Some Old School Karate Throws
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2018
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In this video we look at some “old school” karate throws. These throws were included in karate texts during the 1920s and 30s (along with many others):
“Topple a Folding Screen” - Funakoshi, 1935
“Half Wheel” - Funakoshi, 1935
“Throat Press” - Funakoshi, 1925
“Stomping Throw” - Itoman, 1934
“Leg Pick” - Itoman, 1934; Mabuni, 1938
While throwing techniques are not practised as widely as they were in the past, we would be wise to consider the words of Shigeru Egami (a student of Gichin Funakoshi), “There are also throwing techniques in karate… Throwing techniques were practised in my day, and I recommend that you reconsider them.”
All the best,
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What I see in the western mode of martial arts teaching is the sports version No practical explanation, no applications, no bunkai. Thanks for your efforts and teaching us useful information.
Love the throws! I can see a Bubishi influence there in the last one. Funakoshi's throws are usually quite elegant and efficient but take practice to do. It works very well when I connect them with striking rather than direct grappling.
As usual you have provide great content to contribute to the ongoing growth of real karate.Thank you Brother Abernathy
That leg hook is very similar to a technique shown in the first black belt form in Taekwondo. The founder of Chung Do Kwon Taekwondo was originally trained in Shotokan.
Very very interesting. I will try to keep them in my mind
Excellent video and detailed explanation of old school karate throws! Well done guys👍🏽
Amazing throws, thanks Ian.
love to see you utilise that lead hook in karate, so many karate practitioners only throw straight punches. Not realising the utility and power a lead hook can deliver, great video man.
Really love your videos. Thank you so much.
Excellent stuff
Nice :-) Especially loved the 2 low block takedown :-)
Always such a joy to see real practical Bunkai.
Great video as usual.
I was particularly impressed by the second throw (neck press+leg lift). In my opinion, this is a more than valid interpretation of the sequence in Jitte (Shotokan), with the two open hand.
Basically you extend one arm in "shuto" (entering the guard, or blocking a hook checking the opponent shoulder), then one arm goes low (lowers the guard) the other one high (push the throat). Using the foot we "scoop" the opponents one up,to help pick up the leg.
Finally, we either lift the leg upwards and push, or rotate like in the video (ending in manji uke).
When I was watching the video, immediately that sequence made sense.
Obviously, just a random thought on my side.
Even if my personal intepretation is for sure debatable, and may not make sense to others, I still cannot thank enough people like Ian. He "triggers" our curiosity and pushes us karateka into questioning and finding sense, in movements that sometimes are repeated blindly.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🙏🙏
Beautiful channel and Karate⚘👍
Loved it : )
The 2nd throw is a judo throw called kibisu gaeshi
Great video
I do okinawan kenpo and we do Japanese jj so I love these
Proper names: Osoto gari, Kibisu Gaeshi (maybe), kuchiki taoshi, osoto guruma, and this last one i can't recall but it's the use of Tetsui uchi (fist) or Yoko Empi Uchi (elbow) as a trigger for an ashi waza throw.
That’s certainly what they would call them in judo, but I would question if they are the only “proper names”. Judo terminology tends to be dominant these days, but the exact same throws go by other names in old-school karate (varying from instructor to instructor), pre-judo-jujutsu (again, varying from style to style), wresting, etc. I do occasionally get told I have the names “wrong” when using alternative or older names, but that’s only because of the fact judo’s terminology is dominant today. When discussing the throws taught by given past masters - as I am doing in this video - my preference is to stick with what they personally called those thows; as opposed to “translating” into modern judo terminology. That seems to be more historically accurate and appropriate to me. Ultimately, when discussing function, it does not matter what people call them. As I like to occasionally remind people, “No one ever won a fight with terminology.” To quote Shakespear, “What’s in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”
Most of this looks like Chinese Shuai Chiao to me. Honestly though, these are common in most Chinese styles.
I'm not a karate practicioner myself, but practiced judo for a long time. We have similar throws in judo, here you have the japanese names of the techniques they used :)
1 Osoto gari 0:40 ua-cam.com/video/93YEMueeF24/v-deo.html
3 Kibisu gaeshi 2:04 ua-cam.com/video/3LLBrF4w86Q/v-deo.html
2 Ouchi gari 2:42 ua-cam.com/video/BuVKMJSneFk/v-deo.html
4 Te guruma 3:10 ua-cam.com/video/P-4HUgB_rK4/v-deo.html
5 Sasae Tsurikomi ashi 3:48 ua-cam.com/video/MiGljHOokvE/v-deo.html
6 Sukui nage 5:20 ua-cam.com/video/sn13Bu3bxHE/v-deo.html
That's great! Thaks of adding that!
same in folk style wresting in the US, all the throws in this video are used
Thanks Sensei! i got idea to your Bunkai! Osu!
What's the Japanese name for that last throw?It reminds of "Tiger pulling down a boar",from the Bubishi diagram No.11.Best regards Sensei and respect for your tremendous effort in teaching the beautiful art of Karate.
I think I just learned more about entry into throws from this video than I did in 2 years of judo.
Then you did something very wrong.
Your Judo instructor failed you.
"Never gonna work.", except that it is done that way successfully in world championship Judo.
You are right. You do indeed see it “done that way successfully in world championship Judo.” The fact that world level grapplers can do it does not mean it’s a good idea for those not at that level. They would be the exception that proves the rule. For most people it’s way better to stick to the basics than attempt the highly advanced or elaborate. The reason being that such advanced and elaborate methods will never work for all but the elite. Right after the bit you quoted, I went on to say, “… unless I manage to hop over here. Which is pretty elaborate.” We non-world level judoka need the simplest methods and the simplest line of kuzushi. The advanced stuff will never work for all but the advanced. I hope that clarifies.
Are any of these found in Shito-ryu? I am attending a Shito-Ryu school (having year of training in other systems, but enjoying the Japanese cultural aspects) I feel like many "Japanese" schools have missed the point of the systems founding principles.
Is this wado ryu?
Where can we see these throws in old Karate footage? Did you get them from a book or video, or are you extrapolating them from a certain old Kata? One of the last ones reminds me of the open hand "slap" technique in Niahanchi, but not exactly.
The text for the video tells where they can all be found. I hope that helps.
@@practicalkatabunkai Ah! Didn't see that. Thanks.
@@nicholasflamel1134 My pleasure!
The first throw doesn't work because it's a 50/50 position and when you step closer to them you give them better control so you're more likely to get thrown than them. If you do an arm drag and pin the arm at the side then they have no means to do the same movement to you and the throw then becomes practical. Just a little tip I've found to work when sparring with guys +20kg heavier than me. I've tried it without the variation against bigger guys and it's always me getting thrown lol
Very confused by this comment. On the reaping throw you have a better grip and better posture (you are leaning forward and down on the opponent’s arm, which causes them to lean backward). People use it all the time. Indeed, I would say it is one of the simplest to pull off. Totally agree it can be done with the arm across and that has advantages if you get that postion. However, the core methods is simple enough and definately works. We see it used loads.
After watching Karate videos on UA-cam for a few days, It seems to me all the good Karate schools are in Great Britain, not The United States.
Me after the video: Broooooother?
In the first throw. I learned that throw when I was in judo
it seems like Karate is Judo but with punching and kicking! :D
actually it all started at the shaolin Temle where the original Kung fu then called Gong Fu had every aspect of the martial arts included in its original system. As the Preists of Kung Fu left the monestary they taught their own versions of the art. And the grappling aspect was usually left out. There are various theories as to why. In my humble opinion the grappling was left out because it was the most difficult to not only convey but to practice daily. The best to all of you and keep training
@@YllwNinja82 yes, also Judo is Karate but with punching and striking. The original variants of both arts had both striking and grappling, but the modernizations led to specialization. Look at Iain Abernethy's video about the common origins myth!
I came here because of Cobra Kai :D
Japanese names for these throws? Osu🥋
They vary from instructor to instructor in the older texts. They also use the names inconsistently i.e. Funakoshi changes the names for some of the throws between texts. A further problem is that many karateka have adopted the terminology used in modern judo, which is again different from the any of the various names used in the karate texts. This is why whenever I use an older karate term, there is often someone telling me I have the name “wrong” :-)
SO ORIGINAL, real karate OSU, Japanese destroyed karate....