Whether the Uchiha Clan started a rebellion and attacked the Leaf... or if Itachi slaughtered them all... an Uchiha would still declare the Fourth Great Ninja War.
Not exactly, more like mark the beginning of the 4th war. Because of the fact the rebellion would have left konoha in no state to fight off any of the other great nations in direct combat and expect to keep all of its resources and territory.
False if the uchiha had started a rebellion taken over konaha Obito would've recruited Orichimaru back at some point & either brought rin back or would've been killed himself due to his obsession. No Obito, no 4th great war.
Depends on the way they wanted to go about their coup. A coup might not have required murdering all/most other clans. Usually, a coup involves taking out key leadership. My guess is that the Uchiha's would have targeted the Hokage, the council of elders, and a few key warriors, taken prisoners from other families, etc. An all out battle would have probably been their least preferred method.
They literally said we want a bloodless coup which makes me think they will put herizen order something like kotoamasukame or izanagi and just have him step down they would do the same or just kill danzo probably
I was gonna comment what you said. I think if the scenario played out like NCHammer said then the other clans most likely wouldn't have challenged the Uchiha, especially if things went smoothly and the 9 tails was causing chaos
Not to mention the fact that they could’ve just gotten Shishui to use koto amatsukame on Hiruzen to get him to step down and name Fugaku as his successor. It’s possible they would need to assassinate Danzo first but it’s also possible that the daimyo of the land of fire would be willing to trust Hiruzen to choose the right man for the job which would result in a bloodless coup
Correction: Jaraiya would have been there,dur to tracking Orochimaru. He was following HIM not the Akatsuki. Its just that Orochimaru joined them. So if Orocui I'd there then Jaraiya is too.
Honestly I've always felt a nation should've attacked Konoha almost immediately after Kurama's attack. The village was vulnerable and it would've given the massacre a better reason for happening.
Not really. If an an entire Nation attacked the Leaf after Kurama's rampage, then the Uchiha would be given more trust to wipe out the Leaf's enemies. The Uchiha would be pissed that they were not given more defensive duties during the Kurama attack so during this surprise war the Leaf would be forced to use the Uchiha as they are some of their strongest weapons. The bond with the Leaf elders and the Uchiha clan becomes stronger due to the Uchiha proving their loyalty for the Leaf during this crisis. They were unable during the Kurama attack but the war will cause the Leaf to be even more desperate otherwise they will face total destruction. The entirety of every Leaf village clan would work together (the Hyuga, Uchiha, InoShikaCho, Aburame, Inuzuka) plus the Anbu and the root working to defend the Leaf. Hiruzen would be focusing more on defense, meanwhile Danzo being evil would finally be a good thing as he would absolutely want to not just obliterate the attackers but to absorb them into the Leaf and to steal their resources and weapons. Also, Jiraiya would be there for this war (unless it's a well planned sneak attack like what the Sand did, but that is unlikely because no one knew Obito would cause a rampage plus other villages will definitely spy on the Leaf to gather info on just how weak they are and then they would use this info to assess whether an invasion is worth it or not, remember the Leaf is the strongest and most rich village). Perhaps, the Leaf may be able to cut a deal with another village to help out as backup or perhaps other villages don't intervene. This worse possible case scenario is the Leaf fighting every other Nation at the same time but I doubt that the other Nations would be able to cooperate together in time to attack. After Kurama attacked, the Leaf was on high alert and would have had their spies check every village for any signs of a potential attack. The Leaf are not stupid. They know that brief moments of weakness equals a greater advantage for their enemies to invade and win so they will spy, cheat and viciously fight their way back to the top.
Konoha still would’ve won lol Hiruzen was still consiythe strongest Kage and the entire Uchiha clan was there. They wouldn’t have been made to sit back while a whole village attacked Konoha
@@dejones803 the uchihas probably dont help them. Simply because they weren’t allowed to help against kurama. Why would they risk themselves for a country that rejects them? But the other countries still probably loose, unless they join forces then that’s something else
I'm more curious about why nobody invaded the Sand after Konoha Crush. Their kage was killed along with a good chunk of their Shinobi, plus their jinchuuriki was taken out of commission. Maybe because the sand held no agricultural value, who knows.
I'm more curious about why nobody invaded the Sand after Konoha Crush. Their kage was killed along with a good chunk of their Shinobi, plus their jinchuuriki was taken out of commission. Maybe because the sand held no agricultural value, who knows.
I'd be really interested in a conversation about the possibility that many Uchiha, seeing their relatives and friends killed by Konoha ninja, would also gain the mangekyo(poor spelling) as well. It would start with a small handful but as the war went on, I'd imagine more would form during the war. How would that effect things?
Wait I thought getting an ms has to do with you playing a part in the death rather than just watching them die, I think a lot of sharingan users would have awakened, yes, but I don't think an outrageous amount of ms users would be made too
@@dedrik1461 Nah its strictly the extreme emotion of them dying. The reason itachi had to kill shisui is cause itachi wouldnt have felt as much pain if he just lost shisui in battle, he had to physically kill him and essentially hate himself for doing it.
Personally I think the Aborame's would have given the Uchiha's a run for their money, the only genjustu that has ever been shown to be useful against their bugs is Itachi's sukiomi, even the Kuruma clans strongest genjustu didn't work on the bugs of a clan member as weak as Shino (at the time he was a genine) and Itachi can't exactly spam sukiomi.
@@kngnate2654 considering all these clans would jump ontop of the Uchias and overwhelm them with posion, showdow possession, gentle fist, expansion jutsus, and dogs the Uchia really had no way of ever winning. The best they could hope for is killing the Leaf villages leaders and disabilazing it but the Uchia would all be dead for that.
@@thegreatahgou6100 yeah… my mind went to, well, not Tsukuyomi… but something else… but hey… that’s not the only thing they got wrong. Maybe they stuck in that SukiOhMay??? 🤣
Two things: I don't think they would have to kidnap Naruto. He was neglected, abandoned and alone. They could've brought him into the fold as a son raised with Sasuke and Itachi and he would've stuck beside the only family he's ever known and we know how fiercely loyal Naruto is. They also had the option of creating an army of EMS users by forcing their stronger members to awaken their mangekyo and then taking the eyes. Technically any Uchiha can awaken a mangekyo and then get EMS given the right circumstances.
Basically. Because they are extremely outnumbered. Just they Hyuga clan or the Aburame clan can hold thier own against the Uhiha considering they have done it beofre during the waring states period. You combine the Hyuga and Aburame with all the other clans in the village and the Uchia would be wiped out faster than What Obito and Itachi did.
@@chriscollins3225 they likely could through most uchiha would fall to a middle shinobi using shadow para without looking into their eyes like... Sure the uchiha were dominant in the waring states but the uchiha to break from mind techs or shadow para would have to blind one of their eyes or out number which they could not do.
Uchiha: Keep spamming our mind control guys! There’s no way they’ll be prepared for that •Kurama Closes his eyes Uchiha:….oh no! He was prepared for that
keep in mind, hiruzen would start with a very strong psychology unlike the battle he had with orochimaru not to mention orochimaru said hiruzen had he been 10 years younger wouldve stomped orochimaru, this would mean hiruzen is far above everyone he faces
I originally wasn’t a big fan of how they handled the Madhara(sp?) & Obito relationship and plot Because I thought it was a huge stretch that Madhara would just so happen to choose an unremarkable Uchiha child to recruit for his plan . . .& luckily for him Obito just happened to turn out to be one of the most powerful Uchiha members But then I realized Madhara wouldn’t really need to know which Uchiha kids would turn out to be powerful, or what powers they would develop . . . Because, Uchiha’s develop power from suffering emotional pain. So Madhara could pick any random Uchiha kid, & as long as he makes sure to subject the kid to immense suffering and heartbreak . . .he knows which ever Uchiha kid he picks can become incredibly powerful, as long as he set the kid up to experience heartbreak and suffering over & over again
Just finished the vid, DUDE you're a next-level fkn weeb. I mean that with the UTMOST respect, I'm incredibly impressed with your commitment to this story. About to do a deep dive on your channel, thanks for investing so much time into the Naruto universe. You have significantly deepened my appreciation for my favorite anime
The only way for the Uchiha to have some what won and still be a handful of them alive, is for them to form an alliance with another village and defect there, the ideal village would be the cloud village bekuz they are comparable to the leaf in terms of strength. But taking out the higher ups in the hidden leaf and assuming command would've resulted in a civil war within the village bekuz of the other clans loyalty to the village itself and the Hokage. Regardless a ninja war would've came to be either way
Honestly they probably wouldn't need another village given the Hyuga were ripe for a civil war if somebody could figure out how to dispel the mark on the lower clan.
@@furiousfusion7890 But they'd never be able to awaken a Mangekyo Sharingan, so _there's_ the downside. If you can call it a downside, that is, since the payoff for even _getting_ a set of MS is basically to give yourself PTSD... not worth.
@@anthonylamonica8301 they would be able to. It would just be in one eye so they wouldnt have the susanoo. Still though, any mongekyo ability would be amazing with the byakugan (ex: amaterasu snipes, tsukyomi snipes, ect)
If the child is lucky then they would get one Sharingan and one Byakugan. They would have the strengths of both bloodlines. However, it is possible that the child only awakens just the Sharingan or just the Byakugan. Boruto is half Hyuga and half (Namikaze, Uzumaki, Senju). He was unlucky in that the genetic lottery did not bless him with a Byakugan due to the half of him he gets from Naruto does not have the Byakugan. Him getting a Jougan is different because Naruto and Hinata make an Otsutsuki child (minus the Uchiha DNA). Sarada is lucky because she actually was blessed with the Sharingan considering she is only half Uchiha. Sasuke is a full Uchiha and Sakura is only Uchiha by name and not DNA. The Uchihas of the past had far more stronger Sharingan potency due to not having their bloodline diluted too much. For example, Indra awakened a fully evolved Sharingan instantly and when he acquired his mangekyo he instantly got a complete perfect Susanoo with wings. Meanwhile, the Uchiha born after Indra had to slowly evolve their Sharingan and slowly grow out their Susanoo (that's if they were lucky enough to gain one) by furthering their psychological trauma so that their brain produces and releases more of the special chakra into their eyes that further evolves the Sharingan.
Something I feel that has been forgotten is that as the battle progresses many Uchiha will prbly unlock ms, giving them huge buffs in fighting ability as well as ms abilities such as Amaterasu, Susanoo and many other abilities, which may not spell all out victory but would definitely give the Uchiha a huge buff
Yea right so it wud have had to been a massacre like it was cuz the longer it wage the more it favor Uchiha even if it dropped to like 4 Uchiha at that point that wud all b Madara level crazy lol
Totally agree! Remember the time when obito who is just an average ninja awakened the sharingan, it gave him a significant power boost. What more if normie uchiha foot soldiers with basic sharingans awakened MS? It would sway the tides on their side.
Whenever I see a group picture of the Akatsuki, i always think, Pain sent a group chat/ Gedo statue message saying, "Meet at 9 for the team picture, don't be late. PS Bring a Jinjuriki with you "
Lets look at some plot holes here 1. its been stated that a very small amount of uchihas actually awake the sharingan , let alone 3 tomoe sharingans, so lets assume that there are about 200 uchihas with sharingans and 100 with 3 tomoe sharingans, hence after the battle with the hyuga only about 100-110 uchihas would survive out of the entire clan. 2. since we've just assumed about itachis ms lets not consider it , cause he probably wouldnt have had it by then, 3. you absolutely missed the aburame here, considering danzo atleast knows about shishui, Guy wouldnt be fighting him, it would be someone else just to create a diversion while 1 of 100s of aburame just sneaks and finishes the job(maybe with the help of a nara clan member) 4. why did we assume that no other uchiha would be allied with danzo, or else danzo wouldnt know about the coup, he could simply summon jiraya if he knew even a little bit. So the battles would be Itachi(without ms) vs kakashi. guy vs fugaku, jiraya and hiruzen vs obito and kuruma , and shishui would be dead or paralysed. also obito does not hold any alligence to the uchiha , he would simply desert them if the tides were turned The uchiha massacre would still be Uchiha Massacre but even sasuke would be dead.
We should not underestimate fugaku uchiha since he also was considered a hokage candidate even tho he wasn’t the favorite,he probably would have a full MS sharingan with most of his abilities at his. Disposal and when itachi took him out he never intended to fight back,if he decided to put a fight i could bet the story would b different of what we know..
we all assume that a strong Uchiwa have a Mangekyou, but he doesn't have to, clan leader in his mid forty i guess, he must have a lot of experience and maybe he's just very strong in taijutsu with a base sharingan to make it even better, knows a lot of jutsu because he can learn them easilly like Kakashi
I still find I hard to believe that the Uchiha clan was really that powerful if they were wiped by two Uchihas. Yes those two were strong however, as you said, there were hundreds of Uchihas. No way the Uchiha clan would've successfully taken over Konoha if they couldn't beat two people.
I mean if 2 people went up against a well trained spartan army of hundreds, but those 2 people were modern-day soldiers with access to modern tools of war, who are you placing your bets on?
They where not expecting the attack and the two were very swift and efficient. Itachi is incredibly skilled one of the top members of the clan and he assassinated most before they where aware of what was going on or WHO the threat was. There were probably several of their jounin who were ready for a fight but didn't see Itachi as a threat till he cut them down. Its one of the benefits of using one of their own to attack them, its completely unexpected and they will be seen as an ally until they strike.
@@patriktragor7336 unexpected makes them sound worse. You are a ninja clan who form the police for your village and you are caught off guard? That speaks volumes to how terrible they were.
Hi Nick, great video but I think that you missed one detail which is that Fugaku never wanted a full on war against konoha he even said that he could control Kurama but didn't want to. His plan was to kill Hiruzen, Danzo and the two elders to have a change in leadership.
The fact that so much Shinto lore was invested into Itachi's Susanoo and MS abilities kind of makes me think that: A) other MS abilities weren't planned for initially and B) other Uchiha being in the story weren't planned for initially. I know the Yata mirror and Totsuka sword weren't really fleshed out until much later, but Susanoo, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi being linked to the Shinto myth of Izanami and Izanagi's underworld adventure makes things like Kamui and Kotoamastukami seem out of place. Maybe I'm wrong and both of those are related to Shinto myths that I'm not familiar with and I'm open to corrections, but just something I think about from time to time.
I recommend you watch old swagkage videos about each MS ability and it's backgrounds, also look into the rinnegan, pretty sure its based of the hindu reincarnation realm of samsara (might be wrong on the specifics of that one but its still interesting to know)
The answer to who would win is simple. The hidden cloud. After a battle which takes out most of the strongest warriors on both sides and makes the village far more vulnerable than it has ever been the Cloud comes in and no diffs whoever is still alive.
Fugaku did mention that he wanted a bloodless coup,and they have been planning this coup for a long while so I would imagine that they wouldn't just outright turn the streets of Konoha into a Battlefield,they being the police of Konoha would probably have information of every single important individual in the village,their residence,place of work and added to that surveillance ,they also have laid out tactics and have a strategy on how they would carry it out,while Konoha would be caught by surprise,unplanned and not a single idea of when and where it would take place given that Itachi and Shisui would be on the Uchiha side,I would imagine a situation where key structures are secured and key individuals are taken into custody or subdued immediately without alerting the rest of the village ,storming the Hokage HQ would be the ultimate goal,given how Hiruzen is a Pacifist he'd immediately surrender his office,get the Anbu to backdown and Danzo would with his root go underground as terrorists to overthrow the new Uchiha run Konoha. Or if it comes down to battle,The Uchiha would be more organised and well led and most likely have laid out plans on how to carry a battle of this sort and for Konoha they'd need to first organise and improvise counterattacks and that could mean lots of casualties as they play right into any traps the Uchiha would've laid out,I see a victory for the Uchiha in the sense that other clans would take time to mobilise and mostly Hiruzen not wanting more blood to be shed surrendering or signing an armistice in Fugaku's favour before they incur more casualties
Here's a video idea: What if Might Guy would become Hokage. He was never in context of becoming one bc he is frankly not serious enough in his day-to-day business. But what if Lee dies against Kimimaro? Would that change him to the point to be in contention for the title?
You'd have to be a special brand of stupid to think Itachi could somehow solo Konoha, and honestly a special brand of incompetent to write that he soloed every fight ready member of his own clan. However dumb it is though, he was written to have wiped out the clan so presumably Konoha as a whole takes the W.
I disagree, NC the problem is you don't seem to have considered the hundreds or even thousands of ninja that are simply unnamed but could exist. Naruto does a very poor job of filling out all of the military ranks and positions within each village. There could well exist ninja that are stronger than Might Guy or Kakashi within the village that were simply not in the story because they did not have a close connection to any of the main characters. For example the village chief would have had a large number of bodyguards and its likely that they would have been the strongest ninja in the village, yet they were not mentioned in the story. There would have also been battlefield commanders and leaders that should have been stronger than teachers/tutors and were simply skipped from the story because it already had a very large cast.
Given that Itachi killed every Uchiha member essentially by himself, the only notable additions are Orochi, Fugaku, Shisui and Obito vs the Leaf. I don't think that's close, tbh. Itachi is unlikely to have MS without Shishui. I just don't see it, but I'm a casual. If we use end-story power scaling, yes. But with all the end-game power scaling, Madara should have overtaken the leaf after Hashi died. Kishi really wrote an unbalanced story that began very balanced which is what made it cool.
Tbf giving the Uchiha’s Obito who wasn’t living in the village is a game-end right there.. no one in the leaf (maybe except hiruzen) is even remotely close to Obito and has a counter play against kamui.. there are many arguments pitching yellow mask Obito (without Kurama) against the Shanin and Obito still wins.. remeber Naruto defeats Pain Minato thinks the yellow mask Obito and he says to Naruto “yep sage mode not enough you need 9-tails chakra powers” and sage mode Naruto is far stronger than everyone in the leaf (maybe again except this younger version of Hiruzen).. only Obito should be enough LOL.. and on top of that you are giving freaking Itachi and 2 other MS user where Kotoamatsukami (not sure about spelling ) is an option? The leaf stands 0 chance..
@@mariosplaysszz6261 Obito at that point in his career should have been garbage (he wasn't, but the logic of him making a jump from scrub/ no skill to near-4th Hokage level is absurd). Even with that, 4th beat him. You are referencing Obito vs Pain which is essentially 2 decades later. It isn't the same league. Itachi wouldn't have MS. Fugaku lost to Itachi (though with MS). Shishui has 2 uses of his MS per decade, and the Hyuuga could disrupt it, IIRC. Again, if it was THAT easy, the Uchiha would not have been outcasts to begin with. Further, Madara would have stomped the village after Hashi died.
@@cameronno6039 some misconceptions… let me debunk these: yes the 4th beat him, but he is on a completely different level than anything the leaf village has right now.. in his video he is giving Itachi the MS.. and also in the Pain fight Minato only knows yellow mask Obito from their encounter back then.. so what he says to Naruto applies to yellow mask Obito.. Fukagu never lost to Itachi he didn’t even fight him.. he didn’t want to have a bloodlust battle against his son The Madara thing I think is just inconsistent writing.. and irrelevant to this discussion topic.. Yes the Uchiha were outcasts this has nothing to do with their power though.. they also never had MS Shisui with MS Itachi and Obito together.. Shisui was a spy for Danzo.. In the OG timeline Obito isn’t there, Itachi doesn’t have MS and Shisui is a spy for Danzo.. Giving Obito to the Uchiha’s is a big boost and an overkill for the leaf.. his scenario is more of a what if scenario.. what if these 4 Uchiha worked together.. I would advise you to watch some powerscaling videos by swawkage and Seth the programmer they really dive deep into yellow mask Obito’s power.. he is at the top of the verse already (currently living individuals only of course not all time lol) and on this fight you have MS Itachi on top of that.. along with MS Shisui and Fukagu.. yeah leaf loses this one lol.. There is also a great video by Six of how Itachi beats the 3rd Hokage so yeah the leaf gets stomped here..
Obito's character is trash. It was just written for Hax as opposed to Madaras which always made sense (how beast Madara was should not have been real, but each step made sense with how the story was told). Itachi fighting Hiruzen would have been fun to see. With the original story dynamic, I do not know who wins.
A few things I thought of: - Obito may not be sided with Uchiha, but at least won't be with Konoha either. - Given that in these circumstances no one would see it coming, the Uchiha would have enough time for preparation. That preparation would include potentially getting allies outside Konoha and making sure that the strongest of their enemies don't pose a threat. This could be done by either creating false alarms far away from the village (hell, just kidnap Naruto and yeet him into the middle of nowhere, yes, I think that'd be better than getting Kurama out and then hoping you can control him) so that the top shinobi would go on missions to investigate them, or do it the Itachi way and just wipe a bunch of people clean at night when they're not ready to fight back. - It's not a far stretch to think that some other clans and/or people would join them in this operation too. I can't quite tell who that would be other than maybe Hyugas (which would just turn everything in their favor in a heartbeat), but it's not as far from possibility as you may think. - A lot of the Uchiha would likely awaken sharingan/MS/EMS during the fights, by either seeing clanmates die or literally killing their own friends cause that's how those bloody eyes work. And who knows if they're not gonna invent a new broken ability that we haven't seen before? - Given that Orochimaru is most likely sided with Uchiha and everything is planned out he can also bring a few of his experiments. Not saying they'd take out top tier people but they could do some work for sure. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how well the Uchiha would be prepared: if they took their time with a well thought plan they could very much pull it off.
I don’t think no one would see it coming. Itachi was their mole but without him they still don’t trust the Uchiha. They would still be spying on them. I don’t think any of the clans would side with the Uchiha. Specially against what would seem like a very uphill battle.
My thought is it's winnable... if it remains a *coup*, not a war. Not total numbers, but, "Hey, we killed Hiruzen, Danzo, and some of the other jonin, but we don't want to wipe out *any* of you, so now that the old boss is dead we're the only ones strong enough to lead Konoha, stand down."
The thing is killing Hiruzen itself is already one hell of a problem because they dont have Orochimaru's knowledge on Sealing to isolate the Hokage from the Anbu, and the vast majority of the Uchiha are weaker than the Anbu. Like the ONLY way for Uchiha to win is to get Kotoamatsukami to work on Hiruzen as he is much stronger than everyone else at that point. And sorry but no way would the Uchiha wants Orochimaru by their side, they want to overthrow Konoha, but they dont disagree with the Orochimaru is an international criminal who wants kekkai genkai
I've always wondered. How does genetics work in the Naruto-verse? Are the clans (e.g. Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuuga, etc.) constantly inbreeding? You literally can't grow a clan or maintain a high population without breeding outside of your family. Otherwise, a couple of generations of marrying 1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins will cause genetic deformities. In order for this not to happen, the Dojitsus or special chakras should act as super dominate gene that completely takes over any recessive gene leaving just two dominate genes. Meaning that breeding with anyone outside one's clan will always result in children who are considered full clan members and can activate the clan's special powers. Unfortunately, this can't be the case because of Boruto and that one guy with just one Byakugan in one eye. Since breeding outside the clan weakens the special abilities then there is only one option left that can explain this. It must be the case that the humans in Naruto are drastically different biologically than humans in our reality. They must either be completely immune to the consequences of inbreeding or, like Lions, their genes must be highly resistant to inbreeding. That's kind of gross when you start thinking about this too much, LMAO.
I believe the biggest bonus for the Uchiha that wasn't really accounted for was the surprise factor of the coup. Since the top members of the clans and of the Konoha forces would be the earliest targets to throw any chance of a counterattack into disarray. If done properly it would give them a major advantage or just straight up give them the win early on. So I would say with the early positioning would go something like this: Hiruzen < Fugaku and some elite Uchiha Might Guy < Shisui (Kotoamatsukami - To Fight because how many people would be able to release a genjustsu on somebody who is 7th gating peoples asses at incredible speeds but to run if that is more practical) Danzo/Root < Orochimaru Obito is harder to place since he has a few places he could be 1. Talk no jutsu Kakashi like he tried to do in the war arc (could be done before the coup if he thought it would work) 2. Hiashi Hyuga 3. Help with Hiruzen 4. Kurama (but this could also be any high level sharingan user Mikoto? Itachi? Unknown dude 7293?) Itachi would then get whoever Obito didn't get or any other important targets like the "communication center" of Konoha the Yamanaka clan Other elite Uchiha targets/ secondary targets / or just wait for them to go on a mission Asuma Inoshikacho Kurenai Clan Heads Yamato (if even on their radar since he is hiding within the root) High level Anbu/Root
Well Nick one point to consider is that if Uchihas can recruit Obito they probably could hire the Akatsuki ( specifically Nagato) and convince other hidden villages with promise of fertile land or resources ( like Konoha Crush).
This is true but at this point the Akatsuki were extremely low key. No one knew about them. It wasnt until 6 years later that people like Jirya started to notice thier existence.
@@Hater20X Orochimaru had already joined the Akatsuki by this point in the story, and Jiraiya was following Orochimaru. He knew about the Akatsuki. However, you are correct in saying most people didn't. You know who WOULD, though?? Fugaku. The leader of one of the strongest clans in the world, and the head of the coup.
Was Shisui really under Danzo? In the Light Novel I know he is a Jonin of Konoha--not a member of the Military Police Force. He then goes to Hiruzen on his own accord and informs him about the happenings in the clan. Hiruzen then gives him a special ANBU position where he need only report to him. Danzo, in fact, tells Hiruzen that he would like more control over Itachi (which he gets) since Hiruzen has his own insider amongst the Uchiha, whilst he doesn't. I know the anime showed something different but I think the LN is probably a more reliable source.
That was pretty much my thoughts on the situation the Uchiha did have enough fire power to take care of the higher level fighters, but not enough manpower to handled the rest of the Village. When it comes to a traditional rebellion the Uchiha only have two options: 1.) unleash the Ninetails, and eliminate all the people that stand a chance at sealing the fox. With no one to stop the fox It doesn’t matter how many ninja konoha has. 2.) make allies with a bunch of other clans. If they can get only a small handful of the stronger clan in konoha to back them up or stay out of the battle The leafs numbers advantage could become manageable. Although what clans would help the Uchiha, or agree to remain neutral during the rebellion?🤔
Anyone who felt wronged by the village or were open to listening ot the Uchiha. After all they where in the right, they where being abused and mistreated through no fault of their own. They where kicked out of their ancestral homes to be housed in a compound for the village to be better to control and attack at will. They where forced into a job none of them wanted because they were Uchiha. Really most clans would side with them because if it can happen to a co-founder clan of Konoha what chance in hell do these random clans who joined later have? How long before the Yamakana know to much through their spying jutsu. How long before the Aburame use up their usefulness. How long before the Hyuga get to pompous for their own good? If the Uchiha (one of the two founding clans) can be cast out and painted as the villains, any clan can be.
@@TheLastSane1 That’s a good point if the Uchiha where to implant the idea that The other clans have the potential to be segregated and be made a miss treated minority with just rumors there will definitely be at least one or two clan that would join the strongest/ founding clan in konoha. Plus, with Danzo’s long list of atrocious actions being unpunished, and the head of root kidnapping some of the most promising clan members for his Organization the Uchiha would have plenty of material to use for their recruitment plan. On top of this they could use the 3ed hokage’s Bad reputation from the third war, him letting Danzo do whatever he wants, and the recent Orochimaru situation to paint the old man as someone who needs to step down as hokage. The one problem is the 3ed hokage is extremely well liked by the majority of the people, the Uchiha’s reputation meanwhile is it All Time Low, and the if they’re not careful odds are they will lose the element of surprise by recruiting a decent number of clans.
@@TheLastSane1I don’t think any other clan is joining the Uchiha in a coup. You say they were wrongfully treated but the village knows the greatest threat in their history was madera and the Nine tails both of which makes any other clan cautious because of the ties to Uchiha. Like asking if you want to join the group you think bombed half the village…no. And despite Uchihas complains about being police other clans treated them with respect (clear by how they are talked about) and liked they were in charge of the police making the Uchihas hatred of the role not hit home with any of them. You have the benefit of being the audience but in universe not trusting Uchiha makes a lot of sense especially given their unstable emotional state and extreme power from that state. And any coup of just them is doomed to fail badly. Itachi managed to beat every member of the clans fighting force besides Fukaku by himself so on average their fighting force isn’t that strong if he alone killed hundreds. That and they couldn’t beat the senju during the warring states period and now they are facing like 20 clans all of which got a power boost by senju marrying into them. I don’t even think it’d be that close even if everything went their way
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A few things: 1-If obito sides with uchiha then claimed to be madara he couldnhave both inspired his allies and terrorized his enemies just by existing. 2-if the coup is a surprise then the uchiha can time it to attack when the most troublesome ninja are on missions.
The Uchiha would likely still win or atleast one Uchiha would come out on top because remember when Obito first unlocked his MS he took out a whole bunch of anbu jonin from the hidden mist without breaking a sweat. This obito is far stronger so in the case where the top combat powers are either dead or out of the fight Obito would have no problem taking out the rest of the village alone especially if he had Kurama and just told him to kill everyone. The fight would just be a rehash of his fight with those mist anbu except with more people, a far more powerful Obito, and a rampaging Kurama that would take a lot of the attention away from Obito since you can't just let a giant fox launch tailed beast bombs everywhere. If the leaf stall enough for Jiraya to get there then sure he may be able to seal kurama but him stopping Obito isn't going to happen. Obito wouldn't give him the chance to go into sage mode and immediately rush to shove him into the kamui dimension and kill him. Remember the only reason a weaker obito ever got hit was because Minato had flying raijin without that Minato was going to die in that fight and now Obito is even stronger and against Jiraya he's stomping him. Kamui is so busted it isn't even funny.
Jiraya definitely can’t handle this version of Obito. Naruto beats pain with sage mode and Minato says that sage mode isn’t enough to go against yellow mask Obito. Naruto needs 9-tails chakra. By giving Obito to the uchihas it’s just an overkill for the leaf
Why does nobody bring up that enma is kage level and can do justu and I wonder what else he can do and also don’t forget who hirzuen’s teacher was he knows everything about the uchia
@@TheLastSane1 what do you mean and? He is literally summing a kage to help him fight any opponent. How is that not a major help in any battle you get into? Hell look at how helpful kakashi’s dog are in a fight
@@t-god2439 And you know none of the Uchiha have a summon because? Lets face it the writer wrote about the clan being killed off before he ever started filling in their characteristics or powers. The thing is he made the Sharingan so fucking strong in the hands of his secondary protag that a clan full of these people would be insanely hard to beat.
Bro when everyone battling a random Uchiha foot solider uses izanagi to bring shisui, obito, itachi and fugako and everyone else back to life and just repeat everytime someone important dies
Much respect to the Uchiha but they would have no chance against konoha. They would need someone with the EMS in order to pull it off. Also think about it, if the Uchiha really was powerful enough that they could defeat konoha then they would have seized power diplomatically instead of being pushed around by the leadership. There is a reason why the coup would have been a surprise attack, that was their only way to win, even with Itachi and Shisui.
keep in mind sasuke's parents wanted to adopt naruto so you also need to consider would they do it. Mainly his mother who felt it was her duty to look out for naruto from the sidelines due to her friendship with minato and kushi. She cared to pint she tried to adopt him
Please explain this Plothole. When Orochimaru was Fighting Hiruzen he was trying to summon the deceased Kage but we were told that is somone is sealed then they cannot be brought back through Edo tensi. So If Minato Was sealed in the Shinagami's stomach from when he sealed half of the 9 tails within himself, How could Orochimaru Revive him during the Konoha Crush Arc?
That rule hadn't been thought up yet at the time that chapter was written. But we could potentially explain it away as neither Hiruzen or Orochimaru knowing about that particular weakness yet since the latter hadn't mastered Edo Tensei at the time, and neither Hiruzen _or_ Tobirama would've likely even _tried_ to resurrect a sealed-away opponent.
@Larry Foster bro its frustrating when watching a series and you see stuff like that. I mean damn go back and look at your old stuff for reference just so you aren't contradicting yourself
Kishimoto made a lot of things up along the way that doesn't make sense in retrospect, but considering how big the Naruto universe and the story is, some plotholes are inevitable. This is one of them, we just have to accept it.
Depends on whose on each side if the uchiha has madara without hashirama on the field then that’s GG for Konohoa and if konohoa does have hashirama than it’s GG all around cuz no uchiha is handling him alone
@@Williamjacob7789 Did he not resurrect the whole clan for the sake of the video? Cuz if memory serves sasukes family has been dead since the beginning and we only know about them due to flash back episodes so what’s the difference between resurrecting a clan that has almost no screen time outside of story’s and reviving 2 of the most legendary ninjas from this clan and it’s rival clan.
@@alexproctor524 he didn’t resurrect anyone. 😭 This takes place during the time when they were still alive. The video is what if they went forward with the COUP.
@@Williamjacob7789 yes he did lol we’ve literally never seen any canon uchiha outside of the main 5 other than that the clan as a whole has been dead since the show started we only know about the coup and the clan leader from flashback episodes
Technically speaking it doesn't matter if someone can see that Might Guy is under control. With how fast a 7th Gate Might Guy is who would be able to touch him to release the Genjutsu? Or better yet just have Might Guy go 8 Gates and take out Hiruzen and either another top threat or just a BUNCH of rank and file soldiers to even the numbers game. Also Shisui does have 2 eyes. If Shisui is loyal enough to join the cue then I think he would be willing to sacrifice both eyes so in that case you could have both Hiruzen and Might Guy fighting for the Uchiha or just running away immediately to permanently take them out the fight.
@ItsInstant You gotta take Strategy into consideration, who said the move that starts the Coup isnt first killing Hiruzen? Have the Uchiha in the Anbu strike him all at once, he was caught be surprised by Orochimaruenwith a kunai to the neck in the Chuning exams, srill wondering to this day why he held it to his throat when he could have easily killed him there.
Definitely one of your best videos. I definitely enjoyed these fight hypotheticals. I can definitely see you making a viewer increase boom if you did. Can we get a jirayi vs Itachi. 👍🏾
Lol this hypothetical was fun until Izanami/Izanagi got brought in. Jutsus’ a cheat code when you think about it. All the Uchiha would’ve had to do was have a lil meeting before the coup, “hey learn about these two jutsus, don’t use em until the big day” and then *BOOM* now we have Uchihonoha
You're right Konaha is the most densely populated out of the five major villages.. so whenever they said they didn't have any Manpower or they couldn't spare enough Shinobi for a job I immediately scream bullshit
You gotta remember the way Konoha makes money is by shipping their squads to the rest of the country of Fire and beyond. So depending on how many missions are currently out AWAY from Konoha plus keeping enough forces behind to protect the village from threats AND police the populace; Uchiha police force is dead, it is plausible thay there may not be any ppl to spare.
I think it’s close but if you’re giving them Obito you gotta give them Jaryia. Jaryia was keeping tabs on Obito as well as everyone else. Also it does depend on how prepared Danzo was. He wasn’t blind to any possibility of a rebellion, even without Itachi he would have found some spies to get some intelligence. Also regardless by the fact that more of the upper Uchia fighters win, with Danzo he would wipe out as many as the fodder Uchia as possible. So even if they “won” they still lost their whole clan excluding maybe 4 high members with Obito probably set to betray them at any point.
I have always wondered why and how the uchiha clan got massacred by a kid when a pretty sizable chunk of their clan are high level jonins and much more experienced, we dont even know how many of those jonins have the ms.
Major flaw here if the uchiha found out about obito they would deduce that obito was the one who started the 9 tails attack years ago leading to even further uchiha discrimination so Fugaku and the Uchiha could go to konoha higher ups to clear there name and the higher ups would have to answer for there discrimination against them like putting Uchihas back in the leaf and giving them better opportunities. Like if obito tried joining the Uchiha pretty sure everyone would find it sus that he’s an outsider with a whole MS
I think that the massacre was I part for destabilization but also for access to additional Sharingan. Knowing he had spares would remove the worry of using izanagi and izanami. As a further way to ensure his and madara's plan
If this hypothetical truly meant that the coup was a surprise attack, the Uchihas would’ve had key ninja groups taken out as a united front. Having the first few moments of surprise and creating disorder before Konoha could assemble for a counter strike would be essential for the Uchihas to win. The longer the battle goes, the worse it would be for the Uchihas. I don’t see Jiraiya getting back anytime since Obito could have him be very busy or if he did get back, Orochimaru could block him at every turn.
The uchiha couldn’t beat the Senju during the warring states when they were at their strongest. They aren’t beating an entire village that’s had generations of senju boosting other clans plus just sheer numbers. The fact one Uchiha could kill the whole fighting force of the clan also kinda shows the average Uchiha wasn’t that amazing
If the Uchiha have won, then Madara's resurrection would've lead to a revolution for a new faction with the Clan independent of the Land of Fire and possibly start a war against the rest of village. The "new" found regime will partially undo the alliance that was secured to establish the Leaf Village since the founding days, much like the MissingNin pattern going as far back as Indra had when he resented.
one of the scariest parts about all out war with uchiha is that (i imagine at least) people would be awakening mangekyo mid fights as their friends and family are killed in front of them. and while sure they would not be trained with them at that point, it would still make them a lot more terrifying If theres fear of select Jonin standing up to them they could wait for them to leave on a mission or send them on one. Like how guy was outta town during the pain attack Also this is a relatively secret Coup. assassination would (i imagine) play a massive part in getting an early leg up on many of the HVTs they would be fighting in the coup. or they could just send waves of assassins across the city to take care of a high number of modarately strong jonin & chunin (avoiding the hyuga estate given theyd definitely be caught) & if anyone does get caught, theyre uchiha, theres probably only a few in the village that couldnt get trapped in their genjutsu. esp if they only need to be locked down for a short bit for one of that teams assassins to take them out quietly
I feel like 2 things were majorly brushed over on both sides, 1. Many of the Uchiha members would be unlocking mangekyos during the fight as their friends and family died. 2. Gentle fist is kinda busted, and its not mentioned once (also, considering every hyuga is pretty well trained most of them are stronger than the standard ninja, especially with gentle fist included)
The "many uchiha would be unlocking Mongykyo" is total bullshit. The uchiah were killed all the time in front of each other during the waring state periods and 1st 2nd and 3rd ninja world wars and only 4 people in that long ass stretch of time and hundreds of dead friends ever unlocked Mynkegko. Its extremely extremely rare to unlock.
my dude got a new camera or lens because this is sharp, the depth is killer and the colours are *chefs kiss* good job Nick. now onto the video, honestly, i cant disagree with anything you said here, the only nitpick i have is with giving Itachi his MS, but you explained your reasoning and it was fine. but honestly, i think the thing you slept on a bit was the naruto bit, I'm not even sure they'd need to kidnap Naruto, just feign affection for a little while leading up to the coup. much as everyone else though i really hope we get *something* about Fugaku, maybe a short story or something, he went to the academy with Minato right? tie that shit in somewhere
Whether the Uchiha Clan started a rebellion and attacked the Leaf... or if Itachi slaughtered them all... an Uchiha would still declare the Fourth Great Ninja War.
Real
Not exactly, more like mark the beginning of the 4th war.
Because of the fact the rebellion would have left konoha in no state to fight off any of the other great nations in direct combat and expect to keep all of its resources and territory.
Word
False if the uchiha had started a rebellion taken over konaha Obito would've recruited Orichimaru back at some point & either brought rin back or would've been killed himself due to his obsession.
No Obito, no 4th great war.
@@kingoffans899 that's what declare means in that context
Depends on the way they wanted to go about their coup. A coup might not have required murdering all/most other clans. Usually, a coup involves taking out key leadership. My guess is that the Uchiha's would have targeted the Hokage, the council of elders, and a few key warriors, taken prisoners from other families, etc. An all out battle would have probably been their least preferred method.
Agreed, Fugaku said as much during an Uchiha meeting
They literally said we want a bloodless coup which makes me think they will put herizen order something like kotoamasukame or izanagi and just have him step down they would do the same or just kill danzo probably
They still prolly die in most cases bc the konoha leadership knows ab the coup. (At least if it’s in current timeline)
I was gonna comment what you said. I think if the scenario played out like NCHammer said then the other clans most likely wouldn't have challenged the Uchiha, especially if things went smoothly and the 9 tails was causing chaos
Not to mention the fact that they could’ve just gotten Shishui to use koto amatsukame on Hiruzen to get him to step down and name Fugaku as his successor. It’s possible they would need to assassinate Danzo first but it’s also possible that the daimyo of the land of fire would be willing to trust Hiruzen to choose the right man for the job which would result in a bloodless coup
Correction: Jaraiya would have been there,dur to tracking Orochimaru. He was following HIM not the Akatsuki. Its just that Orochimaru joined them.
So if Orocui I'd there then Jaraiya is too.
Where was Jirariya during the chunin exams and Crush leaf mission
@@chriscollins3225 dude we literally saw him fight against the orouchmaru's snakes in konoha crush arc
Obito's parents were dead before he even knew who they were, Obito was raised by his grandmother
His grandmother is not canon I think,
It's anime only.
He was meant to be the Naruto that lost hope.
@@Dk-ie4te oh
That's why he always stops to help grannies with their grocery bags 🛍
@@rexeno brother
Nobody cares
Honestly I've always felt a nation should've attacked Konoha almost immediately after Kurama's attack. The village was vulnerable and it would've given the massacre a better reason for happening.
Not really. If an an entire Nation attacked the Leaf after Kurama's rampage, then the Uchiha would be given more trust to wipe out the Leaf's enemies. The Uchiha would be pissed that they were not given more defensive duties during the Kurama attack so during this surprise war the Leaf would be forced to use the Uchiha as they are some of their strongest weapons. The bond with the Leaf elders and the Uchiha clan becomes stronger due to the Uchiha proving their loyalty for the Leaf during this crisis. They were unable during the Kurama attack but the war will cause the Leaf to be even more desperate otherwise they will face total destruction. The entirety of every Leaf village clan would work together (the Hyuga, Uchiha, InoShikaCho, Aburame, Inuzuka) plus the Anbu and the root working to defend the Leaf. Hiruzen would be focusing more on defense, meanwhile Danzo being evil would finally be a good thing as he would absolutely want to not just obliterate the attackers but to absorb them into the Leaf and to steal their resources and weapons. Also, Jiraiya would be there for this war (unless it's a well planned sneak attack like what the Sand did, but that is unlikely because no one knew Obito would cause a rampage plus other villages will definitely spy on the Leaf to gather info on just how weak they are and then they would use this info to assess whether an invasion is worth it or not, remember the Leaf is the strongest and most rich village). Perhaps, the Leaf may be able to cut a deal with another village to help out as backup or perhaps other villages don't intervene. This worse possible case scenario is the Leaf fighting every other Nation at the same time but I doubt that the other Nations would be able to cooperate together in time to attack. After Kurama attacked, the Leaf was on high alert and would have had their spies check every village for any signs of a potential attack. The Leaf are not stupid. They know that brief moments of weakness equals a greater advantage for their enemies to invade and win so they will spy, cheat and viciously fight their way back to the top.
Konoha still would’ve won lol Hiruzen was still consiythe strongest Kage and the entire Uchiha clan was there. They wouldn’t have been made to sit back while a whole village attacked Konoha
@@dejones803 the uchihas probably dont help them. Simply because they weren’t allowed to help against kurama. Why would they risk themselves for a country that rejects them?
But the other countries still probably loose, unless they join forces then that’s something else
I'm more curious about why nobody invaded the Sand after Konoha Crush.
Their kage was killed along with a good chunk of their Shinobi, plus their jinchuuriki was taken out of commission.
Maybe because the sand held no agricultural value, who knows.
I'm more curious about why nobody invaded the Sand after Konoha Crush.
Their kage was killed along with a good chunk of their Shinobi, plus their jinchuuriki was taken out of commission.
Maybe because the sand held no agricultural value, who knows.
I have mad respect for nick he will straight up use “I want this video to be interesting “ as a reason for his theory that’s mad real
I'd be really interested in a conversation about the possibility that many Uchiha, seeing their relatives and friends killed by Konoha ninja, would also gain the mangekyo(poor spelling) as well. It would start with a small handful but as the war went on, I'd imagine more would form during the war. How would that effect things?
Its mangekyou
@@dragonitekai746 His penis should not be that far down your throat 😂
I agree and multiple uchiha could awaken ms frm the same deaths so it wouldn’t take long for majority of uchiha to awaken it
Wait I thought getting an ms has to do with you playing a part in the death rather than just watching them die, I think a lot of sharingan users would have awakened, yes, but I don't think an outrageous amount of ms users would be made too
@@dedrik1461 Nah its strictly the extreme emotion of them dying. The reason itachi had to kill shisui is cause itachi wouldnt have felt as much pain if he just lost shisui in battle, he had to physically kill him and essentially hate himself for doing it.
Personally I think the Aborame's would have given the Uchiha's a run for their money, the only genjustu that has ever been shown to be useful against their bugs is Itachi's sukiomi, even the Kuruma clans strongest genjustu didn't work on the bugs of a clan member as weak as Shino (at the time he was a genine) and Itachi can't exactly spam sukiomi.
Your forgetting the Uchihas fire would burn the Aburames bugs, so I think the Nara clan would of been the most trouble if you don’t count Jiraya
@@kngnate2654 considering all these clans would jump ontop of the Uchias and overwhelm them with posion, showdow possession, gentle fist, expansion jutsus, and dogs the Uchia really had no way of ever winning. The best they could hope for is killing the Leaf villages leaders and disabilazing it but the Uchia would all be dead for that.
Sukiomi, lol.🤣
@@thegreatahgou6100 yeah… my mind went to, well, not Tsukuyomi… but something else… but hey… that’s not the only thing they got wrong. Maybe they stuck in that SukiOhMay??? 🤣
The bugs dont have to be outside the user to distrupt genjutsu
Two things: I don't think they would have to kidnap Naruto. He was neglected, abandoned and alone. They could've brought him into the fold as a son raised with Sasuke and Itachi and he would've stuck beside the only family he's ever known and we know how fiercely loyal Naruto is.
They also had the option of creating an army of EMS users by forcing their stronger members to awaken their mangekyo and then taking the eyes. Technically any Uchiha can awaken a mangekyo and then get EMS given the right circumstances.
Didn't Mikoto try to adopt Naruto but Danzo opposed? I think it was mentioned in Itachi's novel but I'm not sure
@@SusieBlup wait, that really happen ?
@@tribopower yeah Mikoto was friends with Kushina
@@tribopower In the light novel, yes, if you consider it canon
@@jacksonaaron103084 I wonder if Kushina and Mikoto ever had lesbian sex
So basically , the only way the Uchiha had a chance is by giving them every handout possible
Basically. Because they are extremely outnumbered. Just they Hyuga clan or the Aburame clan can hold thier own against the Uhiha considering they have done it beofre during the waring states period. You combine the Hyuga and Aburame with all the other clans in the village and the Uchia would be wiped out faster than What Obito and Itachi did.
@@Hater20X hell naw stop the cap
@@chriscollins3225 they likely could through most uchiha would fall to a middle shinobi using shadow para without looking into their eyes like... Sure the uchiha were dominant in the waring states but the uchiha to break from mind techs or shadow para would have to blind one of their eyes or out number which they could not do.
Uchiha: Keep spamming our mind control guys! There’s no way they’ll be prepared for that
•Kurama Closes his eyes
Uchiha:….oh no! He was prepared for that
😂
Shisui: My time to shine. (Kurama suddenly believing he has always loved the Uchiha and is fighting to protect them from the evil Konoha)
@@TheLastSane1 Actually, that would’ve been super cool!
keep in mind, hiruzen would start with a very strong psychology unlike the battle he had with orochimaru
not to mention orochimaru said hiruzen had he been 10 years younger wouldve stomped orochimaru,
this would mean hiruzen is far above everyone he faces
The Uchiha's literally had to go through so much trauma, to achieve power
Yea cuz they're written to gain power through trauma they're the only.clan with that ability to gain potent power through trauma.
I originally wasn’t a big fan of how they handled the Madhara(sp?) & Obito relationship and plot
Because I thought it was a huge stretch that Madhara would just so happen to choose an unremarkable Uchiha child to recruit for his plan
. . .& luckily for him Obito just happened to turn out to be one of the most powerful Uchiha members
But then I realized Madhara wouldn’t really need to know which Uchiha kids would turn out to be powerful,
or what powers they would develop
. . . Because,
Uchiha’s develop power from suffering emotional pain.
So Madhara could pick any random Uchiha kid,
& as long as he makes sure to subject the kid to immense suffering and heartbreak
. . .he knows which ever Uchiha kid he picks can become incredibly powerful,
as long as he set the kid up to experience heartbreak and suffering over & over again
Just finished the vid, DUDE you're a next-level fkn weeb. I mean that with the UTMOST respect, I'm incredibly impressed with your commitment to this story. About to do a deep dive on your channel, thanks for investing so much time into the Naruto universe. You have significantly deepened my appreciation for my favorite anime
The only way for the Uchiha to have some what won and still be a handful of them alive, is for them to form an alliance with another village and defect there, the ideal village would be the cloud village bekuz they are comparable to the leaf in terms of strength. But taking out the higher ups in the hidden leaf and assuming command would've resulted in a civil war within the village bekuz of the other clans loyalty to the village itself and the Hokage. Regardless a ninja war would've came to be either way
Honestly they probably wouldn't need another village given the Hyuga were ripe for a civil war if somebody could figure out how to dispel the mark on the lower clan.
Have we ever seen a half Uchiha, half Hyuga? I wonder what their eyes would be and what abilities they'd have.
Sarada,himawari
They would have one sharingan and one byakugan, meaning that they could snipe people with genjutsu from miles away
@@furiousfusion7890 But they'd never be able to awaken a Mangekyo Sharingan, so _there's_ the downside. If you can call it a downside, that is, since the payoff for even _getting_ a set of MS is basically to give yourself PTSD... not worth.
@@anthonylamonica8301 they would be able to. It would just be in one eye so they wouldnt have the susanoo. Still though, any mongekyo ability would be amazing with the byakugan (ex: amaterasu snipes, tsukyomi snipes, ect)
If the child is lucky then they would get one Sharingan and one Byakugan. They would have the strengths of both bloodlines. However, it is possible that the child only awakens just the Sharingan or just the Byakugan. Boruto is half Hyuga and half (Namikaze, Uzumaki, Senju). He was unlucky in that the genetic lottery did not bless him with a Byakugan due to the half of him he gets from Naruto does not have the Byakugan. Him getting a Jougan is different because Naruto and Hinata make an Otsutsuki child (minus the Uchiha DNA).
Sarada is lucky because she actually was blessed with the Sharingan considering she is only half Uchiha. Sasuke is a full Uchiha and Sakura is only Uchiha by name and not DNA. The Uchihas of the past had far more stronger Sharingan potency due to not having their bloodline diluted too much. For example, Indra awakened a fully evolved Sharingan instantly and when he acquired his mangekyo he instantly got a complete perfect Susanoo with wings. Meanwhile, the Uchiha born after Indra had to slowly evolve their Sharingan and slowly grow out their Susanoo (that's if they were lucky enough to gain one) by furthering their psychological trauma so that their brain produces and releases more of the special chakra into their eyes that further evolves the Sharingan.
Something I feel that has been forgotten is that as the battle progresses many Uchiha will prbly unlock ms, giving them huge buffs in fighting ability as well as ms abilities such as Amaterasu, Susanoo and many other abilities, which may not spell all out victory but would definitely give the Uchiha a huge buff
Yeah, there is that... when they see their own homies dying in front of them, even the weakest chunin/jounin would low-key be anbu+ with a ms
Yea right so it wud have had to been a massacre like it was cuz the longer it wage the more it favor Uchiha even if it dropped to like 4 Uchiha at that point that wud all b Madara level crazy lol
@@damonlaw8218 Madara was special, I doubt they would gain so much power
Totally agree! Remember the time when obito who is just an average ninja awakened the sharingan, it gave him a significant power boost. What more if normie uchiha foot soldiers with basic sharingans awakened MS? It would sway the tides on their side.
It took Itachi and Sasuke time to master and refined their abiltiies thus any who do get mangekyou sharingan are going to be useless.
Whenever I see a group picture of the Akatsuki, i always think, Pain sent a group chat/ Gedo statue message saying,
"Meet at 9 for the team picture, don't be late. PS Bring a Jinjuriki with you "
Lets look at some plot holes here
1. its been stated that a very small amount of uchihas actually awake the sharingan , let alone 3 tomoe sharingans, so lets assume that there are about 200 uchihas with sharingans and 100 with 3 tomoe sharingans, hence after the battle with the hyuga only about 100-110 uchihas would survive out of the entire clan.
2. since we've just assumed about itachis ms lets not consider it , cause he probably wouldnt have had it by then,
3. you absolutely missed the aburame here, considering danzo atleast knows about shishui, Guy wouldnt be fighting him, it would be someone else just to create a diversion while 1 of 100s of aburame just sneaks and finishes the job(maybe with the help of a nara clan member)
4. why did we assume that no other uchiha would be allied with danzo, or else danzo wouldnt know about the coup, he could simply summon jiraya if he knew even a little bit. So the battles would be Itachi(without ms) vs kakashi. guy vs fugaku, jiraya and hiruzen vs obito and kuruma , and shishui would be dead or paralysed.
also obito does not hold any alligence to the uchiha , he would simply desert them if the tides were turned
The uchiha massacre would still be Uchiha Massacre but even sasuke would be dead.
We should not underestimate fugaku uchiha since he also was considered a hokage candidate even tho he wasn’t the favorite,he probably would have a full MS sharingan with most of his abilities at his. Disposal and when itachi took him out he never intended to fight back,if he decided to put a fight i could bet the story would b different of what we know..
we all assume that a strong Uchiwa have a Mangekyou, but he doesn't have to, clan leader in his mid forty i guess, he must have a lot of experience and maybe he's just very strong in taijutsu with a base sharingan to make it even better, knows a lot of jutsu because he can learn them easilly like Kakashi
I still find I hard to believe that the Uchiha clan was really that powerful if they were wiped by two Uchihas. Yes those two were strong however, as you said, there were hundreds of Uchihas. No way the Uchiha clan would've successfully taken over Konoha if they couldn't beat two people.
it was unexpected plus itachi and sasuke's dad wasn't fighting he acctepted his fate and shisui was dead at that time
I mean if 2 people went up against a well trained spartan army of hundreds, but those 2 people were modern-day soldiers with access to modern tools of war, who are you placing your bets on?
They where not expecting the attack and the two were very swift and efficient. Itachi is incredibly skilled one of the top members of the clan and he assassinated most before they where aware of what was going on or WHO the threat was. There were probably several of their jounin who were ready for a fight but didn't see Itachi as a threat till he cut them down. Its one of the benefits of using one of their own to attack them, its completely unexpected and they will be seen as an ally until they strike.
@@patriktragor7336 unexpected makes them sound worse. You are a ninja clan who form the police for your village and you are caught off guard?
That speaks volumes to how terrible they were.
@@isidoromorale5949 I guess then that 2nd raikage and tobirama were bad too since they got assassinated
Hi Nick, great video but I think that you missed one detail which is that Fugaku never wanted a full on war against konoha he even said that he could control Kurama but didn't want to. His plan was to kill Hiruzen, Danzo and the two elders to have a change in leadership.
The fact that so much Shinto lore was invested into Itachi's Susanoo and MS abilities kind of makes me think that: A) other MS abilities weren't planned for initially and B) other Uchiha being in the story weren't planned for initially. I know the Yata mirror and Totsuka sword weren't really fleshed out until much later, but Susanoo, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi being linked to the Shinto myth of Izanami and Izanagi's underworld adventure makes things like Kamui and Kotoamastukami seem out of place. Maybe I'm wrong and both of those are related to Shinto myths that I'm not familiar with and I'm open to corrections, but just something I think about from time to time.
I recommend you watch old swagkage videos about each MS ability and it's backgrounds, also look into the rinnegan, pretty sure its based of the hindu reincarnation realm of samsara (might be wrong on the specifics of that one but its still interesting to know)
The answer to who would win is simple. The hidden cloud. After a battle which takes out most of the strongest warriors on both sides and makes the village far more vulnerable than it has ever been the Cloud comes in and no diffs whoever is still alive.
Fugaku did mention that he wanted a bloodless coup,and they have been planning this coup for a long while so I would imagine that they wouldn't just outright turn the streets of Konoha into a Battlefield,they being the police of Konoha would probably have information of every single important individual in the village,their residence,place of work and added to that surveillance ,they also have laid out tactics and have a strategy on how they would carry it out,while Konoha would be caught by surprise,unplanned and not a single idea of when and where it would take place given that Itachi and Shisui would be on the Uchiha side,I would imagine a situation where key structures are secured and key individuals are taken into custody or subdued immediately without alerting the rest of the village ,storming the Hokage HQ would be the ultimate goal,given how Hiruzen is a Pacifist he'd immediately surrender his office,get the Anbu to backdown and Danzo would with his root go underground as terrorists to overthrow the new Uchiha run Konoha.
Or if it comes down to battle,The Uchiha would be more organised and well led and most likely have laid out plans on how to carry a battle of this sort and for Konoha they'd need to first organise and improvise counterattacks and that could mean lots of casualties as they play right into any traps the Uchiha would've laid out,I see a victory for the Uchiha in the sense that other clans would take time to mobilise and mostly Hiruzen not wanting more blood to be shed surrendering or signing an armistice in Fugaku's favour before they incur more casualties
Fun fact: Obito Uchiha was an orphan so his parents could not have died in the Uchiha massacre. see 11:25
Uchiha Clan theories are fun to watch
Everyone fighting for there life meanwhile
shisui :' yeh so you just run in that direction forever that's pretty much it yeh
I think Chojis clan can put up a good fight against a few susanos
Also Inos clan can mind control people on the Uchiha side
damn almost 400k subscribers been here since 20k much love bro keep up the vids
When are we going to get a new membership video? I want more IRL stuff! Haven't had one in a very long time.
Here's a video idea:
What if Might Guy would become Hokage.
He was never in context of becoming one bc he is frankly not serious enough in his day-to-day business.
But what if Lee dies against Kimimaro? Would that change him to the point to be in contention for the title?
watching you're videos inspired me to read the manga after having finished the anime its been really fun thanks nick, great video by the way
same
You'd have to be a special brand of stupid to think Itachi could somehow solo Konoha, and honestly a special brand of incompetent to write that he soloed every fight ready member of his own clan. However dumb it is though, he was written to have wiped out the clan so presumably Konoha as a whole takes the W.
I disagree, NC the problem is you don't seem to have considered the hundreds or even thousands of ninja that are simply unnamed but could exist. Naruto does a very poor job of filling out all of the military ranks and positions within each village. There could well exist ninja that are stronger than Might Guy or Kakashi within the village that were simply not in the story because they did not have a close connection to any of the main characters. For example the village chief would have had a large number of bodyguards and its likely that they would have been the strongest ninja in the village, yet they were not mentioned in the story. There would have also been battlefield commanders and leaders that should have been stronger than teachers/tutors and were simply skipped from the story because it already had a very large cast.
Nick in 4k 🤔 this seems like its thee now a days vision 😳 😂
Given that Itachi killed every Uchiha member essentially by himself, the only notable additions are Orochi, Fugaku, Shisui and Obito vs the Leaf. I don't think that's close, tbh. Itachi is unlikely to have MS without Shishui. I just don't see it, but I'm a casual. If we use end-story power scaling, yes. But with all the end-game power scaling, Madara should have overtaken the leaf after Hashi died. Kishi really wrote an unbalanced story that began very balanced which is what made it cool.
Tbf giving the Uchiha’s Obito who wasn’t living in the village is a game-end right there.. no one in the leaf (maybe except hiruzen) is even remotely close to Obito and has a counter play against kamui.. there are many arguments pitching yellow mask Obito (without Kurama) against the Shanin and Obito still wins.. remeber Naruto defeats Pain Minato thinks the yellow mask Obito and he says to Naruto “yep sage mode not enough you need 9-tails chakra powers” and sage mode Naruto is far stronger than everyone in the leaf (maybe again except this younger version of Hiruzen).. only Obito should be enough LOL.. and on top of that you are giving freaking Itachi and 2 other MS user where Kotoamatsukami (not sure about spelling ) is an option? The leaf stands 0 chance..
@@mariosplaysszz6261 Obito at that point in his career should have been garbage (he wasn't, but the logic of him making a jump from scrub/ no skill to near-4th Hokage level is absurd). Even with that, 4th beat him. You are referencing Obito vs Pain which is essentially 2 decades later. It isn't the same league.
Itachi wouldn't have MS. Fugaku lost to Itachi (though with MS). Shishui has 2 uses of his MS per decade, and the Hyuuga could disrupt it, IIRC.
Again, if it was THAT easy, the Uchiha would not have been outcasts to begin with. Further, Madara would have stomped the village after Hashi died.
@@cameronno6039 some misconceptions… let me debunk these:
yes the 4th beat him, but he is on a completely different level than anything the leaf village has right now..
in his video he is giving Itachi the MS..
and also in the Pain fight Minato only knows yellow mask Obito from their encounter back then.. so what he says to Naruto applies to yellow mask Obito..
Fukagu never lost to Itachi he didn’t even fight him.. he didn’t want to have a bloodlust battle against his son
The Madara thing I think is just inconsistent writing.. and irrelevant to this discussion topic..
Yes the Uchiha were outcasts this has nothing to do with their power though.. they also never had MS Shisui with MS Itachi and Obito together.. Shisui was a spy for Danzo..
In the OG timeline Obito isn’t there, Itachi doesn’t have MS and Shisui is a spy for Danzo..
Giving Obito to the Uchiha’s is a big boost and an overkill for the leaf.. his scenario is more of a what if scenario.. what if these 4 Uchiha worked together..
I would advise you to watch some powerscaling videos by swawkage and Seth the programmer they really dive deep into yellow mask Obito’s power.. he is at the top of the verse already (currently living individuals only of course not all time lol) and on this fight you have MS Itachi on top of that.. along with MS Shisui and Fukagu.. yeah leaf loses this one lol..
There is also a great video by Six of how Itachi beats the 3rd Hokage so yeah the leaf gets stomped here..
Obito's character is trash. It was just written for Hax as opposed to Madaras which always made sense (how beast Madara was should not have been real, but each step made sense with how the story was told).
Itachi fighting Hiruzen would have been fun to see. With the original story dynamic, I do not know who wins.
Wrong itachi only killed the women and children, obito handled the men and more powerful ones
This camera position is kinda unsettling
A few things I thought of:
- Obito may not be sided with Uchiha, but at least won't be with Konoha either.
- Given that in these circumstances no one would see it coming, the Uchiha would have enough time for preparation. That preparation would include potentially getting allies outside Konoha and making sure that the strongest of their enemies don't pose a threat. This could be done by either creating false alarms far away from the village (hell, just kidnap Naruto and yeet him into the middle of nowhere, yes, I think that'd be better than getting Kurama out and then hoping you can control him) so that the top shinobi would go on missions to investigate them, or do it the Itachi way and just wipe a bunch of people clean at night when they're not ready to fight back.
- It's not a far stretch to think that some other clans and/or people would join them in this operation too. I can't quite tell who that would be other than maybe Hyugas (which would just turn everything in their favor in a heartbeat), but it's not as far from possibility as you may think.
- A lot of the Uchiha would likely awaken sharingan/MS/EMS during the fights, by either seeing clanmates die or literally killing their own friends cause that's how those bloody eyes work. And who knows if they're not gonna invent a new broken ability that we haven't seen before?
- Given that Orochimaru is most likely sided with Uchiha and everything is planned out he can also bring a few of his experiments. Not saying they'd take out top tier people but they could do some work for sure.
Ultimately, I think it comes down to how well the Uchiha would be prepared: if they took their time with a well thought plan they could very much pull it off.
A Konoha Crush with Uchihas instead of the Sound Village...
I don’t think no one would see it coming. Itachi was their mole but without him they still don’t trust the Uchiha. They would still be spying on them. I don’t think any of the clans would side with the Uchiha. Specially against what would seem like a very uphill battle.
Damn bro, your new stream lights look good
Am I the only one who thinks that Fugaku has amaterasu as well? It kinda makes sense since Itachi and Saske both had this ability in with their MS.
Sasuke can use amaterasu because he has itachis eyes 👀
@@liampetruch6693
My guy he awakened Amaterasu before the transplant 💀
Honestly whenever Konoha gets attacked they have a lot of fodder and like 4 really powerful ninjas 🥷
I can see Danzo manipulating the Uchiha Clan to fight until they all go extinct.
My thought is it's winnable... if it remains a *coup*, not a war. Not total numbers, but, "Hey, we killed Hiruzen, Danzo, and some of the other jonin, but we don't want to wipe out *any* of you, so now that the old boss is dead we're the only ones strong enough to lead Konoha, stand down."
The thing is killing Hiruzen itself is already one hell of a problem because they dont have Orochimaru's knowledge on Sealing to isolate the Hokage from the Anbu, and the vast majority of the Uchiha are weaker than the Anbu.
Like the ONLY way for Uchiha to win is to get Kotoamatsukami to work on Hiruzen as he is much stronger than everyone else at that point.
And sorry but no way would the Uchiha wants Orochimaru by their side, they want to overthrow Konoha, but they dont disagree with the Orochimaru is an international criminal who wants kekkai genkai
If guy is already in the gates he would be immune/ resistant to genjutsu due to the gates having wild chakra flow thus braking him out automatically
I've always wondered. How does genetics work in the Naruto-verse? Are the clans (e.g. Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuuga, etc.) constantly inbreeding? You literally can't grow a clan or maintain a high population without breeding outside of your family. Otherwise, a couple of generations of marrying 1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins will cause genetic deformities. In order for this not to happen, the Dojitsus or special chakras should act as super dominate gene that completely takes over any recessive gene leaving just two dominate genes. Meaning that breeding with anyone outside one's clan will always result in children who are considered full clan members and can activate the clan's special powers. Unfortunately, this can't be the case because of Boruto and that one guy with just one Byakugan in one eye. Since breeding outside the clan weakens the special abilities then there is only one option left that can explain this. It must be the case that the humans in Naruto are drastically different biologically than humans in our reality. They must either be completely immune to the consequences of inbreeding or, like Lions, their genes must be highly resistant to inbreeding. That's kind of gross when you start thinking about this too much, LMAO.
In other words, the Uchiha Clan would still cause havoc and chaos.
I believe the biggest bonus for the Uchiha that wasn't really accounted for was the surprise factor of the coup. Since the top members of the clans and of the Konoha forces would be the earliest targets to throw any chance of a counterattack into disarray. If done properly it would give them a major advantage or just straight up give them the win early on.
So I would say with the early positioning would go something like this:
Hiruzen < Fugaku and some elite Uchiha
Might Guy < Shisui (Kotoamatsukami - To Fight because how many people would be able to release a genjustsu on somebody who is 7th gating peoples asses at incredible speeds but to run if that is more practical)
Danzo/Root < Orochimaru
Obito is harder to place since he has a few places he could be
1. Talk no jutsu Kakashi like he tried to do in the war arc (could be done before the coup if he thought it would work)
2. Hiashi Hyuga
3. Help with Hiruzen
4. Kurama (but this could also be any high level sharingan user Mikoto? Itachi? Unknown dude 7293?)
Itachi would then get whoever Obito didn't get or any other important targets like the "communication center" of Konoha the Yamanaka clan
Other elite Uchiha targets/ secondary targets / or just wait for them to go on a mission
Asuma
Inoshikacho
Kurenai
Clan Heads
Yamato (if even on their radar since he is hiding within the root)
High level Anbu/Root
Well Nick one point to consider is that if Uchihas can recruit Obito they probably could hire the Akatsuki ( specifically Nagato) and convince other hidden villages with promise of fertile land or resources ( like Konoha Crush).
This is true but at this point the Akatsuki were extremely low key. No one knew about them. It wasnt until 6 years later that people like Jirya started to notice thier existence.
@@Hater20X Orochimaru had already joined the Akatsuki by this point in the story, and Jiraiya was following Orochimaru. He knew about the Akatsuki. However, you are correct in saying most people didn't. You know who WOULD, though?? Fugaku. The leader of one of the strongest clans in the world, and the head of the coup.
Was Shisui really under Danzo? In the Light Novel I know he is a Jonin of Konoha--not a member of the Military Police Force. He then goes to Hiruzen on his own accord and informs him about the happenings in the clan. Hiruzen then gives him a special ANBU position where he need only report to him. Danzo, in fact, tells Hiruzen that he would like more control over Itachi (which he gets) since Hiruzen has his own insider amongst the Uchiha, whilst he doesn't. I know the anime showed something different but I think the LN is probably a more reliable source.
That was pretty much my thoughts on the situation the Uchiha did have enough fire power to take care of the higher level fighters, but not enough manpower to handled the rest of the Village.
When it comes to a traditional rebellion the Uchiha only have two options:
1.) unleash the Ninetails, and eliminate all the people that stand a chance at sealing the fox. With no one to stop the fox It doesn’t matter how many ninja konoha has.
2.) make allies with a bunch of other clans. If they can get only a small handful of the stronger clan in konoha to back them up or stay out of the battle The leafs numbers advantage could become manageable.
Although what clans would help the Uchiha, or agree to remain neutral during the rebellion?🤔
Anyone who felt wronged by the village or were open to listening ot the Uchiha. After all they where in the right, they where being abused and mistreated through no fault of their own. They where kicked out of their ancestral homes to be housed in a compound for the village to be better to control and attack at will. They where forced into a job none of them wanted because they were Uchiha. Really most clans would side with them because if it can happen to a co-founder clan of Konoha what chance in hell do these random clans who joined later have?
How long before the Yamakana know to much through their spying jutsu. How long before the Aburame use up their usefulness. How long before the Hyuga get to pompous for their own good? If the Uchiha (one of the two founding clans) can be cast out and painted as the villains, any clan can be.
@@TheLastSane1 That’s a good point if the Uchiha where to implant the idea that The other clans have the potential to be segregated and be made a miss treated minority with just rumors there will definitely be at least one or two clan that would join the strongest/ founding clan in konoha.
Plus, with Danzo’s long list of atrocious actions being unpunished, and the head of root kidnapping some of the most promising clan members for his Organization the Uchiha would have plenty of material to use for their recruitment plan.
On top of this they could use the 3ed hokage’s Bad reputation from the third war, him letting Danzo do whatever he wants, and the recent Orochimaru situation to paint the old man as someone who needs to step down as hokage.
The one problem is the 3ed hokage is extremely well liked by the majority of the people, the Uchiha’s reputation meanwhile is it All Time Low, and the if they’re not careful odds are they will lose the element of surprise by recruiting a decent number of clans.
@@TheLastSane1I don’t think any other clan is joining the Uchiha in a coup. You say they were wrongfully treated but the village knows the greatest threat in their history was madera and the Nine tails both of which makes any other clan cautious because of the ties to Uchiha. Like asking if you want to join the group you think bombed half the village…no. And despite Uchihas complains about being police other clans treated them with respect (clear by how they are talked about) and liked they were in charge of the police making the Uchihas hatred of the role not hit home with any of them. You have the benefit of being the audience but in universe not trusting Uchiha makes a lot of sense especially given their unstable emotional state and extreme power from that state.
And any coup of just them is doomed to fail badly. Itachi managed to beat every member of the clans fighting force besides Fukaku by himself so on average their fighting force isn’t that strong if he alone killed hundreds. That and they couldn’t beat the senju during the warring states period and now they are facing like 20 clans all of which got a power boost by senju marrying into them. I don’t even think it’d be that close even if everything went their way
The new camera setup just shows that this channel is growing and you alongside it. Great stuff to see, happy for your success, and I am always stoked to see what’s next on my feed! Keep it up!!
A few things:
1-If obito sides with uchiha then claimed to be madara he couldnhave both inspired his allies and terrorized his enemies just by existing.
2-if the coup is a surprise then the uchiha can time it to attack when the most troublesome ninja are on missions.
I. I don't know what to say, this is better than anything I could do, keep up the good work and maybe one day I'll be just as good
The Uchiha would likely still win or atleast one Uchiha would come out on top because remember when Obito first unlocked his MS he took out a whole bunch of anbu jonin from the hidden mist without breaking a sweat. This obito is far stronger so in the case where the top combat powers are either dead or out of the fight Obito would have no problem taking out the rest of the village alone especially if he had Kurama and just told him to kill everyone. The fight would just be a rehash of his fight with those mist anbu except with more people, a far more powerful Obito, and a rampaging Kurama that would take a lot of the attention away from Obito since you can't just let a giant fox launch tailed beast bombs everywhere. If the leaf stall enough for Jiraya to get there then sure he may be able to seal kurama but him stopping Obito isn't going to happen. Obito wouldn't give him the chance to go into sage mode and immediately rush to shove him into the kamui dimension and kill him. Remember the only reason a weaker obito ever got hit was because Minato had flying raijin without that Minato was going to die in that fight and now Obito is even stronger and against Jiraya he's stomping him. Kamui is so busted it isn't even funny.
The quality of you video has increased alot. Keep it up.
I'm fairly certain jaraiya couldn't handle even this version of Obito
Jiraya definitely can’t handle this version of Obito. Naruto beats pain with sage mode and Minato says that sage mode isn’t enough to go against yellow mask Obito. Naruto needs 9-tails chakra. By giving Obito to the uchihas it’s just an overkill for the leaf
If u think about it would have been a senju vs uchiha recap
Why does nobody bring up that enma is kage level and can do justu and I wonder what else he can do and also don’t forget who hirzuen’s teacher was he knows everything about the uchia
And?
@@TheLastSane1 what do you mean and? He is literally summing a kage to help him fight any opponent. How is that not a major help in any battle you get into? Hell look at how helpful kakashi’s dog are in a fight
@@t-god2439 And you know none of the Uchiha have a summon because? Lets face it the writer wrote about the clan being killed off before he ever started filling in their characteristics or powers. The thing is he made the Sharingan so fucking strong in the hands of his secondary protag that a clan full of these people would be insanely hard to beat.
Bro when everyone battling a random Uchiha foot solider uses izanagi to bring shisui, obito, itachi and fugako and everyone else back to life and just repeat everytime someone important dies
Much respect to the Uchiha but they would have no chance against konoha. They would need someone with the EMS in order to pull it off. Also think about it, if the Uchiha really was powerful enough that they could defeat konoha then they would have seized power diplomatically instead of being pushed around by the leadership. There is a reason why the coup would have been a surprise attack, that was their only way to win, even with Itachi and Shisui.
keep in mind sasuke's parents wanted to adopt naruto so you also need to consider would they do it. Mainly his mother who felt it was her duty to look out for naruto from the sidelines due to her friendship with minato and kushi. She cared to pint she tried to adopt him
Please explain this Plothole. When Orochimaru was Fighting Hiruzen he was trying to summon the deceased Kage but we were told that is somone is sealed then they cannot be brought back through Edo tensi. So If Minato Was sealed in the Shinagami's stomach from when he sealed half of the 9 tails within himself, How could Orochimaru Revive him during the Konoha Crush Arc?
Lol have you ever watched Naruto it’s writing as it goes sometimes
@@larryfoster8820 yeah Ik. They always portrayed Minato as the strongest Kage during that time too and that clearly isn’t true compared to Hashirama
That rule hadn't been thought up yet at the time that chapter was written. But we could potentially explain it away as neither Hiruzen or Orochimaru knowing about that particular weakness yet since the latter hadn't mastered Edo Tensei at the time, and neither Hiruzen _or_ Tobirama would've likely even _tried_ to resurrect a sealed-away opponent.
@Larry Foster bro its frustrating when watching a series and you see stuff like that. I mean damn go back and look at your old stuff for reference just so you aren't contradicting yourself
Kishimoto made a lot of things up along the way that doesn't make sense in retrospect, but considering how big the Naruto universe and the story is, some plotholes are inevitable. This is one of them, we just have to accept it.
15:55 for that "Strongular Ocular Jutsu" line that I was so sure I heard wrong the first time 😂
Depends on whose on each side if the uchiha has madara without hashirama on the field then that’s GG for Konohoa and if konohoa does have hashirama than it’s GG all around cuz no uchiha is handling him alone
madara and hashirama are dead by this point and reincarnation isn't all that strong by this point in the story
Did you watch the video my guy? 😅 This is during the Uchiha massacre time. They’re dead.
@@Williamjacob7789 Did he not resurrect the whole clan for the sake of the video? Cuz if memory serves sasukes family has been dead since the beginning and we only know about them due to flash back episodes so what’s the difference between resurrecting a clan that has almost no screen time outside of story’s and reviving 2 of the most legendary ninjas from this clan and it’s rival clan.
@@alexproctor524 he didn’t resurrect anyone. 😭 This takes place during the time when they were still alive. The video is what if they went forward with the COUP.
@@Williamjacob7789 yes he did lol we’ve literally never seen any canon uchiha outside of the main 5 other than that the clan as a whole has been dead since the show started we only know about the coup and the clan leader from flashback episodes
Obito said he wanted revenge against his clan but idk if that was a ploy as him being madara
Technically speaking it doesn't matter if someone can see that Might Guy is under control. With how fast a 7th Gate Might Guy is who would be able to touch him to release the Genjutsu? Or better yet just have Might Guy go 8 Gates and take out Hiruzen and either another top threat or just a BUNCH of rank and file soldiers to even the numbers game. Also Shisui does have 2 eyes. If Shisui is loyal enough to join the cue then I think he would be willing to sacrifice both eyes so in that case you could have both Hiruzen and Might Guy fighting for the Uchiha or just running away immediately to permanently take them out the fight.
@ItsInstant You gotta take Strategy into consideration, who said the move that starts the Coup isnt first killing Hiruzen? Have the Uchiha in the Anbu strike him all at once, he was caught be surprised by Orochimaruenwith a kunai to the neck in the Chuning exams, srill wondering to this day why he held it to his throat when he could have easily killed him there.
Hirudora would destroy almost all of the uchiha
Nice set up upgrade Nick! Wish the lens was a bit wider to appreciate the space more but it's looking good man!
Definitely one of your best videos. I definitely enjoyed these fight hypotheticals. I can definitely see you making a viewer increase boom if you did. Can we get a jirayi vs Itachi. 👍🏾
Lol this hypothetical was fun until Izanami/Izanagi got brought in. Jutsus’ a cheat code when you think about it. All the Uchiha would’ve had to do was have a lil meeting before the coup, “hey learn about these two jutsus, don’t use em until the big day” and then *BOOM* now we have Uchihonoha
The new camera looks great! I very much enjoy your content on all channels. Keep it up!!
Dude, I'm so fkn impressed by your Naruto knowledge. I thought I loved this series, you're on a different level
You're right Konaha is the most densely populated out of the five major villages.. so whenever they said they didn't have any Manpower or they couldn't spare enough Shinobi for a job I immediately scream bullshit
You gotta remember the way Konoha makes money is by shipping their squads to the rest of the country of Fire and beyond.
So depending on how many missions are currently out AWAY from Konoha plus keeping enough forces behind to protect the village from threats AND police the populace; Uchiha police force is dead, it is plausible thay there may not be any ppl to spare.
Did you forget you gave the uchiha orochimaru? He could intercept jaraiya on his way to the battle field and hold him off.
I think it’s close but if you’re giving them Obito you gotta give them Jaryia. Jaryia was keeping tabs on Obito as well as everyone else. Also it does depend on how prepared Danzo was. He wasn’t blind to any possibility of a rebellion, even without Itachi he would have found some spies to get some intelligence. Also regardless by the fact that more of the upper Uchia fighters win, with Danzo he would wipe out as many as the fodder Uchia as possible. So even if they “won” they still lost their whole clan excluding maybe 4 high members with Obito probably set to betray them at any point.
Please do konoha 12 vs saskue when they decide to kill him
I have always wondered why and how the uchiha clan got massacred by a kid when a pretty sizable chunk of their clan are high level jonins and much more experienced, we dont even know how many of those jonins have the ms.
Love the new camera setup.🔥🔥🔥
Would be awesome if you could a breakdown of Boruto ch. 75 cause things are getting interesting 👀
Numbers are an advantage except if you're Madara. In that respect numbers are a nice warm up
Major flaw here if the uchiha found out about obito they would deduce that obito was the one who started the 9 tails attack years ago leading to even further uchiha discrimination so Fugaku and the Uchiha could go to konoha higher ups to clear there name and the higher ups would have to answer for there discrimination against them like putting Uchihas back in the leaf and giving them better opportunities. Like if obito tried joining the Uchiha pretty sure everyone would find it sus that he’s an outsider with a whole MS
so ive always wondered... premise of having EMS is getting a siblings eyes correct? now what if siblings just interchange their eyes?
I think that the massacre was I part for destabilization but also for access to additional Sharingan. Knowing he had spares would remove the worry of using izanagi and izanami. As a further way to ensure his and madara's plan
If this hypothetical truly meant that the coup was a surprise attack, the Uchihas would’ve had key ninja groups taken out as a united front. Having the first few moments of surprise and creating disorder before Konoha could assemble for a counter strike would be essential for the Uchihas to win. The longer the battle goes, the worse it would be for the Uchihas. I don’t see Jiraiya getting back anytime since Obito could have him be very busy or if he did get back, Orochimaru could block him at every turn.
Damn nick! New camera or new lighting but the intro had you lookin 🔥🔥🔥🔥 bro!
The new camera quality is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Guy opens 8th gate and fodderizes everyone
The uchiha couldn’t beat the Senju during the warring states when they were at their strongest. They aren’t beating an entire village that’s had generations of senju boosting other clans plus just sheer numbers. The fact one Uchiha could kill the whole fighting force of the clan also kinda shows the average Uchiha wasn’t that amazing
If the Uchiha have won, then Madara's resurrection would've lead to a revolution for a new faction with the Clan independent of the Land of Fire and possibly start a war against the rest of village. The "new" found regime will partially undo the alliance that was secured to establish the Leaf Village since the founding days, much like the MissingNin pattern going as far back as Indra had when he resented.
Totally unrelated, your facial hair on fleek bro💪
Did he say "strongular" ocular??? (Around 15:52ish)
Yes 😂
Itachi & Shisui with Will of Fire proved their worth,
Itachi & Shisui with Curse of Hatred would be so powerful,
one of the scariest parts about all out war with uchiha is that (i imagine at least) people would be awakening mangekyo mid fights as their friends and family are killed in front of them. and while sure they would not be trained with them at that point, it would still make them a lot more terrifying
If theres fear of select Jonin standing up to them they could wait for them to leave on a mission or send them on one. Like how guy was outta town during the pain attack
Also this is a relatively secret Coup. assassination would (i imagine) play a massive part in getting an early leg up on many of the HVTs they would be fighting in the coup. or they could just send waves of assassins across the city to take care of a high number of modarately strong jonin & chunin (avoiding the hyuga estate given theyd definitely be caught)
& if anyone does get caught, theyre uchiha, theres probably only a few in the village that couldnt get trapped in their genjutsu. esp if they only need to be locked down for a short bit for one of that teams assassins to take them out quietly
I feel like 2 things were majorly brushed over on both sides,
1. Many of the Uchiha members would be unlocking mangekyos during the fight as their friends and family died.
2. Gentle fist is kinda busted, and its not mentioned once (also, considering every hyuga is pretty well trained most of them are stronger than the standard ninja, especially with gentle fist included)
The "many uchiha would be unlocking Mongykyo" is total bullshit. The uchiah were killed all the time in front of each other during the waring state periods and 1st 2nd and 3rd ninja world wars and only 4 people in that long ass stretch of time and hundreds of dead friends ever unlocked Mynkegko. Its extremely extremely rare to unlock.
Like the new camera it’s clean my guy 🤌🏼🔥
Somebody give this man a trophy for not making this video 10 seconds long!
my dude got a new camera or lens because this is sharp, the depth is killer and the colours are *chefs kiss* good job Nick.
now onto the video, honestly, i cant disagree with anything you said here, the only nitpick i have is with giving Itachi his MS, but you explained your reasoning and it was fine. but honestly, i think the thing you slept on a bit was the naruto bit, I'm not even sure they'd need to kidnap Naruto, just feign affection for a little while leading up to the coup.
much as everyone else though i really hope we get *something* about Fugaku, maybe a short story or something, he went to the academy with Minato right? tie that shit in somewhere
The way Yal sleep on hiruzen sarutobi is crazy.
The bugs dude who poisoned sishui.....does he do it one person at a time, or can he do a lot of people? Coz he can poison a lot of uchihas at once
Gai and kakashi were 25 at the start of the series so they are about 16-17 at the Coupe