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Well, I have never heard it explained like this, but that throw was 100% what we do in Goju-Ryu. And yes, when done well, it feels effortless to the thrower and soft to the throwee (in a class situation, where we are being nice to our classmates). If you really push the throwee down, though, it can be as rough a landing as you like.
@@KarateDojowaKu No, it's not just my school. "Takedowns" are a standard feature of Goju. Pretty much all our two-man exercises end up with the "attacker" on the floor.
As a judoka and a karateka, the only time when power helps with throwing is when you are trying to throw someone who is also trying to throw you. And even then, it becomes more of who can capitalise on kuzushi of the other player. As a player who is north of 130kg, I have been tossed without power by players half my weight. His "falling" is what is breaking your balance to complete the osota gari. In judo, we are "walking" into the uke as part of breaking balance to reap the supporting leg to complete the throw. De ashi harai and okuirashi harai are two prime examples of throws that require little power. I mean, the Gyoko No Waza is full of throws that truly only require kuzushi to complete.
In Bagua/Taichi there are a lot of takedowns and throws that rely on subtle use of angles, connecting your body weight to your opponents, and using your structure to penetrate thru the opponent without giving away your intent with force. Of course there is the element of Ki/Chi in internal arts but without the body structure and technique it's not enough.
i think the point he is making is that when he lifts his right leg off he ground he doesn't first push his body weight onto his left foot to maintain balance, he just lifts it up so immediately one of the force vectors is from gravity pushing to the right, which apparently helps with the throw. I think it helps with the throw because the receiver feels the push (from gravity) onto HIS left foot and compensates by pushing the other way but, bonzo, his right leg has been swept and he creates his own fall
Being an aikido practioner myself, the concepts seem fairly similar, with the main difference that most lines of aikido don't practice much, if any techniques where shite/tori/nage directly uses his own feet to trip, sweep, or kick. However, we do practice being in off-balance situations to a large extent (usually in the roll of uke). To build confidence in the namigaeshi movement, I would recommend initially practicing it with a slow enough movement where you feel like you are actually going to fall in the direction you removed your foot, then only catch yourself just-in-time. Yes, your stance will be tilted at the end of the movement, but the point isn't to look good, it is to gain confidence in the off-balance feeling. Gradually speed up your foot movement as you gain confidence in feeling temporarily off-balance. If you can practice over judo/aikido style mats, you can try to press your limit on this a bit more, and allow yourself to occasionally fall (without being too worried that the fall is going to hurt).
From my training and Okinawan karate, that throw is performed by back kicking behind the knee above fibula head at a 45° angle. At full force it will tear ligaments and dislocate the knee. Kansetsu-geri
Isn't this the concept "ai" (blending/harmony) in aikido? It's taking advantage of that "momentary unstable connectedness" and use it to your advantage.
My brother thought me this throw, the "head and arm throw" ( I will attach a link to a good demonstration on UA-cam at the end of this comment ) and when followed through wrenching the head and arm like in the video the summation or choke out is possible , but the throw dose not require a lot of power and the exaction is pretty forgiving as long as you use your hip to bring the opponents feet off the ground, then it's a twist/tuck and roll , a lot of power can also be used , but I prefer to save my power for the follow through applying presser with my bicep and a pulling up and leaning into a slight twist of the locked arm and head and neck of the opponent. when pressure is applied correctly my arm stops blood flow to the brain from one side of the neck while the arm of the opponent is pressed hard against the other side stopping blood as well if held long enough the opponent will loose conciseness or in practice/training if they do not submit, a well trained grappler will know that this throw can end up in a summation so you must be swift to get your body in a position that their free limbs can not aid them in forcing your grip and control to fail . this video covers the throw and ground control , never mind the demonstrator's builds , if done correctly a teenage boy can throw someone almost 2x's their weight ,though they likely would not be able to control them on the ground , though there is always a chance if you apply your training . URL: ua-cam.com/video/Z2B8Fa4bSzYt/v-deo.htmleqneke
As I understand it as well, one of the main ancestor art for Kano's Judo was "Kito Ryu"? Apparently, Kito Ryu's style relied heavily on strong hips and legs. The problem is that it turns into a more physically-reliant art instead of physics and biomechanics.
I have a thought, being faced by several stackers, is a tricky one, a good marshall artist is under Great stress to Handel it. A good throw is great, but a all stress can happen. thank you.
These kind of throwing that looks like sacrifice of balance probably from the judo grammar ('sutemi wasa' kind?). 'Tori' has to use his whole weight hung himself under 'uke'. 'Tori' use both strenghts: inertia of his own body hung and the right force in a rotative trajectory on himeself. This projection is not so intuitive, however it's simple. In MMA cases of uses, that can be easily followed by 'avalanche', due to the half-time of advance on a possible ground and pound. Very usable, sacrifice in a way, but for a high level of success for the goal targeted. Crispy remark: 'Personne' might just have been in debt to a cheep among many others, for a cunning, even if it should have been more human, insteed of beleveing it was a 'watchdog'. 'Control par U lisse' done, the Ulysse's situation was anyway, much more risky without it. Then, Polyphemus was for one more really good reason, unable to see beyond a teaching stereogram.
@@KarateDojowaKuThere are many throw names yes, some are the same names and very similar to Judo, such as Tani Otoshi. However, in the entire art the use of body movement (Taijutsu) instead of muscle movements are prioritized. Punching/kicking, everything is done using Taijutsu
@@KarateDojowaKu In the example in this video, the closest would be osoto gake. It's about creating kuzushi by an advancing step that unbalances uke at the shoulder which allows for the sweep through sinking down as you complete your forward step. The key aspect is to make the spine go backwards using the biomechanics of you taking a step forwards as if falling forwards by utilizing your bodyweight, and then by straightening the advancing leg that is now behind uke's leg combined with a pushing motion at the shoulder by leaning forward, you create a push/pull motion as your shoulder goes forward, while your straightening of the leg pushes back. There are henka/variations to this, such as forcefully kicking the leg to create a more sudden drop, more of an otoshi, and you can also pull uke's arm out to the side to take his balance and put all his weight on the leg you're about to sweep. Plenty of details to do into. It's simple biomechanics and physics. Bujinkan people like to try to make it sound special with "body movement" or "natural movement" and make it sound like we're doing it differently than other styles, but it's honestly just aikijutsu.
I still havent watched this video carefully, but i can not see the difference with judo osotogari. Yes, judo osotogari need power for kuzushi, but almost similar. The most powerless throw that I know is judo ouchigari, because we don't have to back our opponent, just take his leg inside out. If we can take his leg inside out and pull our opponent bodyweight circularly with our body as Axis/ center of the circle (just like ballet), maybe we even don't have to grab our opponent body or gi and do kuzushi. Our opponent fall down easily, cmiiw
Yusuke brilliant on close-range combat it is true that overused Force isn't required in every form of fighting through adaptation reading the enemy's every single move hearing it it is very possible to make them use their own momentum against them and trip themselves well done be well you're on the right track and Don't Stray from the path legendary greatness awaits
@@KarateDojowaKu quite right. Still a great technique for a smaller/weaker person. I forget the Japanese terminology for the offbalancing stage. I think this requires less force than tai otoshi.
Nah, don't buy it. He demonstrated one way and then changed it when he executed the throw, reverting back to basic Judo principles. Also, have to see it in randori, which is a completely different reality than someone just standing there cooperating.
It may look like that but i think the point he is making is that when he lifts his right leg off he ground he doesn't first push his body weight onto his left foot to maintain balance, he just lifts it up so immediately one of the force vectors is from gravity pushing to the right, which apparently helps with the throw. I think it helps with the throw because the receiver feels the push (from gravity) onto HIS left foot and compensates by pushing the other way but, bonzo, his right leg has been swept and he creates his own fall
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Well, I have never heard it explained like this, but that throw was 100% what we do in Goju-Ryu. And yes, when done well, it feels effortless to the thrower and soft to the throwee (in a class situation, where we are being nice to our classmates). If you really push the throwee down, though, it can be as rough a landing as you like.
Oh I didn't know Goju does it. Do you think it's just your school?@@BLenz-114
judo, maybe. like in some otoshi throws where you "drop" yourself to throw.
@@KarateDojowaKu No, it's not just my school. "Takedowns" are a standard feature of Goju. Pretty much all our two-man exercises end up with the "attacker" on the floor.
Also, at 4:30 in this video
ua-cam.com/video/swSeXjZZAX4/v-deo.html
That's another throw we do in Goju.
As a judoka and a karateka, the only time when power helps with throwing is when you are trying to throw someone who is also trying to throw you. And even then, it becomes more of who can capitalise on kuzushi of the other player. As a player who is north of 130kg, I have been tossed without power by players half my weight. His "falling" is what is breaking your balance to complete the osota gari. In judo, we are "walking" into the uke as part of breaking balance to reap the supporting leg to complete the throw. De ashi harai and okuirashi harai are two prime examples of throws that require little power. I mean, the Gyoko No Waza is full of throws that truly only require kuzushi to complete.
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In Bagua/Taichi there are a lot of takedowns and throws that rely on subtle use of angles, connecting your body weight to your opponents, and using your structure to penetrate thru the opponent without giving away your intent with force. Of course there is the element of Ki/Chi in internal arts but without the body structure and technique it's not enough.
i think the point he is making is that when he lifts his right leg off he ground he doesn't first push his body weight onto his left foot to maintain balance, he just lifts it up so immediately one of the force vectors is from gravity pushing to the right, which apparently helps with the throw.
I think it helps with the throw because the receiver feels the push (from gravity) onto HIS left foot and compensates by pushing the other way but, bonzo, his right leg has been swept and he creates his own fall
Thank you for your videos.
No problem!
this throw reminds me of when someone falls, and ther people try to catch them but they end up falling too
Ahhh! Great one!
Being an aikido practioner myself, the concepts seem fairly similar, with the main difference that most lines of aikido don't practice much, if any techniques where shite/tori/nage directly uses his own feet to trip, sweep, or kick. However, we do practice being in off-balance situations to a large extent (usually in the roll of uke). To build confidence in the namigaeshi movement, I would recommend initially practicing it with a slow enough movement where you feel like you are actually going to fall in the direction you removed your foot, then only catch yourself just-in-time. Yes, your stance will be tilted at the end of the movement, but the point isn't to look good, it is to gain confidence in the off-balance feeling. Gradually speed up your foot movement as you gain confidence in feeling temporarily off-balance.
If you can practice over judo/aikido style mats, you can try to press your limit on this a bit more, and allow yourself to occasionally fall (without being too worried that the fall is going to hurt).
Incredible technique. And I rly loved the philosophy bit that imbues it. I'm definitely gonna practice it!
Nice! Do you do karate?
@@KarateDojowaKu yep, I started doing karate shotokan this year
From my training and Okinawan karate, that throw is performed by back kicking behind the knee above fibula head at a 45° angle. At full force it will tear ligaments and dislocate the knee. Kansetsu-geri
Isn't this the concept "ai" (blending/harmony) in aikido? It's taking advantage of that "momentary unstable connectedness" and use it to your advantage.
Exactly. The mentioned theory of blending together behind that throw is nothing else but - Aikido.
Haha you guys noticed@@andanyan
My brother thought me this throw, the "head and arm throw" ( I will attach a link to a good demonstration on UA-cam at the end of this comment ) and when followed through wrenching the head and arm like in the video the summation or choke out is possible , but the throw dose not require a lot of power and the exaction is pretty forgiving as long as you use your hip to bring the opponents feet off the ground, then it's a twist/tuck and roll , a lot of power can also be used , but I prefer to save my power for the follow through applying presser with my bicep and a pulling up and leaning into a slight twist of the locked arm and head and neck of the opponent. when pressure is applied correctly my arm stops blood flow to the brain from one side of the neck while the arm of the opponent is pressed hard against the other side stopping blood as well if held long enough the opponent will loose conciseness or in practice/training if they do not submit, a well trained grappler will know that this throw can end up in a summation so you must be swift to get your body in a position that their free limbs can not aid them in forcing your grip and control to fail . this video covers the throw and ground control , never mind the demonstrator's builds , if done correctly a teenage boy can throw someone almost 2x's their weight ,though they likely would not be able to control them on the ground , though there is always a chance if you apply your training . URL: ua-cam.com/video/Z2B8Fa4bSzYt/v-deo.htmleqneke
As I understand it as well, one of the main ancestor art for Kano's Judo was "Kito Ryu"? Apparently, Kito Ryu's style relied heavily on strong hips and legs. The problem is that it turns into a more physically-reliant art instead of physics and biomechanics.
Thanks for the input!
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Most throws done well take little power. You have to unbalance them correctly first.
I have a thought, being faced by several stackers, is a tricky one, a good marshall artist is under Great stress to Handel it. A good throw is great, but a all stress can happen. thank you.
These kind of throwing that looks like sacrifice of balance probably from the judo grammar ('sutemi wasa' kind?). 'Tori' has to use his whole weight hung himself under 'uke'. 'Tori' use both strenghts: inertia of his own body hung and the right force in a rotative trajectory on himeself. This projection is not so intuitive, however it's simple. In MMA cases of uses, that can be easily followed by 'avalanche', due to the half-time of advance on a possible ground and pound. Very usable, sacrifice in a way, but for a high level of success for the goal targeted. Crispy remark: 'Personne' might just have been in debt to a cheep among many others, for a cunning, even if it should have been more human, insteed of beleveing it was a 'watchdog'. 'Control par U lisse' done, the Ulysse's situation was anyway, much more risky without it. Then, Polyphemus was for one more really good reason, unable to see beyond a teaching stereogram.
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im basically a little girl so i needed this video, i always try to avoid throws bc *I* end up on the floor 😭 lol
This will help you!
Do I think of using my muscular power to throw? No, I’m an Aikidoka…
But, seeing a bit more, it is remarkable how the basics of good Karate and good Aikido are similar…
Very nice throwing technique
I agree!
Do you train grappling regularly, Yusuke?
On and off!
My favorite is Judos Kouchi Gari. If you understand the timing, there isn’t much strength at all.
In Bujinkan most all the throws require little strength. Judo is really more about leverage and technique than strength
I see! Are there any names for those Bujinkan throws?
@@KarateDojowaKuThere are many throw names yes, some are the same names and very similar to Judo, such as Tani Otoshi. However, in the entire art the use of body movement (Taijutsu) instead of muscle movements are prioritized. Punching/kicking, everything is done using Taijutsu
@@KarateDojowaKu In the example in this video, the closest would be osoto gake. It's about creating kuzushi by an advancing step that unbalances uke at the shoulder which allows for the sweep through sinking down as you complete your forward step. The key aspect is to make the spine go backwards using the biomechanics of you taking a step forwards as if falling forwards by utilizing your bodyweight, and then by straightening the advancing leg that is now behind uke's leg combined with a pushing motion at the shoulder by leaning forward, you create a push/pull motion as your shoulder goes forward, while your straightening of the leg pushes back.
There are henka/variations to this, such as forcefully kicking the leg to create a more sudden drop, more of an otoshi, and you can also pull uke's arm out to the side to take his balance and put all his weight on the leg you're about to sweep. Plenty of details to do into.
It's simple biomechanics and physics. Bujinkan people like to try to make it sound special with "body movement" or "natural movement" and make it sound like we're doing it differently than other styles, but it's honestly just aikijutsu.
I see!@@Ninja9JKD
Thanks for your input! I'll check it out!@@kodain
I still havent watched this video carefully, but i can not see the difference with judo osotogari. Yes, judo osotogari need power for kuzushi, but almost similar. The most powerless throw that I know is judo ouchigari, because we don't have to back our opponent, just take his leg inside out. If we can take his leg inside out and pull our opponent bodyweight circularly with our body as Axis/ center of the circle (just like ballet), maybe we even don't have to grab our opponent body or gi and do kuzushi. Our opponent fall down easily, cmiiw
Yusuke brilliant on close-range combat it is true that overused Force isn't required in every form of fighting through adaptation reading the enemy's every single move hearing it it is very possible to make them use their own momentum against them and trip themselves well done be well you're on the right track and Don't Stray from the path legendary greatness awaits
Thanks!
Osoto gari, no sorry. I meant to say ouchI gari
The shape is, but the internal control is very different :)
@@KarateDojowaKu quite right. Still a great technique for a smaller/weaker person. I forget the Japanese terminology for the offbalancing stage. I think this requires less force than tai otoshi.
"When you think about throwing someone to the ground, you think about muscles and power..."
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It’s not rare.
In American kenpo it’s at blue belt and brown.
Nah, don't buy it. He demonstrated one way and then changed it when he executed the throw, reverting back to basic Judo principles. Also, have to see it in randori, which is a completely different reality than someone just standing there cooperating.
It may look like that but i think the point he is making is that when he lifts his right leg off he ground he doesn't first push his body weight onto his left foot to maintain balance, he just lifts it up so immediately one of the force vectors is from gravity pushing to the right, which apparently helps with the throw.
I think it helps with the throw because the receiver feels the push (from gravity) onto HIS left foot and compensates by pushing the other way but, bonzo, his right leg has been swept and he creates his own fall