THE OG LORD OF THE RINGS TRILOGY: THEY DON'T MAKE 'EM LIKE THAT ANYMORE | Film Threat Rants
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Chris Gore and Alan Ng rant about the current state of "The Lord of the Rings" while raving about the original trilogy and its theatrical rerelease as a marathon.
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What does that say Alan’s teenage daughter enjoyed an 11-hour screening so much that she wanted to see it again? It is sad that such a great cinematic achievement is highly unlikely to ever be replicated.
Lord of the Rings is an example of how good movies can be, Its a tale thats portrayed so good most people will be thinking about it for their whole lives
We no longer have the ties to Benn Hurr or Lawrence of Arabia... Those films were several generations ago that the initial release and impact have been lost compared to the modern films that still exist in our living memory... And FT is right, they don't make them like this anymore... Case in point, The Hobbit. The studio rushed development of that film and Peter Jackson could have either stepped away and let someone else direct... or stay aboard with the team that brought us LOTR... The only thing he didn't have through studio meddling was time to develop a Hobbit script.
@@davfree9732 I''ve got some big entries in my 'still must watch' movie viewing list - these two titles are on it, but even having not seen them, I am aware of the significance of these titles. These and films like it deserve to be remembered so I will honour them by watching them (and soon I hope). 👍☺️
@@davfree9732 I''ve got some big entries in my 'still must watch' movie viewing list - these two titles are on it, but even having not seen them, I am aware of the significance of these titles. These and films like it deserve to be remembered so I will honour them by watching them (and soon I hope). 👍☺️
@@davfree9732 LOTR like GOT was great when the director and team stuck to the book and tried to bring it to life. The Hobbit worked in the first movie as it mostly stuck to the book. But turning that into three movies was a massive mistake. Too much inventing of story lines that did not belong and detracted from the actual story being told.
Like GOT season 8 the Hobbit just fell apart when Hollywood writers took over. It felt rushed, plot holes emerged, the GOT as written by screenwriters probably never could have landed an ending with all the buildup for six seasons. Tolkien spent a lifetime fine tuning his books and Martin will spend a century finishing his books😉. Hollywood spent a few weeks, maybe months in comparison.
@@Alopen-xb1rb True. But unlike GOT seasons 7-8, a few fan edits have saved The Hobbit. The M4 Hobbit Book Edit is a superb single-film version of the trilogy, and I can't recommend it enough.
Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies are peak cinema. Nothing will ever top them. The greatest story in the world, converted to the medium of film in the best way possible. Fight me :)
Not even just the greatest story, but the greatest writing. I remember first reading the books as a kid, and I was IN the world as I read. Just the descriptions of things and people was sublime. I wanted to be a writer afterwards, I wanted to put words down and say something. I was so inspired.
Ok, some of the shots are weird and don't mesh well with the next shot and the movies are too short.
Back to the future, Jurassic Park and Field of Dreams are dame near-perfect films, but, I would put Lord of the Rings in place of the latter movie because it is great.
Sorry, I'm not really picking a fight, Im just a big fan of movies and I miss the movie fights me and my friends had back in film school 😅
@@tenkenfilm6280Back of the future is narrative pace perfection.
Here in Greece, movie theaters are 30-40% capacity AT BEST on most new movies. Every time (and that's like twice every year) that they put on the LoTR extended trilogy, they are sold out like 2-3weeks in advance. People would rather pay money to watch a movie they have watched literaly 20 times before and could watch at home for free, than pay to watch a new movie. That says A LOT about the quality of new movies compaired to 20-30 years ago.
I'm the same as Chris. The movies made me a fan.
Greatest trilogy ever filmed. ❤
The Lord of the Rings really came out right at the beginning of the New Millennium and set the bar so high that basically nothing has touched it since.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy was a work of passion, The Hobbit trilogy was a work of money.
True. Also The Lord of the Rings was condensed from 6 adult books in 3 volumes to the trilogy. The Hobbit was 1 children's book blown up into 3 movies.
@@thomasburt4422 I actually much prefer the Rankin/Bass Hobbit animated movie to the P.J. Hobbit trilogy, in large part to the added bloat in the movies. I rewatch the LotR trilogy regularly, but have yet to rewatch the Hobbit trilogy.
@@randygiles845 You should watch the M4 Hobbit Book Edit if you want a great version of the Hobbit trilogy. The lead editor, M4, teamed up with talented digital editors to make a single film version of the trilogy. They desaturated, removed the glossy overlay, corrected the color grading, digitally omitted characters, and added film grain to make this version match the appearance of the LOTR trilogy! And they cut out all the excess stuff that wasn't in the original book. It corrects 90% of the problems of The Hobbit. This M4 fan edit transitions seamlessly and is more faithful to the spirit of J.R.R. Tolkien. It's how I start my Middle-Earth marathon with my family, and I highly recommend it!
Well Jackson and his team had a deep respect for the World Tolkien created and his values.
I think I first read the books about 1978, when I was 12. My sister who is 6 years older was reading them and I had actually studied The Hobbit in English class in 4th class, 1977. I was hooked. The writing is exquisite, the descriptions of people, and the world and themes have never been surpassed. You disappear into them, literally. The words are masterful. I never thought in my wildest dreams that anyone would be able to capture the words in a movie. But Peter Jackson and his brilliant team of masterful people did. I walked out of the theatre after seeing The Fellowship of the Ring in tears. It was so moving. I'm tearing up now typing this. The respect they paid to the source material, the dedication and hard work of the actors and skilled artisans that created it, the amount of sheer LOVE they poured into it was overwhelming. It will never be surpassed.
I'm glad X-Ray Girl has finally seen them!
Peter Jackson’s LOTR trilogy is basically what got me into Tolkien’s universe. Lol
Over 20 years old.... Where did all that time disappear to :/
It was good to have you back Alan was like Siskel without Ebert
"All the great movies were made before 2016", never a truer word spoken EDIT: and in fact this is the exact time I left the acting profession.
I would like to hear more!
Nailed It!! Last movie I (experienced). Was ironically disneys John Carter. Great last movie. The last hot princess too haha
They still make great movies. This is only a true statement if you literally only watch Star Wars and marvel
@@DONWASABIJUANdebatable but yes there are still good movies from time to time
I think it's a bit silly exaggeration. But I have to admit, the movies I looked up to post as examples turned out to be older than 10 years.
Once a year I watch the Lord of the Rings extended editions on DVD. I never get tired of it.
Watching the Hobbit...A masterpiece compared to Disney productions today.
Unironically the hours of behind the scenes footage and special extra features (shout out to RMB!) should be mandatory study material in all film schools
I’m doing the same thing this weekend with my daughter. We’ve both seen Lord of the Rings and my daughter is 30 years old but she knows it’s something we both love. So she’s treating me for Father’s Day weekend. We saw the fellowship yesterday and were seeing the two towers today and RotK tomorrow. Hearing all the sniffling in the theater during Boromir’s death and when Sam tells Frodo he’s coming with him made it even more powerful.
Alan made my day. I’ve been an LOTR fan since 1984- ish. When I saw the films for the first time in theaters, I felt like a miracle happened in cinema.
I worked at a movie theater for my first job from 2000-2006. That was thee best time to be a movie fan.
We have no one to blame but ourselves. When we support and praise “prestige” television and film that is full of pessimistic, uninspiring, and nihilistic characters like Walter White, Tony Soprano, Don Draper, or any character from The Boys or The Walking Dead , of course studios and networks will respond and make more. They’re giving what the people want. They don’t want heroes to inspire or aspire to. They want characters as miserable and cynical as they are.
LOTR may or may not be the greatest trilogy ever, but it's absolutely the greatest cinematic achievement in film history
Well I can watch the three og star wars movies back to back no issue. I struggle with LOTR back to back...I'm so bored by the third
@@mikeball5960 Good for you I guess. Nothing in art is 100% universal. That's why I said it's the greatest achievement, not necessarily greatest trilogy as that's more subjective.
it's like recognising the achievement of the Egyptian Pyramides or the Great Wall of China even though you might not be the biggest fan of ancient architecture.
And all done by an effective cottage industry in NZ.
Excuse me? What trilogy tops it? It IS the greatest trilogy EVER. PERIOD.
This is some high quality nerds nerding out conversation.
Clear Factual Conversation 💯
Many things that once were are lost.
I'm not just talking about films but hole world in general , we live in a dark dark Era ! What happened ?!
Awesome! I got the extended editions on Blu Ray recently. Cant wait to rewatch it again later this year for December time.
I went and saw them in the theater as well. The best trilogy of all time. I've seen them dozens of times and could watch them dozens more.
One of my favorite parts about the first film was how everyone watched each other regarding the temptation of the ring, shown when Boromir almost messed up.
Subtext is a lost art today… watch the first 15 minutes of pirates of the Caribbean for some brilliant examples 👍🏻❤️🥃🇺🇸
That first Pirates film is so well written, especially considering what low expectations there were when it was released. Plot, setup, and character pacing was really beautifully balanced (all the mirrored personalities!) and still had the best version of Jack Sparrow.
I’d rather listen to the two towers soundtrack than watch the entire Rings of Power show lol
I wish Jackson and his entire team had been unleashed on The Wheel of Time book series.
I agree
I was in my early 20's when the fellowship came out and I didn't know much about the lord of the rings. I grew up a big movie fan but I had never been blown away by a movie like I was by the lord of the rings. Amazing.
I tear up every time I see the scene of Aragorn and all of Gondor kneeling to the Hobbits. Its the result of three films worth of heroics. I cant imagine being as emotional for anything new coming out now. I hope we can art like this again in the future.
I'm seeing all 3 of the movies in a row, at a local cinema next month. Never seen them before. Looking forward to it alot.
Good luck getting thru the third 😴
Yes!! Hope you enjoy!!
@@mikeball5960
I don't remember it being boring.
I think that a lot of writers today use so much inane dialogue because they expect the audience to have their head buried in their smartphone. If you are looking at your phone, so much visual information is lost and has to be filled in with people sitting around a table talking about what just happened. This is definitely an indictment of the writers for not telling a story that engages the audience and forces us to stay focused on what is happening.
What great content to cover here these movies are simply the best. I recently did the same thing. I watched all the extended cuts on 4K with my son and he absolutely loved it. He’s 23 years old now he’s going out and buying shirts and miniatures and all kinds of stuff. Hope these movies live on forever.
I did the same thing with my kid. It was nice seeing the theatrical version again. We've been watching the extended version for 20 years!
I hadn’t been to the theatre in over a year but went to see The 2 Towers extended edition and was once again blown away. I would pay to rewatch the whole trilogy 10 times over before ever catching an episode of season 2 of rings of power. That first season hurt.
I love that other people see what I see in the LOTR Trilogy. I watch it every year around Christmas (ONLY the extended versions) and it never stops being the most rewarding entertainment experience any film has ever delivered. Much like Alan, I also consider it to be one film and that film is a masterpiece.
My friends, you bow to no one.
The smallest among us can change the world through courage, friendship, and loyalty to hope.
The Lord of the rings books are one book not three books. Tolkien's publisher did not want to release a huge tome and thought it would sell better in three separate books.
This is why the Lord of the rings trilogy by Peter Jackson is a good trilogy. It is really only one cohesive story.
I'm 25 and saw this trilogy for the first time last weekend. I'm glad that i did that. I agree that it is not a movie, but 1 movie split into 3 parts. A beginning, middle and an end
I watched the trilogy in theaters recently over the course of three days. Every time, we had a full theater except the very front 3 or four rows that are close to the screen.
It was cool to see a theater so full for once.
I watched Conan the Barbarian in 1985 and still do this day there are themes or concepts that I still pickup on all these years later
Yes Sam's speech at the end of the Two Towers makes you want to cry, but in a good way.
Excellent conversation.
My AP English class literally had us due papers on the differences between the book and the movies and all the themes associated with it. That's how good the movie was
I watched the Extended Trilogy for the first time in 2022 & I was SHOCKED at how much I enjoyed it. I’ve been obsessed ever since 💍🌋🎬
I think back to the future is definitely in the top 5 best trilogies as well!!!
So many popular books have become like this too, spelling out every thought is exhausting to read.
The Lord of the Rings extended editions are an annual watch for me. However I can watch it, streaming, theatrical, my old DVD collection, I will be there to watch it once a year until the end of my days. I saw the first two on the first weekend and will see The Return of the King on the 25th.
But it doesn't have angry girl bosses who are better than everyone or sad broken heroes who don't get redeemed....aka for modern audiences
It plays with that with Liv Tyler's more central Arwen, but there's plenty else to balance that out.
My favorite films of all time! Best adaptation of tolkien's work to date.
Alan is right starting around 5:44 about how modern TV/film writers are missing a vital part of the picture "they feel like the words are so important". Words are indeed important but what's the idea they're conveying? What's the subtext? A similar problem is in literature where writers focus so much on prose but are weak on the context. So their prose is nice and flowery but the writing ultimately says very little.
The reason why work such as Tolkien's stand the test of time isn't that they're technically perfect (LotR is full of things to nitpick) but it's that it taps into a mythological framework that resonates with humans. The same goes for the SW OT. The journey that characters undergo, their "arc", is what is compelling. Too many stories are about "What is happening." more than "Why is this happening?".
Boromir getting a hundred arrows from the Orcs while protecting the Hobbits gets me all the time.
Wild they are all over 20 years old now. Doesn't seem right
There are only five words to describe this trilogy: "You bow to no one."
LOTR trilogy and of course the original books are such amazing art. That Sam scene and many others stuck with me my entire life. They still tear me up when I watch them. Everything is perfect from the story, casting, acting, music. Its beautiful. It wasn't designed to be time filling content, it was there to tell a good story, with things you can take away from and apply in real life, make you think, make you appreciate life and the human condition. Its in a league of its own IMO.
My personal favorites that standout to me would be the Sam scene of course, but also the scene where Gandalf is talking with Frodo about Gollum, Frodo starts judging him and wishing he was dead, Gandalf tells him not to judge and "Even the very wise cannot see all ends". Its just a beautiful scene written and acted so well, with things you can take away with your own life. Values and morals and critical thinking. Just a beautiful thing...
I wish they would have just done a full release and let it go for a while so I can plan to go see them
I would go to see it if I didn't have them on DVD already and the only theater is 1 hour away... great discussion. When I was little I read the hobbit and fellowship of the ring. I then went to see the first film with my dad. I was blown away how accurate it was to the books with lines and people changed here and here of course, but it didn't change the tone or derail the direction of the film.
It is the greatest movie ever made.
...3 of my All Time Favorite Movies...
"STAR WARS"
(George Lucas)
"THE HOBBIT"
(Arthur Rankin Jr.
& Jules Bass)
"WIZARDS"
(Ralph Bakshi)
...& All from 1977...
👽 🖖 🤖
...(ALOT of Great Movies came out in 1977!!!)
i try and watch all 6 every Christmas
I saw Return of the King last Monday. Amazing films! Sam is the hero. Frodo is the martyr.
I saw LotR in theatres last weekend too! It was brilliant!
Edit; my yheatre was originally only doing one screening and i wasn't going to ba able to make the time but then they opened a second screening a half hour later. I made that one. And even better, after i got there i saw that there was a third screening half an hour after that. I can't say that evey theatre was completely sold out but i know they where all pretty full. And I think they are doing it again, if not this weekend then next weekend.
They have on Amazon.
Perfect trilogie...for sure❤
It was so wonderful to experience all three in the theater again. I will say for a return of the king my showing was full of women like me. I think women outnumbered men. I wish I had the funds to do it all again this weekend. But last month I bought tickets for a showing of Indiana Jones an and the last Crusade at Alamo Drafthouse. I was #4 of 5 kids so it was rare Daddy took just me to a movie. But he did take just me to see it. I was 11. Im going in his memory. Imagine my excitement when I realized it’s actually on Father’s Day!
Yeah I worry for it too much. I'm sure we will see other movies like that in our lifetimes. Also, we have Frieren.
You used to connect to good/great movies.
Now, they can’t make you connect because they are trying to hard to have you identify yourself in them.
How far into the past do you have to go too your favourite game or a movie?
I am looking at you DUNE PART 2: there was NO NEED to change the story to scream a message to me!. LOTR will ever be perfection.
Now is temporary. This too shall pass.
"The grey rain curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver screen." -- Frankgore the White
A few good movies were made after 2016 like Ford v Ferrari
Star Trek 2 is my favourite movie.
Over 3 days? I did that trilogy in one day when Return of the King was released. Alan, you need to up your game 😅
Thank goodness we got these films when we did. If they were made today they’d be a trainwreck of diversity checkbox-ticking, chock full of snarky revisions to the source material, and primarily focused on crapping on masculinity and Western civilization writ large.
Does it piss anyone else off how 3hr movies don't have intermissions anymore?! I mean it should be criminal, and why I don't like going to the movies anymore. Movies get longer and longer, and no intermissions!
You pay all that money, and you are guaranteed to have to miss 8mins of it walking to the restroom
I love the _Star Wars_ OT, with the first and second movie being the high points. However, Jackson’s original and extended cuts of _Lord of the Rings_ are superior.
I would be okay if they had gone back and reskinned some of the CGI buildings and things as really the biggest flaw in the Lord of the Rings is the dated CGI.
68 years old here . IMO the LOTR trilogy is the finest series of movies ever. I don't think it will be repeated due to the lack of talent in Hollywood generally.
FTFY: "Today's movies" (from Hollywood) minus one: Godzilla Minus One. There is hope out there.
Watch Frieren. Anime is where the great storytelling is now at. Same vibes as LotR.
Chris has such a killer hairline especially for his age.
The best movie trilogy is Back to the Future.
Fantastic movies. And extras in EE edition, best ones I have ever seen 👍 Such a shame they F' up Hobbit- trilogy.
Check out the M4 Hobbit Book Edit if you want a great version of the trilogy. It's what the Hobbit trilogy should have been!
There aren't too many beyond 2016 but there are certainly a few greats that came out after that year so Alan's statement is incorrect for me at least.
I did not like the movies. I was a book snob and most of the dialogue is altered from the book. Sam's speech included. And _how_ are they so clean? How is Sam so portly on a, 'Light tooth'? I'm less pedantic these days, the films are quite something. But no Bombadil? Unforgivable!
Chris fell into the Sun
We took the LOTR trilogy for granted.
meh. I saw the first LotR in theaters and didn't care for it. Why? Because I didn't understand it. I later read the books and really enjoyed the story. Only after that was I able to really enjoy the movies.
AMC A-list won’t pay for the LOTR movies. Total bullshit.
“All the great movies were made before 2016” Did you not watch Dune 2? The greatest sci-fi film ever made?
„Today’s movies are nihilistic.“ YES! That’s exactly the reason why I don’t go to the cinema anymore. I hate modern Hollywood for it’s nihilism.
LOTR is perfect, it is the greatest and it's indisputable. I'm a bigger star wars fan because that's what I grew up with but LOTR is objectively better in every way.
You should clarify that you are talking about nihilism in entertainment film. Nihilism has been a facet of a lot of cinema since day 1.
True, it was quite an age. If they would make the trilogy these days, well.. it would be burned down due to leaking out that Frodo now was a black trans lesbian. Because, DEI requirements. Not to mention, the writers would sneak in a lot of MODERN STUFF. In a classic old book tale, thanks... yeah. A lot of what LOTR is would be unrecognizable once the MODERN take got over it.
Hell, I am sure they would find a way to make The Orcs and SAURON not PURE evil but.. you know.. they were hurt too. Aka GREY morality.
In a story which is very Black and White!
Is Alan's daughter blind? How could she possibly have related to the LOTR characters not being a Middle Earth Hobbit herself?
I agree with them, but it has to be said that there are still a few great movies being made. They are just few and far between. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, 1917, Deadpool, Hereditary, Dune 1 & 2, Blade Runner 2049, Avengers: Endgame-Infinity War, The Batman, Logan, Get Out, Joker, Hacksaw Ridge, Dunkirk, Tenet, Rogue One, The Northman, Lighthouse, Annihilation and lets not forget Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker...sorry, just threw that in as a joke.
Now you may love or hate some of these but they arent "bad" films. I just wish there more of them. ;)