1970 Challenger RT vs 1971 AMC Hornet SC 360 | PURE STOCK DRAG RACE
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2022
- 1970 Dodge Challenger RT drag racing 1971 AMC Hornet SC 360. pure stock muscle car drag race. factory stock drag race.
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I took my driver's test to get my license in an AMC hornet. They were good little cars.
I agree with you. I like the AMCs. Had a 68 javelin with the 232 straight 6. It obviously wasn't fast but back in the 90s got positive attention every place I went. The challenger was cool but that hornet was right on it. Great underdog car👍. I guess the sc360 was built to go up against the Nova and duster back in the day. You're video is five stars. Awesome job 👌
I'm really impressed by the Hornet and I'm a Mopar fanatic
Same here! I found a hornet for $500 it’s not an sc 360 but I’m gonna clone
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I put them in the category of cousins. AMC was the last one to the Muscle Car competition. The result was a block that had the same bore spacing as as a Mopar B-RB engine. The SS Rebel used the Mopar Big Blocks intake and exhaust valves. And if you lay a 440 intake pan together with an AMC pan the intake ports line up 100%. AMC did use a timing chain cover mounted oil pump, Ala Buick, but they put a lot of the best of everything into their engines!
most amc cars were kind of turd-ish, but the hornet was a good little car
kind of like the old chevy nova
That Challenger got faster with every pull. Love these Hornets though regardless, quite rare machines.
That mopar just kept getting faster and faster.. torque wins.
Truly like both cars, but have to cheer for the underdog here. That Hornet did well, and of course those 440s are awesome. Thank you as always ~ Chuck. P.S. Dam near spit my drink out with the Live Laugh Love joke - brilliant!
Give the Hornet credit, it definitely had some balls.
Great match. The challenger sure felt the sting of those matches ..thank you C..Z. another great video 2thumbs up.
Burnouts sounded like clips from the OG Mad Max movie. LMAO. That Horny was making the 440 earn it on this one. Thanks for the vid!!
Wow. I owned a 1970 440 Challenger RT/SE automatic. Great car. Thanks for posting rare and incredible AMC cars.
Had a hornet....3rd owner....rusted away....but dang the AC was super cold and still worked when it went to the junk man
My dad had a Hornet wagon, wood grain and all. Seems to me the max A/C setting said “Desert Use Only” or something like that! Had vacuum operated wipers which sucked (pun intended).
Man, great tight racing there!!! Great matchup!!
Wow I did not expect the Hornet to even hang. Never liked AMCs when I was in high school, but have some respect now. In about 1982 a 70s AMX caught fire and burned-up in front of my house weirdly enough.
I missed the first burnout in this video because I was looking at the gal in the shorts haha!
Dang it. Now I've got to watch it again. My radar must be shorting out in my old age. I usually don't miss chics in shorts.
Good example of weight advantage and HP advantage. With similar reaction times, the Hornet jumps ahead at the launch due to it's lighter weight. The Challenger's 440 with big HP overcomes the air resistance at high speed and pulls ahead. The overall races were very close, and this was a great matchup.
Those SC-360 AMC Hornets are the TIT'S! Thanks for showing them some well deserved love my friend, Semper Fidelis.
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Saw a lot of hornets back then. Even had a friend with a green six cylinder and he loved it. Notice I said he because friends opinions differ. Out of all those cars over all those years I never saw one with a 360. Rare and cool. Bet there aren't that many in this kind of shape either.
I have my dad's SC 360 he handed down to me. There were only 784 made and I have one of em
@@Sumner1028 well damn that's pretty rare. So cool, great some do still exist because I bet it's not many now. Probably a lot more rare than originally built. Must be a hoot to drive
@@plap. There is a registry for these cars and 129 are known to exist. Yes it's a hoot to drive alright. My dad turned it into a dragcar and I tried talking him out of pulling the interior and such. He didn't listen but now he wishes he did. The car is at my cousin's, so at least I know she is out of the elements. My dad's was actually this same blue and all of that. It's an automatic from the factory. Column shift. The car went 11s being AMC powered. Putting anything else in it would be blasphemy
@@Sumner1028 completely agree and 11s are nothing to sneeze at. I would even do some digging for interior stuff because the way things are going any car this rare and cool will always be loved. Its not always the most popular stuff that is a jem as time goes by. Part of why I like this channel is seeing some of the crazy stuff run. Reliving the past is more fun than what is happening in our future. no electric bs will get this kind of love
@@plap. Brother at least you like it. What's sad is that in mint condition these cars go for 20grand. That's it. Which is fine but what a ridiculous price. AMC dared to be different and in doing so created a real cool car. I raced it and it was a blast having the mph of a low 11 high ten sec car while only running 11.50. My uncle built a awesome motor. It was all in the head work he did
That challenger is impressive because of it's weight
I love seeing cars like the hornet I had completely forgotten about.
Great race! Glad to see the humor working it’s way back in there! Keep ‘em coming!
Awesome C&Z《☆》Challenger R/T mint green is sweet👍🔥🔊007 Bond Movie producers picked a 1974 AMC Hornet with a 6 cylinder engine to make the Corkscrew jump in the movie Man with the Golden Gun🖖😎☮
Pretty sure it was an AMC Matador in that famous stunt in TMWTGG movie. Edit: I checked, it was a Hornet. My memory failed on this one.
@@gavinmclaren9416 《☆》Actually both were in the movie but the Hornet was the one set up to do the corkscrew jump🖖😎☮
I get a kick out of the way you narrate when speaking of the cars and what equipment that they have in them.
Funny stuff.
Also, y’all have some very nice cars up there.
Keep your videos coming.
Great Job!!
The 360 looks like it can punch above it's weight class,
And that little Hornet is LIGHT....Cool car.
@@gt-37guy6 Far less engine than the MOPAR.
It was the early 1980s and my friend and I drove his '71 Duster to Great Lakes Dragaway to do some draggin'. It ran steady 13.60s. There was a guy with a Hornet there with a 3 speed stick. It was his first time at the track. The car was nothing special at all- just a typical beater, basically... except it ran in the 12s! Even the owner was completely surprised.
That Challeger is making some good hp to run 109 mph at that weight 😳
Challenger top ends the AMC 2 out of 3 times but that AMC is an ultimate sleeper
Former (and Future) Javelin Owner here.
Does my underdog heart good to see a Brother AMC doing that well against a Big Three competitor..
Missed an opportunity last year on a 4-door Hornet with a warmed up Dual Quad 390 with Auto Trans.
Sleeper material if ever there was sleeper material...
Both car are awesome super clean and fast consistent 13s that's great. I really love the hornet very cool car very rare 360 4 barrel posi and a 4 speed appsolutey love it. Great video thank you. 😊
Great video sir!!!!
I like the sassy back in the channel.
Awesome , Thanks C&Z 😊
I thought that little hornet would have a slight advantage because of the weight difference. Good racing though.
Those AMC's were terribly underrated
The AMC cars were rarely seen but much respect to these guys... styling left a little too be desired
Great cars!
Great racing!
My only regret with this channel is i didnt find it sooner
I always wanted a '71 SC 360 like this, but back in high school in the early 80's I had two '77 Hornet AMX's. Both were in Sunshine Yellow, black interiors, with the standard 258 2V, with automatics. The AMX package came standard with a 258 2V, close ratio 4-speed, a limited slip rear, and heavy duty suspension with handling package. My first one had a shift kit, and that Mopar 904 trans wouldn't shift out of 2nd until you let up on the pedal at around 80 mph when the engine sounded like it was about to blow. I raced a guy in a new '83 Trans Am with the 305 4-barrel HO, and beat him by 2 car lengths, 3 times in a row. He wanted to know what I had under the hood, and didn't believe me when I told him it was a stock 6-cylinder. I always wanted to build my 2nd one into what they should've made. A 360 4-barrel, 4-speed, using an original '77 360 4-barrel from a Matador cop car. I miss those cars, they were rare unique looking cars, and my 2 were the only ones around my area. 🧏♂️
"It's an amc...from 1971...who caaares"
Exactly what my family thought when I started working on a 1970 AMC Ambassador. Great project to start with, vinyl top is still in good shape and so is the body (which is pretty rare out here in Nebraska)
Funny enough it's got a 360 as well. Factory 4 barrel as well. Most of my family owns Chevy small block 350 powered stuff, so it's kinda neat to have something different (if a bit of a pain when I need to find parts) Hoping it's gonna be a nice big boat for cruising once I'm done.
For what it was, that Hornet was a haulin'!
I'm a Mopar man and of course I love those 440s but damn I love that AMC too! I've never seen one of those SC 360 Hornets. What a beautiful car!!! I'd love to own either one.
Got an SC 360 for sale. It's a drag car but a true SC 360 car. Runs 11.50 AMC powered
Very nice! Both so cool and I would take either one. Mopar's and AMC's rule in my opinion.
Thanks for the memories!!
this is the greatest duell ever !
two awesome cars.
i love these green challenger !!
Cool and rare car. Almost never seen anywhere. That Hornet was impressive.
My family had several AMC's good running cars.
I had no idea these hornets could be spicy dang!
Thanks for sharing this. 2 great cars, their history and 3 great race rounds. Great to see!
Respectable Rambler! Mopar went to work...good horses 🐎
Kevin Rice is a great 👍 Man of Genius.
A lot of commenters are down on the looks of this Hornet. I love it! I think this is the best looking AMC I've ever seen...and that includes the Javelin and the AMX!!! Beautiful car imo.
For 80 cubes less that Hornet was close every time. Learned how to drive stick in a ‘74 Gremlin with a 232 and a T96 3 spd.
It was a 73 x package 232 and 3 spd I miss that car!
I love AMC's and Challengers! Great vid!
Growing up in my hometown just outside Kenosha there was a guy who had a hornet SC, and trust me you got respect
That 3 run was a race bud! Nice to see a plain 440 on the track. Ever get any 383 action?
Goodday C & Z,
Fantastic racing hands down, Suprised how quick the Challenger was considering the weight of it.
Any Oldsmobile coming up soon ?
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I'm always surprised at what E-bodies weigh. That's within a few hundred pounds of a modern Charger/Challenger, with all of their electronics, airbags, door beams, and everything else. Where did all the weight come from? I know a big-block Chrysler with iron heads is a CHAWNK, but what else?
Dana 60 for one thing it is at about 400lbs. For perspective a Ford 9in is 300lbs and a Chevy 12 bolt is around 200lbs
@@plap. That is a thing I often forget. Even at that, though, the entire drivetrain is what, 1200 pounds? I guess they're a fairly long and wide car, and a bit more about style than, say, a Roadrunner.
Nice one !
Seriously love these videos. Your commentary and jokes honestly make it so much more entertaining. Never change C&Z.
Great video. That Hornet is a pretty good looking car.
A👍 up to both driver's running that good with standards, today's youth couldn't drive these cars 😂
Stick is the newest anti theft device you can get
Never saw one. Glad you show us these rare muscle cars.
Some great racing 🏎
That little 360 sure held it's own against that 440.
Lmao the first 14 seconds. Good video, keep the humor up love it
Well I care too! I have always owned Mopars, but I like the little AMC’s that could. I think I can, I think I can.
Good race
I look forward to getting my muscle car fix on top of the legendary narrating! Always a good laugh and great races
Love it!
Damn, way closer than I thought.
AMC did a Great Job, You have to Give it Credit.
Got myself a 74 javelin amx and a 71 gremlin X, love a good hornet
The 440s torque overcame the weight disadvantage but give the Hornet credit with giving up 80 cubic inches and only 8.5 compression as well was very respectful it just ran out of steam with 4.10 gears probably would be a little quicker with 3.90 gears. I just built a 360 for my AMC Spirit drag car and it makes 400 hp with a small cam and the Spirit weighs 2300lbs and will run low 11s with 3.70 gears
AMC V-8s use the same 906 sized lifters as the Mopar engines do so the cams they both can run can have faster ramp speeds than other engines from GM and Ford . For big block Chrysler engines the faster the ramp speed and providing the cam is what's called a 80% duration cam it's actual duration is 80%of it's advertised duration so it has a fast ramp speed and the faster the ramp speeds are the more power the big block Chrysler engines makes . This was kept a secret for many years with the Mopar racers that knew this and it gave them an advantage over the GM and Ford guys but they eventually found out about this and now you have Chevrolet and Ford guys that are taking their engine blocks in and are having the lifter bores opened up and sleeved for larger lifters to take advantage of the faster ramp speeds on custom ground cams for those engines .
Brother I have so many secrets to make your car go faster. My hornet goes 11.50 with a 360. You wouldn't believe what's in it. My motor in your car with 411 gears would run high 10s easy. Hit me up. My uncle still has the blueprints of what we call the son of a whore motor because the motor inside has a lot of shall we say a lot of fathers.
I heard one of the major Model Kit companies is coming out with a kit of the 71 Hornet SC/360... Needless to say it's on my wish list!!
where did you hear that? Been waiting for that kit for awhile now.
@@franktalan5441 I think Revel was making them back in the day so look to see what they offer . I would check eBay and Hobbie lobby because they often carry some of these old re popped model kits like the visible V-8 if you remember those .
Damn, I bought a little ‘68 Hornet back in ‘88. Paid $650. It was a 258(?) inline six w/ a 3 on the tree. That little car did unreal burnouts - people always freaked when I popped the hood. Car only had 58k on the clock. I loved that car, but my wife (ex now) made me sell it. Sure wish I had kept it - it drove so nice, & had unreal power for a six.
3200 with driver 390 lbs of torque. 13s makes sense to me!
Challenger was sandbagging first run! Both cars are too cool. Good to see them getting driven & not in the garage rotting away
Man these weird little AMC's are some of my favorite cars. It's a shame all the really cool ones like this are so rare.
The 70 Challenger RT Convertible kit is on my wish list too . Might be a "Challenge" to locate one since it's an older kit..
If the Challenger could get more traction it would be in the 12's easy. The driver did an excellent job with the tires he had.
This car is blessed, it wasn't chopped into becoming a Gremlin - whew.
I might be misremembering but I recall a hornet with a 401 big block.., never was beaten on the street....
AMC never had a big block. The 1970 and up Gen 3 engines, the 304,360,390,401 were all the same blocks, as were the ones before 1970 (Gen 1,2).The 360 was made all the way to 1991,5 years after AMC was killed off by Chrysler, it was put in the Grand Wagoneer..it wasnt the Chrysler 360
@@netrioter I called my friend,said it's a gremlin with a 401.
@@netrioter the 401 is Amc's big block
@@dodgesportsman772 a 401 will bolt right in, in place of a 304, the only V8 that came in Gremlins. The blocks are the same size externally, internally, larger bore and stroke, and 390 and 401 had forged cranks, and rods. 360 - 401 also had bigger valves. Due to internal strength, in the blocks, and heavier cranks, a 401 is about 100 pounds heavier than a 304. You're welcome!
@@ramblerdave1339 thx... But his is all original with the 401. Has original build sheet... It's a rare one I guess. But I don't know that much about AMC, I'm a Mopar man myself. Although I do own a javalin
I had friend with a Penske prepped SC360. This car at Irwindale did a 13.35 at 105.
I have a 1975 Hornet 2 door fastback setting in the garage right now....my project car.
I'd rather have the 71 lime green gsx the rolled by at 0.15. Gorgeous and rare!!!!
The challenger is ready to go 12s!
Big blocks pull hard at the shift.
Torques, baby!
Very view SC 360 Hornets around, I've seen a few at the AMC nationals, Cordova Dragway in Illinois.
Great matchup! The Hornet was nothing to look at...but better than the Gremlins and Pacers, lol! The AMX and Javelins were cool, though. I was really shocked by the weight of these cars...a very entertaining race!
I've noticed that most all the cars you show that start in the left lane wins
I have to say the Hornet was pretty impressive considering it was giving up 80 cubes and a significant amount of HP and Torque to the challenger.
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I would have guessed the Challenger to win, that said, surprised by Hornets performance.
Hornet definitely held its ground. Even with a 4spd it ran very consistant, and impressive times. Not too shabby AMC.
The S/C is pretty low key compared to some AMC’s from just before, like the Rebel Machine and the SCrambler. A sleepy look gets more street action.
An ex-girlfriend had a Hornet. She called it the "Horny".😉
was the 360 an option for the gremlin-X ? the short brother from the hornet .
I'm impressed by the AMC price! Ida paid today's money for a new one! There has to be a catch unreliability? Expensive dealer fees back then?
It takes the stepchild to almost beat a mopar
Dang, I was really pulling for the Hornet.
Hobart W, IMHO, this was a total mismatch race favoring the MOPAR.
Love the hornet.....had a 4dr piecer ....rusted away tho....
Remind me likens for a P76 318.
My dad has a 1973 grain Torino sport fast back
AMC cars are a love / hate thing.
Most people hate 'em, but some things are just so ugly you gotta' love 'em....lol.
Gremlin X for instance.
That Hornet is a sharp looking little car.
Personally, I'd take the big block Challenger.
Mopar, baby! But really good race! I wouldn’t mind having one of those hornets… an AMC Hornet…not a Dodge hornet!
109? huh?