Soundcheck Blindfold Challenges - Crash Cymbals
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2019
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Jared and Bruce are back with another blind test, and today they're crashing. Cymbals, that is.
Jared and Bruce tested three 18" crashes to see if they could identify each one while blindfolded:
18" Zildjian A Custom Medium Crash
18" Sabian AAX X-Plosion Crash
18" Paiste Signature Full Crash
With all three of these crash cymbals a similar weight and size, which one will they think sounds the best? Every drummer has their own personal taste. Of the three iconic brands in this video, Bruce plays Zildjian and Jared mostly plays Paiste. They wanted to see which of these cymbals they preferred based on what they heard, not what they saw.
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You should do a cheap vs expensive cymbal blindfold test. With more than 3 cymbals.
Yes, add same Turkish cymbals like Istanbul or the "cheap" Zultan (the "house"-brand from Thomann). I doubt, if the expensive cymbals are always the best sounding.
The marketing department at the big brand did make good jobs. But are the cymbals really better? I don't know.
Zildjian Planet Z
Sabían Sbr
Menil HCS
Paiste Pst 3
Wuhan.
Love Zultan!!
I love my paiste cymbals, but careful what you wish for. For better or for worse, marketing and placebo effects probably make up most of our opinions past a certain standard quality is reached. You might find that people can’t tell the difference and our purchases were too expensive 😬
You really missed an opportunity to name this video "Crash Test Dummies"
Crash test Drummers.
hahaha :))) Thanks for the laugh
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Crash test drummies
5 star comment 😂
Bruce looks like he's having an endorsement crisis at the end, hahahaha. Loving these videos, guys!
Kinda ironic since he actually left Paiste for Zildjian a bit before this and is maybe second guessing
Alternate Title: Jared almost loses his Paiste endorsement
😂
I would love to see a blind test of dark rides ... Meinl, Paiste, Zildjian K
I know an AAX Xplosion when I hear one. The most underated and versatile crash ever
Underrated? everybody loves that cymbals
@@javierjakal was gonna say this as well, multiple Sabian reps have said that AAX Xplosion is one of their best selling lines of crashes.
I am a diehard Paiste fan and the AAX Xplosion crash has been one of my favorites for awhile.
In comparison to the fame of the A series and the Paistes, AAXplosions I’d say aren’t as recognised. I’m not disputing they aren’t a popular Sabian crash
So I did the blindfold game and I guessed each one right.
The Zildjian was bright and glassy.
The Paiste was bright and silky.
The Sabian was bright and a bit warmer compared to the Zildjian.
Overall, my favourite of the bunch was the Paiste. To me it sounded like a perfect complexion of brightness with a touch of dark, silky wash. It also sounded the most musical to my ears where it could fit into more genres of music better compared to the other 2.
To be fair the AAX is tuned more towards metal
I actually got them all right wow. Zildjian has that distinct higher pitch shimmer to them, sabian has a slight raspy sound when laid into, and paiste just has that wonderful smoothness that I love. Paiste all the way for me.
Same!
Such unfortunate taste
@@Gavynnnnnyou’re opinion holds no more bearing than his does. It’s subjective. Stfu
That Paiste sounded unreal
Well is the more expensive, is worth double what the sabian does.
@@micaelmunoz5417 Not here in Europe at least. Here the Paiste is only slightly more expensive.
@@benoitwolff2750 well yeah but i live literally in the other side of the world and paiste's are really overpriced (top of the line, like 2002, rude or signature's) are twice the price of a Zildjian A custom or Sabian top lines so why would you even look at paiste's at least you like them or dont care bout the money they dont have a good relation quality/price in my opinion, although lot of people here in Chile loves them and they are way more sold than Sabian's but not than Zildjian. I wouldn't spend my money on them but thats just me my first cymbals were a set of paiste's 101 made in Germany over 15 years ago, they have a fond place in my heart. Those paiste are also manufactured in Switzerland so there's maybe why in Europe they are cheaper than here.
@@micaelmunoz5417 Thats interesting. I'm from Germany and Paiste 2002 and Rudes are cheaper than a lot of Sabians and Zildjians. Signatures are quite expensive though but not a lot more expensive than AAXs as I mentioned. The best sounding cymbals are Meinl Bzyance in my opinion though which are unfortunately often the most expensive cymbals you can buy here. I like Paistes overall but Paiste lacks good sounding chinas and doesn't offer cymbals with a brilliant finish made of b20 bronze which is unfortunate.
@@benoitwolff2750 hahaha that's true tho the price of signature paiste's are insane here is like 100usd more than a zildjian K. I dont like paiste's china either they are wayy too hard made from b8 alloy. Well if you ask me Byzance is the only line i like from meinl. The other meinls sounds really bad to my ears.
It doesn't matter what the company is, just the sound
Until they give you free cymbals :P
Yeah I agree
Yeap, it's very easy to be fooled with your eyes. :)
my 21” zildjian sweet ride is the best crash i’ve ever played. had it on my kit since 2004. i’ve played and owned other crashes and nothing even compares
Do it with other cymbals! Rides, hi-hat, chinas, other crashes!
Paiste sounds best, but Signature is from a different price range than A Custom/AAX.
I've been playing Paiste signatures for over 10 years and I wouldn't buy anything else.
True
True. The signature with the K´s and HH´s would be defying.
@@jcsk8 sigs are are bright though and K and HH arent so i think this vid was a pretty fair comparison
I so appreciate that you’re doing this. I’ve been listening to cymbal samples for weeks. It’s way harder than I ever thought it would be. Thanks guys!
My drum tutor told me that Sabian and Zildjian used to be the same company at one point and this makes me believe that the A custom and AAX are made quite similarly to one another and so to my ears sound quite similar, however overall the Paiste topped the 3 in my opinion, let’s hear some Snare heads!!
You are correct tbe brothers split and thus Sabian were born
Paiste has always been more consistent from cymbal to cymbal than the other brands but you can´t beat a thin, hand picked A-custom for versatility.
Paiste will be always more consistent due to the manufacturing process. Maybe Ufip is bit similar in this. Turkish way brings more variety. That is why I like them more even it sucks to find exactly what you want. You can order Paiste by a manual. If you crack one, and want the same, just go to random e-shop, add to the basket and here you go. The difference will be insignificant. Not possible with Zildjian, Sabian, (Istambul, Anatolyian, Turkish, Zultan, Mehteran...)
Like chef’s testing their pallets, this was a brilliant idea and fun video! I LOVE how y’all continue to evolve from lessons and resources to documentary style videos and now “blind” sound tests. SERIOUSLY BRILLIANT and has influenced how I will purchase equipment in the future - seriously. MORE PLEASE!
I'm more of a Sabian guy myself, but from what I heard in this video the A-custom sounds beautifully clean and bright which I love.
I nailed it!!! This is what I loved about the AAX XPLOSION. They open up very well, have great body, and are real shimmery. Im going back
Endorsed by "Paiste" for years...."Paiste Signature Series" have been my choice all the way! .......Thanks Drumeo!
Do a LOT of these videos. It really helps those of us that aren't brand specific choose cymbals.
how?
Been playing Zildjian and Sabian for 20 years now but I am about to buy this Paiste. It sounds unreal
I love these blindfold tests, do more please! Theyre enjoyable to watch and I like not looking and finding out what I really like.
I play zildjian A's now but my first kit from a pawn shop back in '91 came with Paiste 2002's. LOVED those cymbals!
The Paiste crash has that particular Paiste sounding, makes it unique. But I love the Zildjian and Sabian. any of them for me.
All three were very appealing in their own way.
You're right, I think the Paiste is the easiest to recognize because it's quite different from the other 2.
That or I've watched way too many cymbal videos because I bought a set a few months back.
All these are too harsh for my liking. I prefer darker cymbals, personally. I used to play A Customs, but have moved to K series (K Sweets currently). Great videos!
Same with me, I started with Paiste Signature Line cymbals and moved to Paiste Masters cymbals, I could never go back
dream cymbals are my jam 👌🏻
Chris Goodwin I like the dry Meinls a lot. Check them out if you haven’t already. They have a sustained sound but a nice body and they’re very thin
@@user-id2dx4qd6j I do like the Meinl products, but my preference is Zildjian. I'd most likely play Meinl otherwise. I've enjoyed what I've played from them
Chris Goodwin for me it goes 1. Meinl 2. Zildjian 3. Paiste
Yep, I'm a Sabian AAX fan. Love mine. I have that same 18" AAX X-Plosion Crash as well as the 16 of it.
Always tough to determine the sounds on UA-cam. But, I've been playing a mixture of Sabian and Paiste for 30 years and while I love my recent AAX Sabians, the 17" Paiste Sound Formula Thin Crash and the 8" Paiste Sound Formula Splash I have are by far my favourites. In fact, even when other long time accomplished bands we have supported that used our backline all the drummers have gotten off stage and commented how beautiful the Paiste Sound Formula's are. It's all subjective on what a person likes, but for me I love the Sabians and will never part with them but, the Paiste are on another level for me.
Nice test ! Really enjoyed it guys keep up the good work. That Paiste sounded really good I own all Zildjian Custom A's. Great job guys
I switched to Paiste about a year ago and this demonstration in my opinion shows why. Paiste just sounds smooth as silk...
An easy test I learned for looking for a good cymbal is, listen to the decay. Ideally you want the highs, and lows to taper off in volume together. A cymbal that has a long low hum after the highs are gone is probably not a well tuned and crafted cymbal.
If you listen to the first cymbal - the Zildjian A- you can hear how fast the sound of the highs are gone and the lows keep resonating. Paiste is near perfect when it comes to this test. All the pitches decay together, which also means it's tuned to a pitch, which they are.
I love cymbals, and in my time have heard many types.
It's really hard to top Paiste Signature Series, but if there is a cymbal that is close, I would give that to UFIP- the most underrated cymbal on the market. UFIP's 8" splash (Class Series) is second to none, and no one's even close to that splash, seriously, buy one if you can find it, you will be amazed, I promise.
Sabian's Artisan are pretty amazing too.
I've my own 18" Signature Paiste for almost 10 years and I love it... best crash I've ever played
I got one too and I immediately recognized it! Great cymbal!
They are all lovely. Paiste have a unique sound. Zildjian and Sabian are both very similar. Honestly I’d be happy with any of the 3 in my rig.
Had an 18” Paiste Rude ride/crash. I loved that symbol. I couldn’t hear anything for a second or 2 after I hit it though 🤣
The Sabian sounds like a Zildjian that's worn in. I actually have that Zildjian at home, and I would have sworn blindly that was it. However, the Zildjian sounds very different when new, almost like a smashing glass kind of sound!
I've owned both a custom 18 and AAXPLOSION 18. I always felt that the zildjian had that ripping sound at high volume that was great for heavy music, but the aaxplosion was more smooth but rises to an absolute roar when crash riding. I slightly prefer the AAXPLOSION but they are both great.
They're all great sounding cymbals. very cool. I play mostly Paiste Signatures and i love them. But i have to admit that
the Zildjian and the Sabian are very surprising.
1st time I heard the Paiste 18" signature full crash I thought it was the best crash cymbal I'd ever heard!
These are fun videos. Plz keep them comings!
I have sabian son my kit but I have no qualms about playing any brand if it sounds good. All those cymbals sounded great.
I chose the Paiste on this test but I have no loyalty to just one cymbal company. I own a variety from all 3 manufacturers plus an Instanbul Mel Lewis sizzle ride and they are all incredible with their own distinct feel, look and sound.
El Paiste de lejos!! Que hermoso suena. Sonido inconfundible. Great video!!
I nailed that one!
I used to play this game at the store I taught at when my friends would stop by, and I didn't have any students.
I would also work the sales floor, and helped countless people pick out cymbals.
Personally I've been playing Paiste since 1990 - because of the sound.
Please more videos like this!
Cymbals sound so different when you are at a distance! I used to have a 400 Paiste hihat which I didn’t like when playing it close but one time I lent it to a friend and it sounded ten times better from a distance! It was VERY VERY GOOD from a distance while I didn’t like it when playing it myself. Thanks for the great video and next time make sure you can listen to them from a distance!
I play Zildjian Avedis and A Customs but I love the sound of Signature Paiste’s for the same reasons mentioned in the video. They’ve got that quick, bright sound to them and don’t seem to have such a heavy metallic sound. But at the end of the day, all three cymbals are fantastic.
Maybe also with Drum Kits brands! and maybe Vintage drums.
Loved the play along
The Zildjian sound the best to me. It was very crisp. Please do one on ride cymbals?
Ride cymbals are on the way. :)
My guess was Zildjian, then Paiste, then Sabian. I was surprised that the Sabian was the outlier for me that I couldn't figure out, in person I've always preferred Sabian. Awesome video!!
Cool video guys! Very enjoyable!
Been looking for some new cymbals and I tell you what, Paiste has sold it for me, they’re such a beautiful and amazing sounding cymbals! Love them!
I would love to see a blind test like this behind a kit. Cymbals. Toms and everything. It would be awesome to see what can be noticed and what can't this way.
May show beginners it isn't about expensive equipment.
How they both identified the Paiste… Tells alot about how similar Sabian and Zildjian are most of the times
Zilgen and samian are cast bronze. Paste Signature is a sophisticated sheet metal cymbal.
@@davidpatrick9369 not to detract from the Paiste, but usually sheet metal is the opposite of sophisticated as it tends to be cheaper 😂
In this instance, Paiste uses sheet metal because it's much easier to be consistent, and they're renowned for this. When you buy 2 identical Paistes they're going to sound the same, whereas Zildjian and Sabian leave in some differences - especially in their hand hammered cymbals. Hence the suggestion to try before buying.
All 3 are really sweet cymbals anyway, wouldn't regret owning either.
Great and funny test. I do prefer the Paiste. It opens up at lower volumes and also have a nice balance in the entire register with its characteristically bright shimmering high tones. But all three are great cymbals.
I own about 40 pAisTe crashes.
And the 18 Signature Full crash is Definitely top 3.
Sup! What if you didn't block your ears with the blindfold? I think it would help
Awesome video!!!
I have an Xplosion 18", I was kinda 50/50 on it when I first got it, but it's grown on me a lot after owning it for 3 years. Zildjian I have 17" A Custom projection, for Paiste I have 18" Rude wild and 16" Rude thin. All good cymbals.
I do agree with the Paiste opening up faster and it has a distinct wash. I have been playing Paiste Rude for 30 years. Perfect for thrash.
Jared you make me want to go back to using Paiste everytime i seen your videos man. But they need to bring back Dimensions and original Sound Formula
Yes!!!!!
Sound formula is basically the signature line. Dimensions is big beat. They are only got renamed but exactly the same hammering and lathe. There you go!
As someone who has played Sabian since HS in 1991, I did like the AAX better.
I was shocked to find that the Paiste were my very close 2nd. It sounded really awesome....and for much of my drumming life, I didn't like Paiste's sound, but it has improved tremendously.
Paiste sounds the best to my ear. All are good sounding. In my favorite listening order i would have to say paiste, sabian, zildjian. Although the sabian and zildjian were kind of a toss up tie. I own the A custom thin crashes. I like the 19” thin but don’t care that much for the 17” thin crash. 🤷🏼♂️ Good blindfold comparison video 👍
My friends claim Zeldjians are the best and always try to back it up saying that most skilled Drummers use it but when we do blind tests they always pick Paiste! Most People are just visualy conditioned or influenced by thier favorite drummers rather than thier own ears.
The Aax -xplosion and A custom have very similar sound signature but the a custom has a quicker decay than the x-plosion crashes. That's why the a customs are really great in the studio. Live, I would go for the xplosion crashes.
Oh my good! I´m playing Sabian and Zildjian, but at this comparison the Paiste Full Crash was my favourite. So what...
When I record I use an AAX 16in crash, a HHX 18in crash a Paiste Signature 19in crash and a 1970 heavy Zildjian 18in ride. All sound different and awesome together..
They all sound good, but the the Paiste has that classic warmness to it which always makes them a cut above.
The best cymbal is the one that you like the most.
Thanks for that
I have all Paiste Signature fast crashes (love the bright, glassy sound), a Sabian B8 Pro ride, and Zildjian Rock hi-hats. I'm a cymbal company's endorsement nightmare. However, the cymbals that blow my mind are Murat Diril. I'm playing the lottery every week trying to afford those.
I use the HHX Evolution cymbals. I'm not really a fan of medium weight crashes--so I prefer the paiste since it really does open up more better than the Zildjian and the Sabian AAX.
A Custom is my favorite...I can tell one of those all day long. There's a special glassy type of wash that other cymbals just don't have
wow, i got them all right. I have this exact sabian model so that might have helped
My favorite was the Paiste, but none of them can align with what's on my drum kit when my drum kit is coated in Meinl! 😁
Nice and curious! Thanks! :)
You need to do one for rides, would be cool hearing if people can pick out the sabians and paistes.
I love this !
the best to me i think its the sabian aax!! it has a very crash heavy sound
I would love if we as viewers could play along.
If you don't show us what you're playing while blindfolded and then reveal the answers at the end we can have a chance at guessing as well.
You guys should try this with snares. great concept!
Please do more videos like this
Heck I honestly don't really like Sabian in the grand scheme of things, but that AAX got me
The A custom sounds brilliant !
I immediately recognized the 3rd one, the AAX x-plosion, 16" version of it I used for everything for 7 years. How can these guys not recognize their own sponsored cymbals? lol
The only one I recognised was the Paiste, because it sounded like my 2002. And this is the one I preferred out of the 3.
If you guys do a ride cymbal sound check/blind challenge please include a meinl byzance line in there... I'm interested to see what kind of opinions are out there on that.
Damn I got all of them right. At school in our band program we have a Zildjan 18" A custom medium crash so I recognized the sound. And I play Paiste's at home so I recognized the iconic sound you get as soon as you hit a Paiste. I figured out the Sabian by process of elimination.
For me, the best cymbal is 18" Paiste signature full crash because the sound is very open and bright I like'it.
Besides, I like drumeo!
Thank for reading. Sorry for my mistakes I'm French 🇫🇷
I’m surprised how much that AAX sounded similar to the Signature except the bell was much clearer on the AAX. I love all my signatures but their bells are too papery for my taste. Must be the B20 in Sabian and Zildjian that makes a great bell.
Paiste was my favorite. I've always felt Paiste cymbals open up faster than even the best of the Zildjian brands. But I will say they should not have compared a Paiste Signature to two brilliant finish cymbals. Unless I'm mistaken, Paiste doesn't buff their cymbals, so those Zildjians were already way behind, as buffing a cymbal takes away some of its overall range and brilliance (ironically).
The Paiste was my favorite personally, it sounded a little less harsh
You have to take the effect of the sounds you're used to into account. Any drummer will drift toward the sounds they're used to. It would be nice to expand the test with other brands like Meinl, Dream, Murat, etc. Nice video!
i was correct on the ziljian only. The Bright glassy sound from A custom is unique. maybe is too bright but still easy to reconise.
I am a Paiste man, but I have a few Zildjian cymbals in my collection due to cost. Now that I have money to spend on such things, I don't have the time to play my drums anymore.
That being said, I knew all three right away. The Zildjian cymbals sound way too high-end for my liking, while Paiste has that full sound. I expected the Sabian to sound more like Zildjian, but I thought it sounded much more similar to Paiste.
Wow what an eye opener... usually I'm only a fan of zildjian A coustom... I think the paiste sounded the best (I am on my phone not a high dollar stereo)... but this might have me looking for paste now.... would be interested in meinl coustom cymbals it there....
It'a crazy how your eyes can change your mind on the sound. :)
i like your blinfold videos so far. my suggestion would be to only tell what you liked the most and ranking that instead of guessing brands. it`s fun to watch it though. i play paiste cymbals, mostly 2002s because i liked the sound the most when i was trying out cymbals at the music store. i am pretty unsure if i bought the same cymbals if i had tested them blindfolded. i guess this goes for drums as well. the eye always is pretty impotant when you purchase anything.
Played along, was curious. Very surprised by the sabian as well, I was with them and thought Sabian right away for the first cymbal. I ofcourse knew my Paiste sig 18" full right away. Probably best sounding crash out there (tooootally not biased). I think he's right about it's probably the weight making the zildjian and sabian not so good.
I also have noticed the Paiste sig crashes tapper to really thin edges, things are like blades lol! Paiste 2002 / Rudes are twice as think at the edge and feel like "normal" edge thickness
Hello. You may check Andertons music co for same kind of videos, but from guitar perspective. I like how they mostly do not know actual models of guitars/pedals before a test. You may follow same route and have someone to choose cymbals/drums/etc for you. Greetings from Ukraine. Thank you for your work. Really inspiring.
For me: #1 paiste signature
#2 sabian AAX
#3 Zildjian A custom
I love these blindfold challenges. I think so many people listen with their eyes and their pocket books. This proves it all wrong.
Very true, we do that with everything! Even food!