If I may be resident rocket safety knowledge guy: the flame diverter is in fact one of TWO very important safety things Elon just decided “yeah we don’t need this”, the other being a sound suppression system (which is just a bunch of water jets) to prevent the sonic boom from the exhaust from damaging the rocket or pad. At least 3 engines on this thing failed on liftoff because they just didn’t bother to install incredibly basic safety features.
I was basically OK with Elno destroying his own shit, but one you start dropping concrete on other people that's really bad. Move fast and break things, fine, but they have be YOUR things.
@@jamesadfowkesthat's the real issue with libertarian mindset, they love pretending their actions don't effect others and are therefore fine, but they inevitability always do end up harming others.
Oh hey, a video about my hometown's local disaster! Literally every time we drove over the new Skyway Bridge, my mom would either be like "oh yeah those piers are where the old one used to be before it collapsed" or "your grand-uncle killed himself on the old bridge" like thanks that's just what I needed to hear every time
I quite literally only heard of this disaster in high school, despite living here my whole life, despite how many people I know have this kind of knowledge of it :/
I mainly know about it because there used to be a display in downtown St. Petersburg* of old St. Pete Times front pages, one of which was about the disaster. I think the picture on the first slide is what was on the front page. *For St. Pete/Pinellas folks - this was when Baywalk was around, on the first story of the parking garage, in the walkway running from one side of the garage to the other.
So I live right beside where this bridge ends in St Pete. An interesting supernatural note: Some parts of the original bridge were left intact to serve as fishing piers which are still in use today. They say that if you go out on the fishing piers in the early morning on a foggy day, you may, around 8 o'clock, see the ghost of the Greyhound bus falling through the fog toward the water. People who report seeing the passengers in the bus say that all of them are screaming/clearly in their final terrified moments, except for one elderly woman who waves and smiles a toothless grin at whoever is unfortunate enough witness this sight.
We need to band together and build Rocz a full scale flight sim cockpit except for podcasting. He has to sit down in the chair, close the door so his cats can't get in, and put on a headset. 3 switches with the flip covers to enable 3 redundant power supplies, flip switches that turn on zencaster and audition. A big red button on the centre console to arm the nu-I mean start the recording. The main flight column controls the slides by moving left or right, and we replace the hat on the joystick with a ThinkPad nipple so he can John Madden. There's a stick shaker that activates if he has less than 200GB of available disk space. The oxygen mask is hooked up to a supply of Kentucky Whiskey, and he has a small bathroom like the Su-34 kitchen that he can get up and go into.
Re listening to this today, the day the Key bridge in Baltimore collapsed, after listening to all the news people saying a bridge falling due to a boat strike is unprecedented.
1:15:40 “Ask them about it when you get up there” led me to imagine the NTSB using ouija boards to ask the victims about the accident, and then the ghosts spell out “IDK, TOO FOGGY TO SEE”
I worked as an electrician on the construction of the new bridge after the accident. The new bridge is constructed of precast hollow sections that are cable tensioned together. When the final two sections were raised and tensioned to specification they failed to meet by almost six inches. The whole project went on hiatus while the engineers went back to their calculations to determine what was wrong. After around a month of work stoppage the engineers came back with their brilliant solution. This was to simply keep increasing the cable tension until the sections met. We were assured that this was perfectly safe as the cables had an excess load capacity of 200%. So we did as we were told and successfully mated the sections. The issue being that we used up more than half of the cable's theoretical "excess" load capacity to do so. I never have liked driving across that bridge . . .
The members of "Republic" that were arrested for having "locking on devices" had in fact in their van a large bag of 5mm cableties. These were in fact to hold together the placards that their van was full of, but with the Metropolitan Police your shoelaces will be classified as a "locking on device".
@@cgunugc Under the new law it is at the discretion of the Police, so yes anything that might be locked could be interpreted as a locking on device and so as reason to arrest you and or confiscate device if they "have reason" to believe you intend to cause inconvenience with it. It is a terrible law that gives the police in this and other areas the right to just close down a protest.
I know the law is utter bollocks - but at times like this you need to think like a middle-aged woman (like myself) - comfy elastic-waisted trousers (or a pair of leggings, who gives a ...) and slip on shoes. "What locking-on, officer? Tell me if you can find one. My bra doesn't count." Anyway. Currently in Germany where yesterday I was teaching someone the "all coppers are cunts" rhyme. Good times...
16:13 I love how Devon could have left the warning at "Don't do illegal stuff," but instead decided to put "Don't do illegal stuff, unless it'd be funny."
I was born and raised in Germany. Lived in a small village called Huisberden growing up and from my bedroom window I could see the Rhine Bridge in Emmerich. As a kid I was convinced that it would collapse one day so my dad got me binoculars and I would check on it every morning lol. It never did come crashing down (yet) and today, living in New Jersey, I worry about basically everything around me collapsing, all the time. The infrastructure, the foundations of buildings, everything in this country is build to fail and its terrifying.
i accidentally opened another wtyp episode during the end of this news segment and I spent a solid 2 minutes thinking they were incredibly committed to the bit of talking over each other about entirely different topics I simply failed to notice 😭
The thought of Muskrat attempting to fire a nuclear salt engine in-atmo is horrifying because of the lethal consequences and the likelihood that he would do it.
@@TemplarOnHigh I'm pretty sure that'd be a step up from a NSWR. It's like propelling a spacecraft by running two continuous Chernobyl explosions behind it. ua-cam.com/video/cvZjhWE-3zM/v-deo.html
I live right outside of St Pete and I absolutely hate going over this bridge. I know it’s different now and safe, but people are such bad drivers here that I just constantly envision getting hit and going over the barriers
Well, to be fair, people are bad drivers everywhere now, since people stopped raising their kids in the 80's and let them run wild. I can't even get out of my driveway half the time without some dildo getting all GTA5 at me, so I can understand getting the boo-boo-jeebies on a 7-mile thing as wide as my yard, in the ocean, with a middle bit so high, your car unofficially qualifies as aircraft.
As a Wisconsinite, I feel obligated to tell you that they didn't have to dye the margarine back in the day! They specifically WERE NOT allowed to dye it because they'd been making it yellow (to make it look more like butter). It was only available in its natural white color (unless you bought it [from someone who bought it] in Illinois, as is the cultural custom of the Wisconsinite.)
I'm going to venture that this video is going to get an influx of views in light of the Francis Scott Key bridge disaster of March 26 2024. My deepest sympathies for those affected.
I was about to say that watching this after the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse is so eerie. Essentially the same thing has happened. Big boat, apparently lost power and steering, pushed into the bridge pier by currents and killed the bridge.
Microbursts are GNARLY and you don't want to be caught outside in one. They have straight line winds that can snap large trees and push down fences, and pelt everything with all the hail, all at once.
It's surprisingly hard to actually slip on a banana peel. My brother and I were thinking about that concept when we were kids so we ate a bunch of bananas, threw the peels on the kitchen floor, and attempted to slip on them. The banana peels actually had a surprising amount of traction so maybe they have to be well into the process of rotting or something or maybe it's just an urban legend that you can slip on them. We decided the best way to slip on the kitchen floor was either to just wear socks in there or to spray cooking spray on the floor. Otherwise, that floor isn't very slippery.
evidently they were put in in the first place as vaudeville shorthand. back in ye olde days, people fell over all the time, in hilarious fashion, by slipping on something, but it wasn't banana peels, it was horse shit. looks just like any other bit of dirt in the city, until your foot lands on it, and you go flying. but you can't go bringing horse shit into the comedy hall. so, uh. banana peels. people in the 1900s were weird.
I've heard that there are other varieties of bananas with much oilier peels that are better for that sort of thing (producing a sort of grease when crushed), but they're not commonly grown/eaten today, and I'm not sure if they were ever as common as portrayed in slapstick comedy.
@@zmanzono nah it is really good, but it’s good AFTER you get converted to regular- in most cities you gotta spend about a year or so as a CCA (city carrier assistant) and that’s the part that sucks.
@@zmanzono i did my CCA period from January 2020 to January 2022. Made it just in time to get hit with COVID volume and workforce reductions. Made 85 thousand dollars my first year on 19.75 an hour. The math is depressing bit its a lot better now lol
When hasn't the US been thinking about fascism, letting infrastructure rot and flooding places with drugs? Those are some of the US' favourite things to do!
Its defo one of those pictures that sticks with you, theres a similar one for the Ponte Morandi bridge, but the fact that the lil section is sloped down just adds another level of horror to it, like the car could just roll off. Not helping is that bridge is pretty tall too
Same. I crossed FSK Bridge dozens of times and each time I was terrified. It felt like I was suspended hundreds of feet in the air by nothing while going 75 miles per hour, the roadway version of a zipline at Action Park. Watching it go down knowing exactly what it feels like at the top of it has shaken me up. I have never been more personally affected by a news story since the Charlottesville Invasion, like I am on the verge of a PTSD episode thinking about how it would have felt driving that bridge while it collapsed.
Im never surprised with our country's inability to prevent things from falling after getting whacked real hard by other things. Like it shouldn't really happen more than once, right?
@@Alex-RealApplebeesthere are plenty of cases where that is a fair complaint to have, but I don't think it is fair in this particular case, the bridge was built in 1977, cargo ships back then weren't even close to be as massive as they are today, and there are safeguards behind the bridge, is just that the incident probably happened in the one in a million spot where losing power would just leave inertia to do its thing
@@murciadoxial8056I agree, but mainly Id say that we would've learned to put barriers before the piers after the first time. I guess that could just be a bias of mine having spent so much time along the Mississippi, where its seemingly more common for that sort of infrastructure.
6:00 as a big fan of the starship project (the engineering and the people who designed it, not elon) but two other thing to mention is that the flight termination system (the self destruct system) took around 50 seconds to actually destroy the rocket after it was fired (the FAA does not like this, neither do I), I believe the reason for this was that all it really did was poke a hole in the fuel tank and hope that was enough (other rockets have a big bomb between the fuel and oxidizer tanks, I dont know why they didnt do this, its not hard). The other thing was that not only did they not have a flame diverter (like every other launch site), they also didnt have a water deluge system, which is basically this mega sprinkler that cools the exhaust (to protect the flame diverter) and dampens the sound of the rocket since rockets are so loud they can damage themselves from the reflected engine noise. as a small sidenote: the exhaust velocity of the Raptor 2 engines (the 33 engines that starship/superheavy uses) is around 3400m/s, or mach 9.9 which should tell you everything you need to know about how destructive rocket exhaust can be
Fun fact for you, Liam, not sure if you were aware; but being a mailman allows you to apply for a Class III weapons dealer permit, allowing you to purchase fully automatic firearms. Do with that information what you will. As always, love the podcast, keep it up all!
For two episodes in a row, I’ve been actively looking for a podcast episode to listen to, when I got the notification that a new WTYP dropped. Thank you for your excellent timing
The margarine law was that they WEREN'T allowed to dye it. This made margarine look pale and lardy, as opposed to golden and buttery. They used to sell powdered dye you stirred into your margarine to make it more appetizing.
@@steemlenn8797 I don't know what the dye was back in the day. Today beta carotene is used to color most margarine, and that would have been available from the initial availability of margarine on.
@@steemlenn8797 Well Cadmium did used to be a legal food additive (it still is, but in a regulated state) and Cadmium is both poisonous and (sometimes) radioactive, so I guess anything is possible!
I had the worst droving experience of my life on the new sunshine skyway bridge: driving across it at 3 am driving back home from ft Lauderdale and my tire pops at the apex of the bridge right next to those yellow support pylons. Have to stop on the (not kidding) 5 ft wode shoulder. Cars flying past me at 60 mph blaring their horns at me, its windy as hell and dark, its raining, and I have to lean against the like 3 ft tall side wall of the bridge to fix my tire while looking hundreds of feet down to what was likely my certain doom on a bridge already known for suicides. Cop comes by to "check" on me (make sure i wont jump) and just leaves doing nothing. Like 3 times i was almost blown off the side. Good times
as far as I know, the big bridge always being painted urban legend is one of those things that used to be true, but is not anymore. Originally these large bridges needed to painted continually, but with the invention of better paints, the paint would be more durable and the bridges needed to be painted less often, so starting at the beginning as soon as you were done at the end was no longer needed.
The version I've heard - which is currently on Wikipedia, for what that's worth - is that they would regularly be painting the bridge, but not from end to end - just touching up the paint where it got weathered as part of regular maintenance.
Felt like listening to this one again. No particular reason. 1:30:07 Francis Scott Key Bridge opened 1977, three years too early. Then again, that means they had 46 years to add dolphins.
8:07 Intrestingly Cape Kanaveral isnt a counter example of digging below the water table. It was considered enough of a hasel that instead they built up their launch platforms on huge earthwork mounds so the bottom of the trench would be at normal ground level.
The Safety Third segment reminded me that my friend recently got her helicopter safety training, and told me that what really shocked her is that A. they emphasize just how many people get killed by the rotors and B. how much of the helicopter is unsafe to use as a handle because they're often designed to just pop off
Ms. Greece was probably from Tarpon Springs, which is a large Greek community north of St Pete; my recollection is they used to do pageants and whatnot.
I'm amused that in Liam's rant about creating a Tampa/Philadelphia rivalry, he didn't mention that the Rays and Phillies literally played a World Series against each other. Granted, the Rays are over in St. Pete, and this was in 2008, 15 years ago. ...Oh god 2008 was 15 years ago, I'm getting old.
Quick note about the Forth Rail Bridge at 35:24 - The "urban legend" about the idea that the Forth Bridge is always being painted WAS true Until 2011; There was almost always a maintainance team who did start at one at end of the bridge, and paint until they got to the other end - This is mostly true, in that the repaint program did function in this way, but maintainance teams repainted critical areas as and when required. This, however, all stopped in 2011 as for the first time, the maintainance team switch to using an glass flake epoxy coating, which will last at least 25 years. There is still a Maintainance team that care for the bridge and who work closely with Network Rail Scotland for Railway maintainance. The maintainance team can now switch fofcus to other important things; In the next year, a new visitor center will open and you will be able to go to the top of the bridge for paid excursions. If Rosz and Liam do visit Alice here in Scotland, I will endevour my utmost to get Rosz to the top, with Liam's help, of course.
Ever since I've heard someone describe Santos as the "Roger" (from the show 'American Dad') of the US Congress, I've never been able to get the association out of my head. XD
25:00 As someone raised in Tampa from '94 to 2013, let me tell you something you are totally right about that place. It's like a slightly run down hotel room, it's not terrible but it's got nothing and it subtly reminds you at all times how it wouldn't take much to be so much better. Supposedly Tampa's claim to fame is (was?) the fact that Dale Mabry had the most strip clubs per mile in the US.
Considering one of the landmarks represented on the tampa level of Tony hawks underground 2 was the 2001 Odyssey Nude strip club on that road, that last fact wouldn't surprise me lol
I listen and watch a couple of other disaster and safety focussed channels. Its always fun seeing what details yall focus on that they misss and vice versa. The jokes also help relieve the grimmness.
Critical support for the full WTYP team, no podcaster is an island, it is the delicate balance of forces that makes the pod such a joy, rather similar to a cantilever bridge.
I don't remember where I heard it, but I believe I recall that the position of the old bridge was at a spot where shipping needed to be turning while going under it, making entering the bay more difficult, especially in a storm.
They mentioned us! Come back to PEI! The Confed bridge is ugly but it changed our commercial landscape. A lot of products we didn't have before. Day trips off island are possible. It should be free though. They said it would be for Islanders by now. Still gotta pay to leave our province
Don't feel bad, I live in NW Indiana and They said the Indiana Toll Road would be free when it was paid for, and it's still a toll road. Ya & it was opened in 1956. Nineteen Goddam Fifty Fucking Six. Not only that, but about 20 years ago, the State of Indiana sold it to some foreign idiots who managed to go bankrupt while basically owning a money printer, and now an Australian company owns it. Which means that, since Australia has been infected with globalism and is now dead to the living, the road has signs that display globalist babysitting, like "don't drink and drive", "use your seatbelt", and other things your cat knows, for fuxake. On rare occasions, they display actual information, like "construction ahead". So now, since they bought the road, it has to be paid for again. They'll probably pull the same shit with your bridge, just like here with the Chicago Skyway and all the toll roads in Illinois.
@24:17 Liam, never weaponize your incompetence against your delightful bride to be’s goodwill, but I do support your boomer ass mentality of the wife being the boss 😂 @28:15 STORYTIME my entire geology field trip class almost got arrested in Florida one time for “trespassing” at a phosphate mine. The professor took us to the tailings pile to see all the cool fossil bits leftover after getting the phosphate out of the limestone and security rolled up on us. After talking us the down, the prof got us all smoothies at the fruit stand as a treat 😂
@1:04:40 "And that's a swing and a miss for Liam's attempt at a Pirates of Penzance reference! Let's see how he fares in the final innings with actionable threats and the fan favorite 'shut up' catchphrase!"
You guys, stop it. I haven’t even finished the last episode yet. Don’t spoil me so much. Edit. Liam is becoming a mailman is one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. I was one to 12 years ago but here in the Netherlands though, so no cool post truck for me, we got some neat bike bags though
41:41 Ah, good old Fallout New Vegas . "They asked if I had a degree in theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said 'Welcome aboard'."
As a former Tampa resident, Liam hating on us for 10 minutes and Alice knowing a weird amount about us is all I could ask for. Also, Ybor city is cool and the castle is the best goth club in the world. But other than that you’re basically right.
I can actually give a possible reason for ms Greece being at the opening, just north of St. Petersburg, at the end of that massive span of development you can see in the satellite photos, is a town called tarpon springs. This town has the highest population Greek community in the entire United States by percentage of the population, with today 25 percent of the population being of Greek heritage!
You forgot the goofiest detail of Elon's rocket launch: he decided to launch it earlier than scheduled so it could coincide with the epic reddit bacon meme date of 20th April, aka 420.
Finally, the libertarian le epic reddit answer to finishing the rocket off early as a gift to socialism (and then having it explode). But extra points for failing not in an untested, unestablished field of engineering, but in something that NASA had already figured out in the 70ties, and that Musk apparently needs to rediscover to the tune of billions in gov'ment funding from DARPA.
I must have read too much Cities Skylines patch notes/sequel info yesterday because there was a moment in my dreams last night that “Franklin 14” was about to be released. I don’t even know if that’s the right number but I would be here for it
I've been over the new Sunshine Skyway Bridge more times than I can count. There are cruise ships that go under it (just not the newer, larger ones) and yes, it is a bit anxiety-inducing. Although if your me and my friends being dumb teenagers at 2am, the fun thing to do is shift your car into neutral at the top and coast down to the bottom.
Positive things to say about Florida: the Gulf Coast, where not completely commercialized, is absolutely beautiful and absolutely ranks among the best beaches in the world. Also the Econfina River is nice. The Everglades are real cool. That's it. That's all the good stuff in Florida.
I used to drive over the replacement to this bridge on my commute! It was a fun bridge to drive over in my opinion, but also at the same time it was incredibly terrifying and exhausting, because I was suicidal at the time. Turns out if you are suicidal while driving on that particular bridge, the length and speed and narrowness and height and curves make it IMPOSSIBLE to not be constantly aware of how easy it would be to go through a barrier and die on contact with the ocean by not steering in the correct direction for a quarter of a second. Listening to this episode now, years later, makes me remember that bridge fondly and also really appreciate not being suicidal anymore.
Ah yes the Commodore Barry Bridge, now there's a bridge that's technically always being painted, in that, they'll start to paint a bit of it, but in the process notice a giant hole in the road bed and instead go get the paving equipment and abandon the painting.
If I may be resident rocket safety knowledge guy: the flame diverter is in fact one of TWO very important safety things Elon just decided “yeah we don’t need this”, the other being a sound suppression system (which is just a bunch of water jets) to prevent the sonic boom from the exhaust from damaging the rocket or pad. At least 3 engines on this thing failed on liftoff because they just didn’t bother to install incredibly basic safety features.
So what you're saying is it's a shitbox rocket with straight pipe exhaust
He was just cutting useless red tape, and by red tape I mean the supports for his rocket launch pad
Safety features = anticapitalist.
I was basically OK with Elno destroying his own shit, but one you start dropping concrete on other people that's really bad. Move fast and break things, fine, but they have be YOUR things.
@@jamesadfowkesthat's the real issue with libertarian mindset, they love pretending their actions don't effect others and are therefore fine, but they inevitability always do end up harming others.
Mr. President a second ship has hit the other bridge
Oh hey, a video about my hometown's local disaster!
Literally every time we drove over the new Skyway Bridge, my mom would either be like "oh yeah those piers are where the old one used to be before it collapsed" or "your grand-uncle killed himself on the old bridge" like thanks that's just what I needed to hear every time
I quite literally only heard of this disaster in high school, despite living here my whole life, despite how many people I know have this kind of knowledge of it :/
Same here, just wild that there's like no acknowledgement of this unless you go looking for it
Other than crossing it a few times on family trips, I distinctly recall one of the summer camps I went to at MOSI took us fishing off the pier.
I mainly know about it because there used to be a display in downtown St. Petersburg* of old St. Pete Times front pages, one of which was about the disaster. I think the picture on the first slide is what was on the front page.
*For St. Pete/Pinellas folks - this was when Baywalk was around, on the first story of the parking garage, in the walkway running from one side of the garage to the other.
Wow damn yeah just uh, casual conversation about your uncles suicide huh? That must have been one car ride.
So I live right beside where this bridge ends in St Pete. An interesting supernatural note:
Some parts of the original bridge were left intact to serve as fishing piers which are still in use today. They say that if you go out on the fishing piers in the early morning on a foggy day, you may, around 8 o'clock, see the ghost of the Greyhound bus falling through the fog toward the water. People who report seeing the passengers in the bus say that all of them are screaming/clearly in their final terrified moments, except for one elderly woman who waves and smiles a toothless grin at whoever is unfortunate enough witness this sight.
❤
Thanks for the nightmares mothman
Mothman?! What are you doing here?
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Landlord is selling the property and kicking us out. I needed this episode today...
that happened to my family in march. I hope everything goes well for you 🫂🫂🫂🫂
Aye 2nd to that
motherfuckers, I'm so sorry. I've had that happen a couple times too, it's such shit
Here’s a hug for what you are going through.
Oh Gods. Do we have to go back to Florida? It is a dark cruel place.
We need to band together and build Rocz a full scale flight sim cockpit except for podcasting. He has to sit down in the chair, close the door so his cats can't get in, and put on a headset. 3 switches with the flip covers to enable 3 redundant power supplies, flip switches that turn on zencaster and audition. A big red button on the centre console to arm the nu-I mean start the recording. The main flight column controls the slides by moving left or right, and we replace the hat on the joystick with a ThinkPad nipple so he can John Madden. There's a stick shaker that activates if he has less than 200GB of available disk space. The oxygen mask is hooked up to a supply of Kentucky Whiskey, and he has a small bathroom like the Su-34 kitchen that he can get up and go into.
A casting pod
@@jakx2obyo dawg I heard you like casting pod, so I made you a casting pod so you can cast pod in a casting pod.
Listen, it’s not his nuke, it just *happens* to be in his basement
Re listening to this today, the day the Key bridge in Baltimore collapsed, after listening to all the news people saying a bridge falling due to a boat strike is unprecedented.
1:15:40 “Ask them about it when you get up there” led me to imagine the NTSB using ouija boards to ask the victims about the accident, and then the ghosts spell out “IDK, TOO FOGGY TO SEE”
They might need a customized board with a special space that says “NOT IFR RATED” just to save time
I worked as an electrician on the construction of the new bridge after the accident. The new bridge is constructed of precast hollow sections that are cable tensioned together. When the final two sections were raised and tensioned to specification they failed to meet by almost six inches. The whole project went on hiatus while the engineers went back to their calculations to determine what was wrong. After around a month of work stoppage the engineers came back with their brilliant solution. This was to simply keep increasing the cable tension until the sections met. We were assured that this was perfectly safe as the cables had an excess load capacity of 200%. So we did as we were told and successfully mated the sections. The issue being that we used up more than half of the cable's theoretical "excess" load capacity to do so. I never have liked driving across that bridge . . .
Dont like that
"Hey coast guard, you know how there's a bridge?"
"Yeah?"
"Uhhhh, not anymore."
Pilot: Have you seen the bridge?
Deckhand: I ain't seen the bridge.
Pilot: Where's that confounded bridge?
The members of "Republic" that were arrested for having "locking on devices" had in fact in their van a large bag of 5mm cableties. These were in fact to hold together the placards that their van was full of, but with the Metropolitan Police your shoelaces will be classified as a "locking on device".
Arresting a guy because he has a ‘locking on device’ in his pants
It's illegal to have LOCKS?
or in this case zip ties?
@@deeznoots6241 Guess they have to rip off all the buttons and zippers. Oh, and belt buckles too. And no using your hands to hold them up.
@@cgunugc Under the new law it is at the discretion of the Police, so yes anything that might be locked could be interpreted as a locking on device and so as reason to arrest you and or confiscate device if they "have reason" to believe you intend to cause inconvenience with it. It is a terrible law that gives the police in this and other areas the right to just close down a protest.
I know the law is utter bollocks - but at times like this you need to think like a middle-aged woman (like myself) - comfy elastic-waisted trousers (or a pair of leggings, who gives a ...) and slip on shoes. "What locking-on, officer? Tell me if you can find one. My bra doesn't count."
Anyway. Currently in Germany where yesterday I was teaching someone the "all coppers are cunts" rhyme. Good times...
16:13 I love how Devon could have left the warning at "Don't do illegal stuff," but instead decided to put "Don't do illegal stuff, unless it'd be funny."
Don't do it because we told you to, do it for the bit.
"... and by fun i mean horrible."? 😜
For the memes, ya know
I was born and raised in Germany. Lived in a small village called Huisberden growing up and from my bedroom window I could see the Rhine Bridge in Emmerich. As a kid I was convinced that it would collapse one day so my dad got me binoculars and I would check on it every morning lol. It never did come crashing down (yet) and today, living in New Jersey, I worry about basically everything around me collapsing, all the time. The infrastructure, the foundations of buildings, everything in this country is build to fail and its terrifying.
i accidentally opened another wtyp episode during the end of this news segment and I spent a solid 2 minutes thinking they were incredibly committed to the bit of talking over each other about entirely different topics I simply failed to notice 😭
im listening to this as i drive over the new sunshine skyway bridge, thanks for making my commute more exiting
The thought of Muskrat attempting to fire a nuclear salt engine in-atmo is horrifying because of the lethal consequences and the likelihood that he would do it.
Elon would use Orion engines and say to hell with the pollution and death from it.
@@TemplarOnHigh I'm pretty sure that'd be a step up from a NSWR.
It's like propelling a spacecraft by running two continuous Chernobyl explosions behind it.
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I live right outside of St Pete and I absolutely hate going over this bridge. I know it’s different now and safe, but people are such bad drivers here that I just constantly envision getting hit and going over the barriers
and it’s taller than the old bridge. don’t look down!
@@kensurrency2564 I refuse to go over it in the fog. And when the weather is bad they have to close it because its so fucking high the wind is crazy
Well, to be fair, people are bad drivers everywhere now, since people stopped raising their kids in the 80's and let them run wild. I can't even get out of my driveway half the time without some dildo getting all GTA5 at me, so I can understand getting the boo-boo-jeebies on a 7-mile thing as wide as my yard, in the ocean, with a middle bit so high, your car unofficially qualifies as aircraft.
Look up safety barrier tests for reassurance. Unless you drive a lifted pickup.
Anytime I’m taking a long Amtrak ride I know I can count on a WTYP episode being uploaded. Thanks again! My train is actually on time this time too.
Tren gud car bed
Buß nutrale
Genuinely the uploads keep getting timed perfectly with when I have an 8 hour train ride and it’s amazing.
train on time: enter the 1st horseman of the apocalypse.
lucky you.
As a Wisconsinite, I feel obligated to tell you that they didn't have to dye the margarine back in the day! They specifically WERE NOT allowed to dye it because they'd been making it yellow (to make it look more like butter). It was only available in its natural white color (unless you bought it [from someone who bought it] in Illinois, as is the cultural custom of the Wisconsinite.)
I'm going to venture that this video is going to get an influx of views in light of the Francis Scott Key bridge disaster of March 26 2024. My deepest sympathies for those affected.
I was about to say that watching this after the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse is so eerie. Essentially the same thing has happened. Big boat, apparently lost power and steering, pushed into the bridge pier by currents and killed the bridge.
I saw the news and all I could think was:
Can't wait for the WTYP episode about this.
It's why I'm here. 😐 Next stop, Brick Immortar.
"Budget rocketry" is a genuinely terrifying combination of words.
Thank you Devon for editing this and thank you crew for recording :-)
Thank you, blackmagemasher, for commenting :)
They really are sassy this episode too. Great work Devon!
And thank you Roz's laptop for doing your best
Thanks to the kitties too despite their best efforts to compromise the pod to a temporal end
Immense respect to Alice for sneaking a mountain goats reference past the lads during the Tampa/sports discourse
I caught that too lol
Microbursts are GNARLY and you don't want to be caught outside in one. They have straight line winds that can snap large trees and push down fences, and pelt everything with all the hail, all at once.
I'm staring out the window at the rebuilt Sunshine skyway bridge losing my marbles. Yay Liam
It's surprisingly hard to actually slip on a banana peel. My brother and I were thinking about that concept when we were kids so we ate a bunch of bananas, threw the peels on the kitchen floor, and attempted to slip on them. The banana peels actually had a surprising amount of traction so maybe they have to be well into the process of rotting or something or maybe it's just an urban legend that you can slip on them. We decided the best way to slip on the kitchen floor was either to just wear socks in there or to spray cooking spray on the floor. Otherwise, that floor isn't very slippery.
Thank you for your work.
Your parents must have been very proud of this. I didn't have kids, but *I would have been proud of my kids for this.*
evidently they were put in in the first place as vaudeville shorthand. back in ye olde days, people fell over all the time, in hilarious fashion, by slipping on something, but it wasn't banana peels, it was horse shit. looks just like any other bit of dirt in the city, until your foot lands on it, and you go flying. but you can't go bringing horse shit into the comedy hall. so, uh. banana peels. people in the 1900s were weird.
I've heard that there are other varieties of bananas with much oilier peels that are better for that sort of thing (producing a sort of grease when crushed), but they're not commonly grown/eaten today, and I'm not sure if they were ever as common as portrayed in slapstick comedy.
The insides have to be against the ground. That’s the slippery part
the safety third dude is a modern poet. incredible post
A lot of those Safety Third contributors have a way with words. They do paint a picture. A Hieronymous Bosch picture, but still.
Hey Liam! I’m a mailman too!
Being a CCA sucks, but don’t quit! It gets really easy eventually, and these government benefits are worth it 😃
CCA Liam gonna be getting some V time XD
Isn't mailperson rated one of the best jobs in the (semi) federal workforce? Outside, you get a bit of exercise, nobody hates you?
@@zmanzono nah it is really good, but it’s good AFTER you get converted to regular- in most cities you gotta spend about a year or so as a CCA (city carrier assistant) and that’s the part that sucks.
@@TheGuitarIsLife ahh okay I haven't heard much except from my uncle who's been stuck sorting for idk like 20 years
@@zmanzono i did my CCA period from January 2020 to January 2022. Made it just in time to get hit with COVID volume and workforce reductions. Made 85 thousand dollars my first year on 19.75 an hour. The math is depressing bit its a lot better now lol
Florida always here to remind us what we didn't need reminders of before: tweaking, fascism, and bridge fall down
Second Bridge Fall Down in Florida covered by this podcast
@@JoJoModding The first one was OK, but tbis is a bridge too far.
As Laura Jane Grace so prophesied in 2003:
"Sink Florida Sink"
@@JoJoModding mr president a second florida bridge fall down has hit the podcast
When hasn't the US been thinking about fascism, letting infrastructure rot and flooding places with drugs? Those are some of the US' favourite things to do!
Man that first slide (pre-news) is genuinely quite the picture, like it’s hauntingly beautiful, looks like a still from a movie.
Its defo one of those pictures that sticks with you, theres a similar one for the Ponte Morandi bridge, but the fact that the lil section is sloped down just adds another level of horror to it, like the car could just roll off. Not helping is that bridge is pretty tall too
When your car needs a li'l sip
A WTYP episode the run time of the average 90’s RomCom? Devon’s Union must have stepped in.
Skipping the flame diverter contravenes one of the primary guidelines of modern rocketry: "Don't be less safe than the Russians."
Watching this on this particular day for no reason whatsoever
Returning to this one today after reading the news about the Baltimore Bridge (03.26.24). I coulda sworn we fixed this whole Boat+Bridge=Oopsie thing!
Same. I crossed FSK Bridge dozens of times and each time I was terrified. It felt like I was suspended hundreds of feet in the air by nothing while going 75 miles per hour, the roadway version of a zipline at Action Park. Watching it go down knowing exactly what it feels like at the top of it has shaken me up. I have never been more personally affected by a news story since the Charlottesville Invasion, like I am on the verge of a PTSD episode thinking about how it would have felt driving that bridge while it collapsed.
in the video you see the ship lose power suddenly, and by sheer inertia it just rams into the bridge, physics is a bitch
Im never surprised with our country's inability to prevent things from falling after getting whacked real hard by other things. Like it shouldn't really happen more than once, right?
@@Alex-RealApplebeesthere are plenty of cases where that is a fair complaint to have, but I don't think it is fair in this particular case, the bridge was built in 1977, cargo ships back then weren't even close to be as massive as they are today, and there are safeguards behind the bridge, is just that the incident probably happened in the one in a million spot where losing power would just leave inertia to do its thing
@@murciadoxial8056I agree, but mainly Id say that we would've learned to put barriers before the piers after the first time. I guess that could just be a bias of mine having spent so much time along the Mississippi, where its seemingly more common for that sort of infrastructure.
6:00 as a big fan of the starship project (the engineering and the people who designed it, not elon) but two other thing to mention is that the flight termination system (the self destruct system) took around 50 seconds to actually destroy the rocket after it was fired (the FAA does not like this, neither do I), I believe the reason for this was that all it really did was poke a hole in the fuel tank and hope that was enough (other rockets have a big bomb between the fuel and oxidizer tanks, I dont know why they didnt do this, its not hard). The other thing was that not only did they not have a flame diverter (like every other launch site), they also didnt have a water deluge system, which is basically this mega sprinkler that cools the exhaust (to protect the flame diverter) and dampens the sound of the rocket since rockets are so loud they can damage themselves from the reflected engine noise.
as a small sidenote: the exhaust velocity of the Raptor 2 engines (the 33 engines that starship/superheavy uses) is around 3400m/s, or mach 9.9 which should tell you everything you need to know about how destructive rocket exhaust can be
That thumbnail encompasses the totality of my nightmares! Good job folks!
It's been a reoccurring one of mine for decades.
Wait till you hear about the guy in the pickup who woke up underwater!
I hate cars too bro
@@dftp haha Trains good cars bad, think I have a shirt that says that.
oh fuck, same
so many drives off unfinished bridges over open ocean
Justin deserves a 64 core / 128 thread Threadripper. We all deserve a 64 core / 128 thread Threadripper.
Don't forget the 2 TB of EEC ram and the dual 4090s.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat pff dual 4090... Dual Quadro a6000. Liam knows what he's about.
Every man a quantum supercomputer
My man needs a hackintosh
@@mmmhorsesteaks Server-grade hardware or go home.
Someone really needs a compliation of all the times Justin reads a specific date from an episode
I'll add it to the list! 😁🍍
@@PFMediaServices you are truly a person worthy of high praise!
@@ericfischer8295 Aw, thanks. I'm doing the captions, so there's a loooong list of things I make note of during the process. :D
Fun fact for you, Liam, not sure if you were aware; but being a mailman allows you to apply for a Class III weapons dealer permit, allowing you to purchase fully automatic firearms. Do with that information what you will.
As always, love the podcast, keep it up all!
😮 Do not f•ck with the mail carriers.
Someone should start The Order of the Knights of the Post Office Militant and go jousting* against Amazon delivery trucks.
* perforate with prejudice
Devon is now the Union of the podcast, and the three Problemteers are the big bad boss
For two episodes in a row, I’ve been actively looking for a podcast episode to listen to, when I got the notification that a new WTYP dropped. Thank you for your excellent timing
Two Problem-atic episodes within a week? May the Gods praise Roz, Alice, and Justin!
If the fanbase of WTYP doesn't already have a name, we should be called the Problem-atics
@@taterthepenguin I think we're referred to as 'Assholes'.
Don't forget Devon
Problematic is a normal word already
Wait, you listed the same guy twice. Where's Liam? (yay Liam!)
The margarine law was that they WEREN'T allowed to dye it. This made margarine look pale and lardy, as opposed to golden and buttery. They used to sell powdered dye you stirred into your margarine to make it more appetizing.
That powder didn't happen to have a healthy nuclear glow? Or was poisenous?
@@steemlenn8797 I don't know what the dye was back in the day. Today beta carotene is used to color most margarine, and that would have been available from the initial availability of margarine on.
@@raycearcher5794 That's too boring!
@@steemlenn8797 Well Cadmium did used to be a legal food additive (it still is, but in a regulated state) and Cadmium is both poisonous and (sometimes) radioactive, so I guess anything is possible!
I had the worst droving experience of my life on the new sunshine skyway bridge: driving across it at 3 am driving back home from ft Lauderdale and my tire pops at the apex of the bridge right next to those yellow support pylons. Have to stop on the (not kidding) 5 ft wode shoulder. Cars flying past me at 60 mph blaring their horns at me, its windy as hell and dark, its raining, and I have to lean against the like 3 ft tall side wall of the bridge to fix my tire while looking hundreds of feet down to what was likely my certain doom on a bridge already known for suicides. Cop comes by to "check" on me (make sure i wont jump) and just leaves doing nothing. Like 3 times i was almost blown off the side. Good times
Here from the future where I've seen on twitter that Roz and Liam have already bought the PC they're talking about at the beginning of this episode
And that it was already causing disaster from first power-on, solved by a fan. Hooray Twitter!
as far as I know, the big bridge always being painted urban legend is one of those things that used to be true, but is not anymore. Originally these large bridges needed to painted continually, but with the invention of better paints, the paint would be more durable and the bridges needed to be painted less often, so starting at the beginning as soon as you were done at the end was no longer needed.
The version I've heard - which is currently on Wikipedia, for what that's worth - is that they would regularly be painting the bridge, but not from end to end - just touching up the paint where it got weathered as part of regular maintenance.
I loved the description of this as the rocket experienced a "rapid unscheduled disassembly"
That and 'Lithobraking' for 'crashed into the planet'
Felt like listening to this one again. No particular reason.
1:30:07 Francis Scott Key Bridge opened 1977, three years too early. Then again, that means they had 46 years to add dolphins.
OMG Liam!!! Hubby is a carrier. Hollar for tips. He found online groups essential to his success as mail carrier!!! Congrats man!!!!
I need MORE DEVON COMMENTARY. Dev is now our silent Statler and Waldorf.
8:07 Intrestingly Cape Kanaveral isnt a counter example of digging below the water table. It was considered enough of a hasel that instead they built up their launch platforms on huge earthwork mounds so the bottom of the trench would be at normal ground level.
The Safety Third segment reminded me that my friend recently got her helicopter safety training, and told me that what really shocked her is that A. they emphasize just how many people get killed by the rotors and B. how much of the helicopter is unsafe to use as a handle because they're often designed to just pop off
I will never get tired of "Yay Liam!" ❤
Ms. Greece was probably from Tarpon Springs, which is a large Greek community north of St Pete; my recollection is they used to do pageants and whatnot.
I'm amused that in Liam's rant about creating a Tampa/Philadelphia rivalry, he didn't mention that the Rays and Phillies literally played a World Series against each other. Granted, the Rays are over in St. Pete, and this was in 2008, 15 years ago.
...Oh god 2008 was 15 years ago, I'm getting old.
Rivalry implies repetitive competitive matches and we smoked them in that WS.
@@Skeptidelphian As someone who grew up in St. Pete, I hate to admit it, but yeah.
Today I found out succulent Chinese meal guy is known outside of Australia and I for one am glad we have such an icon representing us.
Quick note about the Forth Rail Bridge at 35:24 - The "urban legend" about the idea that the Forth Bridge is always being painted WAS true Until 2011; There was almost always a maintainance team who did start at one at end of the bridge, and paint until they got to the other end - This is mostly true, in that the repaint program did function in this way, but maintainance teams repainted critical areas as and when required. This, however, all stopped in 2011 as for the first time, the maintainance team switch to using an glass flake epoxy coating, which will last at least 25 years. There is still a Maintainance team that care for the bridge and who work closely with Network Rail Scotland for Railway maintainance. The maintainance team can now switch fofcus to other important things; In the next year, a new visitor center will open and you will be able to go to the top of the bridge for paid excursions. If Rosz and Liam do visit Alice here in Scotland, I will endevour my utmost to get Rosz to the top, with Liam's help, of course.
Congrats to Liam on joining the ranks of the noble mail carrier
Pizza, and Milkshake are the true hosts of the podcast.
If I ever submitted a Safety Third I would only address it to Devin.
Ever since I've heard someone describe Santos as the "Roger" (from the show 'American Dad') of the US Congress, I've never been able to get the association out of my head. XD
One of my pet rats is being put down on Saturday, so I needed this. Thanks folks.
Awwww. 😢
I'm sorry to hear that, putting down a pet sucks, hope your doing ok
Hope you and your other rats handle it well, you might find your other rats will get depressed since they are very social creatures
Condolences to you and the other chaos potatoes. Aguante.
25:00 As someone raised in Tampa from '94 to 2013, let me tell you something you are totally right about that place. It's like a slightly run down hotel room, it's not terrible but it's got nothing and it subtly reminds you at all times how it wouldn't take much to be so much better. Supposedly Tampa's claim to fame is (was?) the fact that Dale Mabry had the most strip clubs per mile in the US.
Considering one of the landmarks represented on the tampa level of Tony hawks underground 2 was the 2001 Odyssey Nude strip club on that road, that last fact wouldn't surprise me lol
Good ole Dale Mabry!
I listen and watch a couple of other disaster and safety focussed channels. Its always fun seeing what details yall focus on that they misss and vice versa. The jokes also help relieve the grimmness.
Liam has become a fed that knocks on people´s doors and drives a windowless van
Critical support for the full WTYP team,
no podcaster is an island,
it is the delicate balance of forces that makes the pod such a joy,
rather similar to a cantilever bridge.
Yoo! Liam as a mailman I hope you have a good office. Don't let your supervisors get ya down. I love listening/ watch you guys while I work.
I don't remember where I heard it, but I believe I recall that the position of the old bridge was at a spot where shipping needed to be turning while going under it, making entering the bay more difficult, especially in a storm.
Coming here to learn more about what happened in Baltimore just now
They mentioned us!
Come back to PEI!
The Confed bridge is ugly but it changed our commercial landscape. A lot of products we didn't have before. Day trips off island are possible.
It should be free though. They said it would be for Islanders by now. Still gotta pay to leave our province
Don't feel bad, I live in NW Indiana and They said the Indiana Toll Road would be free when it was paid for, and it's still a toll road.
Ya & it was opened in 1956.
Nineteen Goddam Fifty Fucking Six.
Not only that, but about 20 years ago, the State of Indiana sold it to some foreign idiots who managed to go bankrupt while basically owning a money printer, and now an Australian company owns it. Which means that, since Australia has been infected with globalism and is now dead to the living, the road has signs that display globalist babysitting, like "don't drink and drive", "use your seatbelt", and other things your cat knows, for fuxake. On rare occasions, they display actual information, like "construction ahead". So now, since they bought the road, it has to be paid for again. They'll probably pull the same shit with your bridge, just like here with the Chicago Skyway and all the toll roads in Illinois.
@24:17 Liam, never weaponize your incompetence against your delightful bride to be’s goodwill, but I do support your boomer ass mentality of the wife being the boss 😂 @28:15 STORYTIME my entire geology field trip class almost got arrested in Florida one time for “trespassing” at a phosphate mine. The professor took us to the tailings pile to see all the cool fossil bits leftover after getting the phosphate out of the limestone and security rolled up on us. After talking us the down, the prof got us all smoothies at the fruit stand as a treat 😂
Train: Good
Car: Bad
Horse: Chaotic Neutral
Helicopter: Chaotic Evil
What does that make deer?
Car in the first slide looks like that Sam Raimi sedan he puts in his movies. Like the image is a still from "Ash Vs. The Evil Bridge."
@1:04:40 "And that's a swing and a miss for Liam's attempt at a Pirates of Penzance reference! Let's see how he fares in the final innings with actionable threats and the fan favorite 'shut up' catchphrase!"
If the business end of the podcast ever gets even slightly in order wtyp will become dangerously impactful on society.
This video is gonna have the funniest view count diagram.
Cantilevered
You guys, stop it. I haven’t even finished the last episode yet. Don’t spoil me so much.
Edit. Liam is becoming a mailman is one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. I was one to 12 years ago but here in the Netherlands though, so no cool post truck for me, we got some neat bike bags though
41:41 Ah, good old Fallout New Vegas . "They asked if I had a degree in theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said 'Welcome aboard'."
Excited for the first episode that we got to hear Liam do a castle doctrine on, hoping for more in the future
As an Aussie "Postie" myself let me offer my most sincere "yay Liam" for joining us.
The blank slide should have been a mailman hip-firing a machine gun, in honor of Liam's new job
35:23 Points to Devon for writing "Forth of Firth". It had to show up at least once.
Not just once. That was the forth time.
tee hee
Alice is finally given a more rigid bridge
Ah yes, the traditional lessons: 1) Florida Bad and 2) Helicopters Bad. The two universal truths.
further proof October has a Lathe of Heaven in her basement
Just the image of Liam going to the NSA and being like "Yep, shit is mine." So good.
I’m in st Pete, it’s different having one of these be about something so close to home
Imagine trying to explain to somebody that whenever a bridge collapses, there is a group of people in the world that are secretly very happy
I wouldn't say happy, exactly.
More, grimly amused.
we all know about the mothmen
@@emirateaudiodump6836 Grrr...those moth-erfuckers.
As a former Tampa resident, Liam hating on us for 10 minutes and Alice knowing a weird amount about us is all I could ask for. Also, Ybor city is cool and the castle is the best goth club in the world. But other than that you’re basically right.
YESSSS! As a current Tampa resident, the castle is the BEST!
this is like one of the classic episodes with all its problems, love it
I can actually give a possible reason for ms Greece being at the opening, just north of St. Petersburg, at the end of that massive span of development you can see in the satellite photos, is a town called tarpon springs. This town has the highest population Greek community in the entire United States by percentage of the population, with today 25 percent of the population being of Greek heritage!
Ah yes, the yearly Greek wet cross scrum. Good times.
You forgot the goofiest detail of Elon's rocket launch: he decided to launch it earlier than scheduled so it could coincide with the epic reddit bacon meme date of 20th April, aka 420.
Finally, the libertarian le epic reddit answer to finishing the rocket off early as a gift to socialism (and then having it explode). But extra points for failing not in an untested, unestablished field of engineering, but in something that NASA had already figured out in the 70ties, and that Musk apparently needs to rediscover to the tune of billions in gov'ment funding from DARPA.
No wonder it went to pot. Elon should've collaborated with Jeff Bezos. You know, make it a joint effort. That would've solved many chronic problems.
“Yeah, they’re not retrofitting old bridges” …
I blame Mothman.
Or Florida Man.
Or Old Man Anderson.
Florida Mothman
Surely, Franklin will return when City Skylines 2 comes out. Surely.
I must have read too much Cities Skylines patch notes/sequel info yesterday because there was a moment in my dreams last night that “Franklin 14” was about to be released. I don’t even know if that’s the right number but I would be here for it
I've been over the new Sunshine Skyway Bridge more times than I can count. There are cruise ships that go under it (just not the newer, larger ones) and yes, it is a bit anxiety-inducing. Although if your me and my friends being dumb teenagers at 2am, the fun thing to do is shift your car into neutral at the top and coast down to the bottom.
That sounds very Floridian of you. The local gators must be proud
watching this again after baltimore bridge collapse
Positive things to say about Florida: the Gulf Coast, where not completely commercialized, is absolutely beautiful and absolutely ranks among the best beaches in the world. Also the Econfina River is nice. The Everglades are real cool.
That's it. That's all the good stuff in Florida.
I used to drive over the replacement to this bridge on my commute! It was a fun bridge to drive over in my opinion, but also at the same time it was incredibly terrifying and exhausting, because I was suicidal at the time. Turns out if you are suicidal while driving on that particular bridge, the length and speed and narrowness and height and curves make it IMPOSSIBLE to not be constantly aware of how easy it would be to go through a barrier and die on contact with the ocean by not steering in the correct direction for a quarter of a second.
Listening to this episode now, years later, makes me remember that bridge fondly and also really appreciate not being suicidal anymore.
Ah yes the Commodore Barry Bridge, now there's a bridge that's technically always being painted, in that, they'll start to paint a bit of it, but in the process notice a giant hole in the road bed and instead go get the paving equipment and abandon the painting.