Why I use dilutions & how to increase perfume concentration

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  • Опубліковано 27 гру 2024

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  • @glitznglitter1000
    @glitznglitter1000 10 місяців тому +27

    This video couldn’t have come at a better time!

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +5

      Seems a lot of people had this question after all

    • @dutifulindian
      @dutifulindian 8 місяців тому

      I was just about to post a question on this. This was the need of the hour 👍😊

  • @miseeire8832
    @miseeire8832 10 місяців тому +6

    Absolute legend, Thanks for this. Took a while to learn some of the functions of Excel, but have a cool little scaler spreadsheet. Much appreciated

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad it helped

  • @sevenseen
    @sevenseen 9 місяців тому +3

    do you have an online course that can be purchased? i love the way you have presented the many notes of the whole of perfumery, from the molecular structures to the patient processing of smelling to the careful composition of a personal accord, and on and on and on. it doesn't hurt that your voice is lovely on the ear. hope this comment finds you well! thank you for sharing all your knowledge!

  • @madscientrix
    @madscientrix 10 місяців тому +4

    Can’t believe this came out today. Was working through dilutions of Cashmeran yesterday and musk blew up my lab. In my head I was like, gosh if I could just have a quick chat. And here you are :-)

  • @PixidisPerfumes
    @PixidisPerfumes 3 місяці тому

    Thank you Sam, I was looking everywhere for this exact kind of explanation and couldn't find it. Very helpful for anyone doing trials with diluted RM and wanting to use a higher concentration in the final perfume.

  • @dido4227
    @dido4227 10 місяців тому +2

    Muchísimas gracias por todos tus vídeos. Descubrí tu canal hace poco pero para mí toda la información que compartes con nosotros es algo muy valioso. Con tus vídeos puedo aprender mucho más que con los cursos presenciales . Te deseo todo lo mejor! Saludos

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      Thank you, I'm glad I can help!

  • @Gargameaaaaaal
    @Gargameaaaaaal 9 місяців тому +1

    Enjoyed and learned a lot! I hope the app is avail for andriod users as well. It is very convenient and I hope I could get to use it as well in making my perfumes. Thank you so much!

  • @tomas3883
    @tomas3883 10 місяців тому +4

    Hi, just wonder is Your app will ever be available for windows users? BTW great video, like them all :)

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +3

      Thanks! And yes, hopefully late this year

    • @tomas3883
      @tomas3883 10 місяців тому +1

      @@sammacer awesome, looking forward for this app. Good luck mate U R doing well

  • @tdog3954
    @tdog3954 10 місяців тому +1

    thank you for hopefully coming up with something for windows and for the spreadsheet info. good video as always.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      Thanks!

    • @liagusdhiani14
      @liagusdhiani14 9 місяців тому

      Yes, some people have Android or Windows device. Pls considering to create formula in excel would be good! ​@@sammacer

  • @mrwong8264
    @mrwong8264 9 місяців тому +2

    Thanks to all of ur video, it helps me a lot. I'm just a beginner of this world.

  • @Figureight
    @Figureight 10 місяців тому

    Couldn't have come at a better time as I am finally looking into getting my first load of materials in to start learning materials and playing around with some basic perfumery.
    I had intended to dilute everything down to 10% or lower in order to not only learn them better as smelling them at a more realistic percentage, but also to make it all last longer so I can do more experimentation for less cost in material. So I assume that's not a crazy idea and is a valid way for me to work.
    Also would I be right in thinking that if you were to scale up everything after, and you're wanting to then make the smallest potential batch that's easy to measure out accurately, would I just be adjusting the total grams until my smallest ingredient is measurable to a tenth rather than a hundredth? Especially given that a single droplet of something could end up being 0.1g.

  • @MishaCheerful
    @MishaCheerful 7 місяців тому

    Thanks a lot! I copied the table and now I have no questions about assembling the concentrate)

  • @texasfan8892
    @texasfan8892 10 місяців тому +2

    Hey Sam, do you find that there’s a significant difference in aroma chemicals that typically don’t have much of an aroma even in pure concentrated form like hedione, iso super or galaxolide when diluted down to 10% or so?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      We yes, like I said at the start you'd never have the pure thing as a perfume so it's not a good reference point, 10x concentration differences generally do affect the smell

  • @Ci-vaninho
    @Ci-vaninho 10 місяців тому +4

    I use your App everytime when I experimenting with my materials 😊 love it!

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      Glad you like it :)

  • @yadiyhadini8698
    @yadiyhadini8698 10 місяців тому +3

    Unfortunately i do not have access you your amazing apps! I have a question, all of my materials is 10% dilution. By the perfume im making, will be a parfum(25%). Shall i make my trials blend with a 25% diluted materials instead?

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 10 місяців тому +2

      I wouldn’t do all 25%. The aldehydes and other super strong materials like Amber xtreme, ambrinol etc dilute to 2.5%. Instead of 10% to 1 %.
      Those materials still typically will be diluted to a 100+ to 1 ratio.
      So in a trial formula you would add the weight of 20-30 drops of ISO E at 25% and 1 drop of C-11 at 2.5% to still get a balanced ratio.
      If you had both at 25% you would need to have the weight of 100 + drops of iso e, to 1 c-11 to still maintain ratio.

    • @yadiyhadini8698
      @yadiyhadini8698 10 місяців тому

      @wib6044 I appreciate your reply, mate. Understand. However, the reason why i want to use 25% or all at 10% dilution is to allow me to calculate the final raw materials percentage in my final fomula easily. After 2 months of trying to make my own blend, 2 months of researching, literally everything is becoming harder and more complicated. Almost give up!

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 10 місяців тому +2

      I see, I see. I just tried working through a way to do it, and naturally if you use 25% and 2.5%, those smaller dilutions would already add more alcohol, thus making your perfume less than 25%.
      You can use diluted materials just for trials, but why are you using them for final production?
      Once you have your trial worked out, add up actual raw material weight and multiply by how much you need to make your production amount.
      Even for trials I don’t understand how people are using all dilutions. The ratios would be to the extent your still using an amount you would if you have some of them raw.
      The ISO E or Bergamot or Hedione for example to aldehyde is 100 to 1.
      I use a pen paper and my phone calculator. I use both raw and diluted materials.
      If I have ten materials and say 3 of them are diluted
      Muscenone 10% .030g
      Aldehyde C12 mna 1% .020g
      Acetate C9 1% .030g
      Actual Raw material
      Muscenone .003g
      Aldehyde C12 mna .0002
      Acetate C9 .0003g
      .0067g
      Alcohol Content
      Muscenone .027g
      Aldehyde C12 mna .0298g
      Acetate C9 .0297g
      .0865g alcohol
      So when I make my larger batches or 1-2 bottles, I figure out how much alcohol is in the diluted materials and subtract that from how much alcohol to use in the bottle.
      So if I make a 50ml at 25% I would have 12.5g of my formula to 37.5g of alcohol. If my formula has 3-4 diluted materials with .200g of total alcohol, I would only add 37.3g of alcohol to the bottle.
      --
      I don’t make large trials either. 1-2g at the most, so I’m not running through a ton of product doing it this way.

  • @TheKamrenB
    @TheKamrenB 10 місяців тому +4

    "Manzanate" comes from the word Manzana which means "Apple" in Spanish by the way.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      Great fact :)

  • @xMPBx
    @xMPBx 9 місяців тому +1

    Newbie question, if I am using a solvent that isn't alcohol (DPG, etc), can I use the same logic of shuffling around the solvent into it's own category to get my "alcohol?" Or are materials diluted in other solvents locked in at that dilution and I shouldn't assume that I can add them into the same group as alcohol diluted materials?

  • @Banlman
    @Banlman 2 місяці тому

    Hi Sam, firstly, I'm learning a ton from your channel. Thanks. With regard to this one, I have a question/comment (maybe someone has asked this). In the calculator example, you correctly add up the RM based on the dilution but then in the lower section of your spreadsheet the amount of alcohol assumes that material is pure. That is, the alcohol weight is based on the total desired amount minus the concentrate amount. However, if one were to mix with the dilutions, there is already alcohol in there. Shouldn't this be subtracted from the desired amount of alcohol? Again, thanks for your work.

  • @Deursen076
    @Deursen076 7 місяців тому

    A very good video, thank you! You explain it really well.
    I do have a question/comment; why don't you make 1, 10 and 20% dilutions? Then you can use the 20% for the EDP final product. And with the 10 and 20% dilutions, don't you have a big difference in terms of how the fragrance turns out?

    • @ganstabreakincity
      @ganstabreakincity 7 місяців тому +1

      I have same question and what I came to think is that you will need to rework your formula to work from a 10% to a 20%. i think you should aim for a target concentration lets say, 20% and if you need to move from 20 to 23% or 17% it wont impact a lot the overall scent, but as you perform bigger changes lets say 10% to 23% the impact of different materials at different concentrations even keeping the proportions they wont smell the same.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  7 місяців тому +2

      You can use 20% and some perfumers do, I even do on occasion, but it’s more common to have raw materials not dissolving. Many EdTs are around 10% anyway and I prefer 10% for evaluations when learning raw materials

    • @ganstabreakincity
      @ganstabreakincity 7 місяців тому

      @@sammacer hello Sam, I think this point is really important to stress it out because, at least for me, it is the topic that is giving me more trouble understanding without doing any test (yet), like how 10% dilutions and proportions of those are related to a scaled formula with a 100% concentracion, i guess 10% diluted is just 100% plus 90% alcohol over the total amount used in grams, but if you select everything at 100% and keep same proportions and adjust quantity for a given target volume, for example from 10% to 20%, then the strength of some material will be stronger (they are more concentrated than a 10% dilution total, they are 20%) and thus it will be normal adjusting the final formula for the the changes in concentration. Like in 10% what needed to be 30 grams, in 100% concentration it might be 3 grams but since the strength of some ingredients should be taken in consideration maybe those 3 grams should be changed to 3.2 grams to adjust from the overall scent change. What are your thoughts/trials on this doubt? Thank you

  • @daniellabuda7744
    @daniellabuda7744 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you very much! Very important and valuable content.

  • @abstract_arie
    @abstract_arie 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for taking the time to explain the math behind it all - I have the Formulair app, but I still watched to the end to try to learn the logic, because I am one of those people who hasn't used math since high school....AND failed math class all through high school 😅

  • @ludfurman
    @ludfurman 7 місяців тому

    thanks for sharing all this information sam

  • @hyperfocusindonesia1934
    @hyperfocusindonesia1934 10 місяців тому +1

    great video sensei !

  • @jaycejones1024
    @jaycejones1024 10 місяців тому +2

    Thank you sam!

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      You’re welcome

  • @jaikathuria8431
    @jaikathuria8431 10 місяців тому

    Hi Sam , Big fan of your work.
    Just wanted to ask one thing , can we use Reconstituted chemicals inplace of Natural Oils, have you tried experimenting with those? I was looking at ones at Firmenich

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, do you have an example?

    • @jaikathuria8431
      @jaikathuria8431 10 місяців тому

      @@sammacer Yeah , For example I see this Fermenich Bergamot Indi and Some chemicals are labelled as Lemon Oil ( RCO) Rcos are reconstituted chemicals , I was wondering if they could provide better lasting due to being aromatic chemicals instead of EOs .

  • @lisyechikita3538
    @lisyechikita3538 7 місяців тому

    Thats helpfull and amazing! But, im still confused, so we use the pure essentials oils instead the dilutions for EDP then???

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  6 місяців тому

      Tldr you can use a mixture of dilutions and pure and make the maths work - it’s something I go over in more detail in my course, difficult for me to explain more than in this video via the comments section

  • @Jabude
    @Jabude 9 місяців тому +4

    Please release formulair for android 🙏

  • @josephmarch7142
    @josephmarch7142 10 місяців тому +2

    I've always figured pre-dilutions will just give the ratios for your final composition, as when you'd compose the final perfume, it'd still be the same ratios but just scaled up.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      A lot of people do do it like that although personally I like to compose toward the desired dilution

    • @mrsniper9873
      @mrsniper9873 10 місяців тому +1

      @@sammacerI still don’t get any of this can’t you make even simpler it’s just too much for my head to process I have issues with numbers

  • @jeffharmon2827
    @jeffharmon2827 10 місяців тому

    Hi Sam. Would you ever be able to do a video at some point about how to read a formula or write a formula out of a thousand? I'm not sure how to interpret the numbers especially if I want to make a trial at say 5 g. Not sure how much material to use from the formula. Thanks

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      Oh that’s an easy one: you just need to divide every entry in your formula by 200 to convert parts per thousand into a 5g formula.

  • @lasereyecat667
    @lasereyecat667 10 місяців тому

    when making a new perfume formula is it appropriate to dilute any material in ethanol?

  • @urbangergely
    @urbangergely 10 місяців тому +2

    love your app 😅

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      I’m glad

  • @BrandeonKing
    @BrandeonKing 10 місяців тому

    Question, are you considering making your formula program available for Android/windows as well? I see you're only able to use it if you have apple products.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      Yes, hopefully the windows version will be available late this year

    • @BrandeonKing
      @BrandeonKing 10 місяців тому

      Thanks I'll definitely be waiting for it

  • @jGeothro
    @jGeothro 10 місяців тому

    Love your videos! I have a (hopefully not dumb) question. I’m just getting started and am currently looking at scales. I looked up the weight of a drop of ethyl alcohol and it’s apparently 0.039g.
    If a 0.001g scale is needed, is there a way to add raw materials in quantities smaller than 1 drop?

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 9 місяців тому +2

      That’s actually really heavy, that must be a big pipette.
      I use a .5ml ml pipette and a single drop of alcohol weighs around .010g using these.
      Depending on the material, room temp, humidity it will vary.
      Thicker oils can weigh up too .025g, thinner .012. Using this same .5ml size.

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 9 місяців тому +1

      But yea, just draw up less material. Don’t fill the dropper, then dispense one drop, and put the rest back.
      I can get as small as .003-.005g. By drawing up a minute amount. It will usually form a bubble and pop 😁.

  • @Devonellah
    @Devonellah 9 місяців тому

    Do you have a link for this spreadsheet? :)

  • @jordimarcer8306
    @jordimarcer8306 8 місяців тому

    Hi, thanks for your amazing job. Can we have a copy of this excel?

  • @momoski5757
    @momoski5757 10 місяців тому

    Keep going bro keep building

  • @Dim_the_Athenian
    @Dim_the_Athenian 2 місяці тому

    15:35 When you scale up the formula at 20% why the solvent goes at 72grams? Doesn't that mean the concentration is at 28% and not 20% when the total grams are 100?
    Please release this app for Androids, in europe we are mostly use Microsoft and Google ecosystems not Apple.

  • @KTLehman75_Fragrance
    @KTLehman75_Fragrance 6 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this information!!!!!!

  • @PatrickOwera
    @PatrickOwera 6 місяців тому

    thanks bro,i too need to learn production n take it to another level.i really need yur help to take me through but i am still astarter.

  • @NikkiLynn3
    @NikkiLynn3 5 місяців тому

    So what do u do when the fragrant and/or essential oils dont blend or dissolve in the perfumers alcohol? (Its small particles of fragrant oils at the bottom)
    And why does that happen?

  • @PaulMatthewMusic1
    @PaulMatthewMusic1 10 місяців тому

    Much needed!!

  • @fee2638
    @fee2638 7 місяців тому

    How about 100% material in powder form. Should i include in the formular as 20% dilution or in 100%

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  7 місяців тому

      Well if it’s a pure powder it will be 100% until you dilute it

  • @norfolkhoneybee273
    @norfolkhoneybee273 9 місяців тому

    Sorry if this is a repeat question, where can I buy denatured alcohol tsda sd 40b you said about in UK? You don't sell on your shop.

  • @bariscokmar
    @bariscokmar 3 місяці тому

    So, basically Isoamyl isovalerate became 0,01% instead of 1%, right?

  • @superaak
    @superaak 9 місяців тому

    Can you please share excel template. Thank you

  • @tugrola
    @tugrola Місяць тому

    What if we make Ambrorome Absolu %0.1 dilution, not %1. I mean is it doable to make %0.1 dilution?

  • @na3kh461
    @na3kh461 9 місяців тому

    Thanks for afford, could you have active spreadsheet for download on window?
    thanks.

  • @Omeeid
    @Omeeid 10 місяців тому

    Hi man , is it ok to use
    benzyl alcohol with natural Rose oil ?
    ( I don't use ethanol )

  • @debrapuckett591
    @debrapuckett591 4 місяці тому

    Do you have an app for android too? It won't let me download it..

  • @oneofafyew
    @oneofafyew 5 місяців тому

    Confused about 1 point but great video asides from that! You scaled everything X10, from 10% to 100%, and from 1% to 10% EXCEPT Isoamyl you kept at 1% and so wouldn't the formula NOT be totally proportionally correct because Isoamyl would be weaker in the end formula?...

  • @TheDeviceReviewer
    @TheDeviceReviewer 10 місяців тому

    When i tried to dilute ambroxan crystals in EtOh, it simply wouldnt dilute, it kept benig crystalline, do you know why and how to make it dilute? 😂 Was 0.25g Ambrox and 1.7g EtOh, thanks!

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      Try 2.25 g EtOH, if it still doesn’t work something isn’t pure enough

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 10 місяців тому

      Yea I tried diluting cedrol crystals 50% and it was milky white. Left it for a few hours and nothing changed.
      So I slowly added enough alcohol to make a 10% solution, and right at about 15- 20% it magically turned clear.
      Never tried anything more than 10% with Ambroxan and even at 10% cetalox and Ambroxan took several hours and vigorous shaking to fully dissolve for me.

  • @SeaHearts1
    @SeaHearts1 10 місяців тому

    How come perfumers usually dilute ambrox using dpg instead of alcohol?

  • @kieranmc-t2w
    @kieranmc-t2w 10 місяців тому

    Do you ever use pure concentrates to make your final product? Or do you always use diluted products to make it?

  • @itskidaz
    @itskidaz 2 місяці тому

    why not just dilute at 25% or 50% with softer notes, more efficient

  • @amirkhanadnan1418
    @amirkhanadnan1418 6 місяців тому

    By using which perfume oil/ solvent I can use for 1 kilogram concentrated perfume oil turn to 4 kilogram???

  • @el-DonBrands
    @el-DonBrands 10 місяців тому

    I have synthetic Ambroxan crystals but really don't know how to dilut it

    • @texasfan8892
      @texasfan8892 10 місяців тому

      You can buy it already pre-diluted. I think it’s typically IPM that’s used as the solvent.

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 10 місяців тому

      Do you have a scale? If not, Ambroxan is safe and forgiving, so you could just put like a 1/4 teaspoon (a dime sized mound) in 30ml alcohol spray bottle.
      I wouldn’t mess with any other synthetics without a scale. Even then iso e and hedione at the most.
      I spent a year working with nothing but essential oils, then another year working with only Iso e hedione and a musk blend before moving on.

    • @wib6044
      @wib6044 10 місяців тому

      10% in perfumers alcohol by weight should do the trick.

  • @naiem1244
    @naiem1244 10 місяців тому

    I like your channel. It very useful . May I ask wha does mean [ EAU DE TOILET ] why it called this name

    • @Perfumery_by_Sabin
      @Perfumery_by_Sabin 10 місяців тому +4

      It means toilet water. It’s old and outdated but it is referred to the concentration level of the fragrance. Eau fraiche 3% Eau de cologne 2-5% Eau de toilette concentration levels range from 5-15% while eau de parfum 15-20% parfum 20-40%

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому +1

      Eau de Toilette just represents a medium strength perfume, usually 5-15% concentration

  • @MehrunnisaSiddique-r8k
    @MehrunnisaSiddique-r8k 9 місяців тому +2

    Hey,
    Sam please can you make full video about
    1) what is concentration and dilution, pre dilute.
    2) and about how to calculate 10% 20%. We can't understand this video please make a full video. Like you make formulair app
    3) And like we take hedione so we have to pre dilute so we take 1g hedione, 9g alcohol so it's make 10percent. So How can we make 5kg hedione to 10% make this video.
    Please sam I've watching your video from past 1 year and you're help a lot. please make this type of topic in one video.

  • @MichaelScottPerkins
    @MichaelScottPerkins 10 місяців тому +1

    left out the word "to" in the video title maybe?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  10 місяців тому

      Thank you for pointing that one out, just fixed it

  • @ximonq
    @ximonq 5 місяців тому

    So basically predilutions are for developing and pure raw materials for producing

  • @daffaaqil9975
    @daffaaqil9975 2 місяці тому

    Still pray that formulair come to android🙏

  • @jori7398
    @jori7398 9 місяців тому

    There’s option for me to “superchat” or send a “Thanks” to you… and no “buy me a coffee” link. That makes me sad. I want to send you something for teaching me math!
    😢😢😢

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  9 місяців тому +1

      That’s very kind of you! The only way to tip me right now is to purchase the free competition book at The Fragrance Foundry and leave a tip at checkout, however, there’s really no need, I’m more than happy providing the information for free!

  • @millicentmanzini7740
    @millicentmanzini7740 10 місяців тому

    Sawubona

  • @Devonellah
    @Devonellah 10 місяців тому

    That ISO E Super stuff is really synthetic... I'm surprised you would use that -- other than that I love your videos! :)

  • @guthriethornley8245
    @guthriethornley8245 9 місяців тому

    💋 *Promo sm*

  • @mrsniper9873
    @mrsniper9873 10 місяців тому

    I don’t get any of this am going to throw all my materials out this numbers thing mashes my head up I can’t hack it sends me in a rage. Am out of this hobby

    • @lcapili
      @lcapili 10 місяців тому +2

      Dont throw it. Send it to my address 😅