Isn't that Ford Maverick cool? I still remember when those 70s Maverick economy cars were new. The massive transformation of this one into a ground-pounding beast is impressive. Jan
Russell, I was wondering the same thing about that Maverick's impressive run, so I just had a look at my unused wild footage: 44.840 + one cone. My footage of the time clock was really shakey, which is probably why I did not include it in my edited video. Jan
@@chrishultgren777 looks more like the throttle stuck, he had the front wheels turned full lock away from the wall and the rear tires where still pushing it forward, he never let off the throttle until the truck shut off at impact
@@SleepyUncleSam dude just panicked and stood on the brakes end of story. They may have bin poorly proportioned. But he should have 1 looked for a escape route via running over cones and 2 pumped the pedal as soon as the locked up. Stopping almost never works. Best to look for a exit route. Doesn't matter wich way the wheels are turned if they are locked up. The real wheel just weren't locked up and free spinning.
@@dormantmenace I think that he was driving two-footed, one on the brake, one on the gas, got confused at the finish, and never moved his feet over to the left one pedal, to depress the clutch and the brake to be able to stop. It looked like he was stomping on the brake and the gas at the same time. This is why heel-to-toe is the preferred technique, as it keeps your left foot free to quickly operate the clutch.
They should have calculated the maximum possible speed at the end and then added the correct breaking numbers based on the national traffic safety administration's recommended minimums for breaking distance. Bummer.
I agree 100%! Plus the Chevy C10 owner should have installed rear Disc Brakes. If you look carefully his rear tires never stopped turning. In Autocross and Solo 2 you need superior braking power...
Unfortunately they were limited to that lot because the autocross was only part of the major Goodguys Del Mar Nationals Rod & Customs show. It was a massive (very cool) car and truck show. Jan
@@pomonatown7365 - May not have made a difference. Truck's rely on the front brakes more than cars and they locked either as a result of braking too late, gravel on the surface or both, as everyone was sliding at the finish. If the course is designed with a finish heading towards a concrete K-wall, without options if your brakes fail, better to brake early as there are no heroes in Auto-X;-)
These Good guys "autocross" courses are the worst. Why would anyone want to risk their expensive build on a postage stamp sized area surrounded by concrete barriers and filled with every single cone they could find. I just don't get it.
Dude panicked and stood on the brakes. He should have pumped them as soon as they locked up. 2ndly stopping should always be the last resort. You look for a escape route. Stopping almost never works in these situations. He could have ran over literally 100 cones and came out better
Always sad to see someone's hard work and money get destroyed. Thankfully there were no injuries and hopfully there's enough good parts left to build a new truck.
Thanks for your comment, David. These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
Dont know if this is like mine, but if a accidednt happens like this, guessing that the whole event has to be totally stopped, a whole bunch of paper work has to filed out, pictures must be taken of the accident and whatever else. right?
Everyone online thinks they're a Professional race couch driver; not a single person asked if the driver was okay or if there is a repair story to the truck That being said most commentators are right about the wall being within feet of the track cones even for 2024. This year, the track location was a different spot. The spot you see in the video get's submerged when it rains, like this year, and has a lot of cracked asphalt/caked mud, etc. The del mar fair parking lot is below sea level and the water has no where to go.
Good news. The driver was/is okay and competed in the same (repaired) truck at last weekend's GoodGuys "AutoCross" at the Del Mar Nationals. I took some photos there and will post them soon in my "AutoMatters & More" column on AutoMatters.net. I do not shoot videos very often (I mostly shoot still photos, instead), so I do not upload very much to my "AutoMatters & More" UA-cam channel, but I do plan to edit and then post another video here soon. I happened to be recording one of the few videos I shot yesterday when something totally totally wild and unexpected happened during a two-car Formula Drift demonstration run at yesterday's Press Day for the upcoming Acura Grand Prix of Long Beach (IndyCar, Formula Drift, sportscar racing and more). Jan
Good thing the K-walls were there! If not, there would have been considerably more damage as a result. Hope the driver and passenger have since recovered!:-)
@@scoutswimmer14 his gas pedal actually broke and got stuck under the breaks so the harder he pressed the brakes the more it throttled. The guy had the car since near new
Watch the drivers head slap from such a low speed impact. God Bless the HANS Device. At this level of autocross, it might be necessary to require. Especially around so many barriers.
Drew, as I wrote in my replies to other commenters: These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
I agree with you Randy. As I wrote in my replies to other commenters, these sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
As I wrote in my reply to another commenter: These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
@@AutoMatters try to Stopped at the small village and let them cool down. My car was a Pontiac fire bird standard transmission. DOWN SHIFTING HELP ME A LOT .
Understanding that a locked/sliding front wheel won't allow for any directional changes is key to a grasp of vehicle dynamics. The natural reaction to a bad situation is to stomp harder on the brake pedal. Unfortunately in this instance, that had no effect. Quite possibly, the right foot had covered gas and brake, or the driver hit the brake with the left foot instead of the clutch, and the right one hit the accelerator. Tough to see a crash like this. Some of the sites used are just too small to allow for any margin of error.
Same here. I think that he drove the course with one foot on the brake and one on the gas, and forgot to move them over to press the clutch and brake at the finish. This is why heel-to-toe braking is the preferred technique. It keeps your left foot free to quickly operate the clutch, and is less confusing once mastered, rather than the two-footed technique.
When I used to run this course/event in my pretty-much stock 2001 Mustang GT on Goodguys' "All American Sunday" in prior years, I always had a healthy respect for the dangers posed by those concrete walls nearby. Over the years there have been several serious encounters with them, including a very bad crash involving a classic 60s Barracuda the day before (which resulted in a mangled, twisted write-off)? My Mustang had pretty bad handling (a horrible combination of terminal understeer and power-induced snap oversteer), so I was always particularly aware of the potential for crash damage to my street car. Jan
I would think brake bias being you don't want all your stopping power to lock up the rear. You can't tap the brakes and weight transfer it when your break bias is set up right.
That course was terrible. I'm really amazed they would run an event on that course, and with all those concrete barriers so close. Zero shutdown area after the fastest part of the course. Absolutely wrong.
Goodguys has been running basically this same autocross course on this lot for several years. I competed here for several years myself, but I was always very careful. Most drivers do avoid the walls. Jan
Looks like that trucks throttle stuck. Fronts locked up but rears we're still pushing... Maybe brakes had a proportioning valve malfunction at the same time ? Idk odd...
Except the Cuda had a mechanical failure that accelerated him into the wall. Hard to design a course for a car that accelerated full throttle through the stopping zone.
Everybody should know do not use vacuum boosted breaks during a autocross event hydroboost is a must you're on the break so much and on the gas so much you're not making vacuum when you go to hit the brakes at the end you had no vacuum assist
@@125AXer bro look at autocross race prepped cars they all run hydro boost Terminator and Mach One cobras didn't run hydroboost for clearance issues they ran them because they were better than a vacuum boost
Is that the top layer of the glass hood that flys off on impact? Could have killed someone if things weren't there to stop it . Sucks but at least they were ok
Maverick and mustang was fun to lock at what a brute. and vette were the best to watch. pretty sure the corvette races real courses. He's not gonna take the wing off for a 40 second stroll at this thing.
Rags, One of the nice things about amateur motorsports is that they often are "Run what you brung" kinds of events. Whether you compete in an incredibly well-handling, purpose-built competition vehicle or a bone-stock economy car, you may well learn how your car handles at its (and your) limits, which can make you a better and a safer driver. Jan
The pick-up truck looks great are you going to get it fixed or keep it that way??? Use a Honda or some junker to practice with first I would never take a chance of putting my cars out on a course like that it only takes one error and look what you end up with ....
practicing with a honda would make it worse lol going from something lightweight that handles good and can stop to a rwd boat with 5 times the horse power is just asking for problems
Christopher, No, The surface was not slick. I ran it for years in my Mustang GT on All-American Sunday. However, it had some very tight turns which, if you went into them too quickly, could end with a visit to concrete barriers. FYI, GoodGuys just had another event at the Del Mar Fairgrounds this past weekend. For the first time in as long as I can remember, they did not use the same autocross course, or even the same part of the parking lot. I am in the process tonight of writing one of my "AutoMatters & More" columns about that event, for publication - with lots of photos - this week. When you see that, you can decide whether or not their new autocross course is an improvement or not. It certainly looked safer. I only heard one comment, and that person did not like it. My columns are published weekly in various publications and, with the most photos by far, on my "AutoMatters & More" website, here: automatters.net Just click on the blue 2022 box to see all of the columns from 2022, in reverse chronological order. There are around 500 of my over-700 columns posted there, dating back about 20 years. Jan
@@AutoMatters I would imagine they chose less braking on the rear because its a pickup and there's no weight on the rear. I have a brake bias adjuster next to the seat in my race car. At each meeting I stomp on the brakes and adjust it a number of times until each end locks up equally. Every track surface is different and each track will constantly change with the weather or get dustier as the day goes on and tires also change over a race day...There are so many factors that can screw up your braking
@ianbrown9082 That makes complete sense. I wonder if they knew they needed to do that and just forgot, or maybe the track, tires or whatever changed faster than they were expecting. I autocrossed for many years, but never at that technological level. I put on a set of sticky tires and had to keep using them until they wore out. I adjusted tire temps, and shocks on some cars, and tuned with 'competition' sway bars.. As a result, my setups were usually not great. My autocrossing days are over (I'm 70). Now I just take pictures of other people doing motorsports, but the skills that I learned are still making me a better driver than average. Jan
Is this the same where the old white Galaxie lookn car had the same thing happen? I swear this is 2 cars I've seen this week do basically this exact same thing
Doesn't matter what you show up in or your experience level, that is a horrible course design to have such a finish area. There should have been offset pylons or a tight slalom just prior to the finish to force drivers to slow down, and then have the finish headed away from barriers instead of leading right into them if overcook your finish. Crashes are very rare in autocross yet they had 2 serious ones at the same event, both avoidable with a properly designed finish.
It absolutely does matter what you bring. When you have hundreds of horses in a truck that’s 1000lbs underweight your attempt to cheat will make you too light and unable to stop. Likewise, countless other cars stopped.
@@johnmcmullen456 the other crash. Listen to the end, he smashes the gas instead of the brake. No amount of preparation by event staff can mitigate driver error of that level. ua-cam.com/video/D1LnSvEVVN0/v-deo.html
@@scoutswimmer14 I have been in this game a few decades and have helped design courses for SCCA events as a safety steward. You never design a fast finish leading straight into a barrier. Near the finish you add offset gates or a tight slalom to force drivers to slow down, then have the finish as a turn, away from any barriers. Accidents are very rare in autocross events but may result in the loss of the site or cancelled event insurance, especially if injury is involved.Two major accidents at one event may not bode well with this site owner's legal consultants. Oh, BTW, lighter vehicles brake better than heavier ones, all else being equal.
The guy in the Vette had the huge advantage overall and not just because its a Corvette...If anyone notices he's running weighted rear rims...Those keep the power planted and rear settled for smoother transitions than his competitors and the Guy with the Blue chevy...He shouldn't of two footed that truck..You can hear there was torque still being applied to the rearwheels pushing that Chevy right into the K rails like he hit an ice patch..
I have no idea what "weighted rear rims" are but I do know that the driver of the yellow Corvette has been autocrossing for at least 25 years. Everytime I watch these Goodguys autocross videos I cringe seeing how close they run to the walls. That stop box at the finish! My opinion is this gives autocross a bad name. This would never be allowed at an SCCA event.
Audience, all the cars were super nice; however, the blue truck at 5:08 just didn't have all disc brakes. Wow, he just f%&ked his truck up...Wipe out!!!!
As I wrote in my replies to other commenters: These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
Merci pour votre comment, Jean Charles! Ma langue maternelle est l'anglais. Cependant, j'ai réussi à écrire la phrase précédente sans l'aide de Google Translate (anglais vers français), que j'utilise maintenant pour continuer. Veuillez m'excuser pour ma capacité limitée à communiquer en français. J'ai étudié le français il y a environ 50 ans à l'école primaire, quand je vivais en Alberta, au Canada. À l'époque, nous avons appris le français en écoutant de l'audio et en regardant des images fixes de pellicules mettant en vedette la famille fictive Thibault. Jan
@@AutoMatters dozens and dozens of other drivers did it and like with the Cuda, where a throttle got stuck under a break, the amount of shut down area needed Cant reasonably be planned for
Hi Wes, I am glad that you both are okay and that you did not give up on autocrossing. After several decades of autocrossing myself, I retired from doing that a few years ago. I recently posted three photos of what I think is you and your truck autocrossing at the 2023 GoodGuys Del Mar Nationals. Scroll down and look for it towards the end of my post on AutoMatters.net in AutoMatters & More number 789. Here is the link to that post: automatters.net/goodguys-40th-anniversary-celebrated-at-the-del-mar-nationals/ Jan
It's really too bad the driver of the truck didn't have any driving lessons . When you lock your brakes up you cannot turn . So many times racing formula cars I was in that same predicament . I learned that as soon as you lock up your wheels you need to let off on the brakes so you can turn and then re apply . All that has to be done in a split second . This guy had plenty of time to let off on the brakes and steer out of that situation . That decision to stomp on the brakes and hold them down was his downfall. So sad .
Ok, j seen this one and thought shit, another crash at the same event as the Cuda ?? But that makes sense. It was last year. Not that it makes it any better.
They use a different lot at the Del Mar Fairgrounds now. It is not as exciting to watch but it is probably just as much fun and challenging for the competitors to drive.
Thanks Marsha. This is what I used to do for many years. I even autocrossed on this course in previous years, but i have not autocrossed in quite a while since then. Jan
Yes Ed, as I wrote in my replies to other commenters: These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
Correct, no Hans device was worn, as far as I could see. As I wrote in my replies to other commenters, these sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries. I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck. I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur. Jan
@@125AXer well I didn't claim to be an expert so it's possible that I'm wrong here but nothing on that truck is factory including the brakes which are probably oversized wilwoods so when you watch him locking up the brakes the rears are spinning he whole time
@@zydecbro The currently popular burnout is accomplished in most cars by holding the brakes hard while standing still, and smashing the throttle. Brakes are balanced towards the front, a lot. During braking, 70-80% of the stopping power is accomplished by the fronts, due to weight transfer. Really strong rear brakes lock up early, and cause control issues, so they never have enough effectiveness to overcome a strong engine. This truck was still under power. Either driver error, or stuck throttle. Edit: See here for an example... ua-cam.com/video/oYod1Z0kPY8/v-deo.html
If you find your self in that situation turn the wheel in the direction you want to go and let off the brakes and down shift it looked like he only had front brakes if that was the case he shouldn't have been out there
Hi Oscar, Downshifting could be tricky. If revs are not matched, it could be like applying the handbrake. That, combined with turning the steering wheel, could cause a spin. Jan
I hate autocross. It's so hard to ever remember or see where the turns are that you need to memorize like 35 turns. It's slow and you get at most a total of 4 minutes in the car for the whole day. At least it's cheap.
...THAT WHITE MAVERICK THO...!!!
Nice driving too!.
Agreed
Would like to know his time?
Isn't that Ford Maverick cool? I still remember when those 70s Maverick economy cars were new. The massive transformation of this one into a ground-pounding beast is impressive.
Jan
Russell,
I was wondering the same thing about that Maverick's impressive run, so I just had a look at my unused wild footage: 44.840 + one cone. My footage of the time clock was really shakey, which is probably why I did not include it in my edited video.
Jan
Front brakes were locked up, rear wheels were still pushing it into the wall
I noticed that too.
Driver tried to open it all the way up, then panicked and locked it up. 'Bout $50K down the drain.
@@chrishultgren777 looks more like the throttle stuck, he had the front wheels turned full lock away from the wall and the rear tires where still pushing it forward, he never let off the throttle until the truck shut off at impact
@@SleepyUncleSam dude just panicked and stood on the brakes end of story. They may have bin poorly proportioned. But he should have 1 looked for a escape route via running over cones and 2 pumped the pedal as soon as the locked up. Stopping almost never works. Best to look for a exit route. Doesn't matter wich way the wheels are turned if they are locked up. The real wheel just weren't locked up and free spinning.
@@dormantmenace
I think that he was driving two-footed, one on the brake, one on the gas, got confused at the finish, and never moved his feet over to the left one pedal, to depress the clutch and the brake to be able to stop.
It looked like he was stomping on the brake and the gas at the same time.
This is why heel-to-toe is the preferred technique, as it keeps your left foot free to quickly operate the clutch.
You would think they would have a longer run off area for the stop.
They should have calculated the maximum possible speed at the end and then added the correct breaking numbers based on the national traffic safety administration's recommended minimums for breaking distance.
Bummer.
Yeah, you would think
I agree 100%! Plus the Chevy C10 owner should have installed rear Disc Brakes. If you look carefully his rear tires never stopped turning. In Autocross and Solo 2 you need superior braking power...
It happens all the time. They make a small area surrounded by concrete . Most autocross tracks have larger areas where they cone off a course.
Unfortunately they were limited to that lot because the autocross was only part of the major Goodguys Del Mar Nationals Rod & Customs show. It was a massive (very cool) car and truck show.
Jan
@@pomonatown7365 - May not have made a difference. Truck's rely on the front brakes more than cars and they locked either as a result of braking too late, gravel on the surface or both, as everyone was sliding at the finish. If the course is designed with a finish heading towards a concrete K-wall, without options if your brakes fail, better to brake early as there are no heroes in Auto-X;-)
These Good guys "autocross" courses are the worst. Why would anyone want to risk their expensive build on a postage stamp sized area surrounded by concrete barriers and filled with every single cone they could find. I just don't get it.
Being a race car driver is harder than it looks.
I agree. These events should be held at actual tracks. At least you'll travel 50 yards before hitting the wall.
Well said..
That is stupid after it happened one time I would lobby for a common sense change !
Dude panicked and stood on the brakes. He should have pumped them as soon as they locked up. 2ndly stopping should always be the last resort. You look for a escape route. Stopping almost never works in these situations. He could have ran over literally 100 cones and came out better
Always sad to see someone's hard work and money get destroyed. Thankfully there were no injuries and hopfully there's enough good parts left to build a new truck.
Play hard it happens
Thanks for your comment, David.
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
@@AutoMatters take the risk accept the consequences
@@patmartin2730 if you cross the street and get hit by a car appect the consequences
Yeah, let's put a wall 50 feet from a high speed finish line.
Nobody forced them to go out there.
Dont know if this is like mine, but if a accidednt happens like this, guessing that the whole event has to be totally stopped, a whole bunch of paper work has to filed out, pictures must be taken of the accident and whatever else. right?
I'm sure that is true, and Goodguys no longer uses that section of the Del Mar Fairgrounds parking lot for their event autocross.
Jan
Everyone online thinks they're a Professional race couch driver; not a single person asked if the driver was okay or if there is a repair story to the truck
That being said most commentators are right about the wall being within feet of the track cones even for 2024. This year, the track location was a different spot. The spot you see in the video get's submerged when it rains, like this year, and has a lot of cracked asphalt/caked mud, etc. The del mar fair parking lot is below sea level and the water has no where to go.
Good news. The driver was/is okay and competed in the same (repaired) truck at last weekend's GoodGuys "AutoCross" at the Del Mar Nationals. I took some photos there and will post them soon in my "AutoMatters & More" column on AutoMatters.net.
I do not shoot videos very often (I mostly shoot still photos, instead), so I do not upload very much to my "AutoMatters & More" UA-cam channel, but I do plan to edit and then post another video here soon. I happened to be recording one of the few videos I shot yesterday when something totally totally wild and unexpected happened during a two-car Formula Drift demonstration run at yesterday's Press Day for the upcoming Acura Grand Prix of Long Beach (IndyCar, Formula Drift, sportscar racing and more).
Jan
Good thing the K-walls were there! If not, there would have been considerably more damage as a result. Hope the driver and passenger have since recovered!:-)
I think that I saw the rebuilt truck at the same event this past year.
Exactly. A Barracuda also crashed into a barrier right after the stop timer at the same event.
If you listen to the Cuda wreck he throttled into it, never even hit the breaks
ua-cam.com/video/D1LnSvEVVN0/v-deo.html
@@scoutswimmer14 his gas pedal actually broke and got stuck under the breaks so the harder he pressed the brakes the more it throttled. The guy had the car since near new
@@austinrode3974 😭
I just watched that one. Its heartbreaking. What a loss.
Watch the drivers head slap from such a low speed impact. God Bless the HANS Device. At this level of autocross, it might be necessary to require. Especially around so many barriers.
That Ford Maverick did a nice job
John,
I agree. The handling of that Maverick is especially amazing considering that the underlying car is about 50 years old!
Jan
Listen closely it sounds like a hung throttle. Sounds like he was still in it or blipping it before impact.
Good ear, throttle hung for sure
No its just engine brake what you hear.
@@molnarrobert1893 oh so he was down shifting. Bet that was some fancy foot work. On the brakes, heel toe rev matching. Your probably right.
Wow that was like the front tires was on ice. It actually went faster when the tires locked up. Thats a bummer!
Wow did you see how hard his head snapped forward? Body held tight by the harness but the weight of that helmet pulled his head forward more!
Drew, as I wrote in my replies to other commenters:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
He came in like a wrecking ball 😂😂😂
Did you see their heads whip forward then back from the weight of the helmets?
Im getting a Hans device.
I agree with you Randy. As I wrote in my replies to other commenters, these sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
That maverick was wild!!!
Love the snarling Maverick
? Front wheels locked up and rears seemed to be un-braked?
And that folks, is how Dale broke his neck. Scary stuff.
As I wrote in my reply to another commenter:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
Brake faded .
I experienced it at the Sierra madre en Mexico going down hill .
pretty dangerous
Mario,
That would be really scary. How did you get slowed down?
Jan
@@AutoMatters try to
Stopped at the small village and let them cool down.
My car was a Pontiac fire bird standard transmission.
DOWN SHIFTING HELP ME A LOT .
Understanding that a locked/sliding front wheel won't allow for any directional changes is key to a grasp of vehicle dynamics. The natural reaction to a bad situation is to stomp harder on the brake pedal. Unfortunately in this instance, that had no effect. Quite possibly, the right foot had covered gas and brake, or the driver hit the brake with the left foot instead of the clutch, and the right one hit the accelerator. Tough to see a crash like this. Some of the sites used are just too small to allow for any margin of error.
Same here. I think that he drove the course with one foot on the brake and one on the gas, and forgot to move them over to press the clutch and brake at the finish.
This is why heel-to-toe braking is the preferred technique. It keeps your left foot free to quickly operate the clutch, and is less confusing once mastered, rather than the two-footed technique.
When I used to run this course/event in my pretty-much stock 2001 Mustang GT on Goodguys' "All American Sunday" in prior years, I always had a healthy respect for the dangers posed by those concrete walls nearby. Over the years there have been several serious encounters with them, including a very bad crash involving a classic 60s Barracuda the day before (which resulted in a mangled, twisted write-off)? My Mustang had pretty bad handling (a horrible combination of terminal understeer and power-induced snap oversteer), so I was always particularly aware of the potential for crash damage to my street car.
Jan
No rear brakes. One would think about that BEFORE/prior to "race A dang truck" in a close turn course.. LMAO 🤣😂🤣😂
Chevy guys don't think to often
Why would you think that the truck had no rear brakes? The motor was rocking hard, typically rear brakes can't stop against that.
I would think brake bias being you don't want all your stopping power to lock up the rear. You can't tap the brakes and weight transfer it when your break bias is set up right.
That course was terrible. I'm really amazed they would run an event on that course, and with all those concrete barriers so close. Zero shutdown area after the fastest part of the course. Absolutely wrong.
It’s amazing 60 other drivers running harder and much faster stopped……🙄
Goodguys has been running basically this same autocross course on this lot for several years. I competed here for several years myself, but I was always very careful. Most drivers do avoid the walls.
Jan
@@scoutswimmer14 agreed!!!!
Back wheels still turning. Did he not push in the clutch or something?
Looks like that trucks throttle stuck. Fronts locked up but rears we're still pushing... Maybe brakes had a proportioning valve malfunction at the same time ? Idk odd...
Let off the brake, Turn the wheel. That's an expensive rookie move.
Wonder what the time of the Maverick was? Good to see an ol Maverick.
Thanks for the comment. The Maverick seemed to handle very well indeed.
Between this and the Barracuda I say somebody f*****-up the design of the course
Except the Cuda had a mechanical failure that accelerated him into the wall. Hard to design a course for a car that accelerated full throttle through the stopping zone.
That's a bummer but it didn't look like there were any rear brakes.
That was a purrrrty trans am!
Everybody should know do not use vacuum boosted breaks during a autocross event hydroboost is a must you're on the break so much and on the gas so much you're not making vacuum when you go to hit the brakes at the end you had no vacuum assist
Never thought of that...very good point!
Literally tens of thousands of cars have competed in autocross with stock vacuum boost systems. That was not the issue here.
@@125AXer bro look at autocross race prepped cars they all run hydro boost Terminator and Mach One cobras didn't run hydroboost for clearance issues they ran them because they were better than a vacuum boost
How come it's still too hard to understand that you can't steer when you locked up
RIP
Is that the top layer of the glass hood that flys off on impact? Could have killed someone if things weren't there to stop it . Sucks but at least they were ok
Why do people laugh when you wreck your shit? People are mean dude
Really like the appearance and stance of that truck.. shame accident happened.. but that's part of it.. you just never know
Maverick and mustang was fun to lock at what a brute. and vette were the best to watch. pretty sure the corvette races real courses. He's not gonna take the wing off for a 40 second stroll at this thing.
Am I the only one who wants to know what time he got?
Your talking about the Maverick right?
@@irvinetscorn6955 yea the truck
Dang sad thing to see hard work goes down the drain. What’s up with that camaro stock suspension tires etc
Rags,
One of the nice things about amateur motorsports is that they often are "Run what you brung" kinds of events. Whether you compete in an incredibly well-handling, purpose-built competition vehicle or a bone-stock economy car, you may well learn how your car handles at its (and your) limits, which can make you a better and a safer driver.
Jan
Seeing that last truck drivers head whip forward at impact was scary!
Yes it was. That could have ended very badly for him.
Jan
That is a heart breaker.
The pick-up truck looks great are you going to get it fixed or keep it that way??? Use a Honda or some junker to practice with first I would never take a chance of putting my cars out on a course like that it only takes one error and look what you end up with ....
practicing with a honda would make it worse lol going from something lightweight that handles good and can stop to a rwd boat with 5 times the horse power is just asking for problems
Just wondering if the track surface was slick?
Christopher,
No, The surface was not slick. I ran it for years in my Mustang GT on All-American Sunday. However, it had some very tight turns which, if you went into them too quickly, could end with a visit to concrete barriers.
FYI, GoodGuys just had another event at the Del Mar Fairgrounds this past weekend. For the first time in as long as I can remember, they did not use the same autocross course, or even the same part of the parking lot. I am in the process tonight of writing one of my "AutoMatters & More" columns about that event, for publication - with lots of photos - this week. When you see that, you can decide whether or not their new autocross course is an improvement or not. It certainly looked safer. I only heard one comment, and that person did not like it. My columns are published weekly in various publications and, with the most photos by far, on my "AutoMatters & More" website, here: automatters.net Just click on the blue 2022 box to see all of the columns from 2022, in reverse chronological order. There are around 500 of my over-700 columns posted there, dating back about 20 years.
Jan
Why on earth did the corvette have a wing ?????????????????
Looked like a brake balance issue
Hi Ian. Yes, he clearly had trouble stopping. Scary stuff!
Jan
I just watched it carefully again. The front wheels were locked up but the rears kept turning. That would certainly seem to support your theory.
Jan
@@AutoMatters I would imagine they chose less braking on the rear because its a pickup and there's no weight on the rear. I have a brake bias adjuster next to the seat in my race car. At each meeting I stomp on the brakes and adjust it a number of times until each end locks up equally. Every track surface is different and each track will constantly change with the weather or get dustier as the day goes on and tires also change over a race day...There are so many factors that can screw up your braking
@ianbrown9082
That makes complete sense. I wonder if they knew they needed to do that and just forgot, or maybe the track, tires or whatever changed faster than they were expecting. I autocrossed for many years, but never at that technological level. I put on a set of sticky tires and had to keep using them until they wore out. I adjusted tire temps, and shocks on some cars, and tuned with 'competition' sway bars.. As a result, my setups were usually not great. My autocrossing days are over (I'm 70). Now I just take pictures of other people doing motorsports, but the skills that I learned are still making me a better driver than average.
Jan
Ive never seen a maverick kick ass so hard before
Mavericks were never like that from Ford!
Jan
@@AutoMatters I dont think that any of those cars were stock, but ive also never seen a maverick that I would want to drive, till today...
Gee hope the people the C10 are ok, hate ti see classics get damaged, looks like a lot of fun.
Remember folks horse power is how fast you hit the stop box barricade, torque is how much longer you extend the stop box
That sucks, looks like it hurt a lil bit!
Ha une fois qu on la prepare autrement que d origine c est des 🚀
Beautiful truck bad break sorry boys hope it can be fixed
Is this the same where the old white Galaxie lookn car had the same thing happen? I swear this is 2 cars I've seen this week do basically this exact same thing
Perhaps. I did not see that one...
Jan
That was on the organizers.. they dident leave enough room for slowing down
Countless other cars ran faster and stopped. Maybe he shouldn’t show up in the truck class weighing way under what he’s supposed to.
Doesn't matter what you show up in or your experience level, that is a horrible course design to have such a finish area. There should have been offset pylons or a tight slalom just prior to the finish to force drivers to slow down, and then have the finish headed away from barriers instead of leading right into them if overcook your finish. Crashes are very rare in autocross yet they had 2 serious ones at the same event, both avoidable with a properly designed finish.
It absolutely does matter what you bring. When you have hundreds of horses in a truck that’s 1000lbs underweight your attempt to cheat will make you too light and unable to stop. Likewise, countless other cars stopped.
@@johnmcmullen456 the other crash. Listen to the end, he smashes the gas instead of the brake. No amount of preparation by event staff can mitigate driver error of that level.
ua-cam.com/video/D1LnSvEVVN0/v-deo.html
@@scoutswimmer14 I have been in this game a few decades and have helped design courses for SCCA events as a safety steward. You never design a fast finish leading straight into a barrier. Near the finish you add offset gates or a tight slalom to force drivers to slow down, then have the finish as a turn, away from any barriers. Accidents are very rare in autocross events but may result in the loss of the site or cancelled event insurance, especially if injury is involved.Two major accidents at one event may not bode well with this site owner's legal consultants. Oh, BTW, lighter vehicles brake better than heavier ones, all else being equal.
The guy in the Vette had the huge advantage overall and not just because its a Corvette...If anyone notices he's running weighted rear rims...Those keep the power planted and rear settled for smoother transitions than his competitors and the Guy with the Blue chevy...He shouldn't of two footed that truck..You can hear there was torque still being applied to the rearwheels pushing that Chevy right into the K rails like he hit an ice patch..
Interesting...
I have no idea what "weighted rear rims" are but I do know that the driver of the yellow Corvette has been autocrossing for at least 25 years. Everytime I watch these Goodguys autocross videos I cringe seeing how close they run to the walls. That stop box at the finish! My opinion is this gives autocross a bad name. This would never be allowed at an SCCA event.
Audience, all the cars were super nice; however, the blue truck at 5:08 just didn't have all disc brakes. Wow, he just f%&ked his truck up...Wipe out!!!!
I hope the drive is OK but that’s why it’s very important to upgrade your brakes as the first thing you do
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BRAKES SKIPPY the fucking throttle hung WOT no brakes are going to stop it!!!
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall and torque is how far you push the wall. Either way another sweet square body gone. Glad everyone is ok.
I'm partial to the C10 as I have two...a 67 and 69......BUT....that Maverick ain't no joke!!!
Second video of the same show that involved a crash… lots of carnage.
The Barracuda's crash looked more violent.
Jan
That whip lash.
Similar to what killed Earnhardt. Scary.
As I wrote in my replies to other commenters:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
It sounded like the throttle got stuck when he tried to slam on the brakes
Video starts here 5:08
Locked up the brakes and drove straight into a wall. good job
On a course this small and they are driving like it’s Le Man’s, I mean dude in the blue truck was out wanting trophies 👍🏻
Alan,
Autocrossing can be an addictive sport. I did that for many years.
Jan
@@AutoMatters cool👍🏻
De magnifique resto mode la plupart y love it chevy mopar dodge hummm
Merci pour votre comment, Jean Charles!
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Jan
@@AutoMatters ok thancs no probleme mie is frenchy bye sir sorie no speak english sorie bye boys
@@jeancharlesrabaux5658 Merci!
@@AutoMatters no problem bye
Stuck throttle. And that is not enough track for American cars to do that type of racing. There's no room for error.
The other 60 drivers running faster and harder figured it out
@@scoutswimmer14 The thing is, with such a short shutdown area, there is little margin of error for dealing with a mechanical failure.
Jan
@@AutoMatters dozens and dozens of other drivers did it and like with the Cuda, where a throttle got stuck under a break, the amount of shut down area needed Cant reasonably be planned for
We're okay except for my pride.
Hi Wes,
I am glad that you both are okay and that you did not give up on autocrossing. After several decades of autocrossing myself, I retired from doing that a few years ago.
I recently posted three photos of what I think is you and your truck autocrossing at the 2023 GoodGuys Del Mar Nationals. Scroll down and look for it towards the end of my post on AutoMatters.net in AutoMatters & More number 789. Here is the link to that post: automatters.net/goodguys-40th-anniversary-celebrated-at-the-del-mar-nationals/
Jan
Same corner as the Barracuda ??????
It's really too bad the driver of the truck didn't have any driving lessons . When you lock your brakes up you cannot turn . So many times racing formula cars I was in that same predicament . I learned that as soon as you lock up your wheels you need to let off on the brakes so you can turn and then re apply . All that has to be done in a split second . This guy had plenty of time to let off on the brakes and steer out of that situation . That decision to stomp on the brakes and hold them down was his downfall. So sad .
I think it's called 'the red mist.'
Jan
I hate seeing a truck get wrecked like that.
It was a beauty.
There is very little room for errors there.
Jan
Dwight Shrute auto crosses?
This seems to happen every year here now. Last year was a 64 Barracuda.
Ok, j seen this one and thought shit, another crash at the same event as the Cuda ?? But that makes sense. It was last year. Not that it makes it any better.
@@jasonhull5712 I heard that another car crashed here the day before this one.
Jan
They use a different lot at the Del Mar Fairgrounds now. It is not as exciting to watch but it is probably just as much fun and challenging for the competitors to drive.
I've never seen this type of racing. Too bad about the crash.
Thanks Marsha. This is what I used to do for many years. I even autocrossed on this course in previous years, but i have not autocrossed in quite a while since then.
Jan
same corner that claimed the 69 cuda also.. think maybe they should re configure the corner
66 Barracuda.
The Cudas throttle broke and he accelerated through. Nothing to do with the course
One year I saw a car drive into the barrier on the diagonally opposite side of the course, and the end of the initial chicane.
Jan
RIP C10
That Shelby🥰
Is that a parking lot?
It is a small part of the paved area of the Del Mar Fairgrounds (San Diego County).
Jan
@@AutoMatters so it’s a parking lot?
You can see why racing drivers use the head harness to protect they heads.
Yes Ed, as I wrote in my replies to other commenters:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
Dayum. Watch the drivers neck snap forward. No Hans I guess.
Correct, no Hans device was worn, as far as I could see. As I wrote in my replies to other commenters, these sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
Didn't a Baracuda also hit the wall?
I think so.
Jan
I dunno about slow down to go fast, C10 driving was top notch and it had nothing to do with speed
it had everything to do with no rear brakes
Why would you think that the truck had no rear brakes? The motor was rocking hard, typically rear brakes can't stop against that.
@@125AXer well I didn't claim to be an expert so it's possible that I'm wrong here but nothing on that truck is factory including the brakes which are probably oversized wilwoods so when you watch him locking up the brakes the rears are spinning he whole time
@@zydecbro The currently popular burnout is accomplished in most cars by holding the brakes hard while standing still, and smashing the throttle. Brakes are balanced towards the front, a lot. During braking, 70-80% of the stopping power is accomplished by the fronts, due to weight transfer. Really strong rear brakes lock up early, and cause control issues, so they never have enough effectiveness to overcome a strong engine. This truck was still under power. Either driver error, or stuck throttle. Edit: See here for an example... ua-cam.com/video/oYod1Z0kPY8/v-deo.html
@@125AXer Thanks for the explanation.
Jan
Well, that looked expensive!
what a race !!! for all the cars.
the c10 needs better brakes !
I think I will be "crossing" any Goodguys autox events off my list now if this is how they set things up....
No need to do that. After this event, they moved the autocross to another part of the Fairgrounds.
Jan
Damn dude bad luck! Hope you get another project to be gentle with. Looks like about $50k worth of observation Chevy
Parking lot racing? Whats the point really?
Potentially less expensive for competitors? Renting a race track is expensive.
Jan
I'm guessing his daily driver has ABS.
Cool
If you find your self in that situation turn the wheel in the direction you want to go and let off the brakes and down shift
it looked like he only had front brakes if that was the case he shouldn't have been out there
Hi Oscar,
Downshifting could be tricky. If revs are not matched, it could be like applying the handbrake. That, combined with turning the steering wheel, could cause a spin.
Jan
it would have been better to spin it out than slam head first into the wall once he locked up the wheels he was pretty much just along for the ride
@@oscarwalton1188 Like the Mustang did earlier.
Jan
@@AutoMatters yes
Dang see that hood fly off, good enough to scalp somebody.
I hate autocross. It's so hard to ever remember or see where the turns are that you need to memorize like 35 turns. It's slow and you get at most a total of 4 minutes in the car for the whole day. At least it's cheap.
I always found autocross quite exciting from behind the wheel.
Jan
Not a square body anymore!
5:08 - you're welcome.
What was the fail? The track, surface, course design, driver couldn't say no?
Hate when that happens
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
A squealing tire is a happy tire
That wing on the vette is just silly. I thought i was going take off fpr a flight😂🤣
Corvettes rear counter weight at these speeds