"Then the lights begin to flicker and the sound is getting dim. The voice begins to falter and the crowds are getting thin. But he never seems to notice, he's just got to find another place to play." Bread 1972
Then he starts to play Suddenly the pain slowly fades away Tattered, torn and frayed There's a place within his heart He'd always saved for song and emotion Know he's got to his dyin' day Song and emotion You can hear him play You can still hear him say Better run for cover 'cause it looks like rain again!
I'm a serious Phil Collins fan, read his autobiography and his health issues are legion. I watched several of those same videos James and even accounting for bad video quality.... you're exactly right...I was both sad and disgusted with the performances. In one vid, Phil even said to the audience "you can sing this better than I can"....truly pitiful. As for Keith, I expect him to play guitar at my funeral in 20 years from now.
It's not pitiful when its all you have that brings you joy, put yourself in his shoes....it's all he's ever known, performing...now someone tells you can't do it anymore...everybody ages differently, life is different for all. Many musicians have performed until shortly before thier deaths...I haven't seen some of his latest performances, so maybe I'm not being objective 🤷♂️
If they still sound, and look good, I'm all for keeping going if they want to. If it's because they have been unlucky with deals or bad management then it's a bit sad but it's practicalities. If it's purely for ego, or no one has had the heart to be honest with them, then no. If, as is clearly the case with Phil Collins, you're seriously debilitated, then it's just awful to watch, it's a disservice to their own health and certainly their hard fought for legacy. If you have hard core fans, such as myself, wincing at times, please bow out gracefully and retain some dignity. I do not want to witness the last dregs of a great performer.
I'm with you man. I have a friend who keeps inviting me to go with him to our favorite old rockers concerts, and my answer is always no. I want to remember my favorite music stars as they were in their prime, KILLING IT. I just can't handle watching them need help getting onto the stage, butchering their own great songs and the music being played by people who were never in the band to begin with. I would rather just enjoy the records and watch them in past great performances on UA-cam.
Just saw Billy Idol several weeks ago, he is almost 66 years old and he was fantastic. He brought incredible energy, running around everywhere, singing great. A real winner of a rock show, ... which I wasn't expecting at all. Probably the best thing about the show (and Steve Stevens was just as great) was you could tell how appreciative Billy Idol was to be in front of 4000+ fans. It was like he was completely self-aware that here he is forty years later and he can still run around the stage and belt out tunes and completely rock and entertain his fans; moreover, you could tell how grateful he was that his fans allow him to live his dream. I love Billy Effing Idol!!
Interesting, I didn’t know he was still touring and still able to make his lips move after all that plastic surgery. lol. Just kidding. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s great, saw him back in the early 80s on the Rebel Yell tour.
Saw Jon Anderson a month or so ago. HIs memory is failing and he played with the School of Rock kids. They were great! Jon sang wonderfully! The place went berserk. But I know his days are numbered sadly. Worth every penny. God bless them all....
@@andrewbigelow1415 Saw him in the acoustic tent at Glastonbury back in 1992. Wonderful sounds; I watched his fingers constantly wondering how he could make such a fabulous noise and make it look so easy. He was actually tuning up and hadn't started the concert. :-D
I have immense respect for Robert Plant. I hate it when interviewers STILL ask about a Led Zeppelin reunion. I'm sure in 2007 they could have done a short tour and made a ton of money, but it just wouldn't have been the same. The one classic rock guy I'll still see every time I can is Robin Trower; he's lost a few steps but his phrasing and tone are still great. I think guitarists and bassists have it a lot easier than drummers and singers.
Robin Trower is great live. I saw him in 1978 and then I didn't see him again until 2019, 41 years later and he was exceptional both times. Nobody has a better guitar face than Robin Trower!
If making music keeps a person happy, let them be happy. We know our heroes are old now, and the glory days are far behind. We wont expect them to be their best. But we can let them be happy.
Saw the Stones for the first time in summer of 2019. Glad I saw them before those guys hang it up… as for when it’s time to stop, whenever they can’t do it anymore. Rock stars lasted a lot longer than people expected in, say, 1965. God bless ‘em.
I’m 56 and was thrilled to hear Rik Emmett still singing clearly and hitting the high notes in his acoustic tours of small clubs just a few years ago. He has some great YT stuff if you want to reminisce.
You have to remember, it’s all they’ve ever done. It’s who they are. To quit would be like losing part of your soul. They may end up playing to empty venues, and play anyhow. You know?
For me it's a problem when old rockers sing songs written for young rockers. Someone like James Taylor sings songs suitable for his age and still sounds wonderful.
I saw the Rolling Stones at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena in 2019 and they were awesome! I literally thought I would see one of them die on stage, but they rocked!
I think Clapton is semi retired now. He does one off shows but won't tour again. I have seen him twice. First time I saw him on the Pilgrim Tour and he was GERAT. I saw him later and it was like he fell off a cliff. He seemed so much older and more worn down. The set was less lively and he seemed to be going through motions more than having fun. But I might have caught him on an off night. His upcoming show in Dubai might be a good one.
I saw The Rolling Stones this past Saturday in Nashville and yes even though Charlie (RIP) and Bill aren’t there, it was an incredible show. They all can still play very well. Mick was on point with his vocals and the other newer members fit right in. It was truly great.
@@teleguy5699 The argument isn't that everybody should hang it up at a certain age. The argument is if you can't deliver a competent performance and you're fleecing your fans, you should think about whether it's time to quit.
@@jamesjames9275 Nobody is forcing people to pay for tickets. I think most people know the deal when they go to see bands or performers they know aren't at the top of their game. It's up to them and the musicians to determine the market.
I was at the Nashville show and I agree, Great energy, especially for their age! Keith and Ronnie can still play all the parts. Neither was ever a virtuoso, its more about the attitude and energy they play with, even when they are almost 80! I hope I can still play at all when I get to that stage of life.
@@jamesjames9275 I agree with you, but with that said I would pay full price just to stand in a room with these guys for 5 minutes. They are part of my life, almost like family, in fact sometimes more like family than some of my real family.
I'm going to be 70 min a few months, and really, my guitar playing has actually improved lately. I learned to Travis -pick (3 fingers) during the lockdown, something I never thought I'd master. As for the aging rockers: I'd be perfectly happy to see my heroes sitting around their living rooms or garages doing low-key jams on UA-cam, rather than doing arena tours. I'll bet a jam session with Paige, Plant and Alison Krauss would be a lot of fun. (I have no idea if Paige and Plant are still pals though). People need to adjust as they age. The best example is probably John Fogerty's jams with his kids during the 1st Covid wave; they were so much fun! Their version of "Tombstone Shadow" was arguably better than the original!
Classic rock will never die! It’s in a lot of movies we all like, it’s not going anywhere. In all honesty songs like gimme shelter, Born on the Bayou… Songs like that never age! Long live rock ‘n’ roll🎸
He's not really considered classic rock, but Nick Lowe, IMHO, has figured out better than most others how to age gracefully as a rocker. Years ago he started toning down his style, opting to play more acoustically and adopting a soft croon in his singing. He also started playing up his old man appearance, going for full grey hair, thick spectacles, and a wardrobe that suggests an English country gentleman, rather than a pioneer of punk and bash-it-out rock and roll. Nick has found a way to stay active and even grow his fan base while continuing to produce excellent new material.
Totally agree with you! He wised up with a plan and has done beautifully and his writing has matured in an awesome way! I saw him up close when he went out solo, loved it.
I never comment on UA-cam videos, this one makes me sad. I saw the Stones in Seattle 2019 it was without a doubt the greatest night of my life. To see this generation of legends fade away is so sad, time waits for no one.
I totally agree with everything you said. I saw Johnny Winter years ago and he needed help getting on stage. It was sad what he kept playing the same thing over and over. Can't wait to see the stones November 23rd. They can still get it done and God bless them. I first saw them in 1966 it all I heard was a girl in back of me screaming Mick. The last few years I have been filling my bucket list with Bad Company, mark f of Grand Funk, John f of CCR. I am 70 and with your help I am playing the best guitar of my life. Thank you
This is one of the reasons I have such great respect for Robert Plant. He realized early on that doing the same thing over and over again until you die is like living in a self-built prison. He also realizes Led Zeppelin songs are about youth and sex (and Hobbits) and he can't portray that character anymore. Imagine him singing something like Sick Again "One day soon you're gonna reach sixteen...: How gross would he feel at his age? I personally feel bands should stop performing when they stop producing and representing what they set out to be.
A word that stands out in JJ's talk, for me, is "dignity." But, so heart-wrenching for each of us to find that dignity has slipped away, then clamp down a lid on what had been the most important activities of our lives.
As someone who has hit his late 60s, I'm seeing more and more of my heroes stepping down or worse, dying, Some still having a show or two in their pocket. Some not stepping down soon enough. This year, Arlo Guthrie, John Mayall, and others have announced they're done touring. The Hair Bands, I don't care if they can still play, the persona that they made doesn't fly when you're in your 60s (or 50s) The Stones are doing it but I hope this is their last. After the Kinks went off the road, Ray's Storyteller tour was fantastic. (The To the Bone album was a fantastic way to go out) But, here I am, 68,working on another CD (for the money as the streaming revenue of the last one is all of $28 :-) ) because I'm writing some of the best songs I've written. BUT, and this could shut me down, I'm starting to have issues with my sinuses/voice. My gigs are going well now but there will be a time when things aren't meeting my standards and then I'll be done. I really wonder if bad money management might be why some musician keep pulling out new tours. The road is a crappy place to be when you're 60. Time to quit? When you have nothing left to offer... and that is a different point for everyone. I'm going through the same thing with my motorcycles. When I feel I'm not "all in" on the bike, it'll be time to become another grey hair behind the wheel of a convertible. Hey, glad you're healing well and hope you're playing again soon. Thanks for the videos.
@@fletcherchristian2254 thanks. My comment wasn't for self promotion but I'm glad you subscribed. As far as I'm concerned, JamesJames is the best thing on You Tube. (well, maybe next to Nick Zentner's geology channel)
After the Kinks ended, I was lucky to see Ray three times in concert. The 1997 20th Century Man/Storyteller Tour, the 2006 Other People's Lives tour and the Kinks Choral Tour in 2010. He shone in all three shows and sang in his original keys without straining. Sadly, Ray's health isn't the greatest anymore (heart and respiratory issues) so I don't think he will be touring anymore. However, I am thankful for the great musical gifts he has left us.
You're absolutely right! It's sad more than anything else. We don't want to go to shows to be sad. Jeff Lynne's ELO at Hyde Park in 2014 (on UA-cam) was absolutely amazing, but that was 7 years ago and he might not be able to pull it off again. Jeff Lynne admitted that he was a bit nervous about being able to do it again after so much time, but he nailed it. It really is up to the performer to know when to call it. Some performers, depending on how good they take care of themselves and even the genre, can have a long career. Some types of singing are less taxing on the voice. Some performers are smart enough to change their style to compensate for their age.
I saw ELO in Philly in August 2018. I had seen them live in '79. The orchestra and other support musicians for the band brought a clean, clear sound to every song that '70s ELO could never have dreamed of capturing. They brought the whole package live without digital wizardry making things "seem" real. Of course the pedals may have been updated (or not) but tube amps and pure talent brought a great show! 👌
WNYer here love the genesee cream ale plug. Best bad beer ever. 54 years old and have never been more motivated to play and learn. Wish I had this motivation in my 20’s. Trying to start a band and get serious before I get too old to play out
Happy to hear you are mending James. You are a youtube treasure...and I hope you don't retire any time soon. I have to agree with you wholeheartedly about rock stars having enough objectivity to just stop when they can't perform any longer. Heck, I used to go to a lot of Grateful Dead concerts and in the mid 80s I stopped going because they flat out couldn't sing even decently any longer (in my opinion) and they were still in their 40s. I feel the same way about Bob Dylan.... He once could actually sing but that was so long ago that most folks who will read this hadn't even been born yet. He'd be better off just reading the lyrics of his songs (he did win a Pulitzer after all). Sadly, there are a lot of examples of once great singers who simply can't do it now, including rock royalty like Brian Wilson, Paul McCartney, Steve Perry, and Elton John. You're right...it's OK guys, you've given the world an incredible amount of joy in the past 5-6 decades...you can just hang out with the grandkids now. Some exceptions....Justin Hayward (he really knows how to take care of his voice), Eric Clapton (can still sing...he must have some kind of magic elixir handy), Roger Waters (a good example...I saw him a few years ago and he was amazing...just as good as he was in the 1970s), Roger Daltry, (as you stated, can bring it if he is not overworked, which is incredible because he used to scream at the top of lungs for decades), and Jackson Browne. Again, great to hear you are on the road to recovery, James. Thanks for all of the great videos, man. Cheers.
Interesting thoughts James. I actually reckon the Stones have sounded way better than they did in '89 since about the Forty Licks Tour. I saw them in 2006 and 2014 and they were on fire, with the exception of Keith's lead playing because of his arthritic fingers. Definitely on this 2021 tour, from what I've seen, it sounds like it's beginning to fall apart. I think Bowie did it best - he went out with one of the best albums of his career. I'd love to see the Stones do that. They've been putting together an album apparently. If it's good, I say put it out as a last hoorah. Blue and Lonesome was fantastic too.
I think a lot of what is going on with them has to do with getting their hearts ripped out and going to work the next day without having time to absorb.
No. Go see them, then talk. I was there recently and I have seen them 7 times and this was one of their best shows ever. Excuse me. I agree with you on Phil Collins though.
Nobody seems to want to admit that Paul McCartney has lost his voice. Yes it is sad but he needs to retire and play with his great grandkids and stop singing. He is painful to listen to now.
In person it’s great. But listening back to my recordings I didn’t feel showing it to anyone would be helpful to describe the experience. Im personally glad he toured the past year. But just for the selfish and probably silly reasons for hearing and seeing Paul himself so his and The Beatles music.
After watchin genesis's 2021 vids...I realized I would rather watch phil collins sing in a chair and bond with his son playing drums playing incredible music rather than watching younger crazy twurker dances with cuss words and nothing of value to say..I particularly love the fact he wanted to continue to make a memory for his future fans and kids and grandkids....its not sad...He has family connection..that he made memories...He will live forever in the hearts of those people who love him....I think that people thinking Phil being a sad crippled man..might be true...He can sing!! Close your eyes and listen and he still is wonderful to me..He sang in key making memories with his son! I think he should keep doing it with his family for as long as he can....Glen Campbell in his last days..And it gave them something to truly to live for...I hope we all have something to live for in the end..
I don't WANT to see my favorite classic bands as old geezers on a stage. I am content to stay home and watch old concert videos of them in their prime.
I agree with you. Had a sad experience watching Johnny Winter led out to a chair and being clearly a shadow of himself. I know he needed to make a living. God bless him. On the other end, a couple years ago i got free tickets to see Paul MCCartney....i didnt want to go becsuse i didnt like seeing my heroes in decline. But, man oh man....what a great performance! One of the best shows I've seen!
Well Vida, thanks for the advice? Love these public posts! All i can say is, I'm guessing four years ago, he sounded great. Not like his youth, thats gone, but he was a joy to listen to. Dave Grohl and some other FF's and Nirvana bassist joined him. A great show.
When Paul came to St. Louis in 17 ? he stayed on the stage for the entire 3 hours, voice declined ? yes but still one of the greatest concerts I ever attended. Saw him with Linda in the 90s and that concert didn't compare.
At least with The Stones, Jagger is more than self-aware enough to know it's time. Keith can always settle back into playing slow blues with whoever's in the room. If Steven Tyler were Jagger...he'd STILL be wearing that jumpsuit from '69 telling the audience "“I think I busted a button on my trousers. Hope they don’t fall down. You don’t want my trousers to fall down, now, do you?"
I completely agree with you. Phil Collins used to be amazing , but , USED TO BE! My favorite Genesis stuff is Phil on drums and Peter Gabriel doing the singing. All our rock heroes are going quick. When Jimmy Page leaves us it will probably kill me too.
Good to see you out of the sling man. Hope you’re back to your usual self soon. Here’s the thing brother. And you touched on it here. A lot of us wanna see and be a part of history. I’m a really big Stones fan. And Iv become even more of a fan mostly because of this channel and when I picked up a guitar because I heard beggars banquet, let it bleed, sticky fingers and exile on Main Street. I was born in 1991 dude. But those albums mean so much to me. You said you saw the stones in 89 and they were past it then. But I wasn’t even alive ! So this is all we have brother. And like you said bro. The stones still can play and put on a respectable show. Iv introduced my girl to those albums and she really likes them now and would have never given the band a second look past like satisfaction and under my thumb. We drove down to Saint Louis from Chicago and the last hour in the car ride I put on the ‘Stones in Exile’ documentary on UA-cam. About how they recorded exile in the south of France what was going on at the time who was visiting the house and just how chaotic that time was. So it got us psyched for the show. And when my girl and I were in the crowd and Mick introduced Keith and he played happy it was really special moment. And Imo, I think he sang it well. I was not at the 2008 show at the beacon theatre. But Keith and Ronnies you got the silver is probably my favorite version. You can watch that on YT. But you’re right in the sense that. A lot of it is being a part of history and seeing the best band that there ever was. I literally said to my girl, you’re part of history ! Haha. But we had fun time at the show man. We saw them open with street fighting man i mean how sick is that. It was fun and memorable ! I saw them back here in Chicago in 2019 at soldier field. I stood next to a guy who saw them in 72 75 81. And he said nothing will ever beat 72 but he said that night in 2019 was his second favorite show all time. It was the second night in Chicago Tuesday night I believe. They ventured off the usual set list quite a bit. Monkey man was voted. Play with fire, they came out to the middle of the run way to play that. Lol we took and edible and enjoyed a really special band. I think the stones are really special and they brought a lot of amazing music to the world. What else would me and that guy who was way older than me have in common and could talk for hours about ya know. Stones bro. They are the best band that ever lived. Haha imo. Good topic for discussion thats just me. I get the genesis thing. But for somebody could mean more to them if they’re a big fan. Hey man and Iv said this before in the comments. You gotta come to the south side of Chicago and see ‘Rocks Off’ they replicate the mick Taylor years better than anybody Iv ever seen. Really a fun show. You can look em up at Rocks off tribute online and check out their calendar. I know you like that era as most do. These guys can really rip. Been busy lately but glad im getting back into playing my guitar. Your channel always gets me psyched. Thanks JJ
Dude you are a baby compared to me. I'm 69! But your enthusiasm and youthful energy is still vary familiar to me. I've been a Stones fan since the beginning - the sixties! My first show was '72 in Fort Worth, Texas. Yes, it rocked and yes, it WAS history. I've seem them several times since. They're music is fantastic but it is also a sort of state of mind and you got it! The concerts were great, the albums were great and the personal events surrounding them were great. For example - Exile came out just days before my high school graduation. Can you imagine the graduation party my rocker buddies and me had? Dude.
James James -interesting perspective, I appreciate your views as well as your instructional videos, including those on your previous channel - hope you keep those up, and keep em coming. Thanks!
The point I agree with most is, it all depends on performance. Musicians-and not only the top of the heap stars-are doing something they were born to do, for the most part. None of us start out with money or fame as the goal. It’s something we found that made us happy to do especially with friends or other like minded people. It’s a spiritual and emotional outlet, too. I am almost 75 and have been playing for audiences since age 13. As you age, the things that really make it difficult are physical challenges. In my case, I’m still active in public and on studio recordings. I can still play well and love to do so. But carrying that shit around and driving for an hour or more at 2:00 AM to get home … That’s what will stop me. It’s not the playing-it’s all the rest of the crap that drives us crazy. And at some point that’s what will keep me home on a Saturday night. For those far more famous than I, the punishment of touring is some- thing that can put a damper on the most ardent of performers. It is a very personal decision on any level. We’ll all be fortunate if we go out on our own terms, that’s one thing I know. As for The Stones, I have seen them over the last two decades and they have played well, perhaps better than anyone could expect. But when they take their bow at the end of the show, it seems sad there are now only three, not four. It is not the same without Charlie and they must feel it every night. Sometimes the audience, or lack of such, makes the decision for you, I think. I saw B.B. King at least once in every decade starting in 1969 and loved him. By the time he reached 80, though, it was plain to see he could not play the way he wanted. We saw it in his face; he began to rely on the same things over and over and obviously was disappointed in his performance. Oddly enough, he could still belt out that great voice. The last time I saw B.B. was in 2009 and I decided that was it for me. i didn’t want to see him like that; I wanted to remember the greatness and humility he brought to the stage all the previous times I’d seen him. I heard people booed him in some venues on his last tours, and that must have really hurt. He had a lot of pride and always gave the audience more than they came for. B.B. died six months short of 90, in 2015. He once said, “I don’t mind if I die on the bus, I just don’t want to die on stage. I’ve already done that.” Amen, Brother “B,” amen.
Prime example: Grace Slick. She retired from the music business in 1989 at the age of 50, after the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour. She didn't want to be the aging rock star. She's 81 now and has never regretted her decision. Another example: Neil Peart. He retired after the R40 tour ended in 2015, acknowledging that it was more and more difficult for him to play at the level and the proficiency he expected of himself. He also wanted a long-awaited home life and to pursue writing. He made his mark and said all he needed to say musically. I think you are right, James. So many of these musicians still want to be relevant. Are they really? Perhaps some, but most...no.
N.B. I'm in my mid-30s. As someone who has loved classic rock since childhood, I look at it just as you described; seeing these guys is a box to be checked. I was never able to see a lot of these bands in their prime. Hell, I wasn't born until many of them were in the twilight of their careers. It was cool to see the Stones on the Forty Licks tour simply because they aren't known for playing Podunk, MT often. I had no real basis for comparison, and it was great. I worked at a hotel for a few years and the highlight of that experience was meeting Plant. I know I'm one of the thousands of hotel workers he's had brief interactions with for ages, but to me it was cooler than seeing him perform, somehow. I don't hate his latter day output, but to me he will always be Zeppelin's front man. Again, probably because I wasn't around when they existed. So, I dunno. I would happily go to any of these aging rockers' shows cuz I don't know any better. Sorry for the novel. Heal up fast, amigo.
You said it, "the world goes on". That's what bothers people. Not just rockers. When people retire that's a hard song to sing. Accepting the fact that the world WILL go on without you. You're left behind sorta speak. Your best years and contributions to this world and this life are OVER. It aint easy. You said of Phil Collins that he doesn't owe you anything. You're right and he knows it. He is doing it for himself. Who wants to be pulled from the game...
Can’t thank u enough for sharing your perspective on this , was actually just having this same conversation last week w/a coworker . I’m 54 and share your belief , they owe us the fans nothing , I’ve lived a life completely fulfilled with incredible music and have been fortunate enough to see 90% of the artists I love . That being said I really wish KISS would call it quits !! Glad to see you’re almost ready to start rockin again
If your old and hurt,what better thing to do than do what you love to do close to your end on this planet,even if your not hurt! Love the Genesee sign behind you!
Mark Knopfler got out at the top of Dire Straits fame and his solo albums don't try to recreate the past. His current live shows really fit where he is in life, letting other musicians shine and are the best live shows that I have ever seen. To keep trying to play the hits you wrote in your 20's when you are pushing 80 doesn't really make sense. I would love to see a more stripped down Blue and Lonesome type Stones live show.
On the other hand it is really great when an older hit maker comes to a small venue, maybe with just an acoustic, and does a one man show talking about his hits and where they came from..l.Have gone twice to see Donovan solo and he was so outstanding with the bare bones of his songs and stories behind some...Cat Stevens (with his new name) also with some great stories behind the songs......I even heard Joe South before he past doing his songs solo on acoustic what a wonderful treat....
I think if you’re a creative person, retirement has a different meaning and impact on your life. A lot of people who are professional artists are doing it out of joy and the maintenance of their mental health, and their soul, really. And the ego involved, and the money…it just seems like as long as they can continue to fill seats and receive adulation and make gobs of money, it would be tough for a lot of people to give that up and face old age and death head on like everybody else. Just a thought.
One of the saddest and most exploitive concert experiences to be had is the (formerly) great Brian Wilson. He is brought out and seated at a piano he never plays, and looks positively catatonic as he mumbles out a few words in the course of an evening. Some nights are “better” than others but his excellent band covers for him every show. Super sad and depressing to watch.
We saw Pet Sounds 50th and he still had good moments which set the crowd off. The last tour he was suffering with a bad back and it's now time to cut out the tours. The band is the best and Al Jardine sounds as good as ever.
I think that after they have devoted so much of themselves and their time and life to creating the music and memories that we have enjoyed and been musically inspired by, we should give them the space and dignity that they need to do whatever makes them happy, even if it's sad or even disturbing to us.
Jazz and blues artists really have it easier as they age. Their art isn't all about youthful rebellion. Rockers have it tougher. Can anyone imagine, for example, the Sex Pistols, on a farewell tour at the age of 70....
R.E.M. didnt want to carry on without Bill Berry, which was commendable. I'm glad that they didn't force it just for the sake of doing it. One of the last great bands that I grew up with and I'm glad I get to remember them at their peak.
Yes, what Joel said. They kept going long after Bill Berry left. Frankly, REM should have stopped much sooner than they actually did. Monster was the last album of theirs that actually had some great tunes on it.
Seeing Genesis go out like this makes me give Robert Plant more credit for not wanting to do a Led Zeppelin reunion tour. He knew when it was time to leave the party!!! Too many of these rock stars go on WAY TOO LONG!!!!
Hi James, I really hope you continue to recover/healing from your shoulder etc as I miss your lessons and playing, you are "one of a Kind" in your approach to playing the guitar. You are still very young at 53 years and plenty of musical time ahead. Your Post is very interesting, I am about to celebrate my 75th Birthday soon and still learning Guitar and songs as a hobby and have about 8 Electric Guitars including Acoustics, Amps and Effects etc, which our grand kids all love a Rocker Grandfather, I just have to have music in my life. During the 60's (one of the Best Music periods out of UK & USA), my opinion, I was a semi-pro drummer in cover bands, so I got to know, learn, play and enjoy a lot of songs and music for that period and beyond. My idols are the Stones, The Beatles, The Searchers, Paul Jones of Manfred Mann, Spencer Davis, Phil, and most of the Pop Bands of UK & USA. I still think that the celebrities of music, will always feel that they need to continue to fulfil their purpose and Stage Life & shows and as long as they can deliver their Hits to an audience during their ageing process, for the fans. The Stones & Paul of The Beatles are still great draw cards for shows. Paul often is a guest at Billy Joel, Bruce Springstein shows and that is really good for just one Hit song or two, but a whole show no longer cuts it. Obviously like Phil, it is not a good image of him sitting in a chair struggling to perform maybe he should do a retiring Album like the Stones. The Stones are still breaking all the rules of ageing but "Time is no longer on their Side!!.!. It is a well know fact that performing at shows brings in the money and faster than royalties and keeps the fans/followers active. Maybe they can re-ignite their past songs and image by sponsoring or mentoring younger bands (like The Young Rolling Stones) playing their Hits in a different arrangement to keep Mick & Keith happy with involvement. So in a Nutshell like they say in the Financial Industry, Get out while the shares/stocks are going higher, rather than going down. Leave their Image on a High!!
its a hard thing to say what your saying James, but i have to say i want to remember the music as it was not what its become. we all get old and as a 60 year old man i no when to quit.
Boy... interesting points. I actually started playing guitar in 2017 at the age of 58. Kids grown, job on cruise control, first time I've had enough time to really get into the playing well. I hope I can still play 20+ years from now, but yeh my dreams of rock stardom are nil. That said, anyone who has seen BOC and watched Buck Dharma totally shred "Last days of May" know's some of these guys can perform at a high level despite being 70+. I guess the bottom line is "it depends". As long as they aren't totally embarrassing themselves, go for it.
Scott, good for you taking up the guitar! I used to play in cover bands but about 7 years ago I had a sudden unilateral hearing loss in my left ear. Totally deaf in that ear and they couldn't tell me if the right ear would follow. I was crushed. My grandson had started talking and I thought I might not hear him speak again. The good news was, after about a year, my hearing started to return. Some frequencies better than others but I could hear out of the ear. However, playing the electric bothered my ear and I became paranoid about loosing my hearing again. So, I picked up my acoustic and started writing songs. A few years later, this old guy ends up in a studio recording. (VERY humbling!) So, here I am at 68 getting ready to do a second CD. I am, by no means, a great guitar player, more a "Strummer" as Robbie Robertson of The Band once said disdainfully. We fight the good fight as we age. Some of us get lucky and have good genes which helps. The underlying thing is, when I play music, if I'm aching from whatever age has dealt me, it slides away. I hope to be able to keep playing for many years and I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your playing as I do mine. Our dreams of Rock stardom may be nil but we can still have fun. Play on old timer. :-)
Scott, great learning guitar at 58. That is when I started as well, just playing in retirement to keep my fingers moving and my mind engaged. It also makes the days go by with a lot of enjoyment!
Saw Tull a few years back (50th Anniversary) and Ian Anderson had young substitute singing many of the more hard core songs. Not sure what I thought of that. On one hand he didn't make a fool of himself, and on the other hand was he making a fool of himself.
We saw the Stones in LA Sunday night, and they were great! So glad they were able to make this encore. The place was electric, Mick, Keith and Ronnie were terrific. We loved seeing them!
When you can't do it or when it's just embarrassing because of the nature of the act. She's not a "rock star" but Madonna reached the point of being the later. No one want to see grandma grinding in a g-string. 80's hair band that STILL dress like it's 1985. The spandex and hair dye aren't needed. I think Grace Slick was pretty smart about stopping. Not many people or fans, myself included, what to see great-grandma singing about acid trips. If you really want to see something embarrassing, take a look a the numerous Vince Neil "singing" Dr Feelgood. He can't remember ANY of the lyrics, he's too old to deliver...and he clearly doesn't give a shit. Once I stopped laughing...I felt bad for anyone who paid to see that. McCartney's latest album III, was VERY telling for me. I liked it...but he can't deliver vocally like he used to. "Lavatory Lil" would have been a great song 10-15 years ago, but at 78 what are your going to do? For me it's sad that Collins can't play drums anymore. I like a few early Collins' era songs...but his drumming was great. This decade is going to suck for us classic rock fans...they're going to be dying off and/or embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Slick was aware of this, and stopped - even after admitting she stayed too long. Your old dog metaphor fits quite well. “My Generation” should NEVER be performed again - by anyone! That era has passed. The drugs, the planes, the hedonism, the bombast. Last one to leave, turn out the lights. When the Red Sox’ David Ortiz stood for the last time at Fenway Park, he didn’t hide his tears. It was good-bye and everybody knew it.
Nobody seems to mind Mick Jagger prancing about like someone a third of his age, but woe betide if a woman does it. >;-< Saw Madonna at London Palladium in 2020. Her voice and energy were great and she looked fantastic. However, as (energetically) fit as she is, her body is beginning to work against her (I nicknamed the tour The Battle Of Wounded Knee) and that's age.
I recently saw Prter Frampton (in his 70's). He looks frail and definitely older, but I was pleasantly surprised that his voice and his playing was still good. His performance was good. But, like you said, most of the others have lost it and should have quit long ago. And it gets worse when these old guys can command such a high ticket price. I still like some of them and have respect for them, but it's such a rip-off. Keep on rockin' man, thx for your videos.
** THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD DO ** What really sucks is that the rock stars that were ‘stars’ for years and years, that made hit songs for decades…they just don’t know anything else. That’s all they ever did was to perform and staying home not touring or playing anywhere had to leave a person n those shoes about as depressed as a human being could get. I would think? I think these guys should, if they’re determined to keep it going, do surprise venues that are small and intimate, which I like better personally. They can offer different versions, acoustic versions that came into style after most of the guys had written their last hit songs. Tom, the singer for Cinderella, had his career ended early and at the height of his career due to a medical issue n his throat which sucks, but he’s come out lately playing his songs with an acoustic set and it’s awesome. He does cruise lines as well, and that would b at least an alternative to being DONE!! IMO
Hey, JJ, thx for bringing this out; I'm 68 and have vivid visual memories of the stones/eagles/reo/skynrd/aerosmith,/elton/joel/u2, etc in their heyday; all the 70's superstars who can still fill up the arena's with several generations of fans. Kudo's to them all for blowing the music industry up with greatness off the charts. There is obviously a huge market for their shows, and it's their prerogative to satisfy their desire to play as well as the fans desire to see them. That being said, I much prefer to hear and see performers in their prime, which was 40 or 50 years ago in most of these cases. There is such a thing as retiring in grace before your skills are obviously eroded. It would behoove certain of these rock n rollers to saddle up and head for the ranch for a well deserved siesta.
I think it has a lot to do with what genre or style of music you chose to play or started with. It's very easy to visualize a Bob Dylan or a Neil Young playing solo in a chair with just an acoustic guitar at the age of 90. Some people would appreciate that. I always enjoyed seeing blues man John Jackson play here in Virginia even though he was too old to really pull it off anymore. Part of it was respect I felt for him and love.
Oh Boy, James James, thank you for this I caught the documentary on the recent Genesis tour (delayed by Covid) on Sky and couldn't bear to watch beyond about 30 minutes. The pictures of Phil Collins sitting on stage were just so sad. He reminded me of the character in the UK sci-fi series Dr Who called Skaro who was the creator of the Daleks. I'm 63 and a Brit and Genesis were part of that essential soundtrack from age 14 to 18. When Gabriel left some fans abandoned them but for me Phil Collins stepped into Gabriel's shoes as a singer perfectly. The voice, the wit, the creativity.. he kept Genesis's raison d'être alive. And what a drummer, up there with Bruford, Bonham, Baker... the band changed but kept abreast of the times and embraced the MTV revolution with skill, wit and pathos. Jesus He Loves Me is one of many great videos they made. So it was just awful watching that documentary. It should never have happened and Phil and the other members of the band should never have let it happen. They are heroes to me and a whole load of my contemporaries, and of several younger generations and that should surely be enough. Have some dignity! There is a place for some of these veterans. I don't object to Joe Bonamassa bringing Eric Clapton on for a song or two. That's respectful.. BB King sitting on stage and introducing (as if they needed it) John Mayer, Derek Trucks to his fans, that's cool... passing the mantel with dignity. And a few master craftsman still have something to teach.. Jeff Beck can still hold his head up high as an innovator. But please, everyone, know when your time is up.
In 2013, my wife, kids, and I saw McCartney. His voice had definitely lost that sweet tone, but he still sang pretty well. The kids loved it. They were already fans, but seeing him live definitely was an event for them. It wasn’t like seeing him in ‘76. But it was still damn good. But I knew that was the last time I’d see him live. I’d rather my last time be still a great performance than even a mediocre one. I last saw The Who in ‘79, and I’m fine with that. Many times since I’ve considered seeing them, but I wasn’t sure I’d see anything close to my last concert.
Poignant topic. Just a comment to let you know I enjoy your videos, we’re the same age, got a friend from school who saw Beatle Paul last month and said he was fantastic, and he’s gonna be EIGHTY. Pretty much agree with all your points.
The saddest part about this era would be that there is nobody waiting in the wings to replace any of these bands .Saw the stones in Buffalo 82, a young George Thorogood opened . I thought I better go see them now might not get many more chances....
I was there. It was pouring down rain when Thorogood was on. Then it cleared up and got windy as hell. They had to cut Lips down off of the scaffolding. Wasn't Journet there also. ? The Stones rocked it too. I like the version of Slave. . It was baddass.
Spot on-some of the crooners and ballad singers can go past 70, but damn many many acts are embarrassing themselves. hard to be the working man when you are selling your music for 400 million to add to what you have......talkin bout you Bruce....
"It's better to burn out, than to fade away." A lawyer is only as good as his/her last case. A pilot is only as good as his/her last flight. A rockstar...? Well, they're immortal. And, they should be remembered that way. Leave us with those memories. YOU - ARE - "A ROCKSTAR".
Been following you since privettricker times, and you have been huge to my guitar playing. I can totally relate what you are saying. I had this moment with BB King years ago in Belgium. It was just sad to see. Embarassing. At least i hugged him after the concert, which was amazing. Secong embarassing moment was to see Axl Rose with Guns'n Roses 10 years ago.. after seeing them in 1992.
If you prop me up If you prop me up I'll never stop If you prop me up If you prop me up I'll never stop I've got liver spots My joints are creaking, my heart just stopped If you prop me up If you prop me up I'll never stop, Never stop, never stop, never stop You make an old man cry...You make an old man cry...You make an old man cry My pants are soiled, I need insulin. If I strut on stage add nitro-glycerine...prop me up If you prop me up plug in my hearing aid...the lyrics I forgot, I forgot, I forgot If I bluff enough You wont notice I can't stay in tune...Stay in tune, Stay in tune, Stay in tune Don't make an old man die... Don't make an old man die... Don't make an old man die My eyes dilate, my lips go green. My hands are wrinkled, I'm an obscene, old, has-been. Prop me up prop me up and I'll give it all I've got. You got to never, never, never stop. You make an old man cry You make an old man cry You make an old man cry Before the show, run to the john at double speed. I also need braces on both my knees... prop me up Love the day when they'll make me stop. That's the day I'll be playing my golden harp Doctor bills, Never stop, never stop. Yo, yo, you take insurance doc? This nearly dead man has succumbed. This nearly dead man has succumbed
I agree with your assessment. Watching these old rockers on one hand I respect their perseverance, but on the other hand it is sad to watch them struggle with the stuff they used to do. Money is one of the motivator as well as ego. When is the cutoff point good question, I'm 65 and I still think I'm the same until I look in the mirror! LOL The fans do need to acknowledge that we collectively force them to continue. I went and see Bob Dylan (lifetime fan) and It was painful to watch to say the least. I guess I can say I seen him in concert. Love your stuff JJ!
Do you think that when the band members die that their music dies with it? I'm 20. My generation still listens to classic rock and because of youtube and social media, it keeps getting more lives. Thank god for that. Do you think in 20 years you can put on Sticky Fingers or Physical Graffiti and still love them the same as you do right now or how you did how many years ago?
Agree with nearly everything you say. I think the purpose of the Genesis tour is literally the chance to SEE them one last time. Especially in the UK, because they did hardly any dates there last time. In my opinion, aging rockers are still touring because a) they still can b) they are very driven people who would find retirement too dull c) the money is huge, even if they don't need it d) Some tour because they need the money (e.g. several Kiss reunions) e) Rockstars are very insecure and need constant adulation (e.g. McCartney) f) We're stuck in a very nostalgic era. g) Some are probably surrounded by sycophants who will also make money if they go on tour h) As with some of their new music, they don't seem to realise that it's not that good. Agree McCartney should stop touring. He really can't sing well enough any more. COVID saved him from headlining Glastonbury last year, when he would probably have made a fool of himself.
I saw B.B. King and Little Richard long after they both should have retired, and it wound up just depressing me. I saw McCartney back in 2017, and the show was good, but it wasn't the McCartney of old. Keith said a long time ago that there is no Stones without Charlie, and I agree. To me, The Who have been cashing in ever since they did their "farewell tour" back in the 1980s. And, I agree that there should be no Led Zeppelin reunion.
It's gonna hurt when Pagey goes on to the gig in the sky. But yea the best bands of that era are over. I haven't been interested in seeing any of those acts live for probably ten years or more. Yea I'd have loved to seen Zep in 07 but not now. I haven't cared about seeing the stones live since basically as long as I've been old enough to see bands live. My favorite show ever was the original Black Sabbath when they reformed in 98 and toured. They still had it, it was my childhood heros who I never thought I'd ever get to see, they broke up the year I was born. I was staying with my sister in Durham NC and she's like what bands would you like to see? Anyone particular? Hey Black Sabbath is coming to ......😵🤘☠️🥳👹🎸 It was a religious experience for me! Thank you Bev!
Im 67 and most of my guitar idols are the same or older. Look at Leslie West with one leg sitting in a chair. You do what you love until you die and that's all there is to it. Your not there yet James so tell me the same when you're my age. Keep Rocking, lol.
"Then the lights begin to flicker and the sound is getting dim. The voice begins to falter and the crowds are getting thin. But he never seems to notice, he's just got to find another place to play." Bread 1972
I agree with you James, it's part of life also knowing when it's fine as it is and be happy and satisfied too .
great song
Great tune.
Then he starts to play
Suddenly the pain slowly fades away
Tattered, torn and frayed
There's a place within his heart
He'd always saved for song and emotion
Know he's got to his dyin' day
Song and emotion
You can hear him play
You can still hear him say
Better run for cover 'cause it looks like rain again!
Perfect response to this video!
I'm a serious Phil Collins fan, read his autobiography and his health issues are legion. I watched several of those same videos James and even accounting for bad video quality.... you're exactly right...I was both sad and disgusted with the performances. In one vid, Phil even said to the audience "you can sing this better than I can"....truly pitiful. As for Keith, I expect him to play guitar at my funeral in 20 years from now.
It's not pitiful when its all you have that brings you joy, put yourself in his shoes....it's all he's ever known, performing...now someone tells you can't do it anymore...everybody ages differently, life is different for all. Many musicians have performed until shortly before thier deaths...I haven't seen some of his latest performances, so maybe I'm not being objective 🤷♂️
If they still sound, and look good, I'm all for keeping going if they want to. If it's because they have been unlucky with deals or bad management then it's a bit sad but it's practicalities. If it's purely for ego, or no one has had the heart to be honest with them, then no. If, as is clearly the case with Phil Collins, you're seriously debilitated, then it's just awful to watch, it's a disservice to their own health and certainly their hard fought for legacy. If you have hard core fans, such as myself, wincing at times, please bow out gracefully and retain some dignity. I do not want to witness the last dregs of a great performer.
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Just knowing that there is men like Charlie too keep his spirit alive
I'm fifty five in 24 Phil set the tone in the 80s MTV was King and the parody with Genesis doing the song ⁹ Land of confusion. Hit pretty hard 💙
I'm with you man. I have a friend who keeps inviting me to go with him to our favorite old rockers concerts, and my answer is always no. I want to remember my favorite music stars as they were in their prime, KILLING IT. I just can't handle watching them need help getting onto the stage, butchering their own great songs and the music being played by people who were never in the band to begin with. I would rather just enjoy the records and watch them in past great performances on UA-cam.
Hey Erik just want to say I love your videos and thanks for all your uploads
Enjoy these guys while they last. Even the sad parts. It’s part of our lives both good and bad
Just saw Billy Idol several weeks ago, he is almost 66 years old and he was fantastic. He brought incredible energy, running around everywhere, singing great. A real winner of a rock show, ... which I wasn't expecting at all. Probably the best thing about the show (and Steve Stevens was just as great) was you could tell how appreciative Billy Idol was to be in front of 4000+ fans. It was like he was completely self-aware that here he is forty years later and he can still run around the stage and belt out tunes and completely rock and entertain his fans; moreover, you could tell how grateful he was that his fans allow him to live his dream. I love Billy Effing Idol!!
if you’ve got it flaunt it
Billy has been signing different keys for a while now. Used to be half step, now it's like 2 steps
So agree. I think he may actually be better now.
Interesting, I didn’t know he was still touring and still able to make his lips move after all that plastic surgery. lol. Just kidding. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s great, saw him back in the early 80s on the Rebel Yell tour.
Saw Jon Anderson a month or so ago. HIs memory is failing and he played with the School of Rock kids. They were great! Jon sang wonderfully! The place went berserk. But I know his days are numbered sadly. Worth every penny. God bless them all....
Saw that show, too! His voice is still great!!
Ageing gracefully with a sound that never has faltered……Sir Richard Thompson.
Agree! I had the joy of seeing him up close in a small venue back in the 80s; phenomenal.
I saw him at a smaller venue about 7 years ago. To be honest, I'd never heard of him. He but on a good show.
@@andrewbigelow1415 Saw him in the acoustic tent at Glastonbury back in 1992. Wonderful sounds; I watched his fingers constantly wondering how he could make such a fabulous noise and make it look so easy.
He was actually tuning up and hadn't started the concert. :-D
I have immense respect for Robert Plant. I hate it when interviewers STILL ask about a Led Zeppelin reunion. I'm sure in 2007 they could have done a short tour and made a ton of money, but it just wouldn't have been the same. The one classic rock guy I'll still see every time I can is Robin Trower; he's lost a few steps but his phrasing and tone are still great. I think guitarists and bassists have it a lot easier than drummers and singers.
Robin Trower is great live. I saw him in 1978 and then I didn't see him again until 2019, 41 years later and he was exceptional both times. Nobody has a better guitar face than Robin Trower!
I do the same for Robin Trower , Corky Laing, John Mayall, and ofcourse Roger Chapman .
If making music keeps a person happy, let them be happy. We know our heroes are old now, and the glory days are far behind. We wont expect them to be their best. But we can let them be happy.
And there are still plenty of people happy to experience it ☘️👍☘️
Well said!
Saw the Stones for the first time in summer of 2019. Glad I saw them before those guys hang it up… as for when it’s time to stop, whenever they can’t do it anymore. Rock stars lasted a lot longer than people expected in, say, 1965. God bless ‘em.
Me too, in Seattle! Where did you see them?
In -95 I thought this might be the last chance to see them.
@@truthstillmatters59 In Philly at Lincoln Financial Field. Had a great time!
I’m 56 and was thrilled to hear Rik Emmett still singing clearly and hitting the high notes in his acoustic tours of small clubs just a few years ago. He has some great YT stuff if you want to reminisce.
Yup, Rik can still hit most of the notes but he's singing in lower keys too. I get the feeling a bunch of Canadians comment here! 😂
If I could see Mick and Keith play old blues covers in a small club, I'd pay...a lot! Great bluesmen should be old!
100% would see them do that but the small club would charge $2500 for entry
Here’s what I think: Genesee Cream Ale is a seriously underrated beer and that sign is absolutely one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen.
@jdraupp I remember Genessee Cream ale well. Love Little kings Cream ale …good times.
Of course we were all poor at one point and Genny Cream Ale was the go to!
You have to remember, it’s all they’ve ever done. It’s who they are. To quit would be like losing part of your soul. They may end up playing to empty venues, and play anyhow. You know?
I dunno. I'm 65...all I've ever known is computer programming. Do I want to keep coding until I'm 90? Probably not
like The Guitar Man, by Bread.
For me it's a problem when old rockers sing songs written for young rockers. Someone like James Taylor sings songs suitable for his age and still sounds wonderful.
I saw the Rolling Stones at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena in 2019 and they were awesome! I literally thought I would see one of them die on stage, but they rocked!
Clapton still has it. I watched a live version of Badge from 2019 and he sounded great. I still find myself surprised by how good he is.
Clapton says he will quit before he loses it
Sadly, Clapton has gone a bit fruit cake nutty on COVID vaccines. He is bat sh!t crazy 😜 like your conspiracy theory Uncle in the tin foil hat.
I think Clapton is semi retired now. He does one off shows but won't tour again. I have seen him twice. First time I saw him on the Pilgrim Tour and he was GERAT. I saw him later and it was like he fell off a cliff. He seemed so much older and more worn down. The set was less lively and he seemed to be going through motions more than having fun. But I might have caught him on an off night. His upcoming show in Dubai might be a good one.
Good to know.
Ive been on a ZZ Top kick lately and BGibbons is still amazing, vocals and guitar and he's in his 70s. Just as intense sounding as ever.
These performance feel like a wake for the memories we held for so long.
Love listening to you talk and play !!! Please start again
I saw The Rolling Stones this past Saturday in Nashville and yes even though Charlie (RIP) and Bill aren’t there, it was an incredible show. They all can still play very well. Mick was on point with his vocals and the other newer members fit right in. It was truly great.
They defy this whole argument.
@@teleguy5699 The argument isn't that everybody should hang it up at a certain age. The argument is if you can't deliver a competent performance and you're fleecing your fans, you should think about whether it's time to quit.
@@jamesjames9275 Nobody is forcing people to pay for tickets. I think most people know the deal when they go to see bands or performers they know aren't at the top of their game. It's up to them and the musicians to determine the market.
I was at the Nashville show and I agree, Great energy, especially for their age! Keith and Ronnie can still play all the parts. Neither was ever a virtuoso, its more about the attitude and energy they play with, even when they are almost 80! I hope I can still play at all when I get to that stage of life.
@@jamesjames9275 I agree with you, but with that said I would pay full price just to stand in a room with these guys for 5 minutes. They are part of my life, almost like family, in fact sometimes more like family than some of my real family.
I'm going to be 70 min a few months, and really, my guitar playing has actually improved lately. I learned to Travis -pick (3 fingers) during the lockdown, something I never thought I'd master.
As for the aging rockers: I'd be perfectly happy to see my heroes sitting around their living rooms or garages doing low-key jams on UA-cam, rather than doing arena tours. I'll bet a jam session with Paige, Plant and Alison Krauss would be a lot of fun. (I have no idea if Paige and Plant are still pals though).
People need to adjust as they age. The best example is probably John Fogerty's jams with his kids during the 1st Covid wave; they were so much fun! Their version of "Tombstone Shadow" was arguably better than the original!
Classic rock will never die! It’s in a lot of movies we all like, it’s not going anywhere. In all honesty songs like gimme shelter, Born on the Bayou… Songs like that never age!
Long live rock ‘n’ roll🎸
"they owe us nothing." You nailed it.
He's not really considered classic rock, but Nick Lowe, IMHO, has figured out better than most others how to age gracefully as a rocker. Years ago he started toning down his style, opting to play more acoustically and adopting a soft croon in his singing. He also started playing up his old man appearance, going for full grey hair, thick spectacles, and a wardrobe that suggests an English country gentleman, rather than a pioneer of punk and bash-it-out rock and roll. Nick has found a way to stay active and even grow his fan base while continuing to produce excellent new material.
Totally agree with you! He wised up with a plan and has done beautifully and his writing has matured in an awesome way! I saw him up close when he went out solo, loved it.
I agree, Nick is aging gracefully. His work with the Los Straightjackets is also entertaining.
The tyranny of the snare drum as Lowe put it...he has avoided it successfully
I never comment on UA-cam videos, this one makes me sad. I saw the Stones in Seattle 2019 it was without a doubt the greatest night of my life. To see this generation of legends fade away is so sad, time waits for no one.
I totally agree with everything you said. I saw Johnny Winter years ago and he needed help getting on stage. It was sad what he kept playing the same thing over and over. Can't wait to see the stones November 23rd. They can still get it done and God bless them. I first saw them in 1966 it all I heard was a girl in back of me screaming Mick. The last few years I have been filling my bucket list with Bad Company, mark f of Grand Funk, John f of CCR. I am 70 and with your help I am playing the best guitar of my life. Thank you
Think we're about the same age, James. That was a very well reasoned and eloquent piece. Good luck with your continued recovery.
Lips from Anvil summed it up prefect in the interview “ I’ll play TIL the day I die “ He talks about this exact issue. He sums it up perfectly !!
Learned a lot of guitar from you, thanks a lot for the videos through the years.
This is one of the reasons I have such great respect for Robert Plant. He realized early on that doing the same thing over and over again until you die is like living in a self-built prison. He also realizes Led Zeppelin songs are about youth and sex (and Hobbits) and he can't portray that character anymore. Imagine him singing something like Sick Again "One day soon you're gonna reach sixteen...: How gross would he feel at his age?
I personally feel bands should stop performing when they stop producing and representing what they set out to be.
I mean, they could pull off the Tolkien-esque thing and a lot of deeper cuts. But for the most part I agree
Honorable mention to most in need of stopping should go to Dylan. His live shows are nightmares. I am a huge bob fan, btw.
When I watched Cat Steven live a few years back he was amazing for his age still had an amazing voice!!!
Agreed !
I discovered listening your videos while getting blood pressure checked really does calm me to a good reading. Thanks for ALL your help!
The Who without Entwhistle, Moon,- Roger not swirling the mic? Not the WHO.
A word that stands out in JJ's talk, for me, is "dignity." But, so heart-wrenching for each of us to find that dignity has slipped away, then clamp down a lid on what had been the most important activities of our lives.
The clips I have seen from this latest Stones tour have blown me away. Steve Jordan has really energized the group.
As someone who has hit his late 60s, I'm seeing more and more of my heroes stepping down or worse, dying, Some still having a show or two in their pocket. Some not stepping down soon enough. This year, Arlo Guthrie, John Mayall, and others have announced they're done touring. The Hair Bands, I don't care if they can still play, the persona that they made doesn't fly when you're in your 60s (or 50s) The Stones are doing it but I hope this is their last. After the Kinks went off the road, Ray's Storyteller tour was fantastic. (The To the Bone album was a fantastic way to go out) But, here I am, 68,working on another CD (for the money as the streaming revenue of the last one is all of $28 :-) ) because I'm writing some of the best songs I've written. BUT, and this could shut me down, I'm starting to have issues with my sinuses/voice. My gigs are going well now but there will be a time when things aren't meeting my standards and then I'll be done. I really wonder if bad money management might be why some musician keep pulling out new tours. The road is a crappy place to be when you're 60. Time to quit? When you have nothing left to offer... and that is a different point for everyone. I'm going through the same thing with my motorcycles. When I feel I'm not "all in" on the bike, it'll be time to become another grey hair behind the wheel of a convertible. Hey, glad you're healing well and hope you're playing again soon. Thanks for the videos.
@@fletcherchristian2254 thanks. My comment wasn't for self promotion but I'm glad you subscribed. As far as I'm concerned, JamesJames is the best thing on You Tube. (well, maybe next to Nick Zentner's geology channel)
Thanks for sharing. And I checked out your channel, you're quite talented.
If you have your health and still able, ride, play... whatever you want that makes you feel alive. To hell with what ANYBODY thinks or says!
After the Kinks ended, I was lucky to see Ray three times in concert. The 1997 20th Century Man/Storyteller Tour, the 2006 Other People's Lives tour and the Kinks Choral Tour in 2010. He shone in all three shows and sang in his original keys without straining.
Sadly, Ray's health isn't the greatest anymore (heart and respiratory issues) so I don't think he will be touring anymore. However, I am thankful for the great musical gifts he has left us.
You're absolutely right! It's sad more than anything else. We don't want to go to shows to be sad. Jeff Lynne's ELO at Hyde Park in 2014 (on UA-cam) was absolutely amazing, but that was 7 years ago and he might not be able to pull it off again. Jeff Lynne admitted that he was a bit nervous about being able to do it again after so much time, but he nailed it. It really is up to the performer to know when to call it. Some performers, depending on how good they take care of themselves and even the genre, can have a long career. Some types of singing are less taxing on the voice. Some performers are smart enough to change their style to compensate for their age.
I saw ELO in Philly in August 2018. I had seen them live in '79. The orchestra and other support musicians for the band brought a clean, clear sound to every song that '70s ELO could never have dreamed of capturing. They brought the whole package live without digital wizardry making things "seem" real. Of course the pedals may have been updated (or not) but tube amps and pure talent brought a great show! 👌
WNYer here love the genesee cream ale plug. Best bad beer ever. 54 years old and have never been more motivated to play and learn. Wish I had this motivation in my 20’s. Trying to start a band and get serious before I get too old to play out
Happy to hear you are mending James. You are a youtube treasure...and I hope you don't retire any time soon. I have to agree with you wholeheartedly about rock stars having enough objectivity to just stop when they can't perform any longer. Heck, I used to go to a lot of Grateful Dead concerts and in the mid 80s I stopped going because they flat out couldn't sing even decently any longer (in my opinion) and they were still in their 40s. I feel the same way about Bob Dylan.... He once could actually sing but that was so long ago that most folks who will read this hadn't even been born yet. He'd be better off just reading the lyrics of his songs (he did win a Pulitzer after all). Sadly, there are a lot of examples of once great singers who simply can't do it now, including rock royalty like Brian Wilson, Paul McCartney, Steve Perry, and Elton John. You're right...it's OK guys, you've given the world an incredible amount of joy in the past 5-6 decades...you can just hang out with the grandkids now. Some exceptions....Justin Hayward (he really knows how to take care of his voice), Eric Clapton (can still sing...he must have some kind of magic elixir handy), Roger Waters (a good example...I saw him a few years ago and he was amazing...just as good as he was in the 1970s), Roger Daltry, (as you stated, can bring it if he is not overworked, which is incredible because he used to scream at the top of lungs for decades), and Jackson Browne. Again, great to hear you are on the road to recovery, James. Thanks for all of the great videos, man. Cheers.
Interesting thoughts James.
I actually reckon the Stones have sounded way better than they did in '89 since about the Forty Licks Tour. I saw them in 2006 and 2014 and they were on fire, with the exception of Keith's lead playing because of his arthritic fingers. Definitely on this 2021 tour, from what I've seen, it sounds like it's beginning to fall apart.
I think Bowie did it best - he went out with one of the best albums of his career. I'd love to see the Stones do that. They've been putting together an album apparently. If it's good, I say put it out as a last hoorah. Blue and Lonesome was fantastic too.
Keith’s playing (both rhythm & lead) is borderline embarrassing on this tour. And Ronnie is a shell of himself as well. Sad.
@@rockinvida1960 I've seen some great clips. The drummer is fantastic.
I think a lot of what is going on with them has to do with getting their hearts ripped out and going to work the next day without having time to absorb.
No. Go see them, then talk. I was there recently and I have seen them 7 times and this was one of their best shows ever. Excuse me. I agree with you on Phil Collins though.
@@rockinvida1960 No way man. The Stones are better than ever right now.
Nobody seems to want to admit that Paul McCartney has lost his voice. Yes it is sad but he needs to retire and play with his great grandkids and stop singing. He is painful to listen to now.
Same with Plant. These guys were so amazing that people give them a pass way beyond their expiration date.
Also nobody talks about him using auto-tune, makes him sound like a robot. Pathetic.
In person it’s great. But listening back to my recordings I didn’t feel showing it to anyone would be helpful to describe the experience.
Im personally glad he toured the past year. But just for the selfish and probably silly reasons for hearing and seeing Paul himself so his and The Beatles music.
Answer one question: if people are buying the tickets and enjoying it why stop
but he loves to play, im sure he knows that but it seems he makes it work
After watchin genesis's 2021 vids...I realized I would rather watch phil collins sing in a chair and bond with his son playing drums playing incredible music rather than watching younger crazy twurker dances with cuss words and nothing of value to say..I particularly love the fact he wanted to continue to make a memory for his future fans and kids and grandkids....its not sad...He has family connection..that he made memories...He will live forever in the hearts of those people who love him....I think that people thinking Phil being a sad crippled man..might be true...He can sing!! Close your eyes and listen and he still is wonderful to me..He sang in key making memories with his son! I think he should keep doing it with his family for as long as he can....Glen Campbell in his last days..And it gave them something to truly to live for...I hope we all have something to live for in the end..
I don't WANT to see my favorite classic bands as old geezers on a stage. I am content to stay home and watch old concert videos of them in their prime.
When they wheel you out in a wheel chair. Or standing with a cane. I can still watch Richards forget the intro to Happy and laugh with him.
Over the next 15years we may have nobody left from that era , just the music..Sad but true.In 100years hendrix will be like mozart.
I agree with you. Had a sad experience watching Johnny Winter led out to a chair and being clearly a shadow of himself. I know he needed to make a living. God bless him. On the other end, a couple years ago i got free tickets to see Paul MCCartney....i didnt want to go becsuse i didnt like seeing my heroes in decline. But, man oh man....what a great performance! One of the best shows I've seen!
McCartney’s voice sounds like complete shite these days. Get your hearing checked.
Couldn’t agree more on JW it was embarrassing & sad!
Well Vida, thanks for the advice? Love these public posts! All i can say is, I'm guessing four years ago, he sounded great. Not like his youth, thats gone, but he was a joy to listen to. Dave Grohl and some other FF's and Nirvana bassist joined him. A great show.
When Paul came to St. Louis in 17 ? he stayed on the stage for the entire 3 hours, voice declined ? yes but still one of the greatest concerts I ever attended. Saw him with Linda in the 90s and that concert didn't compare.
Same thing with Leon Russell
At least with The Stones, Jagger is more than self-aware enough to know it's time. Keith can always settle back into playing slow blues with whoever's in the room.
If Steven Tyler were Jagger...he'd STILL be wearing that jumpsuit from '69 telling the audience "“I think I busted a button on my trousers. Hope they don’t fall down. You don’t want my trousers to fall down, now, do you?"
When Mick's trouser's fall down and the crowd sees a pair of depends then it will be time to retire.
Amazing topic, I've been thinking about Phil calling it quits for a while now.
I totally agree with you, it's very sad to think that all these Rock Gods will probably not with us in 10 to 15 years. Hope to see your lessons soon
I completely agree with you.
Phil Collins used to be amazing , but , USED TO BE!
My favorite Genesis stuff is Phil on drums and Peter Gabriel doing the singing.
All our rock heroes are going quick. When Jimmy Page leaves us it will probably kill me too.
same with paul mccartney.... that will be the day that rock really dies....
Totally agree
Page and McCartney are the two greatest musicians of all time in my personal opinion.
Good to see you out of the sling man. Hope you’re back to your usual self soon. Here’s the thing brother. And you touched on it here. A lot of us wanna see and be a part of history. I’m a really big Stones fan. And Iv become even more of a fan mostly because of this channel and when I picked up a guitar because I heard beggars banquet, let it bleed, sticky fingers and exile on Main Street. I was born in 1991 dude. But those albums mean so much to me. You said you saw the stones in 89 and they were past it then. But I wasn’t even alive ! So this is all we have brother. And like you said bro. The stones still can play and put on a respectable show. Iv introduced my girl to those albums and she really likes them now and would have never given the band a second look past like satisfaction and under my thumb. We drove down to Saint Louis from Chicago and the last hour in the car ride I put on the ‘Stones in Exile’ documentary on UA-cam. About how they recorded exile in the south of France what was going on at the time who was visiting the house and just how chaotic that time was. So it got us psyched for the show. And when my girl and I were in the crowd and Mick introduced Keith and he played happy it was really special moment. And Imo, I think he sang it well. I was not at the 2008 show at the beacon theatre. But Keith and Ronnies you got the silver is probably my favorite version. You can watch that on YT. But you’re right in the sense that. A lot of it is being a part of history and seeing the best band that there ever was. I literally said to my girl, you’re part of history ! Haha. But we had fun time at the show man. We saw them open with street fighting man i mean how sick is that. It was fun and memorable ! I saw them back here in Chicago in 2019 at soldier field. I stood next to a guy who saw them in 72 75 81. And he said nothing will ever beat 72 but he said that night in 2019 was his second favorite show all time. It was the second night in Chicago Tuesday night I believe. They ventured off the usual set list quite a bit. Monkey man was voted. Play with fire, they came out to the middle of the run way to play that. Lol we took and edible and enjoyed a really special band. I think the stones are really special and they brought a lot of amazing music to the world. What else would me and that guy who was way older than me have in common and could talk for hours about ya know. Stones bro. They are the best band that ever lived. Haha imo. Good topic for discussion thats just me. I get the genesis thing. But for somebody could mean more to them if they’re a big fan. Hey man and Iv said this before in the comments. You gotta come to the south side of Chicago and see ‘Rocks Off’ they replicate the mick Taylor years better than anybody Iv ever seen. Really a fun show. You can look em up at Rocks off tribute online and check out their calendar. I know you like that era as most do. These guys can really rip. Been busy lately but glad im getting back into playing my guitar. Your channel always gets me psyched. Thanks JJ
Dude you are a baby compared to me. I'm 69! But your enthusiasm and youthful energy is still vary familiar to me. I've been a Stones fan since the beginning - the sixties! My first show was '72 in Fort Worth, Texas. Yes, it rocked and yes, it WAS history. I've seem them several times since. They're music is fantastic but it is also a sort of state of mind and you got it! The concerts were great, the albums were great and the personal events surrounding them were great. For example - Exile came out just days before my high school graduation. Can you imagine the graduation party my rocker buddies and me had? Dude.
There's a good DVD of Phil Collins Finally the First Farewell Tour 2003,some can do it some can't lv your vids .
James James -interesting perspective, I appreciate your views as well as your instructional videos, including those on your previous channel - hope you keep those up, and keep em coming. Thanks!
The point I agree with most is, it all depends on performance. Musicians-and not only the top of the heap stars-are
doing something they were born to do, for the most part. None of us start out with money or fame as the goal. It’s
something we found that made us happy to do especially with friends or other like minded people. It’s a spiritual and
emotional outlet, too. I am almost 75 and have been playing for audiences since age 13. As you age, the things that
really make it difficult are physical challenges. In my case, I’m still active in public and on studio recordings. I can still
play well and love to do so. But carrying that shit around and driving for an hour or more at 2:00 AM to get home …
That’s what will stop me. It’s not the playing-it’s all the rest of the crap that drives us crazy. And at some point that’s
what will keep me home on a Saturday night. For those far more famous than I, the punishment of touring is some-
thing that can put a damper on the most ardent of performers. It is a very personal decision on any level. We’ll all be
fortunate if we go out on our own terms, that’s one thing I know. As for The Stones, I have seen them over the last two
decades and they have played well, perhaps better than anyone could expect. But when they take their bow at the
end of the show, it seems sad there are now only three, not four. It is not the same without Charlie and they must
feel it every night. Sometimes the audience, or lack of such, makes the decision for you, I think. I saw B.B. King at least
once in every decade starting in 1969 and loved him. By the time he reached 80, though, it was plain to see he could
not play the way he wanted. We saw it in his face; he began to rely on the same things over and over and obviously
was disappointed in his performance. Oddly enough, he could still belt out that great voice. The last time I saw B.B.
was in 2009 and I decided that was it for me. i didn’t want to see him like that; I wanted to remember the greatness
and humility he brought to the stage all the previous times I’d seen him. I heard people booed him in some venues on
his last tours, and that must have really hurt. He had a lot of pride and always gave the audience more than they came
for. B.B. died six months short of 90, in 2015. He once said, “I don’t mind if I die on the bus, I just don’t want to die on
stage. I’ve already done that.” Amen, Brother “B,” amen.
grabbed a BB King 2005 Tour t-shirt at a thrift store , surprised at + comments I'll get
Prime example: Grace Slick. She retired from the music business in 1989 at the age of 50, after the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour. She didn't want to be the aging rock star. She's 81 now and has never regretted her decision. Another example: Neil Peart. He retired after the R40 tour ended in 2015, acknowledging that it was more and more difficult for him to play at the level and the proficiency he expected of himself. He also wanted a long-awaited home life and to pursue writing. He made his mark and said all he needed to say musically.
I think you are right, James. So many of these musicians still want to be relevant. Are they really? Perhaps some, but most...no.
Grace really knows what's what.
N.B. I'm in my mid-30s.
As someone who has loved classic rock since childhood, I look at it just as you described; seeing these guys is a box to be checked. I was never able to see a lot of these bands in their prime. Hell, I wasn't born until many of them were in the twilight of their careers. It was cool to see the Stones on the Forty Licks tour simply because they aren't known for playing Podunk, MT often. I had no real basis for comparison, and it was great.
I worked at a hotel for a few years and the highlight of that experience was meeting Plant. I know I'm one of the thousands of hotel workers he's had brief interactions with for ages, but to me it was cooler than seeing him perform, somehow. I don't hate his latter day output, but to me he will always be Zeppelin's front man. Again, probably because I wasn't around when they existed. So, I dunno. I would happily go to any of these aging rockers' shows cuz I don't know any better. Sorry for the novel.
Heal up fast, amigo.
You said it, "the world goes on". That's what bothers people. Not just rockers. When people retire that's a hard song to sing. Accepting the fact that the world WILL go on without you. You're left behind sorta speak. Your best years and contributions to this world and this life are OVER. It aint easy. You said of Phil Collins that he doesn't owe you anything. You're right and he knows it. He is doing it for himself. Who wants to be pulled from the game...
Can’t thank u enough for sharing your perspective on this , was actually just having this same conversation last week w/a coworker . I’m 54 and share your belief , they owe us the fans nothing , I’ve lived a life completely fulfilled with incredible music and have been fortunate enough to see 90% of the artists I love . That being said I really wish KISS would call it quits !! Glad to see you’re almost ready to start rockin again
Spot on, agree 100% and have been feeling this way for a long time now. What can I say? Time's a b!t@h and we're all getting up there... cheers!
If your old and hurt,what better thing to do than do what you love to do close to your end on this planet,even if your not hurt!
Love the Genesee sign behind you!
Mark Knopfler got out at the top of Dire Straits fame and his solo albums don't try to recreate the past. His current live shows really fit where he is in life, letting other musicians shine and are the best live shows that I have ever seen. To keep trying to play the hits you wrote in your 20's when you are pushing 80 doesn't really make sense. I would love to see a more stripped down Blue and Lonesome type Stones live show.
I think he's retired from touring too. He always had a pretty thin voice. Almost inaudible live ...
On the other hand it is really great when an older hit maker comes to a small venue, maybe with just an acoustic, and does a one man show talking about his hits and where they came from..l.Have gone twice to see Donovan solo and he was so outstanding with the bare bones of his songs and stories behind some...Cat Stevens (with his new name) also with some great stories behind the songs......I even heard Joe South before he past doing his songs solo on acoustic what a wonderful treat....
I think if you’re a creative person, retirement has a different meaning and impact on your life. A lot of people who are professional artists are doing it out of joy and the maintenance of their mental health, and their soul, really. And the ego involved, and the money…it just seems like as long as they can continue to fill seats and receive adulation and make gobs of money, it would be tough for a lot of people to give that up and face old age and death head on like everybody else. Just a thought.
Well said.
That's my take also. For fans, caveat emptor and try to enjoy...
One of the saddest and most exploitive concert experiences to be had is the (formerly) great Brian Wilson. He is brought out and seated at a piano he never plays, and looks positively catatonic as he mumbles out a few words in the course of an evening. Some nights are “better” than others but his excellent band covers for him every show. Super sad and depressing to watch.
That's a shame. I saw him in 2003 (IIR) and he sang like an angel.
We saw Pet Sounds 50th and he still had good moments which set the crowd off. The last tour he was suffering with a bad back and it's now time to cut out the tours. The band is the best and Al Jardine sounds as good as ever.
I think that after they have devoted so much of themselves and their time and life to creating the music and memories that we have enjoyed and been musically inspired by, we should give them the space and dignity that they need to do whatever makes them happy, even if it's sad or even disturbing to us.
Probably not a lot of Gino Vanelli fans here, but I saw him just a few yrs ago and he looked and sounded fantastic - he's almost 70.
Jazz and blues artists really have it easier as they age. Their art isn't all about youthful rebellion. Rockers have it tougher. Can anyone imagine, for example, the Sex Pistols, on a farewell tour at the age of 70....
Phil Collins used to be an actor when He was young before He was a musician
R.E.M. didnt want to carry on without Bill Berry, which was commendable. I'm glad that they didn't force it just for the sake of doing it. One of the last great bands that I grew up with and I'm glad I get to remember them at their peak.
Huh? They literally recorded numerous albums and toured for over a decade without Bill Berry.
Yes, what Joel said. They kept going long after Bill Berry left. Frankly, REM should have stopped much sooner than they actually did. Monster was the last album of theirs that actually had some great tunes on it.
I was a big Johnny Winter fan and to see him propped up in a chair at the end, rushing through songs was just sad
I saw him in the 80s with albert collins brilliant musicians.
He's been dead for 10 years now
Old rockers need to be like hip hip old heads and help young groups get signed and recognized
absolutely
Seeing Genesis go out like this makes me give Robert Plant more credit for not wanting to do a Led Zeppelin reunion tour. He knew when it was time to leave the party!!! Too many of these rock stars go on WAY TOO LONG!!!!
Hi James, I really hope you continue to recover/healing from your shoulder etc as I miss your lessons and playing, you are "one of a Kind" in your approach to playing the guitar. You are still very young at 53 years and plenty of musical time ahead. Your Post is very interesting, I am about to celebrate my 75th Birthday soon and still learning Guitar and songs as a hobby and have about 8 Electric Guitars including Acoustics, Amps and Effects etc, which our grand kids all love a Rocker Grandfather, I just have to have music in my life.
During the 60's (one of the Best Music periods out of UK & USA), my opinion, I was a semi-pro drummer in cover bands, so I got to know, learn, play and enjoy a lot of songs and music for that period and beyond. My idols are the Stones, The Beatles, The Searchers, Paul Jones of Manfred Mann, Spencer Davis, Phil, and most of the Pop Bands of UK & USA.
I still think that the celebrities of music, will always feel that they need to continue to fulfil their purpose and Stage Life & shows and as long as they can deliver their Hits to an audience during their ageing process, for the fans. The Stones & Paul of The Beatles are still great draw cards for shows. Paul often is a guest at Billy Joel, Bruce Springstein shows and that is really good for just one Hit song or two, but a whole show no longer cuts it. Obviously like Phil, it is not a good image of him sitting in a chair struggling to perform maybe he should do a retiring Album like the Stones. The Stones are still breaking all the rules of ageing but "Time is no longer on their Side!!.!. It is a well know fact that performing at shows brings in the money and faster than royalties and keeps the fans/followers active. Maybe they can re-ignite their past songs and image by sponsoring or mentoring younger bands (like The Young Rolling Stones) playing their Hits in a different arrangement to keep Mick & Keith happy with involvement. So in a Nutshell like they say in the Financial Industry, Get out while the shares/stocks are going higher, rather than going down. Leave their Image on a High!!
its a hard thing to say what your saying James, but i have to say i want to remember the music as it was not what its become. we all get old and as a 60 year old man i no when to quit.
Boy... interesting points. I actually started playing guitar in 2017 at the age of 58. Kids grown, job on cruise control, first time I've had enough time to really get into the playing well. I hope I can still play 20+ years from now, but yeh my dreams of rock stardom are nil. That said, anyone who has seen BOC and watched Buck Dharma totally shred "Last days of May" know's some of these guys can perform at a high level despite being 70+. I guess the bottom line is "it depends".
As long as they aren't totally embarrassing themselves, go for it.
Scott, good for you taking up the guitar! I used to play in cover bands but about 7 years ago I had a sudden unilateral hearing loss in my left ear. Totally deaf in that ear and they couldn't tell me if the right ear would follow. I was crushed. My grandson had started talking and I thought I might not hear him speak again. The good news was, after about a year, my hearing started to return. Some frequencies better than others but I could hear out of the ear. However, playing the electric bothered my ear and I became paranoid about loosing my hearing again. So, I picked up my acoustic and started writing songs. A few years later, this old guy ends up in a studio recording. (VERY humbling!) So, here I am at 68 getting ready to do a second CD. I am, by no means, a great guitar player, more a "Strummer" as Robbie Robertson of The Band once said disdainfully. We fight the good fight as we age. Some of us get lucky and have good genes which helps. The underlying thing is, when I play music, if I'm aching from whatever age has dealt me, it slides away. I hope to be able to keep playing for many years and I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your playing as I do mine. Our dreams of Rock stardom may be nil but we can still have fun. Play on old timer. :-)
@@mikestackhousemusic Thanks.. hang in there and good luck
Scott, great learning guitar at 58. That is when I started as well, just playing in retirement to keep my fingers moving and my mind engaged. It also makes the days go by with a lot of enjoyment!
Saw Tull a few years back (50th Anniversary) and Ian Anderson had young substitute singing many of the more hard core songs. Not sure what I thought of that. On one hand he didn't make a fool of himself, and on the other hand was he making a fool of himself.
We saw the Stones in LA Sunday night, and they were great! So glad they were able to make this encore. The place was electric, Mick, Keith and Ronnie were terrific. We loved seeing them!
When you can't do it or when it's just embarrassing because of the nature of the act.
She's not a "rock star" but Madonna reached the point of being the later. No one want to see grandma grinding in a g-string.
80's hair band that STILL dress like it's 1985. The spandex and hair dye aren't needed.
I think Grace Slick was pretty smart about stopping. Not many people or fans, myself included, what to see great-grandma singing about acid trips.
If you really want to see something embarrassing, take a look a the numerous Vince Neil "singing" Dr Feelgood. He can't remember ANY of the lyrics, he's too old to deliver...and he clearly doesn't give a shit. Once I stopped laughing...I felt bad for anyone who paid to see that.
McCartney's latest album III, was VERY telling for me. I liked it...but he can't deliver vocally like he used to. "Lavatory Lil" would have been a great song 10-15 years ago, but at 78 what are your going to do?
For me it's sad that Collins can't play drums anymore. I like a few early Collins' era songs...but his drumming was great.
This decade is going to suck for us classic rock fans...they're going to be dying off and/or embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
McCartney (who I think had the greatest pop voice if all time) sounds like complete shite now...dreadful.
Slick was aware of this, and stopped - even after admitting she stayed too long.
Your old dog metaphor fits quite well. “My Generation” should NEVER be performed again - by anyone! That era has passed. The drugs, the planes, the hedonism, the bombast.
Last one to leave, turn out the lights.
When the Red Sox’ David Ortiz stood for the last time at Fenway Park, he didn’t hide his tears. It was good-bye and everybody knew it.
Vince still sounds great. He needs to lose some weight of course.
I agree. McCartney can't cut it anymore. I'll still treasure him and Ringo. Whenever they both decide to hang it up, I'll be fine with that....❤️
Nobody seems to mind Mick Jagger prancing about like someone a third of his age, but woe betide if a woman does it. >;-< Saw Madonna at London Palladium in 2020. Her voice and energy were great and she looked fantastic. However, as (energetically) fit as she is, her body is beginning to work against her (I nicknamed the tour The Battle Of Wounded Knee) and that's age.
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"Croaking out the vocals..." Hilarious. I'm gonna use that one.
I recently saw Prter Frampton (in his 70's). He looks frail and definitely older, but I was pleasantly surprised that his voice and his playing was still good. His performance was good. But, like you said, most of the others have lost it and should have quit long ago. And it gets worse when these old guys can command such a high ticket price. I still like some of them and have respect for them, but it's such a rip-off. Keep on rockin' man, thx for your videos.
** THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD DO ** What really sucks is that the rock stars that were ‘stars’ for years and years, that made hit songs for decades…they just don’t know anything else. That’s all they ever did was to perform and staying home not touring or playing anywhere had to leave a person n those shoes about as depressed as a human being could get. I would think? I think these guys should, if they’re determined to keep it going, do surprise venues that are small and intimate, which I like better personally. They can offer different versions, acoustic versions that came into style after most of the guys had written their last hit songs. Tom, the singer for Cinderella, had his career ended early and at the height of his career due to a medical issue n his throat which sucks, but he’s come out lately playing his songs with an acoustic set and it’s awesome. He does cruise lines as well, and that would b at least an alternative to being DONE!! IMO
Hey, JJ, thx for bringing this out; I'm 68 and have vivid visual memories of the stones/eagles/reo/skynrd/aerosmith,/elton/joel/u2, etc in their heyday; all the 70's superstars who can still fill up the arena's with several generations of fans. Kudo's to them all for blowing the music industry up with greatness off the charts.
There is obviously a huge market for their shows, and it's their prerogative to satisfy their desire to play as well as the fans desire to see them. That being said, I much prefer to hear and see performers in their prime, which was 40 or 50 years ago in most of these cases. There is such a thing as retiring in grace before your skills are obviously eroded. It would behoove certain of these rock n rollers to saddle up and head for the ranch for a well deserved siesta.
I think it has a lot to do with what genre or style of music you chose to play or started with. It's very easy to visualize a Bob Dylan or a Neil Young playing solo in a chair with just an acoustic guitar at the age of 90. Some people would appreciate that. I always enjoyed seeing blues man John Jackson play here in Virginia even though he was too old to really pull it off anymore. Part of it was respect I felt for him and love.
Oh Boy, James James, thank you for this
I caught the documentary on the recent Genesis tour (delayed by Covid) on Sky and couldn't bear to watch beyond about 30 minutes. The pictures of Phil Collins sitting on stage were just so sad. He reminded me of the character in the UK sci-fi series Dr Who called Skaro who was the creator of the Daleks. I'm 63 and a Brit and Genesis were part of that essential soundtrack from age 14 to 18. When Gabriel left some fans abandoned them but for me Phil Collins stepped into Gabriel's shoes as a singer perfectly. The voice, the wit, the creativity.. he kept Genesis's raison d'être alive. And what a drummer, up there with Bruford, Bonham, Baker... the band changed but kept abreast of the times and embraced the MTV revolution with skill, wit and pathos. Jesus He Loves Me is one of many great videos they made. So it was just awful watching that documentary. It should never have happened and Phil and the other members of the band should never have let it happen. They are heroes to me and a whole load of my contemporaries, and of several younger generations and that should surely be enough. Have some dignity!
There is a place for some of these veterans. I don't object to Joe Bonamassa bringing Eric Clapton on for a song or two. That's respectful.. BB King sitting on stage and introducing (as if they needed it) John Mayer, Derek Trucks to his fans, that's cool... passing the mantel with dignity. And a few master craftsman still have something to teach.. Jeff Beck can still hold his head up high as an innovator.
But please, everyone, know when your time is up.
In 2013, my wife, kids, and I saw McCartney. His voice had definitely lost that sweet tone, but he still sang pretty well. The kids loved it. They were already fans, but seeing him live definitely was an event for them. It wasn’t like seeing him in ‘76. But it was still damn good. But I knew that was the last time I’d see him live. I’d rather my last time be still a great performance than even a mediocre one. I last saw The Who in ‘79, and I’m fine with that. Many times since I’ve considered seeing them, but I wasn’t sure I’d see anything close to my last concert.
Poignant topic. Just a comment to let you know I enjoy your videos, we’re the same age, got a friend from school who saw Beatle Paul last month and said he was fantastic, and he’s gonna be EIGHTY. Pretty much agree with all your points.
“ I rather be dead than singing ..Satisfaction..when I’m 45 “. 🎸😎
The saddest part about this era would be that there is nobody waiting in the wings to replace any of these bands .Saw the stones in Buffalo 82, a young George Thorogood opened . I thought I better go see them now might not get many more chances....
red hot chilli peppers still play massive shows
I was there. It was pouring down rain when Thorogood was on. Then it cleared up and got windy as hell. They had to cut Lips down off of the scaffolding. Wasn't Journet there also. ? The Stones rocked it too. I like the version of Slave. . It was baddass.
Spot on-some of the crooners and ballad singers can go past 70, but damn many many acts are embarrassing themselves. hard to be the working man when you are selling your music for 400 million to add to what you have......talkin bout you Bruce....
"It's better to burn out, than to fade away."
A lawyer is only as good as his/her last case. A pilot is only as good as his/her last flight. A rockstar...? Well, they're immortal. And, they should be remembered that way. Leave us with those memories. YOU - ARE - "A ROCKSTAR".
Been following you since privettricker times, and you have been huge to my guitar playing.
I can totally relate what you are saying. I had this moment with BB King years ago in Belgium. It was just sad to see. Embarassing. At least i hugged him after the concert, which was amazing.
Secong embarassing moment was to see Axl Rose with Guns'n Roses 10 years ago.. after seeing them in 1992.
If you prop me up If you prop me up I'll never stop
If you prop me up If you prop me up I'll never stop
I've got liver spots My joints are creaking, my heart just stopped
If you prop me up If you prop me up I'll never stop, Never stop, never stop, never stop
You make an old man cry...You make an old man cry...You make an old man cry
My pants are soiled, I need insulin. If I strut on stage add nitro-glycerine...prop me up
If you prop me up plug in my hearing aid...the lyrics I forgot, I forgot, I forgot
If I bluff enough You wont notice I can't stay in tune...Stay in tune, Stay in tune, Stay in tune
Don't make an old man die... Don't make an old man die... Don't make an old man die
My eyes dilate, my lips go green. My hands are wrinkled, I'm an obscene, old, has-been. Prop me up
prop me up and I'll give it all I've got. You got to never, never, never stop. You make an old man cry
You make an old man cry You make an old man cry
Before the show, run to the john at double speed. I also need braces on both my knees... prop me up
Love the day when they'll make me stop. That's the day I'll be playing my golden harp
Doctor bills, Never stop, never stop. Yo, yo, you take insurance doc?
This nearly dead man has succumbed. This nearly dead man has succumbed
Excellent!!!!
I agree with your assessment. Watching these old rockers on one hand I respect their perseverance, but on the other hand it is sad to watch them struggle with the stuff they used to do. Money is one of the motivator as well as ego. When is the cutoff point good question, I'm 65 and I still think I'm the same until I look in the mirror! LOL The fans do need to acknowledge that we collectively force them to continue. I went and see Bob Dylan (lifetime fan) and It was painful to watch to say the least. I guess I can say I seen him in concert. Love your stuff JJ!
Do you think that when the band members die that their music dies with it? I'm 20. My generation still listens to classic rock and because of youtube and social media, it keeps getting more lives. Thank god for that. Do you think in 20 years you can put on Sticky Fingers or Physical Graffiti and still love them the same as you do right now or how you did how many years ago?
Agree with nearly everything you say. I think the purpose of the Genesis tour is literally the chance to SEE them one last time. Especially in the UK, because they did hardly any dates there last time.
In my opinion, aging rockers are still touring because a) they still can b) they are very driven people who would find retirement too dull c) the money is huge, even if they don't need it d) Some tour because they need the money (e.g. several Kiss reunions) e) Rockstars are very insecure and need constant adulation (e.g. McCartney) f) We're stuck in a very nostalgic era. g) Some are probably surrounded by sycophants who will also make money if they go on tour h) As with some of their new music, they don't seem to realise that it's not that good.
Agree McCartney should stop touring. He really can't sing well enough any more. COVID saved him from headlining Glastonbury last year, when he would probably have made a fool of himself.
Hope you're doin' even better today, man. I was just lookin' at that little solo you did over Balinese. I liked it.
I saw B.B. King and Little Richard long after they both should have retired, and it wound up just depressing me. I saw McCartney back in 2017, and the show was good, but it wasn't the McCartney of old. Keith said a long time ago that there is no Stones without Charlie, and I agree. To me, The Who have been cashing in ever since they did their "farewell tour" back in the 1980s. And, I agree that there should be no Led Zeppelin reunion.
Don Henley said there'd be no Eagles without Glenn Frey, too.............but that lasted about a year.
It's gonna hurt when Pagey goes on to the gig in the sky. But yea the best bands of that era are over. I haven't been interested in seeing any of those acts live for probably ten years or more. Yea I'd have loved to seen Zep in 07 but not now. I haven't cared about seeing the stones live since basically as long as I've been old enough to see bands live. My favorite show ever was the original Black Sabbath when they reformed in 98 and toured. They still had it, it was my childhood heros who I never thought I'd ever get to see, they broke up the year I was born. I was staying with my sister in Durham NC and she's like what bands would you like to see? Anyone particular? Hey Black Sabbath is coming to ......😵🤘☠️🥳👹🎸
It was a religious experience for me!
Thank you Bev!
Im 67 and most of my guitar idols are the same or older. Look at Leslie West with one leg sitting in a chair. You do what you love until you die and that's all there is to it. Your not there yet James so tell me the same when you're my age. Keep Rocking, lol.