Thanks a lot for your detailed videos! And big thanks for mentioning the latency issues at 22:15. I really hope Ableton watches your videos because this is a huge problem. You're honestly the first person I've heard bring it up.
Your Ableton Live latency video from several years ago was what brought me to your channel. I'm so glad to be seeing an updated and detailed video for latency!
@22:10 ...check what is even more crazy...the channel inserts lack of PDC in Ableton Live, can carry over to a new track if the new track is receiving the output (Auto/Off setting in the record state, does not matter) of another track with latency inducing plug ins. This drove me mad for a day whilst I was trying to figure out why it happened! This problem is specific to Ableton Live and its a far too expensive DAW to have such a flaw. There's posts by people saying it can't be fixed without writing the code from the bottom up and I am not a coder so I have no idea if that is the case, but Ableton's strong denial to address it, makes me think the above rumours, might be true. Ableton do mention in Delay Compensation FAQ that "Built-in device modulation synced to the Live transport (i.e. synced to a specific beat-time position) is not compensated". There's no solution on offer, they just flat out say it is what it is. Its 2024 and the elephant is still in the room and no one at Ableton is saying anything. Hopefully this video generates enough noise for them to at least say something on the matter.
The amount of knowledge I acquire in any of your videos is beyond belief. Thanks for your generosity Anthony, you must be the most articulate and accessible Ableton teacher out there!
When I was getting started producing, latency was a constant annoyance for me because I didn't understand it. There are so many little things that can cause latency or add to an existing problem and it feels like a lot to wrap your head around when your new. Wish I had this video back then!
Great video thank you 🙌🏼, this helped in so many ways! I also hope Ableton were watching! A problem I have is when clients send there project with certain tracks flattened and the audio visuals aren’t doesn’t align to the grid or each other, I’m assuming this is the individual latency on each channel a pain in the arse!! Also is there a better way for the visual side of Ableton play position lining up with what you are hearing? It’s killing me coming from Cubase 😂😂
This video has come up at such a great time!! Just got a push 2 and have been struggling with latency. Thank you:)) (side note your mixing course saved me)
Thank you! I'd been struggling with the external audio device recording. Selecting the source track as the input was the bit I was missing. I'm still making my way through your courses. There is a TON of information in them.
No other resource on the whole internet is as good as this explanation of latency, not just for Ableton but all DAWs. This is THE video to go to when having latency issues, period. Fantastic content as always sensei 🙏
Thanks a ton! I’ll definitely put these tips to use. I have to say that enrolling in all your Ableton courses was one of the best decisions I’ve made for my music. Your in-depth knowledge of Ableton, songwriting, recording, sound design, live performance, mixing, and m astering is truly remarkable! Plus, the S2S community is super friendly and supportive. Wishing you all the best! Thanks again!
So well explained as always. I'm now much more aware of the possible challenges from Latency under different use cases, but great to have a comprehensive understanding of the solutions and workarounds. Thank you Anthony!
Anthony is an amazing instructor and his course seed to stage finally gave me the tools to get the musical ideas out of my head and actually like what comes out, I’d recommend him to anyone who seriously wants to up their musical game, whether it’s for fun or a career, Anthony explains things so clearly and with repetition and clarity!
I’m so glad you touched on the ableton latency issue because it’s actually worse than that. I found in testing that groups were failing entirely to calculate latency when reopening a project, max for live doesn’t calculate latency correctly either. Some latency gets reported incorrectly upon reopening projects and will cause the same out of time things to happen. The only fix is to rearrange the tracks in the project and put them back where they were which causes ableton to manually recalculate the plug-in latencies. You cannot have a side chain on a track or group because of this and have to make a bus for your side chain to go through or your side chain will not be calculating time correctly. These issues and abletons support responses that told me to stop using 3rd party plugins entirely as well as huge stability issues since 10 made me leave ableton this year after being a lifelong user for bitwig. Sad they have not fixed this it is totally unacceptable at this point.
This was a great no nonsense approach to explaining several concepts that I've struggled to wrap my head around for years. Super helpful for understanding all of the tools to combat latency.
Thank god you mentioned the most important latency issue that still hasn't been addressed - plugin to plugin compensation reporting . I thought you was gonna gloss over it or not mention it. I've been using Ableton for over a decade, there wasn't too much for me to learn here but it was a good reminder to go back and look at all my setup. It's also funny, I have seen so many people (youtubers especially) not using the external audio or external instrument plugin and complain about latency when recording.
Thank you for this video. Don't forget the Oversampling settings. This has a huge effect on the latency. The higher the oversampling setting is, the more latency will be generated. So better is while working on a track, keep the oversampling off and when you render the project, set the oversampling high. But don't forget to listen to the track carefully before rendering. The different oversampling can effect the sound.
Really excellent video as usual. One other trick provided by Ableton, and other DAWs if you have a lot going on in your set would be to freeze tracks with a lot of latency or which are resource heavy. Not an ideal solution, but possibly marginally better than some of the more basic techniques such as recording a channel out to a new track and then disabling hungry plugins.
Minor correction: at 10:36 you say “if I had 40 instances of days in my whole set I would be multiplying 2.7 ms of latency by 40” As long as those were all on separate tracks you would only get 2.7 ms of latency. Latency only stacks when the plugins are in sequence (not in parallel)
If you make a parallel effect chain and mute one chain then put the sync based plugin on the other it should correctly adjust the latency . Automation will still be out of sync however
Awesome video as always. The list you made of devices with their latency is a sweet reaource, i like the idea of knowing what I'm adding latency wise while adding effects instead of hunting for issues later.
22:24 with anyone using infiltrator and tries this experiment, you can circumnavigate it by turning either MIDI or Audio retrigger on in Infiltrator and it'll sync. But , Ableton needs to really address this.
@@tavenner07 it'll start, it's if you have it after another plugin with latency it will thro it off in Ableton as he has demonstrated. This is the workaround specifically for it.
Thanks for the great info, but am a little disappointed that you didn't cover the "MIDI Clock Sync Delay" and other options for each device on the "Link, Tempo & MIDI" options page. Wanted more info on usage of that because the Beatstep Pro I use as an external sequencer lags over USB MIDI. I guess that isn't audio latency proper so might be a different topic...
I was really thinking about stopping using ableton or plugins with latency because I couldn’t figure out why reduced latency with monitoring wasn’t working! Thanks!
As with all his tutorials, Anthony's genius is taking the most complex Ableton Live concepts and making them dead simple to understand and manipulate. Watch til the end, you will not be disappointed!
Great video. Puts an issue on the table I can't figure out. I regularly meet guys or girls that 'd like to start making music like this on their laptops. I can advise them on a lot except the necessity of having/buying an audio interface, certainly when the just start. I had to have one from the start, because I started recording my electric guitar and voice. However, if you don't use analog input like guitars and mics in your tracks, do you need an audio interface. Certainly for people just starting this makes a lot of difference in the budget they need. I tend to think they can work for months without one when they just want to makes beats, maybe using vocal samples. What is your opinion?
The Ultimate GUIDE, sounds very promising, can you make it happen ... Will edit after the video, Got interrupted many times during this video, and indeed you showed me 2 things i rather have knew before ,external and Monitoring off, handy these are for me. yet i don't like that you need to hover over a plugin to see the latency created, it should show it always and immediate and accurate as intended like in any other daw's , and should give it for the full chain/Bus or track, perhaps one day they will sandbox all and resolve the issue they have with latency and timed LFO , one day ... Are you looking Ableton, Did you notice the request 🙂
I was looking at the latency issue at 24:00, aroundish, I think it cannot be managed because the reason for that latency is the Limiter´s "lookahead" feature, so in order for Ableton to manage this issue would be to have a configuration for each vst that uses lookahead, so I think it is not a problem of the DAW, rather it is just something that separates the experts and the regular users.
Awesome video, appreciate your work! Wondering if you have some tips for a setup like: Ableton -> midi clock -> external sequencer (OXI One) -> cv signals -> analogue gear (modular) -> audio in -> Ableton. So far, I haven't found a solid way to get this right. Playing with the midi clock offset helps, but is not very reliable...
I’d say the problem is likely in your midi clock as it’s not time adjusted. Instead, what I would use is the CV clock out device. I found that that’s usually way more solid.
@@SeedtoStage Cool, using cv clock directly to the analogue gear works very nicely! I guess I could probably clock the OXI this way to get all the other goodies it has to offer. Thanks!!
That's why we use audio or MIDI triggers in ShaperBox or Kickstart 2 to avoid latency. But ironically, they introduce a lot of latency as well. I'm honestly tired of Ableton. It's more of a 'mouse-driven' software than a musician's tool. It completely killed the joy I used to feel playing my keyboard.
thank you...I always thought Ableton has some problems with audio recording and even switched to another daws just for recording purposes...turns out I was the problem🥲
FYI: Disabling "Keep Latency" does exactly the same to the recording as the "trick" with recording to a track that has Monitoring set to "Off" did. Exactly the same. In the video they made it sound way more confusing than it actually is.
@@SoloElROY but they never state that it is the same and from their attempt at explaining the feature it also seems like they don't know it is the same. Also later in the video they claim that "Keep Latency" button doesn't solve the issue of not having delay compensation applied when recording (they claim that all you need is the Ext. Instrument device) - which is totally not true. You need the button to disable "Keep Latency".
So for hardware being sequenced by an external sequencer, but getting clock from ableton it's better to use external instrument and set up another audio track with monitor off to record in? I'll have to try this. I have a template set up with audio in so I can monitor and "keep latency" off and as you are saying it does have the latency reported from my interface in the audio. I run at 64 sample, so it's a slight bit, but if I can eliminate it completely, that's pretty amazing.
Plugins handling in Ableton Live 12 (and all versions before) is a nightmare…issues with PDC and no sandbox environments around them making potential crashes inevitable. Live 12 live sets kept crashing a lot and 12.1 seems more stable…But the current issues with PDC + different handling of the compensation depending on the type of track used/routing makes the whole sets very hard to keep in sync, especially with external hardware instruments.
I was so hoping your external audio effect portion would help me out but alas, my system of Ableton Live 12, and Apollo 8 with Audient preamps connected via ADAT and being the clock source does not allow for it. The externally processed audio always comes in as too early, not as too late. I've messed with driver error compensation and done the tutorial several times. So wish that External Audio Effect could be the panacea it is for you, but it's not.
SIR,I think you are the only person worth askin about ableton stuff,people are so overthinking over mix and master stuff,and cubase and pro tools is called goat in that area,should i focus my career in learning in cubase instead of stayin in ableton? i want to work as music producer and also as someone who mix and master,but im not sure,if ableton can get the job done or not,and if not,why u and most people are using ableton? do you guys make song in fl or ableton,then mix in another daw? or all things done in just 1daw?
great vid. I know Ableton was designed around performing live that’s why the latency problems are still there. turning off plugins isn’t really turning them off. but I wish there was a recording mode. in Logic you solve this by pressing just one button (low latency recording) it works 100% in super heavy projects and it’s been there for years. I can’t get it how Ableton can’t solve this thing since the beginning
I noticed you didn’t address the latency dial in the external instrument plugin , I use this a ton because I have a lot of external hardness, I cannot get it rock solid without adjusting this dial, am I doing something wrong?
Heyyyy..... Finally the ultimate comprehensive guide to the black magic. What would you actually recommend for the case of latency-whores inside one effect chain, as you mentioned it in chapter 7 at minute 22:15 ? I guess you just have to route the signal after the time-consuming effect into another track, from where you can add the other effects in series afterwards. The routing to another track should compensate this latency. And that is just possible because the plugins "tell" live their latency??!! Or doe's Live measure this? In both cases, it should be theoretically possible to implement this at specific points in the chain.?! Is the latency in devices like infiltrator always the same, or does it depend on the actual modules (presets) you use in it? That would be the one issue I see, with "predicting/adding" latency compensation after each effect in one chain.
All I can say to this is that if the plugin exists anywhere in the signal chain, it will make the latency on every track in Ableton UNLESS “reduced latency while monitoring” is on. So the solution could be to remove the new track from that signal chain or to commit the offending tracks to audio.
@@SeedtoStage Yeah.. It will bring all tracks to the worst latency. But the delayed signal of the first half of the signal chain, should be in sync with the midi-actions, happening in the other track. But yeah.This scenario is very abstract. At least for me. But it was an eye opener, because I often have the feeling my songs sounding more and more washed out after some actions, I couldn't explain otherwise. Thx for this.
@@Funkmastabuzz if you mean signal chains where there is a plugin with an lfo or sequencer is after a latency creating plugin, yes it’s still there and it still sucks! I called them out in this video and demonstrate it about 3/4 of the way through.
Best Ableton teacher on the internet!!
this is FACTS ❤️
Thanks! I feel latency is the most critical feature to fully understand in a DAW and I know these videos take a lot of time to make.
Thanks a lot for your detailed videos! And big thanks for mentioning the latency issues at 22:15. I really hope Ableton watches your videos because this is a huge problem. You're honestly the first person I've heard bring it up.
Your Ableton Live latency video from several years ago was what brought me to your channel. I'm so glad to be seeing an updated and detailed video for latency!
@22:10 ...check what is even more crazy...the channel inserts lack of PDC in Ableton Live, can carry over to a new track if the new track is receiving the output (Auto/Off setting in the record state, does not matter) of another track with latency inducing plug ins. This drove me mad for a day whilst I was trying to figure out why it happened!
This problem is specific to Ableton Live and its a far too expensive DAW to have such a flaw.
There's posts by people saying it can't be fixed without writing the code from the bottom up and I am not a coder so I have no idea if that is the case, but Ableton's strong denial to address it, makes me think the above rumours, might be true.
Ableton do mention in Delay Compensation FAQ that "Built-in device modulation synced to the Live transport (i.e. synced to a specific beat-time position) is not compensated".
There's no solution on offer, they just flat out say it is what it is.
Its 2024 and the elephant is still in the room and no one at Ableton is saying anything.
Hopefully this video generates enough noise for them to at least say something on the matter.
Most comprehensive video about latency ever made!! Hands down!!
The amount of knowledge I acquire in any of your videos is beyond belief. Thanks for your generosity Anthony, you must be the most articulate and accessible Ableton teacher out there!
Super useful! Seed to Stage is the best at explaining how Ableton works in a logical, clear and practical manner.
Essential info presented in a clear and fun delivery. The Seedtostage standard.
Thanks!
This is awesome! Thanks.
When I was getting started producing, latency was a constant annoyance for me because I didn't understand it. There are so many little things that can cause latency or add to an existing problem and it feels like a lot to wrap your head around when your new. Wish I had this video back then!
Amazing video!! Hey, i experimented a crazy CPU overload with ext instrument on my MOOG synth... Crazy diference! Like 30 to 40% more!
Great video thank you 🙌🏼, this helped in so many ways! I also hope Ableton were watching! A problem I have is when clients send there project with certain tracks flattened and the audio visuals aren’t doesn’t align to the grid or each other, I’m assuming this is the individual latency on each channel a pain in the arse!!
Also is there a better way for the visual side of Ableton play position lining up with what you are hearing? It’s killing me coming from Cubase 😂😂
This video has come up at such a great time!! Just got a push 2 and have been struggling with latency. Thank you:)) (side note your mixing course saved me)
this video was long due!!!! thank you for the onpoint explanation.
Thank you! I'd been struggling with the external audio device recording. Selecting the source track as the input was the bit I was missing. I'm still making my way through your courses. There is a TON of information in them.
I love that you have taken the time to go back through this in depth even though you've made other videos on the topic. Thanks!
No other resource on the whole internet is as good as this explanation of latency, not just for Ableton but all DAWs. This is THE video to go to when having latency issues, period.
Fantastic content as always sensei 🙏
Thanks a ton! I’ll definitely put these tips to use. I have to say that enrolling in all your Ableton courses was one of the best decisions I’ve made for my music. Your in-depth knowledge of Ableton, songwriting, recording, sound design, live performance, mixing, and m
astering is truly remarkable! Plus, the S2S community is super friendly and supportive. Wishing you all the best! Thanks again!
I've been producing with ableton for years, and it was the solution I was looking for for years! thanks for the video!
I learn something every time - thank you
You are a great instructor, love the way you enhance your delivery by demonstrating how to access the inbuilt lessons. Very well done.
So well explained as always. I'm now much more aware of the possible challenges from Latency under different use cases, but great to have a comprehensive understanding of the solutions and workarounds. Thank you Anthony!
Anthony is an amazing instructor and his course seed to stage finally gave me the tools to get the musical ideas out of my head and actually like what comes out, I’d recommend him to anyone who seriously wants to up their musical game, whether it’s for fun or a career, Anthony explains things so clearly and with repetition and clarity!
HOly moly this is a great vid
learned a lot. def gonna be coming back to this one for decades
I’m so glad you touched on the ableton latency issue because it’s actually worse than that. I found in testing that groups were failing entirely to calculate latency when reopening a project, max for live doesn’t calculate latency correctly either. Some latency gets reported incorrectly upon reopening projects and will cause the same out of time things to happen. The only fix is to rearrange the tracks in the project and put them back where they were which causes ableton to manually recalculate the plug-in latencies. You cannot have a side chain on a track or group because of this and have to make a bus for your side chain to go through or your side chain will not be calculating time correctly. These issues and abletons support responses that told me to stop using 3rd party plugins entirely as well as huge stability issues since 10 made me leave ableton this year after being a lifelong user for bitwig. Sad they have not fixed this it is totally unacceptable at this point.
This was a great no nonsense approach to explaining several concepts that I've struggled to wrap my head around for years. Super helpful for understanding all of the tools to combat latency.
Excellent video as usual. I was hoping you'd have a solution for that 'real latency problem' but sadly not! Come on Ableton!
Thank god you mentioned the most important latency issue that still hasn't been addressed - plugin to plugin compensation reporting . I thought you was gonna gloss over it or not mention it.
I've been using Ableton for over a decade, there wasn't too much for me to learn here but it was a good reminder to go back and look at all my setup.
It's also funny, I have seen so many people (youtubers especially) not using the external audio or external instrument plugin and complain about latency when recording.
Thank you for this video. Don't forget the Oversampling settings. This has a huge effect on the latency. The higher the oversampling setting is, the more latency will be generated. So better is while working on a track, keep the oversampling off and when you render the project, set the oversampling high. But don't forget to listen to the track carefully before rendering. The different oversampling can effect the sound.
Cannot recommend the Seed to Stage course enough.. they’re all incredible
Thanks for this video! Hopefully I can afford the bundle next year!
Really excellent video as usual. One other trick provided by Ableton, and other DAWs if you have a lot going on in your set would be to freeze tracks with a lot of latency or which are resource heavy. Not an ideal solution, but possibly marginally better than some of the more basic techniques such as recording a channel out to a new track and then disabling hungry plugins.
solid vid thanks!
Minor correction: at 10:36 you say “if I had 40 instances of days in my whole set I would be multiplying 2.7 ms of latency by 40”
As long as those were all on separate tracks you would only get 2.7 ms of latency. Latency only stacks when the plugins are in sequence (not in parallel)
Thank you so much for this perfect overview!
If you make a parallel effect chain and mute one chain then put the sync based plugin on the other it should correctly adjust the latency . Automation will still be out of sync however
Most helpful latency video I’ve seen, I’ve been dealing with mdi latency problems for a while and this video showed me how to fix all of them!
Awesome video as always. The list you made of devices with their latency is a sweet reaource, i like the idea of knowing what I'm adding latency wise while adding effects instead of hunting for issues later.
Once again you nail these latency issues in Ableton! Thank you so much for your work Anthony! 🌱
Just when you think you know the ins and outs of your DAW.. Thank you so much.
S2S always winning with the simple to understand and easy to follow instructions! So helpful.
Another great video from S2S. An amazing source of learning and fun. I've been actually waiting for the Latency tutorial for a while. So cool! Thanks.
Seed2Stage's Ableton classes and videos are the best I've found. I didn't realize how little I knew about latency 🤣...Awesome as always!
Thanks for this.. some important distinctions, very helpful.
good to know that effects introduce delay into other effects on the same channel. Thanks!
22:24 with anyone using infiltrator and tries this experiment, you can circumnavigate it by turning either MIDI or Audio retrigger on in Infiltrator and it'll sync. But , Ableton needs to really address this.
So the infiltrator won’t start until it receives audio/midi?
@@tavenner07 it'll start, it's if you have it after another plugin with latency it will thro it off in Ableton as he has demonstrated. This is the workaround specifically for it.
Thanks for the great info, but am a little disappointed that you didn't cover the "MIDI Clock Sync Delay" and other options for each device on the "Link, Tempo & MIDI" options page. Wanted more info on usage of that because the Beatstep Pro I use as an external sequencer lags over USB MIDI. I guess that isn't audio latency proper so might be a different topic...
After years of dabbling, I'm finally starting to enjoy Ableton. This video is a hige help. 👏🏽
nice lid and thanks for the video! been struggling and talking about this a lot lately !!!
the keep latency button has made my Ableton experience sooo much better
I was really thinking about stopping using ableton or plugins with latency because I couldn’t figure out why reduced latency with monitoring wasn’t working! Thanks!
Instant like for the intro pun 😂
This is so damn good.
As with all his tutorials, Anthony's genius is taking the most complex Ableton Live concepts and making them dead simple to understand and manipulate. Watch til the end, you will not be disappointed!
Tip: if you group every device on a track together into a single rack and hover over the rack name it will report the combined latency.
Anthony Ur a G thankyou 🙌🌿🙏
This video helped so much, thank you for the clear well thought out explanation.
I love your videos and teaching style ♥
Great
Awesome as always, thanks!
Great video. Puts an issue on the table I can't figure out. I regularly meet guys or girls that 'd like to start making music like this on their laptops. I can advise them on a lot except the necessity of having/buying an audio interface, certainly when the just start. I had to have one from the start, because I started recording my electric guitar and voice. However, if you don't use analog input like guitars and mics in your tracks, do you need an audio interface. Certainly for people just starting this makes a lot of difference in the budget they need. I tend to think they can work for months without one when they just want to makes beats, maybe using vocal samples. What is your opinion?
Thank you for making this awesome guide!
The Ultimate GUIDE, sounds very promising, can you make it happen ... Will edit after the video, Got interrupted many times during this video, and indeed you showed me 2 things i rather have knew before ,external and Monitoring off, handy these are for me.
yet i don't like that you need to hover over a plugin to see the latency created, it should show it always and immediate and accurate
as intended like in any other daw's , and should give it for the full chain/Bus or track, perhaps one day they will sandbox all and resolve the issue they have with latency and timed LFO , one day ... Are you looking Ableton, Did you notice the request 🙂
I was looking at the latency issue at 24:00, aroundish, I think it cannot be managed because the reason for that latency is the Limiter´s "lookahead" feature, so in order for Ableton to manage this issue would be to have a configuration for each vst that uses lookahead, so I think it is not a problem of the DAW, rather it is just something that separates the experts and the regular users.
Incredibly valuable video!! Well done and thank you!!!
Just what I needed ! :)
great content, like always!
While everyone and their neighbor is whoring away 'reviewing' new plugins, you do your own thing 👍
Exactly the video I'm looking dor ans my algorithm just showed it to me.
Awesome video, appreciate your work! Wondering if you have some tips for a setup like: Ableton -> midi clock -> external sequencer (OXI One) -> cv signals -> analogue gear (modular) -> audio in -> Ableton. So far, I haven't found a solid way to get this right. Playing with the midi clock offset helps, but is not very reliable...
I’d say the problem is likely in your midi clock as it’s not time adjusted. Instead, what I would use is the CV clock out device. I found that that’s usually way more solid.
@@SeedtoStage Cool, using cv clock directly to the analogue gear works very nicely! I guess I could probably clock the OXI this way to get all the other goodies it has to offer. Thanks!!
Awesome Video! Very useful thanks!
Great Tips! Thanks man
Awesome! Thanks!
That's why we use audio or MIDI triggers in ShaperBox or Kickstart 2 to avoid latency. But ironically, they introduce a lot of latency as well. I'm honestly tired of Ableton. It's more of a 'mouse-driven' software than a musician's tool. It completely killed the joy I used to feel playing my keyboard.
thank you...I always thought Ableton has some problems with audio recording and even switched to another daws just for recording purposes...turns out I was the problem🥲
Very helpful and informative. Thanks!
thanks !!
Thanks for sorting that out for me 😅
Thank you thank you thank you..big up!
Thanks A LOT, you're a great teacher, really
boooy, i watched a lot of videos but this time it really helped! thaaaank you
Yes!
FYI: Disabling "Keep Latency" does exactly the same to the recording as the "trick" with recording to a track that has Monitoring set to "Off" did. Exactly the same. In the video they made it sound way more confusing than it actually is.
That's what he demonstrated in the video
@@SoloElROY but they never state that it is the same and from their attempt at explaining the feature it also seems like they don't know it is the same.
Also later in the video they claim that "Keep Latency" button doesn't solve the issue of not having delay compensation applied when recording (they claim that all you need is the Ext. Instrument device) - which is totally not true. You need the button to disable "Keep Latency".
So for hardware being sequenced by an external sequencer, but getting clock from ableton it's better to use external instrument and set up another audio track with monitor off to record in? I'll have to try this. I have a template set up with audio in so I can monitor and "keep latency" off and as you are saying it does have the latency reported from my interface in the audio. I run at 64 sample, so it's a slight bit, but if I can eliminate it completely, that's pretty amazing.
Plugins handling in Ableton Live 12 (and all versions before) is a nightmare…issues with PDC and no sandbox environments around them making potential crashes inevitable. Live 12 live sets kept crashing a lot and 12.1 seems more stable…But the current issues with PDC + different handling of the compensation depending on the type of track used/routing makes the whole sets very hard to keep in sync, especially with external hardware instruments.
This info is soooo helpful
I was so hoping your external audio effect portion would help me out but alas, my system of Ableton Live 12, and Apollo 8 with Audient preamps connected via ADAT and being the clock source does not allow for it. The externally processed audio always comes in as too early, not as too late. I've messed with driver error compensation and done the tutorial several times. So wish that External Audio Effect could be the panacea it is for you, but it's not.
Great explanation! 👌
great video, great explanations, great guy, right ?
SIR,I think you are the only person worth askin about ableton stuff,people are so overthinking over mix and master stuff,and cubase and pro tools is called goat in that area,should i focus my career in learning in cubase instead of stayin in ableton? i want to work as music producer and also as someone who mix and master,but im not sure,if ableton can get the job done or not,and if not,why u and most people are using ableton? do you guys make song in fl or ableton,then mix in another daw? or all things done in just 1daw?
Happy Thanksgiving anthony!!
great vid. I know Ableton was designed around performing live that’s why the latency problems are still there. turning off plugins isn’t really turning them off.
but I wish there was a recording mode. in Logic you solve this by pressing just one button (low latency recording) it works 100% in super heavy projects and it’s been there for years.
I can’t get it how Ableton can’t solve this thing since the beginning
I noticed you didn’t address the latency dial in the external instrument plugin , I use this a ton because I have a lot of external hardness, I cannot get it rock solid without adjusting this dial, am I doing something wrong?
Heyyyy..... Finally the ultimate comprehensive guide to the black magic.
What would you actually recommend for the case of latency-whores inside one effect chain, as you mentioned it in chapter 7 at minute 22:15 ?
I guess you just have to route the signal after the time-consuming effect into another track, from where you can add the other effects in series afterwards.
The routing to another track should compensate this latency. And that is just possible because the plugins "tell" live their latency??!! Or doe's Live measure this?
In both cases, it should be theoretically possible to implement this at specific points in the chain.?!
Is the latency in devices like infiltrator always the same, or does it depend on the actual modules (presets) you use in it?
That would be the one issue I see, with "predicting/adding" latency compensation after each effect in one chain.
All I can say to this is that if the plugin exists anywhere in the signal chain, it will make the latency on every track in Ableton UNLESS “reduced latency while monitoring” is on. So the solution could be to remove the new track from that signal chain or to commit the offending tracks to audio.
@@SeedtoStage Yeah.. It will bring all tracks to the worst latency. But the delayed signal of the first half of the signal chain, should be in sync with the midi-actions, happening in the other track. But yeah.This scenario is very abstract. At least for me. But it was an eye opener, because I often have the feeling my songs sounding more and more washed out after some actions, I couldn't explain otherwise. Thx for this.
Great video!!! Im guessing the automation latency issue still exists as its time based?
@@Funkmastabuzz if you mean signal chains where there is a plugin with an lfo or sequencer is after a latency creating plugin, yes it’s still there and it still sucks! I called them out in this video and demonstrate it about 3/4 of the way through.
WOW the last part about delaying time-based effects. RIP 2024 music haha ty for this tip
Are those headphones the Arya Stealth?
I wish Ableton would have a low latency mode like Logic, where it would actively bypass any plugins that introduce heavy latency.
There is. Under Options Menu /Reduce Latency When Monitoring
@@osmancolak no, it's not the same. Try to reduce latency when monitoring with several CPU heavy plugins, and you will still have latency issues.