Origins of Israel Palestinian Conflict
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The Israeli Arab conflict is the result of interactions of superpowers in the early 20th century. British and French strategic interests in the Middle East were related to the Mediterranean trading route, which went from the Suez channel to Indian markets. But the presence of the Ottoman navy based in the Levant was a direct threat to British interests. So the British and the French decided to divide the Middle East into smaller entities and countries to make it impossible for the Ottoman Empire to control them all. A century later, the legacy of European colonization of the Arab world is reflected by its many ongoing conflicts.
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This was one of the most unbiased and fact based explanations of the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I agree. The young people of the Caspian Report routinely present some of the most informative and objective videos on a range of issues. See their video regarding the conflict between Iran and Israel, for example. I’m very impressed.
It's unbiased because it doesn't have any bias that could be fit into it. It delve into political things the only point he made was that if Israel didn't exist Palestine still wouldn't be free.
He's the best! I really hope he wins a prize in journalism one day. Creme de la creme of youtube.
Actually there is comparative bias when you take a look at the channel as it omits making equivalent comparisons when addressing Russia Iran Egypt Arabia Armrnia and is slightly biased towards the Ottoman empire and the idea of Pan-Islamism
Unbiased about what!! he didn't talk about the palistinian-isreali conflict he talked about the whole region except of israel.
Perhaps the best video I have seen on this issue. Well done.
+The JuanTrueKaiser I agree
Sahol is Turkic word which means thank you(for watching)
The Ottoman and British accounts tell the complete opposite.
@@AntonioDal. hi. Not only. Sag ol, literally means live a long life. English translation is thank you and also good bye. In this video it means good bye.
This video is like a wine🍷. The more it ages, the more valuable it becomes. It provides us the historical background, hence the useful information to better understand the current conflict.
Honestly Caspian Report has not improved since these early days, and if anything has only deteriorated over time IMHO. I used to Patreon him the first few years. I get it, to earn money you have to pump out the videos, and sensationalize with hot takes, but less is more and the integrity levels seemed perfect back then.
Wow. I'm blown away by this. I just learned in 10 minutes (okay, 20 minutes because I had to re-watch many parts) what I failed to learn from all other sources on this issue combined. This is one of the best and most important channels on UA-cam. They should show this stuff in schools.
I surely didn't expected this face... I been following this channel for 2 yrs but surely was not imagining this face
It was made 10 years ago though.
This face?
@@javadis the video 🤦♂️
what is unexpected here?
It's like rocket science.
But you explained it well.
"rocket" science
It's really not that complicated.
I am SHOCKED!! What a wonderful, accurate and informative video!! Keep up the great work!
This is the best summary I saw so far. Kudos! You are very intelligent and your videos very objective. Bravo!
I wish you great future!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I've learned more from your 10 minute video than 30 years of media coverage in my country did.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
You forgot to thank him for his ignorance.
Why do you say
Lots of great info, with no fluf and to the point.
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I like your series, but I wish you would put a date stamp in the corner of the video, or a time line at the bottom of the video.
+Donovan Thompson I like this idea. Hope he takes note
+Donovan Thompson Exactly my thoughts :)
Donovan Thompson
The video was uploaded on 28 Sep 2011. Every single video on youtube has a date stamp.
@@kylemccormack1785 i think he means a date in the video of whatever era he's talking about
The end of the video is very much true: Even if Israel did not exist, no "Palestinian" state would exist.
Like Zouhair Moussein (one of the furious anti-Israeli PLO leaders) clearly said to the Dutch newspaper Trouw, 1977:
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan".
While an organised state as we understand it today would maybe not exist the people who lived and continue to live there are pretty much real, however you or anyone else wants to call them. With their heritage in Palestine comes the right to remain in their land and continue to live there as they did for thousands of years, regardless of the politics and even the nonsense argument of purchasing land from conquerors who merely passed by and declared the land theirs. It rightly belongs to the local farmers who worked the land for the last hundreds or even thousands of years and is the home of their descendants.
Nobody cares if you call them Arabs to justify exiling them from where they lived to lump them together with people living hundreds of miles away, just like a German would not care if he is forceful exiled from Cologne to Berlin despite being all Germany to create a nation for people of a specific religion. It is and remains wrong.
His home are the local hills and rivers, his neighbors, the local woods, and of course his farm and family.
Nothing will change this fact. No matter how often this nation argument is repeated and politicians on both sides are referenced. This fact remains and until Israel realizes that and treats these locals accordingly conflict and hate will continue, i'm afraid. And I am sure Israelis want their children to grow up in a nation without fear just like the few remaining Palestinians who have not descended into bitterness.
kalif saladin The Arab/"Palestinian" hatred towards Israel is based on the brainwashing that says "Zionists stole 80% of Palestinian homeland..." - which is not true.
If the Arab/"Palestinian" side was not brainwashed by such a propaganda - for sure, finding compromises would be much easier than when one side constantly and falsely persuades itself that 80% of his homeland was stolen - which is completely untrue.
The identification of Palestinians and Palestine as a segment of Ottoman Syria dates back before the start of World War I. The region was distinguished from Jordan while under Arab rule, it was also defined as a region under Byzantine rule, and before that in biblical times. Moussein was not only a PLO member, but a member of the Syrian Ba'ath party. His comment can clearly be contextualized under his association with this pan-nationalist Syrian party whos purpose at the time was to restore Greater Syria. He wanted to unify the Levantine, so he disparaged the borders within it. Palestinians most definitely do have cultural differences when compared to Syrians and Lebanese, and to a lesser extent Jordanians. There are also noticeable differences in their Arabic dialects. The systematic degradation and denial of the historicity of the land and people of Palestine is an illogical Zionist rationalization used in an effort to justify that this region was "a land without a people for a people without a land". The land had a people, a proud people, and they are much more historically defined, legitimate, and entitled to the region then the European and other Jews living there today, as the Palestinians are actually natives of the land. Now before any one responds let me counter the inevitable ad-hominems that will come my way: I am not anti-jew, I don't think Israel should be dismantled, I recognize that European Jews were being discriminated against in Europe and deserved asylum from the persecution of European countries in the 19 and 20th century. However you can't deny the existence of the Palestinian people, they are there, and they were there.
***** Yes Joshua?! If you meant to ask my opinion about Sam Abe's comment - I'd react in short. In Russia's Siberia too for example, or recently overtaken Crimea too - the populations' are being called "Siberians", "Crimeans"...who presumably have their own slight differences in russian dialects, clothes, etc'. However, both Siberians and Crimeans and many other regions' people are still called Russians and no independence on ethnic ground will be acceptable for Russia exactly like no independence of Palestine's Arabs was acceptable for Arab neighbors - nor did the Arabs of Palestine demand any independence from the Arab brethren up until 11th June 1967, when the 6 day was lost and a new brainwashing propaganda was set by the Soviet KGB about how "palestinian people lost 80% of palestinian homeland". Even in 1981 the king Hussein of Jordan said clearly "It is a common knowledge that Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine". It was only in 1987, towards the end of the Cold War, that king Hussein gave up demands for Palestine just because he understood that with the end of Cold War - the Soviet Union won't any more support the Arab efforts to overtly eliminate Israel.
Moreover, specifically in Crimea mainly three different ethnities dwell - Turkic Tatars, Ukrainians and Russians - and still Crimea was a part of Ukraine and recently has become Russian.
Thus, neither Arabs of Palestine nor the neighboring Arabs planned any independence for Palestine just like Russia doesn't plan any independence for Siberia or Crimea.
And about the Arab refugees issue Israel answers that firstly, there was exchange of populations - about 800,000 Jewish refugees (who lost at least twice more private lands and properties, stolen/confiscated by different Arab governments) came from Arab lands came to Israel, while about 650,000 Arab refugees went to the Arab lands. Secondly, despite the population exchange, and despite the fact that the Jewish refugees lost twice more properties than the Arab refugees - Israel and several other countries did offer reparations to the Arab refugees at 2000 Camp David summit between Ehud Barak and Arafat, but Arafat declined everything and started his bloody intifada. So, recently Israeli parliament rightfully decided that no more reparations will be offered any more to the Arab refugees without demanding back reparations for the Jewish refugees too!
And thirdly, since 1945, in the most modern era, over 40 million refugees have been in different conflicts in Eastern Europe and Asia (especially during 1945-1960s) and hardly any refugees were let back or even offered reparations. So, Israel should not be singled out, especially taking into account that a population exchange took place between Israel and Arab lands.
In short, Israel is not an angel, but out of all/many countries - she's one of the most moral countries!
And to conclude, when the brainwashing propagandists shout about Israeli "genocide against palestinians" - we should recall that at the start of Zionism in 1881 - only about 350,000 Arabs lived in Palestine, who suddenly today have become millions + of "Palestinians"...
Zurab Zohar so so true!
Very informative, thank you for all these details!
excellent personality with a lucid presentation.
thank you.
Hi CR, another interesting post with a different perspective. My only critique is that Sykes and Picot were well aware of the existence of oil in mesopotamia and that certainly played a key role as an inducement to interfere in the region. You have guts to do this post given the biased diatribes that would surely be posted in the commentary. History study is all about understanding the truth of things.keep it up.
This is the only video on this issue that I like and believe it is legit information. All other videos are either pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian
I must say that this is a outstanding report. Some things I didn't even know out.
i love your channel and this is by far the most honest and unbiased account of the middle eastern conflict that i'v seen on youtube
I must look more into this. But you have Opened my eyes a huge amount. Thank you
great job, you are helping me so much in my learning experience
Really good, balanced explanation. One of the few that I could find on the internet. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Excellent information. Knew bits and pieces before, but it's
great to have it all time-lined. Thank you very much.
had to watch a few times ..to much to absorb in 1 time ..Thanks!
Perfect! absolutely spot on. every point you made was accurate. Very refreshing to hear such accurate and knowledge based fact about a topic so thoughtfully debated.
How forgot about the expelling of the native population, the establishing of a paramilitary unit of european jewish settlers Hagana with help of Great Britain etc.
@@shabakaalkheil8616 help of great britain? britain tried to crush the jewish revolt 1941-44 and failed. they crushed the arab revolt 1936-39 though. then arabs lost civil war too.
This was really interesting. As an Israeli who thought he was familiar with most of the historical facts, this was very enlightening... thank you!
I always appreciate your thoroughness and accuracy. Thank You.
One of the best summations of the conflict I have seen on UA-cam.
Thank you- one of the few unbiased accounts of the conflict.
You've inspired me to do more research and perhaps make my own videos on the subject going in more detail once I have a sufficient understanding of the whole thing.
Metal Gear solid 2 theme in the background
Thank you for that very informative video. It helps tremendously to understand current events in their proper historic context.
This was very informative and well made, I hope you keep making these videos and would like to suggest a more in depth type of videos for the future, where you could explain exactly where the various factions come from and so on.
This video was an eye opener for me on a personal level, taking into consideration the outside forces and interests in the region. The unity between Syria and Egypt is noteworthy as it had its direct effects on the Arab Monarchies, but it should be noted that by the time of the 6 day War 1967, the unity was over and what remained was the principles and ideology of unity, nationalism and socialism. Seems too dangerous an idea then and even today, the most recent victim was Gadhafi in Libya who wanted to unite Africa and unify their currency and had enough gold and silver reserves to do it, endangering the petrodollar and Franc. People thought he was getting senile in his old age, but someone took him seriously and it cost him his life, rule and unrest in Libya and for the Libyan people, leaving a void for extremism to fester and spread. Divide and rule devastated the Middle East, in Iraq oppositions were imported and instated to rule the majority, a similar attempt now in Syria. Nasser is long gone. Somehow, a common enemy came along one every juncture of history in the region afterwards to unite enemies in a common cause. Why beat about the bush? The Arab Monarchies supported Israel since its inception not for love but for interests. Hidden behind a façade to keep their people sedated and preserve their rule. one question remains, who wags the dog? only time will tell.
I'm a jew living in Israel and i have to say it is the first fairly neutral anylsis of the middle east conflict i seen on youtube, from both jews and arabs. I think that without a rational approach and having a true understanding of the history and politics of the region it is impossible to make a true judgment of the sitsuation, and results in anybody getting involved resorting to emotional rants fuled by propagana and disinformation from both sides of the conflict. The only thing i think this video failed to mention is the ancestral and religious connection the jews feel towards the land of Israel. Without it it's impossible to understand what fueled the zionist movment and motivated jews from all corners of the globe to migrate to israel despite having less probelmatic soloutons, like Argentina, Uganda or even the US. It also explains Israel's policy regarding jerusalem and the settlements in the east bank.
Its true but the zionist ideal is much older the movement called after it. Jewish yearning to go back israel existed ever since the first exile almost 3000 years ago and has many manifestations in jewish life, prayer and thought. There was a continuous jewish presence in israel for almost 4000 years. Without these factors the zionist movement wouldnt have swayed the jewish people hearts and make them commit to its cause as it did.
jews as an ethnic group had a presence in the land for thousands of years. And yes i do belive that you need to consider the history and beliefs of the people involved in the conflict to find way to resolve it.
WTF judaism isn t an ethnicity its a fucking religion,you have more ties to mars then to the land of palastine, and btw I hate to break this to you but you are also not a semite, the only anti-semitic thing I v seen in my life time is what the zionists are doing to the acual semites wich are the palastinians.
why jews who also lived in israel longer shouldn't have at the very least the same right to the land as their arab nieghbors?
+Loke .x idiotic response. Go take a shit, release the built up pressure and recheck the facts, dummy.
This video needs to be shown to everyone. Very truthful. Great job.
This is brilliant... I learned a great deal here and I am watching your other videos and subscribed :)
Nice use of Metal Gear solid 2 menu music as background by the way. Anyways this is a nice report.
Amazing Video!!!
Thank you for your work on this. Some good information there.
Great video, and it's crazy with all of that info it still barely scratches the surface.
Very interesting!!!!
Thank you.
Absolutely brilliant
One of best video i ever watched.. it explains a lot plz keep it up.
This is the most informative video about this subject ever!
It´s nice to see some neutral information for a change, great work!!!
your a young guy ! where you get all this good information ?you suppose to have gray hair
Thank you for explaining the historical context. This is a very important video, especially for everyone outside of the region. This is an example of why context is important as well as relaying information - then people can understand why current conflicts came about. Thanks again.
As a Palestinian I just wanted to thank you for your in-depth presentation, you broke it down perfectly.
Thank you!
Salam
my father said to me that any empire that becomes the strongest will occupy Palastain because of the strategic site it has
it is the gate way between Asia Africa and europe
+laith saleem no it isn’t
tell me how it isn't ????
istanbul is the gate way between Europe and Asia. That's why there are fights over it. Palestine may be the gateway between Africa and Asia.
i'm pretty sure Egypt owns the Suez canal and there is more than one passage to India
Suez is only the shortest
nowaydays Suez isnt the shortes but the Arctic passage is
Very well thought out & succinct
top notch unbiased better than all the news sites combined well done mate.
This will be a pretty long argument explaining the history of the region and the origins of the conflict. My thoughts are summed up at the end of the comment, so if you don't want to read the entire thing and are only interested in the conclusion just go ahead and skip to the final segment.
Israel's transition from a 'region' to a 'state'.
Modern day Israel is a region (historically referred to as Israel, Judea, Palestine, Canaan, Trans-Jordan) which was conquered centuries ago and hasn't been properly defined during it's occupation(s) and border changes. Due to it's geographic strategic significance, it was conquered and re-populated many times The Romans conquered the Israelites, and some time later expelled them from their lands which eventually led to other peoples (Arabs in this case) populating it and changing the demography. This land later became part of the Ottoman Empire which collapsed and was divided into 'mandates' not 'country-states' in 1918. The traditional Jews/Israelites had already began to re-populate the region in an attempt to retake it on demographic claims by the 1880's, but after the conclusion of WWII they were given the land by major political influence's due to the belief that the Jews should have a country-state to call their own, given the clear issues that had arisen during the Holocaust. The reason the location of modern day Israel was chosen is because it roughly coincides with the ancient Kingdoms of Judea and Israel which was established in 1312 B.C. This, in my opinion, resembles the re-constitution of the country-state of Poland, which originally was formed in the 900's and existed until the mid 1700's before being partitioned by the Empires of Russia, Austria and Prussia. Like Israel, Poland was also a form of buffer zone between great powers. In this case the population of ethnic poles still existed within the 3 empires, but were considerably dispersed due to numerous re-locations, both forced and voluntary. They were also mingled with many other ethnic groups which didn't have a particular state of their own such as Cossacks, Tatars and Ukrainians. The Poles held dominance over some major urban areas such as Lvov and Stanislaviv, Brest and Vilno within the region of Galicia, Volhynia, Podolia and Belarus, though the rural farmland was populated by other ethnic groups. Eventually, after WWI saw the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire Poland saw independence and a series of smaller wars over territorial claims led to the formation of the Second Polish Republic, which was significantly larger from the autonomous Poland first created by the great powers. This in many ways is similar to what happened with Israel in 1948; it was given autonomy from Britain by the United Nations, but then due to a series of disputes with the local Arab population and some military action Israel expanded into a considerably larger state from 1949-1967. To end this segment, I want to summarize that a 'region' is hardly ever mono-ethnic, especially after so many years of evolution. Creating a 'state' out of a 'region' will most likely always lead to conflict, especially if the change is sudden and only one ethnic/cultural group is given the power to govern.
Political and Demographic History in the region.
The area encompassing modern day Israel is most commonly referred to as the land of Canaan during the early ages of antiquity. It is the 'promised land' referred to by Abraham, who's descendants formed the Nomadic tribes known as the Hebrews. At the time the Hebrews were making their way through what is now Northern/Central Egypt, often falling prey to the Egyptian military, being captured for use as slaves. During the time of Moses, the Hebrews were liberated from slavery and made their way to the land of Canaan, which was at the time a conquered Egyptian Colony. The Hebrews formed two Kingdoms within the land of Canaan; Israel and Judea. This was roughly 2000 years before Islam came into existance. I won't go too much into history of who controlled the region because it fluctuated greatly over the 3,500 years since Hebrew tribes came to dominate the area; what I can say is that this is the only area which was settled by Hebrews in which they created a legitimate state, built their own cities (most notably Jerusalem) and established their Holy places. Since prior to this the Hebrews were a Nomadic tribe, whatever previous lands they settled have since been vacated and come under jurisdiction of other Kingdoms and Empires. As for modern day 'Palestians', their names originates from the since extinct Aegean tribe the ''Philistines' which once populated the North-Eastern parts of Egypt later to be conquered by Arabs. The name 'Palestine' was first given to Israel and Judea after the Romans had conquered the Jewish Kingdoms, in attempt to humiliate and essentially delegitimize the existence of the Jewish Nation due to a series of Jewish uprisings against Roman rule. This also happened as a result of the spread of Christianity throughout the Roman Empire, which resented the Jews for their role in the crucification of Jesus, eventually leading to the exile of Jews in roughly 70 A.D. A large percentage of Jews fled Israel, by then ''Palaestina', and spread out across the Roman Empire. It is important to note that 'Palestine' was never an autonomous country ruled by 'Palestinians'; it started off as a region of the Roman Empire and finally was resurrected as a 'mandate' of the British Empire after being part of the region 'Syria' under the Ottoman Empire for centuries. This plays a crucial role in the understanding of what it means to be 'Palestinian', because contrary to what many people may think, it was never a term used to refer to a specific ethnicity or tribe, but rather whomever was living in the region of Palestine during the time it was occupied by British from 1920-1948, or the Romans previous to that; whether they be Jew, Arab, Kurd or Persian ect. The people that today identify themselves as Palestinians are essentially Arab refugee's which havn't officially taken up the name 'Palestinian' until the late 1960's. This, in essence, is an inaccurate reference, because we have commonly associated the term 'Palestinian' with the indigenous Arab population in the region, and completely leave out the indigenous Jews that have been living there for centuries. Also, an estimated 68% of Arabs living in Palestine left voluntarily due to urging by other Arab states which had promised to invade Israel and eradicate the population, stating that an Arab presence in Israel would only get in the way of their plans. This is also similar to the border changes of Poland, Germany and USSR in 1945, during which many Poles from Galacia and Podolia moved to Silesia, while Silesian, Pomeranian and Prussian Germans left for areas in mainland Germany such as Frankfurt and Brandenburg. My points in essence for this segment are that the Hebrews/Jews established a Kingdom of Israel and Judea in the region long before the descendants of Arab-Palestinians ever migrated to the region, and centuries before Islam was even born, which is another major catalyst for tensions in the area. Also, the land swaps and population re-locations were relatively peaceful and encouraged by other Arab states... given, it was on the pretext that Israel would be eradicated, though as history shows us that plan did not work out. Israel won all the wars of aggression launched by it's neighbors and gained land through the process.
Modern Politics
As you may have noticed, Israel is in a position of geographic military significance. It lies dead in the middle of the Middle-East, and is the only country which has stable ties to the Western Allies. Some countries such as Saudi Arabia also co-operate with the west, but the extent to which they are useful allies in case a conflict breaks out really depends on the nature of the situation. Israel, on the other hand, is a potential staging point for a large-scale UN/US invasion of any Middle-Eastern country as well as the caucuses of Russia. The modern dilemma boils down to Russia and it's allies controlling countries like Syria and Iran, the US controlling Israel and Saudi Arabia trying to appease both superpowers in order to cement further control in the region. I think Egypt and Syria aren't truly contenders anymore seeing as both their governments have collapsed and are devolving to anarchy. This goes back to the notion that Israel is a strategically important point, not only for the Middle-East, but for the balance of power across the entire world. That is why Israel continues to gain support from the US. The existence of Palestine is beneficial to Russia, which wants to remove US presence from the region, and also lines up with the goals of radical Islamic groups seeking to form a multi-national Islamic state; for example ISIS. So when you look at it, the existence of Israel and Palestine really comes down to the power struggle between the Western and Eastern Superpowers... and the Eastern powers have a really poor track record of instituting Democratic values and Human rights, as can be seen by examples of Russia, China and areas controlled by radical Islamic groups.
The question of Legitimacy; Demographics vs History vs International Law vs Military
The most dominant factors in deciding the legitimacy of a country and it's territorial claims come down to these four things. First of all, we need to consider the demographics; who lives there? Modern day Israel is populated 75% by Jews, and only 20% by Arabs. (not all of which identify as 'Palestinians') By these statistics alone you can tell that those wishing to create a single state of Palestine are an absolute minority. The only reasonable argument they could make in this case is an appeal to history, saying that the population of the region used to be predominantly Arab, but then we run into some major problems; first of all, what time period are you referring to? Historically speaking, the population diversity of the region fluctuated, both naturally and due to organized political movements. The largest decrease in the Islamic Arab population was due to a voluntary migration, and if worst came to worst the argument could be made that the Jews were expelled from their lands the same way some Arabs were expelled. It was a time of major crisis during which many borders shifted any many people were relocated in an attempt to prevent any further conflicts and genocides. In terms of international Law, the UN recognized the legitimacy of Israel in 1948, and the state of Israel didn't start any wars of aggression to gain territory. All territorial gains were strictly a result from defensive maneuvers, and even though the UN officially supports the 1967 borders that is not something most Palestinians are willing to accept either way. Giving land back to Palestine while it continues to advocate the complete and total eradication of Israel would be strategic suicide, and therefore from a military-defense perspective it's not even a plausible option. Finally, Israel has one of the most advanced and well trained capable militaries in the world, which is perfectly capable of defending it's borders and protecting it's citizens as demonstrated by the 6 day war and a number of other skirmishes. 'Palestine' doesn't have a capable military and has no means of protecting it's citizens or controlling the borders of the territory it is currently laying claim to, largely relying on terrorist organizations like HAMAS for support, which are essentially criminals that the government of Palestine has no control over. Palestine for all intents and purposes is a failed state which cannot offer security to it's own citizens, let alone the entire country of Israel, which has a significant population that is despised by all it's neighbors.
Conclusion/Rant
I personally believe that Jews have a larger claim to Israel than do Arabs; both started off as nomadic tribes wandering the deserts, and the Arabs have populated and civilized a considerably larger area of the region. The first lands in which the Hebrew tribes established themselves as Kingdoms are Israel and Judea, during a period when those lands were a poorly claimed Egyptian Colony. They built all the settlements that survive there to this day, and the height of their civilization revolves around those lands. More importantly, they are a much smaller tribe which have historically been mistreated by larger tribes like the Arabs and not given the opportunity to thrive autonomously for centuries. Israel is a small strip of coastal land which only really encompasses the epicenter of Hebrew culture. From an ethical and historical perspective, I would argue that the Jews have claim to those lands more than any other nation does. Jews are not welcome in any Arab Islamic state, and if Palestine was to be given autonomous control over the lands of Israel I truly believe chaos and genocide would ensue. When the Jordanians held control over Jerusalem they did not allow Jews to worship in their Holy places, and the likelihood of Palestinians doing so is extremely low. More importantly, radical Islamist groups have grown rampant in the past decade, and frankly I think the idea of submitting the state of Israel and it's inhabitants to such imminent tyranny is preposterous. What most Palestinians want is a one state solution, which I don't see as a possibility. I am also against the dismantling of the state of Israel seeing as 'Palestinians' are essentially Arabs which differ little from most Jordanians and Syrians; giving them more land seems unnecessary. The modern country of Palestine fail at controlling the terrorist organization HAMAS, and in many cases they rely on them to pressure Israel into surrendering. They use human shields and set up rocket warehouses underneath hospitals. They bomb weddings and send rockets flying into Israeli residential areas. How are these people any different from Al Qaeda or ISIS? Islam is not a religion that is compatible with peace if you are to follow the Koran word for word, and many extremists living in Islamic countries do. So what if the majority of Muslims don't engage in this kind of activity? Those average citizens that aren't extreme don't hold much power in most of Middle-Eastern society, and Shariah Law has made it's way to the executive and institutional level in many cases. Israel is the last beacon of hope for democracy, equality, human rights, freedom of speech and reason in the Middle-East, and I'll be damned if I ever stop supporting it. Let's take a stance of realism when approaching this situation... Israel needs to exist to protect the Jewish majority living there. There is a limit to the lands they can cede to Palestine before they become strategically vulnerable.. and the Palestinians aren't interested in a two state solution. What Israel has offered the Palestinians is a viable and generous offer, which is proportional to their current situation and political power. Any rationally acting nation would take it... restoring the old Palestine is an impossible fantasy, one which doesn't work out favorably for anyone but resentful nationalists and Islamic extremists.
Emma Dewitt Good job!, its funny how the antisemites haven't commented under this yet😂
Emma Dewitt, well written and thought out! You should have your own channel on the subject, or blog!
You just wrote a novel to proof you understand that you dont understand anything about mid east history. The region was not repopulated over and over again majority-wise, it changed identity and labels. The only major repopulation we know the exact extent for sure was the immigration of european jews by expelling the natives of the region.
"The History of the Middle East Conflict in 11 Minutes"
This one is informative as well...
Well presented. You gave a very concise but precise information with regard to what it´s really going on this small piece of land. And history plays an important role in all of this. Thank you.
Brilliant presentation...thanks. Much of this history and politics is not often discussed. It is good to have this background information.
Outstanding report. I have always had the feeling that the Arab leaders’ professed concern for the Palestinian people was disingenuous. Now I understand why.
FINALLY SOMOEONE TELLING THE TRUTH GOOD JOB CASPIANREPORT
brilliant. This video has done a better job in 10 minutes than most of documentaries and books
So well put together. All that in 10 minutes is astounding. Refreshingly dispassionate, fact-based, and lacking in bloviation, vitriiole. Never had a better understanding. Bravo!
U should do a video on the arab refugee's and how they are treated in arab lands.
Imagine if there were no Jews or Muslims, no Israelis or Palestinians, no Hebrews or Philistines, but only human beings. When enough people on all sides of this conflict see things this way, the conflict will end. Not until then.
Then people would hate each other because of skin color, or eyes, or hair, or size, or freckles, or food, or anything at all. Healthy Faith stops that, but of courses people wont let it always be healthy, way to much money and power in hate, and lots of people are very easy to manipulate so a few can get wealthy and powerful from all kinds of fear and hate. For some reason, people find it hard to say Why and No. Imagine de John Lennon, I was around when that came out and I already had learned about what I said. Now I need to add AIPAC, to the list.
That's a weird statement. So i , as a Jew need to cease to exist in order for there to be peace? How about we coexist instead of extinguish difference
darkforestzero No, you seem to have misunderstood. The idea is not to cease to exist, nor to stop BEING a Jew, but to stop being IDENTIFIED by the world AS a Jew. Have a look at my reply, if you can find it.
Donald Kronos so, you're saying hide who you are. Why don't you stop being identified as a man or an american? We are from different cultures. I shouldn't have to pretend I'm something I'm not, if I'm not hurting anyone else, just to be safe.
***** Being Jewish has nothing to do with Nationalism. It's my genetic heritage. I'm confident I can recognize and be proud of my heritage AND live peacefully with different types of people. Making one culture to rule them all is not a realistic solution
Thanks for putting that together. good job.
Very informative thanks Caspian.
I very much appreciate this presentation of the conflicting desires of the states surrounding Palestine and how this motivates these states concerning the division of lands in the area of Palestine. A comment early in this video refers to the absentee landlords who sold land in Palestine to Zionist entities and how this contributed to the tensions between Arabs and Jews. In reading "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness" by Rashid Khalidi he tells of the unintended consequences of the Ottoman Land Code of 1858 which resulted in the loss of title by the local Palestinian farmers to these "absentee landlords" and the subsequent rearrangement of the lives of the Palestinians from small landholders to tenant farmers. The book also tells how the initial sale of the land to the Zionists in the 1880's did not engender resentment because the Zionists kept the Palestinian farmers on the land and the Palestinians simply regarded them as the new landlords, but that the trouble began in the 1900's when the Zionists started evicting the Palestinian farmers in preference to Jewish settlers. To the Jews this was land acquired legally through purchase. To the Palestinians this was dispossession from lands that their families had "owned" for hundreds of years. This is a story to which any Irishman can easily relate and explains how two narratives can both be right but at complete odds. I would love to see a presentation about this entire process and the location and amount of land involved.
I mean, on the merit of time spent on the land, you are basically agreeing that British settlers in the North have an equal right to stay and, if they choose, have an autonomous state of their own as this is, essentially, what Palestinian Arabs want i.e. the land their forefathers conquered. The original natives of the land, the Jewish people, were cast out through colonialism and the whole region is mainly occupied by Arabs due to colonialism so I find it funny how it’s spun that the Jewish settlers are the apparent colonialists. This isn’t me saying Palestinian Arabs don’t deserve rights or their own state, by the way. My view of the world is every ethnicity, organic or manufactured, deserves equal rights and safety on the land they live on. However, I’m not oblivious to the realities of geopolitics and the cold hard fact is if you cannot defend the land you claim for your group, it won’t be yours for very long.
Great. Let's skip WW1, and immidately blame the Brits. Cool.
Yea, lets not talk about all the shit the Ottoman empire did in that war, lets just pretend Britain was just attacking them for trade.
Good point ! Muslims never do anything wrong and their leadership is perfect !
j lang I was agreeing with you until you brought up muslims.
never have I ever witnessed such hate.
Julius Stewart Its not about Muslims. 1.8 million Muslims are citizens of Israel and are very successful in a Parliamentary democracy - its about Islam which is a political Ideology
J Lang I agree islam is bullshit but let's not forget that jews religion judiasm. It is one of the most evil book behind the bible.
An people actually take the talmud seriously
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
NICE, Good job man!
GREAT video. Too many videos on this topic push a bias - some subtle, some blatant. It's great to find a non-bias explanation where someone doesn't have an agenda to shove down our throats.
A modern world where adults evolve from children, there has got to be an answer.
And then they devolve.
In the end adults are just grown up children
outstanding, young man. concise, highly informative yet brief.
Great video, keep up the good work
Tuesday, May 28, 2013
Ali Wahab - Arab Muslim & Major in the IDF
Israel is the only country in the world where Arabs are free and at home. Everywhere else, Arab people have to choose: home and tyranny or exile and freedom. Not in Israel. Here, they get both. Here, they can be themselves with pride. That is Zionism. And that is something to celebrate.
Israel is the ONLY country in the Middle East that treats Arabs with dignity, fairness and equality. The only... one that grants them their basic, democratic rights. The Arab Spring has still not changed that reality.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Palestinian Arabs were made full citizens -- and have risen to become ministers in government, ambassadors, justices of the supreme court, leading scientists, businessmen, members of parliament, celebrities and military officers.
Surrounded by an ocean of Arab states, Israel is nonetheless the only country in the Middle East where Arab people are allowed to freely speak their mind and conscience. We didn't need an Arab Spring in Israel... Freedom of expression, religion, commerce, conscience... these are a given in Israel. That is why it thrives.
Israel is also the only country in the Middle East where minorities are protected -- both by law and the general attitude. It is the only place where it is OK to be different. And that is something for ALL Israelis -- Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, Bahais, Vietnamese, Circassians, everyone who together built the country up from nothing in 65 years -- to be very, very proud of.
You don't need perfection to be proud of something good. You don't need perfection to defend what is just and right.
It is no surprise that the haters of Israel accuse us of the crimes that THEY commit. It is no surprise that they choose their libels to obscur the real values of Israel: freedom, tolerance, equality, diversity. They think that by accusing Israel of Apartheid they can hide Israel's democracy and their own Apartheid. They think that by accusing us of racism they can hide Israel's immense diversity (by choice) and their own prejudices.
Well, they can't. Major Ala Wahib is just one proud reason why.
In the words of the prophet:
"You can fool some people sometime, but you can't fool all the people all of the time... and now you see the light, we're gonna stand up for our rights" -- Bob Marley, citing King Solomon.
The Ottoman´s had a huge part of the Middle East. They lost in WW1.The Jewish State draws it´s legal existence from the San Remo Agreement in 1920.
The agreement from 1916 was was gone, as all prior agreements before the San Remo conference. Instead the Balfour Declaration was recognised and incorporated in international law. The San Remo agreement was included in the Treaty of Sèvre and confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations in 1922 and the UN. The San Remo Agreement is the only legal document and most people do not mention that...
Loved actually seeing you.
Great veopolitical analysis!
Even helps me understand a bit more the difficulties of the leaders in the way for peace
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for telling the story as is .
Yes you can also blame the ARABS DIC.tators for the unrest in the area .
only a few mistakes, but this video was actually pretty good.
Very throughout. Good job summarizing the conflict. First unbiased video that I have ever seen on the conflict!!!!
Another great report...
thank you for this unbiased review of the conflict. one thing you forgot to mention (at least not directly) is that there was no "palestinian people" before the establishment of israel, they were simply called arabs.
This is basically what the video is all about? How pre WWI the population on the arab peninsula were simply reffered to "arabs", if not by their clan affiliations or religious affiliations... And not "Lebanese", "Jordanian", "Iraqi" or "Palestinian".
This is a great video to show how Zionist propaganda twists realities with lies for their agenda.
- Sure there were no palestinian national identity before 1900s, but neither was there a Lebanese, Jordanian or Iraqi national identity... or Israeli for that matter. But the people of what CAME TO BE and make up these nations existed (including the european jews) and lived there (excluding the european jews), and moved freely in the land, just as natural as a New Yorker suddenly decides to move to Miami and still be "a fellow american" in the new place....
@Y Zaher you're wrong, naming a region does not always correlate with naming the inhabitants of that region, let alone when done by a foreign invading power.
Don't believe me. Try to find a reference from any historical document to the term "palestinian people" before the 20th century.
Absurdly enough, the Jews were the first ones to refer to themselves as "Palestinians", while the Arabs rejected it until 1964 (with the establishment of the PLO), 16 years after the establishment of the modern state of Israel.
So the Israeli war of independence against Arab nations is pure fiction. It never made sense that they fought the Arab world and expanded throughout Palestine at the same time. This video is great on the Macro-history giving a greater picture of the different interests in the regent (except Palestinians). I would have thought Balfour declaration 1917 and the reasons behind it worth mentioning, albeit involves several theories. The temporary agreement between the then Prince Feisal and Weizmann selling Palestine for the crown of Arabia 1918 could be put in perspective. Furthermore, if Palestine was part of greater Syria, why refer Palestinians as more Jordanians than actual Syrians? More importantly not much mention of Palestine and Palestinians, just like Balfour who promised the land on behalf of the King of the UK oblivious to the wishes of indigenous people living in the land.
It actually makes perfect sense if you consider the simple fact that Israel annexed land after winning wars.
Let me give you an example: Konigsberg was the homeland of the Prussian people. Although it was located in Eastern Europe, it was considered fully ethnically German. This was for good reason - the people living there spoke German and were integral to the creation of the modern nation-state of Germany. Germany even got to keep this land as an exclave after World War 1, even with the harsh measures of the Treaty of Versailles. However, after World War 2, the Soviet Union annexed the land around the city of Konigsberg, expelled all the Germans who had lived there for centuries, imported Russian settlers, and renamed the region "Kalingrad". Although it was at one point the capital of Prussia, one of the most prominent German national groups prior to unification, nobody had any issue with their annexation and forced expulsion, because the Nazis were the bad guys.
+9Kbits The UN agreement to partition the British mandate of Palestine gave Israel 50% of the land and the Arabs living in Palestine 50% of the land. What most people don't understand is that the Jewish people accepted the terms of this agreement, but the Palestinians rejected it and, along with the entire Arab League, declared war on Israel one day after it declared independence from the British. Israel, against all odds, managed to win this war (the first time this had happened in over 2000 years), and in the process annexed some of land that had been assigned to the Arabs living in Palestine. Jordan, as mentioned in the video, took the West Bank, and Egypt took the Gaza Strip. This annexation was as legal as the USSR's annexation of Kalingrad - an aggressor broke an agreement and attacked them, and when they lost the war, part of their land was taken as a result.
+9Kbits After the end of the 1948 war, the Arab countries surrounding Israel expelled their Jewish populations, despite them having nothing to do with Zionism, and pretty much forced them to move to Israel. To this day, a majority of Israel's population is at least partially descended from the mizrahim - the Jewish Arabs who fled their countries in the wake of the 1948 war. Saying that Israel is a country comprised exclusively of European settlers is a lie of the highest degree possible - you are actively ignoring the demographic realities of the region and perpetuating lies that only create more tension and unrest in the region.
+9Kbits The Caspian report was very useful in giving perspective that solved a personal puzzle on the history of the region, divide and rule is key, but it seems very convenient to take what was declared by the Arab league and not look at who appointed them in Sykes Picot for their part in helping the British and French Empires rid of their ruling Ottoman Empire. The very British that made the Balfour declaration. in Egypt King Farouk, The Hashemite king in Jordan, Hashemite in Iraq, Saudis in the Arab peninsula and so on. The fact the Palestinian did not accept the partition was because they were dispossessed and thought they were standing before unbiased fair assembly, not knowing that the decision was made and they are on their own. The fact that Jordan took the West Bank and Egypt took Gaza was for show before their own people to secure their rule. the argument of the partition being refused looses ground when Israel refused direct talks in Switzerland in early 1950s. Israel served a strategic interest for many of those Arab kingdoms and was never under threat, until Nasser. Even Nasser advocated for the 1947 partition and after 1967 resolution advocated for the latter. But his revolution and ideology of unity and power to the people was too dangerous for the Arb Kingdoms and the west. The legend tells a heroic story of the 6 day war where Israel against the Arab world, and the might of Israel Crushed their armies in 6 days. Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Syria backed by Saudi Arabia. The snag with the story is that, when Egypt united with Syria, Jordan tried to Unite with Iraq as opposition. Why didn't Jordan join Nasser if they did not fear his effect in the Arab world? where was Jordan during the Suez war? what about the revolution in Yemen? we know now that Israel was involved. Why? it is an enemy? then we have the USS liberty incident on the 8th June 1967 where Israel Killed 34 US Navy men in cold blood and injured 171 blaming Egypt only to find out the truth but get away with it nevertheless. The US went on to say Israel is a strategic asset to the USA, (and followed by about 40 vetoes along the years), why? because, any sanctions would have disturbed the balance of powers during the war and subsequently affect the outcome. Nasser's legend would spread like wild fire, revolutions will follow. More importantly Nasser who was backed by the Soviets amidst the cold war could be a strong foothold in the Middle East. Nasser had to go at any expense despite the fact he was not Communist, and sure Jordan and Saudi was not going to help him. The British and French hated him for the Suez humiliation, their power was waning but became members of NAO and for the Americans they saw danger to their interests in the region. remember who instigated the war and how it ended. So don't tell me the Arab league. It is all dirty politics, you can see how Israel preserved that strategic importance, after 1967 they played on the cold war, after the collapse of the Soviet Union it, all sight went to Iraq. Then 911 and the war on terror Israel's interests were best served by the tragedy and after the collapse of Iraq it was the Iranian Nuclear threat and now it includes Syria that conveniently keeping Hezbollah busy. In every point of history Israel's enemy constituted a threat one way or another to the major Arab Kingdoms. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Palestinians don't serve that strategic interest, that's why Israel can do anything, and getting balder and balder and more arrogant, they are backed by the US money, arms, veto and House of Representatives and US allies Saudi Arabia and others. Meanwhile, it doesn't look 2016 will be any brighter racism and xenophobia is spreading in Israel but as a result of the wars and refugee crisis it is spreading all over the world. Peace become a clichés waving it in every turn, but it is masking a very dark reality where demanding equality seems a far fetched idea where any form peaceful expression is tagged with anti-Semitism, terror or sponsoring terror or dismissed as religiously motivated. If we start with equality, even that seems too dangerous to those who believe in the demographic threat. Divide and rule works, but for how long? I'd like to say hope , but in Saudi Arabia a cleric got executed for that sentiment and we haven't heard the end of that, as it remains to be unfolded before us and Israel's record does not hold any higher morality nor in the West, even the war on Libya is exposed after H. Clinton's emails so we know it wasn't about tyranny or dictatorships. It is not about religion, it is not a holly war. People without any difference to race, colour, religion or creed have a right to life, dignity and equality is that too much to ask?
+9Kbits "an aggressor broke an agreement" They can't have broken an agreement they never made in the first place. It's right there, the Palestinian Arabs never agreed to it, and I've never seen a source stating they would have agreed to split the land 50-50. You can't break an agreement you never made.
Very informative. Thank you.
Best analysis so far!
God bless shirvan!
I must say, this video is very clarifiant and very near of the "true Palestine" who, I think, never existed and never will (as this video show). Very Good, even 5 years after his release.
Man the animations came a long way. Amazing to see an older video
Extremely informative and objective. Thank you very much for this video
Yep had nothing to do with the Ottoman empire being allied with the Germans during WW1 and then loosing. How many rights did the Palestinians have under the Ottoman's oh that's right none.
Sorry I'm ignorant on all of this, were the Palenstinians jewish at the time or majority muslims? Does anyone have an unbiased link of what's going on? I'm so confused I keep hearing opposite stories from one to another. I don't know who is right or is wrong lol. I'm Atheist so I don't have a 'biased' of any sort, just confused. Most of my friends are muslim so they keep saying they've had injustice in Palestine and gaza needs to be freed, and my jewish friends are saying they're being attacked and finally decided to defend themselves.
CalmlyBreathe I know exactly what your feeling. Looking at what sites I was able to find it seems that both sides are in the wrong to some extent or the other. Both have reasonable voices and both have extremists. Looking at the history it seems that many of the Muslim leaders have made a conscious decision to ensure Palestinian suffering is continued so they can point to it and say look how terrible the Jews are. By the same token when Israel was set up and the Palestinians were moved off what had been their land millions of Jewish people were kicked out of their homes all across the Middle East, They were accepted into Israel rehomed and are now just another part of the community. From looking at historical speeches Israel has offered peace on terms to be decided quite a few times but the Palestinians have walked away from the negotiations every time. Lastly The Muslim leaders have been fairly consistent in saying that they want all of Israel pushed into the sea and the people wiped out. There doe's not seem to be anybody who is blameless and I don't know the answer.
The majority over 85% were muslims. Also the jews there were arab jews. Actually New Hebrew is a more or less invented language no native actually spoke that.
ThisIsMyRealName I agree, what Israel is doing is terrible and should be condemned. My original comment was in regards to the video.
Refer to my Family's name with regards to the rights Palestinians had under ottoman rule.
@CaspianReport
You mentioned that Lebanon never before existed as s sovereign state before the sykes picot agreement. Did Palestine exist before the agreement?
No it did not. "Palestine" was the name of a Roman Province. It was changed from "Judea" after the Romans finally crashed the last Jewish rebels in 70-73 AD. Only a Jewish state - in some form or another - existed in that area independently prior to Roman (and other empires) occupation. The Jewish state / existence in this land dates back to 1230BC, approx.
Wonderful explanation!!!
Thanks for the insightful review on the conflict
today arabs childrens are paying price of there betrayal to the TÜRKS and broke own ottoman empire I dont feel sorry for them
Hi. This is an amazing video, but not entirely correct.
Sykes - Picot agreement was nullified in San Remo Conference 1920.
Mainly because secret agreements were banned. Also, you cant legally divide a land that doesnt belong to you.
In the same San Remo Conference the Land of The Jews was defined based on the Bible and the Kingdoms of the Jews. Which later was violated by both Britain and France, who have reduced the size of Israel by 80%.
More information: It was stated in the video that Egypt claims Israel for itself. Its incorrect. Egypt never did so. And even when Egypt had control over Gaza it has never referred to it as an Egyptian land unlike Jordan did with Judea.
Keda_P "violated" lol
chiiiingy Why do you say "LOL" ?
*Article 5 of the mandate of Palestine* :
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that *no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.*
Map of Palestine :
www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/1920-mandate_for_palestine.jpg
Keda_P That avatar.
You have some agenda don't you? Not very convincing.
Jame Gumb my agenda is to follow the international law. Same agenda that the UN should have. At least thats what their charter states.
Informative, thanks. To sum it up: It's very complicated.
Your videos are so good.
Terrorists and states negotiate differently. Terrorists escalate a conflict to achieve leverage for their latest demand. They don't seek a final settlement. There can be no final settlement because that would mean the end of terror.
Arafat and Abbas always negotiated the same way. They arrived prepared to disrupt the negotiating session at a crucial moment. The "peace process" was their hostage and they always hijacked it and began issuing demands. It's no surprise that the same thing happened yet again.
Here the Palestinians wanted a blank cheque. Making no concessions, refusing to recognise Israel as a Jewish state, refusing to comply with Kerry's framework, threatening to leave negotiations as soon as the final batch of prisoners were released etc., etc.. Israel just wanted an assurance from them that the final release of prisoners wouldn't be in vain, that negotiations would continue, but the Palestinians made no assurances. Petty, malicious, yes. But not from Israel. The Palestinians demonstrate their true colours by celebrating the murderous acts of these prisoners, naming events and places in their honour, inciting their youth to treat them as role models, and using foreign aid to pay their salaries when in custody. Then they blame everyone except themselves when things go pair-shaped.
Dear Caspian Report, you praiseworthly shared a mass of knowledge and notions about history and facts; well done; just, you scantly avoided to enter into the religious believes of the Isarelits and of the Muslims respectively, which conditioned and are conditioning their choices, and constitute the primary reason for the ongoing conflict;
Great video!
Caspian ...you are doing good job...keep this up
Great video. Best one I've seen. My hopes rest on Israel starting to reward good behavior as readily as they punish bad behavior and Hamas realizing that Palestine needs them as humanitarians as well as, if not more than, freedom fighters. I don't necessarily think either of these things will happen but this is the direction my prayers go in the main things I see needing to change for peace.
roye gabrialy They discontinued the use of that. I still don't like Hamas though. I'm a big Abbas fan actually, I like his ability to balance populism and international diplomacy. I find it very impressive.
roye gabrialy Well shoot, I can't know for sure but he seemed ok. Who do you think is a good Palestinian nationalist to support?