Ultimate Dana 30! Steering, Brakes and Axle Shafts! - Episode 3
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- It's time to finish our Ultimate Dana 30 build! If you missed the 2nd episode it was on the Muddy Beards 4x4 UA-cam channel. Episode 1 and 3 (this video) are available on our channel.
In this episode we button up our breaks, steering, track bar, and install our 30 spline RCV axle shafts. Our WJ knuckles, rotors and calipers are from a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. We chose the smaller (teaves) calipers due to my brothers 15" rim. The 2003 Grand Cherokee calipers are larger and will need a 16" rim or a larger offset.
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#ultimatedana30 #dana30 #rcv
This is literally the best channel on UA-cam for all types of technical knowledge on 4x4 and fabrication
Thank you! I appreciate it!
For real! I just started looking at building something a couple weeks ago and I'm probably 6 hours deep in content from this channel alone.
Nate & others attempting the WJ knuckle swap: Use an '02 Ford Explorer Sport Trac rotor, correct offset and bolt pattern. Saves a step if you're buyin new rotors anyway.
Jonaathan Simons Came here to say this. Glad someone else knows this as well!
4WD or RWD Sport Trac? Looks like they have different numbers.
thats awesome! much better than drilling rotors
@@tomschuh6301 2nd this question. Got any answers yet?
@@jeepersoutpost1150 Nope. I just went with WJ rotors and drilled them.
This is seriously the best axle video on these Jeeps I've ever seen thank you Nate 🤘😎.
Coming at you from the future. Your skills and channel will have grown tremendously in 5 years! Well done.
I love the content on this channel. In the last couple years it was discovered that 2002 explorer sport trac rotors fit the WJ conversion without drilling.
I enjoyed the video. I get so tired of hearing people say “tons, tons, TONS!” when most of them aren’t even ‘wheeling hard enough to break stock axles.
Thanks! I have the same opinion. One tons have a time and a place but most people don't need them👍
Not only that, depending on your rig, 1 ton axles will make it harder to flex, and you will loose ground clearance because the differential housing hangs lower from the larger ring gear. Unless you are running massive tires, like 40"+, dana 30 with some truss and beefing up will do most people fine.
I agree, but part of the fun is building your rig. Just depends on the type of person and their priorities.
I ran drilled WJ rotors on a HP Dana 30 in a 1998 XJ for over 100K miles. I had no issues with cracking. I used an XJ wheel bearing as a jig to drill the WJ rotors. I dissembled the wheel bearing with a press, drilled two 5/8" holes on 5 on 5" bolt pattern and bolted to the WJ rotor with 5/8" studs. I then drilled through the XJ wheel bearing holes with a 5/8" bit to make the 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern. I saved my "jig kit" to easily drill new replacement rotors.
In 2015 I fully built a dana 30 and Ford 8.8 and it cost a lot to do it right. I'm running 37s in a super lightweight YJ. RcV shafts were out of my price range so I opted for g2 chromoly shafts. I'm also running true trac instead of locker again to save money and keep things from breaking. I wish I trussed it but I did not.
Very good. The reasoning is sound and well explained , and I really appreciate the cost rundown. Keep up the good work.😊
Thank you!
You forgot one thing when adding up your costs. Time.
Your time is worth money, if you are having to build the whole thing your looking at alot of hours to do everything in your series on this. Add that to the mix and your looking at well over 6thou for the dana 30.
Really cool series amd love the vids! Keep em up bro 👍
Josef Berns that's a good point but the best apples to apples comparison is to not include the time price because it will be different for a lot of people.
HI Nate, It's quite a bit to put together for your viewers so thanks for all this effort. Honestly, I made my xj a very similar way in february this year. A "built" HP30 and a "built" 8.8 combo. I have been testing the 30 since then without any locker. We'll see how she handles 35"s in long term and in different terrain. Anyway, not a bad setup at all, I'm quite happy so far. I would be less cautious with a 44 but at least it makes me stay away from the really stupid stuff. In regards to brakes, I was actually able to fit akebonos in and keep my sweet 15" alu's. I only had the use 1,25" spacers and they clear fine. Thanks again and keep on rolling :) Cheers, martin
You welcome brother! You can do alot in an xj on 35s 👍
I love how you just build everything you need as you need it.
Thanks brother 👍
@@DirtLifestyle how is this axle holding up 2 years on?
So what you are saying is it’s really nice to have you as a brother because if you have to buy and get someone to build an axle it’s really expensive
Lol pretty much
Here is an odd one for you, I have a wrecked 86 Corvette with a Dana 44 with the independent suspension. I'm a crazy to think this would sweet in a 4x4 with better longer axle shafts, these are aluminum and it is a 4 speed car. Probably worth fixing but I'm really curious about this style Dana 44 for 4x4. Any input would be sweet. I have a 95 Tracker and might put the Corvette 350 and 4 speed Muncie with overdrive and that independent rear, maybe make it rear steer?? If possible. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Lol
This is a 1995 Geo Tracker and you plan to have an IFS D44 installed... sounds like a Sick ATV!
I don't have an ultimate dana 30, but I am pretty close. I have spent far less than the $4700 like the video. Here is what I have done and how much I paid:
4.10 gears and master install kit $180
lock right locker $90
Chromoly axle shafts $360
Artec truss with Johnny Joints $258
Solid diff cover $81
C-gussets $79
1 ton aluminum steering $412
Synergy Ball Joints $200
Grand Total: $1660
Awesome build Nate! I appreciate the details. I wish I had seen this before I built my D30.
Thanks buddy!
Have RCVs in my TJ Rubicon and that's about the only thing I haven't broken.
Awesome work and great info.. wish I could find a channel where people are doing this for an old world jeep..loving my cj7
After watching all 3 parts of your videos. I just purchased a Dana 30 High pinion that I'm going to build for my TJ. Thank you for the videos and helping me make my mind up!
i used an inner axle seal installed backwards as an outer axle seal on my 79 ford hp dana 44, works decent
Great video Nate 😊 would love to see a 8.8 rear diff cost and truss build. Also the process of building a custom truss and cost versus off the shelf truss kit. Just ideas for us newer guys 😊
Ford Sport Trac front rotors are the 5x4.5 bolt pattern and the same diameter of the wj rotor . Can also use mustang cobra calipers to fit a smaller wheel .
Cobra calipers from what year?
Like what you're doing. Wish I had a garage. Apartment car ports don't cut it. You have no idea how lucky you are. Good stuff guys.
Great video! It really helped me come to peace with upgrading my D30 for my 35s. I don't see the Amazon list anymore. I was looking for more information on the WJ knuckles and brake kit upgrade as well as the RCV and other parts to help me understand the costs of a rebuild today.
Doing a lot of building myself. Excellent video. Thanks from Snohomish WA.
That’s the best Dana 30 I have ever seen, love the steering set up on it
Thanks man! Definitely bullet proof on my bros TJ 👍
Could you run 37s on it??
@@mr.caceres305
If you have experience wheelin then yes , just can't hit everything wide open , and gotta know when let off or go neutral when tryin obstacles that u don't make on ur 1st shot , gotta b off gas and on brakes to stop wheel spin b4 jeep comes to a stop when sliding back down , that cause most breaks that I've seen , also I been runnin 37s on stock d30 except 4.88 yukon gears and arb locker , I n very near weeks I plan on doin c gussets, truss and ball joints , and 1 ton steering, cause I feel my steering joints wearing out and I'm positive ball joints r to. We do run places like windrock and adventure offroad park, hard trails , hp d30 r stronger than people put on
Just a note, Jeep actually had a big problem with the wj teves brake calipers. They were centered poorly and caused the rotors to warp. About midway through 2002 all grands got the updated akebono calipers to solve the warping issue. If you guys ever get bigger wheels might be good to swap the teves calipers out for the akebonos 👍
Definitely something we considered, and still will consider in the future!
@Troy Becker Just swap in a ford 8.8 with disks for about the same money as a disk conversion kit. I did mine for $583, including truss and diff cover with a set of spare shafts, new brakes included. :)
@Troy Becker But you still have the chrysler 8.25. :)
@Troy Becker I hear you. The 8.25 isn't a bad axle at all. Make sure to swap internals of your distribution block when you do the disk conversion. It greatly improves braking. It didn't cost me anything either and only took a minute to install!
The Bloomberg add at the beginning could def go away
Yj 4cy high pinion D30 cromo warn hubs with 36" swamper's. 4.88
I don't flog it serving me well. Thinking about sleeveing the tubes and a truss.
Great build I have enjoyed watching this.
The truss is a must! I'm not a fan of sleeves. They don't add the kind of strength a truss will provide. Not enough leverage. But it sounds like you have put together a sweet build! Light weight and low horsepower power is actually a great combo for automotive performance. Heavy rigs just don't handle as well 👍
That axle cost more than my XJ. 😂
Of course it did! 🤣
haha sounds about right ;) @@onetruebob_tj
Lol same
My Xj's axel cost more than your xj.
Lol, well my XJ was purchased for 1700, but I'm 10k into it now with the upgrades 😭
freaking awesome series Nate. I am hopefully heading down this road this winter. Maybe not as full blown as you went, but the 30 is plenty capable for the wheel size I want. Also if you break stuff easier to source.
Thanks man!
Nate,
Almost ready to rebuild my axles in my XJ. You answered pretty much all of my questions with this video! I'm leaning toward a similar Dana 30 build and a Ford 8.8 swap. Thanks again. You have a great channel.
I enjoyed the build videos . Thank you for your advice on my sport s build with the 5.7 HEMI and 3/4 ton axles that I already own .
Awesome! Happy to help 👍
Great video, always enjoy the new uploads.
One point that I learned myself, when you put bends on any kind of link one side needs to be non adjustable (Welded DIY sleeved bushing) to keep that link from twisting. On my one ton TJ I had to make a Z bend on the pan hard so on up travel the diff wouldn't hit it, I put heims on both ends just like you did but mine is a bend in a vertical orientation not in a horizontal so it cant really twist too much and its natural gravity state is the position its supposed to be in. I still regret that decision a little but it's seemed to hold up and not twist.
love what you are doing here.
on my 1984 cj-7
i had the tapers for the steering drilled from top down, bottom up on the pit-man arm. and re-tapered for 1/2 ton chevy parts. drag link is level. NO bump steer. no death wobble, runs tru down the hy. 4 1/2 in lift, 35 tires. added machined steel (NOT cast crap) tapers to put the steering back into correct castor, camber.
I need to use my jeep on the street. heim joints are not legal in ca.
D30 4:10.1 arb locker "supper" 30 axle shafts has larger u-joints. basically a D44 stuffed in a D30 housing. never failed me on the trail.
no talk about a hydraulic brake booster? factory parts just junk the vacuum booster get 1000 times better braking. but must get a better ps pump. and this gives you a ram to help work the steering.
Hi Nate , I really enjoyed this build series and I'm looking forward to your next video . Thank you for sharing . Until next time take care .
Thank you! Glad your still enjoying my content!
I still have my stock HP30 under my JK, running 37's. No locker or truss and I haven't broke it yet.
I killed a 30 on 35s. I then killed a rubicon 44 on those same BFG 35s. Now I’m ordering a pro rock 44 let’s see how it does.
@@charlesbickel4295 What do you do when an axle breaks on the trail?
Erik Clineschmidt try to rig it up enough to get off the trail. Or hope your buddy can drag it off.
@@charlesbickel4295 I recently swapped my hp30 for a Rubicon 44, and beefed the rear 44 axle up. Front and rear RCV shafts with Teraflex hubs running 39-13.5 BFG KM3's.
JeepJeep234 it’s probably fine if you don’t jump it. I go hard. It’s a toy.
Dude, loving the axle break down. Exactly what I needed to put things in perspective. I'm looking at upgrading my current stock axles 30/35 for my TJ rather than do a full swap to Dana 44s. Still pricey but I think it will be better regardless. Awesome stuff. Keep it up!
Excellent series Nate! You and Muddy Beard setup your brother nicely. He owes you both big time. 👊👍
Thanks man! I'll be moving soon so I'll get my time back one way or another lol! He is family, its what you do 👍
Great video of the cost. Don't think I will be spending that much. I do have the hi pinion Dana 30 stock except for a zone 3 in lift and 31" on stock wheels. Maybe one day.
JK D44 swapped under. Artek makes the conversation kit. Adds 5" width. But we are now talking about having to do both front and rear now.
I like the JK 44s for a swap! Wouldn't be practical in our situation unfortunately. His ford 8.8 is pretty well bullet proofed now so bailing on it wouldn't be beneficial lol. Not to mention the added costs of 5 new rims, no cheap high steer options and JK 44 axle parts are more than dana 30. But if we were starting from nothing I think the jk dana 44 axles are a great starting point! I recommend them all the time!
Excellent presentation makes me want to upgrade from my 1983 CJ-7 to a JK [I'm 3rd owner 70K miles California no rust stock everything except tires, bumpers]
I'm a day away from installing the same Artec Ind raised track bar mount with the same WJ knuckle set up and steering. My question is if the rig wound up with any bump steer issues with the drag link and pan hard being different lengths. I know you were confident this wouldn't happen... but i'm curious how everything shook out in the end?
Always enjoy you technically information and your creative editing.
Great video. Thanks for keeping it real with the pricing! -an XJ driver
One of the best youtube film I have ever watched,thank you
You can fit the akebono calipers with 15" rims, there are people that have done it on WJs. I think you need to grind off a small amount off of the caliper, but it is possible.
Love the video! Im pretty certain that the 2001 ford explorer sport trac actually have a rotor that will fit the wj calipers and knuckles with the tj lug pattern, it's something I've seen in a forum, just something to look into because you said you were skeptical on drilling rotors! Keep the awesome videos up man!
I believe your right! I had a hard time getting concrete info in time so we just drilled the rotors to match. Possible upgrade in the future if we have issues 👍
Mann Nate if you ever get to battleground give me some insight on my 88 xj you rock free camping on the south 40 with fire pit included your welcome brother
i agree this is the best video i have seen about the dana 30, and the list you provided is awesome. I have a dana 30 under the front of my 78 Toyota Wolverine. with a dana20 transfer case rolling on 33's with 4;88, what I have noticed it that my pumpkin is on the passenger side ? and every video iv seen it is different ! thank you for sharing
Who makes that raised track bar mount for the axle? I like that. Just remember folks, anything can break. Even RCVs. Had a buddy get throttle happy in his LJ and broke a D44 RCV stub with a 4.0 and 37s. Rev limiter and bouncing on rocks never ends well.
I saw the exact same scenario on top of potato salad hill in moab. This guy would throttle harder with wheel hop instead of backing off. 37s broke both front axle shaft on his dana 60 before he let us winch him off. Some lessons are hard learned 👍
First off the cinematography b-roll for the off-roading was great! I’m glad you are busting the myths of the Dana 30 being garbage and also the true cost of building quality parts for an off-road vehicle. Any chances for a contest to come work in the dirt lifestyle shop for a weekend? Asking for a friend 😆 keep up the great videos. They really have a ton of value for those who know what they are watching.
I've thought about this! I might do something in the future but my only concern is letting folks know where I live. I've had a couple creepy situations already so it makes it tought to trust bringing people to my house. I'm sure you understand! But I might still put something together in the future. Build a fan a bumper or something 👍
Dirt Lifestyle true that. Sometimes it’s easy to forget how weird some people can be.
@@adventureeverymile8135 😂 absolutely! Not sure if your local but I'll be putting together a meet n greet sooner than later. It would be cool to meet some of you guys 👍
Dirt Lifestyle unfortunately I’m a Florida boy and quite a ways away. But maybe when you guys are out at an event in Moab I can find my way out there 😆 I have really wanted to go wheel out west. It’s cool to do meet and greets to meet like minded people in the world of off-roading!
When you come back form the future, the shop has changed so much!
Thanks Nate… Very helpful on my Dana 30 build.
just found your channel the other day, been watching old ones and all the new ones. keep it up, your videos are not only very educational but the editing, music and cinematography is fantastic. i hope this channel grows huge! i like your dl flag shirt, might have to pick one up next pay.
Thank you! I put alot of work into these. As I grow as a teacher, photographer and editor I hope this channel will grow as well 👍
I love how detailed you are with your videos. Good job!!!
Nate- Honest opinion: My JKU, I’m mostly using it as a daily with off road days in New England, but not rock crawling. My gut reaction is just use chrome moly axles on the Dana 30 with front & rear gear driven limited slips. Will cost less than half of a Dana 44 front with a locker. Running 35” tires. I prefer not to break the shit out of it. I’m going to get a TJ to rebuild for that! Thoughts? Oh yeah......already trussed it.
Love your xj wj build I am going to put your xj build under my TJ but only mods I will do is track bar bracket and truss. Then build the rest in piece work as money permits.
Will I need to modify anything on the xj axle to bolt it on the TJ besides drive shaft and gearing.
Great video man, looks like imma build up my axle
Dude AWESOME!
Joe from Miami been in love with jeeps my whole life I finally was able to pick up a 2006 TJ 2.4 l 6 speed trail rated I've got the a Dana 30 in the front and Dana 35 in the back whatever advice you can give me I appreciate it and last but not least can I go to you when I'm ready to do that massive build on my Dana 30 hope to hear from you soon look us up when you're down here in Miami Florida will make sure you have a good time we'll do some swamping thanks
Your level of knowledge and skill is most impressive...For us normal folks, the cost of labor would (will) add substantially to this...(and in Canadian dollars too...Ouch!)
Great video and editing too...Thanks!
Drooling over that D30! Goals! ❤️🐞
I have a similar setup, without the RCV's, but I have chrolomolys. I have only spent about $1650.
Dude, I don't know how I've missed it, but you're freakin jacked. 💪🏼😂Love the video like always
Lol 😂👍
Don't know if someone mentioned it already but if you don't want to drill extra holes to the rotor you can use the one from a 2002 ford explorer.
Teves and Akebono are the same size. The difference is mounting bracket vs spring tensioner. People claim warping with teves but I’ve been running them for years with zero probs
Interesting. We had a set of both in the shop and the akebono calipers definitely looked like they had a bigger footprint. The teves barely clear as it is! About 1/16 away from touching the rim. Everybody keeps saying the teves aren't good but It never seems like it's from personal experience. Time will tell 👍
Very helpful with dana 30 axles and xjs!
I am using the Akebonon calipers on my xj swap with 15" wheels and have clearance, but they have 3.75" backspace, which I thinks makes a difference.
Awesome video man. Hope we get to see some more of the low buck diesel truck soon.
I wish! I've been invited to a pretty cool experience to wheel in a few different states with other folks in the industry! I'll be focusing most of my energy on getting the tj 100% ready for that for a the next month or two. Unfortunately, I won't be getting to the next lowbuck diesel truck until after that madness is over
@@DirtLifestyle no worries man. Burn out is a real thing, so don't do too much. Especially working a full time job and trying to make videos.
Nate, Because of this video series and how awesome you are at showing how to fabricate, I've Decided to tackle an Ultimate Dana 30 build. Im stuck on the steering and track bar. Getting the adjustable track bar mount, has me needing to fabricate a new track bar, where do you get your heim joints at?
Just a quick correction...the better calipers are on the '03-'04 GC. They are the Akebono ones with dual pistons!
Craig
you said Bung... haha. But seriously, great looking axle and should be a great set up for that Jeep.
Lol thanks buddy
I think I am going to stick with the swapping the D30 for a D44 plan.
Love your content. I have a 04 TJ , 87 MJ ,2000 XJ and two 78 CJ's one 5 and one 7
Let's Build 👍
Your help shows me the way . Thanks
Didn't think harborfreight bender could take dom thanks !
How well does the heim steering work on and off road? You should really do a video comparing heavy duty tie rod setup versus the big heims. I think its an issue discussed alot on forums and such but nobody has ever actually gave a comparison in driveability on and off road
Good info Nate. Thanks.
Being in Washington there is a ton of used parts to do a budget building on a dana 30. I got a hp dana 30 for 100$ almost brand new truetrac for 100$, a free dana 30 from a wj to steal the hubs off of. Rebuilding the brake calipers myself for less the 40$, 250$ for the pads, rotors, ball joint and hubs. Then 1400$ for axle trust, sleeves, 4.56 gears, rebuild kit and axle shafts.
Yes! Thanks for making videos. Cool stuff. 👍
Thank you buddy 👍
Thank you for a great and informative video...
This is the second time I've watched this series and I enjoyed it again. Two questions comes to mind though. One, what about the rear axle and two, which axle takes the most punishment when off roading/wheeling? I'm guessing because of being under power while steering, it would be the front axle. Thanks again for the great content. God bless and stay well.
We used a ford 8.8 rear axle in my brothers tj and the rear axle takes most of the weight when climbing. This is why it’s always a biger axle then the front. Since you need to use power to get up an obstacle, the rear will see more stress then the front. Coming down a difficult obstacle only requires braking, taking the load off of the internals. The rear needs to be stronger unless you drive up obstacles backwards lol. Thanks for watching brother! Happy to see you are enjoying the videos!
Another great video I really enjoyed the steering montage...keep it up Nate
Thanks man!
A Wagoneer D44 is easy to swap in.
Please help with info before I build up my D30 on a '05 TJ. THX!
Hey Nate - thoughts on ball joint for the 'ultimate' Dana 30? I could not find any info on this between parts 2/3...
Im looking to do a Toyota axles swap on my Disco! Correct width, both PS drop and the Yota axles are way stronger stock and have a bigger aftermarket than the Rover. 35's are the max on a built Rover axle.
I'm investigating the exact same thing! I've also been considering building a hybrid between Toyota 3rd and landrover housing with custom shafts. Honestly If I really enjoy the rover it might get tons. When this thing is in overlander form it's going to be super heavy and the extra durability if a 1ton could proof to be the most cost effective. Time will tell!
Another high quality production! Great job Nate!
Thanks!
Awesome video 👍 love the rcv axles
Thanks! We do too!
How does one apply for the “related to dirt lifestyle Nate” discount?? 😂 another great video keep it up (ik I’m like 8 months late on this video but quarantine is really making me want to pretend I’m doing Jeep stuff rn)
Amazing insights time and time again Nate. I found you through bleepin Jeep. SUB’D for sure
Thanks buddy 🤘 happy to have you aboard
Not a dana 30 fan but still a badass build 👍 keep the vids coming😎
Carman 2012 if my 30 looked like this I’d be happy
Got a quote for my 06 TJ (from 4 wheel parts) recently for front and rear G2 dana 44's. With their C.M axles and gears. Plus two LSD'S. Price was 3.5k to 4k a piece.
Add brakes, wj knuckles, steering, rcv axle shafts, selectable lockers and a truss kit. If your only looking at g2 axles from 4wp your missing alot of what it takes to swap a strong axle setup
Good 3 part series! Well done!
Are you planning on doing a hydro assist video? Your videos are in great detail.
I only make videos based on what I'm working on. If I have a project that needs hydro assist then I'll make a video but other wise I just film what I build. I'm sure it will come up at some point 👍
Been loving your videos Nate ! Curious on this build how and where did you mount the steering stabilizer ? Want to do the same truss and track bar bracket, but what about the stabilizer ?
Thanks for all the great info!
WJ is 99-04 and they're 5x5 bolt pattern. Also if you're going to use the brakes from a WJ, get the akebonos and not the teves.
Wont fit our application unfortunately like I said in the video. We only clear the teaves by about 1/16th of an inch 👍
What a badass build.
Thanks buddy!
Something that you didn't mention that I thought people should know if they don't know. RCV style axles are supposed to be able to be turned all the way in either direction and not lose any of its strength. A lot of people break the u joints that connect the axles to stub shaft, when they have their wheels turned too much and give it some gas. but I'm sure most people know that part.
It’s not just an informative video but an awesome one brotha. Can you run 37s on that build?
My only Jeep Fab Channel !
Great lookin axle