Ableton Auto Shift vs. Antares Auto-Tune Pro | Best Vocal Tuning Plugin

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  • Опубліковано 9 гру 2024

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  • @ashmidnyt
    @ashmidnyt Місяць тому +25

    I was actually playing around the other day with them both. Yes, Autoshift definitely introduces some artifacts. I'd say it has a "warm tape" feel to it - kind of liked that dirty sound at first, but quickly realized that it's not meant for every vocal use. Whereas, with Antares Autotune - it introduces a pleasant "Clean Tube" feel with every vocal performance.

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +5

      I agree, AutoTune cleanly tunes the vocal. AutoShift darkens & digitizes the sound with tuning. Unwanted artifacts & clicks don't happen to me as often using AutoTune Pro. However, AutoShift can definitely be useful for background vocals or things that don't need the presence of a modern pop lead vocal.

    • @ashmidnyt
      @ashmidnyt Місяць тому +5

      @ReidStefanMusic 100% correct. Im sure they will nail it with future updates.
      This got me thinking: Do a comparison between Logic Pitch Correction, FL Studio Pitcher and Autoshift. Then maybe a separate video between Logic Flex Pitch, FL Studio Newtone and Antares Graph Mode?

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  18 днів тому +1

      @@ashmidnytcomparing auto pitch correction plugins is easy, but comparing manual pitch correction softwares is somewhat of a waste of time, because the results will always favor whichever software you personally know best.

    • @ashmidnyt
      @ashmidnyt 18 днів тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic I think the goal here would be which one sounds more natural. 🙂
      I think we should collab on an afrobeat for Karra. I mean, I am from Africa after all. 😀

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  18 днів тому +1

      @@ashmidnyt in manual pitch correction plugins it takes extra time, experience, and practice to achieve “natural” sounding results. I know melodyne the best, so melodyne would have an unfair advantage in my tests

  • @PAZ1984
    @PAZ1984 13 днів тому +1

    thanks for the passion put in your work, a lot of effort deserves recognition. Probably many people does not see the video quality, the lightning, the audio, the pedagogy explaining, just professional and clearly made with love.

  • @pluginhoarder
    @pluginhoarder Місяць тому +5

    Stoked to have this for free in Live but honestly would probably never use it for anything other than tracking. It sounds so much less natural than most other tuners even waves tune realtime. Great video! ❤️🙏

  • @baytheproducer
    @baytheproducer Місяць тому +3

    I definitely noticed some artifacts during my tests too. I thought that might've just been me. Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't been relying on autoshift for most professional work but it's definitely been great to play around with. Great vid as always Reid!

  • @RXHMND
    @RXHMND Місяць тому +4

    love this puppet so much

  • @markkirschenmann3925
    @markkirschenmann3925 Місяць тому +2

    Very useful demonstration, thank you for posting!

  • @ChuckSilva
    @ChuckSilva Місяць тому +1

    The most creative puppet in the game for real!🔥

  • @M.W.777
    @M.W.777 Місяць тому

    Hit em wit da Sickness (that was sick) -- You're a Boss!!

  • @SpeedRacerx89
    @SpeedRacerx89 Місяць тому

    Even with its faults, still seems pretty impressive for a stock plug in. Great review.

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому

      @@SpeedRacerx89 I agree! It’s still the best vocal plugin in Ableton 🔥

  • @iamkarramusic
    @iamkarramusic Місяць тому +3

    I love auto-shift but auto-tune will forever be my sauce 💖

  • @jefgirdler7232
    @jefgirdler7232 12 днів тому +1

    I think AutoShift is a GREAT addition to allow you to at least get some tuning on demos and such if you don't yet own Antares. I'm betting with some eq and compression, in the context of a mix, you can get these as near as makes no difference to indistinguishable. I'd DEFINITELY prefer to have it rather than nothing at all.

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  9 днів тому +2

      It’s also useful when you don’t have your iLok for AutoTune Pro to open when you’re traveling

    • @jefgirdler7232
      @jefgirdler7232 7 днів тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic I didn't even think of that - I unfortunately have no iLok VST's to hassle with this

  • @evansnierenz
    @evansnierenz 2 дні тому

    Awesome I didnt realise ableton has that now ...thx 😀

  • @cosmicsimonmusic
    @cosmicsimonmusic Місяць тому

    The best intro eva, always

  • @papatoni3311
    @papatoni3311 Місяць тому +28

    ok ableton now give us stem separation or a bigger plugin open button

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +12

      Those are in my top 3 remaining feature requests too 🔥 my number one feature request is pre-punch recording so you can get back singing that happened before you pressed record too late like Pro Tools. Ableton already has background MIDI capture but no audio version

    • @theflo.loudnoiz
      @theflo.loudnoiz Місяць тому +1

      @@ReidStefanMusictbh I wouldn’t want my daw to listen to everything that happens in the studio :))

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +3

      @@theflo.loudnoizit’s only listening while the playback is going, and if you don’t punch record during playback that background recording file gets deleted immediately. It’s not like a surveillance camera

    • @tubeo94
      @tubeo94 Місяць тому +1

      Bro spitting facts

    • @Ultraskill23
      @Ultraskill23 Місяць тому +1

      @@ReidStefanMusic Freezing groups is my number one. These projects with 120 channels are too heavy for my PC.

  • @victornico
    @victornico Місяць тому +1

    How I’ve longed for the realest intro in the game

  • @joshuakalani590
    @joshuakalani590 Місяць тому

    auto shift sounds a bit raspy and dark while autotune is clear and has a nice top sheen so i'd have to add some highend air to brighten the vocals while using auto shift with something like fresh air. My use case would probably be layering harmonies with it or earlier in production.

  • @DanielMaruniak
    @DanielMaruniak Місяць тому +1

    Perhaps with envelope following eq auto shift could be made to sound more crisp ? Either way, the difference was noticeable.

  • @ed_ms
    @ed_ms Місяць тому

    The clarity and volume are better with the Antares, that's true, but for a free included stock plugin not bad at all.

  • @bboymac84
    @bboymac84 Місяць тому +5

    4:17 Billie Eilish bad guy effect…😅

  • @severusnare
    @severusnare Місяць тому

    Thanks for this video ❤

  • @yahwehschiefmuscian
    @yahwehschiefmuscian 7 днів тому

    what was that instrument/sound at 5:00 ?
    That plucking, string sound.

  • @hoossembechiri6136
    @hoossembechiri6136 Місяць тому

    Yaaaah finaly bro ....i was waiting for that fo long time ...u r the best with karra ....❤❤❤❤ U r the best ever ....so .....why u choose Ableton live as ur main daw ..over than other daws ...i wish u make a video about that soon olz ❤❤❤

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +3

      I like Ableton for the fun Stock plugins, making beats easily, and manipulating percussion loops with Beats warp Mode. I’m not the type of puppet to choose just 1 daw for everything tho 🔥

    • @hoossembechiri6136
      @hoossembechiri6136 Місяць тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic hh thnx boy u r the best with karra ....we r waiting for other tutorials....i like ur jobs big up ❣️❣️❣️❣️skrr♥️🌹🌹🌹

  • @InfernalWAVE
    @InfernalWAVE 8 днів тому

    as far as the MIDI/harmony comparison, since Auotune Pro 11 has the smart MIDI and the harmony player, can’t you do exactly the same the thing you showed in your example? they even mention this in their tutorial video, unless i am mistaken

  • @kithy3940
    @kithy3940 Місяць тому

    I noticed you had to select the key on Antares auto-tune, although the sales rep at Sweetwater said that Antares auto-tune automatically selects the key

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  27 днів тому +1

      AutoTune comes with a 2nd plugin called “AutoKey” which you can add to your instrumental track to detect it’s key and send the correct data to every instance of AutoTune in your session in one single click

    • @kithy3940
      @kithy3940 21 день тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic Good to know. Thanks for the info!

    • @kithy3940
      @kithy3940 18 днів тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic That you for your reply. I would also like to know how graph mode in Auto tune compares to Melodyne?

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  18 днів тому

      @ you will always get the best results using the software you know the best. Melodyne and Graph Mode both work perfectly. You simply have to choose one and learn it thoroughly

  • @istbook2689
    @istbook2689 Місяць тому

    Thank youu 💜

  • @banuoficial
    @banuoficial 6 днів тому

    Very good brother! One question, when I add PitchShifter the audio is out of sync with the dolls, because Pitch changes the size of the audio, how does it do it? Tnks!

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  6 днів тому

      Enable warp before transposing your audio to lock the timing and tempo

  • @mk_alexander
    @mk_alexander Місяць тому

    In your comparison, you seem to have turned "B" off on Ableton's Auto-Shift. Think that may have made it at least closer to Auto-Tune?

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому

      It’s a custom scale note needed for the song’s melody. The scale is customized in both plugins, so the settings match identically with B added to the scale

  • @MaggieKasongo-f9y
    @MaggieKasongo-f9y 28 днів тому

    I need more help! I am on Ableton live suite 11.3.35, is it correct that we can't have access to autoshift, as it's only for Ableton 12 and up? If yes, is it then wiser for me to purchase Waves Tune live and use in my existing live version and save $, or would say Autoshift is better than waves tune live plugin and worth upgrading to live 12? Thank you for video 👏👏

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  28 днів тому

      You need 12.1 or newer to access AutoShift

    • @barrycole5930
      @barrycole5930 13 днів тому

      Im in a similar position, was hoping for a black friday upgrade discount, but also been looking into 12 for the midi tools (transformation and generation look really useful). 12 vs 11 didnt seem all that impressive at launch, not like 11 vs 10 was, but now it seems like 12.1 vs 11.3.35 and up is worth the cost for me at least.

  • @vraisairs9201
    @vraisairs9201 6 днів тому +2

    As an Ableton 11 user, i hate that Ableton 12 already exists

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  6 днів тому

      They took an extremely long time to drop Ableton 12 considering 11 released in 2017 or 2018

    • @vraisairs9201
      @vraisairs9201 6 днів тому +1

      @ I suppose 3 years is still a reasonably long time but 11 didn’t come out till 2021

  • @audiompro
    @audiompro Місяць тому

    awe ♥

  • @prodznake
    @prodznake Місяць тому

    Have you set the mode in Antares Auto-Tune to low-latency or was it using the slower hq algorithm?

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому

      Low Latency mode was enabled as well as Classic Mode for the best latency performance

  • @kithy3940
    @kithy3940 Місяць тому +1

    How did you know what key the song was in?

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +1

      I know what key the song is in because I produced it and remember what keys were played. If you didn't produce your beat, Use an app called Mixed In Key 11, or put the Antares AutoKey plugin on my beat to let it detect key

    • @kithy3940
      @kithy3940 10 днів тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic Does Antares Auto Tune even work if you already sing on key? I just tried it from the Universal Audio plugin and it made my voice sound terribly distorted. I’m pretty sure I picked the right key. I am now waiting download of Mixed in Key 11 just to make sure.

  • @nicokarner3546
    @nicokarner3546 22 дні тому

    Hey I wanted to ask if you think Autotunes Graph mode is equally as good as melodyne!

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  22 дні тому +1

      You’ll get great results in either software provided you learn it thoroughly. You’ll get bad results as a beginner in either software.

  • @blepr
    @blepr Місяць тому

    yayyy now i can recreate Arab money!!
    edit: I don’t even have ableton lol

  • @dukeoflemonade
    @dukeoflemonade Місяць тому

    Dont make anything too fire, Mr. In the Game. We don't want a fire on our hands.

  • @Djsampha
    @Djsampha 19 днів тому

    HOW YOU DEAL WITH ABLETON CORRUPT PDC ?

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  18 днів тому

      I'm don't know what you're referring to

    • @Djsampha
      @Djsampha 18 днів тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic plugin delay compensation timeing error with plugin like kickstart shaperbox etc

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  18 днів тому +2

      @@Djsampha i put shaperbox before any problematic latency causing plugins like UAD

  • @thehighams
    @thehighams 5 днів тому

    Oh no you didn't start the intro facing away from the mic

  • @theinvisibleman-e8v
    @theinvisibleman-e8v Місяць тому +1

    Happy auto shift exists but it needs work from ableton to reach the required level.

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +1

      I agree it could be better, but it also doesn’t “need” be be a direct autotune killer. Having different plugins with different flavors is helpful too

  • @giambronefilms1668
    @giambronefilms1668 Місяць тому +2

    Fine line between creativity and ruining the song.

  • @LouSkrou
    @LouSkrou Місяць тому

    Hell yes brother man…. Puppet man… bro puppet….. bruppet

  • @EskayThaKid
    @EskayThaKid Місяць тому

    MetaTune Vs Auto Shift

  • @bboymac84
    @bboymac84 Місяць тому

    Ableton needs stems!

  • @ertybeats
    @ertybeats Місяць тому +5

    3:46 nah what the hell

  • @gentleapache
    @gentleapache Місяць тому

    Use some stock plugins along with auto-shift and tweak to taste. All you need is a good mix and final product....no one will even know....who will know if it was autotune or auto-shift, no one will know!

  • @beatprocess
    @beatprocess Місяць тому

    that bandlab vocal tuning is Nooooo joke.idk

  • @FriscoPisco
    @FriscoPisco 11 днів тому

    i can't make it through puppet boy's intro , that high vocal whine up is annoying , Next

  • @emerytaylor7488
    @emerytaylor7488 Місяць тому

    Everyone: how about ARA compatibility like every other DAW has had for years?
    Ableton: uh, here’s a shitty version of autotune that is basically useless.
    Everyone:…gee thanks…

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +1

      ARA compatibility would be awesome 🤘

    • @emerytaylor7488
      @emerytaylor7488 Місяць тому

      @ it’s getting silly that they don’t have it after 4 years. Meanwhile they spend time making useless apps like note. Help the pros out ableton!

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  22 дні тому

      @ Ableton seems very focused on their own stock plugins. I sadly doubt 3rd party ARA plugin compatibility is high up on their to-do list. I hope I’m wrong

    • @emerytaylor7488
      @emerytaylor7488 21 день тому

      @@ReidStefanMusic they’re focused on capturing more casuals and ignoring professionals.

  • @iliravdyli4109
    @iliravdyli4109 Місяць тому +1

    Sounds like shiii compared to antares 😂

    • @ReidStefanMusic
      @ReidStefanMusic  Місяць тому +2

      To be fair, nearly every autotune knockoff sounds like a knockoff when compared side by side with the real plugin. Especially to a generation of listeners who have been hearing actual Autotune algorithm since the 1990’s

    • @foljs5858
      @foljs5858 Місяць тому +1

      Barely registers as different

    • @darkmaer
      @darkmaer Місяць тому +1

      To be fair, all auto tune sounds horrible.

    • @deiviprod
      @deiviprod Місяць тому +1

      @@ReidStefanMusic It is crazy how antares nailed the autotune algorithm in the 90s and since then no company has been able to come closer to them

    • @pw6002
      @pw6002 24 дні тому

      @@deiviprod
      Same for Ableton’s time-stretch algorithm - unbeaten for more than 2 decades now.