***** but to be fair MOS was worse, ironman did damage yes but tried to keep it away from people, and hulk wasn't in control he was going nuts, the build they destroyed I believe was abandoned looked it, where as in superman he was just punching them thru shit with little regard as to weather people were there or not, the gravity thing wiped out a shit load of people the sky scrapers that were destroyed and anything in the area, just in superman even though he had the government behind him there seemed to be little to no concern for people's safety
Reece Martin The ppl were clear of his fighting area for the most part, and he saved the soldiers who were in the way, but Superman was fighting military-trained Kryptonias who could fly and throw him through buildings. There's no way he could've beaten Zodd by running away to a populated zone to move someone when Zodd's arguably faster than him and even if he knocked Zodd out instead of killing him where would they put him w/out knowing about kryptonite.
The problem people had with Man Of Steel is how Superman does stuff like flinging Zod into buildings and Superman charging straight through Skycrapers after Zod not even attempting to protect the civilians through out the fight. In Avengers we openly see the heroes try to save the civilians and we see that Tony is trying to stop Hulk and most of the destruction is caused by Hulks rampage. Tony even goes as far as trying to find an empty building to smash hulk in.
garowice Its also more Avengers are known to save people where they can but not go out of their way to the point of showing weakness in doing it, were Superman's major flaw is suppose to be that he will put himself in the face of death to stop destruction and save civilians.
garowice To be fair, Superman did the same thing in the cartoon show as well. He smashed Darkseid trough 3 buildings with one punch. And nobody complains about that. Superman has disregarded human life before the movie.
Zivko To be honest, that line bugged me. I just find it hard to believe that a homicidal robot who wants the extinction of the human race could be religious.
MrLuizilla It's more of an expression of disbelief, like when people utter "Jesus Christ." it can be uttered by anyone who has been exposed to Christianity. maybe he got the expression while surfing the net.
That's coz a bad superman movie is still better than a great avengers movie. Pray that batman v superman isn't good, else mcu will never get any coverage again.
Quintin houghtby Seriously. Never-mind that the US govnt knowingly bares the consequences of the Avengers destruction w evacuation contingencies in place..., whereas Superman is really just a rouge faction in an otherwise totally unexpected alien invasion. Goddamn butthurt DC fans.
Lude Crestfallen Arent they literally both the same? Both Superman and the Avengers don't answer to the government, and before you say the Avengers did so in the comics, there is no indication they do so in the movie.
David Lance Escandor they're not literally the same but they could be seen as vaguely similar, but that's pretty much a stretch and frankly the DC fan boy butt hurt is really really overshadowing what should be a review of the Avengers movie.
David Lance Escandor Actually there was that whole scene where Maria Hill was telling Tony Stark they all needed to ghost while SHIELD aka the Fed handled the PR & cleanup. Besides, I'm sure that's exactly the premise of the Civil War Captain America movie. Oh yeah there's a guy on the team named Captain America, so again...
Charlie Reyes He's technically made of living matter, kind of like a cyborg. Besides, he can make decisions for himself, and do anything else that a living sentient being can do, perhaps more. I'd say that's makes him just as living as anyone else.
I think the key difference between Man of Steel and Age of Ultron is that Marvel actually made a point of the Avengers saving people. They made a big deal out of it. In Man of Steel they have no intention of showing that (last bit doesn't count as that was a plot device to add impact to Zod's death).
As for the "tone" argument it's easy to see the bleakness of Man of Steel doesn't do the character justice not to mention the god awful colour grading.
Alfa Also Marvel made a point of showing the repercussions of the destruction in a way that made sense. Superman flying through Skyscrapers and throwing Zod straight through buildings and everyone says he saved them. Hulk rampaging through a City and Tony trying to contain him to his best effort, everyone starts hating on The Avengers.
History of Video Games I am not a Marvel fanboy, I am just a fanboy of movies. And Man of Steel is a very flawed movie. If you watched Nostalgiacritics review of it, you would know that. Stop being mad, when people point out the flaws of your Superman movies.
Gothamite1999 It doesn't get more hate. People(both haters and fans of the movie) just won't respect each others opinion, so they end up being the loud minority. I think most people think it was decent/alright.
I feel Vision has just been set up to die because he now has one of the infinity stones keeping him alive basically. Quick Silver shouldn't of died! The guy slows down time when he runs so he could easily pulled Hawkeye and the kid away while also dodging the bullets. Thought they were going bring him back alive with that tissue making machine. Also Thor is way powered down in the films! Like when Ultron was beating him around near the key at the end! I was like "He's a GOD!! No way he is getting his ass kicked around by a machine!" Hopefully they either give (New) Hulk or Black Window their own stand alone movie and can develop the Hulk and Black Widow from there.
Zivko Well maybe, what I think is when the Mind stone gets removed from his head, he probably turns into Ultron, because we never saw him kill the last Ultron Robot.
Nah Vision is like Ultron he can exist on the internet so losing that body does not kill him. The only reason Ultron died with his bodies was because he was kicked off the net by Vision.
Zivko He could always come back to life.. Dr.Strange has the power to bring people back from the dead. He did it in Infinity Gauntlet when Thanos Killed all of the Avengers lmfao. And they still have the Soul Gem to recover as well
Sean Garner Well, his "final form" wasn't any different that his previous form. Vision's body was supposed to be his final form, but the Avengers ruined that for him, lol.
not sure the destruction in man of steel was the problem the problem was snyder's absolutely terrible "shakeycam" direction. its EVERYWHERE and it ruins scenes
Ryukachoo Artistically, I had less problem with the camera movement and more with the colour palette - almost every scene seems like all colours except blue were toned down. Story-wise, I feel the destruction wasn't anywhere near as bad as the kiss in the midst of it after or his father's death.
Ryukachoo peoples problem wasnt the city destruction... but the problem was the death of people. in avengers they purposely get everyone out of the city. in every action scene avengers save people. and hulk never killed anyone so not sure where joe got that from.
Oh my god, thank you! Finslly here somebody understands. I wish people like Angry Joe would look at that more as to why MoS was a chore to get through.
Ryukachoo I thought it was because they fucked up Superman's parents. You know, the entire reason Superman IS as good of a person he is? It's because of his parents and how they raised him.
The problem with the destruction in Superman is that he doesn't seem to show any concern for the people. Sure in the final fight of both Avengers there are a bunch of Heroes running around so some of them can work on saving people. But the fight between Hulk and Ironman is more comparable in terms of a fight. During the Hulk fight you can see that Tony actually is concerned for civilian casualties and tries to carry hulk out of the city at one point. In another point he saves an elevator full of people by catching it and letting them get out before the hulk slams him again. And when he slams Hulk through the building he scans it first to make sure no one is inside. It's these little details that show the character actually cares. In the Superman fight he doesn't seem the slightest bit concerned with collateral damage. He seems cold and uncaring for the most part which is the problem people have. A dark Superman story would be one where he actually TRIES to save people but fails and has to come to terms with that, even though he may have saved the day. Instead you get a Superman who drags Zod to a small town to fight it out with increased chance for civilian casualties. It’s been a while since I have seen the final fight so I went and rewatched it to point out a few things. Zod pushes a Gas truck at Superman and he casually jumps over it allowing it to slam into the building behind him which then causes that side of the building to collapse in the explosion. After which he shows little interest in trying to get Zod out of the city or away from civilians, it’s just a big beat down which gets drawn to previously undamaged parts of the city. The only time he really seems to show any intelligence in the fight is using his eye beams to cut the metal bar Zod swings at him in half. Eventually you land in the final part of the fight where Superman is forced to kill Zod to save some civilians. But this doesn’t feel like a natural flow of his character but instead feels forced since prior to this he has not shown the slightest bit of concern for others during his fights. At a bare minimum he could have told the people on the streets to get back when he landed there, that would have shown some concern. I also don’t buy the he’s new at it excuse because the first part of the movie tries to show he has been secretly saving people as he travels, almost like the old Hulk TV Series. So he’s had some experience with people in dangerous situations, just not one to this extreme. Then at the end of the movie he destroys a 12 Million dollar drone by having a near miss with the Generals car just to make a point. Which further shows he also has no regard for property, and is rather arrogant about it plus his attitude in general is very dismissive. He tells the General to convince the people in power to accept him rather than trying to do it himself. In previous movies there was less collateral damage due to smaller special effects budgets. But also the villain would often do something to intentionally endanger civilians and catch superman off guard with a sucker punch. This shows that Superman was more concerned with human life than beating the bad guy, something not shown in the new movie. At the start of the final fight Zod even tells Superman that he is going to punish him by killing the humans one by one. Yet he jumps right into a slug fest with superman instead of making good on his threat. Such as by taking off to start causing Havoc by killing random people and causing mass destruction, all while taunting Superman for not being able to stop him would have lead more naturally into Superman being forced to Kill Zod as ever moment he delays more people die. Now that would have been a Dark movie and still been fitting of superman because at least he TRIES to save as many as he can. After all some of the most dramatic stories in Superman comics have been when superman fails to save someone, especially an established character. The Superman Animated series where Darkside kills that cop guy before leaving comes to mind.
I'd like the add that a good example of trying and failing is the Dark Knight. Batman doesn't save Rachel, and Harvey becomes scared and turns into two face. Then in the finally confrontation even though the day is saved the Joker has still won. By tainting Harvey he forces Batman to take the blame for all Harvey's deeds so that Harvey's cases are not over turned and the criminals he put away don't go back on the street. Since Batman is forced to take the mantle of killer so that Harvey's reputation can remain untainted this is the Joker's final victory as it taints them all by forcing them to lie. This is what Gordan means at the end with the speech about the Hero they deserve but not the one they need right now. As Batman was the strong moral hero willing to sacrifice everything, including he's reputation, to do what was best for the city. But they needed a Hero who does things in the light as a symbol of Hope, who stood up against corruption, like Harvey did before becoming Two-Face.
PyroMancer2k Also didn't help Superman angst over killing Zod to protect the family, since the MoS went out of it's way showing Superman doesn't sweat over the collateral damage, so the drama's highlight felt forced, and not build up properly.
trisha Hernz Exactly. The scene was so forced it was ridiculous, which is what I think a lot of people didn't like about it. If you sit down to watch it and turn your brain off, or have the mind of a child, then ya it's a decent action film. Cause if your looking for a Micheal Bay style Superman than MoS will do it. But for those of us who wanted more it falls far short.
Wintermute01001 Exactly. The MoS and AoU destruction may have been pretty much on par with each other, overall, but AoU goes out of its way to acknowledge that people (the public, the media, and even the Avengers) are *reacting* to the devastation.
Wintermute01001 yep, they hammer that nail so hard in age of ultron. tony freaking designs a way to handle the hulk if he goes bonkers. he even bought the building he crashed the hulk into.
Wintermute01001 Yeah he didn't stop a Kryptonian military force from killing the entire planets population after only a few days of being Superman /kappa
But superman is just one guy and the writers had him focus on the actual situation in stead of thousands of people dying. But then again the world machine is the only thing that killed people. While superman and zod was fighting no one was in the buildings and when superman crashed into the concrete. No was there and everyone were by their cars. In smallville they got in the stores and locked the doors so nobody got hurt there either. The only time I saw someone maybe was when superman ran into big building in smallville when he was protecting his mom. But other than that nothing. so um show me proff that he let hundreds of people die. prove it buddy
darcrequiem I'd buy that argument if Superman actually showed some emotional reaction to all the collateral damage around him. Sacrificing thousands of lives to save billions should be an agonizing choice for him. If he'd stared in terror of the wrecked city rather than making out with Lois, I'd believe that the filmmakers truly meant to put Superman in a morally difficult situation. Instead, it seems like they were hoping we'd be too awed by the Transformers-esque destruction in the background to think of the people in those buildings.
Joshua Goodnight You weren't paying attention then. Zod was in the city because that's where the world engine was. If Superman left the city, Zod wouldn't have followed.
This is the easiest way to sum up the destruction in Man of Steel vs The Avengers... In the Avengers, Tony not only saves people who will fall to their death, he tries to drop the hulk into an empty area to minimize casualties which only backfires when the hulk pulls him into a building. In man of steel, however, superman shows no regard for human safety; he not only literally side steps a truck which then explodes behind him not even worrying about the damage he might have caused to others he also punches Zod into buildings which CLEARLY house people therefore making superman part of the problem by endangering more people as opposed to Tony which is trying to contain the situation.
Altinore How is it clear that there were people in those buildings. I didn't see any people in them. Besides what kind of complete moron would stick around when their city is being leveled by the world engine? Anyone who didn't evacuate the area probably died when the world engine crushed them. So why would Superman worry about civilians who weren't even there? There was no need. Sure, at the end of the fight they're in a populated area, but that's why Superman finally gives in and kills Zod.
Mark Paalman The "real" Superman has years of experience and skill. This Superman is embracing his powers for the first time. That was the second fight in his entire life. The first being the one in Smallville after Zod threatened Clark's mother. He literally spent his entire life hiding his powers, so the best he could do was instinctually doge the truck.
SpiderboyN2Jesus so... you're defense is that there were possibly no people... in a building... in the middle of a city.. thats based on New York?.. do you know how hard it is to escape from a building at lightning speed? let alone a collapsing one much like the events of the movie? ill save you the trouble of using brain power; there's video of such an event. it might even be on youtube; look up "9/11/2001".
Infinity War Part 2 is gonna end like this: after every single Marvel character is dead(avengers, the new avengers, gaurdians the galaxy, and the defenders) one new hero climbs the pile of dead bodies and finally defeats Thanos; Squirrel Girl. She then uses the reality gem to bring them all back, including uncle ben, peggy carter, and howard stark.
FlashPool YES! YES! FINALLY somebody remembers Squirrel Girl! "Maybe it's just me, but I'm not crazy about super hero stories where everything's all dark and moody. Personally, I like the ones where good guys fight giant apes on the moon and stuff. Remember those? I do. That was back when comic book worlds were places you wanted to escape to... not from." THE Quote of my Fiction-Loving Life.^^
That would be hilarious. Or it could just be scarletwitch that survives and uses her powers to "reboot" the entire universe to avoid all the damage caused by thanos. This would be the time for Marvel to restart and recast freely, hopefully with the xmen added by that time...
FlashPool Remember that Guardians of the Galaxy also re-introduced Howard the Duck... They don't need to use squirrels to beat Thanos, they have a duck. :/
ReVo_Twiitch I may be wrong but people are mad that Black Widow called herself a monster for being made sterile at a young age, meaning she can't have kids, in order to be an assassin.
The reason no one says Black Widow has no business there is because, and really think about this, she's the female lead. Audience goers tend to give women passes when it comes to fighting ability and measuring up to physically superior counterparts. Think about the fight scenes that include Black Widow and Mystique from X-Men. Super agile, but no super strength or speed, yet they are rarely ever hit and usually take out opponents in one hit.
N Slater yeah it really annoys me that females that are strong or are fighter type characters in movies/video games are sexy, slim and have no muscle. The woman build like a super model can lift, throw and beat the shit out of a 250 pound muscle man. I'm fine with powerful women characters but cmon..look the part.
Jeralamo That is unfortunately the result of today's industry. "We want strong women, but they must look glamorous. Men, flex those muscles. Girls, rock those hips." I think Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley are the best examples of what an action woman needs to look like. It's possible to be both tough and pretty, sure. But usually it's just pretty. Now, Scarlett Witch in this movie was powerful, but wasn't stunt oriented, so her look is perfect for her character.
N Slater Well it could also be because at least in the comics she is actualy biotechnological enhanced (heals faster than normal humans, doesn't age (or ages realy slow) is immune to diseases). The movies don't realy go into her origin so I at least assume that she has the same origin like in the comics. That would make Hawkeye the odd one in the Avengers, as the only one without any form of enhancement.
Toothless_Gam3r The stupid movie had nothing of Age of Ultron, so, who cares about Ultron? I mean, it is the f*cking title of the movie! and there was not an age uf Ultron at all. So, we can talk about anything else, which seems more important for the producers.
Hold on, since when are people comparing this or the first avengers movie to man of steel for any reason. Man of steel is about superman not the justice league. The comparison makes no sense Joe, why even bring it up? People should only be comparing the Avengers and the eventual Justice League movie. I could care less about the destruction in this movie or man of steel. There's no need to start or finish an argument that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Wait for justice league please, that's where you can really start to get a fair assessment of things. I would never pit a movie with one guy against a movie that had movies before it set it up and converge an entire team for that big blow out.
Omar Rivero Now granted those 1-3 people were just as powerful as he whereas the army, while many, were just robots. Ultron controlled robots, but robots nonetheless.
I'll just go ahead and unwring the knot for the sake of these idiots: Iron Man cursed. Captain America rebuked him, saying "language!" The rest of the team turned it into a running gag throughout the film.
Joe is just such a fanboy. It is so irritating. The difference is that Iron Man was fighting Hulk on "his terms" whether Iron Man goes there, fights him but destroys alot of the city or if he doesn't and Hulk destroys the entire city anyway. Superman fought Zod on his own terms. He could have taken that fight out to sea and Zod would have followed him, he could have taken it to space and Zod would have followed him. But no he decided to keep it in a city full of people. Not only that but he didnt even try to save anyone. Iron Man, sure he ploughed Hulk through a building but he atleast had some kind of thought for the civilians even if it was a small one. Superman didn't give a fuck.
***** Also the whole movie of Ultron revolved around Bruce Banner trauma from destroying everything and that incident. Why he left the Avengers, whilst Snyder just totally cut out any aftermaths, had Superman crushing a drone-- and smilingly becoming a journalist.
***** No zod would have not followed him, he would be happy to be left with humans without superman, he would have just continue to kill humans until superman comes back. He said he will destroy the human why not start with the ones of metropolis. Zod WANTS to fight in a populated areas, so he would not let superman take him away from them.
femtoservants Ye but in the later part of the fight we clearly see Superman in control of the fight until the neck snap. He dictated the fight as he was winning. And even still Zod wanted to kill Superman as he had just destroyed Krypton's last chance at living again. He didn't care for humans as much as he wanted to kill Clarke.
***** Dictated the fight would be a bit too much, with zod strenght and experience it could turn the other way around quickly. Gaining the upper hand for a moment does not mean its over. And yes zod was clearly more angry against kal el but he would have be ok to be left with humans, he would kill them to force superman to come back, the more time he was passing with earth atmosphere the stronger he was getting.
femtoservants Yes it could have,but it didn't for one reason. When Zod lost his chance to save Krypton, like a human he lost his mind and wanted nothing but to kill Kal. Not only was he not thinking rationally and remaining in control of the fight, but he lost a lot of his skill as he was not focusing but fighting through rage. Making it much easier for Kal to fight him as all the experience he had was basically negated. Zod like I said took on a very human trait when he lost the ship to save Krypton. He was enraged like I said followed Kal everywhere, he was not thinking logically like to do what you said and go back and threaten Kal with human lives to fight on Zod's terms. But he wasn't interested in humans, just Kal. And by then The World Engine was destroyed so Krypton's atmosphere wasn't increasing nor was Zod's power. The battle was completely dictated by Kal, while it may not be because of his strength being more than Zod, it was because Zod was playing every move into Kals hands.
***** Well im kinda a newbie to all this, I mean i know the basics but i don't know all the deep characters and what not. What is the deal with that? is it because vision has all the knowledge or something? Perhaps the stone helped do that? was a little confusing as to why he was capable of doing that. Or is he just a future ruler?
***** It's an awesome surprise. I wouldn't say it to a friend. I want to see their reaction. Did anyone else have a wave of gasps and laughs in the theater? It's a fun experience. :3
I was confused on two things in this movie. 1.) Why didn't Tony have a panic attack when Scarlet Witch showed him his vision? Iron Man 3 showed us that if anyone mentioned anything about the alien attack on NY he immediately had anxiety. 2.) This might've been cut out, but how did Tony end up fighting with the Avengers again? The ending of Iron Man 3 kind of led us on that he was going to always be "Iron Man", but he was done with the suits, or it was just poorly explained. I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten to mention, but I really did enjoy this film. I think I might've liked it a little more or less than Winter Soldier, but Guardians of the Galaxy is still my #1 Marvel film. BTW, everyone should watch Daredevil (Netflix Series), it's amazing.:)
Alexander Barker I can only answer ending No 2 Insourance ending in the case RDJ was unable to play Iron man anymore. Arround the time Iron man 3 was made, contract of RDJ was over, and they had to end it in a way that his arc could be closed, but ensuring that he oculd be back if he got called again.
lsebastian9086 Ah, okay, that's right. Now they have him under contract for another Avengers and Civil War, right? Or do they just determine it movie by movie?
Alexander Barker the idea is that the suits in 3 sucked because they were almost ALL baset on attaching to him in fragments. Also he built them while having the angsiety issues and bad dreams so they weren't top quality(that was emphesised with the mark 42 and all the armors getting trashed during the fight scene). Now he is in good shape, not relying on the heart ark reactor, so the new suits are sturdier...
Alexander Barker There are factors. Civil war and avengers 3 are the ones there, but no Iron man 4. And we also have to consider the fact that sono or later an actor will want to take a break, cause doing those projects takes a hell of a time.
Ivo Gerginov Part of the idea of the ending seemed to be that he was going to move on and live a safer life with Pepper. After the Killian had Stark's home address attacked, it seemed that Tony realized he couldn't let Pepper get in danger again, so he gave up the suit, but still will spiritually be Iron Man. That's how I interpreted that at least. The suits were an issue though, which I agree with you on completely. Like I said, I feel like the ending was very sloppily done when it came to possible sequels/spin-offs, but that's just me.
"Everything that happens in Man of Steel happens in this movie" .. EXCEPT seeing how heroes moving and saving civilians. Superman didn't do that. He only once tried to protect a family when he snapped Zod's neck but aside from that he was the cause of quite a bit of destruction. I know the Avengers did the same but you could see them organizing to avoid civilian casualties, moving people away from the battle because they could not move the battle away from the people. The Avengers were FORCED to fight in the streets because the villains were not going to leave. Superman could have led Zod away, but instead he brought Zod to the city to fight. The destruction doesn't bother me with either movie, it's the responsibility of the situation.
I do not hate Man of Steel, I simply tell it as it is, and nothing will change the scene where Superman smashes into Zod and crashes through giant oil containers followed by a gas station with civilians everywhere.
TakTheFox Zod can fly as well and was controlling that fight . Look up Man of Steel Myths ....It completely debunks your arguments. He outright told Kal that he was going to kill humans to make him suffer so leading him away wasn't an option because there was no guarantee he would follow.
Krolus That debunks nothing and Zod said he would do that AFTER there had already been destruction caused by Superman. Superman Moved The Fight Towards Civilians It does NOT matter if Zod was going to push towards the city because Superman made no attempt to move the fight away from civilians AT ALL. Even with the family Zod almost fried they both crashed in there because of BOTH of their actions.
Love ya Joe, but I have to disagree with you on this one. All throughout the Avengers movie, every scene where they were fighting in the city, they were thinking of civilian lives first. Even during that runaway train sequence Cap had Quicksilver shoved civilians out of the way so they weren't injured by the train. The only reason Iron Man fought Hulk in the city is because he was FORCED to since Hulk was attacking innocents thanks to Scarlet Witch. During that fight he ordered civilians to get away, saved a bunch in an elevator and finally found an empty building under construction with no people inside to smash Hulk into and end the fight. Every single city fight there were constant references to keeping civilians safe. In Man of Steel, Zod and the others were mainly out to get Superman himself in those fight scenes that were in populated areas. At anytime Supes could have just flown away from the area into a canyon, flatlands or mountain area with few people around. Instead, he CHOSE to stay and fight in the city against Zod instead. Outside of finally snapping Zod's neck to save a couple, not once did we even get a scene of Supes going "I have to keep these people safe!" or showing any concern over the citizens of metropolis. That's the big difference. Iron Man was FORCED to fight inside the city. Supes wasn't. BTW, what do you think of comic book Supes flying being nerfed and being replaced by "leaping over tall buildings in a single bound" again?
Jason Berry I will say that at the very least, he was an inexperienced Superman. Tony Stark should be in fucking jail! He created Ultron to begin with not to mention that the Government was right in the second movie. Iron Man was created with government funded money, ergo it's a weapon of the U.S. Government. At least Banner felt somewhat responsible for his part not only in co-creating Ultron but for the Hulk rampaging the city. Enough so that he quit the team (although how does Hulk know how to control a plane in any way? I guess it'l just crash since he can survive that no problem. I'd have loved for the after credits moment to be Banner hitchhiking like at the end credits of the TV series.
So glad you said that about Man Of Steel Angry Joe. Its was so crazy how people were hating on the destruction on the superman movie but no one mentioned it about The Avengers.
What I don't get is, Scarlet Witch is suppose to be an omega level mutant, one of the most powerful beings on the planet. But in the Marvel movies she is so underpowered.
to be fair to DC, we've only seen one movie in their cinematic universe. and, all people have been judging them on so far are leaked trailers, set photos and PR material. people have misjudged them before on that (Heath Ledger Joker reveal)... plus, why do people keep wanting DC to ape Marvel's style? let them go their own way. their dark realistic tone sets them apart and have been successful for them for some time...
***** Thanos is a beast. He beats the Silver Surfer regularly, he's taken on Galactus by himself, and he once kept Eternity in a cage. He's actually way out of Superman's league.
1) apples and oranges both grow from a tree. 2) apples and oranges are both great for making juice ! 3) apples and oranges both have seeds inside of them.
I think that the best character in this movie was Ultron, he affected me the moment he started talking, he brings up points about how humanity keeps protecting because we don't want to change, that humanity needed to evolve in to metal, it was great and actually had me on his side some of the movie, he was played and executed amazingly
People need to realise this is not the comics. Vision had the Infinity stone to add stakes, really great stakes which means Thanos would have to kill Vision to obtain this stone. And Vision could not be as powerful as in the comics (The same goes for Scarlet Witch) So that they could be in this cinematic Universe and not be overpowered to a boring extent. Even Thanos will probably be nerfed to suit movies, not comics. This is why it pisses me off when people bitch about Civil War being small compared to the comics, because if it was exactly the same it would be too cluttered and end up a mess. Basically, the differences from the comics are NOT detriments, they're simple differences. If fans prefer the comics, the comics are still there? Nothing has been ruined, for those who maybe prefer the cinematic universe (Like me) These movies are just getting better and better, stakes raising and villains becoming more and more threatening and interesting. Rant over, thank you for reading :P
Andras Petersen & I still can't believe they're gonna make a theatrical release animated Spider-Man movie.. I hope it doesn't, but I think it will bomb...
I'm just very annoyed of hearing people saying Marvel does everything right and DC does everything wrong outside comics, while completely ignoring animated works.
AngryJoeShow I wouldn't worry much about Chris Evans. He says that if Marvel offer him to come back as Cap after his contract, he'd seriously consider it. Also, even if they do kill him in Civil War, he'll come back. He's got 3 movies left - Civil War and both Infinity Wars, which will begin filming late 2016. If Evans stays, Bucky will continue to be Winter Soldier.
Also, Hawkeye's actor isn't quitting. This is the lineup for Civil War. Captain America Iron Man Falcon Hawkeye War Machine Black Widow Scarlet Witch Vision Ant-Man Black Panther Winter Soldier Crossbones Baron Zemo Thunderbolt Ross
The Man of Fucking Steel? Why bring that piece of crap up to ruin the mood? In The Man of Shit, our 'hero' actually dragged the fight into populated areas. He never gave a shit about the damage being done all around him. Not even a concerned glance. That's not the Superman we know and love. And let's not even go into all the plot holes in that film. It just makes my head spin at how bad that film was. Joe, please stop being an apologist for that film. It was crap, admit it and move on.
Jamie Grabow It was better. They actually went out of their way, multiple times, to save people. Iron Man attempted to take Hulk out of the city, but Hulk being Hulk, it didn't work. That I can accept. What I can't accept, is Superman dragging the fight to Smallville. Or, dragging the fight *from space* all the way back down to Metropolis.
drksideofthewal Agreed. The Avengers 2 was way better. The Man of Steel does not even compare to this film in terms of story, character development and us actually caring about the characters. The only thing comparable was the destruction around the fights. But in the Avengers 2, concern was shown for innocent bystanders. Whereas in Man of Steel, no one gave a damn. And in my book, that's the difference between a hero and an asshole. The Superman in the first five films, was a true hero. The Man of Steel however, was an asshole.
GameStation3 Actions speak louder than words. His actions indicated that he did not care. As for those videos you refer to ... manofsteelanswers? More like man of steel plot hole excuses lol. I don't have time to look at them in detail, but the battery analogy and atmospheric weakness video was just stupid. That's not how Superman's powers work.
TrollCrusher101 If he didn't care, he wouldn't have bothered to destroy Zod's World Engine at all. And by doing that he literally saved the entire planet and everyone on it! You call that "not caring"?
I actually look forward to Bucky becoming Cap, despite how sad I will be whenever Steve dies and or retires. And the problem with DC movies is that... well, they are bad. And Man of Steel's main problem was that he did not even try and save anyone. He didn't try and fail, he didn't try at all.
Superman lands in the rubble of Metropolis with Lois Lane. Now does he go and check for survivors to help? Lol nope, he focuses on kissing Lois instead!
GellyfishProductions Because he's more concerned with the well being of the woman he's falling for and who is safe in his arms right then and there? I mean I highly doubt you'd be all "hey I'm glad you're safe now fuck off while I check on civilians".
HeatForce Maybe some, but when Captain America was calling the shots for everyone when they were in the huddle, he sent one or two people out to do just about nothing but damage control.
Joe, Hawkeye making additions to his home is a metaphor for his adventuring with the Avengers. When he leaves to fight Ultron, he tells his wife that after the latest remodel, he's done with the remodels. Later, driving with Black Widow, he talks about doing one more modification to the home. This is his way of saying he's not done adventuring. He at least has one more adventure in him.
*does avengers 2 review compares movie to man of steel entire time* Joe I love u but wtf people don't care about man of steel anymore y don't u compare it to a actual good movie
Marvel is really doing it right. But my prediction to Quicksilver I think he comes back. He wasn't confirmed dead, but since you guys forgot about the inhumans Movie and in the comics the inhumans revive QS so we can prolly see him in infinity war coming in fast and save his sister and the avengers and the inhumans assist the avengers.
Jamie Grabow Movie was excellent. At this point, the only superhero movies people can point to that are better, are other Marvel movies like GOTG and Winter Soldier.
Justin Sondermann Also depends on Aaron Taylor-Johnson's marvel movie contract. He did express interest on continuing, although they'd need a convincing way to bring him back. Yep, Inhumans it is. Although his death did have some gravity to it, and reversing that would only cement the "No-one dies in the MCU", I do hope they do it.
Justin Sondermann Said it further up, They said he is dead, very, very dead. So dead you could go into Hades, take him out and he'd instantaneously die.. AGAIN.
I'm going to make a crazy prediction. It will probably be wrong but Ima still make it. The reason Heimdall's eyes are orange is because he has a Infinity Stone in his possession. When Thor sees that Heimdall's eyes are white, it only encourages the point.
Sup could have led Zod literally anywhere Joe. It's still weak. no matter how much you rant.OHH... and NO, Tony checked the building before he crashed the Hulk into it. he even buys it as he destroys it.
Patric Flück Actually, no. Superman could not have led Zod anywhere because Zod wasn't going to let him. Why would Zod follow him out of the city? Makes no sense. Not to mention Superman literally came into his powers and suit just minutes prior to Zod and crew showing up.
History of Video Games After Sup took down the colony ship, Zod refocused all his attention to avenging his people. Consumed by rage, Zod would have followed Sup anywhere.
Patric Flück Someone could think Marvel put in these scenes just because MoS got his ass kicked by everyone and their mother for this city smashing thingy and they didn't want the same shit with the Hulk fight.
THANK YOU!!! I've been TRYING to explain to my friends on why Man of Steel was a good movie, and all they say is, "duuurrrhhh, but Superman didn't save everyone in Metropolis during the movie!" I slapped them all. At the same time.
Scarlet witch is one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe she would destroy Thanos... the fuck you think Ironmans blast is gonna do compared to Scarlet Witch.
I think that the characters' powers are nerfed in the movies so that that universe seems more grounded in reality. It would be cool to see everyone have all their power, but I understand why Marvel doesn't want the movies to turn into anime craziness.
the man of steel I didn't like that movie the action scenes they were fighting way to fast In the movie so half the time I couldn't see what was going on please tell me I'm not the only one?
The moment I saw Clint's VERY happy and loving family, I just thought "Oh, well. Clint's joining Tara, Cordelia, Joyce, Wash, etc. Its what Joss does."
The Ether wasn't on earth technically. It was in some dimension accessible only when the Convergence or whatever happened, because it was locked there. Before that it was with the Dark Elves on their world.
I say Vision is the most important character in this movie. Why I say this? If vision has the soul gem two other important people get this stone Doctor Strange and Adam Warlock (who in many comics beats Thanos over and over again). Since Guardians of the Galaxy Easter egged Adam Warlock, I believe in Guardians 2 he will receive the soul stone from doctor strange, vision or surprise us
Man of Steel or Avengers, the same thought always goes through my head when these fight scenes break out: "Those people are dead. That skyscaper you just blasted through? 1000's dead. No way around it."
Iron Man actually tries to pull Hulk away from the city, he even says thats what he's doing. Hulk is mind crontrolled. Superman in Man of Steel fought in the city of his own free will with no effort or even lip service made to trying to get the fight outside of the city.
The problem with Man of Steel isn't just that Superman didn't save people, it's that at no time until the final neck snap did he show any care or concern for the people or destruction. For example in Superman II during the super fight Superman shouted out "NO! THE PEOPLE!". His opponents realized that his love for the people was his weakness. Then he ran from the fight specifically to move the fight away from the city. Man of Steel didn't show any of that kind of concern and that's the problem.
The reason Quicksilver was killed is because the X-Men Quicksilver from Days of Future Past was extremely popular and Disney didn't think they could outshine the already existing Quicksilver.
The Aether wasn't on earth. They only found it because of the convergence letting her space-time warp to wherever deliberately forgotten corner of the nine realms it actually was in.
I actually watched Man of Steel today before coming across this review, and I totally agree, the destruction is the same or more. MoS is still one of my favorite DC movies
Note with that Iron man VS. Hulk fight: you can see Tony consistently tries to pull the battle away from the city, in ways like flying up into the air; who the hell is gonna get hurt when they are out of reach? Minimizing ranged weaponry- we both know that if he just fired a middle or used his damn lasers, he could effectively take on hulk without even the slightest risk, yet he doesn't, as every missed shot could hit a civilian instead(yes, he does fire his laser, but he was just slowing hulk and was already at close range). At a point were an elevator is knocked down he catches it and makes a point in letting everyone get off before fighting. In man of steel, it's just about hitting Zod. Doesn't matter who is there, even times where Superman is the direct result of possible civilian casualty. Just that ending is not enough.
The producers have already stated that the Infinity War will have both the old and new Avengers teams, the Guardians of the Galaxy, plus apparently the upcoming new heroes like Ant-Man, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel. They are prepared to film from 2016-2019.
The Infinity Stone isn't what's keeping him alive. He's actually just holding it. Thor said it himself. "The Infinity Stone is safe with him." is what he said. In the comics, Vision has ANOTHER Infinity Stone in his head.
for my civil war comment i need to clarify, they are watching the debate while scanning her thoughts, and even though she loses the senate debate/vote and it goes to the ratifying vote, they all show up to the final vote to ratify and that is the speech the 4 give and as they talk, charles puts up viewing style tv's using the frequency of the live feeds so the world sees what they're saying. to add gravity to it, and that's how comic fans found out that sabretooth/wolverine where there as magneto as a kid did his gate crush but the governments had them on recon and they had to watch, not act
There's nothing wrong with DC doing a "reverse Marvel", as in "group movies first, solo afterwards". It's perfectly possible for DC to make great team-up movies without having individual films beforehand. This benefits "unknown" DC characters as well. Think about it, it would be much easier and cost-efficient to introduce characters like Hawkman and Martian Manhunter in a Justice League movie than solo films. As an example, we never got a solo Quicksilver or Scarlett Witch film, yet audiences were able to like them by the end of Age of Ultron. It also allows Warner Bros to test the waters and see which characters the audiences love and which ones they don't care for. Another benefit of doing "team up first, solo next" is that solo films don't have to shoehorn in as much easter eggs and references to the next or previous film. Darkseid as the ultimate bad guy would be a huge plus for DC since he doesn't need infinity stones to have power. No more getting sidetracked as to who has what anymore.
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Age of Ultron comes out and all you guys can talk about is Man of Steel, lol.
Because supes is bettah.
***** but to be fair MOS was worse, ironman did damage yes but tried to keep it away from people, and hulk wasn't in control he was going nuts, the build they destroyed I believe was abandoned looked it, where as in superman he was just punching them thru shit with little regard as to weather people were there or not, the gravity thing wiped out a shit load of people the sky scrapers that were destroyed and anything in the area, just in superman even though he had the government behind him there seemed to be little to no concern for people's safety
TheMick2639 It was 1-2 min.s out of 50 min.s.
Reece Martin The ppl were clear of his fighting area for the most part, and he saved the soldiers who were in the way, but Superman was fighting military-trained Kryptonias who could fly and throw him through buildings.
There's no way he could've beaten Zodd by running away to a populated zone to move someone when Zodd's arguably faster than him and even if he knocked Zodd out instead of killing him where would they put him w/out knowing about kryptonite.
CtisGaming weird how it took them moments to adapt to superpowers but tooks supes decades.
I enjoyed this man of steel spoiler review a lot.
***** ^^^he gets it
I know. He's obsessed with that man. Avengers movies are way better. Last great superman movie was in the 70`s
This dude described visions death 3 years before infinity war came out. Nuts.
He also predicted who's gonna die too. Wtf joe
The problem people had with Man Of Steel is how Superman does stuff like flinging Zod into buildings and Superman charging straight through Skycrapers after Zod not even attempting to protect the civilians through out the fight. In Avengers we openly see the heroes try to save the civilians and we see that Tony is trying to stop Hulk and most of the destruction is caused by Hulks rampage. Tony even goes as far as trying to find an empty building to smash hulk in.
garowice Its also more Avengers are known to save people where they can but not go out of their way to the point of showing weakness in doing it, were Superman's major flaw is suppose to be that he will put himself in the face of death to stop destruction and save civilians.
garowice To be fair, Superman did the same thing in the cartoon show as well. He smashed Darkseid trough 3 buildings with one punch. And nobody complains about that.
Superman has disregarded human life before the movie.
SuperArppis Didn't watch much of that. I was more into Batman and Batman Beyond.
garowice
Alright. Well, Justice League Unlimited is a good show. It's made by same guys who made the Batman and Batman Beyond. :)
In the comics superman took darkside to space to avoid collateral damage dont use a cartoon superman as a example of superman
*Super Jump
Hulk: ROAR!
Ultron: Oh for God's sake!
XD
Zivko To be honest, that line bugged me. I just find it hard to believe that a homicidal robot who wants the extinction of the human race could be religious.
MrLuizilla And you have to be religious to say something like that? I say "Oh my god" all the time. I'm not religious.
Joshua Goodnight True, I just find it weird that Stark programmed that kind of stuff into him. (fyi not an atheist)
MrLuizilla Figure of speech for some people....
MrLuizilla It's more of an expression of disbelief, like when people utter "Jesus Christ." it can be uttered by anyone who has been exposed to Christianity. maybe he got the expression while surfing the net.
Why are we comparing a bad superman movie to a great avengers movie. We spent like 5mins talking about DC on a marvel video
Xavier Soto man of steel was good wtf are you on about,
Xavier Soto EXACTLY! I was like: "Man of Steel sucked, can't we go back to Avengers"?
That's coz a bad superman movie is still better than a great avengers movie. Pray that batman v superman isn't good, else mcu will never get any coverage again.
Xavier Soto Exactly. MoS was a below-average movie.
your face is an below average movie
everybody ready for the Man of Steel discussion with slight Avengers references?
Quintin houghtby Seriously. Never-mind that the US govnt knowingly bares the consequences of the Avengers destruction w evacuation contingencies in place..., whereas Superman is really just a rouge faction in an otherwise totally unexpected alien invasion. Goddamn butthurt DC fans.
Lude Crestfallen Arent they literally both the same? Both Superman and the Avengers don't answer to the government, and before you say the Avengers did so in the comics, there is no indication they do so in the movie.
David Lance Escandor they're not literally the same but they could be seen as vaguely similar, but that's pretty much a stretch and frankly the DC fan boy butt hurt is really really overshadowing what should be a review of the Avengers movie.
David Lance Escandor Actually there was that whole scene where Maria Hill was telling Tony Stark they all needed to ghost while SHIELD aka the Fed handled the PR & cleanup. Besides, I'm sure that's exactly the premise of the Civil War Captain America movie. Oh yeah there's a guy on the team named Captain America, so again...
Why are we talking about DC when this is a MARVEL movie? Can't each stand on their own?
Rigby Are you homophobic?
GameStation3 what
Rigby Don't use a homophobic slur like that.
GameStation3 you should look at louis ck's explanation. no one uses faggot as a slur towards gays.
GameStation3 what do loud bikers have to do with homosexuals
Maybe Vision is that weak because he can't control the power to it's fullest extent, I mean he was kinda born two days before fighting in the end.
Actually one day.
and hes AI? but then maybe he shouldnt be able to use it at all? do infinity stones need a living user?
Charlie Reyes He's technically made of living matter, kind of like a cyborg. Besides, he can make decisions for himself, and do anything else that a living sentient being can do, perhaps more. I'd say that's makes him just as living as anyone else.
I think the key difference between Man of Steel and Age of Ultron is that Marvel actually made a point of the Avengers saving people. They made a big deal out of it. In Man of Steel they have no intention of showing that (last bit doesn't count as that was a plot device to add impact to Zod's death).
As for the "tone" argument it's easy to see the bleakness of Man of Steel doesn't do the character justice not to mention the god awful colour grading.
Vibranium dosent do shit against infinity stones
Shadowtechnik Really? ( O ___O)
Alfa Also Marvel made a point of showing the repercussions of the destruction in a way that made sense. Superman flying through Skyscrapers and throwing Zod straight through buildings and everyone says he saved them. Hulk rampaging through a City and Tony trying to contain him to his best effort, everyone starts hating on The Avengers.
garowice facepalm ... please go watch that fight again .
First thing Joe does is try and defend Man of Steel in an Age of Ultron review, lmfao
Big Bob because he knows Marvel fanboys are going to shit all over it for apparent reason.
Big Bob He was already doing it on Twitter before he even made this review lol
History of Video Games
I am not a Marvel fanboy, I am just a fanboy of movies.
And Man of Steel is a very flawed movie.
If you watched Nostalgiacritics review of it, you would know that.
Stop being mad, when people point out the flaws of your Superman movies.
Cos that movie gets too much fucking hate it does not deserve.. Seriously this movie gets more hate than fucking catwoman now.
Gothamite1999
It doesn't get more hate.
People(both haters and fans of the movie) just won't respect each others opinion, so they end up being the loud minority.
I think most people think it was decent/alright.
Sorry Joe, but Iron Man even took the time to save people that were stuck in a falling elevator during his battle w/ the Hulk.
Yup, Vision is pretty much boned. They could do an asspull and give him another power source to bring him back but I doubt they go for that route
Karl Schweinfurth They can defeat thanos and put the gem back in the socket on his head.
Karl Schweinfurth R.I.P. Vision (2015-2018 or 2019. Depends on if he'll possibly die in Part 1 or 2)
Karl Schweinfurth Well if Scarlet Witch isnt killed, she could bring Vision back.
Karl Schweinfurth Since Vision is still based on Ultron's mainframe, could we see Ultron Come back?
Karl Schweinfurth Yeah I'm expecting Thanos to rip the gem out of his head (preferably near the end) for the last gem in his gauntlet.
I feel Vision has just been set up to die because he now has one of the infinity stones keeping him alive basically. Quick Silver shouldn't of died! The guy slows down time when he runs so he could easily pulled Hawkeye and the kid away while also dodging the bullets. Thought they were going bring him back alive with that tissue making machine. Also Thor is way powered down in the films! Like when Ultron was beating him around near the key at the end! I was like "He's a GOD!! No way he is getting his ass kicked around by a machine!" Hopefully they either give (New) Hulk or Black Window their own stand alone movie and can develop the Hulk and Black Widow from there.
Zivko Well maybe, what I think is when the Mind stone gets removed from his head, he probably turns into Ultron, because we never saw him kill the last Ultron Robot.
he doeant slow down time he is fast the xmen and avengers movies clearly state that so no he could not have saved himself
Honestly there's no way the bullets from that jet thing couldn't penetrate that car lol
Nah Vision is like Ultron he can exist on the internet so losing that body does not kill him. The only reason Ultron died with his bodies was because he was kicked off the net by Vision.
Zivko He could always come back to life.. Dr.Strange has the power to bring people back from the dead. He did it in Infinity Gauntlet when Thanos Killed all of the Avengers lmfao. And they still have the Soul Gem to recover as well
Did anyone else think Ultrons final form was weaker than it should have been?
He died so quickly. He didnt even have a final battle.
Sean Garner Well, he did(with Thor), we just didn't see 90% of it. Maybe it'll be in the director's cut.
I hope. Ultron was as weak as Loki.
sarahIcommented Yeah I feel like Thor has been the only one to TRULY have a physical confrontation the villain--- he fought Loki and Ultron.
Tijjain Dude, Hulk pwned Loki--humiliated him, really. Or did you forget the "puny god" scene, lol ;P
Sean Garner Well, his "final form" wasn't any different that his previous form. Vision's body was supposed to be his final form, but the Avengers ruined that for him, lol.
not sure the destruction in man of steel was the problem
the problem was snyder's absolutely terrible "shakeycam" direction. its EVERYWHERE and it ruins scenes
But that is usually not what's brought up its usually the destruction that is harped on all the time.
Ryukachoo Artistically, I had less problem with the camera movement and more with the colour palette - almost every scene seems like all colours except blue were toned down.
Story-wise, I feel the destruction wasn't anywhere near as bad as the kiss in the midst of it after or his father's death.
Ryukachoo peoples problem wasnt the city destruction... but the problem was the death of people. in avengers they purposely get everyone out of the city. in every action scene avengers save people. and hulk never killed anyone so not sure where joe got that from.
Oh my god, thank you! Finslly here somebody understands. I wish people like Angry Joe would look at that more as to why MoS was a chore to get through.
Ryukachoo I thought it was because they fucked up Superman's parents. You know, the entire reason Superman IS as good of a person he is? It's because of his parents and how they raised him.
The problem with the destruction in Superman is that he doesn't seem to show any concern for the people. Sure in the final fight of both Avengers there are a bunch of Heroes running around so some of them can work on saving people. But the fight between Hulk and Ironman is more comparable in terms of a fight.
During the Hulk fight you can see that Tony actually is concerned for civilian casualties and tries to carry hulk out of the city at one point. In another point he saves an elevator full of people by catching it and letting them get out before the hulk slams him again. And when he slams Hulk through the building he scans it first to make sure no one is inside.
It's these little details that show the character actually cares. In the Superman fight he doesn't seem the slightest bit concerned with collateral damage. He seems cold and uncaring for the most part which is the problem people have.
A dark Superman story would be one where he actually TRIES to save people but fails and has to come to terms with that, even though he may have saved the day. Instead you get a Superman who drags Zod to a small town to fight it out with increased chance for civilian casualties.
It’s been a while since I have seen the final fight so I went and rewatched it to point out a few things. Zod pushes a Gas truck at Superman and he casually jumps over it allowing it to slam into the building behind him which then causes that side of the building to collapse in the explosion. After which he shows little interest in trying to get Zod out of the city or away from civilians, it’s just a big beat down which gets drawn to previously undamaged parts of the city. The only time he really seems to show any intelligence in the fight is using his eye beams to cut the metal bar Zod swings at him in half.
Eventually you land in the final part of the fight where Superman is forced to kill Zod to save some civilians. But this doesn’t feel like a natural flow of his character but instead feels forced since prior to this he has not shown the slightest bit of concern for others during his fights. At a bare minimum he could have told the people on the streets to get back when he landed there, that would have shown some concern.
I also don’t buy the he’s new at it excuse because the first part of the movie tries to show he has been secretly saving people as he travels, almost like the old Hulk TV Series. So he’s had some experience with people in dangerous situations, just not one to this extreme.
Then at the end of the movie he destroys a 12 Million dollar drone by having a near miss with the Generals car just to make a point. Which further shows he also has no regard for property, and is rather arrogant about it plus his attitude in general is very dismissive. He tells the General to convince the people in power to accept him rather than trying to do it himself.
In previous movies there was less collateral damage due to smaller special effects budgets. But also the villain would often do something to intentionally endanger civilians and catch superman off guard with a sucker punch. This shows that Superman was more concerned with human life than beating the bad guy, something not shown in the new movie.
At the start of the final fight Zod even tells Superman that he is going to punish him by killing the humans one by one. Yet he jumps right into a slug fest with superman instead of making good on his threat. Such as by taking off to start causing Havoc by killing random people and causing mass destruction, all while taunting Superman for not being able to stop him would have lead more naturally into Superman being forced to Kill Zod as ever moment he delays more people die. Now that would have been a Dark movie and still been fitting of superman because at least he TRIES to save as many as he can. After all some of the most dramatic stories in Superman comics have been when superman fails to save someone, especially an established character. The Superman Animated series where Darkside kills that cop guy before leaving comes to mind.
I'd like the add that a good example of trying and failing is the Dark Knight. Batman doesn't save Rachel, and Harvey becomes scared and turns into two face. Then in the finally confrontation even though the day is saved the Joker has still won. By tainting Harvey he forces Batman to take the blame for all Harvey's deeds so that Harvey's cases are not over turned and the criminals he put away don't go back on the street.
Since Batman is forced to take the mantle of killer so that Harvey's reputation can remain untainted this is the Joker's final victory as it taints them all by forcing them to lie. This is what Gordan means at the end with the speech about the Hero they deserve but not the one they need right now. As Batman was the strong moral hero willing to sacrifice everything, including he's reputation, to do what was best for the city. But they needed a Hero who does things in the light as a symbol of Hope, who stood up against corruption, like Harvey did before becoming Two-Face.
PyroMancer2k Also didn't help Superman angst over killing Zod to protect the family, since the MoS went out of it's way showing Superman doesn't sweat over the collateral damage, so the drama's highlight felt forced, and not build up properly.
trisha Hernz
Exactly. The scene was so forced it was ridiculous, which is what I think a lot of people didn't like about it.
If you sit down to watch it and turn your brain off, or have the mind of a child, then ya it's a decent action film. Cause if your looking for a Micheal Bay style Superman than MoS will do it. But for those of us who wanted more it falls far short.
came back here 2018 n damn they got so much right about the future films.
The problem with MoS isn't that "Superman didn't save everyone." It's that Superman didn't *try* to save *anyone*.
Wintermute01001 Exactly. The MoS and AoU destruction may have been pretty much on par with each other, overall, but AoU goes out of its way to acknowledge that people (the public, the media, and even the Avengers) are *reacting* to the devastation.
Wintermute01001 yep, they hammer that nail so hard in age of ultron. tony freaking designs a way to handle the hulk if he goes bonkers. he even bought the building he crashed the hulk into.
Wintermute01001
Yeah he didn't stop a Kryptonian military force from killing the entire planets population after only a few days of being Superman /kappa
But superman is just one guy and the writers had him focus on the actual situation in stead of thousands of people dying. But then again the world machine is the only thing that killed people. While superman and zod was fighting no one was in the buildings and when superman crashed into the concrete. No was there and everyone were by their cars. In smallville they got in the stores and locked the doors so nobody got hurt there either. The only time I saw someone maybe was when superman ran into big building in smallville when he was protecting his mom. But other than that nothing. so um show me proff that he let hundreds of people die. prove it buddy
darcrequiem
I'd buy that argument if Superman actually showed some emotional reaction to all the collateral damage around him. Sacrificing thousands of lives to save billions should be an agonizing choice for him. If he'd stared in terror of the wrecked city rather than making out with Lois, I'd believe that the filmmakers truly meant to put Superman in a morally difficult situation. Instead, it seems like they were hoping we'd be too awed by the Transformers-esque destruction in the background to think of the people in those buildings.
However, Superman could have tried to move his fight away from the city.
Joshua Goodnight You miss the part in space there, bruh? Or the part where he took Zod above the city?
Joshua Goodnight You weren't paying attention then. Zod was in the city because that's where the world engine was. If Superman left the city, Zod wouldn't have followed.
Drag him out of the city, don't give him the choice. I acknowledge the space bit.
***** or the Or the part where he took Zod from an empty field into smallville... oh wait
Not if the script said he didn't. I like(ish) the movie, but I disagree with quite a few of their choices
This is the easiest way to sum up the destruction in Man of Steel vs The Avengers...
In the Avengers, Tony not only saves people who will fall to their death, he tries to drop the hulk into an empty area to minimize casualties which only backfires when the hulk pulls him into a building. In man of steel, however, superman shows no regard for human safety; he not only literally side steps a truck which then explodes behind him not even worrying about the damage he might have caused to others he also punches Zod into buildings which CLEARLY house people therefore making superman part of the problem by endangering more people as opposed to Tony which is trying to contain the situation.
Altinore The truck is indeed a good example, the 'real' superman would have caught it and simply put it down safely
^Agreed.
Altinore How is it clear that there were people in those buildings. I didn't see any people in them. Besides what kind of complete moron would stick around when their city is being leveled by the world engine? Anyone who didn't evacuate the area probably died when the world engine crushed them. So why would Superman worry about civilians who weren't even there? There was no need. Sure, at the end of the fight they're in a populated area, but that's why Superman finally gives in and kills Zod.
Mark Paalman The "real" Superman has years of experience and skill. This Superman is embracing his powers for the first time. That was the second fight in his entire life. The first being the one in Smallville after Zod threatened Clark's mother. He literally spent his entire life hiding his powers, so the best he could do was instinctually doge the truck.
SpiderboyN2Jesus so... you're defense is that there were possibly no people... in a building... in the middle of a city.. thats based on New York?.. do you know how hard it is to escape from a building at lightning speed? let alone a collapsing one much like the events of the movie?
ill save you the trouble of using brain power; there's video of such an event. it might even be on youtube; look up "9/11/2001".
Infinity War Part 2 is gonna end like this:
after every single Marvel character is dead(avengers, the new avengers, gaurdians the galaxy, and the defenders) one new hero climbs the pile of dead bodies and finally defeats Thanos; Squirrel Girl. She then uses the reality gem to bring them all back, including uncle ben, peggy carter, and howard stark.
FlashPool .....for some reason i would actually laugh and find that amusing if that ever happened.
As funny as this joke is, if it's not a joke pretty sure Squirrel Girl is owned by FOX.
FlashPool YES! YES! FINALLY somebody remembers Squirrel Girl!
"Maybe it's just me, but I'm not crazy about super hero stories where everything's all dark and moody. Personally, I like the ones where good guys fight giant apes on the moon and stuff. Remember those? I do. That was back when comic book worlds were places you wanted to escape to... not from."
THE Quote of my Fiction-Loving Life.^^
That would be hilarious. Or it could just be scarletwitch that survives and uses her powers to "reboot" the entire universe to avoid all the damage caused by thanos. This would be the time for Marvel to restart and recast freely, hopefully with the xmen added by that time...
FlashPool
Remember that Guardians of the Galaxy also re-introduced Howard the Duck... They don't need to use squirrels to beat Thanos, they have a duck. :/
It's a great movie.I don't know why Joss Whedon is getting so much hate.
Was it because of the end credits, cause there wasn't two.
***** People are also calling him a racist and "white washing" the movie because he used americans to portray europeans
This whole movie had no respect for the comics Ultron in the comics is 100 times better than movie Ultron
ReVo_Twiitch I don't see how it was a great movie, just an enjoyable one. There's a lot of problems in it.
People hate on Joss Whedon? Since when?
ReVo_Twiitch I may be wrong but people are mad that Black Widow called herself a monster for being made sterile at a young age, meaning she can't have kids, in order to be an assassin.
Why didn't quicksilver just pick up Hawkeye and the kid instead?
The movie is bad.
hallabam That's your opinion.
Your right, I know a lot of people like it. I'm just not its target audience.
He did
obigen13 he clearly didnt if he died. He just picked up a car and threw it in front of them
The reason no one says Black Widow has no business there is because, and really think about this, she's the female lead. Audience goers tend to give women passes when it comes to fighting ability and measuring up to physically superior counterparts.
Think about the fight scenes that include Black Widow and Mystique from X-Men. Super agile, but no super strength or speed, yet they are rarely ever hit and usually take out opponents in one hit.
N Slater yeah it really annoys me that females that are strong or are fighter type characters in movies/video games are sexy, slim and have no muscle. The woman build like a super model can lift, throw and beat the shit out of a 250 pound muscle man. I'm fine with powerful women characters but cmon..look the part.
Jeralamo That is unfortunately the result of today's industry. "We want strong women, but they must look glamorous. Men, flex those muscles. Girls, rock those hips." I think Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley are the best examples of what an action woman needs to look like. It's possible to be both tough and pretty, sure. But usually it's just pretty.
Now, Scarlett Witch in this movie was powerful, but wasn't stunt oriented, so her look is perfect for her character.
And to top it off she looks out of shape!
N Slater Well it could also be because at least in the comics she is actualy biotechnological enhanced (heals faster than normal humans, doesn't age (or ages realy slow) is immune to diseases). The movies don't realy go into her origin so I at least assume that she has the same origin like in the comics. That would make Hawkeye the odd one in the Avengers, as the only one without any form of enhancement.
Betrix5068 Exactly! Put on some muscle, woman!!!
Funny how they never mention Ultron in this review.
Toothless_Gam3r Since the movie is named after him....
Toothless_Gam3r He's the first one they talk about in their non-spoiler review.
Toothless_Gam3r The stupid movie had nothing of Age of Ultron, so, who cares about Ultron? I mean, it is the f*cking title of the movie! and there was not an age uf Ultron at all. So, we can talk about anything else, which seems more important for the producers.
Hold on, since when are people comparing this or the first avengers movie to man of steel for any reason. Man of steel is about superman not the justice league. The comparison makes no sense Joe, why even bring it up? People should only be comparing the Avengers and the eventual Justice League movie. I could care less about the destruction in this movie or man of steel. There's no need to start or finish an argument that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Wait for justice league please, that's where you can really start to get a fair assessment of things. I would never pit a movie with one guy against a movie that had movies before it set it up and converge an entire team for that big blow out.
Don't you dare comparing what happened in the man of steel to what happened in AoU. Not even close.
Profesor Oak Exactly. People need to understand that it's comparing apples to oranges and are two completely different circumstances.
Angry Joe forgot to mention that Supes was fighting 1-3 people while the Avengers were fighting an army. So yea you can't really compare them fairly.
Omar Rivero Now granted those 1-3 people were just as powerful as he whereas the army, while many, were just robots. Ultron controlled robots, but robots nonetheless.
Profesor Oak I just notice Avengers spend most of the time saving people in every fight scene
Language!
Bumble Trees You kiss you mom with that mouth?
Bumble Trees Says the guy with a deadpool pic
*****
The Joke
Your head.
I'll just go ahead and unwring the knot for the sake of these idiots: Iron Man cursed. Captain America rebuked him, saying "language!" The rest of the team turned it into a running gag throughout the film.
Bumble Trees I understood that reference!
Joe is just such a fanboy. It is so irritating. The difference is that Iron Man was fighting Hulk on "his terms" whether Iron Man goes there, fights him but destroys alot of the city or if he doesn't and Hulk destroys the entire city anyway. Superman fought Zod on his own terms. He could have taken that fight out to sea and Zod would have followed him, he could have taken it to space and Zod would have followed him. But no he decided to keep it in a city full of people. Not only that but he didnt even try to save anyone. Iron Man, sure he ploughed Hulk through a building but he atleast had some kind of thought for the civilians even if it was a small one. Superman didn't give a fuck.
***** Also the whole movie of Ultron revolved around Bruce Banner trauma from destroying everything and that incident. Why he left the Avengers, whilst Snyder just totally cut out any aftermaths, had Superman crushing a drone-- and smilingly becoming a journalist.
***** No zod would have not followed him, he would be happy to be left with humans without superman, he would have just continue to kill humans until superman comes back. He said he will destroy the human why not start with the ones of metropolis.
Zod WANTS to fight in a populated areas, so he would not let superman take him away from them.
femtoservants Ye but in the later part of the fight we clearly see Superman in control of the fight until the neck snap. He dictated the fight as he was winning. And even still Zod wanted to kill Superman as he had just destroyed Krypton's last chance at living again. He didn't care for humans as much as he wanted to kill Clarke.
***** Dictated the fight would be a bit too much, with zod strenght and experience it could turn the other way around quickly. Gaining the upper hand for a moment does not mean its over.
And yes zod was clearly more angry against kal el but he would have be ok to be left with humans, he would kill them to force superman to come back, the more time he was passing with earth atmosphere the stronger he was getting.
femtoservants Yes it could have,but it didn't for one reason. When Zod lost his chance to save Krypton, like a human he lost his mind and wanted nothing but to kill Kal. Not only was he not thinking rationally and remaining in control of the fight, but he lost a lot of his skill as he was not focusing but fighting through rage. Making it much easier for Kal to fight him as all the experience he had was basically negated.
Zod like I said took on a very human trait when he lost the ship to save Krypton. He was enraged like I said followed Kal everywhere, he was not thinking logically like to do what you said and go back and threaten Kal with human lives to fight on Zod's terms. But he wasn't interested in humans, just Kal.
And by then The World Engine was destroyed so Krypton's atmosphere wasn't increasing nor was Zod's power. The battle was completely dictated by Kal, while it may not be because of his strength being more than Zod, it was because Zod was playing every move into Kals hands.
Why didn't you mention anything about vision lifting thors hammer???
***** too busy talking about Superman lol
xD
***** Well im kinda a newbie to all this, I mean i know the basics but i don't know all the deep characters and what not. What is the deal with that? is it because vision has all the knowledge or something? Perhaps the stone helped do that? was a little confusing as to why he was capable of doing that. Or is he just a future ruler?
He is just worthy I guess
***** It's an awesome surprise. I wouldn't say it to a friend. I want to see their reaction.
Did anyone else have a wave of gasps and laughs in the theater? It's a fun experience. :3
I was confused on two things in this movie.
1.) Why didn't Tony have a panic attack when Scarlet Witch showed him his vision? Iron Man 3 showed us that if anyone mentioned anything about the alien attack on NY he immediately had anxiety.
2.) This might've been cut out, but how did Tony end up fighting with the Avengers again? The ending of Iron Man 3 kind of led us on that he was going to always be "Iron Man", but he was done with the suits, or it was just poorly explained.
I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten to mention, but I really did enjoy this film. I think I might've liked it a little more or less than Winter Soldier, but Guardians of the Galaxy is still my #1 Marvel film.
BTW, everyone should watch Daredevil (Netflix Series), it's amazing.:)
Alexander Barker I can only answer ending No 2
Insourance ending in the case RDJ was unable to play Iron man anymore. Arround the time Iron man 3 was made, contract of RDJ was over, and they had to end it in a way that his arc could be closed, but ensuring that he oculd be back if he got called again.
lsebastian9086 Ah, okay, that's right. Now they have him under contract for another Avengers and Civil War, right? Or do they just determine it movie by movie?
Alexander Barker the idea is that the suits in 3 sucked because they were almost ALL baset on attaching to him in fragments. Also he built them while having the angsiety issues and bad dreams so they weren't top quality(that was emphesised with the mark 42 and all the armors getting trashed during the fight scene). Now he is in good shape, not relying on the heart ark reactor, so the new suits are sturdier...
Alexander Barker
There are factors. Civil war and avengers 3 are the ones there, but no Iron man 4. And we also have to consider the fact that sono or later an actor will want to take a break, cause doing those projects takes a hell of a time.
Ivo Gerginov Part of the idea of the ending seemed to be that he was going to move on and live a safer life with Pepper. After the Killian had Stark's home address attacked, it seemed that Tony realized he couldn't let Pepper get in danger again, so he gave up the suit, but still will spiritually be Iron Man. That's how I interpreted that at least.
The suits were an issue though, which I agree with you on completely. Like I said, I feel like the ending was very sloppily done when it came to possible sequels/spin-offs, but that's just me.
Y'all should revisit this review with Alex!
"Everything that happens in Man of Steel happens in this movie"
.. EXCEPT seeing how heroes moving and saving civilians. Superman didn't do that. He only once tried to protect a family when he snapped Zod's neck but aside from that he was the cause of quite a bit of destruction.
I know the Avengers did the same but you could see them organizing to avoid civilian casualties, moving people away from the battle because they could not move the battle away from the people. The Avengers were FORCED to fight in the streets because the villains were not going to leave. Superman could have led Zod away, but instead he brought Zod to the city to fight.
The destruction doesn't bother me with either movie, it's the responsibility of the situation.
I do not hate Man of Steel, I simply tell it as it is, and nothing will change the scene where Superman smashes into Zod and crashes through giant oil containers followed by a gas station with civilians everywhere.
***** He has the ability to pick Zod up and fly in the other direction. There is no excuse.
You said didn't but then said he did ._.
TakTheFox Zod can fly as well and was controlling that fight . Look up Man of Steel Myths ....It completely debunks your arguments. He outright told Kal that he was going to kill humans to make him suffer so leading him away wasn't an option because there was no guarantee he would follow.
Krolus That debunks nothing and Zod said he would do that AFTER there had already been destruction caused by Superman.
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It does NOT matter if Zod was going to push towards the city because Superman made no attempt to move the fight away from civilians AT ALL. Even with the family Zod almost fried they both crashed in there because of BOTH of their actions.
Love ya Joe, but I have to disagree with you on this one. All throughout the Avengers movie, every scene where they were fighting in the city, they were thinking of civilian lives first. Even during that runaway train sequence Cap had Quicksilver shoved civilians out of the way so they weren't injured by the train. The only reason Iron Man fought Hulk in the city is because he was FORCED to since Hulk was attacking innocents thanks to Scarlet Witch. During that fight he ordered civilians to get away, saved a bunch in an elevator and finally found an empty building under construction with no people inside to smash Hulk into and end the fight. Every single city fight there were constant references to keeping civilians safe.
In Man of Steel, Zod and the others were mainly out to get Superman himself in those fight scenes that were in populated areas. At anytime Supes could have just flown away from the area into a canyon, flatlands or mountain area with few people around. Instead, he CHOSE to stay and fight in the city against Zod instead. Outside of finally snapping Zod's neck to save a couple, not once did we even get a scene of Supes going "I have to keep these people safe!" or showing any concern over the citizens of metropolis.
That's the big difference. Iron Man was FORCED to fight inside the city. Supes wasn't.
BTW, what do you think of comic book Supes flying being nerfed and being replaced by "leaping over tall buildings in a single bound" again?
Jason Berry I will say that at the very least, he was an inexperienced Superman. Tony Stark should be in fucking jail! He created Ultron to begin with not to mention that the Government was right in the second movie. Iron Man was created with government funded money, ergo it's a weapon of the U.S. Government. At least Banner felt somewhat responsible for his part not only in co-creating Ultron but for the Hulk rampaging the city. Enough so that he quit the team (although how does Hulk know how to control a plane in any way? I guess it'l just crash since he can survive that no problem. I'd have loved for the after credits moment to be Banner hitchhiking like at the end credits of the TV series.
So glad you said that about Man Of Steel Angry Joe. Its was so crazy how people were hating on the destruction on the superman movie but no one mentioned it about The Avengers.
"But Jane's better!"~ Thor, 2015
The difference between Avengers and Man of Steel is that Man of Steel has an absolutely miserable tone, direction.
The tonal difference between the two is night and day. I'm not saying it's any better or worse but that I prefer one over the other.
joel ignore jammie,he is saying the same thing pn every comment,no base for the comments.
Joel B No, the difference..... is that they're not the same fucking comic book.
I thought this was an avengers review
What I don't get is, Scarlet Witch is suppose to be an omega level mutant, one of the most powerful beings on the planet. But in the Marvel movies she is so underpowered.
Thetechgenius she's still powerful though
Thetechgenius She is young in this. She could mature into THE SCARLET WITCH we know
is this man of steel or age of ultron discussion?
Both
Joe you are the oracle. You predicted most of infinity war.
to be fair to DC, we've only seen one movie in their cinematic universe. and, all people have been judging them on so far are leaked trailers, set photos and PR material. people have misjudged them before on that (Heath Ledger Joker reveal)...
plus, why do people keep wanting DC to ape Marvel's style? let them go their own way. their dark realistic tone sets them apart and have been successful for them for some time...
They didn't mention Miss Marvel, she's basically the equivalent of Super Man who would actually stand a chance against Thanos
Dan Lodder Then he beat her and Rogue arrives :D
Chevalier Oignon followed by lawsuits for stealing xmens characters
***** she is still probably the most powerful avenger alongside scarlett witch who has been nerfed and vision, who well we know the fate of vision
Dan Lodder I think the Sentry is supposed to have that title. He was potrayed as being so op, that the rest of the avengers where scared of him.
***** Thanos is a beast. He beats the Silver Surfer regularly, he's taken on Galactus by himself, and he once kept Eternity in a cage. He's actually way out of Superman's league.
"I want to make children cry" -Angry Joe 2015
In Avengers Hulk was uncontrolable but in MoS Superman could take the fight somewhere else.
Hawkeye is confirmed for Civil War.
The Aether (bloodstone) wasn't on Earth. It was brought to Earth from some kind of dimension.
1) apples and oranges both grow from a tree.
2) apples and oranges are both great for making juice !
3) apples and oranges both have seeds inside of them.
I have totally forgotten about Man of Steel. And if Joe would not brought it up no one would talk about that movie... Its forgotten
Equalitas In what fantasy land do you live in?
Equalitas You are you talking about other than yourself? And what fantasy land do you live in?
This is so freaking geeky that my vision got worse and my math skills improved just watching this video.
I think that the best character in this movie was Ultron, he affected me the moment he started talking, he brings up points about how humanity keeps protecting because we don't want to change, that humanity needed to evolve in to metal, it was great and actually had me on his side some of the movie, he was played and executed amazingly
Joe, get over it...Man of Steel sucked. It was senseless action with no plot and the absolute worst acting in a superhero movie since Daredevil.
People need to realise this is not the comics. Vision had the Infinity stone to add stakes, really great stakes which means Thanos would have to kill Vision to obtain this stone. And Vision could not be as powerful as in the comics (The same goes for Scarlet Witch) So that they could be in this cinematic Universe and not be overpowered to a boring extent. Even Thanos will probably be nerfed to suit movies, not comics. This is why it pisses me off when people bitch about Civil War being small compared to the comics, because if it was exactly the same it would be too cluttered and end up a mess. Basically, the differences from the comics are NOT detriments, they're simple differences. If fans prefer the comics, the comics are still there? Nothing has been ruined, for those who maybe prefer the cinematic universe (Like me) These movies are just getting better and better, stakes raising and villains becoming more and more threatening and interesting. Rant over, thank you for reading :P
100% agree with everything you said
So Avengers video yet you spend half the video talking about Superman.....
Anyone know where that "DARKER!" comic Joe referenced is at?
Phillip Chapa Right here: pbs.twimg.com/media/CDyzaqdUgAEcWvY.jpg
History of Video Games XD
History of Video Games That's brilliant.
In my opinion DC does animated better and Marvel does live action better
Andras Petersen & I still can't believe they're gonna make a theatrical release animated Spider-Man movie.. I hope it doesn't, but I think it will bomb...
Agreed but Batman V Superman might change it..... Wait no. Kidding both DC and Marvel are fucking awesome
Andras Petersen Yes! So True!
Andras Petersen what a unique and un common opinion you have
I'm just very annoyed of hearing people saying Marvel does everything right and DC does everything wrong outside comics, while completely ignoring animated works.
AngryJoeShow
I wouldn't worry much about Chris Evans. He says that if Marvel offer him to come back as Cap after his contract, he'd seriously consider it.
Also, even if they do kill him in Civil War, he'll come back. He's got 3 movies left - Civil War and both Infinity Wars, which will begin filming late 2016.
If Evans stays, Bucky will continue to be Winter Soldier.
Also, Hawkeye's actor isn't quitting.
This is the lineup for Civil War.
Captain America
Iron Man
Falcon
Hawkeye
War Machine
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Vision
Ant-Man
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Crossbones
Baron Zemo
Thunderbolt Ross
The Man of Fucking Steel? Why bring that piece of crap up to ruin the mood? In The Man of Shit, our 'hero' actually dragged the fight into populated areas. He never gave a shit about the damage being done all around him. Not even a concerned glance. That's not the Superman we know and love. And let's not even go into all the plot holes in that film. It just makes my head spin at how bad that film was.
Joe, please stop being an apologist for that film. It was crap, admit it and move on.
Jamie Grabow It was better. They actually went out of their way, multiple times, to save people. Iron Man attempted to take Hulk out of the city, but Hulk being Hulk, it didn't work. That I can accept.
What I can't accept, is Superman dragging the fight to Smallville. Or, dragging the fight *from space* all the way back down to Metropolis.
drksideofthewal Agreed. The Avengers 2 was way better. The Man of Steel does not even compare to this film in terms of story, character development and us actually caring about the characters.
The only thing comparable was the destruction around the fights. But in the Avengers 2, concern was shown for innocent bystanders. Whereas in Man of Steel, no one gave a damn.
And in my book, that's the difference between a hero and an asshole. The Superman in the first five films, was a true hero. The Man of Steel however, was an asshole.
TrollCrusher101 How do you know, Superman didn't care? You need to watch these videos: ua-cam.com/users/mosanswersvideos
GameStation3 Actions speak louder than words. His actions indicated that he did not care. As for those videos you refer to ... manofsteelanswers? More like man of steel plot hole excuses lol. I don't have time to look at them in detail, but the battery analogy and atmospheric weakness video was just stupid. That's not how Superman's powers work.
TrollCrusher101 If he didn't care, he wouldn't have bothered to destroy Zod's World Engine at all. And by doing that he literally saved the entire planet and everyone on it! You call that "not caring"?
They failed to mention the best part of the movie. Good discussion though.
Marcsman07 The best part? You mean the one that almost made me go to sleep? :) Or the one that shocked everyone?
Asylation Vision and the hammer man.
Marcsman07 I was trying not to spoil anything. But yeah, at that scene, the whole audience went silent and then bursted out laughing.
I actually look forward to Bucky becoming Cap, despite how sad I will be whenever Steve dies and or retires. And the problem with DC movies is that... well, they are bad. And Man of Steel's main problem was that he did not even try and save anyone. He didn't try and fail, he didn't try at all.
Superman lands in the rubble of Metropolis with Lois Lane. Now does he go and check for survivors to help? Lol nope, he focuses on kissing Lois instead!
The avengers went out to eat at schwarmas in the first film. People died during that attack too.
GellyfishProductions Because he's more concerned with the well being of the woman he's falling for and who is safe in his arms right then and there? I mean I highly doubt you'd be all "hey I'm glad you're safe now fuck off while I check on civilians".
HeatForce Maybe some, but when Captain America was calling the shots for everyone when they were in the huddle, he sent one or two people out to do just about nothing but damage control.
HeatForce Important part being that they ate schwarmas AFTER the attack not DURING.
GellyfishProductions "The power of boner" :p
I am really enjoying the humorous tone of the Marvel movies, it works. DC is sadly fucking it up. Its way too dark and grim.
Joe, Hawkeye making additions to his home is a metaphor for his adventuring with the Avengers. When he leaves to fight Ultron, he tells his wife that after the latest remodel, he's done with the remodels. Later, driving with Black Widow, he talks about doing one more modification to the home. This is his way of saying he's not done adventuring. He at least has one more adventure in him.
*does avengers 2 review
compares movie to man of steel entire time*
Joe I love u but wtf people don't care about man of steel anymore y don't u compare it to a actual good movie
Marvel is really doing it right. But my prediction to Quicksilver I think he comes back. He wasn't confirmed dead, but since you guys forgot about the inhumans Movie and in the comics the inhumans revive QS so we can prolly see him in infinity war coming in fast and save his sister and the avengers and the inhumans assist the avengers.
Jamie Grabow Movie was excellent. At this point, the only superhero movies people can point to that are better, are other Marvel movies like GOTG and Winter Soldier.
Justin Sondermann Also depends on Aaron Taylor-Johnson's marvel movie contract. He did express interest on continuing, although they'd need a convincing way to bring him back. Yep, Inhumans it is.
Although his death did have some gravity to it, and reversing that would only cement the "No-one dies in the MCU", I do hope they do it.
drksideofthewal don't mind that Jamie guy
Gladerunner2113 he also already have a new costume just like his sister
Justin Sondermann Said it further up, They said he is dead, very, very dead. So dead you could go into Hades, take him out and he'd instantaneously die.. AGAIN.
I'm going to make a crazy prediction. It will probably be wrong but Ima still make it.
The reason Heimdall's eyes are orange is because he has a Infinity Stone in his possession. When Thor sees that Heimdall's eyes are white, it only encourages the point.
Everyone is hating on Man of Steel and DC, but how could everyone forget how disappointing Iron Man 3 was by Marvel
Justin Johnson Iron Man 3 did suck quite badly.
Yup terrible terrible movie.
I didn't think Iron Man 3 was as bad as Iron Man 2. Just my opinion.
JoyfulGamer agreed
Justin Johnson Don't forget Iron man 2 as well. Hated Iron man 2.
Sup could have led Zod literally anywhere Joe. It's still weak. no matter how much you rant.OHH... and NO, Tony checked the building before he crashed the Hulk into it. he even buys it as he destroys it.
Patric Flück Actually, no. Superman could not have led Zod anywhere because Zod wasn't going to let him. Why would Zod follow him out of the city? Makes no sense. Not to mention Superman literally came into his powers and suit just minutes prior to Zod and crew showing up.
History of Video Games After Sup took down the colony ship, Zod refocused all his attention to avenging his people. Consumed by rage, Zod would have followed Sup anywhere.
Zod wanted to cause superman pain. Superman knows if he leaves zod will kill people, so he stays and fights him. Read between the lines.
Patric Flück Someone could think Marvel put in these scenes just because MoS got his ass kicked by everyone and their mother for this city smashing thingy and they didn't want the same shit with the Hulk fight.
Lexkun Maybe there is some truth to that. Though the first avengers movie made a point of saving civilians as well. Watch the NY fight :)
THANK YOU!!!
I've been TRYING to explain to my friends on why Man of Steel was a good movie, and all they say is, "duuurrrhhh, but Superman didn't save everyone in Metropolis during the movie!"
I slapped them all.
At the same time.
skip the first 4 min bc joe rants about man of steel
MultiDK12 Why? It's relevant to the conversation. Not his fault Marvel fanboys are going to shit on MoS for no apparent reason.
In a Avengers review, The plot and details were discussed for another movie so I don't think its relevent
MultiDK12 ...did you even watch the review? He brings up the destruction because it's a point of criticism for Man of Steel. Rewatch it, thanks!
Yes its a point of criticism for MAN OF STEEL. I watched the review and I just thought it was unnecessary to defend his favorite movie
Scarlet witch is one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe she would destroy Thanos... the fuck you think Ironmans blast is gonna do compared to Scarlet Witch.
I think she even shattered demissions in the comics that's how powerful she is
ArdennN21 shes been scarlet witch for like a week in the movies. calm down, shes not there yet.
ArdennN21 All of them are nerfed in the movies. Comic Hulk or Thor would laugh at the Battle of NY from the first movie
Uh...no. During house of M she basically rewrote reality, but she was heavily buffed at the time. Thanos has done much, much worse.
I think that the characters' powers are nerfed in the movies so that that universe seems more grounded in reality. It would be cool to see everyone have all their power, but I understand why Marvel doesn't want the movies to turn into anime craziness.
That comment about thanos just tipping the stone out of vision’s head was right 😂
superman killed more people than zod in man of steel. lol.
Superman still saved the entire fucking planet though.
the man of steel I didn't like that movie the action scenes they were fighting way to fast In the movie so half the time I couldn't see what was going on please tell me I'm not the only one?
I love all your shows dude they're funny as hell bro! Wish is could get like half a percentage of support as you get man. Keep em coming Joe Bro!
The moment I saw Clint's VERY happy and loving family, I just thought "Oh, well. Clint's joining Tara, Cordelia, Joyce, Wash, etc. Its what Joss does."
thumbnail should be called “Defending Man of Steel”
You are officially my #1 UA-camr... If I could like this video multiple times I would!!!!
Who’s here after endgame ?
The Ether wasn't on earth technically. It was in some dimension accessible only when the Convergence or whatever happened, because it was locked there. Before that it was with the Dark Elves on their world.
I say Vision is the most important character in this movie. Why I say this? If vision has the soul gem two other important people get this stone Doctor Strange and Adam Warlock (who in many comics beats Thanos over and over again). Since Guardians of the Galaxy Easter egged Adam Warlock, I believe in Guardians 2 he will receive the soul stone from doctor strange, vision or surprise us
Man of Steel or Avengers, the same thought always goes through my head when these fight scenes break out: "Those people are dead. That skyscaper you just blasted through? 1000's dead. No way around it."
Iron Man actually tries to pull Hulk away from the city, he even says thats what he's doing. Hulk is mind crontrolled. Superman in Man of Steel fought in the city of his own free will with no effort or even lip service made to trying to get the fight outside of the city.
Wasn't expecting Ultron to be as "human" as he was, he actually has emotion
Came to get a review on Avengers, got yelled at about Superman. The feelings are real.
Really liked the point about how it would be Captain America's job to bear news of the deceased to their families, carrying their signature items.
The problem with Man of Steel isn't just that Superman didn't save people, it's that at no time until the final neck snap did he show any care or concern for the people or destruction. For example in Superman II during the super fight Superman shouted out "NO! THE PEOPLE!". His opponents realized that his love for the people was his weakness. Then he ran from the fight specifically to move the fight away from the city. Man of Steel didn't show any of that kind of concern and that's the problem.
The reason Quicksilver was killed is because the X-Men Quicksilver from Days of Future Past was extremely popular and Disney didn't think they could outshine the already existing Quicksilver.
The Aether wasn't on earth. They only found it because of the convergence letting her space-time warp to wherever deliberately forgotten corner of the nine realms it actually was in.
Btw Joe, you're absolutely right about Superman. Even then, this was literally Supes first day on the job. He isn't going to save everyone.
I actually watched Man of Steel today before coming across this review, and I totally agree, the destruction is the same or more. MoS is still one of my favorite DC movies
Note with that Iron man VS. Hulk fight: you can see Tony consistently tries to pull the battle away from the city, in ways like flying up into the air; who the hell is gonna get hurt when they are out of reach?
Minimizing ranged weaponry- we both know that if he just fired a middle or used his damn lasers, he could effectively take on hulk without even the slightest risk, yet he doesn't, as every missed shot could hit a civilian instead(yes, he does fire his laser, but he was just slowing hulk and was already at close range). At a point were an elevator is knocked down he catches it and makes a point in letting everyone get off before fighting.
In man of steel, it's just about hitting Zod. Doesn't matter who is there, even times where Superman is the direct result of possible civilian casualty. Just that ending is not enough.
The producers have already stated that the Infinity War will have both the old and new Avengers teams, the Guardians of the Galaxy, plus apparently the upcoming new heroes like Ant-Man, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel. They are prepared to film from 2016-2019.
The Infinity Stone isn't what's keeping him alive. He's actually just holding it. Thor said it himself. "The Infinity Stone is safe with him." is what he said. In the comics, Vision has ANOTHER Infinity Stone in his head.
The Aether was in a pocket dimension and portals popped up randomly in all the realms because of that cosmic anomaly. That's how Jane found it.
for my civil war comment i need to clarify, they are watching the debate while scanning her thoughts, and even though she loses the senate debate/vote and it goes to the ratifying vote, they all show up to the final vote to ratify and that is the speech the 4 give and as they talk, charles puts up viewing style tv's using the frequency of the live feeds so the world sees what they're saying. to add gravity to it, and that's how comic fans found out that sabretooth/wolverine where there as magneto as a kid did his gate crush but the governments had them on recon and they had to watch, not act
I think that falcon,black widow,cap,scarlet witch,vision & iron patriot is the civil war team
There's nothing wrong with DC doing a "reverse Marvel", as in "group movies first, solo afterwards". It's perfectly possible for DC to make great team-up movies without having individual films beforehand. This benefits "unknown" DC characters as well. Think about it, it would be much easier and cost-efficient to introduce characters like Hawkman and Martian Manhunter in a Justice League movie than solo films. As an example, we never got a solo Quicksilver or Scarlett Witch film, yet audiences were able to like them by the end of Age of Ultron. It also allows Warner Bros to test the waters and see which characters the audiences love and which ones they don't care for. Another benefit of doing "team up first, solo next" is that solo films don't have to shoehorn in as much easter eggs and references to the next or previous film. Darkseid as the ultimate bad guy would be a huge plus for DC since he doesn't need infinity stones to have power. No more getting sidetracked as to who has what anymore.
One thing I really loved about age of ultron is seeing captain america taking his place as commander of the avengers. Such a great leader
that 1v1 captain versus ultron where captain is stalling ultron was so epic that made captain the awesomest avenger in my eyes