The Day Behringer Won
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- When the underdog wins.
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Just get some local pedal-guy to rehouse the Behringer in a Metal box.
Thats not a bad idea… might do it myself even
If you EVER have tried to do what you've said actually, you'd know the rehousing NR300 with proper cutout for a selector switch costs about a used Boss NS-2 AND another Behringer NR300.
just buy new one they're free
@@DongTaan112 here in brazil they used to make tube screamer clones inside sardine cans. If there's a drill there's a way
My first thought.👍
I’m not a fanboy for anything, but behringer re-engineers old equipment using new electronics which have changed a tad in 50 some years. They even remanufacture old synth chips which is actually easier than re-engineering some circuits. (CEM chips for synth clones). It’s not “just copying”. I question their ethics like most people but what they do is difficult engineering, because you can’t just copy in most cases with more complex circuits.
I'm a fanboy for the Super Fuzz. It never leaves my board.
@@numskul effectively exact replica of the Boss Hyper Fuzz FZ-2.
Meanwhile in an alternate universe where dankpods was a guitarist
lol
Damn, came here to say that.😅
What do Behringer pedals and power tools have in common?
Both are enclosed in a plastic housing.
People are generally not concerned about the strength of their power tools but they are very concerned about the strength of their Behringer pedals.
The main difference is that you don't stomp on power tools.
Granted if your behringer housing is breaking, you're actually stomping too hard lol.
professional power tools are also made with plastic housings. its not about the housing, its about whats inside.
hopefully your power tools are made with glass-filed nylon and not ABS.
rehousing a pedal can be more work than getting some DIY PCB clones and building from scratch. depends what you want to build of course. But for something like a fuzz of overdrive, the projects are rarely very difficult. It will cost you 2x-3x more in parts than what behringer sells the same pedal for though.
@@boriscat1999 I never had to rehouse any of my Behringer pedals as they have never broken. Granted I never actually jumped down on them from a balcony.
I have an Arion Metal Master and an MXR Overdrive from the 80’s in plastic cases. Zero problems. And I just put them on the ground. Why would you ever need metal cases on a pedal velcroed to a board?
Dude the one where they REALLY smoked boss is with the superfuzz. The crappy lil setting switch knob they got lets you use fuzz 1 and 2 at the same time lol. Even the vintage ones can’t let you do that
@@CG-rf6nu lollll Jeezuz relax bro. Mine sounds fuckin sick I dunno what’s wrong with yours. It pairs well with everything. I love both settings and the secret setting, and the boost lol. Typically you can only put fuzz all the way at the front but this shit has 6 🏳️⚧️istors so you can put it kinda anywhere on the board and it doesn’t suffer that much. Sounds sick thru my sexy ass fender evil twin, my wack ass preamp havin fender solid state bass, straight into the interface, straight into mixer, on synths and drum machines and vocals.
I don’t understand how it can be unusable trash lol I use it all the time. It goes well with all my overdrives and dirt boxes and other fuzz pedals. It sounds amazing post reverb. I’ve literally used one on a girl’s vocals straight into the mixer and it sounded fire.
Also their analog delay is insanely good; it’s got real deal anal og 🪣 brigade chips I liked it better than my mxr carbon copy. I don’t have any other ones but ima cop the vibrato for sure
Fuzzes are temperamental and temperature sensitive; maybe urs is busted.
I suppose you have knowledge authority for defy the statement from Josh of JHS about the Super Fuzz
@@CG-rf6nu sounds more like you don't know how to play super fuzz style pedals
@@CG-rf6nu Super Fuzz/Hyper Fuzz style pedals aren't for total, snivelling wimps. That may be your issue. There's lots of Tone Bender and Blues Breaker style pedals around.
To be fair they kinda wins there by default because boss doesn't make it anymore and behringer does lol
I have the Boss NS-2 and it doesn't do that wonky treble roll-off. I think what you encountered was something we all encounter eventually, quality control issues. Sound is incredibly sensitive to component variation and if an op-amp or a transistor is out of spec or even close to out of spec, it can alter the sound. I can't tell from the pictures of the circuit board, but I think that if you tried another Boss NS, you'd have a different result. Of course, there isn't a reason to try another Boss NS since the Behringer works.
In the future I might look for an used boss again just to confirm if that was the case, from what I been reading in the comments about peoples experience with the boss pedal the more I believe the one I got was faulty
@@ebheron Here in the U.S., the Boss NS costs $110 or about four Behringer's. Maybe just buy a couple of spare Behringer's and be done with it. I think the key is to make sure your gigging pedal board has easily replaceable pedals. Don't put anything expensive or hard to get on it. Save your boutique pedals for home.
My first guess was also that somethin was fried in his pedal.
The other options i could think up were either
his effects chain was clipping the ns-2 (somehow) where the behringer didnt (somehow)
or
the behringer pedal added a capacitor or something to the design
bein borked is the most likely culprit tho. Like, that thing would be notorious for sucking lol.
@@47Jonesy The only thing holding me back from going nuts buying into Behringer is the plastic case. You can get just about all of what Behringer offers for close to their $25 price and get a metal case. The only pedal I can't get an inexpensive copy of is my Frantone Brooklyn Drive. It's the pride of my pedal collection and I love the sound but I'm afraid to take it out of the house.
1 factory defective is 1 factory defective too many. Been through that many times myself.
He has the box!
Been using NS-2 since they came out, never heard of that treble roll off before.....!
I use an NS-2, specifically to combat the hiss of the HM-2 (not chainsawing), and I've never had this issue once.
While Behringer aren't without their problems, I've had better reliability out of Behringer rack-mount gear than I've had out of some supposedly more reputable (and more expensive) brands like DBX.
"And they hated Uli because he spoke the truth" 😂
Jesus brazilian dankpods
damn these boss pedals are twice the price over there? insane
bro
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thank you for all the info and for the nice video man, this is very inspiring stuff
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Nicely done, entertaining video! I am a bad guitar player so I don't bother spending big money on gear. I've got a Behringer Super Fuzz that I love, and now honestly I'm contemplating the NR-300. Thanks!!
NS2 should be used with 4 cable method in the FX loop. I find that this makes the tone totally transparent and you can set the gate way tighter because it is working off your clean signal to attenuate your Gain signal.
I tried both methods on my tests, the regular in line and the 4 cable method, also did the tone sweep on both the output and send jacks, both had the same stinky treble rolloff.
Next test I’ll Illustrate that better, for this video I couldn’t film the tests much more because I already had returned the NS2 by the time I made the video.
Just from the thumbnail I knew this was gonna be heavily inspired by Dankpods and god was I not disappointed.
Frank smells.
PS: great video
It doesn't matter what tools you use. Just that you use them to create.
First time watching anything from your channel and WAS NOT expecting the Dank Pods reference hahaha
Excellent vid man, you convinced me to buy the NS300.
Most metal coffee mug ever hahaha. Great video man!
Thanks for stopping by Grymbo!
This... was a great video. Funny and informative.
LMFAO @ the plate that's simply added for weightiness.
Gdamit Behringer..
Is something possibly wrong with your Boss? I've never really heard of it sucking that badly. Prob does, but just food for thought. Maybe try get another one, or borrow one to compare?
@@jamescassidy4045 I most likely will!
@@ebheron Ya, I have a feeling that could just be that pedal, because even if a pedals not broken, with components that old, they can just get way out of spec sometimes, or perhaps just a single component could be bad, so I do think it’s worth a try. I always remember hearing these NS-2’s (not talking about newer ones) could slightly suck tone, but at the same time, that seems pretty extreme to me. Like if it was doing that to say John 5’s tone, who’s used one live forever, then I guess they would be doing some wild corrective/additive EQ, and such, but I couldn’t really see any pro using one if they are consistently that bad hah.
@@ebheron Ya, I have a feeling that could just be that pedal, because even if a pedals not broken, with components that old, they can just get way out of spec sometimes, or perhaps just a single component could be bad, so I do think it’s worth a try. I always remember hearing these NS-2’s (not talking about newer ones) could slightly suck tone, but at the same time, that seems pretty extreme to me. Like if it was doing that to say John 5’s tone, who’s used one live forever, then I guess they would be doing some wild corrective/additive EQ, and such, but I couldn’t really see any pro using one if they are consistently that bad hah.
@@ebheron Either way, still really good to know that the Behringer is pretty rad.
I think your NS-2 might be bad, mine doesn't have this issue (it's an older, used model)
By and large, there's nothing wrong with Behringer pedals. They sound good, they do the job, and they're cheap. Used plenty of them and never had an issue.
I'm pretty sure Boss is just a brand under the Roland name. Just like how. Just like how Ibanez, that makes the Tube Screamer, was orignally just a brand name whose pedals were built by Maxon.
cannot believe you actually do has the box - excellent work on hasing the box dude
Time to go DIY and make pedals from kits, the move on to making your own.
So much money saved, circuits are the same, components may not be "high quality hand picked directly from the peak of Mt Fuji" but they sound the same. You can make a 300$ pedal with just 30$, and probably the circuit's gonna have mods too so chances are it'll be even better.
6:19 The pedal is doing nothing, not even removing noise, because this is a Noise Gate, not a Noise Filter. Big difference.
I also recommend using the FX loop for distortion as intended. Once you dialed in the threshold, the pedal will always behave the same, regardless of how much gain is inside that loop.
That was how I was using the pedal tho, all the dirt pedals were in the loop of the NS2, perhaps in the timestamped clip I was using it differently for testing but at the time I was more concerned about the filtering that was going on. I do intend in doing a follow up video using an older used NS2 to see if the one I got was defective, I’ll take better sound clips for both pedals then!
I have the Behringer. Works fine. It's like $25 or something US.
"very BARE-inger"
I am an American but I use Joyo, Behringer and Donner pedals because they work and they're not super expensive nor do I treat my things with any roughness.
Joyo Chopper Z
Behringer Vintage Analogue Delay
Behringer EQ700 Graphic EQ 7 band
Behringer BEQ700 Bass Graphic EQ 7 band (diff frequencies and I use 8 string guitars)
Joyo Vintage Overdrive
Donner Noisegate
Vox Wah Pedal (my only expensive pedal but it IS nice..)
Dude, Brazil really ruins the experience of GAS. Really, being a 🇧🇷born blues/electronica guitarist, I’ve never been into noise gates, but this video is ACE and your content is really watchable. Parabens, man, keep em coming
I have a lot of Behringer stuff and it works great. I think because they are plastic people think that they are crap.
Lately I’ve been trusting Behringer stuff more and more
@@ebheronThe only Behri stuff that I wouldn't get behind/trust is their early 2000s amplifiers. That is what seriously contributed to Behringer's reputation. Genuinely badly made, a lot of it. They have improved so much since.
Good find thanx
Dude, greetings from ecuador, pedals here are also expensive as hell, my first ones were behringer too, they get the job done and pretty good
Btw the quality of this video is awesome hope you reach the 1k subs soon
Awesome video
Awesome video. Makes me want to start testing all my pedals now lol.
“Legendary company, years of experience, shitty pedal”
Amen
It's we on the tape, bro. Ganhou mais um seguidor
My 2nd Guitarist actually has a JCM2000 Head and I have a Bugera 6262 (their supposed Peavey EVH 5150 copy, mine doesnt have auto BIAS-ing like the new versions). Instead of comparing who does what best you should combine those two. The Marshall for lead and the Bugera for rythm. The quite raw gnarly-ness of the Bugera helps hardrock/punk/metal rythms immensely, plus is braindead loud, whereas the Marshall can solo better with crisper, more well-pronounced highs. Dont fight, just make music. Whichever genre you want. But preferably Hardrock.
Thought this was a video from a 500k+ subscriber channel. Good video!
Loved the video, and the real star, Rubber Chicken. Inventor of the RC xotic rooster pedal.
I work as an electrical engineer in consumer electronics. I kinda get tired of the how dare behringer steal a pedal design. Like first of the most boutique guitar amplifier has less design than a bluetooth headset. Like Roland doesn't deserve to keeping getting paid for hiring a good engineer like 3 decades ago. behringer to do all the reverse engineering needs good engineers. Also, a noise gate is not ultra complex it is level measurer and a voltage controlled amplifier. I mean Roland can engineer for part variance as well as anyone else. The designer is not getting paid more if keep buying the boss pedal or behringer.
Great video. Subscribed. And because I'm guessing others wanted to know, R$1,934.10 for the Boss HM is US$345.50...which yeah is crazy b/c Sweetwater has the same pedal for $150...so more than double the price
behringer is german engineering
I have used the Compressor-Sustainer CS400 a few years happily alongside a cheap Pi fuzz from Amazon
Home built fuzz face and boosts otherwise..
Wow, who knew brazillian people could be funny! Great video btw
@8:38 is that a Brad Neely (Wizard People, Dear Reader) impression?
Not really, it was on accident lol
Hey look at that, turns out I was right all along too! not about the Behringer, never tried one, but about the NS. I never bothered to make that comparisson but I always hated how it sounded like, and my friends thought I was crazy. Personally I ended up going with the ISP Decimator. The crazy thing is, the NS sounded so different I never even need to compare it side by side, I just turned it on and went "there's something wrong here..." ... Anyway, good job with the comparison. Greetings from your neighbor in the south! lol
Lesson of the day.
Try the gear.
You might be surprised with the results.
In the end it's your sound, and only you know how it should sound like.
Don't stare yourself blind on brands.
Great video mate!!
He has the box !!!
I've used the NS-2 for a lot of years now. Never had this issue. It might take a bit of the edge off, but nothing I would be able to hear in a live mix, since I mostly just use it for rehearsals and shows.
P.S., I love your video style. I saw that you're kinda inspired by DankPods and those influences work out great :)
Nah, that Noise Supressor is gotta be broken.
holy shit I found the brazilian metalhead dankpods
I had the reverse problem - I found the behringer one had tone suck and noise - maybe the build varies !
Me solidarizo com todos os musicos que vivem no Brasil e querem comprar equipamentos.
great video! subscribed
idk man i got an ISP decimator 15 years ago and havent looked back
That Behringer NR300 costs 28€ in Germany wich is equivalent to 31USD or 173R$
Boss NS-2 in US $109.99 in Brazil BRL 1,129.00...
I make more in one hour of work than a behringer pedal so.... I will keep buying them. If one break just put other new😂.
Loved the video bro.
It just might be the best Behringer pedal of all. Mine works great, but I prefer the iSP Decimator II G String.
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Voltei a tocar faz pouco tempo, daí fui lembrar dos tempos de Behringer, guitarra Condor Rocky e baixo de 400 conto
Do nada, DO NADA, um mano das antigas com um estúdio maneiro, vivendo de música, criando conteúdo bom pra cacete brota no meu feed
Velho, que feliz te reencontrar e que feliz saber que você segue na música!
Caraio DAN!!!
Caraio digo eu, @@ebheron!
Que absurdo teu conteúdo!
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I bought a behringer vibrato (vb-2 clone). It broke after two weeks of non-gigging stereo use. Never even stepped on it, just plugged it in and used it on my pedalboard with a loop switcher. It bricked didn’t turn on or anything. You get what you pay for.
I was so disappointed with the boss NS2 I should have returned it when it was possible. I just dont use a noise suppressor at all, but would like to try the ISP noise suppressor one day.
That is odd, I haven't had such a problem with either of my NS-2 pedals. I'll have to mess with it a bit more to see for certain, I know that we run the pedal differently. I use the pedal first in my chain and only use the input and output, I could never get the send / return side of the pedal to do what I needed which was just cutting feedback of my guitar.
What if the BOSS was defective?
The problem I have with Behringer stuff is that whenever it comes down to the EQ curve of a pedal, they don't match the original. Is the difference big enough to care? I don't know - if I could afford the originals to compare the copies to, I wouldn't be buying Behringer in the first place.
Plastic is lighter and that’s a good thing.
😊It,s been on my board for 2 years. It’s a noise suppressor.
I will say I got another one recently and the little tabs that hold the pedal part broke and now I,lol have to duct tape it together. It will still work fine and look cooler but it’s something to be aware of.
2:00 lol
Using an HM2 with a noise gate is blasphemy
@@diabeticmonkey dont worry, I turn it off when using the chainsaw :)
Roland giving consumers what they want.... 😂 Thats like asking for a small affordable pickup truck these days.
Test the Behringer TM300 against 2 or more Boss overdrives/distortions. You might be suprised!
Can you do a video on the Behringer TO800?
Boss today not as “tank” as the old day was. Recently purchase the sd1, but no matter i crank the drive, it doesn’t add any drive to the sound. Even my cheap nux lacerate boost pedal can give more drive than the sd1. I gotta send it back to the store. Also have the katana go for practicing and then after three month the volume knob broke as i turn the volume up but the volume potentio got hard tu turn. Maybe it just a bad luck for me since I do have another boss pedal like oc3 and ce2 that works really well. But it was purchased like a decade ago 😂
i actually sold my peavey 6505+ and bought a Bugera 6262 infinium. 😂
basically identical, but then there is differences for live playing musicians like me, small ones, but there are.
the lack of the depth pot, and it beibg replaced with some semi-useful reverb is the worst thing about the bugera, the next bad thing is that the crunch/clean chanell switch on the footswitch that comes with the amp, doesn't have an LED, so if you want to visually check wether you're in clean or crunch, you have to look at the amp.
a thing i like better on the bugera (besides the price, right now peavey 1600€ vs. Bugera 600€ both street prices for new units.) is the infinium thing. i can see wether a tube is broken, and if need be can just pop in any other tube, if time or money constraints prohibit me from bringing the unit to a tech.
internally from quality of components, they're pretty much equal, also both made in china. the US made ones back in the day were partially made by incarcerated people, working in a prison workshop near the peavey headquarters, so i doubt the motivation of those workers, their pride in the job and eye for quality is in any way better than that of the chinese workers at the behringer factory.
all in all i'm satisfied with the bugera and it's a great backup amp for when my Engl Powerball2 might give up. but i'd also play the bugera as my main if i was on a budget without any headaches.
(i was on a budget when i sold the peavey and bought the bugera. pocketing the 200€ difference and used it for a utility bill i had to pay. yeah the broke musician cliché...)
if your import tariffs in brazil weren't so ridiculous, i'd suggest you get one of those infinium units. here in germany on the used market they go for 300€ usually, while peaveys have risen in price during covid time to an eye watering 700-1000€ used (which was about the new price back in 2018/19).
enough of my ramblings. keep the videos coming, they're very entertaining. ✌🏻
This is surprising to me,,when i use an NS-2 there's a noticeable boost (which can be its own nuisance if im switching it on and off) and it's not subtle.
I have no idea what your setup is but that's the most noise I have ever heard using a noise reduction/gate pedal when it's on. I play metal also but don't have the same issue. Had you set the threshold at that point?
I keep the threshold and decay at a minimum and have my overdrive and preamps in the loop of the noise reducer, from what I observed both pedals don’t kill the noise entirely.
I keep the amp pretty loud so maybe it didn’t show properly in the video but the noise reduction is considerable even if the noise is still there, for total silence I do have a mute switch set up in the board as well.
The way I set it up is a bit if a compromise, there is noise reduction but I don’t want to crank the threshold or else I can hear the gate clamping the sustain of the notes, it will be a little bit noisy still but it is what it is
My ns 2 is definitely still loud, without it though it's unbearable. Running high gain Marshall dry
Where do a noise reducer sit in the effects chain? near end, at the very end...beginning maybe??? good to know behringer makes useful devices
This specific kind of noise reducer has a loop where you are supposed to put your drive pedals on, thats how I use it.
Technically it is near the end of the chain! Right before my delay that is the very last
Did you put the noise reducer in the FX loop or between the guitar and the amplifier? The loss of highs makes me suspect you put it in the FX loop.
I tried on both, fx loop, after distortions, result was always the same
Behringer? I hardly know her!
Lmao,
I play with a telecaster. And I purchased the NS-2 based on that “feature”.
Now i got smoother sound and a silencer.
I can see how this muffled sound sucks for humbuckers. But, single coils? Gimme the boss every day baby.
I have owned both and originally got the Behringer first and it actually affected my tone, but never had that issue with the NS2.
I've an ns2 on my bass pedalboard, and had no such problems..... Maybe you got a dud?
Comprei o meu ns2 usado e mandei pro Jr mods pro mod que ele faz, ficou incrível, recomendo
Vou conferir depois!
Hey!, whats wrong with bugera amps? (Make a video about it please)
Lol there is nothing wrong with em, would love to get my hands on one to make a video tho!
LOL, didnt expect you to be from brazil, nem percebi o sotaque
great video, funny af too hahahaha
That’s incredibly weird! My boss ns2 didn’t cut off any of the top end through my orange tiny terror.
When I hear all the general hate towards Behringer, I start laughing....You haters...Go and pay full price, be my guest. All Behringer does is re-engineer stuff, add some modern features and produce a "normal" pricepoint giving people the possibility to own and use gear which they NEVER would have been able to own/buy in their lifetime.
To all these "brand" junkies....HAHAHA.....To Uli Behringer, I salute and commend you.
que alívio (such a relief) seeing the prices (pegar as facada) in brasileiro (em good portuguese Reais)
O boss tava fudido, certeza. Tenho os dois aqui ainda uso o behringher vez ou outra junto com o um300 so pra brincar de metal sem precisar usar minha board principal.
about Roland "really" reissuing their old analog gear, I came to think they just.. can't?
As in, all of their analog circuitry people either retired or died of old age, their supply chains have vanished and would have to be rebuilt from ground up, same for the fabs...
so maybe they just want to spare us a 1299$ 303, a 2500$ 101 and a 30k$ jupiter.
Even though it would be really fun to see
Weird I have an older behringer nr300and an ns-2 and the behringer has this issue moreso than the ns-2
@@666nacirema666 I’m starting to believe that with both pedals it is like a lottery, you have no idea what you are getting
@@ebheron Yeah after reading the comments me too. I think im gonna order another behringer to compare to the one I have.
Would be nice to find exactly what part and what amount of tolerance causes it.
I still use the behringer a lot though. I like most of their pedals and have had good luck with some of their amps in the past and now their synths.
Actually got the pink hm300 years ago when my hm2 broke while touring. Got made fun of by a guitar player from a well known death metal band for using it but it lasted the entire tour and sounded great.
I would love to see how you setup your pedals to be measured by REW.
Coming soon!
HE HAS THE BOX. XD
Must I move from Canada To Brazil?
How easy can I export "guitar pedal" from Brazil to USA?
I do not do "guitar Pedal" but it is legal in Brazil, CAnada and USA.