Steep Dive: United Airlines Boeing 777 Descends To 775 Feet Above Pacific Ocean
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2023
- It's been a busy start to the year in terms of reports regarding close calls and unexpected incidents for US airlines…
And even though this event occurred on December 18th, 2022, it has now been revealed that a United Airlines Boeing 777 flying from Maui, Hawaii, to San Francisco, California, took a steep dive and came within 800 ft of the surface of the Pacific Ocean! Let’s look at the details of this incident in today’s video…
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Additional training? What was it? “don’t crash your plane into the ocean!”
I love how these airlines can say so many words without saying anything at all!
If blancolirio is correct about the possibility of it being autopilot set to 0 altitude and the captain switching to AP at 2000 feet or so, the training may be “look at your damn AP settings before switching to it.”
@@dfor So many systems so little sanity checks.
I remember back in the day, computer scientists used to talk about how it is orders of magnitude more difficult to make a self-driving car than a fully-featured/automated autopilot.
I wouldn't be surprised if something could be hacked together exclusively using a Nano Jetson, and standard Nvidia AI libraries, that would be statistically safer.
You have no idea what you’re talking about
@@dfor reminds me of that Emirates 777 incident where the AP was set to 0 on the ground, they almost crashed in takeoff
@@leniterfortis4832 ok, but I also didn’t almost kill a bunch of people…so I got that goin for me.
Too close for comfort.
Way too close for comfort
United ain’t comfortable anyways
These concerns should be addressed ASAP! ....
They should have turned back and reported to NTSB. Especially since the plane exceeded its rating of 2.5 Gs. After that close call in Austin and now this, I feel a little less safe flying in the US.
They would have had no way of knowing they pulled 2.7Gs in the moment from within the cockpit. It isn't a fighter. Most airliners do not have a G meter or any way for the pilots to know this has been exceeded. It's very likely maintenance would have seen that data in very short order during the flight. But at a company as big as UA, probably not fast enough to catch them before they made serious headway. And not to warrant sitting around, dumping or burning fuel, or risking an over weight landing on an over stressed plane to return. To that end, pressing on was probably no more dangerous than going back. I'm sure someone, not the pilots, knew this had happened, and the decision was made above the pilots heads that the best option was to press on based on conditions.
America is a 3rd world nation
@@fastfiddler1625 Could be a possibility of Trim Runaway..
Pilot training meaning the pilot did something wrong
Holy moly! 800 feet over the ocean is *terrifyingly* close to a crash! 😱
Flying in/out of OGG can be squirrelly as a norm. West Maui Mountains & Haleakala can create a turbulent funnel in addition to storm conditions. I have experienced a few considerable "dips" over the years during the final moments of approaches and initial moments after rotating. Never really a dull moment at OGG.
This day's event had more to do with a broad storm system affecting the state than the island's topography.
@blancolirio did a good job summarizing this. It’s speculated that the altitude hold was set to zero feet sea level and when the pilot switched to autopilot the plane started doing what it was told. A passenger who is a pilot reported there was no change of attitude which makes me think turbulence or maybe a downdraft.
Nearly zero chance it was turbulence or downdraft of such extreme proportions without them fairly promptly passing a report to ATC. Very high rate of descent plus 100kt ground speed increase suggests loss of control either manual or AP. We'll find out when the report comes out.
Regarding the AP theory, that's either impossible or the ADSB data is wrong. The ADSB data shows a drop of over 1000ft and speed increase by 100kts in 10 or 12 seconds! Aint no AP that'll do that.
What’s even better is he’s a 777 pilot if I recall correctly
altitude hold cannot be set to 0 in the 777. Alt hold is a mode which holds the current altitude, as the name suggests. Even with an altitude of 0 dialed in in the mcp, a vertical mode such as FL CH or V/S would be necessary for the autopilot to follow the command.
@@airflo_muc I think you're nit-picking on the exact terms being used. Of course you are correct that alt hold mode specifically can't spontaneously descent to 0ft but most of the people commenting here are almost certainly not pilots of any kind, let alone proficient on 777 AP. It could pretty much only be level change mode being engaged. Pointless to argue about it now though before the NTSB have even had a chance to look at it. There's a lot of conflicting info currently. The ADSB alt drop would have necessitated a zero G push over for several seconds. The AP wont do that and it would surely be all over the news with pax complaining if it had been so extreme.
The NTSB is having a very busy year!
you misspelled weeks*
The same day of this incident, a Hawaiian Airlines A332 hit severe turbulence and injured 30+ people, some of them seriously. That incident was just an hour before this incident. That aircraft was also off the coast of Maui when the incident occurred. I had hoped SF would’ve made mention of it as it occurred on the same day but, I guess it’s irrelevant.
Airlines are hiding their "excess baggage", I guess....
No its not irrelevant!
Thanks for sharing this info.
The report stated they flew into bad weather.That suggests a wind shear event that can easily bring an aircraft down multi hundreds of feet. The high G force would be equated to the correction to the flight path to regain positive climb. Purely speculative on my part.
@Nunyabidnez, I've read that they selected flaps 0 from the t/o setting of flaps 20, never stopping at 15 or 5. Lost lift until they figured out at low speed and heavy gross weight that was shall we say, suboptimal.😳
Give's me the chills actually.
33,000 in 7 minutes...!?
Not to mention the near miss in Houston...
What happened in Houston
I’ve been to Kahului on that same type of plane on the same route at least 5 times and it’s kinda crazy to think about
Same here I was on this very same flight 2 weeks before this happened. Nuts.
Same thing happened just a few weeks ago for a flight taking of from UAE.
Very scary for the passengers!
Pls background music
Reminds me Of CI006
Pele's Curse. Someone was trying to take lava rocks out of Hawaii.
Great watching this video right after buying a ticket on a United 777! 👍 Guess I'm gonna get my moneys worth.
Please make a detailed video on Air India orders and strategies in aviation marketing and global presence.✈️🇮🇳
Similar to that Air France from New York flight last year
Do we have an official explanation for this yet?
Close call? Almost a crash. Flying is too dangerous and people should know it.
Actually flying is way safer than a car.
Diversity is strength. Unless you crash into the ocean.
Somebody would have to pay me to go on vacation nowadays, no matter means of travel.
Not mention FedEx close call with southwest
They need to lenghten that damn runway at OGG!
Aviate academy comes to mind.
In my opinion, AP should only be set on when you already reached the country's transition altitude and has cleared the country's departure air space.
And waste a load of fuel with the inefficiencies of human inputs to the controls. Automation can fly far more efficiently and safely than humans. That’s why the autopilot has to be engaged in RVSM airspace. Humans are too inaccurate to fly so close.
@@TW19567 While you are still in the departure range it is not always a standard flight path as originally planned. The departure control may direct you to a different bearing or altitude as needed depending on the air traffic and sometimes the weather or visibility is a problem as well. That's why until you have reached the transition altitude and cleared the last way point of departure I think it would still be in manual. That's normally about 15 to 20min and should be part of the calculated fuel consumption.
And what would be the benefit of that procedure?
We’re is the music 🎵 I don’t complaining but get little confused about only 😂
Very close....
Was this the same day Hawaiian Airlines flight 35 suffered that severe air turbulence ?
You got it right, pal!
At least it didn't hit the water
Uhh, and I’m taking that exact same flight next month… it better not be that same exact aircraft 🤣
There is no indication that aircraft had anything to do with this.
@@danharold3087 But maybe fly an airbus just in case ;-)
@@MarkUKInsects won't do much of a difference at all
At least 90% of the time incidents like this have nothing to do with the aircraft itself.
@@MarkUKInsects well I guess you didn't hear about the Hawaiian airbus a330 incident where dozens of passengers were taken to hospital due to injuries a few months ago.
If the weather is involved , it really doesn't matter the aircraft you fly in.
This is why I do not like flying over the Pacific nor do I like landing at DOH, HKG, BOS, or SFO
the full service carrier United seriously needs to retire it's aging fleet of B777-200 & B777-200 ER . . . replace such old airframes with B787-8 & B787-9 . . . or AIRBUS A330-900 Neo for that matter . . .
This is very disturbing, a Qatar Airways 777 suffered almost exactly the same thing right after take off from Doha, Qatar very recently. They also recovered and continued to Europe.
It was Qatar Airways 787-8 Doha to Copenhagen
Why did they continue i would rather descide to land it to nearby airport. I dont know how close was Europe to incident.
@@keyboard407 i guess they continued because it was a piloting error, it wasn't a technical issue. the pilot flying lost situational awareness and got disoriented
I think it was a 787, but still ridiculous as the pilots didn’t say a thing to their passengers after the incident and still carried on to their destination
I wouldn't like to have been on that flight.
775 ? Blud that's a vertical descent planes cover in second
Might have fat fingered the weights and were heavier than what was inserted in flight computer. When flaps were retracted, the speeds and power were to slow and low for aircraft to continue flying and stalled. That’s my guess.
i didn't know there was a storm in the area. if that happened i would also have gotten away from it instead of going around and landing on that nightmare
Apparently airlines focus is profits, not so much safety.
Um, that would be scary. Banning External battery chargers was enough. And battery packs are essential for me as a transit and aviation enthusiast who has so many photos and videos on his phone, lol
I’m curious to know why simple flying have not reported on the Qatar Airbus deal for over a week now?
Some kind of wind shear I guess ??
A lot of conflicting information on this one. The NTSB have opened and investigation so we'll know all about it in a few weeks.
Possible Microburst
That plane climbed 32000 feet in 7 minutes? That's a rate of climb of 4500 fpm. Something tells me the data is off here
I'd bet they had the altitude select on the MCP set to "0000". If you engage autopilot with the altitude select set to 0000, guess what will happen.
Given that Altitude preselect is the issue. This sounds like a simple fix would be a software change so that something gets added to the pre takeoff checks to ensure AP altitude select is set to something other than 0. The AP wouldn’t engage if this condition existed.rather,the pilots would get the appropriate message to the above effect.
@@cjsims3000 sure. or lock out autopilot engage when altitude select is < 2000 ft above AGL read from the RADALT. Easy fix with no impact.
@@varunvarshney I agree. This must have been a case of severe downdraft.
Not Simple Flying.
Micro burst????
Wow. Wonder if this is a byproduct of United outing new hires in wide-body’s…
I hope the guitars are ok.
haha
Wasn’t there a similar accident near Copenhagen with a Qartar Airways 787?
Yep
@@AdvaitVaze there have been multiple issues with grounded 787s waiting delivery. I struggle to believe that as least one of these issues don't effect 787s already flying.
@@MarkUKInsects the youtube experts at it again. Haha
How you manage to connect the 2021 787 delivery halt, to a 9 year old aircraft Qatar airways received in 2014, is just beyond me. 😂😂
@@mmm0404 If it beyond you then maybe you shouldn't be commenting on here either. Read up first
It's seem that all planes involvedwas Boeing
Didn't the same thing happen to qatar airways recently?
Yes but this United incident happened in December
Yes tho it was a 787
I had a bad experience on a Boeing 707 many, many years ago. That flight was already at cruising altitude when it dropped several thousand feet before the pilot regained control of the aircraft. I can understand how the passengers on that United flight would have felt.
Why did it happen?
Because pilots make mistakes sometimes. They aren't super god-like creatures.
@@davidkavanagh189 meh…. Sounds like a micro burst. Control surface failed. I would prefer to know more than some corporate word salad
@@stankythecat6735 Near zero chance of that unless they reported it and nobody thought to mention it. There's no way a crew would fly through a weather event like that and not immediately report it to ATC, which would be the end of the whole mystery. The ADSB data says they dropped over 1000ft and gained 100kt in 10 or 12 seconds! That more or less equates to a zero G push over. So it's either a major loss of control or faulty ADSB data or a combination of the two. They NTSB are now investigating so we'll know all about it soon enough.
@@davidkavanagh189 thanks ! Seeing the visualization was horrific. Wonder if they hit 0 g?
@@stankythecat6735 I think it'll turn out to be a partial glitch in the ADSB data in terms of how rapid or gradual the descent was. I've read elsewhere from people on board that it was a relatively gentle descent. For sure it would be all over the news with pax complaining if it had been zero G for any length of time.
Seriously, what's going on with US airlines recently.?
Mcas?
No mcas on the 777, just the 737 max
Micro burst possibly?
Could be
@@wadehiggins1114 not for that rate of fall from the height
Word around town is flaps remained at takeoff setting for longer than usual and the pilots lost situational awareness in the midst of the storm and the aircraft stalled hence the recommended extra training the pilots were given after the fact. Just speculation on the info heard.
Why us airlines retain their fleet age so old, it could be a safety concern
Looks singapore or qatar they retain their fleet no more than 15 years
Airplane to Seaplane 😀🤣
What's more concerning is that this happened to a Qatar airways 787 just a couple of days ago as well. Seems like there's something going on at Boeing...
Pilot makes a serious error and now you want to blame Boeing for it.🤦
Unless the pilot was a Boeing employee. Haha
Boeing killed 346 people on 2 separate crashes involving the 737 MAX jet. The families of the victims didn't get any justice. The CEO walked away with millions of dollars instead of walking away in handcuffs.
That 777 really decided to become a 737 Max 8 for a second
So, the headline made it seem that this aircraft was way over the Pacific Ocean, sensationalizing the situation! Misleading headlines
Similar incidents of QATAR B787 uncontrollable aircraft.. that's the BOEING TECHNOLOGY have.. this was happened on 2 Boeing B737-MAX's crashes..
the qatar 787 descended rapidly due to lack of situational awareness of the first officer, nothing to do with any of the aircraft bruh
What are you talking about?😂😂
Every one in the US is overworked and exhausted. Including pilots and air traffic controllers. It's going to take a disaster for anything to change as usual
Vaxident?
Pilot error
Sorry but not enough pilot training causes
A number of unnecessary "incidents".
Flying is the safest form of travel, just about.
So, no one what caused the incident? Additional training, my arse!
FLIGHT CONTROL SYS
Another US incident…
L united
covid created a lot of rusty pilots
Probably a human who set the wrong altitude on autopilot instructions or something.
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Wow! Someone new 😂 🎉. Nick and Heidi will not be happy 🤣. Speaking of which, where are they??
No, wait, Nick and Heidi are on DJ’s channel. My bad!
@@awatercolourist and this channel.
@@heidirabenau511 Hi Heidi! Good to see you here!
I'm second, ohhhhh noo never mind :(
Here's the general advise....don't fly United!
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Boeing again lol when I book my flight , I look for Airbus