Now THIS is Powercreep | Su-27 War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- The Su-27S comes to the game at... 12.3? And fighting no better than AIM-7Ms (for radar missiles) with up to 6 of the best radar missiles ingame... while still having incredibly IR missiles as well. It's a VERY strong contender, just on missiles alone.
00:00 Intro
00:50 Weaponry and R-73
03:09 R-27 Family
04:40 Flare Resistance of R-73 vs R-27ET
05:50 Su-27 Flight Performance
08:10 Downsides
Outro Music - "Just Free" produced by Lucas Ricciotti under license, used with permission: • How To Train Your Drag...
Discord link: / discord - Ігри
File a bug report whenever an F-15 is shot down
Lol
FACTUAL!!!!
Right
Most based comment of the decade
@@VERTIGO13275 REPLIES
I just love that my 1960s Phantom has to fight 1980s planes now
I'm flying an F4j phantom right now and top tier is a real pain in the ass right now.
@@stimolego9989 same
Guess what. Mig-21s can encounter top tier. How's that for balance?
1980s planes also carrying 1990s missiles
@@Nothing-yq2gzif your Russian
"You should not be able to kill someone when you're flatspinning"
Gaijin: "THERES A BEAST INSIDE YOU. IT WILL NOT DIE. IT WILL FIFHT BACK"
*Destroyed tank comes back to life, ramming another tank to its death*
To be fair if someone fails to kill a flat spinning plane and then dies by it I call skill issue
Yet if an f15 gets a damaged wingtip the radar quits working…
they've hinted about this from the start oh god
Never let them know your next move him " we shouldn't be able to down enemy aircraft in a flat spin like this " everyone "shhhhhhhhhhh"
And the destroyed tank is the Maus💀
"The instructor saves you from flatspins"
Me watching the instructor stop my su 27 from rolling and making to nose bob up and down like a dolphin at low speed causing me to slam into the ground
Yea like wtf is this fm
@@Panzerzwerg ffs the flight model is fine, the instructor is the problem. Same with the gripen, the outdated instructor doesn’t know how to properly fly planes like them, hell it even struggles with all of the old swing wing planes. Example: in arcade with the f14 at low speed it will jam the rudder to one side and hold it there
@Panzerzwerg you can turn off the instructor in the settings
@@brendanharvey3583 You can't.
@@TheByQQ omg of course you can and everyone knows that . Go back and take a good look at the settings dude😂
this totally deserves to be at the same br as the mig-29 smt btw
I also love how this can fight Mig-23MLs and F-4Js.
love when my starfighter faces 4th gen fighters@@jojomaster7675
war thunder: propabanda simulator
@@kingghidorah8106 Yup, exactly
The F-15 has to be flown like a Flanker meanwhile, the Flanker is flown like an F-15, Gaijin knew exactly what they were doing with this patch, and it's sad to see because on DCS the F-15 vs Flanker is a fun fight on both sides, both having their strengths and weaknesses.
Russian bias moments.... F15 makes them paper with capping pull at 9G meanwhile flanker pulling 10G+ on the deck with no problem. Now, it's only fun for the Su27 and F15 need to play it really careful. Kinda sad tbh
I don't think Gaijin did know what they are doing on this patch. They would have no logical reason to unbalance the game. I just think they didn't account for what the game system suspends to make the game less complicated. Additionally they probably should not have added these as direct competitors, as the main reason the su-27 was created is to create a direct counter to the f-15. The su-27 began development soon after the introduction of the f-15, and released 9 whole years later. Realistically the Su-27 should be at a higher br.
You got f16 that got disabled the g limiter that can win the mig29 and su27 when you know what you are doing@@notmyrealaccount5245
@notmyrealaccount5245 you can pull 10gs+ on the deck with the F-15 just expect the wings to rip though. I dont think I've had a jet rip their wings at top tier more than the F-15 meanwhile damn near every other plane currently can pull 12gs back to back in twelve different directions with zero repercussions.
@@Thebaconmurderer12G with 15 minutes of fuel. I do it all the time. The F-15 is way less fragile than it was in the dev server and it is getting buffed again.
The 🦅 will dominate the SU-27 in a 2 circle all day.
9:16 He is smashing his keyboard right now 😂
imagine all the people who ground out the 29SMT only to get a plane thats better in every regard added within 4 months
MiG-29 could carry R-77 so maybe it'll be back later this year
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@@D0gEAtD0gmy theory is the F16C, MiG29 SMT, MiG29G,F15J, J8F, JAS39C, JA37D and Barack II will retroactively get fox 3 missiles alongside the release of a new F15C and Su27(late?) with fox 3 missiles as well.
God damn it...
don't have the SU-17's too🙁
Su 27 can’t carry r77 right? What better way to balance them out then to give the SMT its R77
6:30 that would have been a crazy reversal if your missile hit, I was holding my breath hoping to see the missile connect, what a shame it didn't. Love the work man keep it up!
tbh Im surprised nato still doesnt have improved variants of aim7. They dont fly any differently (starting aim7f they stopped changing the flight characteristics) but the seeker improvements giving datalink and inertial guidance for when lock breaks could still be useful, and it is already modeled ingame for other sarh's
The MH didn’t have inertial guidance but the data link would still make it so much better to use.
@@christopherchartier3017 the loft of the MH could help a little as well
@@liamtung4435for long range kinematics it would. It would still be worse than the R-27 but it would help
@@christopherchartier3017 would also be cool to possibly see the 7P, just sucks we'll probably never see the peak of the Aim7's before the 120's come :(
@@Jazzyo7 Yeah. Aim-7P’s I think we’re a naval version used by the hornet, not sure if Air Force jets ever got them.
Very satisfying video man, with all those crazy missile kills
there are different laucnhing systems installed under the wings and under the fuselage, the 27ETs and 27Ts cannot be launched from the fuselage pylons because afaik they're work like a catapult, and the IR-seeker missiles couldn't be lauched like that, you can google for more info on it
Guys,is it me or AIM-7M's are getting notched very easily in this patch? I'm having a hard time getting frags with Sparrows.
Not just you, Aim-7F/M's are just flying random directions even with perfect PD locks.
Yea, had 4 perfect locks in the F15 with the 7Ms and they all dove into the ground 5 seconds after launch. I think they mixed up the reliability of the sparrows and R-27…
Literally had an Aim-7m go pitbull on a non locked friendly AI today, they're trash
It's like Gaijin has finally just abandoned all pretenses of neutrality when it comes to favoring different countries.
What amazes me about R73 is they can pull insane Gs and still barely lose any range, it doesn't matter how little drag you have, when the missile is thrust vectoring its whole side should be dragging, and i don't think it does
definitely doesn’t, but are you surprised? meanwhile magic 2s which irl have similar range to r73s only just now got their range buffed. some other missiles still have unrealistic negative drag, but the r73 seems like it doesn’t have any at all, lmao
Is that a Su-27 in the thumbnail? I can’t tell, please add more arrows.
TRUUUUUUU
My beloved flanker.
if the r73 is complicated and hard to flare imagine the aim9x which is literally a camera guided missile with the same range as the r27et and 60g of pull
I agree. The pilot’s first thought would be “I gotta get out now!!”not “mmmm let me wait and see what comes along”
Is the flight model off for it? Just feels like it can’t pull or the nose want to go straight down
Fun fact, at 35000 ft those R27ETs can hit a side aspect jet at 18km to 20km. And the ERs can hit someone 70km away.
Anyone else experienced missles that turn... Then just stop mid air and hover or sit one spot and turn in circles?
When you said the hmd should turn off, from experience with the F4S if you are given the j out prompt the hmd (for radar at least) is disabled.
Can't wait for the Su-30
That would be too op, that plane is ridiculous (well the modernized variants mostly)
I can’t wait for a faster missile like the pl5b/pl8 with irccm.
PL-8B it is
ets are the ultimate skill checking missile (when you fire from the deck)
HMD in fact does stop to function but once you're counted as "dead"
Right, which is why I specifically mention critical damage as I wasn't counted as "dead' despite tanking an AIM-7 and being uncontrollable
Seeing that Lee uploaded yet another great video makes me so happy
Hope you enjoyed it!
how do you get the stats for the missles?
Time for AIM120A and AIM9X
120B or C
AIM-120A is dogshit
r77m, r74m2 or r27em should be enough
@@sickleandhammer5010 I highly doubt any of Russians modern stuff would beat modern NATO equipment
Gaijin really pushing the soviet wonderweapon propaganda lately I wonder why...
how does it feel firing every missile and every one of those hits every time that is unflareable
5:21 What do all the different IR bands in the game mean?
In this video it's Su-27S but in my game client it's Su-27 without S.
I know S = serial production but still wondering why?
9:20 that's what you get for trying to steal someone kill. Perfect.
R-27ET is super fun ,my personal record was rear aspect kill from 11km
R27ET is basically magic 2 with extend range if u use for rear aspect
AM I THE ONLY ONE SHOCKED AT HOW MANY ARROWS HE PUT IN THE THUMBNAIL????
9:03 I don’t know about the Su-27, but in the MiG-29 when you are severely damaged and in an uncontrollable fall to the ground your HMD does not work. Maybe they forgot to put that restriction on the Su-27.
About the hmd when in that state, the ussr gets to use their hmd when going down but USA doesn’t so it’s unfair especially when they have r73
I've gotten kills when spinning in the 16c, along as it's not an aggressive spin you can usually get a missle out
Your HMD only deactivates when the message saying “You will leave the aircraft in x”
Best missiles in the game and has 10 of them and Russian mains are still complaining 🙄
That’s because the only thing they don’t have is flight performance. The F-15, Gripen, and Mirage is currently better in terms of dogfight.
@@Bobspineablewhy get into dogfight when ur missile can just kill them🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@raizel2601 because soviet mains are obsessed with dogfighting even if their plane isn’t made for it lmfao
, потому что нет применения 6 27 ер, в лучшем случае 2 реализуешь и начнётся ближний бой, где тебя задушат и закрутят
@@raizel2601 missile carriers are the first things to get power crept. Stuff like F-14s are still good purely because the flight performance carries them while the F-4EJ Kai is terrible even with good missiles.
Haven't won a single non-mixed game against russia this patch. Working as intended.
us teams are just ass
@@ferrous3262 this cope can’t work forever lmfao, Russia has it easy just stop lying
@@LewisB3217 you know this is true us teams have been dying as soon as the match starts almost every match
@@ferrous3262 definitely not lmao but whatever you say comrade, I’m sure that’s why Russia has a 72% winrate in ground and the best air weapons 🤥
@@LewisB3217 why did u even bring up ground rb its not part of the convo. when I was trying to grind the f-15 it was horrible my team were insta wipes
The Flanker sucks when it comes to trying to turn, I really want it to actually allow you to turn on and off the flight controller, hopefully it gets that ability at some point.
when your carrying 10 missiles and 43 minutes if fuel obviously you wont be turning well
@@whybother7632 min fuel no misses its still the same
@@whybother7632 it’s not that you don’t turn well, it’s that you get one good turn and you lose all your speed
So the Aim-120 is op than this 10 missiles carrier ?
you do know that the AIM-120 is active-radar missle... you can fire it from 20 km and turn around (going cold aspect) and the missile will track and kill its target... the "10 missile carrier" can not do such thing. And the moment they add AIM-120... the other side will have R-77 (the same thing but soviet), there will not be another "F-14 f*cking up the top tier"...
yes
No
the A or B wouldn't tbh no
adding six 1990's missile on Su-27 while there is only 1985 MSIP upgrade F-15 without any AIM-120A(1991).
Just Gaijin as usual.
It almost makes me to miss 'Danger Zone' powercreep which was 'touchable' theoretically. Great.
I mean the f15a MSIP doesn’t get any AMRAAMs, the f15c did
@@brodykloster2102 f15a MSIP program was canceled, this f15 should have a better radar and AMRAAMs
@@brodykloster2102 True, actually MSIP I upgrade for 15A is cancelled... and I wonder why they add this variant.
Just for another stock grinding? Just to force players grind once more?
It's like how Mirage 4K got a 530D. And how F-16AJ came.
kind a bullshit. really.
@@Takamiya_Mio I mean they added it cause they always add the early variants, then the late ones, if they added the f15a it wouldn’t have any counter measures and it would have aim 9j and aim 7e/e-2, which would suck but it’d be a fun jet at a br of like 11.0, they should’ve done that instead of the mirage 2000 cs-4 imo for the winter event, but in the future they’ll add the f15c with AMRAAMs which gets a new rwr radar cockpit and engines, the f15j rn is a copy and paste f15a that’s a little heavier, but irl it was an f15c
I just want data link for aim 7 like the 7P. Like the 27er is from the. 90s whereas the 7M is from 1977.
7M is from 1982. If we are going by start of production and not service entry then 27er is from 1987.
@@shepardpolska aim7p is from 1987 aswell iirc. wish we get it in game , r27er would still be better , but aim7p will definitely close the gap between aim7m n r27er.
@@hemendraravi4787 If I remember right, AIM-7P is just a software upgrade to the AIM-7MN, which was itself also a software only upgrade. It gets mid course correction antena, which is only usefull at ranges where the seeker doesn't see the target(doesn't happen a lot in WT), and Lofting I think. It would still have worse kinematics then the ER.
They could easily add it, but I am not sure how much difference would it make compared to the 7M.
Funny thing about this that we need to understand
It sees the F-104S.ASA on the regular
justice for 104s!
put the Su-27, Gripen and F-15 at 13.0
the Gripen is like a swedish F-16C and should be at 12.3
no one plays the asa lmao, + italian mains can cope
@@-varmi-that's hardly an argument, this ain't grade school Buddy.
Su-27/j11 is the only one that should go to 13.0, the others should be 12.7
agree all new aircraft must be in 13.0 at minimum
I really don't like how much speed it bleeds when it turns. yeah it can help get behind someone, which is great in sim (and it is amazing in sim). But in air rb there's 15 more players on the enemy team with markers on your head and now you're slow with missiles coming at you. Personally, and i can't believe I'm saying this, I like the f15 more in air rb than the flanker this patch. Also Gripy go brrrr
R27R(ER) cant re lock any targets if u broke the lock.. (IRL)
uf u loose loock - missle goes stupid.
also how the heck u firing ER missles without pointing ur radar to ur target?
are u serious ? r27r can do that not even r27er , its mentioned in yugoslavian mig29 manual , heck r27r had loal capability in real life , you can see a target in tws , fire ur missile without a lock and ur radar will automatically lock the enemy (it roughly estimates the time for r27 to get close to the target) , re lock the target on its own, basically acting like a fox 3 missile. r27 has datalink + iog so its definitely possible. but obviously it will mostly work only if the target flies in a straight line. if u change ur direction even by 10* left or right then the chances of it missing are extremely high.
Also two times in this video my point about Players being booted once they are "killed" has been proven. Once you are out of the fight, you should be out of the fight. You shouldn't be able to sling missiles once your Jet is trashed. I'm glad you agree with me on that because I got SO much backlash when I brought it up myself. (Was destroyed in an F-14B and while falling to the ground in a burning wreck was able to fire an Aim-9L straight down which then curved straight up doing a complete 180 and killing the guy that killed me without him ever even knowing)
The amount of times, even in props, that I've been taken out by someone who's name is dark and already appeared in the kill feed is way too many. I've only done it that one time, because I try not to be an arsehat and J out as soon as I'm too damaged to fly(or get killed but don't get booted) to avoid "enemy's" kill stealing from each other. Realistic Battles are supposed to be "realistic" and no Pilot is ever going to ride out a plane that can't fly anymore(let alone on fire) to get one more shot. They're gonna bail out immediately. I can imagine this sort of thing in Arcade but not RB/SB
if the pilot isnt dead and the weapon systems are still functional i dont see why they should get an attempt to take someone down with them, there has even been times where ive been "shot down" but still flown back to base cause my plane was operational enough
9:18 that’s funny because the HMD doesn’t work on any other aircraft besides russian ones when you die, doesn’t work on the 16 or gripen once ur wing is gone
I've gotten kills in my 16c that way multiple times, works for me. Along as you aren't in a super aggressive spin, it works, slow spins, and it works perfectly fine.
It's about whether or not you're set as 'destroyed' - losing a wing, losing your pilot, and sometimes even losing your engines will make you destroyed which disables HMD and radar, losing both your tail sections in most cases just means your plane will eventually go down but the game doesn't immediately flag you as shot down. When Lee had access to his HMD, if he hit tab and looked at the scoreboard he'd actually still be alive (this is why the F-14 even bothered to shoot him down, or at least try to)
@@Kesiath which is why I said it should turn off for severe damage too IMO
@@GeneralLee2000 I agree for the most part, for air RB it would definitely be better for gameplay. I often find myself looking over my shoulder even at shot-down planes to watch for missile launches.
A wishlist item of mine would be if the phsyical components which make HMD function or allow the missiles to even start their lock could be hit similar to someone's radar, as well as other avionics and systems. A higher degree of system modelling seems unlikely but one can dream.
Best loadout: 4 R-73, 4 R-27ER and 2 R-27ET
Easily. If we could take 4 ETs and only 2 ERs I would.
Gijian-Russian bias doesn’t exist!
The Russian bias-8:50
Thank you for actually putting the HMD kills after death and in flatspins in a negative light. That stuff is so lame. You're basically forced into continuing a dogfight with a dead aircraft until they either hit the ground, get forced out or leave willingly. You're unable to extend and regain energy while potentially other enemies come in and try and kill you.
Radar has been gimped hard af. The electro optical is trash compared to what it could really do. Everyone Flys low, so ers aren't all that useful. And it loses hard in a low speed rate fight against anything. R73 and hmd are only reason it's competitive.
Finally another players sees past the 10 missiles and tells it how it is. The missiles are great, but kinda a moot point when your radar is so bad that you only get a solid track once in a blue moon.
@@MarkDrisch But you don't need a solid track like a sparrow, you just need to lock it, shoot it and re-lock it before it hits.
We really needed the AIm-120A Early its a 25 mile range missile 35G its just a mix of a Aim-7E-2/Aim-54A thats all the AIm-120A Early is the more higher you go the more further you can kill a target the Early version of the Aim-120A wasnt super good its better than the Aim-7M but it keeps right their with the R-27ER the ER does have a better range but the Aim-120A has that pitbull feature which is what makes it deadly not to mention the Aim-120's are known to be like a Dog fight missile a target can be 1.5km and it will turn and kill the target WE REALLY need the Aim-120A Early
I would only recommend properly playing the full real control with dedicated simulator keybimds to limit the chances of flat spinning. Or atleast just change it from that ugly big circle on your screen to just a empty screen that moves to reletive mouse controls
What does powercreep mean ?
Now thats some Ace combat sh*t 6:13
How many missiles? Enough to put red arrows on the thumbnail.
You miss spelled Powercreep, Its actually spelt,RUSSIAN BAIS.
1 minute ago. Your timing is great. Waiting to load into a Rust server cause im already bored of WT. 💀
gaijin should have added the aim-7mh/p when they added the ERs last year. -_-
Honestly 27ERs should be the Russian answer to the AIM-120A. That would actually be a really interesting match.
It might be a situation like apex predators, where they put these up a bit later because lets be honest 11.3s shoukd not see these
At 6:26 he started playing Ace Combat.
It’s unbelievable that countries like Italy are supposed to fight these with f-104s
Should be 13.3
fr bro, like how is this balance to gaijin
@@Tethra.Editsscry more, what aboutany plane that uses aim9m?
@@spacemane_official they should go up as well, stop being a troll
All 4 gen should be 13.0+ at least so why only this one?
13.3? Against what other SU 27? for me it should be 1.0 against reserve planes
>RU winrate already insanely high
>Still adds most competent plane ever seen in gamemode to RU tree
Gaijin aren't even being subtle anymore are they?
Currently... The F15 engines are missing 1/3 of their thrust. The radar is not modeled correctly, it acts like an F4 radar but should be the best in game by far. And they limited the at sea level top speed.... Plus, the R27ER has better flight characteristics than the AIM120, yeah I know the R27 has to keep lock but that's not hard to do.
if f15 gets aim120 there is a high chance gaijin will add a 90s flanker that can carry r77. (even if r77 maybe inferior to aim120) su27 will have r27er that has better kinematics than aim120 and also a fox 3 (r77) so su27 will probably be the best , unless gaijin gimps r77. (only way to balance it).
The F-15 radar works pretty damn well from my opinion. It's just lacking in options, such as TWS and better radar missiles. While the Su-27 has up to 6 of the best radar missiles in the game, its radar is so bad that in reality it's no better than having a SMT with only 2 ERs but a way better radar.
@@MarkDrischthe f15 radar sucks ingame lmao, it should be way stronger, the su27 is way better any way you try to cope
how is it cope? I own both and like the F-15 more...@@LewisB3217
We don't know the thrust of the F-100-PW-100 series, there are a few guesses to be made but no, there is no way anyone can emphatically say the F-15A as is, is 'missing thrust', I don't know where you people found this information, it's in the 35,000+ lbs. category so it doesn't even need it as is in game.
The 220 will give the F-15 better thrust later but the current engines are not missing any thrust likely.
tbh real life had powercreep too 😭
*AMRAAM has entered the chat*
9:20 I think u should be given a chance to fire or a few but not longer then 15-20 seconds before getting kicked out
Its the best jet this patch but the F-15 is still gr8 in sim
sucks in rb tho (the 15)
Right ? They massacred the f15
@@chilledguy7289 yeh i've noticed quite a few bugs. especially with top speed radar, TWR and energy retention. The fact it has no HMD and no amraams/aam-4 is just sad.
SU-27 on the other hand... HMD, outturns basically everything (including itself sometimes xD), 10 missiles 6 of which are best in class..... like ye this was a joke.... SU-27 is just too strong to be added atm but meh snail do snail things.
@@jerryjuutalainen1783how’s the SU27s turning in sim?
@@User-gx3sr i mean still good but the overall visibility and mehish search radar let it down in sim a bit
"strongest plane" lmao, its like one of the worst jets added in this update
I honestly find the mirage 4000 a much better plane. It can dogfight any jet in the game with ease, especially the nerfed grippen. It has 8 of the magic 2’s and over 110 large flares
I think the buffed mig29SMT, is better than the su27. And yes i have both. I also have the f15j for reference, and amongst them all the mirage 4000 really stands out
su27s?
9:05 you already can't and they already did, the HMD is disabled when you're dead. In this case you're not, so you still have control over the HMD. You can already get shot down by a spinning plane if you cross its guns, this is just that but with missiles.
"One complaint I have: I'm not actually dead right now"
As long as they miss got me cracking XD The US can't keep a lock on a flanker to save his life xD The F15 doesn't get TWS, or HMD* doesn't keep locks, plus what you said about the unreliable 7Ms, I've found they're only unreliable against Grippens, 27s and Mig29s, if its US on US they always just track xD Surely there's something you can find in the code about this, even when they're higher altitude and I use SRC radar to avoid the notches it still loses the lock for no reason, something is not quite right.
Plus Russia gets Mach 5.8-3.5 and US (F15) only have M2.5 and the (F14) Aim54C doesn't even go to M5.0 and is pulling way less Gs than what the public information states.
All added up its a very significant power creep, sometimes you can even maintain a lock on a Flanker shoot 4 7Ms at various ranges lock never lost and still they don't connect or just fly in a completely different way out of nowhere
EDIT: *
Personally, I think Su-27S Flanker-B would be the best fighter aircraft 12.3 toptier at rank 8 for USSR/Russia tech tree if gaijin add R-77 on MiG-29SMT 9-19 and increase to 12.7 BR in 2024
only 12.7? we already need a 13.0 br for these improved IR missiles, f16c f15 and flanker should all be 13.0. any aircraft with ARH missiles excluding the tomcats we have currently should be above 13.0, possibly 13.3
@@Dougs05 See, that would be nice, but knowing gaijin we'll get the F-22 at 13.0.
Maybe hmd should be restricted to were the pilot could actually see
The f-14 is better than most people think because if it’s ability to carry so manny flare chad because of all the or missiles
Your profile picture says everything about you.
@@Zopiexx I’m talking about warthunder buddy
Break a wing off so the Flanker can have a chance
Lose an engine so the flanker can keep up
Jettison my aamraams so the flankers survival rate goes up 0.1%
A Russian plane in a Russian game being one of the most if not the most meta plane in game? Who would have thought that being possible???
For sim players, the meta has not shifted since the 9m dropped. Nato has full control of most matches just due to the "reduced smoke" *ahem* no smoke motors on them. 95% of nato players fly 5m above the ground with their radar turned off slinging them with HMS. As sim has a higher amount of 1v1 merges you end up feeling that speed bleed and lack of low speed control it supposed to have a lot more. You get maybe 2 turns and youre smoked. Jas, 15, and 16's walk all over it.
people asking why i am bringing missles to hit bases in my f16a with aim9l's as my maximum upgrade. I am not a contender in 12.0
I think when you lose more than 50% of your control surfaces, the plane should be dead.
so why does France mostly get 2 ir that's it..... like wtf
doesnt really help that the russians didnt even have these missiles until the early 2000s since the ukrainians we're the ones R&D'ing and making them. first time a russian plane went into combat with these that's been confirmed was in 2015 syria
I don't see the reasoning for "not be able to kill someone when you're flatspinning" - why? If your plane can see theirs, and the missile gets a tone, why wouldn't it work? Also what you call a flatspin the russians might call a 'falling leaf'
The need of BR decompression is stabbing me in the face. Mig-29smt is 12.3, su-27 is 12.3 while being significantly better in literally every aspect imaginable...
They aren’t that good, at least in terms of flight performance. It’s funny, the Russians jets are the ones acting like missile trucks while American jets are the maneuverable ones.
Definitely not in the speed and most importantly, radar department 😅
Russian missiles are the bane of my f*cking existence. They're so broken, it's almost offensive. They drop the F-15 with a garbage can for a radar (God forbid they give us Fox 3's) basically neutering it right out the gate, meanwhile Russian MiGs and Flankers can fight from goddamn Raptor ranges. It's frustrating as hell.
I am not having any problem destroying them with my F-15J (aam3: god)
When you are actually dead your HMD doesn't work, but you are still alive, sooo? I don't think HDM needs a change, skill issue on the F-15s part, he has a radar gun sight. "No sane pilot would sit in the aircraft while they're going down like this", who said I'm a sane pilot?
This is why i gave up on WT. I like air RB but props are boring because i need to afk climb for 5 minutes only to end up in a 1 vs 4 because my team dived after the first thing they spotted low. Low to mid tier jets are unplayable due to power creep, its real fun flying a Me-262 against F-86 or be in a F-86 against planes that carry R-60s. Top tier is dominated by Russian missiles and a complete inability to use any tactics because of the brain dead "just fly low and you are untargetable by radars"
Somehow they thought 80s su27 which was a direct counter to f15a and designed to be better than f15a would be a perfect match for f15a which was already obsolete since we have f16c xD Idk why they didn't added f15c with the same handicapping threatment as they did with f16c cutting it from it's main a/a armament and electronic warfare stuff. Top tier right now is western planes at 60% power vs soviet planes at 90% power... R77 is not that much of an improvment since we can shot r27er in tws xD
We have an F-15C in-game, it's just in the Japanese tech tree. And it's not lighting the world on fire since we're in a meta more dominated by weapon systems and not raw flight performance.
All Phantoms need to be at 10.7 F5E should be at 10.3 F4C should be 9.3 Due to No flares meaning all missiles are extremely dangerous I feel like all Top tier Countries besides Russia is suffering really BAD RN in my F4S 90% of the time I die before I get to a base and I fly low and watch behind me a LOT its more because my Radar is Bad Missiles are OK but the Speed of the F4 is TRASH the F15 needs Aim-120A Early we should only get 4 and it should only be for F15's F16's no A versions and Grippen should get Aim-120A Early only 2 and the Research cost for Aim-120A Early should be 100k and The Cost per Missile in SL should be 1.5k per missile 3k per missile for jets that can only get 2 for balance The SU-27 Is a Extreme Powercreeper and All these Russian Mains will say one word COPE and no we arent going to Cope because im not going to grind Su27 just to have Fun NO I would rather Just quite and play other games This update was Extremely bias towards the USSR tree
2:58 L in every possible language lmao
This jet makes me feel like I'm back in battlefield 3 In the SU-35E. We just need some F-18s now (:
Wassup lee?
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saved you in grb, buut could care about "gameplay" in a game. im about realism. dont care about the whole pilot wouldnt do this either. I prob would idgaf im drunk
And what’s crazy is that it should have flight performance that’s even better than what it has now, so it could be even more busted