Steep Dive: United Airlines Boeing 777 Descends To 775 Feet Above Pacific Ocean

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  • Опубліковано 16 лют 2023
  • It's been a busy start to the year in terms of reports regarding close calls and unexpected incidents for US airlines…
    And even though this event occurred on December 18th, 2022, it has now been revealed that a United Airlines Boeing 777 flying from Maui, Hawaii, to San Francisco, California, took a steep dive and came within 800 ft of the surface of the Pacific Ocean! Let’s look at the details of this incident in today’s video…
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  • @TheMitchyb61
    @TheMitchyb61 Рік тому +140

    Additional training? What was it? “don’t crash your plane into the ocean!”
    I love how these airlines can say so many words without saying anything at all!

    • @dfor
      @dfor Рік тому +23

      If blancolirio is correct about the possibility of it being autopilot set to 0 altitude and the captain switching to AP at 2000 feet or so, the training may be “look at your damn AP settings before switching to it.”

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Рік тому +1

      @@dfor So many systems so little sanity checks.
      I remember back in the day, computer scientists used to talk about how it is orders of magnitude more difficult to make a self-driving car than a fully-featured/automated autopilot.
      I wouldn't be surprised if something could be hacked together exclusively using a Nano Jetson, and standard Nvidia AI libraries, that would be statistically safer.

    • @leniterfortis4832
      @leniterfortis4832 Рік тому

      You have no idea what you’re talking about

    • @ieataviationgradefuelusedonthe
      @ieataviationgradefuelusedonthe Рік тому

      @@dfor reminds me of that Emirates 777 incident where the AP was set to 0 on the ground, they almost crashed in takeoff

    • @TheMitchyb61
      @TheMitchyb61 Рік тому

      @@leniterfortis4832 ok, but I also didn’t almost kill a bunch of people…so I got that goin for me.

  • @SpottinPlanesForLife
    @SpottinPlanesForLife Рік тому +75

    Too close for comfort.

  • @anishanikki4164
    @anishanikki4164 Рік тому +6

    These concerns should be addressed ASAP! ....

  • @ross4
    @ross4 Рік тому +48

    They should have turned back and reported to NTSB. Especially since the plane exceeded its rating of 2.5 Gs. After that close call in Austin and now this, I feel a little less safe flying in the US.

    • @fastfiddler1625
      @fastfiddler1625 Рік тому +1

      They would have had no way of knowing they pulled 2.7Gs in the moment from within the cockpit. It isn't a fighter. Most airliners do not have a G meter or any way for the pilots to know this has been exceeded. It's very likely maintenance would have seen that data in very short order during the flight. But at a company as big as UA, probably not fast enough to catch them before they made serious headway. And not to warrant sitting around, dumping or burning fuel, or risking an over weight landing on an over stressed plane to return. To that end, pressing on was probably no more dangerous than going back. I'm sure someone, not the pilots, knew this had happened, and the decision was made above the pilots heads that the best option was to press on based on conditions.

    • @TomCook1993
      @TomCook1993 Рік тому

      America is a 3rd world nation

    • @kssandhu4693
      @kssandhu4693 Рік тому +1

      @@fastfiddler1625 Could be a possibility of Trim Runaway..

  • @gtiguy9629
    @gtiguy9629 Рік тому +13

    Pilot training meaning the pilot did something wrong

  • @vondahe
    @vondahe Рік тому +5

    Holy moly! 800 feet over the ocean is *terrifyingly* close to a crash! 😱

  • @sundragon7703
    @sundragon7703 Рік тому +10

    Flying in/out of OGG can be squirrelly as a norm. West Maui Mountains & Haleakala can create a turbulent funnel in addition to storm conditions. I have experienced a few considerable "dips" over the years during the final moments of approaches and initial moments after rotating. Never really a dull moment at OGG.

    • @stonew1927
      @stonew1927 Рік тому

      This day's event had more to do with a broad storm system affecting the state than the island's topography.

  • @colinjohnson5515
    @colinjohnson5515 Рік тому +50

    @blancolirio did a good job summarizing this. It’s speculated that the altitude hold was set to zero feet sea level and when the pilot switched to autopilot the plane started doing what it was told. A passenger who is a pilot reported there was no change of attitude which makes me think turbulence or maybe a downdraft.

    • @davidkavanagh189
      @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому +6

      Nearly zero chance it was turbulence or downdraft of such extreme proportions without them fairly promptly passing a report to ATC. Very high rate of descent plus 100kt ground speed increase suggests loss of control either manual or AP. We'll find out when the report comes out.

    • @davidkavanagh189
      @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому

      Regarding the AP theory, that's either impossible or the ADSB data is wrong. The ADSB data shows a drop of over 1000ft and speed increase by 100kts in 10 or 12 seconds! Aint no AP that'll do that.

    • @filledwithvariousknowledge2747
      @filledwithvariousknowledge2747 Рік тому +5

      What’s even better is he’s a 777 pilot if I recall correctly

    • @airflo_muc
      @airflo_muc Рік тому +1

      altitude hold cannot be set to 0 in the 777. Alt hold is a mode which holds the current altitude, as the name suggests. Even with an altitude of 0 dialed in in the mcp, a vertical mode such as FL CH or V/S would be necessary for the autopilot to follow the command.

    • @davidkavanagh189
      @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому

      @@airflo_muc I think you're nit-picking on the exact terms being used. Of course you are correct that alt hold mode specifically can't spontaneously descent to 0ft but most of the people commenting here are almost certainly not pilots of any kind, let alone proficient on 777 AP. It could pretty much only be level change mode being engaged. Pointless to argue about it now though before the NTSB have even had a chance to look at it. There's a lot of conflicting info currently. The ADSB alt drop would have necessitated a zero G push over for several seconds. The AP wont do that and it would surely be all over the news with pax complaining if it had been so extreme.

  • @heidirabenau511
    @heidirabenau511 Рік тому +13

    The NTSB is having a very busy year!

    • @Tonyx17
      @Tonyx17 Рік тому +1

      you misspelled weeks*

  • @locoHAWAIIANkane
    @locoHAWAIIANkane Рік тому +13

    The same day of this incident, a Hawaiian Airlines A332 hit severe turbulence and injured 30+ people, some of them seriously. That incident was just an hour before this incident. That aircraft was also off the coast of Maui when the incident occurred. I had hoped SF would’ve made mention of it as it occurred on the same day but, I guess it’s irrelevant.

    • @santagemma6212
      @santagemma6212 Рік тому

      Airlines are hiding their "excess baggage", I guess....

    • @oadka
      @oadka Рік тому +4

      No its not irrelevant!

    • @santagemma6212
      @santagemma6212 Рік тому +3

      Thanks for sharing this info.

  • @christopherescott6787
    @christopherescott6787 Рік тому +17

    The report stated they flew into bad weather.That suggests a wind shear event that can easily bring an aircraft down multi hundreds of feet. The high G force would be equated to the correction to the flight path to regain positive climb. Purely speculative on my part.

  • @stevenvogel9249
    @stevenvogel9249 Рік тому +2

    @Nunyabidnez, I've read that they selected flaps 0 from the t/o setting of flaps 20, never stopping at 15 or 5. Lost lift until they figured out at low speed and heavy gross weight that was shall we say, suboptimal.😳

  • @nurrizadjatmiko21
    @nurrizadjatmiko21 Рік тому +8

    Give's me the chills actually.

  • @GeorgeParkerCustom
    @GeorgeParkerCustom Рік тому +5

    33,000 in 7 minutes...!?

  • @maxenceleboeuf
    @maxenceleboeuf Рік тому +6

    Not to mention the near miss in Houston...

  • @loganmtb5376
    @loganmtb5376 Рік тому +3

    I’ve been to Kahului on that same type of plane on the same route at least 5 times and it’s kinda crazy to think about

    • @teddynugz
      @teddynugz Рік тому

      Same here I was on this very same flight 2 weeks before this happened. Nuts.

  • @OluwamayowaSteepe
    @OluwamayowaSteepe Рік тому

    Same thing happened just a few weeks ago for a flight taking of from UAE.

  • @colinrenfrew48
    @colinrenfrew48 Рік тому

    Very scary for the passengers!

  • @therealcubisima
    @therealcubisima Рік тому +2

    Pls background music

  • @NTxRKxTL_Productions
    @NTxRKxTL_Productions Рік тому

    Reminds me Of CI006

  • @fixpacifica
    @fixpacifica Рік тому +3

    Pele's Curse. Someone was trying to take lava rocks out of Hawaii.

  • @VictorWasa
    @VictorWasa Рік тому +3

    Great watching this video right after buying a ticket on a United 777! 👍 Guess I'm gonna get my moneys worth.

  • @akshatswarup8223
    @akshatswarup8223 Рік тому

    Please make a detailed video on Air India orders and strategies in aviation marketing and global presence.✈️🇮🇳

  • @andersonrodriguez8258
    @andersonrodriguez8258 Рік тому

    Similar to that Air France from New York flight last year

  • @fruitpunch5260
    @fruitpunch5260 11 місяців тому

    Do we have an official explanation for this yet?

  • @santagemma6212
    @santagemma6212 Рік тому +1

    Close call? Almost a crash. Flying is too dangerous and people should know it.

  • @michaelwhite278
    @michaelwhite278 Рік тому +1

    Diversity is strength. Unless you crash into the ocean.

  • @strega_babeharestreets2339
    @strega_babeharestreets2339 Рік тому +1

    Somebody would have to pay me to go on vacation nowadays, no matter means of travel.

  • @Advent2k2
    @Advent2k2 Рік тому +1

    Not mention FedEx close call with southwest

  • @TM-nu5vd
    @TM-nu5vd Рік тому

    They need to lenghten that damn runway at OGG!

  • @mikelonna1
    @mikelonna1 Рік тому +1

    Aviate academy comes to mind.

  • @sonnyanthonyzabala680
    @sonnyanthonyzabala680 Рік тому +3

    In my opinion, AP should only be set on when you already reached the country's transition altitude and has cleared the country's departure air space.

    • @TW19567
      @TW19567 Рік тому

      And waste a load of fuel with the inefficiencies of human inputs to the controls. Automation can fly far more efficiently and safely than humans. That’s why the autopilot has to be engaged in RVSM airspace. Humans are too inaccurate to fly so close.

    • @sonnyanthonyzabala680
      @sonnyanthonyzabala680 Рік тому

      @@TW19567 While you are still in the departure range it is not always a standard flight path as originally planned. The departure control may direct you to a different bearing or altitude as needed depending on the air traffic and sometimes the weather or visibility is a problem as well. That's why until you have reached the transition altitude and cleared the last way point of departure I think it would still be in manual. That's normally about 15 to 20min and should be part of the calculated fuel consumption.

    • @airflo_muc
      @airflo_muc Рік тому

      And what would be the benefit of that procedure?

  • @mtcmax7612
    @mtcmax7612 Рік тому

    We’re is the music 🎵 I don’t complaining but get little confused about only 😂

  • @melvyncox3361
    @melvyncox3361 Рік тому

    Very close....

  • @robertkosko1317
    @robertkosko1317 Рік тому +1

    Was this the same day Hawaiian Airlines flight 35 suffered that severe air turbulence ?

  • @richardpearcy6149
    @richardpearcy6149 Рік тому

    At least it didn't hit the water

  • @NarutoHarryPotter
    @NarutoHarryPotter Рік тому +6

    Uhh, and I’m taking that exact same flight next month… it better not be that same exact aircraft 🤣

    • @danharold3087
      @danharold3087 Рік тому +9

      There is no indication that aircraft had anything to do with this.

    • @MarkUKInsects
      @MarkUKInsects Рік тому +1

      @@danharold3087 But maybe fly an airbus just in case ;-)

    • @TheCrashyBoi
      @TheCrashyBoi Рік тому +1

      @@MarkUKInsects won't do much of a difference at all

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Рік тому

      At least 90% of the time incidents like this have nothing to do with the aircraft itself.

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Рік тому

      @@MarkUKInsects well I guess you didn't hear about the Hawaiian airbus a330 incident where dozens of passengers were taken to hospital due to injuries a few months ago.
      If the weather is involved , it really doesn't matter the aircraft you fly in.

  • @Mmaulin12
    @Mmaulin12 Рік тому +2

    This is why I do not like flying over the Pacific nor do I like landing at DOH, HKG, BOS, or SFO

  • @chandrachurniyogi8394
    @chandrachurniyogi8394 Рік тому +2

    the full service carrier United seriously needs to retire it's aging fleet of B777-200 & B777-200 ER . . . replace such old airframes with B787-8 & B787-9 . . . or AIRBUS A330-900 Neo for that matter . . .

  • @hakimyasin9508
    @hakimyasin9508 Рік тому +2

    This is very disturbing, a Qatar Airways 777 suffered almost exactly the same thing right after take off from Doha, Qatar very recently. They also recovered and continued to Europe.

    • @qtr7
      @qtr7 Рік тому +1

      It was Qatar Airways 787-8 Doha to Copenhagen

    • @keyboard407
      @keyboard407 Рік тому +1

      Why did they continue i would rather descide to land it to nearby airport. I dont know how close was Europe to incident.

    • @qtr7
      @qtr7 Рік тому +2

      @@keyboard407 i guess they continued because it was a piloting error, it wasn't a technical issue. the pilot flying lost situational awareness and got disoriented

    • @asparkdeity8717
      @asparkdeity8717 11 місяців тому +1

      I think it was a 787, but still ridiculous as the pilots didn’t say a thing to their passengers after the incident and still carried on to their destination

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 Рік тому +2

    I wouldn't like to have been on that flight.

  • @chakraborty1989
    @chakraborty1989 Рік тому

    775 ? Blud that's a vertical descent planes cover in second

  • @ac6103
    @ac6103 Рік тому

    Might have fat fingered the weights and were heavier than what was inserted in flight computer. When flaps were retracted, the speeds and power were to slow and low for aircraft to continue flying and stalled. That’s my guess.

  • @JustJohn505
    @JustJohn505 Рік тому +1

    i didn't know there was a storm in the area. if that happened i would also have gotten away from it instead of going around and landing on that nightmare

    • @santagemma6212
      @santagemma6212 Рік тому

      Apparently airlines focus is profits, not so much safety.

  • @trainzandplanes522
    @trainzandplanes522 Рік тому

    Um, that would be scary. Banning External battery chargers was enough. And battery packs are essential for me as a transit and aviation enthusiast who has so many photos and videos on his phone, lol

  • @JohnnyChinch
    @JohnnyChinch Рік тому

    I’m curious to know why simple flying have not reported on the Qatar Airbus deal for over a week now?

  • @jet4926
    @jet4926 Рік тому

    Some kind of wind shear I guess ??

  • @davidkavanagh189
    @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому +1

    A lot of conflicting information on this one. The NTSB have opened and investigation so we'll know all about it in a few weeks.

  • @wadehiggins1114
    @wadehiggins1114 Рік тому +1

    Possible Microburst

  • @Rahul-zl8xj
    @Rahul-zl8xj Рік тому

    That plane climbed 32000 feet in 7 minutes? That's a rate of climb of 4500 fpm. Something tells me the data is off here

  • @mpetry912
    @mpetry912 Рік тому +2

    I'd bet they had the altitude select on the MCP set to "0000". If you engage autopilot with the altitude select set to 0000, guess what will happen.

    • @cjsims3000
      @cjsims3000 Рік тому

      Given that Altitude preselect is the issue. This sounds like a simple fix would be a software change so that something gets added to the pre takeoff checks to ensure AP altitude select is set to something other than 0. The AP wouldn’t engage if this condition existed.rather,the pilots would get the appropriate message to the above effect.

    • @mpetry912
      @mpetry912 Рік тому

      @@cjsims3000 sure. or lock out autopilot engage when altitude select is < 2000 ft above AGL read from the RADALT. Easy fix with no impact.

    • @calacurrather9994
      @calacurrather9994 Рік тому

      @@varunvarshney I agree. This must have been a case of severe downdraft.

  • @zunaidparker
    @zunaidparker Рік тому

    Not Simple Flying.

  • @nonsibisedipsi6812
    @nonsibisedipsi6812 Рік тому

    Micro burst????

  • @rickieg9870
    @rickieg9870 Рік тому +1

    Wow. Wonder if this is a byproduct of United outing new hires in wide-body’s…

  • @romangeber
    @romangeber Рік тому

    I hope the guitars are ok.

  • @nmis1912
    @nmis1912 Рік тому +3

    Wasn’t there a similar accident near Copenhagen with a Qartar Airways 787?

    • @AdvaitVaze
      @AdvaitVaze Рік тому +2

      Yep

    • @MarkUKInsects
      @MarkUKInsects Рік тому +2

      @@AdvaitVaze there have been multiple issues with grounded 787s waiting delivery. I struggle to believe that as least one of these issues don't effect 787s already flying.

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Рік тому

      @@MarkUKInsects the youtube experts at it again. Haha
      How you manage to connect the 2021 787 delivery halt, to a 9 year old aircraft Qatar airways received in 2014, is just beyond me. 😂😂

    • @MarkUKInsects
      @MarkUKInsects Рік тому

      @@mmm0404 If it beyond you then maybe you shouldn't be commenting on here either. Read up first

  • @philwang9878
    @philwang9878 Рік тому

    It's seem that all planes involvedwas Boeing

  • @Zeus_9137
    @Zeus_9137 Рік тому +1

    Didn't the same thing happen to qatar airways recently?

  • @sainnt
    @sainnt Рік тому +5

    I had a bad experience on a Boeing 707 many, many years ago. That flight was already at cruising altitude when it dropped several thousand feet before the pilot regained control of the aircraft. I can understand how the passengers on that United flight would have felt.

  • @stankythecat6735
    @stankythecat6735 Рік тому +2

    Why did it happen?

    • @davidkavanagh189
      @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому +1

      Because pilots make mistakes sometimes. They aren't super god-like creatures.

    • @stankythecat6735
      @stankythecat6735 Рік тому +2

      @@davidkavanagh189 meh…. Sounds like a micro burst. Control surface failed. I would prefer to know more than some corporate word salad

    • @davidkavanagh189
      @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому

      @@stankythecat6735 Near zero chance of that unless they reported it and nobody thought to mention it. There's no way a crew would fly through a weather event like that and not immediately report it to ATC, which would be the end of the whole mystery. The ADSB data says they dropped over 1000ft and gained 100kt in 10 or 12 seconds! That more or less equates to a zero G push over. So it's either a major loss of control or faulty ADSB data or a combination of the two. They NTSB are now investigating so we'll know all about it soon enough.

    • @stankythecat6735
      @stankythecat6735 Рік тому

      @@davidkavanagh189 thanks ! Seeing the visualization was horrific. Wonder if they hit 0 g?

    • @davidkavanagh189
      @davidkavanagh189 Рік тому +1

      @@stankythecat6735 I think it'll turn out to be a partial glitch in the ADSB data in terms of how rapid or gradual the descent was. I've read elsewhere from people on board that it was a relatively gentle descent. For sure it would be all over the news with pax complaining if it had been zero G for any length of time.

  • @danielmarcotorrente4437
    @danielmarcotorrente4437 Рік тому

    Seriously, what's going on with US airlines recently.?

  • @BigDaddyDD
    @BigDaddyDD Рік тому

    Mcas?

  • @aviationfascination
    @aviationfascination Рік тому +3

    Micro burst possibly?

    • @wadehiggins1114
      @wadehiggins1114 Рік тому

      Could be

    • @MarkUKInsects
      @MarkUKInsects Рік тому

      @@wadehiggins1114 not for that rate of fall from the height

    • @antonyh37
      @antonyh37 Рік тому +1

      Word around town is flaps remained at takeoff setting for longer than usual and the pilots lost situational awareness in the midst of the storm and the aircraft stalled hence the recommended extra training the pilots were given after the fact. Just speculation on the info heard.

  • @raflyadelia7610
    @raflyadelia7610 Рік тому

    Why us airlines retain their fleet age so old, it could be a safety concern
    Looks singapore or qatar they retain their fleet no more than 15 years

  • @prashantkashyap99
    @prashantkashyap99 Рік тому

    Airplane to Seaplane 😀🤣

  • @MarcusNesbitt4
    @MarcusNesbitt4 Рік тому +2

    What's more concerning is that this happened to a Qatar airways 787 just a couple of days ago as well. Seems like there's something going on at Boeing...

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Рік тому

      Pilot makes a serious error and now you want to blame Boeing for it.🤦
      Unless the pilot was a Boeing employee. Haha

    • @AT-nq6cu
      @AT-nq6cu Рік тому

      Boeing killed 346 people on 2 separate crashes involving the 737 MAX jet. The families of the victims didn't get any justice. The CEO walked away with millions of dollars instead of walking away in handcuffs.

  • @moreedcola6837
    @moreedcola6837 Рік тому +1

    That 777 really decided to become a 737 Max 8 for a second

  • @gregorytripp4052
    @gregorytripp4052 Рік тому

    So, the headline made it seem that this aircraft was way over the Pacific Ocean, sensationalizing the situation! Misleading headlines

  • @wendelbertvaleroligamzon532

    Similar incidents of QATAR B787 uncontrollable aircraft.. that's the BOEING TECHNOLOGY have.. this was happened on 2 Boeing B737-MAX's crashes..

    • @harshbayad7
      @harshbayad7 Рік тому

      the qatar 787 descended rapidly due to lack of situational awareness of the first officer, nothing to do with any of the aircraft bruh

    • @ethansaviation2672
      @ethansaviation2672 Рік тому

      What are you talking about?😂😂

  • @done-ahhh578
    @done-ahhh578 Рік тому

    Every one in the US is overworked and exhausted. Including pilots and air traffic controllers. It's going to take a disaster for anything to change as usual

  • @mcanning51
    @mcanning51 Рік тому

    Vaxident?

  • @kevina4140
    @kevina4140 Рік тому

    Pilot error

  • @joeneethling
    @joeneethling Рік тому

    Sorry but not enough pilot training causes
    A number of unnecessary "incidents".

  • @PavlosPapageorgiou
    @PavlosPapageorgiou Рік тому +2

    Flying is the safest form of travel, just about.

  • @RichardShelton
    @RichardShelton Рік тому

    So, no one what caused the incident? Additional training, my arse!

  • @digiviceking
    @digiviceking Рік тому

    FLIGHT CONTROL SYS

  • @sho1715
    @sho1715 Рік тому

    Another US incident…

  • @Mynckey
    @Mynckey Рік тому

    L united

  • @armedsage
    @armedsage Рік тому +1

    covid created a lot of rusty pilots

  • @Alb410
    @Alb410 Рік тому

    Probably a human who set the wrong altitude on autopilot instructions or something.

  • @Nicolas-zq7cl
    @Nicolas-zq7cl Рік тому

    first

    • @awatercolourist
      @awatercolourist Рік тому

      Wow! Someone new 😂 🎉. Nick and Heidi will not be happy 🤣. Speaking of which, where are they??

    • @awatercolourist
      @awatercolourist Рік тому

      No, wait, Nick and Heidi are on DJ’s channel. My bad!

    • @heidirabenau511
      @heidirabenau511 Рік тому

      @@awatercolourist and this channel.

    • @awatercolourist
      @awatercolourist Рік тому

      @@heidirabenau511 Hi Heidi! Good to see you here!

    • @miguelbarrero5572
      @miguelbarrero5572 Рік тому

      I'm second, ohhhhh noo never mind :(

  • @sax_cy
    @sax_cy Рік тому

    Here's the general advise....don't fly United!

  • @ccrp4788
    @ccrp4788 Рік тому +8

    Pete Buttigieg... America's Transportation Good Luck Charm

  • @Alex-lh6rz
    @Alex-lh6rz Рік тому

    Boeing again lol when I book my flight , I look for Airbus