Close Passes and Poor Overtakes of Cyclists
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2022
- They're still far too many people not giving cyclists the correct amount of space when overtaking.
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I have to say that if I was the last cyclist and there was a queue behind me I'd have pulled into that road on the left to let them pass. Cyclists need patience too!
Yep, it seems all the onus for patience is laid at the motorists feet, I though the idea was to SHARE the road safely, there was ample roon for that cyclist to pull over and allow traffic to clear, of course they'll argue they're on a climb and need to maintain cadence etc. maybe they need to learn they're on open public roads not in the TdeF
Agreed, I’m a cyclist and would have pulled over to the left to let the traffic past. It probably wouldn’t even have needed me to stop, just slow down and let them past. Most slow moving vehicles do this such as tractors on main roads so why not cyclists?
I have just commented on this exact thing I am a cyclist and would have moved to the left where the road widens for the left turn and let cars pass easily.
Yeah, it didn't look like there was any sign of those cones ending, either.
I could understand Ashley's point about being held up at lights for longer if there was just a brief closure, but that guy was plodding along at 10mph for at least a minute, plus however long it took after the footage ended.
@@nolly485 Sorry Nathan. I didn't see your comment till after I'd done this one. 😬 At least we agree!
Impatience might be too kind a word. Callous disregard for human life might be a better description. How else to describe a lorry driver who nearly kills another person just because they didn't fancy waiting a few extra seconds?
@@andrewprettyquick2070 I used it in a longer sentence, though. Feel free to offer a better description.
Because humans are animals. Do other animals have regard for other animals?
@@cityplanner3063 Ofc they do.
Have you ever tried stopping a laden lorry?. Cyclist have brakes too but they dont seem to want to use them, specialy at a red light.
@@grim3228 Plenty of cars run reds too. Especially on the morning and evening rush
I ride a trike with pedal assist and yesterday on my way to the shop, I was close passed by an impatient bus driver at a pinch point in the road, then by another driver as I was preparing to make a right turn. After the right turn, I leave the road to the joint cycle path and it was brilliant riding past all of the drivers who were too impatient to wait for me to get to a safe point, who were all now stuck at a traffic light!
I'm exactly the the same riding a pedal assist trike and have the same thing happened , last week I had come out of work at 10;00 am and due to an accident way further back from where I join the road this bloke was shouting and sticking his fingers at me an telling me I should be on a footpath which I obviously shouldn't plus there wasn't even a pavement available when all of a sudden this grey car puts on his blue lights and pulls us over he tell me I'm exactly where I should be on the road and plus I have hi Vis jacket lights on ect the bloke is all the time whilst the policeman is talking to me swearing the police passenger approaches the bloke and warns him four time about his language and the two fingers which he still continues with well suffice to say he got done on several charges he rants to the police we shouldn't use the roads the police state to him we are allowed to ride on roads plus there's no pavement and to read up on the highway code today the guy shouts at me I've cost him a lot in fines I sensibly ignore him but on arriving home I rang to report him for today's rant
Well at least they were in cars which is descent mode of transport unlike you saddos on ya pedal bikes
@Advanced Driving you are the one cyclist who has never had an issue
5 MPH is ridiculous. Get off our roads, you're dangerous.
@@JavaAndroidbecause 5 MPH on a 14kg bike is such a dangerous speed
Overtaking followed by an immediate turn (often a right turn) is absolutely textbook. Happens all the time and is a nightmare.
As a driver, nothing feels better than someone overtaking you just for you to end up right off their dumper whilst they're waiting to turn. Seeing their stupidy proven so obviously is great.
In a car, maybe. But on a bike it is outright dangerous!
The immediate right turn is better than the immediate left though. Arseholes who brake hard and late often without indicators on and just swing left, not giving a shit about where one as the cyclist actually is!
As a motorist I’ve never understood it from the point of view that overtaking anything is inherently more risky so why bother taking the risk if you’re going to turn off anyway? It’s a risk for the motorist as well. I’d rather just make life easier for myself!
The other, just as dangerous and wildly infuriating version of this is the "pull out in front from a minor to a major road, causing you to brake, to then immediately take the next turn" when there's little or no traffic behind you.
You've completely changed the way that I think about my options and make decisions when driving, comments like the one at 5:30 put into perspective how much risk a lot of road users take for minimal reward
I couldn't give less of a shite to be honest, I'll drive how I want
@@AverageAlien no one asked though
I used to drive like this. Your videos have helped me change my behaviour
Well done
Much appreciated
Recently I was a passenger in my Daughters Audi Q8, as you can imagine its a pretty big vehicle. We were following a cyclist with a safe distance behind. As it was a country road she wasn’t able to find a safe place to pass, but we were going to turn right a few hundred meters up the road, so she decided to wait. The car behind was obviously impatient, flashing lights, blasting horn, my daughter held her cool. Suddenly without warning the car behind overtook use, almost hitting her door mirror, then had to swerve back in due to a car coming towards us. Knocked the cyclist off and drove on without stopping. Because she was far enough back was able to stop, avoiding the cyclists. The police were called and ambulance, camera footage was handed over and statements given. We learned later the driver of the car was arrested and charged with dangerous driving and is awaiting a court date. The cyclist luckily wasn’t badly injured, but his bike did sustain some damage. The police did however comment on how well my daughter had been driving, she said to them, “That’s down to my Dad, who Instructed me when he was a Driving Instructor.” That made me very proud.
@Follow the howl actual she drives like that all the time, had her licence 17 years, clean and 16 years NCB.
"As it was a country road she wasn't able to find a safe place to pass, but we were going to turn right a few hundred metres up the road, so she decided to wait."
So what would she have done if she wasn't turning right? Is it a typo? Did you mean to say:
"she was able to find a safe place to pass, but decided to wait as she was turning right a few hundred metres up the road"
@@jhferu NO she could have tried to find a safe place to pass and as we were turning a few hundred meters up the road, she didn’t even try as it was pointless due to turning right within a matter of a minute, but had she been driving straight on, she would have looked for a safe place to pass the cyclist.
Well done.👍
As a cyclist I have been close-passed multiple times a day, every day, for years. Nowadays, I am feeling more and more pressured to take an early centre lane (even right side of the lane) positioning when approaching a pinch point, junction, roundabout, etc so that I can eliminate the possibility of a close pass by completely blocking the motorist. Its shame that I have to police these mindless people by putting myself in the way.
I've noticed it's got worse since the lockdowns, not entirely sure of the reason why though
@@elliotpollard9083 My own experience from work is that mental and social health have deteriorated since lockdown. We're just beginning to get a balance again now.
@Advanced Driving I agree with you. Is not putting yourself in the way the same as putting yourself in the most visible position on the road?
Don't feel bad.
HGVs are trained to do stuff like this (early wide positions, using multiple lanes, etc) just so they can make good progress.
Cyclists have to do it to keep themselves alive.
@@PedroConejo1939 when i was growing up there was no such thing as mental health,we just got on with things.
That last clip is difficult. If you can’t get past, you can’t get past. But I bet the driver is feeling the pressure from
behind.
Also what is the cyclist doing on a road that size? I know cyclists can't legally ride on motorways but what is the difference between a 70limit dual carriage way and a motorway when you get hit by something? They can't expect 60-70mph traffic to slow down to 10-20mph. The cyclist also had multiple options to let the traffic past yet chose to keep people waiting and frustrated. Really don't understand these types of cyclist
@@benrampling812 .
So you would want to ban cyclists from using a large percentage of the roads in this country. Do you realise that would mean some would not be able to leave their village unless they had motorised transport.
Just because a person's vehicle can do X mph, does not mean they must always be able to drive at that speed, regardless of any other road user.
The cyclist could have pulled over in to the layby to let the car past
@@benrampling812 All roads, apart from motorways are rights of way for cyclists, horses and pedestrians and so cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly entitled to use them. The 70mph limit is a limit and should only be used when safe. So of course motorists must slow down to avoid hitting other road users.
@@benrampling812 i just said a similar thing
All of these clips are just a normal day on the road for any cyclist
I drive too. But im not willing to kill to get ahead. The few seconds I have to slow down a little often means the road ahead is clear allowing me to catch up with the car in front. Meaning the cyclist didn’t slow me down at all.
Thanks for featuring my video by the way
The old safe, legal and necessary criteria for overtaking.
@@PedroConejo1939 Should introduce, how it feels for the person being overtaken/in the vicinity, 'safe' for a motorist doesn't always account for how it feels for others and safe is subjective particularly when you're in a metal box with many safety/protective aids.
@@ynotnilknarf39 I have worked in mental health since the 80s and have yet to be gifted with the ability to know, from a distance and without any prior communication, how a complete stranger feels in a given situation. Instead, I stick with what is known to be the safest course of action. If applied correctly, "Safe, Legal and Necessary" should give Mr/Ms X no justifiable cause for concern.
Top stuff Ashley, being pressured by people behind to overtake unsafely is a subject to cover too.
Definitely. Some people forget that the driver is responsible for their vehicle only, not the person in front of them.
I once had some mad van driver beeping me because I wouldn't overtake a cyclist into oncoming traffic, so I slowed down a little and moved closer to the middle of the road to give more distance between the cyclist and the nutter.
@@Rover200Power so you made it worse
@@AtticusDenzil far better is what you mean as I made it impossible for the nutter to overtake the cyclist until there was space to do so.
Sadly anyone who cycles - and especially anyone who cycles their children to school - knows the impatience and rage that can be exhibited by some drivers who cannot comprehend that in 9 out of 10 cases they're behind a cyclist, they will easily make up any time lost between the safe overtaking point and the next junction or set of traffic lights they reach
I exercise a lot of caution when passing cyclists, I've only had my license about 3-4 months, sometimes a little too much caution.
I tend to get motorists angry behind me because I instead slow down and give the cyclist plenty of room instead of overtaking on a blind bend, had one guy hurl abuse at me at the next junction. But to be honest, i'd rather annoy a motorist behind me instead of knocking a cyclist off their bike by giving into the pressure of those behind me being in a rush
Keep that resolve. The driver behind you isn’t seeing what you are.
I've had my licence about 25 years and I get anger, abuse and dangerous overtaking every day for driving at 20 in a 20 zone! Sadly, it doesn't get any better, but good on you for starting out how you intend to carry on :)
Well done
Don't think that having driven for a longer time automatically makes you a better driver. You may be able to see issues earlier but many older drivers have also developed bad habits. A bad habit of many is getting frustrated because they have had to share the road with others.
You can never be overly cautious, it's that extra look, that extra time you give yourself to make a decision that might one day save your life and the life of others.
Keep doing exactly what you'e doing and you won't go too far wrong.
Don't ever feel rushed, don't ever feel like you have to do something because someone else is seething or would do differently, it's YOU that keeps the integrity for yourself and that means you're doing your best with regards safety for all.
Couldn't agree more. Every close pass that's ever happened to me is usually followed by me asking "why didn't you just wait?"...there's open road or a space for me to pull closer in to let you pass or more often than not, a set of lights to stop you just down the road anyway!
Thanks for the videos. They make me think about my conduct and help prevent me from entering the 'entitled' mindset while driving.
In the last clip, why can't the cyclist move over a little to the left to allow the car to pass?? I know I would have.
I agree with you, I could not be that ignorant, I would have pushed my bike on the grass verge to let the cars pass or at least moved into the slip road. This not thinking of others is why bikes get the bad rep.
@Non-Stick Pan that solid white line just denotes the edge of the carriageway surely??
@Non-Stick Pan nothing to do with the highway code. Its about light giving way to heavy. Common sense and a little manners that's all.
When would you have got back on your bike and resumed your journey? When there were no cars on the road? Great idea, wait for a few hours so you have the road all to yourself to make sure drivers don't have to wait for a few minutes.
@@smwatson1512 He did not say get of the bike what he said was move to the left a little to allow the car to pass.
Thanks for continuing to highlight this Ashley - spot on. Ultimately some of these drivers need taking off the roads.
Going to be honest, I was a terrible cyclist before watching this channel. I live in the netherlands where a lot of people use bikes. I never really noticed my own bad biking behavior or bad driving behavior. Thanks for the Vids, keep it going!
Good stuff Ashley, as a cyclist I appreciate you trying to get the message out to more drivers.
Cyclists aren’t exempt!
@@ashley_neal Aren't exempt from what?
The narrow (single track) country road clips are very familiar to me. I estimate about 40% of drivers will stop or wait at a passing place for me, but about 60% seem to expect me to somehow disappear or pull into the hedge.
For me (the cyclist) there is a huge difference between the oncoming car stopping so I can pass and me having to stop and get into the hedge so the car can pass. I handle these situations by moving into the centre of the road to force the oncoming car to at least slow to a safe speed, this assumes that there is no passing place that I can use.
Some drivers do that to cars as well, they are just bellends. Yesterday I had someone who refused to reverse back 10m to a passing place, and instead did a 20 point turn into a gate opening which still didn't leave enough room for anyone to get past. IQ of an ant.
@@Rover200Power Main difference being that a car and a bicycle can normally pass, all I ask is for the car to slow down to walking pace or preferably stop. If the road is so narrow that we cannot pass safely, then I have no issue going back to a place where we can pass (often happens when meeting farm machinery or a large van)
@@grahambonner508 Some car drivers are just not capable of complex decision making. If something happens which contradicts their plan of just driving straight ahead they have no idea how to react. Then there are the ones who plainly have no idea how wide their car actually is.
My experience with tractors is that they are usually driven as fast as possible, and you only have time to cycle into a hedge to get out of the way, but maybe that's just the farmers around here.
@@Rover200Power At least I can hear the large modern tractors approaching and plan accordingly. Often they are driven by youngsters and I sometimes wonder if they actually have a license.
If when cycling, you take a primary position and so decide for the motorist that they should not overtake, you may well do them a favour by removing the pressure they may feel from other traffic behind them.
You can take ownership of the decision rather than relying on then to.
I take the primary reasonably reasonably often (as it's often safest). I don't do it to tell motorists not to overtake, I do it to remind motorists that if they ARE to overtake they're going to have to go into the opposite lane to do it safely.
I often do this when cycling with my daughter as she’s building up her roadskills - doesn’t seem to encourage drivers to be more aware of why - they just pass more closely 🤦♂️
A thousand thanks for this mate.
These are good videos delivered in a non judgemental way. It's all about getting home safely, not first.
And letting the cyclists get home safely too.
"Shame on you VW driver" sounds pretty judgemental to me. I do not disagree, judging bad driving is part of these excellent videos...
I'm a cyclist too and I've made mistakes overtaking bikes myself; sometimes we make mistakes with judging the relative speed of other vehicles. But I like the way the instructor points out learning experiences. I've actually learned things to do with lane discipline in other videos. I think it's a good tone he strikes. That VW made the mistake because he didn't think ahead about where he was going after he overtook the cycles, and you see this a lot as a cyclist. People watch the bikes, instead of looking at the road ahead and traffic to pick their time. Tyen they try to overtake and find theyre still in 3rd gear. In France they are much better at hanging back, picking a time and then going past. It's just experience.
The dreaded pedestrian Island on the first clip. As a cyclist those are the scariest things on the road, they seem to invite daft overtake attempts. I always take a strong primary position before approaching to try and discourage overtakes. However, I did just that at the weekend and a driver mounted the island with both offside wheels to get round me. The crazy thing was they had a clear straight road to overtake on, right after the island....bizarre behaviour.
@@Thebestofyoutubefood It's easy to say that in hindsight, but it's a bit different in the moment. When things happen quickly to the side of you, it starts in your periphery and you process it differently. You don't automatically go for you brakes as the first reaction, as the problem is not in front of you. It happened to me with a lorry once and tbh I looked away, moved as close to kerb as I could and hoped for the best. Thankfully I was not hit.
Those pinch points are the most dangerous things on the road for cyclists. Seem to be a beacon for cars to overtake. Get in the middle of the road is my advice so the idiots can't squeeze past.
Riding a bike and a motor bike has made me a better motorist too
The motorbike more so. You learn to read the road well ahead than any driver if you don't you are off 😉 biker 48 years now.
Hi Ashley, Im a cyclist and a driver and i am regularly faced with both cyclists on the road and bad driving while biking. I am super careful when driving as the consequences of my driving could impact many lives but more so as you rightly state, there is very little value add in doing an unnecessary overtake.
Great selection of clips and hopefully people can reflect on what they are seeing.
First clip is the classic example of a motorist (bus driver in this instance) underestimating the speed of even your average cyclist. Motorists might see a cyclist, but they mentally process it as a pedestrian. A pedestrian is essentially stationary compared to a car’s speed, but a bike can be 75% of the car’s speed, so it needs a totally different calculation about where the overtake is gonna finish.
Ill be honest and admit i have been frustrated by cyclists in the past, riding 3/4 abreast on country roads but ive made a real effort since watching ashley to change my mentality and just stopping that initial "urgh" thought. Stopping the initial negativity means my mindset is more positive, my driving has improved and im more concious of the other roadusers because of it. I will talk to the kids in the back of the car to explain why ive slowed down and we're not going past when its unsafe for them.
Well done
It's unlikely that any group is 3 or 4 across. You're seeing two staggered lines of two abreast, and parallax makes you think they're in the same row.
@@robclayton9612 A group usually warn each other of a following car if they hear it. Modern cars can be fairly quiet, especially when they are at low speed so it is not always possible to hear a following car. If they do not look like they have seen you, a quick beep of the horn will help to let them you are there & you are likely to see them squeeze together a little.
Glad you changed your behaviour. My argument to the old mentality is you should buy a faster car and then you can overtake easier
@@TheRip72 no sure that response was to me?
I know you are concentrating on the new changes to the Highway Code but I do recall a piece of old case law where the judge stated that "the cyclist is entitled to his wobble”. There was concern, even then, about vehicles passing too close. My son was driven into a ditch on a country road by a car cutting in on him. I know some cyclists can be a pain but we need to remember that it’s a steel box against flesh & bones.
I think that you are correct, and there was a test case between the Wars when a motorist had hit a cyclist and was being prosecuted.
They used the defence that the cyclist had wobbled at the wrong moment and therefore the cyclist was at fault.
But the judgement was that cycling was in fact a continuous series of wobbles and that motorists should allow sufficient space for this to occur, and that 6 feet of wobble was reasonable to expect.
Yes, and I would add all "cyclists" tend to get banded into one group by many people. They remember the time when one cyclist annoyed them then take it out all cyclists! It's stupid and you would not do it to all the other drivers if one car annoyed you once.
@@andrewnorris5415 bang on, the whole 'giving us a bad name' is absolute bollocks, yet a lot of people who cycle say this time and again!
@@andrewnorris5415 Whilst what you say is true, but in towns and cities, especially where there are “professional” cyclists, there are many instances of cyclists ignoring traffic lights & pedestrian crossings, weaving in and out of traffic and squeezing through gaps that they would complain about if being squeezed by other vehicles. I think it is the frequency of such events that can breed the antipathy shown by some drivers. Of course, it in no way excuses the use of a vehicle as a weapon. That is what the new rules are attempting to address. It’s a shame that there has been such a lack of advertising & education.
Drop the "whilst" from my last comment.
Great video. Really helpful
Great vlog Ashley, still lots to learn from many drivers and Cyclist. 😎🚴🏻♂️👍🏼
Happened to me today taking my 4yo son back from school. Some guy in a big X5 beeped and tried to push me out of the lane when I was filtering (luckily I generally use the offside so I couldn't get pinched by the kerb). Then he aggressively overtook me. All while I've got a little boy with me on the bike. Usually I let these things pass. But this time when he ended up in the inevitable queue (this is London rush hour) I kicked his door pretty hard. He deserved it putting my son at risk for his macho behaviour.
Absolute disgrace, these people should be jailed.
Why be so stupid as too put your son in such danger? I know let’s strap my son to a 15lbs aluminium tube and cycle in the middle of the road with 2 ton vehicles flying around me sounds like a great idea! What a bloody idiot. If that was my door I would of threw you into a hedge!
@@leonhaze8916 it's called cycling. That's how you ride a bike through a city. Have you lived in London for long? The traffic sits stationary at many traffic lights and cyclists can carefully filter though.
@@leonhaze8916 also your last comment is so true of internet trolls. What makes you think you can throw anyone in a hedge? Are you built so superior to everyone else, like kabib from the UFC you can just ragdoll people? I am not a weak guy by any means. I bet you don't say this stuff to anyone's face. The internet brings out the worst from people...
@@lordgibbness lol your weak compared to me I can tell by the way you talk. I’m 6ft 1 18 stone and have done boxing/mma my whole life. You most definitely would of been put in the hedge for damaging my car.
Apart from the danger, the really annoying thing about those who overtake and turn when you are on a bike is kinda similar to what manual lorry drivers say, accelerating is hard work on a ike, especially if you are forced to stop! I find stopping and starting constantly almost as tiring as most of the hills in the area- you really want to be cruising, even ignoring the danger of close passes, ANY pass when you intend to turn soon is rude- I don't appreciate cruising at just below 20- then being forced to stop for someone who not long overtook me and having to pedal back up to speed. Infrastructure for bikes in this country is abysmal frankly, compare us to almost any other country in Europe, busy- often narrow roads with paper thin painted lanes or non-existent lanes are VERY intimidating on a bike and infrastructure that prioritizes motor vehicles does not take into account how hard it is to use on a bike at all! You end up feeling like your choice is between bugging pedestrians by illegally riding on footpaths or risking your life on unsuitable roads! We want less traffic, we want less air pollution, yet we won't think twice about having 2 lanes either side where 1 either way, a 2 lane cycle path and a bus lane would get people out of their cars more and eliminate the need for 2 lanes either way entirely, probably leading to less traffic. Cycle paths could also be used by e-scooters and mobility scooters, providing a place for low speed light weight vehicles where they can safely cruise at a higher speed without disrupting foot or road traffic.
Didn't even read your whole comment. But I had to point out that you say "most of the hills in the area you really want to be cruising". Now you also say infrastructure here is abizmal. Let me educate. Britian is not a flat land, therefore not ideal for cyclists. Much of Europe is flat, meaning its suitable for cyclists. Now I'm not sure if you know your history or not but Britian was not destroyed in WW2, we did not have to rebuild the vast majority of our infrastructure. Which is still victorian. Europe on the other hand got hit hard by the war and huge changes were made and better infrastructure had been erected. So hopefully you understand now that Britain's infrastructure cannot be compared to that of Europe because ours has stood for much longer. Still wondering why its not cycle orientated? Because cycling is a pass time, an exercise, a hobby. It is not a means to and end. It produces no revenue. No benefit to society. Its literally just giving people things we don't need. Plenty of courty trails to cycle along now off you pop.
@@benjihardie8277 Oh bollocks to that excuse as this is not why Dutch cities for example have good cycling infrastructure. In fact after the war they made the same mistake the UK did in cities that were heavily bombed and tried to optimise them for cars only as the means of transport. Take a look a pictures of Amsterdam in the 1970s before the government got a clue and compare them to now. Also while you are at it compare the average traffic delays for motor vehicles to similar sized UK cities you will find the Dutch ones are lower despite the reduction of car lanes in some places. Turns out bicycles are more space efficient than cars and thus a cycle lane of the same width can take 2 or 3 car lanes worth of traffic before jamming up, this encourages people to commute via bicycle etc and free up more capacity in the remaining car lanes than the space allowed for before.
@@benjihardie8277 This is so idiotic it hurt my brain.
@@seraphina985 The reason cycling is so popular in the Netherlands is because the country is flat. By contrast the very low cycling levels in Britain are explained because the country is hillier in many places.
@@BeelzebubsTail perhaps your brain is hurting because your learning rather than reading pointless comments like the one you've just made. 🙂
I keep thinking of getting a bicycle again, but after seeing these clips, I'll save my money....and my life.
I feel the same which is so sad. As a nation we should be encouraging cycling as it takes up far less road space and is healthier. Instead I have to drive the mile and a bit to the shop adding to congestion and pollution.
There are no safe alternatives for travel, With bikes you have the benefit of being kept fit and healthy and all the calculations I have seen show that this is better for your life expectancy than the slight risk of injury.
I do understand your feelings, but do be aware that the risk of serious injury is low despite the occasional crap driver as shown in the videos. There are ways to minimise risk, and also regular cyclists statistically speaking will have longer and healthier lives, even with the risks taken into account.
As Mr Neal says "Shame on you driver of the Volkswagen" spot on shame on them no need for putting 3 people (2 of them children) in that situation they are clearly very vulnerable
He said it was a small road to a farm shop and a car park. Hardly out on a highway! They may have only been riding from one end of the car park to the other but been in a car the rest of the time. You need more patience and sound like the VW instead of a caring driver.
I didn’t think it was that bad really. There was still a lot of space between them and the driver did stop instead of forcing their way through. Seems more like a bit of a miscalculation to me.
It was the worst of all the clips. The most dangerous and intimidating one.
@@margaretnicol3423 well my previous car was a Passat but now I have an Octavia
@@TheMusicianTom totally agree
The pass to then have to stop or turn is very common and can be very frustrating, I think it's down to the "must get Infront" syndrome along with a lack of consideration or planning.
Too many drivers can't see past their bonnet. The number of close passes into a red traffic light I've had...
Re the question at 1:22
Used to drive buses, and yes: schedules are very tight (always getting tighter). Little regard from the company I worked for regarding diversions that increase journey length, little regard for the length of time away from any form of welfare facilities whatsoever. I experienced 5 hr 29 min "planned" driving periods that were surprisingly common (when reality takes you over 5hrs 30 minutes, it is considered "unexpected", and is these driving periods were commonly at the end of a shift).
No excuse for those passes, but it can explain some of the pressures the drivers can be under.
Thanks for sharing my clip at 3:33 Ashley!
Over the last few years all our driver training courses for the construction industry have quoted that you give cyclists the same room as a family car. A timely video as just yesterday on the news a retired teacher had been killed on his bike by a Ford Kuga car in Staffordshire.
Most of these issues would be solved with proper cycle lanes where the cyclist is protected from the traffic..
Here in the Netherlands these acts could never happen
Very true.
Sorry but cycle lanes are just another way of pushing people off the highways and not actually making drivers take responsibility.
And cycle lanes in netherlands have INCREASED cyclist deaths there, currently over 200 every year, the vast majority happen where a motor road meets a cycle lane, around a third of all deaths occur there.
Cycle lanes are convoluted, expensive and simple enbable people on motors to get about easily. Cycle lanes are a fail in fact because whilst deaths have gone up in netherlands, since the 1970s when kindermort was being shouted about, cycling has progressively got less and less in NL.
Taking back the existing highways, removing motorists from them or restricting which roads they can travel on should be what we are aiming for instead of pushing people on bikes to the periphery!
@@ynotnilknarf39
That's not true.
You as missing out that people in the Netherlands cycle 7-8 times as far as happens in the UK, so the fatality rate in NL is between 2 and 3 times lower than the UK.
You are also mistaken on Cycle Lanes - in NL cycle lanes are not often used; they overwhelmingly use segregated cycle paths (where it is far more difficult for careless or dangerous drivers to get at them).
Cycling fatalities in NL actually fell up until the mid-1990s, and the increase since is statistically correlated with an increase (3x) of cycling by older people, especially 70+and 80+, not the building of segregated cycle paths. Many of these deaths are one person accidents. To quote a Dutch statistic:
"Over 65s cycle around 12% of the total kilometres cycled each year in the Netherlands. However, almost 2/3rds of the cyclists who died in the Netherlands last year were of people aged over 65."
See for example the ITF paper: Exposure-Adjusted Road Fatality Rates for Cycling and Walking in European Countries
And David Hembrow's blog "A View from the Cycle Path".
ATB
@@ynotnilknarf39 Your comment on cycling deaths in the Netherlands is misleading. Cycling deaths per billion miles cycled are lower in the Netherlands than in the UK. The number of deaths in the Ntherlands is higher simily because they have far more cyclists.
I agree though that a cycle lane provides little or no protection through a road junction where the cyclelane has to cross the road unless an under or over pass is installed.
It's very unlikely that comprehensive cycle infrastructure similar to that in the Netherlands could be built in the UK for many decades and therefore better driver (and cyclist) education is needed so that cyclists are safer on the roads. Much of the UK cycle infrastructure is also very poor and is actually more dangerous than the road. This has been addressed by government who have introduced minimum standards for new cycle infrastructure, however this also makes them more expensive to install and hence less can be installed for the same budget.
3:27 you can clearly see that there is a number on the cyclist's back. This means there will have been signs all along the side of the road.
You have to expect cyclists on all non-motorway roads, signs or no signs
Regarding that last cyclist, I had a similar situation as a cyclist many years ago. A stream of cars overtook me, I felt it dangerous so took primary. Although I was only there for maybe 20 seconds, you wouldn't believe the amount of abuse I got. Almost every car was on their horns. I also got an absolute tirade of swear words from a few lads in a car when we reached the lights.
The law doesn't seem to care about abusive drivers. Else there would be penalty points for that. Which I am unaware there is
Brilliant, Please more like this, too get the point across. CYCLISTS ARE HUMANS.
Please be respectful.
The amount of times I get overtaken only for them to just catch up to traffic in front and then I overtake again is ridiculous. Being overtaken and then held up is very frustrating. And yes, also being overtaken only to turn off is an issue although not as common.
If drivers just held back a bit and assessed the situation ahead then so many pointless overtakes would be avoided.
Great vid as usual. From my experience, the vast majority of drivers are very considerate - it is just the few that are so focused on themselves to care about others. Probably the same people who don't get merge in turn, ...
I find that too. And I also spot that these antisocial drivers are just the same with other drivers. Ones that close pass me then get right on the tail of the car in front, being antisocial to them too. I bet they would not do antisocial things to person in a face to face contact. But put some behind the wheel of a car... Also cyclists are so vulvernable out there and these few idiots spoilt it for everyone. The police should have a zero tolerance aspect to anti social driving and close passes. Massive fines based on income and bigger points. It's the only way these people will listen. They only seem to care for themselves.
My experience is that the vast majority are not considerate and don't even bother with the bare minimum, as a long time commuter and utility cyclist it's maybe 5% that actually give a shit, the majority get around you within the safe distance or cut it fine pulling out and don't give you a safe space generally (like pulling out over give way lines before you're even past the head of the unction), then you have the 5% of absolute cockwombles.
I find about 95% of drivers to follow the rules. However, that's not anywhere near good enough. Imagine if only 95% of drivers stopped at red lights, or didn't drive drunk. 5% of vehicles putting my life in danger every day is not ok.
@@ihateunicorns867 Agree wholeheartedly.
thank you Ashley Neal for this upload I get close overtakes daily on my bike rides some worst than others i try to avoid the roads where I can
It’s nice of you to suggest that tight schedules are responsible for the impatience of bus drivers but if you’ve ever had to rely on a bus you’d know that there are no schedules.
I'm a bus driver and there is no way would I over take any cyclist in the manner those bus drivers did, no matter how late I'm running I still give cyclists the maximum room when overtaking.
I'm assuming you don't work for Arriva, possibly the worst bus company ever.
Was threatened to be put in hospital by one driver after I caught up with him to ask him what his 'overtake' as all about whence he'd passed me ridiculously close at 50mph on the narrow country lane just a few minutes previous.
Arriva said there was no CCTV (which was a lie), plod were fucking useless when I reported the incident as an assault. In fact they were going to do me for banging on the toughened glass at the drivers cab with my hand.
I try help bus drivers out if I can, move to a central position to hold back motors when I can see they want to pull ou on my side, or slow so they can get past parked cars (on the opposite side to me) to help them back into the flow, yet too often i get squeezed/overtaken in a really shit way. I know it's not all but when it's fairly regular it grinds you down
That first clip was Luton road chatham
@@ynotnilknarf39 no I don't work for Arriva
I thought of you the other day.
I regularly go for walks and often cross a busy roundabout and a few days ago came across heavy traffic at said roundabout.
An older (Boomer, possibly slightly younger) learner driver who was aparently being taught by an equally aged friend or relative was in the queue and despite both occupants seeing me they just kept on creeping forward.
I walk around 4 miles every day and since the new highway code come into effect I've had vehicles do the right thing at junctions, especially here a total of *15* times. As I've said before if it's not enforced it's not law, practically speaking.
You're lucky if I walk to work I do a 7 mile round trip. I can count on one hand the number of times the new junction rules have been followed. On one occasion I had plenty of time to cross before the BMW driver had to turn left (I'd started to cross before they even indicated) they sped-up to teach me a lesson and missed me by inches.
I don’t think it is quite clear yet whether roundabouts count as junctions for the new HWC rules yet. I have heard conflicting interpretations from valid sources. It feels dangerous to give way when exiting one.
@@peterthompson9854 I only give way to pedestrians before I get on a roundabout, never off one. Too many people crash into cars stopped on a straight road. And some councils (rather stupidly) have decorations on roundabouts to make them look pretty, which block the view of the oncoming traffic
From reading the comments there is still more education needed, thanks for the videos, you may need to repeat the message.
I have worked with a couple of ex-bus drivers and they have advised me that they face stiff fines if they do not arrive at certain timing locations along their route at the prescribed time. When you realise how little they make and the poor work conditions they face the prospect of have their wage reduced further may be incentive enough to take risks.
I get this all the time...drivers are ignorant mostly and need to be educated. I can not film every interaction and simply do not have the time to prosecute everyone of them. This will never stop until the motorists mindset is corrected...its all about SAFETY...not your ability to get to work 5 seconds earlier FFS!
Risking life and limb for 5 seconds
I'm a cyclist, have been for 28 years.
I've only ever had two accidents on roads through my own errors.
I've had hundreds of near misses on roads through driver errors.
I experience driver errors which endanger me nearly every day, the most common of which is being cut up by impatient drivers. For this reason my hazard perception is largely focused on oncoming traffic and the timing of the driver behind me - will he try to get past me before the gap closes?
If I think the driver behind me is going to risk passing me when the gap isn't sufficient I look behind me very briefly to check his position and if necessary I then take up my entire lane before he can overtake me.
This is of course, risky. The distance between myself and the driver behind must be sufficient or I would be in even more danger by taking up my entire lane.
This blocking tactic I use to protect myself is only used if I spot the oncoming driver early enough and the driver behind hasn't initiated his overtake and isn't too close to me. Otherwise I never try to block the driver behind me.
Some drivers hate me doing this to keep myself safe - this is a clear indication that I did the right thing because the driver was about to force a risky overtake.
The timing has to be perfect for this blocking technique or it's very dangerous, obviously. If at all unsure I never take this risk, I simply stay exactly the normal distance from the curb and get ready to slow and pull to the side. You can't argue with vehicles because you will obviously lose.
At least they would then have to make the conscious decision to knock you off. Assuming they have stopped looking at their phone...
I do this the other way around; ride primary as default and move to secondary if necessary. Seems to work well most of the time. The odd occasion I get abuse for it just reinforces why I do it. The addition of a Varia Radar and bar-end mirror also helps with managing traffic approaching from behind.
@@shm5547 ,
I don't use a side mirror because it can sometimes limit the information I get. As for abusive drivers, while they're in the small minority it still happens often to me.
I do not arbitrarily attribute intelligence or manners to drivers for obvious reasons.
Many drivers do not understand or accept current traffic law regarding cyclists. For example, when I road ride I tend to travel quite fast and so avoid the use of cycle lanes on the pavement because at higher speeds they increase the danger to myself and others. Some drivers actually rage at me for not using the cycle lane when it's at my side. It's seems that they either think that I must use them if I can or that they resent me staying on the road so much they lose their temper.
Of course, cyclists aren't legally required to leave the road to use cycle paths.
Some angry drivers actually slow down to my speed and intentionally get within inches of me to intimidate me while raging through the passenger window to get off the road and onto the cycle lane. Then they speed off after nearly causing an accident and holding everyone up behind them.
Absolutely atrocious behaviour and highly illegal. Not to mention entitled beyond all reason.
I encounter these morons often and regularly, unfortunately. I report them to the police but not once have the police done anything, no accountability for this obvious stupidity. Video evidence so far hasn't made one bit of difference, even when the driver is provably being reckless and raging.
In my opinion, the police don't give a single shite about the safety of cyclists or what drivers do to them.
@@toxicmale1744 Yep, experienced the same. I also run cameras front and back for those occasions.
Well done on the video, Ashley. I repeat 99.9% of car drivers are courteous - it's just that tiny minority of selfish, inconsiderate or thoughtless drivers endanger or inconvenience us on 2 wheels. We *don't* have the power to get out of the way like a motorcyclist but are just as vulnerable.
All of that said, the last clip of the cyclist ambling along the good quality A road with the cones was a little selfish too. _WE HAVE TO SHARE TOO_ and when someone on a bike does that ticking off the people in cars, they in turn think that we can all be treated with contempt. We must respect car drivers too!
When cycling, I have pulled over on narrow roads before to let cars past. The drivers are very appreciative.
Scary! I've seen all these road situations - as a cyclist and as a car driver - more times than I care to remember.* (It would be interesting to have a breakdown of the people committing these dangerous errors: age, sex, driving experience, insured/not insured, previous fines and traffic violations, etc.)
*Always good, though, to have a little reminder from time to time of the risks and dangers!
Thanks Ashley, I made the cut at 2:22. There is a long way to go and impatience plays a major role. Sadly, you have to set the bar quite high. Otherwise every ride produces dozens of close passes. Double white line overtakes on fast country A roads are a particular problem and a scary one at times. Also just got a clip when I was beeped and shouted at for not using a cycle path which I would have used if it were a more comfortable ride. I might send it in soon.
According to the highway code you should use cycle lanes whenever practical as its safer for everyone, doubt the comfort of your ride counts as impractical.
@@doogled6749 Nonsense! There's no obligation to use cycle lanes unless impractical, you make it sound akin to driving over a mini-roundabout!!
It actually says you can use a cycle lane if it's 'easier' and cyclists are under no obligation to use facilities at all.
You need to change your perspective!
@@doogled6749 it doesn't say that at all, I've just had a conversation with a driver again this is twice in 2 days now shouting at me for moving into the middle of the lane telling me I should always be left even though there are parked cars there and then she stopped in the bike box at the lights. So she overtook for nothing and then illegally stopped in the bike box and starts ranting at me and calling me names
@@doogled6749 This channel should be quite an eye-opener for you then.
@@doogled6749 Even if that is completely true, which I'm not arguing, because I have zero idea, I believe we can all agree that we should never pass a cyclist so damn close, that is way too risky and needlessly impatient.
the biggest issue with all of these clips? no cycling infrastructure to be seen, if there were decent, well maintained and well planned cycling routes most of these cyclists would not have been at risk. some places you just couldnt feasibly install anything, but most of these there could have been something in place to aid.
Road works are notorious for not giving two monkeys about vulnerable road users
Cycling 'infrastructure' as you put it simply pushes cyclists to the periphery, this is not and never has been acceptible. it does not equal safer either as we see in the Netherlands which has twice the deaths of people on cycles compared to UK despite having thousands of miles of infrastructure. Pushing cyclists off the highways simply means out of sight and out of mind, it also means motorists get to be unemcumbered and have more direct routes to get where they need to whilst people on cycles have to meander on shitty cycle lanes that aren't wide enough for mass cycling even IF they actually might join up to places people want to be.
Modifying the behaviour of motorists and restrciting where motorists can drive and indeed park is not only quicker to action, it's ultimately safer for everyone and indeed is massively cheaper. Changing use of existing highways and reappropriating parts of the network is much better as a solution to enabling more people to cycle and in greater safety whilst restricting driving at the same time and where motorists can park up.
Cycle lanes are crap in NL for the most part and do not encourage more cycling as seen by the huge decline in cycling in NL since kindermoort and indeed the huge death toll there every year!
@@ynotnilknarf39 our roads aren’t big enough for cars and bicycles it’s that simple! Don’t want to get hurt stay out of the way of 2 ton vehicles travelling much faster than you! It’s really not a hard concept to grasp.
@@leonhaze8916 lol, that's our solution? Said like an utterly delusional pychopath hope you don't drive!
@@ynotnilknarf39 I cycle and drive. I don’t cycle on the road because I’m not meant to be there I feel like nothing but a burden been cycling in some form or the other since I was 8 cycled to work everyday for three years nearly always on the path I’ve had close passes but I didn’t cry and report people because I didn’t belong on the road peddling my 15lbs aluminium tube amongst 2 ton boxes of steel. I was never hit so no harm no foul you guys need to grow some balls and stop crying.
Thank you. Really. Thank you to every driver who leaves space
Great video
I lay the blame for a lot of the MGIF culture on certain media organisations that are happy to profit from whipping up anti cyclist hysteria.
I’m a biker (motorcycle) and even I’ve had few close close due to people like this from opposite lane. Best one I’ve had was a 60 road, coming around a downhill blind corner and 2 cars (one a van) still overtook the cyclist causing me to swerve off the road almost and this was even before the new changes
P.s used to be cyclist myself until few years ago so know exactly how it feels on the receiving end. Especially when someone tried to pull out on me at a roundabout when I was almost right infront of them
A thing that I have noticed that is somewhat related to this is that people don't give way when there are parked cars on one or both sides of the road. Yes, there is enough space for both cars to pass but it is very tight.
Plus, a car door could open at any time, or a child appear.
A few years ago, I was overtaken by an articulated lorry. The driver gave me plenty space as he started the overtake. But as the cab passed me, he pulled back to the left, and the long trailer followed. As the gap narrowed and narrowed, I was forced right into the verge to avoid getting hit by the trailer. I ended up stopping and leaning away to avoid getting clipped by the tail end. I bet the driver thought he’d done a good job giving me loads of room at the start of his overtake.
3:13 this is local to me.
Not that it makes a difference to the clip but that stretch of road used to be two lanes and National speed limit (it’s a dual carriageway so that was 70mph). Changed a few years ago because of the number of accidents.
It means that lots of locals get stuck behind tourists and cyclists going slow through a section of road which uses to be ‘fun’ and they get impatient (myself included sometimes 🙈)
Also worth a mention that this cyclist is participating in a time trial race. Often held on early Sunday mornings or weekday evenings in the Summer and often on dual carriageways in order to chase fast times. Some people feel this is unsafe, but when you think about the lack of junctions, multiple lanes, great visibility and generally good road conditions, I think it's a safe sport.
@@pifko87 A bit pedantic, but time trails are not 'races', it's precisely why time trails became a thing when cycle racing was banned on the highways in the early part of the 20thC. People then decided they could go aainst the clock and be spread out by 30s-2mins so it didn't look like it was a massed race.
You are right in so far as safety on a d/c open roads with few junctions and straight lines/good sight lines.
The overtake was, according to the video, literally 6 seconds from a roundabout.
Drivers doing dangerous overtakes in that position, going over onto a hatched area bounded with a ridged solid line, which is an offence, need their points and a driving course, and hopefully an extended test - to wake them up.
Good job we have more cyclecams to catch such.
@@mattwardman I agree but there’s no roundabout near this part of road 😂
This is on a long stretch of the A66
@@connoroneill9406 My bad. I read the "bends" sign as a roundabout.
Good video. You're spot on,
I would add that you have shown here instances of passing cyclists too close on blind brows and blind corners where, as the word blind indicates it is impossible to pass safely. As a cyclist I would try to adopt the primary position in these situations (though that is sometimes not enough). It might not stop the overtake but it does give you somewhere to go when things go bad.
I adopt the primary position quite a lot, even though it angers people. My logic is: you're much more likely to be knocked off by accident than on purpose - they would have to make a conscious decision to knock you off
@@elliotpollard9083 Hi, yes good point. I thought the cyclist in the last clip (with the cones) should have or even ridden the other side the cones possibly. Not right but helpful in a live and let live sense.
It's not easy for people on cycles to push themselves out into the centre of the lane, particularly on higher speed limit roads. it's bad enough on urban roads. I see many an enthusiast cyclist hogging the edge of the road both when I'm cycling and on the odd occasion I get behind the wheel of a motor. if I'm on the bike and it's safe I might offer some advice to not ride so close to the kerb/road edge but honestly unless you're able to have a longer chat I don't think it's going to have a huge effect on how they ride simply due to how it feels for them as it's counter intuitive.
@@ynotnilknarf39 Hi, yes understandable. It takes a bit of nerve to ride on a busy "fast" road. It took me some time, but there are some stretches of road with no reasonable biking alternaitve such as I found on the A38 out of Gloucester into the Forest of Dean. I coped by literally putting the trafic out of my mind. There are few blind bends and brows there so the primary position was not appropriate then. In many other national limit roads, what we might call ordinary country roads, though where there are plenty of such danger points. It is a matter of timing, get out there in a big gap, be vissable.
Riding on busy "fast" roads is definately not for the beginner. Good luck and safe riding.
I'm familiar with the roundabout at 5:07, it's near the hospital on the ring road at Worcester. That section of dual carriageway is National Speed Limit, going down to 40mph by the next roundabout. As traffic could be moving at motorway speed, would you cycle on a road like this, assuming the roadworks were not there, and where would you position yourself? This is a genuine question; I'm not trying to be inflammatory.
Cyclists, and indeed pedestrians and horses, are allowed on all non-motorway roads and the onus is on drivers not to hit them. Personally I find walking or cycling on any road quite frightening so am forced to get in my car to go to the shops which only adds to congestion and pollution.
There is some impatient idiots on the road, but there is also people who do act with kindness. The other evening when out 2 cars passed me perfectly fine. Then there was a car waiting to cross a narrow bridge and waited for the 2 cars to cross the bridge and I was maybe 5 to 10 seconds behind and they could have went if wanted, but decided to wait so I gave the young lad a wave of thanks
The food delivery van using the coned off area to overtake in the last clip is pretty typical too
Or going on the wrong side of a Ballard, island in the middle of the road.
For that last clip I would have used the edge of the road so as not to inconvenience others. I'm not sure the legality of crossing the solid line but common sense says it wouldn't be an issue.
yeah but you would never get back in again
Lot of glass and other sharp objects that side of the line
Thats where all the road debris is…thats a sure fire way to get a puncture. If I’d been the driver i’d have done exactly what this driver did and waited for a safe place to pass..I’m never in that much of a hurry that I would risk injuring someone..or damaging my car for that matter.
Doesn't excuse the drivers though. I probably would too, but there's increased potential of debris you'll have to steer around & puncture risk & you can bet the passing traffic would have got faster & faster until you had a van, truck or bus doing 50 just a foot off your elbow.
Common sense and being nice they may do that, but they should be in no way obligated/expected to do that
Another good video - it's like CPD for drivers!
In the last clip, what does the solid line on the left denote ?
Edge of road
Drivers should understand that pedestrians, cyclists and riders have the absolute right to be on the road. We drivers have to have a permit, otherwise a driving license to operate a motor vehicle and need to demonstrate that they can drive to an acceptable standard. If you drive in a manner that does not meet the license requirements that license can be withdrawn. Driving is a privilege not a right. Additionally if someone drove in the manner of these idiots and injured or inconvenienced a member of your family how would you feel?
Very true
I don’t think the cyclist in the Range Rover clip deliberately took up a bad road position , I don’t think he was paying attention to what was behind him. I’d have given him a ‘pip’ to let him know I was there….I’m also an older cyclist/motorist…
Or maybe he judged that it was not a safe place to be overtaken and so took up the primary position as a deterence.
Or maybe he was avoiding a piece of road debris or defect in the surface, or...
That is exactly what the horn is for. Too many use it to express frustration.
Yea, looking at the position they were quite far out, given the hill just before i wonder if they taken that position to prevent passing on the hill and the range rover driver was just too impatient to wait for them to return to the side. Quick beep of the horn could have been appropriate but just driving at them anyway and hoping they moved seemed pretty dumb.
My new commute has a short section of 40-50mph dual carriageway, and it’s drivers like 3:33 I worry about when I’m trying to get home after 11.5 hours.
3:32 I want to know what camera is used here, it's the best camera quality in my opinion I've ever seen!!!
Would have been good to see that last clip play out. See if they caught up with van abusing the closed lane.
90% of the time the cyclist is only delaying you catching up with the actual delay.
We used to see educational films from the Department of Transport on safe driving. Time to bring them back?
I doubt many people would take much notice of them these days
Starting with the Green Cross Code. Too many pedestrians just walk out without looking.
@@margaretnicol3423 It was taught in the 2010's for primary schools.
Idk now though...
@@margaretnicol3423 that reminds me of a time several years ago, a teenage boy walked out of a shop on a corner and walked into the road without looking and I had to break hard on my pushbike
He then stood in the middle of the road talking to some girls and as I cycled past himI was able to yell right down his left ear very loudly *"LOOK OUT"* - well the swearing and name calling that followed me up the road proved that I had given him the fright of his life, hopefully needing clean underpants, and a right embarrassment in front of his friends, but if that had been a car............
have you seen "educational films" of the TAC?
check out my playlist on "Road safety ads" :D
Your comment on the third clip re pressure may well hit the nail on the head for bus drivers. I prefer safe legal & late rather than unsafe, illegal & the late (victim)
The 1:20 bus over take is an interesting one I was under the impression red route chevrons you are not allowed to overtake on or do I have that wrong?
Was the bus driver caught and delt with in any way?
Brittain is famous for manners, courtesy and etiquette. You couldn’t tell from the way people drive there. Could it be that all the cropped up frustrations from being polite all day come out on the roads?
Also, I feel like some of those cyclists could have easily moved over to the left a bit more to share the road.
@Nigel Buckham I’ve been riding a bike my whole life LOL
The first clip with the cyclist is Luton Road, Chatham, Kent, another clip from this area. The driving around here is appalling. This road is quite long and not quite straight, it was a rat run so the council put in chicanes , they don’t help as people park in them. Just recently they have added speed bumps, I doubt they will do any good either.
The biggest close passing problem I have is when I'm turning right. Often cars behind me will get impatient as I wait for a gap in the oncoming lane, and try to squeeze past me on the left.
4:48 “Standard behaviour”.
Err, no it’s not…
…sometimes they turn left! 😮
...without indicating first. Another accident waiting to happen.
So called professional drivers should be held to a much higher standard than they are currently. Blatant disregard for human life/welfare is lethal and should be a 1 strike and out policy.
True, but unlikely with the nationwide shortage of bus and lorry drivers. The bus industry in particular is paying peanuts. How does that old saying go...?
I agree, even forgoing that they are often in the larger vehicle than other road users they are also an ambassador for that brand. It's not Bus Driver injures cyclist, it's Stagecoach Bus Driver injures cyclist. However, we are in the middle of a chronic shortage of drivers, from Taxi's to Buses to Lorries and it seems like they can get away with anything and drivers will less skills and experience are being taken on. Just look at Delieveroo, etc delivery drivers, around here at least there are loads of them on mopeds with L plates and they are speeding, jumping lights, riding on pavements, etc.
it's always been said bigger the vehicle bigger the responsibility.
even before the code changes.
Surely a lethal blatant disregard for human life/welfare should be 1 strike and out for all, not just professional drivers.
1:13 This is part of my commute. There's a quarter mile straight downhill section (to a set of traffic lights of course!) just behind where the cammer starts, so I imagine that overtake was short lived. Nothing out of the ordinary for this stretch of road, sadly. Some cyclists use the pavement since it's rarely used and I don't blame them.
I quite cycling due to this type of behavior here in NYS, USA. I now use public transit and walk.
However frustrated you may get Remember it’s not worth endangering a life…..stay safe
Boohoo your honour, I'm a professional driver, I need my license for my job. 🧐
2:16 Learner driver with an arm out? The instructor is at the wheel Ashley.
That's the passengers side
The highway code does state that if you are the cause of a queue of traffic, then you should pull over when it is safe to do so and let the faster traffic pass. This goes for busses that are ahead of schedule, cyclists, farm vehicles etc.
4:40 Endcliffe Park, Sheffield. I use this regularly and the driver was in the wrong (as clear as the video shows) - no progress is made quickly on this stretch
I am a cyclist and looking at 5:42 into this video the cyclist could have easily pulled into the lane for turning left giving room for cars to pass easily that is what I would have done.
@Nigel Buckham Why, because he has a brain and recognises roads are SHARED. Vehicles have just as much right to be on the road as cyclists. Motorists look after cyclists, cyclists look after motorised. Just because you're on a bike, you're not superior. PS, yes I too am also a regular cyclist and also would've pulled off to the left when safe if I had been forming a large queue behind me. It's a win-win letting people pass:
People don't get inconvenienced by me,
There's no one behind me for long periods of time getting impatient who'll do a risky stupid overtake.
Benefits them, benefits me.
Days are getting shorter, and the weather is getting worse.
Cyclists will be going slower and will have more hazards near the gutters.
GIVE THEM ROOM!
Also that clip with the kids. They should be so ashamed. A family on bikes, heading to a farm shop (of all tranquil places), with clear blue skies. Just have some peace within VW :(
4'40" is in Sheffield, on Rustlings Road going towards Hunters Bar
I used to cycle everywhere in my youth, and i for one have seen this sort of behaviour from buses alot. The city i live in has 2 bus companies, the 1st hit me by not giving me enough room while overtaking (he literally clipped my handle bars sending me into the curb and then thankfully the pavement, had i bounced back into the road id have been run over by the heavy traffick behind). The 2nd bus company got me in a head on collision near a crossing where the bus i clearly saw went through quite fast while the lights was on amber. Cycling i love and would do again but NOT with all these crazy, selfish, inconciderate and outright shallow people driving like muppets!
That last clip the cyclist should have used the left turn lane to let some of the traffic pass. It cuts both ways.
But he's not turning left. You're saying he should break the highway code because the motorists behind don't want to be inconvenienced.
afaik a turn lane is for turning.
And with some bad luck he is even going to block the turn lane to rejoin the main lane
Try riding regularly, then see if you have th same answer.
Strange. Someone else posted a comment saying the same thing as me and Ashley has pinned it. Seems all the people with no ability to apply common sense to a situation preferred to come to my comment.
I think part of the problem with these types of close passes is that cyclists often ride too close to the kerb. Ride a bit further out and you'll make drivers take more care when passing, and you'll have somewhere to go if they get too close.
Indeed. Secondary position at least. Where it isn't safe to overtake, primary
The trouble with that is that you get Mr Angry in his panzerwagon, hooting and hurling abuse about being "in the middle of the road". Usually followed by claims of paying road tax and cyclists being freeloaders.
@@smiffy925 the reason cyclists wear Lycra is because you get thick skinned 😂
@@smiffy925 Well, in most incidents when such things happen, it is just barking without any biting. The biting has already been thwarted when you for instance ride in the middle of the lane at a narrow part of the road (such as a pinch point) and prevents a bad driver from passing you dangerously close. I very much take the barking rather than the biting.
Thanks Ashley - This is a very serious issue - James Cracknell got hit by a truck's mirror cycling across America and suffered brain damage & a colleague of mine's husband was tragically killed after he was hit by a van's mirror on the back of the head - "staying alive at 1.5!"
Thank you for putting up this video. I do believe road design is a contributing factor. Namely, to many drivers it always looks as if they own the road. It might be made better if this "I drive a car therefore I am entitled to go fast everywhere" attitude could be lessened somewhat. I like the dutch "red on both sides" design for narrow roads over the "stripe down the middle".