I was actually playing around the other day with them both. Yes, Autoshift definitely introduces some artifacts. I'd say it has a "warm tape" feel to it - kind of liked that dirty sound at first, but quickly realized that it's not meant for every vocal use. Whereas, with Antares Autotune - it introduces a pleasant "Clean Tube" feel with every vocal performance.
I agree, AutoTune cleanly tunes the vocal. AutoShift darkens & digitizes the sound with tuning. Unwanted artifacts & clicks don't happen to me as often using AutoTune Pro. However, AutoShift can definitely be useful for background vocals or things that don't need the presence of a modern pop lead vocal.
@ReidStefanMusic 100% correct. Im sure they will nail it with future updates. This got me thinking: Do a comparison between Logic Pitch Correction, FL Studio Pitcher and Autoshift. Then maybe a separate video between Logic Flex Pitch, FL Studio Newtone and Antares Graph Mode?
@@ashmidnytcomparing auto pitch correction plugins is easy, but comparing manual pitch correction softwares is somewhat of a waste of time, because the results will always favor whichever software you personally know best.
@@ReidStefanMusic I think the goal here would be which one sounds more natural. 🙂 I think we should collab on an afrobeat for Karra. I mean, I am from Africa after all. 😀
@@ashmidnyt in manual pitch correction plugins it takes extra time, experience, and practice to achieve “natural” sounding results. I know melodyne the best, so melodyne would have an unfair advantage in my tests
thanks for the passion put in your work, a lot of effort deserves recognition. Probably many people does not see the video quality, the lightning, the audio, the pedagogy explaining, just professional and clearly made with love.
I definitely noticed some artifacts during my tests too. I thought that might've just been me. Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't been relying on autoshift for most professional work but it's definitely been great to play around with. Great vid as always Reid!
Stoked to have this for free in Live but honestly would probably never use it for anything other than tracking. It sounds so much less natural than most other tuners even waves tune realtime. Great video! ❤️🙏
I think AutoShift is a GREAT addition to allow you to at least get some tuning on demos and such if you don't yet own Antares. I'm betting with some eq and compression, in the context of a mix, you can get these as near as makes no difference to indistinguishable. I'd DEFINITELY prefer to have it rather than nothing at all.
auto shift sounds a bit raspy and dark while autotune is clear and has a nice top sheen so i'd have to add some highend air to brighten the vocals while using auto shift with something like fresh air. My use case would probably be layering harmonies with it or earlier in production.
Those are in my top 3 remaining feature requests too 🔥 my number one feature request is pre-punch recording so you can get back singing that happened before you pressed record too late like Pro Tools. Ableton already has background MIDI capture but no audio version
@@theflo.loudnoizit’s only listening while the playback is going, and if you don’t punch record during playback that background recording file gets deleted immediately. It’s not like a surveillance camera
Yaaaah finaly bro ....i was waiting for that fo long time ...u r the best with karra ....❤❤❤❤ U r the best ever ....so .....why u choose Ableton live as ur main daw ..over than other daws ...i wish u make a video about that soon olz ❤❤❤
I like Ableton for the fun Stock plugins, making beats easily, and manipulating percussion loops with Beats warp Mode. I’m not the type of puppet to choose just 1 daw for everything tho 🔥
I noticed you had to select the key on Antares auto-tune, although the sales rep at Sweetwater said that Antares auto-tune automatically selects the key
AutoTune comes with a 2nd plugin called “AutoKey” which you can add to your instrumental track to detect it’s key and send the correct data to every instance of AutoTune in your session in one single click
@ you will always get the best results using the software you know the best. Melodyne and Graph Mode both work perfectly. You simply have to choose one and learn it thoroughly
as far as the MIDI/harmony comparison, since Auotune Pro 11 has the smart MIDI and the harmony player, can’t you do exactly the same the thing you showed in your example? they even mention this in their tutorial video, unless i am mistaken
During the live playback, you didn’t have B enabled in Auto Shift, so yeah - of course it was gonna struggle trying to find notes that weren’t selected.
Very good brother! One question, when I add PitchShifter the audio is out of sync with the dolls, because Pitch changes the size of the audio, how does it do it? Tnks!
I know what key the song is in because I produced it and remember what keys were played. If you didn't produce your beat, Use an app called Mixed In Key 11, or put the Antares AutoKey plugin on my beat to let it detect key
@@ReidStefanMusic Does Antares Auto Tune even work if you already sing on key? I just tried it from the Universal Audio plugin and it made my voice sound terribly distorted. I’m pretty sure I picked the right key. I am now waiting download of Mixed in Key 11 just to make sure.
I need more help! I am on Ableton live suite 11.3.35, is it correct that we can't have access to autoshift, as it's only for Ableton 12 and up? If yes, is it then wiser for me to purchase Waves Tune live and use in my existing live version and save $, or would say Autoshift is better than waves tune live plugin and worth upgrading to live 12? Thank you for video 👏👏
Im in a similar position, was hoping for a black friday upgrade discount, but also been looking into 12 for the midi tools (transformation and generation look really useful). 12 vs 11 didnt seem all that impressive at launch, not like 11 vs 10 was, but now it seems like 12.1 vs 11.3.35 and up is worth the cost for me at least.
It’s a custom scale note needed for the song’s melody. The scale is customized in both plugins, so the settings match identically with B added to the scale
Autotune is like the Bugatti of pitch correction plugins. It sounds the best, works the best, but always needs repairs and requires you to also own a backup vehicle 😂
Use some stock plugins along with auto-shift and tweak to taste. All you need is a good mix and final product....no one will even know....who will know if it was autotune or auto-shift, no one will know!
Yes auto shift reduces your volume level compared to Autotune, however the problematic artifacts I hear remind me of a lower quality mp3, and robotic pitch transitions, instead of clean concise transitions like autotune does.
Everyone: how about ARA compatibility like every other DAW has had for years? Ableton: uh, here’s a shitty version of autotune that is basically useless. Everyone:…gee thanks…
@ Ableton seems very focused on their own stock plugins. I sadly doubt 3rd party ARA plugin compatibility is high up on their to-do list. I hope I’m wrong
To be fair, nearly every autotune knockoff sounds like a knockoff when compared side by side with the real plugin. Especially to a generation of listeners who have been hearing actual Autotune algorithm since the 1990’s
in fast paced circumstances, and lower skill level circumstances, melodyne can be a bad choice. Autotune or auto shift are much faster and require less music knowledge, manual work, and clicking around
I was actually playing around the other day with them both. Yes, Autoshift definitely introduces some artifacts. I'd say it has a "warm tape" feel to it - kind of liked that dirty sound at first, but quickly realized that it's not meant for every vocal use. Whereas, with Antares Autotune - it introduces a pleasant "Clean Tube" feel with every vocal performance.
I agree, AutoTune cleanly tunes the vocal. AutoShift darkens & digitizes the sound with tuning. Unwanted artifacts & clicks don't happen to me as often using AutoTune Pro. However, AutoShift can definitely be useful for background vocals or things that don't need the presence of a modern pop lead vocal.
@ReidStefanMusic 100% correct. Im sure they will nail it with future updates.
This got me thinking: Do a comparison between Logic Pitch Correction, FL Studio Pitcher and Autoshift. Then maybe a separate video between Logic Flex Pitch, FL Studio Newtone and Antares Graph Mode?
@@ashmidnytcomparing auto pitch correction plugins is easy, but comparing manual pitch correction softwares is somewhat of a waste of time, because the results will always favor whichever software you personally know best.
@@ReidStefanMusic I think the goal here would be which one sounds more natural. 🙂
I think we should collab on an afrobeat for Karra. I mean, I am from Africa after all. 😀
@@ashmidnyt in manual pitch correction plugins it takes extra time, experience, and practice to achieve “natural” sounding results. I know melodyne the best, so melodyne would have an unfair advantage in my tests
thanks for the passion put in your work, a lot of effort deserves recognition. Probably many people does not see the video quality, the lightning, the audio, the pedagogy explaining, just professional and clearly made with love.
I love auto-shift but auto-tune will forever be my sauce 💖
I definitely noticed some artifacts during my tests too. I thought that might've just been me. Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't been relying on autoshift for most professional work but it's definitely been great to play around with. Great vid as always Reid!
Very useful demonstration, thank you for posting!
Stoked to have this for free in Live but honestly would probably never use it for anything other than tracking. It sounds so much less natural than most other tuners even waves tune realtime. Great video! ❤️🙏
Best Auto Shift video out! Thanks🙏🏽
love this puppet so much
The most creative puppet in the game for real!🔥
I think AutoShift is a GREAT addition to allow you to at least get some tuning on demos and such if you don't yet own Antares. I'm betting with some eq and compression, in the context of a mix, you can get these as near as makes no difference to indistinguishable. I'd DEFINITELY prefer to have it rather than nothing at all.
It’s also useful when you don’t have your iLok for AutoTune Pro to open when you’re traveling
@@ReidStefanMusic I didn't even think of that - I unfortunately have no iLok VST's to hassle with this
Hit em wit da Sickness (that was sick) -- You're a Boss!!
I am SO GLAD you're the realest puppet in the game! Okay then.. **Unpauses video**
thank you I have learned a lot from you
The best intro eva, always
It’s production time 😊👍
❤
Even with its faults, still seems pretty impressive for a stock plug in. Great review.
@@SpeedRacerx89 I agree! It’s still the best vocal plugin in Ableton 🔥
Wow that’s fire 🔥
auto shift sounds a bit raspy and dark while autotune is clear and has a nice top sheen so i'd have to add some highend air to brighten the vocals while using auto shift with something like fresh air. My use case would probably be layering harmonies with it or earlier in production.
Awesome I didnt realise ableton has that now ...thx 😀
It’s an amazing time to be an Ableton user 🤘
How I’ve longed for the realest intro in the game
ok ableton now give us stem separation or a bigger plugin open button
Those are in my top 3 remaining feature requests too 🔥 my number one feature request is pre-punch recording so you can get back singing that happened before you pressed record too late like Pro Tools. Ableton already has background MIDI capture but no audio version
@@ReidStefanMusictbh I wouldn’t want my daw to listen to everything that happens in the studio :))
@@theflo.loudnoizit’s only listening while the playback is going, and if you don’t punch record during playback that background recording file gets deleted immediately. It’s not like a surveillance camera
Bro spitting facts
@Ultraskill23group freezing would be awesome
I need to learn
Yaaaah finaly bro ....i was waiting for that fo long time ...u r the best with karra ....❤❤❤❤ U r the best ever ....so .....why u choose Ableton live as ur main daw ..over than other daws ...i wish u make a video about that soon olz ❤❤❤
I like Ableton for the fun Stock plugins, making beats easily, and manipulating percussion loops with Beats warp Mode. I’m not the type of puppet to choose just 1 daw for everything tho 🔥
@@ReidStefanMusic hh thnx boy u r the best with karra ....we r waiting for other tutorials....i like ur jobs big up ❣️❣️❣️❣️skrr♥️🌹🌹🌹
The clarity and volume are better with the Antares, that's true, but for a free included stock plugin not bad at all.
Perhaps with envelope following eq auto shift could be made to sound more crisp ? Either way, the difference was noticeable.
Thanks for this video ❤
4:17 Billie Eilish bad guy effect…😅
Thank youu 💜
Thanks for watching 😊
"Realest Puppet in the Game" is back!
Me trying to sing at morning without warm up 3:46
I noticed you had to select the key on Antares auto-tune, although the sales rep at Sweetwater said that Antares auto-tune automatically selects the key
AutoTune comes with a 2nd plugin called “AutoKey” which you can add to your instrumental track to detect it’s key and send the correct data to every instance of AutoTune in your session in one single click
@@ReidStefanMusic Good to know. Thanks for the info!
@@ReidStefanMusic That you for your reply. I would also like to know how graph mode in Auto tune compares to Melodyne?
@ you will always get the best results using the software you know the best. Melodyne and Graph Mode both work perfectly. You simply have to choose one and learn it thoroughly
Auto Shift is great for some experimental non vocal stuff.
I’d absolutely use this on horns, bass guitar, or any other monophonic instrument
as far as the MIDI/harmony comparison, since Auotune Pro 11 has the smart MIDI and the harmony player, can’t you do exactly the same the thing you showed in your example? they even mention this in their tutorial video, unless i am mistaken
awe ♥
what was that instrument/sound at 5:00 ?
That plucking, string sound.
String Pizz preset in kontakt factory library
During the live playback, you didn’t have B enabled in Auto Shift, so yeah - of course it was gonna struggle trying to find notes that weren’t selected.
yayyy now i can recreate Arab money!!
edit: I don’t even have ableton lol
Very good brother! One question, when I add PitchShifter the audio is out of sync with the dolls, because Pitch changes the size of the audio, how does it do it? Tnks!
Enable warp before transposing your audio to lock the timing and tempo
How did you know what key the song was in?
I know what key the song is in because I produced it and remember what keys were played. If you didn't produce your beat, Use an app called Mixed In Key 11, or put the Antares AutoKey plugin on my beat to let it detect key
@@ReidStefanMusic Does Antares Auto Tune even work if you already sing on key? I just tried it from the Universal Audio plugin and it made my voice sound terribly distorted. I’m pretty sure I picked the right key. I am now waiting download of Mixed in Key 11 just to make sure.
I need more help! I am on Ableton live suite 11.3.35, is it correct that we can't have access to autoshift, as it's only for Ableton 12 and up? If yes, is it then wiser for me to purchase Waves Tune live and use in my existing live version and save $, or would say Autoshift is better than waves tune live plugin and worth upgrading to live 12? Thank you for video 👏👏
You need 12.1 or newer to access AutoShift
Im in a similar position, was hoping for a black friday upgrade discount, but also been looking into 12 for the midi tools (transformation and generation look really useful). 12 vs 11 didnt seem all that impressive at launch, not like 11 vs 10 was, but now it seems like 12.1 vs 11.3.35 and up is worth the cost for me at least.
In your comparison, you seem to have turned "B" off on Ableton's Auto-Shift. Think that may have made it at least closer to Auto-Tune?
It’s a custom scale note needed for the song’s melody. The scale is customized in both plugins, so the settings match identically with B added to the scale
Have you set the mode in Antares Auto-Tune to low-latency or was it using the slower hq algorithm?
Low Latency mode was enabled as well as Classic Mode for the best latency performance
Hey I wanted to ask if you think Autotunes Graph mode is equally as good as melodyne!
You’ll get great results in either software provided you learn it thoroughly. You’ll get bad results as a beginner in either software.
also it's not 600mb to install the plugin and doesnt break 50% of the time like at
Autotune is like the Bugatti of pitch correction plugins. It sounds the best, works the best, but always needs repairs and requires you to also own a backup vehicle 😂
@@ReidStefanMusic old at used to be 15mb or so, did they really change the algorithm?
Dont make anything too fire, Mr. In the Game. We don't want a fire on our hands.
Hell yes brother man…. Puppet man… bro puppet….. bruppet
As an Ableton 11 user, i hate that Ableton 12 already exists
They took an extremely long time to drop Ableton 12 considering 11 released in 2017 or 2018
@ I suppose 3 years is still a reasonably long time but 11 didn’t come out till 2021
HOW YOU DEAL WITH ABLETON CORRUPT PDC ?
I'm don't know what you're referring to
@@ReidStefanMusic plugin delay compensation timeing error with plugin like kickstart shaperbox etc
@@djsampha i put shaperbox before any problematic latency causing plugins like UAD
Happy auto shift exists but it needs work from ableton to reach the required level.
I agree it could be better, but it also doesn’t “need” be be a direct autotune killer. Having different plugins with different flavors is helpful too
MetaTune Vs Auto Shift
Ableton needs stems!
3:46 nah what the hell
Too much modulation 😅
Use some stock plugins along with auto-shift and tweak to taste. All you need is a good mix and final product....no one will even know....who will know if it was autotune or auto-shift, no one will know!
Auto Tune was like 2dB higher volume
Yes auto shift reduces your volume level compared to Autotune, however the problematic artifacts I hear remind me of a lower quality mp3, and robotic pitch transitions, instead of clean concise transitions like autotune does.
Fine line between creativity and ruining the song.
Oh no you didn't start the intro facing away from the mic
that bandlab vocal tuning is Nooooo joke.idk
Whole Poops
Everyone: how about ARA compatibility like every other DAW has had for years?
Ableton: uh, here’s a shitty version of autotune that is basically useless.
Everyone:…gee thanks…
ARA compatibility would be awesome 🤘
@ it’s getting silly that they don’t have it after 4 years. Meanwhile they spend time making useless apps like note. Help the pros out ableton!
@ Ableton seems very focused on their own stock plugins. I sadly doubt 3rd party ARA plugin compatibility is high up on their to-do list. I hope I’m wrong
@@ReidStefanMusic they’re focused on capturing more casuals and ignoring professionals.
IT'S JUST VOLUME DUDE
i can't make it through puppet boy's intro , that high vocal whine up is annoying , Next
Sounds like shiii compared to antares 😂
To be fair, nearly every autotune knockoff sounds like a knockoff when compared side by side with the real plugin. Especially to a generation of listeners who have been hearing actual Autotune algorithm since the 1990’s
Barely registers as different
To be fair, all auto tune sounds horrible.
@@ReidStefanMusic It is crazy how antares nailed the autotune algorithm in the 90s and since then no company has been able to come closer to them
@@deiviprod
Same for Ableton’s time-stretch algorithm - unbeaten for more than 2 decades now.
lot nthing beats melodyne
in fast paced circumstances, and lower skill level circumstances, melodyne can be a bad choice. Autotune or auto shift are much faster and require less music knowledge, manual work, and clicking around