Some observations from someone who has trained with Peter extensively and has a fair grasp on the method: I think a minority here need to re-watch the video if they think this is a “standard punch”. Such a statement is evidence they missed many of the points stated in the video. Firstly, the axis of rotation is on the side of the hip, and not central as it is with most standard punching. Secondly, the kinetic chain is different in that the hip goes before the arm, and not at the same time as happens with most standard punching. If we look at basic physics, the greater the mass and the greater the velocity, the greater the impact. The link between the hip and arm ensures the most mass in motion at impact, and the greatest acceleration, hence the greatest force. There are a few other nuances too, but those are the key ones a few people seem to have overlooked. All these points are clearly made in the video, so I’m not sure why they are being overlooked. This method is markedly different from what is taught as standard … as those who have trained first-hand with Peter can attest. It should be obvious, but I’ll make the statement any way … watching a UA-cam video of someone getting hit is not the same as getting hit :-) I’ve witnessed several hundred people get hit by Peter over the years. 100% of those people would agree with Rokas that being on the receiving end of those shots is a “road to Damascus” moment where they realise there is a whole new level of “hard” they were previously unaware of. I made the decision to become a student of Peter’s the first time he hit me. Just as Peter did when Shigeru Kimura (developer of the method) hit him. Peter is also clear at the start that what is shown is a demonstration of the basics. The method can be used in explosive, free flowing combinations with fast and overlapping transitions. Again, this is something that all students of Peter know first-hand. Our training group consists of boxers, kick boxers, thai-boxers jujutsuka, karateka, MMA practitioners, etc. We all find the method to be highly applicable. I hope this post is of some use and I’m sure other people with first-hand experience of the method will also help correct misunderstandings. For those who do feel this is “standard punch” and hence a method they are already familiar with, I would suggest re-watching the video with an open and attentive mind. All the best, Iain
I think that seeing a punch like that and feeling a punch like that really would change the way that you look on a martial art for example. The most tandible thing from having watched the punch was that he could generate the energy slowly, comparatively speaking, and still exert such force. There's this process that needs to happen for someone trying a punch like this that the value might not seem worth the time going in: but I spent 45 minutes just rolling my hips and shifting the way that he did and I noticed a huge improvement in body connection. They really comes down to how much someone needs to be spooned fed on a topic like this. Some people need to go to 50 seminars and get all the information. Some people can do things from watching a couple videos and trying themselves. I'm not saying that I understand it after that but it's a deeper topic I need to explore.
His punch is def not a standard punch. It’s complete opposite to the stance and punch. His ability to transfer kinetic energy and do it effortlessly is seemless. You can see it from the movement, or lack of. But it does all join up
@practicalkatabunkai "If we look at basic physics, Force = Mass X Acceleration (not to be confused with speed; they are not the same thing). The link between the hip and arm ensures the most mass in motion at impact, and the greatest acceleration, hence the greatest force." Well, there may be a link between the hip and the arm, but there is none between the stated premiss and conclusion. It would be better to simply say, "Mr C provides an alternate way to punch hard. If you don't believe me, try it for yourselves." That would be preferable to throwing in random references to physics or biomechanics that say nothing upon examination.
I agree this is not like a normal punch, it is incredible how much power he is able to generate. I also think that power is not as important as some people think though, a regular straight right or left hook is enough to knock people out in most cases, especially if it hits flush and unprepared against. Bearing that in mind a person could come to the conclusion that timing and position are more important in striking than being able to generate huge amounts of power.
I contacted Peter earlier this year asking if I could train with him as a one-off, he got back in touch and offered me a private session. I travelled up to see him, took part in one of his kickboxing classes with his other students, it was a good class, they did things differently and wore very thin gloves to emphasise hitting with your two main knuckles unlike normal boxing/kickboxing. Peter took part in the class and was as fit as a guy in his 20s or 30s. I then received some one-to-one training with him where he demonstrated this strike on me as i held the pad, it was hands down the hardest strike I've ever experienced, incredible. Peter was one of the nicest guys I've ever met as well, I'll always class that day as one of my most memorable in all the years I've trained 👍
@@TexterEX I could be wrong but I feel as though this punch would be best in a bad situation where you may need to hit someone as hard as possible and get out of there before things can escalate. If in a boxing match or a one-on-one fight etc then I'd say boxing is the way to go. Of course, boxing is perfect for a pre-emptive strike as well. I believe this punch is meant for a pre-emptive strike/sucker punch to give you time to get away or follow through with something else :)
I took a weekend class with Peter and with Geoff Thompson. They focused on really simple stuff that worked in real life. One of them (I forget which one) demonstrated a punch on me, and I was holding a pad against myself like in the video. I went home a bit sore, but it wasn't until I woke up the next morning, hardly able to get out of bed, that I realised I had two broken ribs. Very impressive instructors.
As someone from overseas(NZ), those of us in the know have respect for these Pommie hardmen. '' '' 'And that's saying something as we are tough nuts ourselves.
Peter Consterdine knows what he is talking about. Him and Geoff Thompson, and a bunch of other BCA members are all ex-doormen, protection experts etc, very practical techniques. The ‘animal day’ stuff they do is hardcore, basically, suit up and beat the shit out of each other - the whole point is to see what really works in an aggressive attacker situation. Well done @rockas for continuing to pick great teachers.
I thought it was very easy to understand when he said to imagine a wheel with your arms and hips then you reach down pull the pin from the hip, turn hip and bring stablizing foot forward to put more force than keep moving forward, grab the neck and smash his face in.
@D R Wow you're an idiot. If practice you could pull that punch out in 1 second while standing straight forward. You must be so stupid not to recognize it's a massive body punch with little prep and can be done in seconds. It just seems long because he's showing you how to do it so that you have the most power, dumbass. If he was just standing there and you approached he'd whip that punch out in the gut, you'd be gassed instantly, then fucked.
What a delightful Man! I don't know how old he is, but he's a Great teacher! He's able to impart his knowledge with eloquence and clarity and keep the learner completely engaged and focused on the technique(s) he's imparting!
Those who think it is not a hard punch, remember that Peter is at least 65 year old, maybe already in his 70th. To punch like that at this age quite remarkable.
I'm impressed. I've never heard anyone explain a punching technique in this very mechanical way. The best part, it's quick and you don't see it coming. It's like a locomotive cam shaft.
Oh my goodness, I’m glad you put “hardest punch” and “Peter Consterdine” in the same sentence. I’ve experienced it and felt like it ripped my soul out haha. These guys know how to modernise the mechanics of traditional MA practice
I was lucky enough to hold the pads for Mr conderdine many forget trains and cars no body can hit that but Mr conderdine hits harder than anyone I ever trained with
This man is a serious scholar of empty handed martial technique/pedagogy. May not be a great fighter (he's an old man, after all), but that's not the point. The real brilliance is is the fine understanding of efficiency of motion and the focused point of contact. He addressed up the high levels of understanding the japanese karate term "kime", the Chinese "soft style/internal" application, the more modern understanding of the "kinetic chain", AND the academic martial artists' understanding of stance all in one video. This man is serious.
He may be an elderly gent but he'd do more than hold his own in a fight...I'd say he'd fuck somebody up right & proper. He is extremely well versed and a great teacher. I agree with you. He's a serious cat no doubt.
Excellent concepts with application. I’ve taught striking similar to this for a long time. The issue with most coaches in teaching these concepts is that they never learned them. I explain the striking as a sequence of things happening with the right timing. Leverage from floor into rotating ankle to rotating hip , elbow and only then allowing the fist to release into target. Properly done, the student will feel a hitch in shoulder as if an elastic band was released on the hook punch. Most coaches teach turning all the body parts at once. If properly done, the punch becomes much less telegraphic as a bonus, and require less distance for power. One way to think of this is that each rotation adds mph to your strike. If the motion is smooth and unimpeded the result is the sum of all those mph into your target. Another bonus is not having to load the leg as much with each punch, allowing for better balance and recovery. Btw, these same concepts apply to kicks, just in different sequence. Shoulder rotates before hip, etc.
Great to see Sensei Kimura’s technique being demonstrated and explained. In essence it’s a slingshot of the shoulder which accelerates the punch. Awesome when you can do it. Impact work is still my favourite 👊🏻
Kimura war mein Grossmeister. Urs Spörri, einer seiner Schüler schon in South Afrika, war und ist mein Lehrer. Kimura hat diese Technik sein ganzes Leben lang, er wurde 56 Jahre alt, weiterentwickelt.
OMG! I thought I would have arguments from my Wing Chun training.... BUT, this is almost exactly how traditional Wing Chun punch works!!! That chain punching is popular but not right as you see it done on most yt vids. "You use body weight and not the 5 pound arm" has been said to me by several masters you probably haven't heard of. Thank you so much for this! If you've ever felt the "arrow of force" Pierce through you by a guy half you're weight you know there are valuable pearls in the flowery mess of tradition. One 60 yo master just pretty much tapped me and my lip bled. Thank you thank you for searching for truth where you find it!
Thanks for this video. Peter Consterdine and Geoff Thompson are two absolute gems when it comes to practical martial arts experience, and both are so genuine and friendly.
This concept of strikes like a whip is a classic in many martial art since century. The body of a human is the same for all human. No more finding possible. Only find again. And forget again...
I had the chance to interview Geoff Thompson last year. He is an amazing guy. Now more in the philosophy than fighting. But got the chance to ask him about self defense - ua-cam.com/video/g5HwFu-By8w/v-deo.html
I love those training moments where you get hit or thrown in a new way or by a different person and your response is "DO THAT AGAIN!, and again...Whilst smiling like a lunatic. Followed immediately by "I need to learn everything about that please." Where as I think most folks outside of the Martial arts would say "thanks, once will do" :) Ace stuff, thank-you to you both.
I remember that time. Got choked out for the first time in training and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Promptly used it on others and it felt wonderful. Like getting a new toy when you were a kid.
Yeah the man is in his 70s and has clearly looked after himself, he can still wallop at his age which is a testament to his teacher and his own dedication.
An excellent video!!! Finally, now you are into the awesome staff (in my opinion). How to cultivate the most efficient movement the human body can make in order to produce the most power out of it. This happens through internal integration of the body and this is exactly what the so-called "internal martial arts" teach (when taught properly of course). Also similar principle with "kinetic chain" of the Russian striking systems. The first time I was introduced into those concepts was from Dr. Kacem Zoughari from Bujinkan Ninjutsu back in 2005, and it took me many years to finally get a grasp of those ideas. In classical Japanese methods of war, there is the concept of Seichusen (the central axis) and how to transfer it exactly as Mr Consterine describes, from the vertical center of the body to the shoulder-hip-knee side. This concept might be found under the term "nanba aruki" - ipsilateral movement. Your previous understanding of what "traditional" MA is, was flawed. Yes Rokas, now you are in the deep waters :-)
As a 25 + years martial artist practitioner ( Thai boxing and the last 10 years FMA), I still learned something today. Very clearly explained btw. And at some of you : Don't challenge and old man, he might not want to fight and just kill you ;-)
This is incredibly interesting. He is formulating the punching technique that appears in Xingyi Quan called Beng Quan, but the thing that reveals that he is pretty much brilliant is that he performs the technique with such naturallity that it blows my mind. I find really hard to perform that strike and this man just does it all the time! Thanks for the content Rokas!
That’s really good. Training different dynamics of punching except just 1 kind of way is important for martial artists. Too many get stuck in 1 way. Great stuff.
While he's a Karate guy, he's actually demonstrating a lot of qualities a Wing Chun practitioner should have in his punch. He even angles his fist in a similar way.
Had the genuine pleasure and honour of exchanging this technique with the man himself around 10+ year ago and also utilising it in 20+ year long career, I can attest to its effectiveness. I can also attest to Peters delivery as being something well above average. An amazing person, teacher and martial artist.
My uncle was once taught by the great Keiko Fukuda, a 10 dan-150cm @45kg power house woman. Master Fukuda was last of the great surviving student of Kanō Jigorō. Learning Master Peter Consterdine is priceless.
This is the Skukokai punch just as i was taught in the late 1970s. Its deceptive, very powerful, can be very fast, and with practice works with most techniques, eg even as an overhand right thrown from a boxers stance. Thanks to Jim Hepburn, Tommy Morris, Kobe Osaka Club, and Shigeru Kimura.
A lot of what he is saying here correlates with what I am learning in Wing Chun, especially with how a circular shape is the most powerful force and the relaxation with it, Great video!!
@@theredninja2817 I think a lot of MA students try to equate/compare techniques from different styles/arts/teachers with what they've already been taught, to contextualise and understand them. Learning typically entails trying to assimilate new knowledge into current. However, sometimes it's useful to approach such techniques with a fresh perspective, unburdened by what you think you know.
The transition from one strike to another strike is how I was trained ,the was no standard competition, it was train to win , it was survival at all cost
Within this technique, you can see elements of wing chun, systema as well as Karate. Which basically is more proof that all styles have elements to offer in the general paradigm of martial arts or fighting. Excellent.
Looks a lot like Shukokai, There's some video of Sensei Kimura demonstrating much the same thing in the 80's. In my onion if I left my head that open I'd get knocked the out though, so this would very much be limited to counter punch.
I attended a seminar with Geoff Thompson and Peter conserdine and I held the pad for Peter conserdine and I experienced first hand the tremendous power generated if it lands on your solar plexus no one would stand up
"Because I've committed my bodyweight forward, I can follow you with the next one..." No Peter, he's gone mate. He's in the bloody wall. You're gonna have to sprint to follow him! 😂
Shigeru Kimura, 8. Dan Kimura Shukokai, war Karateweltmeister, 4x japanischer Allstyle Meister und Dr. Physik. Er hat das Tani Shitoryu-Shukokai Karate, durch sein Wissen in der Physik, im Hinblick auf Schlagkraft, optimiert. Sein erster Ansatz war der Double Hip Twist. Das ist genau dies, was hier im Video gezeigt wird. Später aber, hat er die erste Hüftdreheng weggelassen, soll heissen, er ist schon aufgedreht hingestanden und hat dann nur noch die hintere Hüfte, neben die vordere gedreht. Der Unterschied zur herkömmlichen Art, die Hüftdrehachse in der Mitte des Körpers zu halten, war bei ihm die Achse auf der vorderen Hüfte und Bein. Ein anderes Merkmal des Kimura Shukokai ist auch, das wenn man abgedreht dasteht, man eine Körperspannung im ganzen Körper erzeugt. Wie ein Pfeilbogen wird der Körper, von den Füssen bis zu den Schultern gespannt, soll heissen die Muskeln werden gedehnt. Lässt man nun diese Spannung los, schnellt die Hüfte nach vorne und der Arm fliegt, gleich einer Peitschenschnur nach vorne. Beim Aufprall der Faust dann, werden alle Gelenke einen kurzen Moment so gestellt, dass eine starre Verbindung mit dem Boden besteht. Diese Verbindung mit dem Boden erhöht die Masse enorm. E=mc2. Durch die Hüftdrehung und der Vorspannung und der völligen Entspanntheit der Arme, wird eine enorme Geschwindigkeit erreicht. Durch das Verbinden mit dem Boden, eine enorme Masse. Videos von Shigeru Kimura sind auf UA-cam zu finden.
This seems interesting, I've never seen a kinetic chain on that axis used for a punch, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work Definitely gonna test that out and play around with it
I've had the opportunity to train with Peter Consterdine and to hold the pad for him when he executed double hip elbow strikes. The sensation was like what I imagine being hit by a train might feel like. The power was penetrating and different from anything I'd ever experienced when someone hit me. Have fun testing and playing! (A playful approach is exactly right for this one, imho.)
@@jon...5324 what i mean is unless he shows this in sparring in a sressful situation everything he is saying is just theory and not applicable, it's something every mcdojo uses to sell "secret" techniques
@Markus Demetrius et al, the piston punch and power slap that Peter C. demonstrated are meant to be used as preemptive strikes for proactive street self-defense and not for give-and-take/back-and-forth sport sparring. When used with deception and surprise, the piston punch to the solar plexus will put an adversary down in pain, gasping for breath, sapping his will to fight; and with the power slap, this shot will clinically knock an adversary out like a good left hook to the jaw would. It’s all about context of application.
The idea behind this comes from boxing. Its the 1,2, without the 1. set your feet, twist through the hips as if to jab, and twist the other way to through the straight.
Did a BCA seminar with Peter in Hinkley over 20 years back. Awesome street/close protection stuff that stands up when you use it, including multiple attackers. My fave from that day was a pre-emptive strike against 2 opponents each 45 deg off your centreline. Start with no 2 (RH) *backhand* slap to attacker"s chest on your right, which apart from making space, was also setting up for the whip back left with the same no. 2 to the guy on the left's chin. Sounded ridiculous when he talked though it, but then feeling the backhand slap through the chest pad was enough!! It could be done so fast that a pair of drunk attackers wouldn't know what hit them if executed correctly. Geoff T's stuff is also the best street psychological material I've ever read, and again genuinely works in practice. Highly recommended (as is his autobiog).
I think there is a misconception being purported here. While I fully agree that this is one great way to generate power in punches by adding one's body weight, I don't like that he's saying it the only way to do it. There is more than one way to get all of one's weight into a strike. Shifting weight away from the back leg and over the front foot is only one way, and one that can be countered by pulling. One can also lift the front the foot and essentially fall into punches. Which eliminates the pulling counter. Side stepping and redirecting are the answers in this case. Another is the taichi method of whole body shifting. This defense is more subtle and goes beyond a mere few sentences. The bottom line is that there is a proper tool for every situation, and this is but one of them.
The dynamics of the vertical punch are found in Kenpo . Let’s not forget the striking zone . It’s along the centerline . With all of the principals of this strike in line and on target it can be devastating. I have dropped a few people in real time with this strike . I credit you for this video . The best one you have done
It's not about whether the punch is vertical, it's about the mechanics of moving body mass to transfer as much energy into the opponent as possible. The mechanics shown have little to do with the centreline, and they work just as well for delivering hooks and slaps.
Leading the tool rather than following may be a way to generate power. In fact it is. But it's also an enormous telegraph. It's like watching a pitcher wind up a fastball. If a boxer led with his hip like this he'd eat a defensive jab before the punch had passed his ribs. You can still apply the hip pivot and force from the extensor muscles of the back leg if you initiate the movement with the striking hand and follow the tool, your timing just has to be more precise. I have no doubt that a punch like this is devastating if it connects. When I was twenty, my flying sidekick was devastating, but I only ever connected with it once when I fought a guy who always opened with an axe kick, so I knew exactly where he would be. I'm not a good deal more confident that a punch this telegraphed would have a higher success percentage than my old flying side kick. I know, I know. I'm the only guy here who thinks this. I'm okay with that. I always had power, but never the speed of someone with a preponderance of quick twitch muscles. So I always had to worry about economy of motion and not telegraphing my technique.
Great video. This is demonstrating the difference between “wave” striking and “post” striking. Wave striking is what he’s doing, similar to systema. “Post” striking is the concept he was talking about where he said “holding a pike with the rear foot down” both methods should be learned I think. The posting is good for uprooting structure and holding against the weight of the opponent. The wave is good for penetration without having to post against the weight of the opponent. It’s like Bruce Lee said “a karate punch is like an iron bar, gung fu punch like a chain with an iron ball attached to the chain.” Think of post punching as like you are a pole or spear bracing against the ground and penetrating through in a straight line. Wave punching is where you use your body like a whip or iron chain with a iron ball at the end as Bruce would say. Both should be learned and used interchangeably.
This is the sucker punch Masvidal would want you to use. For a non sport context this makes a lot of sense. You have one shot, you're assuming it's your only one, and no one's giving you a point just for making contact. As far as the slap, there're slapping contests that demonstrate it's effect in(hilarious) action. Tons of KOs. Also, the great Bas Rutten slapped the shit out of fools lol. I think you wouldn't be allowed now for fear of eye pokes though.
He’s also talking about when the person defending themselves finds themself in a situation where you don’t have a lot of time and need to do something quick. And this is what you do!
Yeah he talked before about how when he worked in bar security and it kicked off someone could be right in your face, and you would'nt have a lot of time or space to do something. This was sort of the perfect shot in that situation.
It doesn't matter if it's traditional or non-traditional martial from karate 2 wing Chun to Kung Fu to boxing to MMA and all the styles in between. When something works, something works simple and plane. Let's stop worrying about styles and just get in the mindset of learning ,simply learning. What works, what doesn't work in progress forward simple and plane. No arguing, fussing, or fighting. Just pursue learning, that's it.
awesome!!! this is "one of" the best videos on how to generate power I've ever seen. use a set up, make sure to stay totally relaxed and only tens up at the last minute and dont hyper extend.
It is so refreshing to hear someone describe the bio-mechanics of effective solid punching in a thoroughly scientific fashion using anologies and a description of applying technique that is almost exactly what Bruce Lee describes in Tao of Jeet Kune Do, the only difference being that Bruce had it down so well he could generate far more power over the space of a few inches and was a much smaller guy.
Fantastic video and I believe I've encountered the same theory in my Kung Fu training as Six Harmonies. What Mr Consterdine is demonstrating how the three external harmonies work. 1) The hands harmonize with the feet. 2) The hips harmonize with the shoulders. 3) The elbows harmonize with the knees.
Except sometimes only a piece harmonizes, and the other parts of the kinetic chain move in a dynamic oppositional force. In the example of the video, the hips are in dynamic counter to the shoulders. The hands harmonize with the feet to maintain inertial force, but the elbows run counter to the knees ( as the driving force up through the hips). It is a wave power. Experiment with the separate pieces of the kinetic chain within each movement of the Six Harmonies. There are different power generators inside of the various footwork patterns.
@@pranakhan A yes dynamic op positional force my Sifu described it to me as Newtwon's Third Law of Motion. Whenever we do forms or movements I'm told to consider how to utilize my body parts as a unit to maximize that principle, One stance that has my weight 40/60 on the back leg allows to propel forward like a coiled spring
I would like to see some impact force measurements of this type of punch versus a standard boxing style straight punch. My hunch is that the boxing style straight would win. I would love to be disproven though.
You may or may be right. I don't know. However the key point is the body dynamics. If you can do the straight right punch with the right dynamics, it's gonna be really powerful. It might be a bit different in a different kind of punch, but the basic principles he's talking about are going to be good in any punch. I feel maybe the issue of which one is harder might not necessarily matter so much because they're both hard enough to do the job.
That's the thing though, it's not necessary just the force that's so devestating but also the delivery. Like systema for example that weird looking punch is basically optimized for transferring as much energy as possible and having it sit heavily in your target vs trying to smash it outright. The main difference is this kind of punch is specifically designed with the element of how it effects your mechanical systems and your pain receptors so instead of one hard fast sudden hit that packs a wallop but you can kind of shake off this hit it almost feels like all that force hits you and lingers for a second and permeates.
Good topic, thanks for starting it If you don't or haven't used these principles in your striking movements before then you might want to consider asking yourself why not? Practicing on hitting pads and cushioning objects takes away from the realistic collisions giving back to the user false information. Using this type of force with a partner holding pads is not possible due to it hurting the person holding them. Also hitting boards once again, the information on connection is lost. Hitting metal hollow supporting beams (with low level padding) will give the proper information needed as there will be a sound generated from the impact. All punches can be heard and practiced this way, building up the impact over time, as not to cause injuries. Finding that the full use of all knuckles and area are used together, where slight angling of the wrists can be helpful towards hitting square instead of clipping the target. Punching from a rolled up in to a fist instead a clenched one works best. There is no need to lose sight of the fists with these power punches. Punches used and held at an angle works best, which is somewhere between a Wing Chun vertical and a Karate horizontal. It is if driving a fist through an object as opposed to striking at it. The process involves the entire body delivering the punch, having no loose areas to cushion the blow, that connects and collides with the flat of the fist and on impact there is no bouncing back; this is where building up on the delivery of this punch is important, as not to strike harder than your own breaking point.
If I'm not mistaken...isn't this almost like a centerline punch in wing chun?? He's describing the linking as it drives towards the center of mass and the other person. These concepts have more to do with internal martial arts like wing chun and taichi. Describing the beginning of one technique is the ending of another is alot like flow drills, Push Hands or Chi soa
Great video i like Peter consterdine i still feel however that a closed fist is more power and damaging I practice both open hand and closed but still feel there's more impact with a closed fist.
@@Sfourtytwo there both damaging to the brain both have advantages and disadvantages i practice both but prefer closed fist punching I've actually hit one of those psi machines and i had a higher psi with punching and a lower psi with open hand strikes but one guy that i seen hit a higher psi with an open hand then fist i feel for beginners its better and easyer to strike with an open hand punching takes more conditioning and practice but in my opinion does more damage
I’ve always just naturally used this method and others similar to it and I will say that this works unbelievably well! This method is definitely an equalizer for smaller guys! It’s so cool to see somebody else doing this👍🏻
I was lucky to train with Mr conderdine I can testify to the power of his double hip punch which I took the time to learn anyone I showed it to was impressed it really is a wonderful technique don't listen to the naysayers
These kind of demonstrations are meant to explain THE MECHANIC behind the movement. If it's effective or not it depends on how much you trained it and how good your opponent is. Low kicks are great due to their versatility and high reward low risk but preforming one above an even slightly wet floor can backfire and make lose your balance. It's all situational, all hypothetical.
That is the basic striking principle in Choy Lay Fut... Fight Perfect should have watched this before they made that Systema video. This is great to have this explained in such detail in one place.
This guys really good,I’m not just saying that .very knowledgeable and trained man who has a legitimate answer and explanation for every question asked
@@shaunclubberlang2887 Indeed. Hence why I think that to go as close to "kung fu" (perfection) as you can get is to practice JeetKuneDo. I did so for a few months while studying in the US a decade ago, but... it's nothing like any other fighting style. Literally nothing like any other. Bruce, IMHO, did an outstanding job of covering the flaws of most commonly-known fighting styles and exploiting them.
Some observations from someone who has trained with Peter extensively and has a fair grasp on the method: I think a minority here need to re-watch the video if they think this is a “standard punch”. Such a statement is evidence they missed many of the points stated in the video.
Firstly, the axis of rotation is on the side of the hip, and not central as it is with most standard punching. Secondly, the kinetic chain is different in that the hip goes before the arm, and not at the same time as happens with most standard punching. If we look at basic physics, the greater the mass and the greater the velocity, the greater the impact. The link between the hip and arm ensures the most mass in motion at impact, and the greatest acceleration, hence the greatest force. There are a few other nuances too, but those are the key ones a few people seem to have overlooked. All these points are clearly made in the video, so I’m not sure why they are being overlooked. This method is markedly different from what is taught as standard … as those who have trained first-hand with Peter can attest.
It should be obvious, but I’ll make the statement any way … watching a UA-cam video of someone getting hit is not the same as getting hit :-) I’ve witnessed several hundred people get hit by Peter over the years. 100% of those people would agree with Rokas that being on the receiving end of those shots is a “road to Damascus” moment where they realise there is a whole new level of “hard” they were previously unaware of. I made the decision to become a student of Peter’s the first time he hit me. Just as Peter did when Shigeru Kimura (developer of the method) hit him.
Peter is also clear at the start that what is shown is a demonstration of the basics. The method can be used in explosive, free flowing combinations with fast and overlapping transitions. Again, this is something that all students of Peter know first-hand. Our training group consists of boxers, kick boxers, thai-boxers jujutsuka, karateka, MMA practitioners, etc. We all find the method to be highly applicable.
I hope this post is of some use and I’m sure other people with first-hand experience of the method will also help correct misunderstandings. For those who do feel this is “standard punch” and hence a method they are already familiar with, I would suggest re-watching the video with an open and attentive mind.
All the best,
Iain
I think that seeing a punch like that and feeling a punch like that really would change the way that you look on a martial art for example. The most tandible thing from having watched the punch was that he could generate the energy slowly, comparatively speaking, and still exert such force.
There's this process that needs to happen for someone trying a punch like this that the value might not seem worth the time going in: but I spent 45 minutes just rolling my hips and shifting the way that he did and I noticed a huge improvement in body connection. They really comes down to how much someone needs to be spooned fed on a topic like this. Some people need to go to 50 seminars and get all the information. Some people can do things from watching a couple videos and trying themselves. I'm not saying that I understand it after that but it's a deeper topic I need to explore.
His punch is def not a standard punch. It’s complete opposite to the stance and punch.
His ability to transfer kinetic energy and do it effortlessly is seemless. You can see it from the movement, or lack of. But it does all join up
Its definitely not a standard right cross or reverse punch very interesting demonstration
@practicalkatabunkai "If we look at basic physics, Force = Mass X Acceleration (not to be confused with speed; they are not the same thing). The link between the hip and arm ensures the most mass in motion at impact, and the greatest acceleration, hence the greatest force." Well, there may be a link between the hip and the arm, but there is none between the stated premiss and conclusion. It would be better to simply say, "Mr C provides an alternate way to punch hard. If you don't believe me, try it for yourselves." That would be preferable to throwing in random references to physics or biomechanics that say nothing upon examination.
I agree this is not like a normal punch, it is incredible how much power he is able to generate. I also think that power is not as important as some people think though, a regular straight right or left hook is enough to knock people out in most cases, especially if it hits flush and unprepared against. Bearing that in mind a person could come to the conclusion that timing and position are more important in striking than being able to generate huge amounts of power.
I contacted Peter earlier this year asking if I could train with him as a one-off, he got back in touch and offered me a private session. I travelled up to see him, took part in one of his kickboxing classes with his other students, it was a good class, they did things differently and wore very thin gloves to emphasise hitting with your two main knuckles unlike normal boxing/kickboxing. Peter took part in the class and was as fit as a guy in his 20s or 30s. I then received some one-to-one training with him where he demonstrated this strike on me as i held the pad, it was hands down the hardest strike I've ever experienced, incredible. Peter was one of the nicest guys I've ever met as well, I'll always class that day as one of my most memorable in all the years I've trained 👍
Idk bro, I'm still sceptical of this, why don't boxers punch like this if it's the best way for power?
@@TexterEX I could be wrong but I feel as though this punch would be best in a bad situation where you may need to hit someone as hard as possible and get out of there before things can escalate. If in a boxing match or a one-on-one fight etc then I'd say boxing is the way to go. Of course, boxing is perfect for a pre-emptive strike as well. I believe this punch is meant for a pre-emptive strike/sucker punch to give you time to get away or follow through with something else :)
I took a weekend class with Peter and with Geoff Thompson. They focused on really simple stuff that worked in real life. One of them (I forget which one) demonstrated a punch on me, and I was holding a pad against myself like in the video. I went home a bit sore, but it wasn't until I woke up the next morning, hardly able to get out of bed, that I realised I had two broken ribs. Very impressive instructors.
Hahaha nice
Wooooww amazing bro
As someone from overseas(NZ), those of us in the know have respect for these Pommie hardmen. '' '' 'And that's saying something as we are tough nuts ourselves.
haha that is funny
Wtf he went defcon 5 on you or what
Peter Consterdine knows what he is talking about. Him and Geoff Thompson, and a bunch of other BCA members are all ex-doormen, protection experts etc, very practical techniques. The ‘animal day’ stuff they do is hardcore, basically, suit up and beat the shit out of each other - the whole point is to see what really works in an aggressive attacker situation.
Well done @rockas for continuing to pick great teachers.
Glad it kept it simple I would hate to hear the complicated version
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It's actually all very simple if you focus and follow along with his description of it.
I thought it was very easy to understand when he said to imagine a wheel with your arms and hips then you reach down pull the pin from the hip, turn hip and bring stablizing foot forward to put more force than keep moving forward, grab the neck and smash his face in.
@D R Wow you're an idiot. If practice you could pull that punch out in 1 second while standing straight forward. You must be so stupid not to recognize it's a massive body punch with little prep and can be done in seconds. It just seems long because he's showing you how to do it so that you have the most power, dumbass. If he was just standing there and you approached he'd whip that punch out in the gut, you'd be gassed instantly, then fucked.
@@NoNewfriendss as simple as one chain link, and as complicated as chainmail. Lol
What a delightful Man! I don't know how old he is, but he's a Great teacher! He's able to impart his knowledge with eloquence and clarity and keep the learner completely engaged and focused on the technique(s) he's imparting!
Definitely well spoken and easy voice to follow.
Yes his voice sounds like a British school educational video lol
He is in his early 70s, he was born in the late 1940s IIRC.
Those who think it is not a hard punch, remember that Peter is at least 65 year old, maybe already in his 70th. To punch like that at this age quite remarkable.
"The end of one technique is the start of the next one." That's the true, true.
correct the fight doesnt stop till your opponent doesnt come back
@@bluenose007 it can also be predictable and unpredictable
I'm impressed. I've never heard anyone explain a punching technique in this very mechanical way. The best part, it's quick and you don't see it coming. It's like a locomotive cam shaft.
I thought the same thing, and wished I had seen this a long time ago! It's all in the hips!! Fluid motion translates to greater power.
Oh my goodness, I’m glad you put “hardest punch” and “Peter Consterdine” in the same sentence. I’ve experienced it and felt like it ripped my soul out haha. These guys know how to modernise the mechanics of traditional MA practice
check out Maul565 [on YT] for some of the best footwork and body motion I have ever seen in 40 years of martial arts.
I once held a pad for Peter at a seminar in the late 90’s, I thought I’d been hit by a car!
Did you hold them as poorly as this guy?
It could have been a car but you weren't paying attention.
Peter and Geoff both hit like a train.
I was lucky enough to hold the pads for Mr conderdine many forget trains and cars no body can hit that but Mr conderdine hits harder than anyone I ever trained with
Exactly 😂😂❤
This man is a serious scholar of empty handed martial technique/pedagogy. May not be a great fighter (he's an old man, after all), but that's not the point. The real brilliance is is the fine understanding of efficiency of motion and the focused point of contact. He addressed up the high levels of understanding the japanese karate term "kime", the Chinese "soft style/internal" application, the more modern understanding of the "kinetic chain", AND the academic martial artists' understanding of stance all in one video.
This man is serious.
Bingo, spot on!
Makes me laugh that you equate old man to not a good fighter. HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣
He may be an elderly gent but he'd do more than hold his own in a fight...I'd say he'd fuck somebody up right & proper. He is extremely well versed and a great teacher. I agree with you. He's a serious cat no doubt.
He's peter fucking consterdine. He can fight
'He's an old man after all..lol, he'd probably hand you your ass..lol.
Excellent concepts with application. I’ve taught striking similar to this for a long time. The issue with most coaches in teaching these concepts is that they never learned them. I explain the striking as a sequence of things happening with the right timing. Leverage from floor into rotating ankle to rotating hip , elbow and only then allowing the fist to release into target. Properly done, the student will feel a hitch in shoulder as if an elastic band was released on the hook punch. Most coaches teach turning all the body parts at once. If properly done, the punch becomes much less telegraphic as a bonus, and require less distance for power. One way to think of this is that each rotation adds mph to your strike. If the motion is smooth and unimpeded the result is the sum of all those mph into your target. Another bonus is not having to load the leg as much with each punch, allowing for better balance and recovery. Btw, these same concepts apply to kicks, just in different sequence. Shoulder rotates before hip, etc.
Big fan of Consterdine's partner Geoff Thompson. Strongly recommend his videos. These guys know what they're doing with self defense and karate
Thats right Im agreed with you
Great to see Sensei Kimura’s technique being demonstrated and explained. In essence it’s a slingshot of the shoulder which accelerates the punch. Awesome when you can do it. Impact work is still my favourite 👊🏻
Same here Philip, I trained with my kimura for yrs here in New Jersey, the man was years ahead of him time.
Kimura war mein Grossmeister. Urs Spörri, einer seiner Schüler schon in South Afrika, war und ist mein Lehrer. Kimura hat diese Technik sein ganzes Leben lang, er wurde 56 Jahre alt, weiterentwickelt.
OMG! I thought I would have arguments from my Wing Chun training.... BUT, this is almost exactly how traditional Wing Chun punch works!!! That chain punching is popular but not right as you see it done on most yt vids. "You use body weight and not the 5 pound arm" has been said to me by several masters you probably haven't heard of. Thank you so much for this! If you've ever felt the "arrow of force" Pierce through you by a guy half you're weight you know there are valuable pearls in the flowery mess of tradition. One 60 yo master just pretty much tapped me and my lip bled. Thank you thank you for searching for truth where you find it!
Yep it's classic turning punch tactics. It's the best thing about wing chun. Simple but direct and powerful body mechanics
@@KungFuKing166 like walking a washing machine even if it's full of water. That full body "choo choo" locomotion 😅
Thanks for this video. Peter Consterdine and Geoff Thompson are two absolute gems when it comes to practical martial arts experience, and both are so genuine and friendly.
This concept of strikes like a whip is a classic in many martial art since century. The body of a human is the same for all human. No more finding possible. Only find again. And forget again...
I had the chance to interview Geoff Thompson last year. He is an amazing guy. Now more in the philosophy than fighting. But got the chance to ask him about self defense - ua-cam.com/video/g5HwFu-By8w/v-deo.html
Great video. I've been a martial artist for 40 years, mainly boxing and self-defense for the last 27, and this is wonderful stuff!
similiar here brother, 42 yrs continuous practice.... boxing and martial arts... began at age 18, im 60 now... I agree, great stuff!
Agreed. Punching power is all about proper momentum transfer. Using the whole body like a spring is the first thing you learn in boxing.
"The bad Elvis" is what we used to call this movement.
This guy is just great. And he is for real! I really enjoyed him together with Geoff Thompson
Really look like a college physic lecture, such a great gentlemen
Trained in Shukokai Karate for 20 years. Respect Sensei
Woooowww
Kimura !!!
I've tried this technique and it really does make a hell of a difference.
I love those training moments where you get hit or thrown in a new way or by a different person and your response is "DO THAT AGAIN!, and again...Whilst smiling like a lunatic. Followed immediately by "I need to learn everything about that please." Where as I think most folks outside of the Martial arts would say "thanks, once will do" :)
Ace stuff, thank-you to you both.
Ohhh Goood i know the feeelibg
I remember that time. Got choked out for the first time in training and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Promptly used it on others and it felt wonderful.
Like getting a new toy when you were a kid.
This guys hip mobility is so fluid, sharp, and surprising esp because of his age. He would be a great salsa dancer.
Jajajajajajajaj is true brother
Still rocking it at his age... Amazing
Yeah the man is in his 70s and has clearly looked after himself, he can still wallop at his age which is a testament to his teacher and his own dedication.
I find it tiring when so many of your videos are this doesn’t work etc. So happy to watch an excellent video on your channel. Well Done!
So that a lot of my videos came across as negative. I am doing my best to move away from that paradigm :)
@@MartialArtsJourney it’s clear your an intelligent thoughtful person 👍. I think you should try a bare knuckle boxing match and make a video on it.
I've had the privilege of training with Peter, a true gentleman and a beast in the combat arts!!!!!!!
An excellent video!!! Finally, now you are into the awesome staff (in my opinion). How to cultivate the most efficient movement the human body can make in order to produce the most power out of it. This happens through internal integration of the body and this is exactly what the so-called "internal martial arts" teach (when taught properly of course). Also similar principle with "kinetic chain" of the Russian striking systems. The first time I was introduced into those concepts was from Dr. Kacem Zoughari from Bujinkan Ninjutsu back in 2005, and it took me many years to finally get a grasp of those ideas. In classical Japanese methods of war, there is the concept of Seichusen (the central axis) and how to transfer it exactly as Mr Consterine describes, from the vertical center of the body to the shoulder-hip-knee side. This concept might be found under the term "nanba aruki" - ipsilateral movement.
Your previous understanding of what "traditional" MA is, was flawed. Yes Rokas, now you are in the deep waters :-)
As a 25 + years martial artist practitioner ( Thai boxing and the last 10 years FMA), I still learned something today. Very clearly explained btw.
And at some of you : Don't challenge and old man, he might not want to fight and just kill you ;-)
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
Haven't heard the name Peter Consterdine in years. Glad he's still around and sharing his knowledge.
This is incredibly interesting. He is formulating the punching technique that appears in Xingyi Quan called Beng Quan, but the thing that reveals that he is pretty much brilliant is that he performs the technique with such naturallity that it blows my mind. I find really hard to perform that strike and this man just does it all the time!
Thanks for the content Rokas!
Yes, similar to Beng Quan here!
Shall we consider his 60+ years of exeprience in martial arts?
Bin kang shing bang put him in a cage and watch him get murdered.
Great video and great to see Mr Consterdine still teaching after all these years. I still have one of his books from the 90s (Fighting Fit)
This is amazing dude. Nice edit. The slow mo was great.
Brilliant. I was taught almost exactly the same by Grand Master Kwang Jo Choi. Thank you Peter.
That’s really good. Training different dynamics of punching except just 1 kind of way is important for martial artists.
Too many get stuck in 1 way.
Great stuff.
While he's a Karate guy, he's actually demonstrating a lot of qualities a Wing Chun practitioner should have in his punch. He even angles his fist in a similar way.
Tendon strength through joint placement
@Robban bobban, peter train wing chun as well.
That's exactly what I thought. Hes got his own twist on it but it's still using the basic rooting and transferring energy concepts in WC and Tai Chi
@@yodaone5764 WC and TC are like very different... lol
That are simply the Russian Systema Basics for punching@@risennation1239
Had the genuine pleasure and honour of exchanging this technique with the man himself around 10+ year ago and also utilising it in 20+ year long career, I can attest to its effectiveness. I can also attest to Peters delivery as being something well above average. An amazing person, teacher and martial artist.
Fantastic information. Thanks for your time!
My uncle was once taught by the great Keiko Fukuda, a 10 dan-150cm @45kg power house woman.
Master Fukuda was last of the great surviving student of Kanō Jigorō.
Learning Master Peter Consterdine is priceless.
You could also disguise that left hip movement with a jab or a feint id you're worried about telegraphing.
This is a fantastic concept and application . Love that it's great to see Chinese martial art concepts being used more and more by coaches
Ethafoam stops pressure - so you don't get bruised - but the energy has nowhere else to go, so the shockwave comes right through.
This is the Skukokai punch just as i was taught in the late 1970s. Its deceptive, very powerful, can be very fast, and with practice works with most techniques, eg even as an overhand right thrown from a boxers stance. Thanks to Jim Hepburn, Tommy Morris, Kobe Osaka Club, and Shigeru Kimura.
A lot of what he is saying here correlates with what I am learning in Wing Chun, especially with how a circular shape is the most powerful force and the relaxation with it, Great video!!
Cuz it's gotta be brought back to you so you can feel better about yourself
Daaaaamn sorry you feel that way 😂I seen the comments of people mentioning and explaining what martial art there practicing so I did the same?
@@iamlukemcardle People hate on wing chun, you will see this everywhere. Best not engage the UA-cam warriors and just do your best at whatever you do.
@@theredninja2817 I think a lot of MA students try to equate/compare techniques from different styles/arts/teachers with what they've already been taught, to contextualise and understand them. Learning typically entails trying to assimilate new knowledge into current.
However, sometimes it's useful to approach such techniques with a fresh perspective, unburdened by what you think you know.
"Just a punch mate" 4Head - Really grateful for the upload. A blessing to the UK
Lovely looking technique. Fast and powerful. Very nice. Love that hip action.
The transition from one strike to another strike is how I was trained ,the was no standard competition, it was train to win , it was survival at all cost
I'm gonna teach this to all my oponents.
Nice!!!
Within this technique, you can see elements of wing chun, systema as well as Karate. Which basically is more proof that all styles have elements to offer in the general paradigm of martial arts or fighting. Excellent.
Totally agree
Looks a lot like Shukokai, There's some video of Sensei Kimura demonstrating much the same thing in the 80's. In my onion if I left my head that open I'd get knocked the out though, so this would very much be limited to counter punch.
@@Jennifer-dw8hl Is this Kimura video still live on UA-cam? Curious which one. Pete did train under him, after all!
@@joenatale5513 That would explain the commonality wouldn't it. ua-cam.com/video/TlYok3A09HA/v-deo.html
@@Jennifer-dw8hl :-D
in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
yeah.. technique and applications are 2 different matters... techniques were never the problem on classical martial arts.
Combination of punches with double hip is the most interesting part!
Its straight up Xingyiquan
I thnik so, but this is the Russian Systema Basics
Done a seminar with Mr Consterdine & Thompson about 20 years ago in Coventry, he had them pad then. Hits like a mule for a older chap.
I attended a seminar with Geoff Thompson and Peter conserdine and I held the pad for Peter conserdine and I experienced first hand the tremendous power generated if it lands on your solar plexus no one would stand up
"Because I've committed my bodyweight forward, I can follow you with the next one..."
No Peter, he's gone mate. He's in the bloody wall. You're gonna have to sprint to follow him! 😂
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Shigeru Kimura, 8. Dan Kimura Shukokai, war Karateweltmeister, 4x japanischer Allstyle Meister und Dr. Physik.
Er hat das Tani Shitoryu-Shukokai Karate, durch sein Wissen in der Physik, im Hinblick auf Schlagkraft, optimiert.
Sein erster Ansatz war der Double Hip Twist. Das ist genau dies, was hier im Video gezeigt wird. Später aber, hat er die erste Hüftdreheng weggelassen, soll heissen, er ist schon aufgedreht hingestanden und hat dann nur noch die hintere Hüfte, neben die vordere gedreht. Der Unterschied zur herkömmlichen Art, die Hüftdrehachse in der Mitte des Körpers zu halten, war bei ihm die Achse auf der vorderen Hüfte und Bein.
Ein anderes Merkmal des Kimura Shukokai ist auch, das wenn man abgedreht dasteht, man eine Körperspannung im ganzen Körper erzeugt. Wie ein Pfeilbogen wird der Körper, von den Füssen bis zu den Schultern gespannt, soll heissen die Muskeln werden gedehnt. Lässt man nun diese Spannung los, schnellt die Hüfte nach vorne und der Arm fliegt, gleich einer Peitschenschnur nach vorne. Beim Aufprall der Faust dann, werden alle Gelenke einen kurzen Moment so gestellt, dass eine starre Verbindung mit dem Boden besteht. Diese Verbindung mit dem Boden erhöht die Masse enorm.
E=mc2. Durch die Hüftdrehung und der Vorspannung und der völligen Entspanntheit der Arme, wird eine enorme Geschwindigkeit erreicht. Durch das Verbinden mit dem Boden, eine enorme Masse.
Videos von Shigeru Kimura sind auf UA-cam zu finden.
This seems interesting, I've never seen a kinetic chain on that axis used for a punch, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work
Definitely gonna test that out and play around with it
And that's how seminars make money off you
Mcdojo
@@markusdemerius8993 I'm not sure what you mean
I've had the opportunity to train with Peter Consterdine and to hold the pad for him when he executed double hip elbow strikes. The sensation was like what I imagine being hit by a train might feel like. The power was penetrating and different from anything I'd ever experienced when someone hit me.
Have fun testing and playing! (A playful approach is exactly right for this one, imho.)
@@jon...5324 what i mean is unless he shows this in sparring in a sressful situation everything he is saying is just theory and not applicable, it's something every mcdojo uses to sell "secret" techniques
@Markus Demetrius et al, the piston punch and power slap that Peter C. demonstrated are meant to be used as preemptive strikes for proactive street self-defense and not for give-and-take/back-and-forth sport sparring. When used with deception and surprise, the piston punch to the solar plexus will put an adversary down in pain, gasping for breath, sapping his will to fight; and with the power slap, this shot will clinically knock an adversary out like a good left hook to the jaw would. It’s all about context of application.
This was certainly the best martial arts lesson i ever had.
I’m totally nerding out here!!!
Two thumbs up Rokas. Keep ‘em coming.
The idea behind this comes from boxing. Its the 1,2, without the 1. set your feet, twist through the hips as if to jab, and twist the other way to through the straight.
Ray Sookar going to try that set up
@@yvonnesanders2490 Let me know how it feels.
Did a BCA seminar with Peter in Hinkley over 20 years back. Awesome street/close protection stuff that stands up when you use it, including multiple attackers. My fave from that day was a pre-emptive strike against 2 opponents each 45 deg off your centreline. Start with no 2 (RH) *backhand* slap to attacker"s chest on your right, which apart from making space, was also setting up for the whip back left with the same no. 2 to the guy on the left's chin.
Sounded ridiculous when he talked though it, but then feeling the backhand slap through the chest pad was enough!! It could be done so fast that a pair of drunk attackers wouldn't know what hit them if executed correctly.
Geoff T's stuff is also the best street psychological material I've ever read, and again genuinely works in practice. Highly recommended (as is his autobiog).
I think there is a misconception being purported here. While I fully agree that this is one great way to generate power in punches by adding one's body weight, I don't like that he's saying it the only way to do it.
There is more than one way to get all of one's weight into a strike. Shifting weight away from the back leg and over the front foot is only one way, and one that can be countered by pulling.
One can also lift the front the foot and essentially fall into punches. Which eliminates the pulling counter. Side stepping and redirecting are the answers in this case.
Another is the taichi method of whole body shifting. This defense is more subtle and goes beyond a mere few sentences. The bottom line is that there is a proper tool for every situation, and this is but one of them.
Good technique. Both the punch and slap this way are great for a initial strike in a defense situation
Man praise GOD for this video! Eye opener and also confirming of what I thought about self defense. Thank you Rokas!
Wow! Great evolution and understanding from this man. A lot to think about there.
The dynamics of the vertical punch are found in Kenpo . Let’s not forget the striking zone . It’s along the centerline . With all of the principals of this strike in line and on target it can be devastating. I have dropped a few people in real time with this strike . I credit you for this video . The best one you have done
It's not about whether the punch is vertical, it's about the mechanics of moving body mass to transfer as much energy into the opponent as possible.
The mechanics shown have little to do with the centreline, and they work just as well for delivering hooks and slaps.
This is absolutely awesome. I love every concept and the smoothness of his actions
Leading the tool rather than following may be a way to generate power. In fact it is. But it's also an enormous telegraph. It's like watching a pitcher wind up a fastball.
If a boxer led with his hip like this he'd eat a defensive jab before the punch had passed his ribs. You can still apply the hip pivot and force from the extensor muscles of the back leg if you initiate the movement with the striking hand and follow the tool, your timing just has to be more precise.
I have no doubt that a punch like this is devastating if it connects. When I was twenty, my flying sidekick was devastating, but I only ever connected with it once when I fought a guy who always opened with an axe kick, so I knew exactly where he would be. I'm not a good deal more confident that a punch this telegraphed would have a higher success percentage than my old flying side kick.
I know, I know. I'm the only guy here who thinks this. I'm okay with that. I always had power, but never the speed of someone with a preponderance of quick twitch muscles. So I always had to worry about economy of motion and not telegraphing my technique.
It's only used for pre emotive strikes ,not match fighting. You're missing the context.
scarred10 aye what you said. Someone stomping up to get in your face to attack you would walk on to it
Great video. This is demonstrating the difference between “wave” striking and “post” striking.
Wave striking is what he’s doing, similar to systema. “Post” striking is the concept he was talking about where he said “holding a pike with the rear foot down” both methods should be learned I think. The posting is good for uprooting structure and holding against the weight of the opponent. The wave is good for penetration without having to post against the weight of the opponent. It’s like Bruce Lee said “a karate punch is like an iron bar, gung fu punch like a chain with an iron ball attached to the chain.” Think of post punching as like you are a pole or spear bracing against the ground and penetrating through in a straight line. Wave punching is where you use your body like a whip or iron chain with a iron ball at the end as Bruce would say. Both should be learned and used interchangeably.
I remember Pete from the old WADO RYU dojo in Manchester. He has quite a background in Karate, and one of the hardest punchers,
Kind of brings to mind Erle Montaigue's teaching about fajing. Thanks for helping me remember some good times practicing that hip shake.
This is the sucker punch Masvidal would want you to use.
For a non sport context this makes a lot of sense. You have one shot, you're assuming it's your only one, and no one's giving you a point just for making contact.
As far as the slap, there're slapping contests that demonstrate it's effect in(hilarious) action. Tons of KOs. Also, the great Bas Rutten slapped the shit out of fools lol. I think you wouldn't be allowed now for fear of eye pokes though.
He’s also talking about when the person defending themselves finds themself in a situation where you don’t have a lot of time and need to do something quick. And this is what you do!
Yeah he talked before about how when he worked in bar security and it kicked off someone could be right in your face, and you would'nt have a lot of time or space to do something. This was sort of the perfect shot in that situation.
Peter is a true legend in the self protection industry and if that guy hit you, you stay hit!
It doesn't matter if it's traditional or non-traditional martial from karate 2 wing Chun to Kung Fu to boxing to MMA and all the styles in between. When something works, something works simple and plane. Let's stop worrying about styles and just get in the mindset of learning ,simply learning. What works, what doesn't work in progress forward simple and plane. No arguing, fussing, or fighting. Just pursue learning, that's it.
awesome!!!
this is "one of" the best videos on how to generate power I've ever seen.
use a set up,
make sure to stay totally relaxed and only tens up at the last minute and dont hyper extend.
Why did you put _one of_ in quotations?
It is so refreshing to hear someone describe the bio-mechanics of effective solid punching in a thoroughly scientific fashion using anologies and a description of applying technique that is almost exactly what Bruce Lee describes in Tao of Jeet Kune Do, the only difference being that Bruce had it down so well he could generate far more power over the space of a few inches and was a much smaller guy.
Who was the older gentleman Explaining these techniques. I would love to find more from him. Thank you for the knowledge
Peter Consterdine
Fantastic video and I believe I've encountered the same theory in my Kung Fu training as Six Harmonies. What Mr Consterdine is demonstrating how the three external harmonies work.
1) The hands harmonize with the feet.
2) The hips harmonize with the shoulders.
3) The elbows harmonize with the knees.
Except sometimes only a piece harmonizes, and the other parts of the kinetic chain move in a dynamic oppositional force. In the example of the video, the hips are in dynamic counter to the shoulders. The hands harmonize with the feet to maintain inertial force, but the elbows run counter to the knees ( as the driving force up through the hips). It is a wave power. Experiment with the separate pieces of the kinetic chain within each movement of the Six Harmonies. There are different power generators inside of the various footwork patterns.
@@pranakhan A yes dynamic op positional force my Sifu described it to me as Newtwon's Third Law of Motion. Whenever we do forms or movements I'm told to consider how to utilize my body parts as a unit to maximize that principle, One stance that has my weight 40/60 on the back leg allows to propel forward like a coiled spring
I would like to see some impact force measurements of this type of punch versus a standard boxing style straight punch. My hunch is that the boxing style straight would win. I would love to be disproven though.
I think this style is faster and therefore would dominate.
You may or may be right. I don't know. However the key point is the body dynamics. If you can do the straight right punch with the right dynamics, it's gonna be really powerful. It might be a bit different in a different kind of punch, but the basic principles he's talking about are going to be good in any punch. I feel maybe the issue of which one is harder might not necessarily matter so much because they're both hard enough to do the job.
That's the thing though, it's not necessary just the force that's so devestating but also the delivery. Like systema for example that weird looking punch is basically optimized for transferring as much energy as possible and having it sit heavily in your target vs trying to smash it outright. The main difference is this kind of punch is specifically designed with the element of how it effects your mechanical systems and your pain receptors so instead of one hard fast sudden hit that packs a wallop but you can kind of shake off this hit it almost feels like all that force hits you and lingers for a second and permeates.
the hip movement is essential for many other sport and Martial Art
Never underestimate an old guy who knows martial arts .. nice one Peter 👍🏼🙏🏼👊🏼
That turning of the foot thing is something that's both very very evident and prominent in both Wing Chun and boxing
Peter Consterdine is a British Karate Icon,,he's passing on to us UA-camrs,a bloody DIAMOND of a TECHNIQUE,,,respect the older Masters,,..
Good topic, thanks for starting it
If you don't or haven't used these principles in your striking movements before then you might want to consider asking yourself why not?
Practicing on hitting pads and cushioning objects takes away from the realistic collisions giving back to the user false information.
Using this type of force with a partner holding pads is not possible due to it hurting the person holding them. Also hitting boards once again, the information on connection is lost.
Hitting metal hollow supporting beams (with low level padding) will give the proper information needed as there will be a sound generated from the impact. All punches can be heard and practiced this way, building up the impact over time, as not to cause injuries.
Finding that the full use of all knuckles and area are used together, where slight angling of the wrists can be helpful towards hitting square instead of clipping the target. Punching from a rolled up in to a fist instead a clenched one works best. There is no need to lose sight of the fists with these power punches.
Punches used and held at an angle works best, which is somewhere between a Wing Chun vertical and a Karate horizontal.
It is if driving a fist through an object as opposed to striking at it.
The process involves the entire body delivering the punch, having no loose areas to cushion the blow, that connects and collides with the flat of the fist and on impact there is no bouncing back; this is where building up on the delivery of this punch is important, as not to strike harder than your own breaking point.
The way your head moved when hit said it all
I always get headaches after holding for Peter :-)
Yeah. Amateur.
If I'm not mistaken...isn't this almost like a centerline punch in wing chun??
He's describing the linking as it drives towards the center of mass and the other person. These concepts have more to do with internal martial arts like wing chun and taichi. Describing the beginning of one technique is the ending of another is alot like flow drills, Push Hands or Chi soa
Great video i like Peter consterdine i still feel however that a closed fist is more power and damaging I practice both open hand and closed but still feel there's more impact with a closed fist.
More damaging to the face yes. Better force transmission to the brain- how?
@@Sfourtytwo there both damaging to the brain both have advantages and disadvantages i practice both but prefer closed fist punching I've actually hit one of those psi machines and i had a higher psi with punching and a lower psi with open hand strikes but one guy that i seen hit a higher psi with an open hand then fist i feel for beginners its better and easyer to strike with an open hand punching takes more conditioning and practice but in my opinion does more damage
I’ve always just naturally used this method and others similar to it and I will say that this works unbelievably well! This method is definitely an equalizer for smaller guys! It’s so cool to see somebody else doing this👍🏻
I met Peter when i was on a coarse in the late 1980's.
He was this good then.
Very nice guy.
Course
I was lucky to train with Mr conderdine I can testify to the power of his double hip punch which I took the time to learn anyone I showed it to was impressed it really is a wonderful technique don't listen to the naysayers
This is super effective, with assumption the opponent just stand there without any footwork
These kind of demonstrations are meant to explain THE MECHANIC behind the movement. If it's effective or not it depends on how much you trained it and how good your opponent is.
Low kicks are great due to their versatility and high reward low risk but preforming one above an even slightly wet floor can backfire and make lose your balance.
It's all situational, all hypothetical.
That is the basic striking principle in Choy Lay Fut... Fight Perfect should have watched this before they made that Systema video. This is great to have this explained in such detail in one place.
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This guys really good,I’m not just saying that .very knowledgeable and trained man who has a legitimate answer and explanation for every question asked
That's pretty much brush knee twist step from yang style tai chi (when done right)
Well, Karate had to come from somewhere, right? What a coincidence...
@@DimitriMoreira It's all the same really, There's only so many ways to move the body.
@@shaunclubberlang2887 Indeed. Hence why I think that to go as close to "kung fu" (perfection) as you can get is to practice JeetKuneDo. I did so for a few months while studying in the US a decade ago, but... it's nothing like any other fighting style. Literally nothing like any other. Bruce, IMHO, did an outstanding job of covering the flaws of most commonly-known fighting styles and exploiting them.
When done right...exactly.
Ng lun choy (five wheell fist), is a basic form in Choy Lee Fut Kun Fu, and its the essence is what you are explaining. Thank you very much.