Thanks very much for the video Gordon, I love all the great work that eFixx are doing. I have been on my own personal journey into heating controls and pipework, and sadly I have found that in the UK there is a significant gap in knowledge and experience. When we say 'smart' what exactly are the main advantages and disadvantages? Finding trades people who sufficiently understand the modulation benefits of one set of controls over another to go with your boiler seems a very difficult task. My current understanding is that in general, it is best to use the boiler manufacturer's controls, as these controls will communicate via the boiler's proprietory bus protocol, and operate your boiler as efficiently as possible. There are exceptions to this, for example if you have a boiler that can communicate via the standard OpenTherm protocol, then you can efficiently use a range of controls that also communicate via OpenTherm from other suppliers. Another exception, although even rarer, is some suppliers have controls that communicate via some of the popular boiler proprietory protocols. OpenTherm is very common in mainland Europe, and indeed it's mandated in The Netherlands, but strangely isn't common in the UK. Tado have a very mixed track record on their support for OpenTherm - they did support it, then they didn't, and now they are apparently partially going to support it again. Honeywell (now Residio) have always supported OpenTherm (they invented it), and most boiler manufacturers support it (although sadly not Worcester Bosch, or Valliant). Heatmiser sadly also don't support OpenTherm in most of their controls products. And then trying to get your UFH working efficiency with your boiler is yet another level of difficulty, as this then involves varied flow rates (as the actuators open and close on demand). Tradesmen don't seem to know or care enough about different flow rates in the primary boiler circuit, and secondary UFH circuit, and how best to design for this with pipework and controls. The exciting new Matter standard so far has NO heating control functionality, but there apparently are plans to add it to Matter in the future, but probably is years away.
Thanks for the feedback Stewart. The whole world of heating control still seems to sit at the very edges of what is real smart home tech. Let's hope this changes as we move towards more integrated energy systems and the new future homes standard. However, I think it will be sometime before the manufacturers in this space realise the opportunity. EV chargers, solar inverters and energy management all have a huge roll to play. They don't even talk to smart meters properly!
In one point it's convenient the tado is battery powere, although if you need to fit one in every room there will be a lot of batteries to replace. Can the Tado be powered by 220-240v?
Thanks so much for making this video. Quick question: what if you have multiple underfloor heating zones? Can you have multiple wired Tado thermostats for each UFH zone?
Great video. I’m looking to replace an existing Siemens UFH controller the uses RF. it has a receiver that is wired into a junction box and then into the combo boiler. Can I use a tado to replace this setup?
Hey thanks for sharing. Can I ask what electric cable goes into the wired thermostat? Is it a 3 core and earth? Or a 2 core and earth? I can't tell based on the colour of your wires that's why...
Or you could use something zigbee based together with home assistant, so that you can do as you please. Proprietary standards suck, especially if they are cloud based. What's that, your Internet connection is down? Tado servers can't be reached, and all of a sudden your fancy smart thermostat is dumb again.
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Thanks very much for the video Gordon, I love all the great work that eFixx are doing. I have been on my own personal journey into heating controls and pipework, and sadly I have found that in the UK there is a significant gap in knowledge and experience.
When we say 'smart' what exactly are the main advantages and disadvantages? Finding trades people who sufficiently understand the modulation benefits of one set of controls over another to go with your boiler seems a very difficult task. My current understanding is that in general, it is best to use the boiler manufacturer's controls, as these controls will communicate via the boiler's proprietory bus protocol, and operate your boiler as efficiently as possible. There are exceptions to this, for example if you have a boiler that can communicate via the standard OpenTherm protocol, then you can efficiently use a range of controls that also communicate via OpenTherm from other suppliers. Another exception, although even rarer, is some suppliers have controls that communicate via some of the popular boiler proprietory protocols. OpenTherm is very common in mainland Europe, and indeed it's mandated in The Netherlands, but strangely isn't common in the UK.
Tado have a very mixed track record on their support for OpenTherm - they did support it, then they didn't, and now they are apparently partially going to support it again. Honeywell (now Residio) have always supported OpenTherm (they invented it), and most boiler manufacturers support it (although sadly not Worcester Bosch, or Valliant). Heatmiser sadly also don't support OpenTherm in most of their controls products.
And then trying to get your UFH working efficiency with your boiler is yet another level of difficulty, as this then involves varied flow rates (as the actuators open and close on demand). Tradesmen don't seem to know or care enough about different flow rates in the primary boiler circuit, and secondary UFH circuit, and how best to design for this with pipework and controls.
The exciting new Matter standard so far has NO heating control functionality, but there apparently are plans to add it to Matter in the future, but probably is years away.
Thanks for the feedback Stewart. The whole world of heating control still seems to sit at the very edges of what is real smart home tech. Let's hope this changes as we move towards more integrated energy systems and the new future homes standard.
However, I think it will be sometime before the manufacturers in this space realise the opportunity. EV chargers, solar inverters and energy management all have a huge roll to play. They don't even talk to smart meters properly!
In one point it's convenient the tado is battery powere, although if you need to fit one in every room there will be a lot of batteries to replace. Can the Tado be powered by 220-240v?
Great demo, but had the thermostat been originally wired to control all three zones?
One zone already had a nest thermostat and two valves. The remaining zone for a smaller room had the Danfoss timer / stat
Thanks for this help video. Could this battery panel work seperatly, I mean, move it from the wall, put it on the table
Can this be used for ceiling heating also?
Thanks! Lovely video! The tado wired thermostat doesn't have an extension to a ground heat sensor probe. Is there any solutions around this?
Thanks so much for making this video. Quick question: what if you have multiple underfloor heating zones? Can you have multiple wired Tado thermostats for each UFH zone?
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Great video. I’m looking to replace an existing Siemens UFH controller the uses RF. it has a receiver that is wired into a junction box and then into the combo boiler. Can I use a tado to replace this setup?
They have options for wired (the one in this video) and wireless which has a receiver which gets wired to the boiler.
Hey thanks for sharing. Can I ask what electric cable goes into the wired thermostat? Is it a 3 core and earth? Or a 2 core and earth? I can't tell based on the colour of your wires that's why...
Not a simple job , you really need to check every aspect of your system to confirm this will work. I have a similar setup and it wouldn't work
This video only applies to a very specific application which should be in the title….. pretty much mostly useless information for most applications
We think it’s titled quite accurately - what are you trying to find?
Or you could use something zigbee based together with home assistant, so that you can do as you please. Proprietary standards suck, especially if they are cloud based.
What's that, your Internet connection is down? Tado servers can't be reached, and all of a sudden your fancy smart thermostat is dumb again.