I believe that Erik and Lyle were ti small to defend themselfs at the time. I'm so glad foalLyle that he defended his brother. His parents were Evil Monsters and sick in the head. They have served enough time behind bars. Free them. They likk3d them , in self defense.
Lyle is speaking purely from memory, he's right there confronting his abusive father, free those boys and give them some semblance of a life, free them physically/mentally & emotionally
They had NO CHOICE. José was a violent and also a powerful man, he wad mentally damaged and very ill. Kitty too . No father life threatens his sons, José did. These boys, now men, did a service to society. It was their life or their parents'.
Absolutely agree any longer and it could’ve ended with Jose taking his life his life and his sons lives with him it’s crazy how many cases you hear about where a narcissistic and abusive parent who feels they’ve lost everything decides to hurt their family one last time 😢❤
After learning what a monster Jose was including raping the Menudo member who was about 14 years old and drugged I have no doubt he would have had them killed and the vibe in that house must have been terrifying
I'm sure Jose abused other kids. This is an extremely difficult thing to talk about, for anyone. Most boys never tell. These boys probably would not have told, if things went a different way.
@@DolphinsPlayingInAquaMoonlight exactly! Why do we let powerful people, especially those in Hollywood, get away with abuse and violence?! I guess I know the answer: fear and influence. But it’s time for reform!
Even after dealing with abuse from his dad, he was still a solid guy who really didn’t want to hurt his parents or their image by telling family and the police what they did. But unfortunately he had no choice but to off his folks because he felt him and his brother were truly in danger.
I agree! I know that living with someone who is mentally unstable and threatening to your life , your siblings and your Mother happens more than anyone knows. These Men as young Men had to defend themselves because no one may have believed them back in the 90’s. I grew up as a teen afraid for my one brother and for our life. I wished God would take that person from us once and for all.
@@ecowifey4603para ellos su mundo de éxito y poder era lo mejor que les había pasado, no tenían ningún interés en que sus hijos destaparan todos los secretos sucios. Preferirían matarlos claro y ellos mismos quedar como unos pobres padres que ahora sufren la perdida de sus hijitos y que nunca se sepa lo que pasaba detrás de la puerta del hogar.
Y la madre feliz lo hubiera ayudado, con su transtorno narcisista podrían haber quedado hasta como " los pobres padres amorosos " que en una extraña circunstancia perdieron Asus tan amados hijos y la gente se los habría creído.. El dinero compra toda clase de voluntades.
I wonder if that was one plan that popped into dad's head. Stage a murder suicide. Known psychiatric problems in mom, stage it so it looks like she killed their sons and herself in revenge for his affairs or because she was not stable. Obviously, it's just a theory. But people have asked how the boys thought the parents could kill them and just get away with it. Here's another way.
I don't blame the boys one bit for what they done. At this point there was no other option but to unalived the parents. A case of unalive the parents first or the parents unalive them. You see Jose had repeatedly threatened them with unaliving if they ever told anyone. And both boys had just put themselves in the firing line bec Eric told Lyle and Lyle threatened to tell on Jose.So they feared for their lives. And they only just found out that Kitty knew all along and was chief accomplice to Jose, aiding and abetting his SA,and had a gun and wouldn't want this SA exposed and ruin her name so the boys saw the parents as one . At this point in time running away was useless. He would have someone track them down and unalived them. Even running away earlier he would have done the same, or fetched them home and beaten them up so bad that they would never have tried that stunt again. For all you disbelievers of the boys SA, you are sending a message to all SA victims to not tell anyone as you won't be believed but rather unalive your abuser, but do a better job of it than the boys did
These brother did a service to society if you don’t wanna see it that way, you don’t get it. They saved many other boys. The Menudo kid, now a man exposed him. How many others are not coming out. Jose M was a pedophile 🤷🏻♀️. They need to free those brothers!
Lyle, you reminded me of my heroes. Trying to reason with an abuser, have a calm conversation on how to my move forward.. and for them to just act like they don't care.. Your response were legit, Lyle. Anyone would get mad when abusers decided to continue the cycle.
Jose had the boys in a state of fear. He love to undermine them. That's a form of control typical trait of a narcissist. This man jose must have gone through something in his life that made him turn into a monster!.
From how Lyle describes his dad, he reminds me of mine, but he wasn’t sexually abusive. My dad has threatened me before, as well as my mom and siblings. He’s a narcissist, so you can never challenge him without being punished. His way or the highway. But he gave me the motivation to leave home, and I got a law degree. There are options. It’s too bad the Menendez brothers resorted to offing their parents.
LYLE YOU ARE A HERO!YOU SAVED ERIC YOU BOTH DESERVE OUT OF THAT JAIL! POOR BOYS! NOW MEN THE TWO OF THEM HEROES!! WHAT A SAD AND HORRIBLE S..A!😂😂 IT'S VERY HEARTHBREAKING! PLEASE FREE THEM!❤❤WHAT A HIGH EDUCATION THEY HAVE👏👏👏👏👏👏
Poor the Menedez brothers of all the horrific events that occurred throughout their lives. 😢his testimony seems real & truthful.. I felt nauseated 🤮 as i watched the videos .. NO kids should gone through that Hell life. I wonder why they did not get help from an adult like a school teacher & they both removed to a “foster “home. 🏠 .. please FREE them for 30 yrs in jail had been a punishment long enough. It’s true either the parents died or the sons. 😱😢🤔.. please FREE them & their parents will pay their dues up in the next world. The both look very fine “looking” young men today .. my heart sunk ❤ after hearing all these testimonies. May u both find happiness & peace with your wives today& hopefully have your own children. & be a better person..Both of your parents are severely ILL.. 🧐😱 Forgive their sins & there were other options to take beside “resorting “to violence. Get the counseling u both brother need & God 🤝🫶🏻🙏🏻will reward u brother duo both in a special way! I am only a few years older than u / & got married in 1989. I treasured both of my children & would even “died “for them.. & it’s so SAD that u both endured such a horrible childhood .. 😢😢☹️& so do the best of what left in your lives!! Forget the past &move on..
Horrifying, where or who could they turn to for help? I’m so sorry it came down to them killing their parents. I wish they would’ve just ran away from home. They’ve lost 30 years behind bars.
Questions are strategic bec they would have outlines of subjects & specific answers they anticipate the witness will say on the stand to be part of official record. They intend to establish a usually narrow 'storyline', with as little as possible 'holes' as the *opposing atty can exploit &/or the jury can misenterpret. If the attorney felt like the witness already expressed what they need for the 'storyline'.. it's just right she 'encourage' her witness to move on. Atty also sometimes use words or demeanor to steer the flow of info.. cues to help witness avoid straying frm their storyline.
Can someone clarify this for me? How did Lyle not know that the abuse towards his brother was continuing in his late teens until Erik told him? Is it because he was mostly living in the guest house?
I think that might have been one of the reasons his dad didn’t get caught but also he would do it when they were alone so Mabye he wasn’t around the house when most of the incidents happened
When Lyle confronted his dad at 13 about Erik’s abuse - the dad promised he would stop. The physical and sexual abuse always happened behind closed doors. Family members and Lyle assumed Erik was just getting hit. Also, no one dared to go into the room.
Their father groomed them to slowly accept sexual acts in such a young age. They were also threatened if they were to tell anyone or ran away. It's hard to break off from that psychological prison. Additionally, their father is not an average person. He was rich and has connections.
If Erik was his little sister that he saved from their abusive dad, Lyle would be considered a hero. he IS. He saved this little brother.
I believe that Erik and Lyle were ti small to defend themselfs at the time. I'm so glad foalLyle that he defended his brother. His parents were Evil Monsters and sick in the head. They have served enough time behind bars. Free them. They likk3d them , in self defense.
What I find troubling is a father raping both his sons.
So true and so heartbreaking
And abused Erik himself…🧐
@@yasminkausar5186 he was a small, traumatized child. This is a well understood trauma response of abused children
"You're not gonna touch my brother again". He kept his promise.
Hahaa! YES! I love Lyle.
the real one
He reminds me of Sonny Corleone from "The Godfather," when James Caan says, "If you touch my sister again, I'll kill ya!"
Lyle is one of my heroes. Protective and brave in my estimation.
I have seen situations where the oldest takes the burnt of the sexual abuse to protect their younger siblings. This is so sad.
Lyle is speaking purely from memory, he's right there confronting his abusive father, free those boys and give them some semblance of a life, free them physically/mentally & emotionally
They had NO CHOICE. José was a violent and also a powerful man, he wad mentally damaged and very ill. Kitty too . No father life threatens his sons, José did. These boys, now men, did a service to society. It was their life or their parents'.
Agreed
@eyraclarissa, Well said and agreed. Their father was psychotic, a true demon in human form.
Absolutely agree any longer and it could’ve ended with Jose taking his life his life and his sons lives with him it’s crazy how many cases you hear about where a narcissistic and abusive parent who feels they’ve lost everything decides to hurt their family one last time 😢❤
Yes
He was the original P. Diddy
After learning what a monster Jose was including raping the Menudo member who was about 14 years old and drugged I have no doubt he would have had them killed and the vibe in that house must have been terrifying
I'm sure Jose abused other kids. This is an extremely difficult thing to talk about, for anyone. Most boys never tell. These boys probably would not have told, if things went a different way.
Society has got to start being honest about this form of family dynamics and abuse
Lyle was terrified of his dad since he was a baby😭
His dad had been threatening his life for years. He had promised to kill him many times before
@@politereminder6284 His dad probably would have killed them eventually too. Have his powerful friends make it look like an accident or something.
@@DolphinsPlayingInAquaMoonlight exactly! Why do we let powerful people, especially those in Hollywood, get away with abuse and violence?! I guess I know the answer: fear and influence. But it’s time for reform!
I'm listening to Lyle and it sounds like he is telling the truth. He doesn't sound phony or rehearsed. It sounds painful.
He sounded real convincing on that 911 call too
@@AllegedlyAngelawelp, growing up their family look convincingly happy too.
@@AllegedlyAngela Not really. Bad acting on that call. In court, they are very believable.
@@AllegedlyAngelaactually he didn’t. It was very hammy on the call.
Free Erik and Lyle!!!
These young men spoke the truth.
Lyle was the only grown up that defended Eric.lyle you are amazing.i would of loved to have a brother like you.
Lyle omg stood up for his brother
Yes❤
Let them out!!!
Even after dealing with abuse from his dad, he was still a solid guy who really didn’t want to hurt his parents or their image by telling family and the police what they did. But unfortunately he had no choice but to off his folks because he felt him and his brother were truly in danger.
I agree! I know that living with someone who is mentally unstable and threatening to your life , your siblings and your Mother happens more than anyone knows. These Men as young Men had to defend themselves because no one may have believed them back in the 90’s. I grew up as a teen afraid for my one brother and for our life. I wished God would take that person from us once and for all.
I wonder if he thought his parents would both rather be dead than face the truth.
@@ecowifey4603para ellos su mundo de éxito y poder era lo mejor que les había pasado, no tenían ningún interés en que sus hijos destaparan todos los secretos sucios. Preferirían matarlos claro y ellos mismos quedar como unos pobres padres que ahora sufren la perdida de sus hijitos y que nunca se sepa lo que pasaba detrás de la puerta del hogar.
It really seems that Jose would have or attempted to kill his son to save his- (Jose's), reputation.
Y la madre feliz lo hubiera ayudado, con su transtorno narcisista podrían haber quedado hasta como " los pobres padres amorosos " que en una extraña circunstancia perdieron Asus tan amados hijos y la gente se los habría creído.. El dinero compra toda clase de voluntades.
FREE THEM 🙏
Jose could have been a potential family anihilator. We have so many cases like this today.
Instead his sons became family annhilators
I wonder if that was one plan that popped into dad's head. Stage a murder suicide. Known psychiatric problems in mom, stage it so it looks like she killed their sons and herself in revenge for his affairs or because she was not stable.
Obviously, it's just a theory. But people have asked how the boys thought the parents could kill them and just get away with it. Here's another way.
Please free the Menendez Brothers 😭🙏💯❤️🆓🔜🇿🇦📣
Well done for standing up to your father to protect your brother ,yiur mother was useless just a drunk
Please, God, grant them mercy and favor.
I don't blame the boys one bit for what they done. At this point there was no other option but to unalived the parents. A case of unalive the parents first or the parents unalive them. You see Jose had repeatedly threatened them with unaliving if they ever told anyone. And both boys had just put themselves in the firing line bec Eric told Lyle and Lyle threatened to tell on Jose.So they feared for their lives. And they only just found out that Kitty knew all along and was chief accomplice to Jose, aiding and abetting his SA,and had a gun and wouldn't want this SA exposed and ruin her name so the boys saw the parents as one . At this point in time running away was useless. He would have someone track them down and unalived them. Even running away earlier he would have done the same, or fetched them home and beaten them up so bad that they would never have tried that stunt again. For all you disbelievers of the boys SA, you are sending a message to all SA victims to not tell anyone as you won't be believed but rather unalive your abuser, but do a better job of it than the boys did
These brother did a service to society if you don’t wanna see it that way, you don’t get it. They saved many other boys. The Menudo kid, now a man exposed him. How many others are not coming out. Jose M was a pedophile 🤷🏻♀️. They need to free those brothers!
They were robbed of their youth.they were amazing boys and still are in spite of what their parents put them through.
Lyle, you reminded me of my heroes.
Trying to reason with an abuser, have a calm conversation on how to my move forward.. and for them to just act like they don't care..
Your response were legit, Lyle. Anyone would get mad when abusers decided to continue the cycle.
Lyle is a great brother.i would have loved to have a brother like him.
Jose had the boys in a state of fear. He love to undermine them. That's a form of control typical trait of a narcissist. This man jose must have gone through something in his life that made him turn into a monster!.
Jose's mom molested him while Kitty's dad was abusive, that's what I learned.
Those boys should have never spent one second in prison
From how Lyle describes his dad, he reminds me of mine, but he wasn’t sexually abusive. My dad has threatened me before, as well as my mom and siblings. He’s a narcissist, so you can never challenge him without being punished. His way or the highway. But he gave me the motivation to leave home, and I got a law degree. There are options. It’s too bad the Menendez brothers resorted to offing their parents.
Good for you. Hope you are living a great life. 😊
@@theriddlerUSA. Thank you so much!
@@theriddlerUSAyes!!
Jose was a big man in industry, he could find erik and lyle quickly if they tried to run from home
@@HxH_h34sz My dad could find me too . . .
I get the impression that Lyle took no shit
Especially the actor who portrayed him for the Netflix series
BRAVE!
FREE THEM.They already suffered long enough.Give their freedomm
LYLE YOU ARE A HERO!YOU SAVED ERIC YOU BOTH DESERVE OUT OF THAT JAIL! POOR BOYS! NOW MEN THE TWO OF THEM HEROES!! WHAT A SAD AND HORRIBLE S..A!😂😂 IT'S VERY HEARTHBREAKING! PLEASE FREE THEM!❤❤WHAT A HIGH EDUCATION THEY HAVE👏👏👏👏👏👏
If they were the Menendez sisters it would have been a total outcome.shame.
Poor the Menedez brothers of all the horrific events that occurred throughout their lives. 😢his testimony seems real & truthful.. I felt nauseated 🤮 as i watched the videos .. NO kids should gone through that Hell life. I wonder why they did not get help from an adult like a school teacher & they both removed to a “foster “home. 🏠 .. please FREE them for 30 yrs in jail had been a punishment long enough. It’s true either the parents died or the sons. 😱😢🤔.. please FREE them & their parents will pay their dues up in the next world. The both look very fine “looking” young men today .. my heart sunk ❤ after hearing all these testimonies. May u both find happiness & peace with your wives today& hopefully have your own children. & be a better person..Both of your parents are severely ILL.. 🧐😱 Forgive their sins & there were other options to take beside “resorting “to violence. Get the counseling u both brother need & God 🤝🫶🏻🙏🏻will reward u brother duo both in a special way! I am only a few years older than u / & got married in 1989. I treasured both of my children & would even “died “for them.. & it’s so SAD that u both endured such a horrible childhood .. 😢😢☹️& so do the best of what left in your lives!! Forget the past &move on..
Horrifying, where or who could they turn to for help? I’m so sorry it came down to them killing their parents. I wish they would’ve just ran away from home. They’ve lost 30 years behind bars.
You boys were so genuinevon the stad.its a shame i
Free them. Their abuse was horrific
The dad was a nut job 😂
… the dad was a pedophile and child abuser… “nut job” is putting it mildly. He was a predator.
Stupid questions that woman is asking. Why doesn’t she let him talk?
She's his attorney
@@teresamagnusson still, the questions are stupid
@@ayseadel607No. They serve a purpose
@@teresamagnussondamn but I didn’t know attorneys were supposed to be mean to their client during the questioning
Questions are strategic bec they would have outlines of subjects & specific answers they anticipate the witness will say on the stand to be part of official record. They intend to establish a usually narrow 'storyline', with as little as possible 'holes' as the *opposing atty can exploit &/or the jury can misenterpret. If the attorney felt like the witness already expressed what they need for the 'storyline'.. it's just right she 'encourage' her witness to move on. Atty also sometimes use words or demeanor to steer the flow of info.. cues to help witness avoid straying frm their storyline.
She interrupts to much.
Can someone clarify this for me? How did Lyle not know that the abuse towards his brother was continuing in his late teens until Erik told him? Is it because he was mostly living in the guest house?
I think that might have been one of the reasons his dad didn’t get caught but also he would do it when they were alone so Mabye he wasn’t around the house when most of the incidents happened
Lyle was at university.
That was part of Jose’s sick grooming.
When Lyle confronted his dad at 13 about Erik’s abuse - the dad promised he would stop. The physical and sexual abuse always happened behind closed doors. Family members and Lyle assumed Erik was just getting hit. Also, no one dared to go into the room.
@@mmmmlllljohnLyle was at university just one year.
These men need to be freed.
You know we can't never blame them to their acton.thats tha only choice that have.at tha very young age
How long did he wear a hair piece ?
I think it was from @age 16. Hair loss in teenagers is often caused by stress
@@ShortCanuckso sad :( he was harming that boy.
He was gorgeous
Why did Lyle repeat the same Acts of Sexual Abuse/Rape? to Erik, that his Father did to Lyle?
He was very young, this is a trauma response😢
He was a little kid. Only eight years old. To echo the other reply, it's unfortunately a trauma response.
I think jose knew one day something was about to happened to him and kitty bc of their perv sadistic side
Wow. 😢
No doubt Lyle was abused at all
why these boys didn’t leave the house
Their father groomed them to slowly accept sexual acts in such a young age. They were also threatened if they were to tell anyone or ran away. It's hard to break off from that psychological prison. Additionally, their father is not an average person. He was rich and has connections.
you don’t know fear
@@mind-os2cy I was just so sad about them
Elizabeth Fritzl tried to escape and look what happened to her
One Reason they wanted it all, they thought they had pulled off the perfect crime and they almost did if not for Eric.