What primes make each of these integers?

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  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 3 роки тому +31

    14:19 q = {-5, -4, -3, 0, 3, 12} but the correct element is still negative so the solution isn't affected.

  • @robertgerbicz
    @robertgerbicz 3 роки тому +10

    Shorter solution:
    Suppose that p is odd
    if r is also odd, then from B: q is odd, but then A is not integer.
    if q is odd then from C: r is odd, but then again A is not an integer.
    So when p is odd: r=q=2, from this A is not an integer.
    Hence we can assume that p=2, in this case:
    A=(2*q+4)/(q+r), if A=2 then r=2, from B we got q is even q=2, but then B=22/4 is not an integer.
    We left only A=1 (obviously 0

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 3 роки тому +19

    15:04

  • @manucitomx
    @manucitomx 3 роки тому +13

    Thank you, professor!

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 3 роки тому +24

    LEFT FOR THE VIEWER : Prove that if a and b are positive integers then there maybe at most a finite number of integers n, such that both an² + b and a(n+ 1)² + b are perfect squares.
    SOURCE : 93rd Eötvös-Kürschák Competition 1993

    • @adityaekbote8498
      @adityaekbote8498 3 роки тому +2

      How do you get so many problems from is there any crawler you use or you just go like today I feel Russian and then a random Russian olympiad question

    • @goodplacetostop2973
      @goodplacetostop2973 3 роки тому +2

      @@adityaekbote8498 I'm doing all by myself, no crawler. When I feel things are not balanced, for example when I have too much number theory problems, I'm looking for other topics like calculus or geometry. Same goes for countries and levels (junior, senior, olympiad)

  • @s.m.m99203
    @s.m.m99203 3 роки тому +14

    Hello Dr. Penn
    The solution was interesting. But I think we still have to check if our found values for p, q, and r guarantee that C is an integer (in this case they do). Do we still need to check C regarding the given solution, or is that obvious?

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 роки тому +8

      No, you're correct he left it as an exercise to the viewer but it definitely needs to be checked

  • @Asher.Yodaah
    @Asher.Yodaah 3 роки тому +25

    I know I'm not the only one curious about this, so I went and did the calculations.
    A = 1
    B = 8
    C = 11

    • @sashimanu
      @sashimanu 3 роки тому +17

      And that’s even better place to stop.

  • @victorsouza3709
    @victorsouza3709 3 роки тому +13

    @michael penn
    Great video!
    The claim that q and r are not even is a strong start, you probably started this problem thinking that all the three variables couldnt be even, right?
    I think it would be a cool ideia to make a video showing your thought process including the ideas that dont work!
    Just an idea!
    Have a nice day!

  • @Abcd-hs4cv
    @Abcd-hs4cv 3 роки тому

    We made the same solutions. I am getting better at these thanks to you professor.

  • @diego986
    @diego986 3 роки тому

    What about a video with a selection of recomentations of good or best books for the main fields of maths? At least the ones that helped you along the way. It would be great!

  • @chaosredefined3834
    @chaosredefined3834 3 роки тому +28

    Small problem: While it is true that the values you presented work for B, you never showed that they work for A and C. You showed necessary conditions for them to work for A and C, but never showed that they were sufficient.

    • @sea34101
      @sea34101 3 роки тому +10

      Agreed. For this kind of problem, I think that one always needs to verify that the found solution actually works, i.e. checking that A, B and C are integers with the proposed solution

    • @binaryagenda
      @binaryagenda 3 роки тому +13

      He fixed A to be 1 in the previous step so that's fine, but yes he should have shown that C is an integer too.

    • @williamadams137
      @williamadams137 3 роки тому +4

      I’m sure what he said in the end “so this is in fact the only triple that satisfies these conditions.” implies that we can easily check A and C. i.e. left to the listeners as exercise.

    • @s.m.m99203
      @s.m.m99203 3 роки тому +7

      @@williamadams137 A is set to be equal to 1. We only need to check C I think

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 роки тому +3

      Technically A is already checked as p=2 and r=q+4 was sufficient for A to be an integer, namely 1
      But I agree he should have checked for C

  • @marcushendriksen8415
    @marcushendriksen8415 3 роки тому

    Nice problem. Inequalities are underrated, in my opinion. They are very useful

  • @davidcroft95
    @davidcroft95 3 роки тому +2

    15:05 MichealPenn.exe has stopped working

  • @AlwinMao
    @AlwinMao 3 роки тому

    A: q+r even -> p even
    B: p+r even -> q+r even
    C: p+q even -> r+p even
    so using = in mod 2 to denote parity
    A: if q=r then p is even
    B: if p=r then q=r then p is even (from A) so all are even
    C: if p=q then p=r then p=q=r so all are even.
    By contradiction, (2,2,2) doesn't work, so we know p=r and p=q are both false, p+r and p+q are both odd, so r and q are odd and p is even.

  • @matts3178
    @matts3178 3 роки тому +3

    Hey Mike, what's 3 minus 6?

    • @mundy8737
      @mundy8737 3 роки тому

      Good observation lol

  • @mcwulf25
    @mcwulf25 3 роки тому

    We can quickly discount p being odd by considering A, which requires exactly one of q and r is 2. Then from C that's not possible.

  • @serious-goober
    @serious-goober 3 роки тому

    Hooo, it was also in the shortlist of a french contest, that's fun

  • @MegaGuiaGamer
    @MegaGuiaGamer 3 роки тому +1

    I have a question, why you suppose that A=1, when the problem says that A,B and C must be integers (which means that A can be 0, -1, -2,...)?
    Maybe it doesn't change anything, but I'm not seeing it.

  • @mr.soundguy968
    @mr.soundguy968 2 роки тому

    3:24 -1 not 1

  • @JM-us3fr
    @JM-us3fr 3 роки тому

    At the end, you should also check that C is in fact an integer, just so we know (2,3,7) is in fact a solution.

  • @hba12
    @hba12 Рік тому

    good thanks

  • @theartisticactuary
    @theartisticactuary 3 роки тому

    Was that a good place to stop? You've shown that if there is a so.option then it's (2,3,7). But is this a solution. I think you've shown that A and C are both integers but not B. Or did I miss something?

  • @rafael7696
    @rafael7696 3 роки тому

    Very nice

  • @Fatihuuuu
    @Fatihuuuu 3 роки тому +1

    Can you solve the Turkish math exam questions? (It was very difficult)

    • @fracaralho
      @fracaralho 3 роки тому

      You can delete your comments all you like, we all know what your country did.
      Talaat Pasha had it coming.

    • @Fatihuuuu
      @Fatihuuuu 3 роки тому

      @@fracaralhostupid you don't care

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe 3 роки тому +1

    The word odd now sounds weird to me

  • @helo3827
    @helo3827 3 роки тому +6

    am I here before Good Place To Stop? No................... At least it was another one of my suggestions.

    • @TreeCube
      @TreeCube 3 роки тому

      Nice question!

    • @gmchess7367
      @gmchess7367 3 роки тому

      I didn't get it how did you comment 1 month earlier 🤔🤔

    • @Czmlol
      @Czmlol 3 роки тому

      I think he is eautistic.

    • @gmchess7367
      @gmchess7367 3 роки тому

      @@Czmlol Ok...

  • @bradhoward
    @bradhoward 3 роки тому

    Please add laugh track to bloopers

  • @jimskea224
    @jimskea224 3 роки тому

    I wonder how many Math Olympiads there are in the World?

  • @honortruth5227
    @honortruth5227 3 роки тому +1

    2,3,7 resp. by inspection and that’s a good place to stop.

  • @h2_
    @h2_ 3 роки тому

    I hate the way you write lowercase q's so much. Especially the q in a's numerator. I couldn't tell what that said until you verbalized it, I thought it was some arcane mathematical symbol I was unfamiliar with, it definitely looked nothing like a q to me.

  • @MrRyanroberson1
    @MrRyanroberson1 3 роки тому

    your style of "show whether these can be even or odd" argumentation almost feels like it's contrived for how much shorter it could have been if you had just said "let's show q and r cannot be 2" and so forth, further eliminating the need to repeat "the only even prime number is 2" as though being even isn't just defined as being a multiple of 2

  • @advaykumar9726
    @advaykumar9726 3 роки тому +2

    First