, but one of them was due to the Norman Novelli tapes. He doesn’t actually say anything incriminating on them, but of course if they had the opportunity to cross examine him on the tapes the prosecutors would attempt to twist his words. They never actually made it into evidence because they were a nothing burger and mostly just Lyle talking shit with someone he thought was his friend. The prosecutors made some tacky comments both in and out of the courtroom, but the “they made it all up” accusations was heavily pushed by the media. This aspect of the case is incredibly misunderstood and it’s quite frustrating. They had around 50 witnesses from their family, teachers, etc. who corroborated that their parents were abusive, as well as respected psychological experts who deemed their testimony credible. It’s quite far fetched and cynical to think 50 people would perjure themselves just to get a paycheque, especially considering people in their family - the siblings of both parents testified corroborating the physical and emotional abuse - had been murdered. Several of their cousins testified that when they were younger, they witnessed signs they were being sexually abused, and their cousin Andy testified that Erik told him his father was touching him when they were very young, but Erik swore him to secrecy. The media tends to ignore the 50+ people who testified for the defence and rely on the mom’s one brother who claimed they weren’t abused (and who not surprisingly revealed in his testimony he was not close to the family at all). The prosecution also never bothered to hire their own psychological experts to discredit the brothers’ testimony. That’s quite telling - their focus was proving the murders were premeditated.
😮mein Gott, ich kann es nicht mehr hören !! Seit der Netflix Sendung wird man mit den Brüdern nur noch konfrontiert! Der Prozess bzw auch der zweite Prozess ist doch alles geklärt worden . Hier stand die Tat vor Gericht NICHT das Motiv . Sie haben ihre Eltern hingerichtet! Es hätte definitiv andere Möglichkeiten gegeben sich dem zu entziehen.
So the father was a sociopath and the mother had borderline personality disorder. Those poor kids. F the parents.
Her disorder could possibly a product of Jose's abuse too. Because She was hooked on a giant cupboard of meds for mental illness.
The Father set the brothers up to Psychiatrist of his choice, probably on his way to break down those boys too with meds
They never stood a chance
@@shabrinaz9877the foundations of a personality disorder are set during one’s upbringing. You will not simply develop a personality disorder during adulthood. It’s much more likely that her pre-existing condition made her more prone to be attracted to men with other personality disorders, as tend to be the case with BPD women.
@joan-lisa-smith that’s just a genetic predisposition, it doesn’t mean that is a given that you’ll develop it. Personality disorders are based on behaviour first and foremost.
@@shabrinaz9877You could also say that Jose became the way he was because of abuse; that is often, if not usually, the case. It doesn't make abusing their children (or any children) at all excusable.
The way he says, "I was completely embarrassed in front of my brother " breaks my heart. My brother and I are close, my best friend really. But there are things i wouldn't want him to know. We all have insecurities, imagine that being exposed in front of your loved ones?
My mother was mentally ill. High-functioning brilliant and beautiful to others😅 to her children she was the monster. Set them free.
Oh, Dear Lord. My guts are twisted.
God Bless these brothers.
She did it to emasculate him
@@shagsmith3410 Worst acting job ever. You geniuses fall for it though. SMH. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Those clowns will rot in jail as they should.
@@Wizard-q1w yet their family says the same thing? The abuse happened.
The whole reason he even had a hair piece at his age was the extreme stress he endured his entire life with these monster parents.
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Well, I don't know, but a nice theory
@@garywarmee4367its not theory its a fact that actually the truth
@@Ightylol121that's not how male pattern baldness works lol
Seems like the monsters were the parents, not the brothers.
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We realised that now?? O god..better late than never
Pure evil parents. How could any mother allow her children to be raped?!
she was molesting Lyle
And she sexually abused them, too. That's rarely talked about.
When she was also don't forget having intercourse with them mainly Lyle.
She was a poor excuse of a mother. She failed to protect them
That's's not a mother. It's something else.
They were not lying at all about the abuse
No you are just gullible
@@cjking4511 no you are just blind to micro-expressions and identifying real pain
@@Danzvide Not at all. I analyze a lot of legal cases. I KNOW the difference between a liar and embellisher and a defendant who is telling the truth. The MATH has to MATH. The EVIDENCE has to SPEAK for itself. Otherwise, it is just a story. EVERY defendant that is telling the truth has EVIDENCE that speaks for itself AND there is something in their testimony that RESONATES with the ENTIRE jury and the ENTIRE jury SEES and AGREES with the defendant. That was NOT the case with these brothers. A jury has DIFFERENT people from all walks of life. That testimony and evidence has to RESONATE in such a way EVERYONE on the jury SEES and AGREES with it. In this case the defendants had a CHOICE either to stay in that house and experience consensual alleged "abuse" at that point or MOVE ON AND go live life as independent men. There is no law that allows revenge first degree. heir testimonies PROVE this fact. Lyle said his abuse stopped at 11. Erik said only his father abused him as a teen and as an adult. The charges were for first degree of BOTH parents not just one. Thus, their testimonies provided NO legal explanation for why they killed their mother because neither testified she was abusing them as adults.
@@cjking4511It’s mind boggling to me that these menendez groupies actually believe these lying cowards. They initially lied and acted like someone else had brutally shotgunned their folks to death. Went on a $700,000 luxury spending spree (which is worth a lot more than it was in ‘89). There’s absolutely NO EVIDENCE OR PROOF THAT THEY WERE MOLESTED OR ABUSED. Parents aren’t here to defend themselves. The fake tears, the fake over exaggerated expressions and the total insincerity in their voices is REPULSIVE. 🤢
@@Danzvideliterally - and there is photographic evidence and testimonies from cousins, aunts, and friends who all agree. I have no idea how people still believe they were lying
Their parents were monsters. Free the brothers!
@@Jannnnaaa It's not normal for a mother to have sexual contact with her children and it is not normal for her to allow her husband to rape their kids.
They sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who would murder Their parents at a drop of a hat. Shame on you all.
💯💯
Free tate
@@ByciclesVan Free taters? Where?
Then he had to endure the embarrassment of all he has been through to strangers and half the world, then still found guilty by unfair second trial, then sent to jail for life, simply heartbreaking
Resentencing in a few days hopefully they will be out by the end of the year I'll literally throw a party
Look into Lyle's eyes they tell a story he looks exhausted and absolutely terrified of the consequences that resulted in protecting his brother😢😢😢
How can you tell? The video keeps blinking and fading in and out. Very annoying.
@@jimmorrison4ever529you can tell if you have any idea of emotions mate
They served enough time, give them a chance to enjoy life 🙏🏾
Too bad. These lying mfs are gon be in prison FOREVER. The afterlife will be far worse for them if they don’t repent. They still choose to lie to you and the world about what they did. Tarnished their legacies so bad that they actually have you and many others believing THEIR ACCOUNT of what happened. Pray for much better discernment.
@@Wizard-q1w You're cold blooded if you think they're lying. Other people have corrobarated their stories. Even his mothers sister an cousins have said that they were abused.
@@vintage5729 Absolutely no proof. It’s hearsay. I’ve had plenty people lie for me in criminal cases. They had love for me so they willingly lied for me. Just like his two cousins lied for him.
@@Wizard-q1w you think your mother's sister would lie for you after you unalived her sister? 😂😂😂 either you're lying or your family is fd up! No sane family members would be lying for anyone after they unalived their loved one. But maybe you don't come from a sane family. But, it's hard for us with sane family members to wrap our heads around our aunts lying for us after we unalived their sibling. Hence we're inclined to believe thier account, yours sounds far fetched or something people wit loose screws would do.
@@sandradube4456 She didn’t mention sexual abuse. She spoke of the stern attitude the father raised them with. Never once did she mention sexual molestation.
I wear and I feel his pain. Worst thing a person can do to someone who wears. It can not only physically injure them, but it's just a way of crushing their self esteem.
Imagine yourself going completely bald at the age of 21. After 30 or 40 I can understand, but at 21? This was definitely a sign of abuse and toxic environment. I also lived my whole life under a rich narcissistic parent. I started losing my hair at just 19 due to stress and abuse. Everyone say it's genetics or hormonal. But I know for sure, kids living under abuse, lose their hairs early. Genetics might play a role but it comes later in life.
I don't understand how the jury or the judge could let this go as this was a huge sign I think.
PS. Just because somebody is a parent doesn't mean they can't be wrong or abusive. I have seen people with normal family dynamics having difficulty to believe the kids who are the victim of their parents.
He was so stressed out thst his hair started coming out 😢poor things 😢😢
That is nonsense and a large unproven REACH. It makes more logical sense to compare photos of Lyle as a child and as a teen where you see the hair texture changed. The only way to change your hair texture is through chemical relaxers so Lyle likely burned his hair by using relaxers
@@RA82828 I wish you would stop writing me. You are BENEATH me. You do not have the intelligence, maturity, and objectivity it takes to converse with someone on my level.
@@cjking4511narcissist much 😂😂😂😂
@cjking4511 you are probably a narcissistic parent, or will be one. or simply just narcissistic.
Can't understand why these boy's have been jailed. Isn't child molestation an offence? These boy's have paid a huge price for their father's unbelievable actions! Their mother..... what can I say? It's a parent's responsibility to protect their children 😢😢😢
no one believed them and that's why people don't tell
@@selenamay516 Everyone is NOT gullible. These were two FELONS with a history of committing numerous burglaries and identity thefts so it is not like they have any credibility here lying on their parents.
@@selenamay516There was NEVER ANY EVIDENCE OR PROOF OF ANY MOLESTATION.
@@Wizard-q1w yeah. But with the new Menudo story, it makes their story alot more credible
@@Lemarcus03 Naw. That Menudo guy definitely has an ulterior motive. He made similar allegations circa 2015 against someone else.
My heart really breaks for him.I can't imagine the pain and the sheer.Embarrassment and his mother took delight into shaming him. What a sick woman. Granted there was severe abuse from the father but the mother was twisted and very abusive as well. I think they've won the internet & People's choice award for the worst parents ever!
Why are these men still in prison? Why dont the people win? We are saying FREE THESE BROTHERS!!
Probably due to the shooting of the mom in the face when she was not a threat. Both parents were sitting on the couch watching tv when they were shot.
@trebleclef3886 she was a threat, she had an evil heart, even she took pictures of the brothers naked and shared with Jose, she always knew everything, and treated boys like they were shit
@@Melissa-kg1ux And maybe they'd have gotten more sympathy if they hadn't went out and bought a Porsche and a Rolex right after. I don't care what your mother does. No one but a sociopath celebrates murdering her with a shopping spree. There'd be some remorse if they didn't at least partially do it for the money. Abused kids love their parents. Even if they take their life in self defense they struggle with guilt and these boys never showed any until they got caught.
Wow .. she was a piece of work. So was the father .
Girl you have me addicted to these court shows 😩
The flickering camera is AWFUL.
Very sincere on the start.love you boys.sorry for the 35 years that you did not deserve to go through.
I heard that Lyle started going bald at 14.
😢😢 that should be a red flag there - stress induced hair loss he had....smh
Dear God, these poor guys...
You believe them? lol. Lyle is the one who wasn’t touched since 8 and he had more remorse than his abuse victim brother lol. Sketch
@@joes.4149 Yes, I believe them. In their second trial, the judge ruled it inadmissible to include evidence of their sexual abuse, a gross miscarriage of justice and they were basically crucified.
@pazuzu126 Maybe it had something to do with the fact that there was too much inconsistency and evidence of manipulation
@@pazuzu126 I AGREE with the judge's decision. They were adults that killed their parents. The sexual abuse evidence was already tried at the first trial and could NOT convince the two juries to agree it justified reducing the charges from first degree to manslaughter so it was the defense's job to come up with NEW legal strategies for the second trial and NOT a replay of the same ol subjective evidence that only convinces gullible emotional people
@@cjking4511 erik and lyles father abused them, especially erik, for YEARS. there's pictures of them when they were children. there's no excusing that.
These guys knew what they HAD to do. Not what they wanted to do.
Grown adults having to kill parents whose backs were turned bc they were sitting watching TV minding their own business? They could have just left like everyone else does if they don't like their parents
@@laremabella amen
Gay producer/writer Ryan Murphy should be jailed for turning their tragic story into one of his sick gay fantasies
Erik is bi. His throat bruising was done in jail
Do you say this about all true crime docuseries or just ones that are “gay”?
@@dezaraywithazthe series by ryan murphy was UNDOUBTEDLY innacurate. and it was drenched in fantasy scenes like the shower, the kiss, it would be insane if you believed that was at all accurate.
@@fourtwentyluvv Based on what I have seen from court proceedings, news, etc. the show has parts that were exaggerated (as do all shows like this) but most of it was accurate. So same question, do you only have issues because it’s “gay” or do you have these feelings for straight crime docuseries, too?
@@dezaraywithazi have these feelings about all of the shows, straight or gay, which depict things of this nature in an innacurate or romanticized way i don’t know about the original commenter though.
Each incident worse than the other. Those parents were the monsters.
I hope they let these two men go free. They’ve done their time. They had mitigating factors that got overlooked.
FREE THEM
Our legal system is so messed up. Set these abused men free.
30 years of prison was overkill for two horribly abused young men who were not a danger to society. The abuse they endured was unimaginable and there were people who knew about the abuse and did nothing to help those children. Those who knew what was happening and did nothing to protect them or help them should face some of the responsibility for what happened as well.
Well said in the clearest of terms. 🙏
I totally agree, as they have suffered enough in prison and time for release and return home!
So they were abused. They told family who should've protected them and no one helped. They were desperate and at their wits end. NO ONE HELPED THESE BOYS. THEY WERE THROWN IN JAIL FOR PROTECTING THEMSELVES.
They were not being attacked at the time of the murders. The parents were watching tv on the couch.
That's not protecting yourself tho. They snuck up on parents who were sat watching TV. They were adults, they could have left the home. Being abused doesn't give anyone the right to kill. And the abuse could be made up. Something very off about Lyle. Very manipulative
See, they could have left the home at that age, but then they wouldn't have gotten their inheritance. If I were 20 years old and my parents were abusing me, I'd get a job and my own apartment. Problem solved.
I'm afraid your blithe and simplistic comment tells me you have little understanding of the psychological dynamic and aren't equipped to put yourself accurately into such a hypothetical. I sincerely believe you have no idea what you would do. It's the same kind of error those who respond to hearing about abused wives with "Why don't they just leave?" make - and the psychological impairments to escape are even more pronounced when the coercion and threats have been trained in since youth.
I'd also bet the brothers instinctively understood (without anyone needing to tell them) that an abuser is most dangerous when their victims try to escape, and that it's one of the biggest, most unacceptable violations of 'the rules' in abusive families. By the brothers' account, that threat had been made overtly anyway ("try to run/expose this and I will kill you - I'd rather be on trial for murder than molestation"). But kids in these situations also grow up getting pretty good at recognizing what kind of triggers will be the most dangerous - it's a survival thing. Erik had already tried to do what most smart young people try to do in that kind of dynamic - carefully maneuver into a situation where he'd get out of the household without going "against" the parents (a rebellion he knew wouldn't be tolerated). So he'd made plans to move out to go to college. That was his way out. "Problem solved", right?
But... Jose wouldn't let him move out. Every severely abused child of an abusive narcissist parent understands what that means and why it was the beginning of the end. You're probably still thinking "What do you mean, 'wouldn't let him'? Erik was too old for Jose to stop him!" but this takes us back to a lack of understanding of the dynamics in play. You likely still think this is a simple game of checkers, when they were playing a game of nuclear chess, where every square is explosive and the rules keep changing to stop their side from winning. You probably think "It's just not that hard" but you likely won't get it until you're in a situation like that - I hope it's something you never have to learn first-hand.
Even if one waved a wand to remove all psychological impediments and coercive influence, and created a scenario where instead of gunning their parents down while watching TV, Lyle took the that moment to steal Erik away to an apartment instead, that would NOT be 'problem solved'. Again, only someone who doesn't understand these types of abusers would think it so simple. Jose would have, metaphorically or physically, come after them and tried to destroy them in retaliation. Whether it was by using his influence, sabotaging their sports, careers, lives and relationships or outright killing them (as threatened) there was no clean escape - not while he & Kitty were still alive. I'm not surprised it went the way it did when Lyle realized his little brother wasn't going to be "allowed" to escape. That doesn't mean I condone it - I'm just not surprised.
And if those young men genuinely feared Jose was so worried about Erik exposing the abuse if he left that he was ready to kill them both and have Kitty help cover it up, then there's a better chance than you'd imagine that that really was on the cards. Intelligent kids who get abused become extremely good at reading their abusers - I would back their predictive skills over an outsider's any day of the week. For me, the only question is whether they exaggerated the fear of actual death for the purpose of their murder defense.
@@Jess-on-the-Tube I am afraid your "blithe and simplistic" characterization is pointless. You can say someone has little understanding of psych dynamics, blah blah, but that is just you saying it. Does not make it true. I wonder why you feel the need to insult the person for their opinion.
My goodness how much they had to endure .their parents were the real monsters
espero que después de todo lo que tuvieron que sufrir al menos puedan ser libres y disfrutar del tiempo que les queda de vida. también espero que sepan que muchísimas personas los apoyamos y les deseamos lo mejor
there so much pain in his voice look at the details these men ARE NOT LIARS!!!! it’s so fcked up smh because imagine if those parents stayed alive it could have been them😢
The show dipicting them like they murdered there parents for the money but they seem genuine about the abuse i am confused what the netflix show trying to show me? is the show trying to make us think they are evil sociopathic killers?
It's presenting one side of the case and then another, first that they were abused and in fear for their lives, then that they were lying sociopaths. From what I have seen, there is far more evidence to indicate they were telling the truth, more now than ever before. They were not able to use evidence of their abuse in the second trial because the judge ruled it inadmissible, a truly gross miscarriage of justice.
This is how the trial was presented. Made it seem like they just wanted the money. They minimized the abuse to close the case
They wanted to show all the theories. I was disgusted too but I do respect the great production and the actors’ work.
yeah i am 5 episodes in now and its got to the part when they talking about the abuse sad they served enough time imo
In CA, motive is NOT needed for a first degree conviction. The FACT is they killed two unarmed people in their own home. The abuse accusations was only a defense strategy to play gullible emotional people on the juries. People that are gullible and emotional value someone's words over their actions whereas objective thinkers value actions over someone's words. IF the parents abused them then objective thinkers on the jury NEED to see SOLID evidence of that and not just words. SOLID evidence is the kind of evidence that convinces an entire jury like medical reports of transmitted diseases that can only be obtained by abuse, eye witnesses testifying they actually SAW the abuse in the bedroom, and third party witnesses like maids, pool repair people, etc testify they saw or heard abuse. In this case the third party witnesses testified the complete opposite and said the brothers were the ones acting like aggressive psychopaths and the parents were afraid of them
I cant believe they have served so long in prison. So sad
Erik and Lyle got life in prison but we can sleep well knowing the parents for eternity in hell
The parents did nothing wrong. These are all unproven lies. The ones with the criminal records BEFORE the trial were the brothers. The ones who were ALWAYS lying were the brothers.
@@cjking4511 actually that’s false because if you look at one of the pictures of where the brothers are taking a picture with their father, their father‘s hand is on one of the brothers crotch
@@cjking4511notice how you have no likes or comments? Sorry but cousins and aunts also said this happened. Were they lying as well? Zero percent chance
@@jonbreevaart7406 I do not write comments for likes. If I wanted likes I would be victimizing murders and playing emotional people desperate to cry and agree with victimizing the brothers. I encourage you to be mature and look at this objectively. The brothers were charged with the murders of TWO unarmed people. If a few cousins and two aunts testify that Jose was an abuser that means nothing because the brothers were charges with killing TWO people not just Jose. Even in that new unauthenticated letter from Erik to Andy, there is verbiage that works against the brothers’ case where Erik states his mother does not know about Jose and him. If someone does not know you are being abused they legally did nothing wrong so you do NOT have legal justification to kill them.
@@cjking4511obviously you’re misinformed. Menudo members also claim abuse by Jose aka monster dad
The video flickers on and off every few seconds throughout. I had to stop watching as the flashing sets off migraines/seizures. But thanks so much for posting 💗
That is your internet connection. The video is fine.
@@hol99-vw6ueits really not, its the video itself. The screen flashes black everytime a sentence is started and finished. So unnecessary and I couldnt even finish the video
Thank you, I had to stop watching for the same reason.
@hol99-vw6ue why you gaslighting the video is flickering.
@@jessea3270it was probably cut between pauses while lyle was testifying to make the video shorter. but i totally get how it would be annoying or harmful for those prone to seizures
So, folks... the lesson here is: show no mercy when getting vengeance on your abusers. They will lock you up at any chance they get. The system won't help you; it's run by demons. Make it worth it; don't hold back.
Uh, they did not show any mercy. Vengeance is not legal.
You mean never confess you murder your abuser to no one, therapist included.
Omg 😢😮😭💔 so so cruel
The boys never had a chance .with such monstrous parents
I’m just going to say , at that time had it been “Mary” and “Erica” instead of “Lyle” and “Erik” there would have been no doubt about letting them off free or with SLIGHT punishment 😒. They did them absolutely wrong by retrying them and leaving out ALL their evidence of abuse and testimony. They had two hung juries TWO! The judge just wanted to punish these MEN even more than what they’ve already lived through, especially when you add the fact he separated them , after the second hung jury they should have been sentenced to at least 5 years in prison that’s all the “justice” Kitty and Jose should’ve gotten.
How can life be so unfair?
Yes. You said it.
We need to all speak out our mind about this horrific injustice!
No doubt about it? Look at all the women who sue their perps and nothing happens.
These brothers were raise in a broken home and abnormal family. They need forgiveness they have paid the price for killing their parents🙏🏼❤️
Coming from a dysfunctional family, I thought my mom was a vampire!
She really is, an "energetic one", you know? Narcissists are vampire, they steal your energy, your life, your will to live, your desires. They have this wound, surely taken by their parents too, so one of your "gran" was a narcissist too.
Poor boys 😢 if they where menendez sisters would of been different ball game. Send support Lyle and Eric from uk 🇬🇧from my family to yours 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Not true about sisters, it's taking eons for females to be heard.
@@carolburke4359 Exactly!
From Lyles testimony, it’s also sounds like the parents may have had some underlining mental health, as someone who’s seasoned in knowledge with BPD and anxiety, what Lyle’s explaining about Kitty, is very similar to how people may react in situations; it mostly stems from abandonment, starting from childhood but any sort of betrayal (the affair of Jose) can provoke someone to react the way he’s sharing here, it can be explosive, full of passion but completely irrational. You’re emotions and logic can’t communicate, and sometimes there can be hints of narcissistic tendencies in there.
Not an excuse, at all. But it shows even the household wasn’t well.. for anyone and it just trickled down .. 💔
The fact that he needed one at such a young age proved to me that something was going on in that house.
Totally!!!
True but premeditated murder is not legal.
This is so so so sad I really hope they get to be free 😢
Having a controlling , manipulative , drunken mother who put me on guilt trips I believe these brothers. Let let out they've suffered enough. I was relieved my mum had dementia & was put in a home. She still controlled me after her death in my mind . It's taken me 7 years to get more confidence to express myself. I ended up living with the wrong type of people because I was just trying to escape. It wouldn't surprise me if they felt happier in prison. When your own parent is a monster & hates you , ignored you, abuses you anywhere is better then tolerating their anger. Obviously they suffer from PTSD & having to have lemon on your food to block out certain tastes they are suffering still. Abuse fades if you are away from it but it never goes away unless you block it out someway. Please let them be free💔
Well, you are a success, you did not harm your parents and you held your own.
I really don't have words for this the parents was the true devils😡😡 not Lyle and Erik 🤍🤍I hope god is going to make a wonder and they are free soon 😔❤️💔🙏🏼
I would not agree. Parent were devils, but you don't join evil and do worse.
I live the same way with my hair. i never take my hat off.
My mom used to spin out for HOURS ALL DAY LONG. Even my grandmother would marvel at how much energy she had to fuss all day.
THEY ARE NOT TELLING A LIE. Y ARE THEY MADE TO SUFFER?? WOULD YOU DO THE SAME TO YOUR MONSTER OF A FATHER??
No, I would not gun down my parents watching tv. I would move far away, and sue/file charges. That is the difference between someone who has their own ethics.
No. A real victim never kills a parent to get revenge, and then smirks and laughs when on trial
@@trebleclef3886File charhes against your rich father, who is high up in the establishment with lots of contacts, where do you think that would get you, do you think they would believe you?
Many people suffer but do not slaughter their parents. And remember, they lied about it numerous times. Wouldn't you lie if you did what they did?
This is heartbreaking in so many ways💔😭
Society was so wrong... They deserve to be free
I wish the parents were taken to court when they were alive to hear their side of the story
This would be something I would give anything to see! I would love to hear their side of the story.
I can imagine the mother being declared mentally unfit to stand trial!
Makes me so sad
They were certainly abused!
Why would a Loving mother make fun of her child being embarrassed in front of family. That right there shows how cold she was then she throws it at him….how insensitive unloving rude disrespectful arrogant useless and worthless mother she was. Cold hearted Snake is what she was.
What kind of sick person starts a fight with someone they know is grieving an opportunity to see a lived one for the last time? Her Father was dying ...she was in emotional pain
Don't insult Snakes 🐍
I feel like Lyle got most of the emotional abuse while Erik got most of the S.A.
Can’t wrap my mind around how unnecessary it was for them to be in prison for so long. Ludicrous. I’m a few years younger than Erik and I remember them well. I think over the last 35 years how much life I’ve lived, experienced, the friends, relations etc. And they never got that chance. Although I’m proud of the work they’ve chosen to do in prison and make the most of their life here. It will be a major celebration the day they are freed.
Had no idea Lyle had a hairpiece. I always thought he was the pretty one, but Daddy went after the other one.
His toupée has a different color from his real hair.
@@GatoPardo09never noticed
You gotta look hard tho lol
Those actors in the movie should not be given awards. No matter how good they were. They were doing job their jobs as actors. Obviously they have to be good. But menendenz, brother s condemned the movie. Film crew making movie of this tragedy
Why was it so embarrassing!! Really lady? Is that a question to ask a teenager who tried to conceal his insecurity of baldness ( that came out of stress ) with a hairpiece just to be stripped off suddenly by his mother in front of everyone? How devaluing and embarrassing that is when your biological mother puts on a show like that. Uggh😢
The parents could gave told Lyle that they loved him with or without hair and that he didn't have anything to be embarrassed about.
Free them 🕊️🕊️🕊️
Good Lord sounds like my biological mother. Not with hitting or abuse or anything like that, but I have to say mental and verbal abuse. Absolutely what he said starts and goes off about the whole life. I was like a boy.
Agree.
These guys should be out.
Terrrible abuse by a parent. Poor lyle.😢
So the mom didn't want to leave the dad alone because he might cheat with a woman but was completely ok with him gRaping her sons.
I wish they got away from those crazy parents before all this happened. Too much rage in that house .
That should have been their plan but they wanted the millions too.
LET THEM GO!!!!the GYPSY CRIME WAS THE SAME AND SHE IS FREE AFTER THE KILLING OF HER ABUSER MOTHER!!!!whats the difference? They they are MAN?
Gypsys bf got the same life sentence as the brothers because he is the one that killed her mom not Gypsy. If the brothers had done what Gypsy had done and just manipulated their boyfriends to do the crime then they would have gotten Gypsy's sentence.
@@cjking4511 no they wouldn't even if you were part of the crime you've been sentenced the same crime as the person who got killed. For some reason they let Gyspy get a second degree murder conviction because she was abused.
@@anne_1212 The cases are not similar. The factors of Gypsy's abuse had SOLID evidence of Munchausen by proxy not subjective evidence of SA like in this case. Gypsy herself did not do the crime. Firearms were not used in Gypsy's case. Using firearms always increases the severity of legal charges. Every state has different laws. Gypsy accepted a plea deal whereas the brothers did NOT accept a plea deal. Remember, Erik offered OJ advice to accept a plea deal in real life not just on this show? Why do YOU think Erik told OJ that?
Gypsy was never a victim of MBP lol
Sorry but she’s a life long grifter and liar. Her and her freak mother ran elaborate scams and once Dipsy wanted sausage, she manipulated a mentally retarded man to help her kill DD. She literally gives herself away two minutes into her police interrogation video.
Yes. But unfortunately also from a far less aware generation.
Yes.god still loves you.
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!! INJUSTICE TO THE MAX!!
Dear god she knew how much Lyle was insecure about losing his hair, she did it to humiliate him and in front of Erik too :(
FREE THEM!!
These boys have been disgustingly abused and humiliated. This story is devastating.
Now we can understand why they shoot their mom more times than their dad. She has violent rages and dump all her frustrations on her failing marriage on the boys. There is no love shown in the house. Ripping off his toupee is the final straw for Lyle. He is done.
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So why did they initially say they killed her just bc she would have been a witness and to put her out of the misery the dad caused? They also said she couldn't live without him like as if they did her a favour by killing her
Why keep flicking in and out of the video? It’s very distracting and nauseating.
You dont need the fading to black for every single slide. Its giving me epileptic cancer
When men have too much money, they neglect their wife and goes off with other women causing the wife to feel neglected, insulted, worthless and unloved. The root cause for the problem was the father who caused the mother mental health and thereby she took it out on the boys. Between the 4, the dad was thee true monster and he made sure she becomes weak so she can’t leave him since “picture perfect family” is what he lived for. Yet behind closed doors and sound proof walls…all the dad’s plan and manipulation turned out to backfired on him but sadly and tragically the mother was also the victim. Ahe was so manipulated by the dad that she became dependent on the him. But deep down she did love her sons. Thanks to her the perverted photos which the dad had taken of the boys naked were proof of how sick and twisted the dad was. I wish their mother had been saved and had help them she would have been fine and the boys would still have their mother. All moms love their children no matter how hurt or angry they are or the harsh things they say…mothers do love their children. Her final sadness and pained tears in the initial moment of death seeing her two sons in that state, I can only imagined how sorry she must of felt leaving this world, leaving her two precious sons who she couldn’t protect or failed to protect, regretting her wrongs and her final thought how love and family can end this way.😭😭
I feel disgusted that their dad did those disgusting horrible sick things to them. But how does their dad even look them in the eyes or go out in public all those years and smile….as if he is normal or what he did was ok? The dad was a monster and I hope the grim reaper came for him that day with spiked changes….the dad was no dad but a devil a monster a sick twisted inhumane devil who had tortured his very own innocent sons.
FREE THEM! 🙏🏼
Money cant compensate for really bad parents.
What a piece of work both parents were. 😢
Humiliated her son, hurt him physically too, how do you think these children would eventually feel about their parents?
The Blinking totally ruined the video. I’ve got ADHD n literally can’t hear the words because of how badly that distracts me. Shame
All they did was torture them. Horrible, just horrible. I feel so sad for both of them. Jose was a violent, sadistic RAPIST.
Fr!
So why did they tell the therapist that they only killed their mother bc she would have been a witness to their dad's murder, and she couldn't live without him?
@@laremabella This was dr. Oziel's explanation and conclusion and the boys agreed out of necessity so that the matter did not need to be discussed further as they did not want to reveal the S.A.. Also, the mother was suicidal and an alcoholic, but the reason they killed her was because she told them she always knew about the abuse. They felt betrayed by their mother.
His mother was a narcissist
Norma Novelli audiobook. The truth is comin'
Even if they were lying, which they clearly were not, they got a bum deal. There are serial child rapists walking the streets while the men are still behind bars .there is no justice in our system
Clearly not lying? How do you know?
@ have you done any research beyond seeing this video? I highly suggest you do, the mountain of evidence to validate their stories is criminal that they have spent 30 years behind bars already to say the least
Free the brothers !!!!
Croatia is on your side !
I try to figure out how they were ever convicted of anything more than possibly manslaughter, and the only thing I can come up is that the juries jealous that these young men came from money they didn’t have money. They came from a family that had money that’s the only thing I can think of why they were ever convicted
Ese hombre ya no existe. Ahora es un adulto.de 56 años quenha pasado.35 años en prisión.
Why psychologists don’t mention anything about how trauma builds up over years and PTSD? Brothers were so horribly abused and even though there was “ no imminent danger” to their lives they could get angry with the father who molested them and mother who pretended no knowing about this.
The experts explained everything at the trial, but they were not believed. It was too early for society to understand..
They should not have murdered their terrible parents. However, Eric & Lyle Menendez having served enough time as exemplary prisoners. Release them and let them live in peace finally. The tragedy is the what could have been had Lyle and Eric been born to loving,safe regular middle-class parents.
Poor kid 😢
This could be the narc rage 😮
What a horrible mother! I would never think of doing something like that to my son. Terrible.
I never knew he wore a toupee ?
I just don’t understand how the jury was hung at the first trial. Were they sleeping through the testimony??? 😡
I'm sorry Lyle 😞
Did the brothers ever take a lie detector test?
No. Lie detector tests are rarely actually admissible in court because they’re not terribly effective. Another thing that people don’t seem to understand is that the prosecution never really went out of their way to discredit their abuse testimony. The prosecution was focused on trying to prove that the murders were premeditated. Other than Pam Bozanich stating that men don’t have the necessary equipment to be raped, she didn’t really cross examine Lyle about the abuse. Erik’s prosecutor tried to imply that Erik was gay and that he would like having sex with his dad and even made a comment about having “homosexual relations” with his brother. Judge Weisberg also never said they were lying - he said they weren’t allowed to use it as a defence because they weren’t women.
As for the second trial, the abuse testimony was excluded because the judge decided it wasn’t relevant because he didn’t consider it a valid excuse for the murders. Not that it wasn’t true. They were never impeached on their abuse testimony in court. Lyle didn’t testify in the second trial for various reasons, but one of them was due to the Norman Novelli tapes. He doesn’t actually say anything incriminating on them, but of course if they had the opportunity to cross examine him on the tapes the prosecutors would attempt to twist his words. They never actually made it into evidence because they were a nothing burger and mostly just Lyle talking shit with someone he thought was his friend.
The prosecutors made some tacky comments both in and out of the courtroom, but the “they made it all up” accusations was heavily pushed by the media.
This aspect of the case is incredibly misunderstood and it’s quite frustrating. They had around 50 witnesses from their family, teachers, etc. who corroborated that their parents were abusive, as well as respected psychological experts who deemed their testimony credible. It’s quite far fetched and cynical to think 50 people would perjure themselves just to get a paycheque, especially considering people in their family - the siblings of both parents testified corroborating the physical and emotional abuse - had been murdered. Several of their cousins testified that when they were younger, they witnessed signs they were being sexually abused, and their cousin Andy testified that Erik told him his father was touching him when they were very young, but Erik swore him to secrecy. The media tends to ignore the 50+ people who testified for the defence and rely on the mom’s one brother who claimed they weren’t abused (and who not surprisingly revealed in his testimony he was not close to the family at all). The prosecution also never bothered to hire their own psychological experts to discredit the brothers’ testimony. That’s quite telling - their focus was proving the murders were premeditated.
@@shannonoreilly4695Very well said!!
😮mein Gott, ich kann es nicht mehr hören !! Seit der Netflix Sendung wird man mit den Brüdern nur noch konfrontiert! Der Prozess bzw auch der zweite Prozess ist doch alles geklärt worden . Hier stand die Tat vor Gericht NICHT das Motiv . Sie haben ihre Eltern hingerichtet! Es hätte definitiv andere Möglichkeiten gegeben sich dem zu entziehen.