Nightforce Atacr 4-16 The Gold Standard
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Quick look at my time with the Nightforce Atacr 4-16 and what has made it my gold standard for scoped carbine.
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Almost feels like an intro to a Nacho Libre sequel....and that's very very high praise. Love the content! New sub.
Naaaachooooooooo!…much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it
more like a quentin tarantino film!
thanks!
This is the most well thought out and executed optic for scoped carbine/SPR gas guns period.
Love mine on my 18” criterion.
Every feature is purpose built for the shooter in the field.
You won’t find any features on it that some designer/marketing dept thinks will sell better.
I think with more competition in the market for optics, companies are doing a good job of listening to shooters and their wants/needs
@@jimmybrodriguez agreed. It’s a good trend to see.
There are still a few stubborn companies out there who could really put out some good stuff.. (looking at you 👀 Primary Arms and Leupold)
Literally just grabbed one of these yesterday for my 18" build. Thanks for the content.
This is the way!
@@jimmybrodriguez I’m also working on my 14.5 build. Do you still recommend the 1-8 ATACR or would a Vudu 1-10 be good too? That SR5 reticle looks like the DMX.
I would do the ATACR 1-8 over the 1-10 for the reasons mentioned in this video about erector size
@@jimmybrodriguez thanks man!
@@jimmybrodriguez Well my mom told me it’s not the size of your erector it’s how good you use it. 😂
Crispy visuals loving the editing in this
Thanks homie! I'm excited for more stuff I have coming
Best part about this is that this is the exact scope I have been looking to buy. Was already sold on it. Thank you for the review and selling me on it more!
Glad I could help. I think you'll love it
Great job sir. I have taking cues from all of your set ups and bettered myself and my rifle. Fun to watch your evolution as a creative and a shooter. Keep up the good work. Have a blessed day. 🙏🏽
Much appreciated. All of us are on a never ending journey of improvement
I have one on an 18" build, it's my favorite scope of the ones I own. Also side note, Nightforce has awesome customer service. When I first got my 4-16 I broke it due to a user error and NF fixed it and had it back to me within two weeks, and I only paid for shipping there. They were easy to work with and very communicative. They also fixed my friend's 4-16 that had a messed up elevation turret at no cost to him, even though it had been damaged by the previous owner and my friend wasn't the original buyer.
I've heard similar stories from others. My interaction with their team has been great as well.
I just sent back a new 5-25. They turned it around in two weeks, but they told me their current turnaround time is 6 weeks. They expedited mine because it was a factory defect. I also have a 4-16 and nxs 2.5-10. The 4-16 is so nice. The parallax adjustment is just so easy to adjust focus and take the parallax out. Better than any scope I've used, and it is better than the 5-25 atacr which I can't explain.
@@JackManiacky dude idk but there is something special about the 4-16. I had a similar experience going from a buddy's ATACR 7-36 back to my 4-16 and just thinking how there was a difference that I couldn't quite put my finger on.
I just got my 4-16 Mil XT today from my local shop. Ordered it back in March!
16 is actually a pretty high end magnification on a 5.56 gun where you'll actually be able to use the max setting and not be constantly thrown way off target from recoil. I bet this is a great SPR scope. Can't go wrong with Nightforce.
agreed it is fantastic
@@jimmybrodriguezI just bought a FN15 DMR 3 with a 18’ barrel. Do you think this scope is too much scope? I want to pair with an offset red dot
556 is not a lot of recoil…. I use 300 WM with a 5-25 and regular use 20x and if I do my job, I spot most of my shots. It does have a brake and a can, but it sure still slaps harder than any 556 gun
@@sphinx9517it fits it perfectly
Got one this year and the hype is legit. Wait for a good deal- they can be had sub 2000
With inflation…the sooner the better
Love the editing bro! That intro gives Quentin Tarantino vibes mixed with some Michael Bay haha well done!
This is quite possibly one of the greatest compliments I've received
@@jimmybrodriguez I’m a UA-camr myself, and just starting out, so I always like to show support to my fellow comrades haha; especially when the editing is great! Plus I’m always looking for other creative tactics I can feed off of, and borrow to add to my own arsenal (in a good humble way where I don’t take credit for it).
Also, I’ve been eyeballing a good SPR scope for awhile. Almost pulled the trigger on the new primary arms plx-c 1-8 that has parallax adjustment, capped turrets, and some other great features for an LPVO. But I think I’ll wait a little longer for now.
Not enough explosions 😂
haha unfortunately our explosion budget is very limited
I picked up one of these with a Tremor 3 after watching your video with Ridgeline and the rifle Alex was going over. I have no regrets.
Solid choice. You'll see a lot of NF 4-16s with the ridgeline guys
This was probably one of the most accurate and clear explanations of optical quality I've heard on youtube. Good job man.
I keep bouncing between the mk5 3.6-18, NF 4-16 or just to bite the bullet and get a ZCO 420. I really think you cant go wrong with the NF, though.
Just bought the Atacr 7-35. I feel comfortable saying I got what I paid for, great piece of glass.
Yeah their atacr line is awesome across the board from my experience
Perfect timing, I’ve been waiting for this one
Hope you enjoyed it
Ok, that settles it :) Was on a fence about Mil-XT, really wanted to see it on x4 and x16, and here you are, just showing it on a gun and with all magnifications. Thank you for your content and inspiration.
I have the 4-16 MIL-XT on my 16" rifle. Great reticle.
Yeah, mil xt remains my favorite
Was on the fence about getting one of these. Feel confident after watching this video. Good content
I have one. No regrets…but it is heavy and large.
Great video, great breakdown I’ve been eyeballing one of these for next seasons QP for exactly the reasons you’ve stated. Being able to self spot and make corrections vs guessing on my 1-8
Yessir. They both have their strengths and applications but the 4-16 is a new kind of fun for sure
4-16x are goated for 18" dmrs. Havent tried an atacr but the pa glx 4-16 is awesome and im sighting in an arken epl4 4-16 this weekend.
Waiting on my 18" to come in so I can slap this on there
@@jimmybrodriguez SOLGW?
@@EverythingisFire yessir
I mounted this model scope on a M65 6.5x55 swedish mauser. I took an elk at 900 yards.. on a full run through the trees. The elk was running too.
The setup bit was a nice touch
Glad you liked it, its more fun this way
I still don’t know squat about distance shooting but thanks for using photography words to help me understand😂 really digging the new editing style 🤝🏽
te amo papi. Also congrats again papa
Ahh yess, thank you for the confirmation bias haha love mine
Haha glad I could be of service
Recently got an attacr 1-8 and can attest to the durability as my friend dropped my 308 from a short distance onto concrete and it got scuffed a bit but nothing major. Having come from some low and mid grade vortex scopes, the difference is stark.
But, like you said, everyone has a different needs from their optics and mine were decenct magnification for at least 400 meters, high durability, and red dot bright illumination.
They will definitely take some abuse
I think their 1-8 ATACR and 1-8 NX8 are the only red dot bright offerings they have. I have other NF scopes and the illumination is just seriously lacking. Looks GREAT in a brick and mortar store though. Bright enough to make one believe it would be excellent in the field.
@@MochiMoose Thanks for the heads up. I've got the nx8 too, so I would have assumed they were all that bright. I guess I wouldn't care about that brightness in a higher mag scope though. Maybe that is their reasoning.
You make the best videos! I love all your guns and setups.
The shots were so good I had to pause and rewind.
I'm trying to incorporate more of it
I agree, it's one of my top three favorite scopes at the moment, so much so that I have three of them on different guns. The only thing that would make it better is if it were 2-4oz. lighter, 1" shorter and had a range 3-18x but I am just making a wish list for the perfect optic.
The shorter and lighter is what i've heard from a couple guys
Summed up all my thoughts on the ATACR 4-16 to a T. My absolute favorite glass. The size and weight are no concern for me either.
Great minds.
Picked up the new nx8 1-8 fcdmx. I think it decent glass for the weight and FFP reticle it runs with. Not as clear as the vortex razor, but not a huge deal considering all the other positives it brings to the table. I don’t think I’ll get any other glass mfg going forward besides NF
Goals, wants, needs. We all want these. Trying to afford a set up like this in this economy is another story.
We are all feeling this economy
I use the same exact scope on an 18” rifle for the IWI gas gun comps and 2-gun comps. I think it is the near perfect scope for an AR.
I tried the top mounted dot at my last 2-gun comp and it absolutely sucked. I use a 1.93” scope mount and an offset that is also 1.93” in height so when I rotate to the offset, they are the same height.
I might eventually get a 14.5” barrel, but I’ll still keep the same optics because this setup is nearly perfect. The price is a con, but I don’t mind the weight because I use the Criterion Core Barrel.
Yeah top dot on a 1.93 is way up there, i'd go offset too
Been doing my research and I'm leaning very hard into this scope for my SR25.
Awesome video! I’ve been on the Nightforce train looking for a scope and I’m glad to hear of your experience with the 4-16. Just a quick question, what do you think of Schmidt & Bender scopes? I’ve also been looking at their 3-20 PM II ultra short scope. My goals in using the scope are similar to yours.
Costa Defense speaks very highly of them, but I have not personally used them so I would hit him up about it.
Everybody here needs email NF and ask for a 4-16 in FDE… make them hear us!
I support this movement
Love me some of that purchase validation
Its the little things in life lol
Love the Wes Anderson vibes
It was fun doing it. I want to make content more enjoyable to watch. I feel like a lot of it has started to look the same.
I appreciated the technical breakdown about clarity, sharpness, etc. Great video
My goal is to educate, not try to sell you on something so if this optic isn't for you at least the information will help you make an educated purchase
Great optic, until you go to reset the ‘Zero-Hold’(NOT A ZERO STOP) to a factory setting, and the elevation turret locks up.
Mine is on its 3rd trip back to nightforce. And will be sold when it comes back.
Also the users manual is extremely vague on the process to do this.
Interesting that you have had the same issue 3 times, i'd like to hear more. What has been NFs response?
they have a video on how to do it but it is older
The first time was my fault, removed the four small set screws below the elevation cap. My fault. Elevation turret froze in place.
The second time I moved the optic to a different rifle needing a different 0 and followed the instructions to the letter. Elevation turret froze in place.
Third time I put the optic back on the original rifle with a new barrel.. and ran into the same issue..
I will say to NFs credit, they got right on the issues and had an RMA labels in my inbox while I was on the phone. Turn around on the RMA process was about a month and change. At no cost to me.
I’ve run a handful of their ATACR line up.. the 4-16 was problem child.. purely for that issue alone. Fantastic optic otherwise.
Conversely on Leupold’s MK5 series the zero-stop is easy to reset and is a smidge lower in glass quality at almost 1000 less.
@@jimmybrodriguezit’s also important to note the 4-16 and a few other their other optics, there’s a difference between the ‘zero-hold’ and the ‘zero-stop’ systems. There’s different processes to each system.
I would really like to have a 4-16 ATACR, but I may just keep saving for the new Kahles 3.5-28. To me, that seems to be the best option available given the huge FOV and optic quality. The only downside is the insane price.
If you go that route I'm interested to hear your experience
Atacr 4-16X 50MM checking in! I do like the controls on my kahles a tad more, though.
I really did not need this video to drop while im sitting here trying to decide what to put on my Ridgeline rifle 😂
This optic with that rifle is a tough combo to beat
@@jimmybrodriguez absolutely! Mines consistently between .5 and .75 with sig 77gr
*English rap starts playing*
Me:*pauses, mutes and continues until I see Jim sitting and talking about the scope*
fair and noted
Haven’t looked through one of these but I had zero issues shooting 1040yd yesterday with a 18” 556 and a leupold mk5hd 3-18 at 13power zoom. AAC 77gr at 2650fps more than enough magnification
I've got a video coming the MK5 too, its a solid option
It's a fine optic indeed. Wasn't the perfect optic for me as I wanted a lower min magnification in a shorter lighter package. I went to the March FX 1.5-15 DFP and have no desire to swap to anything else that's currently on the market. It doesn't compete with the NF-A at max mag, but I find it still plenty usable. The TR-2B reticle is also by far my favorite I've used, but it isn't a fine as that NF-A that you like.
Hey Jimmy, quick question for ya, know you’re using the SOLGW recently, thoughts on that vs Cobalt? Interested in Cobalt, especially with the upcoming Ambi lower.
Out of the box the SOLGW is the way for me with their precision barrel. I do still like the stuff from Cobalt-Aaron and Mikey are working hard over there to keep improving the product. I'm really interested to see what they've got coming in the ambit lower and new barrels. Either of those two are great options and can't really go wrong.
Been saving up past several months, avoiding unnecessary temptations, while contemplating on either the NF Atacr 4-16x42 or Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44. Settled and purchased this exact optic & reticle. Great to see this video, I feel more confident in my choice.
Currently using the Badger Ordnance C1 mount for my lpvo, I like it so planning order one for the NF Atacr. Any other mount recommendations?
How do you like your FCD charging handle? I’m a lefty so haven’t ventured out yet from Radian Raptors and G$ ACH’s.
FCD is my favorite, then radian then geissele
More Scope then the 5.56 bullet needs. With a 200 grain 300WM then it would fit right in. But its a very good scope. $2,500 at Optics Planet.
Thank you.
of course!
I sold mine now I regret it so much😢😢 im gonna buy another though. Its that good
I’ve heard a couple people do the same thing
@@jimmybrodriguez right. No worries im just gonna do it better. Gonna get the adm delta mount instead of recon, and gonna pair it with a new bcm 18” upper. Then im never sellin that thing
Thank you 🙏
Any time!
The illumination in the worst part of the ATACR, mushy button you gotta press a buncha times to change. Don’t see why they can’t implement a proper illumination knob like everyone else does. Their system feels like something off an Amazon special air soft scope.
Other than that, I really like my 4-16.
Yeah, it's not as good as the 1-8, but I don't really use it so I haven't noticed it as much.
IT SHOCKS ME that the Razor LHT 4.5-22 (weighing only 21oz) isn't WILDLY popular in the SPR/Scoped Carbine world.
1. Full warranty. When you rifle does the inevitable cartwheel off the bag, which happens with most top heavy rifles, no problem....completely covered. That said, NF builds tanks, so who knows maybe it won't break, but peace of mind is a beautiful thing.
2. Did I mention it is only 21oz? 1/3 less weight than the NF
3. NF probably has better glass (not compared to the Gen 3 Razor, but probably the LHT) but not by much
In fairness, the NF is a better scope in terms of turrets, build, fit n finish, etc. But the mere WEIGHT savings with the LHT should skyrocket its popularity!!
You also pay nearly 2x as much for the NF
How about the illumination? Is it daylight bright?
See you are using the PSR 5, what are your thoughts….. been kicking around the PSR 7. I like reflex cans, looking to put on a 6.5 CM gas gun
I've really enjoyed it so far, don't feel like I have enough grounds or knowledge to give a definitive answer but for what its worth I don't really have anything negative to say.
If yall were to build out an upper around this optic suppressed, would you guys go 18 or 16?
18" is my plan just waiting for it to be done
Always the dopest content jimmy 🤙
Currently too poor for Nightforce. But working on that lol
appreciate it. It's worth the wait. Ive wanted this optic for a couple years
Great video, thank you!
Jimmy, question on the Mil XT reticle, did you do a 50 yard Zero or a 100 yard zero off your center aiming point? I’m looking at this scope for my Noveske 16” SPR running a Vudu 1-10x28 MRAD reticle. But I think I should have gone Nightforce. Keep up the great videos from ATX.
I really wanted a Leupold 3-18, but I've been leaning towards this one instead.
between those two options I'd go 4-16.
Atacr for overall IQ. The MK5 for weight. Both work well in 1.5 and lower mounts
Out of curiosity, how much does your rifle weight?
Not sure, I don't weigh my rifles. It's one of those things I build it out and it is what it is. I don't think about it much. Maybe I'll weigh it once the 18" comes in
I'm curious about your rifle weights as well
Curious why you went with 0moa mount? Cause supplied with scope or? I thought on gas guns the way was always 20moa mounts for additional elevation?
I've not hear that, but I think that largely depends on your application and what distances you're trying to shoot at. 0moa is the way for me across the board and makes it easier to translate no matter which gun i'm using.
Would love to get one if they weren't more expensive then the khales k318i or steiner t5xi 3-15 where I live
Would you put this on a AR10 or opt for higher power?
Where did you get this optic, in that color??? Its awesome!
Iray thermal being a RH25? That's an interesting combination as 4x is as low as you can go with the 4-16 and the RH25 doesn't lend itself to be a "long range" thermal. Can't wait for the video as I quite like my PFN-640+ (more as a do all optic and not as a dedicated clip on).
Not an rh25
How often do you shoot between 10-16x? Also if your goals were limited to 700 would the Mark 5 2-10x be a good buy? Any more insight on their new reticle?
Yo my friend I’m in Dallas and really wanting to get into long range shooting and scoped carbine. Any advice on where to start? I’ve been trying to find someone with land to shoot for a decade now. Just ordered ATACR 4-16 🤘🏼
I just bought a FN15 DMR 3 with a 18’ barrel. Do you think this scope is too much scope? I want to pair with an offset red dot
HOw are you liking the CFS? Can you compare it to the mark 4?
So far so good. It's been great out of the box. I'll do a video on it later when ive had more time with it. I'll try to compare it with the mk4 if its back from repair in time.
All roads lead to the razor 1-10 and the 4-16 Atacr, I refuse to elaborate.
Bold lol. It was the reticle in the 1-10 that really bothered me.
@@jimmybrodriguezfor Quantified performance GP division the 1-10 razor is the best optic in the game imo. But for a traditional rifle scope, the 4-16 atacr is just too damn good, affordable,nice turrets and the Mil-xt reticle is fantastic.
@@submoa9278 lots of good guys in GP using it. I could see the benefits of the bigger dot in matches for sure.
What’s the rifle you got it on? Would love to hear about it.
It's in the intro. Just a test rifle until my 18" is done
Do you think you would still buy your Atacr 1-8 again? If so why?
Yes, different applications. I've got a follow up video comparing the two coming down the road
Hello everyone, poor here; I like the arken 4-16x50 for a cheaper version of this
What about the the slightly bigger brother and a 5x erector the 4-20? Just as good with a little higher top end?
I'd maybe use that on a large frame gas gun or bolt gun. Not a fan for a small frame.
It tunnels at low power, so calling it a 5x erector is a bit of a stretch. It's basically a 5-20. Same thing happens on all the other high power atacrs. The 5-25 is actually a 6.5-25. So just decide I you're OK without 4x on the low end, the size, and no locking turret. I think the 4-16 is the best of the bunch.
Just curious if you normally run a bubble level on your scope or rifle? Didn’t see one on your rifle set up this video.
I have and MDT digital one that I swap between guns. I don't use it all the time.
where'd you get the weird color raid?
TAG Firearms. It was one of the first on the market
This is what I need on my 18 inch.
My longterm plan is to put it on an 18" too
The intro to this video has immaculate vibes.
@Spessforce more like it on the way
So will you be able to dial for Speed drop?
Yes
Ok cool now tell them to make it in tan
Listen, if I had that kind of pull i'd have a tan one already lol
💪
What I gathered from this video. Size doesn’t matter to Jimmy but he can take a big erector. Tight.
Hella tight…wait what. hahaha
Hate to say it but someone is curating these comments. I’ve had multiple deleted.
🤷🏾♂️your guess is as good as mine
What barrel length is that rifle? A 16 or 18?
16"
6 erector size is average, just as good as 10 erector
Honestly, some might even say 6 is above average
Can’t wait to tell my GF that my smaller erector size is actually better and causes less strain!
Regret selling mine 😭
Pain. Thankfully I talked a buddy out of selling his. He had a moment of weakness.
Man start doing more videos on your guns again those are the vidoes people wonted to see that got all the veiws we won’t to see rifles and parts used
Vudu 1-10 SR5
good option for some but not for me
Great info on SPR scopes, but very poor finacial advice... 😂
Aus would save him weight
Still find it super weird how you said you loved the vortex Gen 3 1-10 equally to your ATACR 1-8 and then it was never seen again. Really odd, that. I guess your word as a man does have a price. Didn’t want to lose access to free vortex products. I’m honestly getting to the point that I’m going to make reviews because I don’t want free shit, I am gainfully employed and make 135k a year. Not rich, but I can afford what I want to buy. I feel like none of you self-interested “please sponsor me” guys have integrity meaning anything.
In the comparison video I did of the two there is whole section on the two things that I didn’t like about the razor. One of those is solely personal preference. As I focused more on shooting and getting better as a shooter, I like shooting the same thing over and over, so even though both are good optics I picked one and I picked the one that suited my preference. I don’t need 3 lpvos that all do the same thing so I got rid of my 1-10 and I also got rid of my black atacr 1-8.
Additionally, you should definitely do reviews, the larger the dataset consumers have the better educated decisions they can make.
Too big and heavy. NXS 2.5-10x24 instead 🤙
is this a joke? these aren’t even remotely in the same class😂
Do you have an aversion to reviewing entry or mid level products? Most items we see here (NF, RRS, Staccato, MDT, Leupold, Wilcox, etc) are completely beyond most folks budget. It’s cool to see “influencers” jumping into training oriented videos more, but it’s funny when someone like Lucas Botkin encourages people to get into precision shooting… and then uses a $5K Remington rifle where only 3 exist. Just food for thought.
This isn’t airsoft bro, these are serious tools
He is chronicling his shooting experience, not doing exclusively product reviews. Besides, everyone prefers to watch the Porsche review to the Toyota review anyways, despite the value of both.
No aversion to reviewing entry or mid level, but it presents 2 problems: 1. The review would be filled with all the ways it falls short, 2. I don't feel it's worth recommending something that i feel will end up costing you more in the long run. I've wanted this optic for almost 2 years and am just now reviewing it. Additionally, I spend more on ammo than I do on gear, everyone's budget is relative, which is why I try to educate during the reviews so that you can apply the information as needed to your own purchases.
Cost of entry is one the reasons I don't recommend bolt gun and haven't done a lot of content on it. I think that for those that want to learn the skill, scoped carbine is a much better route and more cost effective. So I do take into account other people's budget but again budget is relative.
They get most of this stuff at significant discount/free. There's no reason you can't get into long range on a budget - just don't get your gear advice from "influencers". Sure, the cheaper stuff isn't going to be "just as good" like everyone says, but there's absolutely no reason you need to drop a ton of money to start. Use guy's like Jimmy's videos on training tips to help your training and get an understanding of the process, but would take gear recommendations with a grain of salt. Check out Warrior Poet Society's collab with Ryan Cleckner for beginner long range stuff. Ryan is super down to earth and knowledgeable. I love his stuff.
@Merk21 yes, you can 100% learn the skill with cheaper stuff, but it will cost you in the long run which is a choice everyone has to make for themselves. I don't recommend gear that i haven't spent money my self or wouldn't spend money on. That is one of the reasons I don't do a ton of reviews and tend to shoot the same stuff for a while.
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