I like this list, but I think Darvish should be a little lower, because he did not pitch a full year but he could be great next year so I understand why he is in his spot. I also think that Carlos Martinez should be on this list, he was an allstar and he had an era just over 3. I also like Kenta Maeda, Danny Duffy, and Jake Odorizzi, but they are probably top 30-40 pitchers. This was a good video and I think you should make videos for every position.
Okay, and yes I can see the point you're making and those other pitchers you mentioned were definitely considered. I most likely will do one of these lists for every position. Thank you for watching!
pilot88pro considering that Kershaw didn't pitch a full year, Scherzer was the best this year. And when he is on, I'd have him on the mound over Kershaw.
You can't be serious. You must be a Nats fan to say that. The 149 innings Kershaw did pitch were arguably the best in this history of baseball. Once again do you want him for 1 game or the whole season. We saw how Scherzer did in your "1 game" in the playoffs vs Kershaw. Yea...he lost to Kershaw....IN THE PLAYOFFS lol.
Weird to see Keuchel, Greinke, Archer, Gray, Felix & Harvey not make this list from a 2015 and/or general career perspective. Aaron Sanchez has phenomenal stuff, but is he ready for 200 IPs every year? Also, walks have previously been an issue. It's too soon for Fulmer to make this list. Glad to see a bounce back projection for Cole Train.
Well, Gray has terrible mechanics and I don't believe his success is sustainable. Keuchel I simply don't trust. He had one phenomenal year but besides that there isn't a whole lot there besides shoulder issues. Archer was #26 here, but I worry about him as well. Look at the down velocity, look at how he lost his cammand etc etc. Harvey was also a very close snub, but after throwing around 200 innings right after tommy john and then having a terrible 2016 where his velocity was down to the low 90's (terrible sign) and on top of that having this weird surgery that has ended the careers of a few other major league talents worries me to a great degree. Felix has been declining for over a year and a half now and I am unsure about his ability to bounce back (he's one of my favorites I hope he does). I believe Sanchez IS ready for 200 innings. Big guy, solid mechanics, easy arm action, and wicked stuff all points highly upward to me. His secondary numbers are phenomenal as well. Much the same case with Mr.Fulmer. I see your argument against him, but I believe he has a similar case to Sanchez just in a smaller workload and I guess I could've moved him down a tad. Well, there you go haha
Thanks for the response. I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you on those name drops. I was intending to show how quickly ratings can change by the year. Excited to see how it all shakes out this year, but lighten up on Sonny. It was apparent fatigue and inability to find a rhythm haunted him all year. I don't remember a start where he had everything working like he has/should (I watched many of his starts). He should bounceback into ace discussion despite his low K rate once he gains early confidence and shows fastball command.
Captain Ahab I agree, and it's a blast watching that kid pitch when he's on. I remember when him and my personal favorite pitcher Justin Verlander faced off in Oakland in game 2 of the 2013 division series in which both went 8 shutout innings. Absolutely wicked. I truly hope he does come back and it was just fatigue. I just don't know with his mechanics how long he will last. They're comparable to Strasburg's who has been a flop to say the least due to his insane amount of injuries that is a direct result from his mechanics. Then again, we have seen certain pitchers with bad mechanics last a while so we really don't know. Looking back I probably could've slotted him in at 25 and dumped Hill who doesn't have a large workload. Again though this is by no means a perfect list nor am I claiming it to be. Just a fun thing I put together with some free time that is somewhat accurate. Thank you so much for the constructive criticism and I'm glad we were able to discuss this without BS name calling and shouting matches haha
Captain Ahab also one other minor note that concerns me with Gray is his small frame. I'm not sure if his body is capable of handling the workload of an ace over a long period of time. Again, we will learn with time as you said yourself
noah strand that's the one man I ended up having to leave out begrudgingly. But bottom line is, you trust any one of these 25 pitchers more than tanner roark at this point. Had a great year. Definitely would be top 30 though
I get the logic there, but Tanner came 10th in CYA voting, so not sure if Baseball Writer's Association would agree with you on that one, but oh well. I like Scherzer at #2 though!
noah strand well I find holes in your argument. Number one, the writers association isn't very accurate. Just look at how this years AL act Young voting turned out. Verlander was robbed. Look at previous years as well. If you're going off the writers, you might as well blindfold yourself, take a dart and throw it at a target filled with pitchers to make your list. Secondly, you don't look past last year. Roark had one really good year last year, but I need another year or more to include him in the top 25. All of these pitchers have track records of consistent reliability year in and year out. Roark doesnt. He also doesn't have the stuff that here guys do so his ceiling isn't as high. I don't believe he belonged on the list at all
Well I think that Roark has had his on and off moments throughout his career but that I think is mainly because he has had to switch to the bullpen through part of it. I think that is why he is kept off but I can definitley see him in the 25 and thats coming from a Mets fan
Just drafted JV too. I love his stuff and he will be an excellent third starter on my pass the k's to the right team. On Team B I have a rotation of Syndergaard Kluber Verlander Mc Cullers(I think he will have a great season) Velasquez(K machine when healthy(being the key) Guerra(being my extra pitcher there) BP Miller Betances
Jeffisyourhero hmmm don't think so. If we were making a "stuff" list absolutely he's number 1. If we are making a list off of both past PERFORMANCE and my personal projections he's top 10 but 10,9 or maybeeeee 8. He doesn't have a lot of service time and has already struggled with bone spurs. I don't trust his health even with his mechanics. He even said he want to try to throw harder in 2017. All I see with him are elbow problems and shoulder strains. Need to see more as well to rank him above anyone in the top 6 or 7
14-9 2.60 218 ks 5.0 k to walk ratio isn't performing at 24 WAR 6. Yea he is a potential walking TJ but so are a lot of young pitchers in the game. You can't say "well a young pitcher who throws hard can't be higher than 10 because he is a long term risk at TJ". By the way as mentioned the 2017 wild card Noah was frightening to see
Yea I understand where you are coming from. Generally pitchers who do throw with that kind of power and velocity are generally more vunerable to those kinds of problems. We just saw Alex Reyes go for TJ surgery this season and have seen pitchers such as Tallion, Harvey. Strasburg, and Fernandez go for the same surgery. It's almost like saying somone with a bad immune system is more vunerable to catching a cold. However with that being said I wouldn't rank Noah lower for it. Many (not sure about yours) ranked Fernandez(god rest his soul) in the top 3 every year in the majors and he threw hard too along with that wipeout slider. I could understand if Noah was consistently dealing with these kinds of issues but it has been maybe once or twice off and on. Plus he had been throwing that hard in the minors aout 97-98 so that leaves me not to be as worried about him as someone like De Grom or Matz who had been dealing with these issues through their whole minor leauge stints. For Noah now it's about performance and overall stuff. I think we agree on the overall stuff being their one of the best 4 seamers in the leauge(overall command+consistent velocity) +slider and +curveball and leauge average changeup. The performance has been there too 3.24 era in rookie season 166 k's in 150 innings, 1.9 walks through 9 10.0 k's through 9. The only thing you could argue is his Babip significantly rose from .279 to.334 which you would like to see drop this season, and his ability to slow down the stolen base game which i will explain in the next paragraph. The FIP took a nosedive though from .325 to .229 which could make the Babip become a little less relevant. The ability to steal bases has been a problem but you can fix that as well as limiting his TJ proneness in 1 shot. The Mets could or may already be trying to lower the Leg kick so it goes up halfway rather than the waste. This allowing Syndergaard to throw quicker to the plate and slowing that velocity down a bit. He could also delay his pitch delivery to the plate once in a while. Overall I think he is in the top 5 now but you are entitled to your own opinion. I can see your argument I just personally don't agree with it.
How is Greinke not on that list and rich hill is how and I recommend putting Felix Hernandez and Marcus Strawmon on there too but otherwise it's pretty good.
Felix got a new personal trainer this offseason. Showed up with 20 extra pounds of muscles and a chip on his shoulder. I completely understand why he's not on the list, but don't be shocked by a bounce back year for him.
Captain Ahab Did he deserve it? Verlander should have won it and everybody knows it. Porcello had a good year, but he was average at best. He's lucky he had an amazing defense behind him. Just another example of how CY Young voters care too much about wins.
mlb king Felix is one of my favorite pitchers but he has hit a sharp decline over the past year and a half. The velocity is far down and his command has began to diminish as well. The stuff isn't the same either. And Darvish dropped a few spots because of the Tommy John and the shoulder issue. Tanaka was healthy the whole year and put up great numbers in Yankee stadium with a shaky Yankee defense. If it was strictly on potential, of course darvish would be much higher
I agree with most but I don't think JV should be this high on the list. My biggest point is he is just getting a little old. He's gonna be 34 this year and he might not have much gas left in the tank for 2017 and he might have a big down season.
Y0UG0TR3KT I disagree with every point you made there. Yes the fact that he is getting older may seem to the common fan as a downside, but if you watched him this year and how drastically he progressed, there is no doubt in my mind he's going to be contend for the Cy Young again next season. What am I talking about? 1. The velocity is back! Early in the year he maxed 95-96, however in September he was hitting 98-100 again late in ballgames. This along with a FEW more clicks on his slider and curve leave no doubt that the stuff is back and better than ever. 2. His mechanics! Early in the year and in his down year (2014), his mechanics were just off and different from what they used to be. This was due to that surgery he had on his core muscle in January of 2014. Think about how much you use your core when throwing a baseball. Finally in 2016, his mechanics look like they used to and with that came the velocity. 3. He showed no signs of decline at all in the last 4 months of the season. His ERA after the ASG was under 2! In august and September it was under 1.5! He DOMINATED the AL the entire second half and his stuff got better each start. He showed no signs of tiredness to me at all in any form. I find it hard to believe he'll take that much of a step back after the dominance he displayed last year.
Y0UG0TR3KT also, I mean, look at the secondary stats besides ERA and Wins. Signs a pitcher is decline are high FIP, High walk rate, Declining strikeouts, high WHIP, high BAA etc. in ALL but 1 of these categories he was too 3 in the league in. 3 out of 5 he WON. He didn't put runners on base, he didn't give up hits, didn't walk guys, and he struck out a TON of batters
Baseball Worldwide I see your points there, this is coming from a Tigers fan myself (even though it might not look like it :P). And if I'm not mistaking he led the AL in strikeouts.
Y0UG0TR3KT yes, indeed he did, Im telling you man, He still has plenty of gas left in the tank after those injury-plagued years. One thing I forgot to mention, he really has been dominating for a year and a half. Remember how he finished in 2015? The one hitter, hitting 100 mph 4 times against the white sox etc etc
AllStar Sports no actually I don't. You're obviously a child who doesn't understand the game. He lost a few MPH on his fastball and let up a ton of homeruns due to lack of command. His stuff isn't the same. He doesn't belong on a top 25 list after last years hurrendos performances. Fact
pilot88pro don't agree at all. How dominant he was throughout last year was unbelievable. I mean, look at the stuff. It's back man and with those mechanics he can last another few years. Just look at how he finished in case you're wondering if he started to wear down. September his ERA was under 1.4 and in his last 3 starts he had an era of under 1. He also hit 100 mph 5 different times in those last 3. In case you were wondering, he hadn't hit 100 since 2013 and his previous high for the year was 98 which he hit multiple times. He was ready to go another 100 innings and if you look at him physically, he has the physical build to keep going.
Andy I can see why you disagree, but I worry about his arm. He's already had bone spurs pop up in only his second year in the majors. He also doesn't have the workload yet.
Judging by your name im going to assume that you;re another giants fan who is unable to appreciate greatness so I'll end the conversation right here. Kershaw struckout 105 hitters before walking his 5th batter. Broke a few major league records and threw more complete game shutouts in the month of may than walks. Let that sink in.
mallexjansen I know he's most likely by that I mean gonna be in the hall of fame but he may have a down year you never know it usually happens after a injury plagued season like kershaw had
Very interesting list. I don't completely agree with all your choices. I think you overrated Tanaka. I Think Cole was put at a pretty good place. I think you underrated Corrasco a bit and even being a bluejays fan I think you overrated Happ. You overrated Hill too and overrated Fulmer. You overrated Teheran a bit. Darvish was slightly underrated. Hamels was at the perfect spot though. Quintana's being overrated. David Price is being slightly underrated. Degrom is at a pretty good spot. Cueto is at a pretty good spot. Even as a jays fan all say you overrated Sanchez a bit. Arrieta was slightly underrated. Syndergard as well was slightly Underrated. Same with Kluber. Hendricks was really overrated at spot number 8 I think Lester and Arrietta are better than him. Same with Porcello Price is better than him. Bumgarner was underrated a bit. same with Lester quite a bit overrated. Same with Verlander. Where in the world is Stephan Strasburg. Scherzer is the perfect contendent for spot number 2 and obviously Kershaw is number 1
Bringer_ofrain 20 can you form a proper response that isn't all one sentence. I can't even read any of that to form a response. I have no idea what you're even saying
thought I'd have to defend my boy Price. He deserves to be on this list and I agree. Also nice to see Sale and Porcello as well. Great vid!
Will The Thrill thank you agreed!
I like this list, but I think Darvish should be a little lower, because he did not pitch a full year but he could be great next year so I understand why he is in his spot. I also think that Carlos Martinez should be on this list, he was an allstar and he had an era just over 3. I also like Kenta Maeda, Danny Duffy, and Jake Odorizzi, but they are probably top 30-40 pitchers. This was a good video and I think you should make videos for every position.
Okay, and yes I can see the point you're making and those other pitchers you mentioned were definitely considered. I most likely will do one of these lists for every position. Thank you for watching!
I'd have Scherzer start over Kersh any day. And Bum over Sale, great video though.
Damon watt I agree
Julio Cesar Arias i'm not saying anyone is better than Kershaw. But Scherzer was the best pitcher in baseball this year
You're saying 2 different things. You said you'd take Scherzer over Kershaw any day. None of the 30 mlb managers would do that.
pilot88pro considering that Kershaw didn't pitch a full year, Scherzer was the best this year. And when he is on, I'd have him on the mound over Kershaw.
You can't be serious. You must be a Nats fan to say that. The 149 innings Kershaw did pitch were arguably the best in this history of baseball.
Once again do you want him for 1 game or the whole season. We saw how Scherzer did in your "1 game" in the playoffs vs Kershaw. Yea...he lost to Kershaw....IN THE PLAYOFFS lol.
Where's Carlos Martinez @
Robbie Ray? He had the best Strikeout/9 innings in the 2016 season at 12.75
Oh No My Shed LMAO stop come on now
From the slender right hander
Weird to see Keuchel, Greinke, Archer, Gray, Felix & Harvey not make this list from a 2015 and/or general career perspective. Aaron Sanchez has phenomenal stuff, but is he ready for 200 IPs every year? Also, walks have previously been an issue. It's too soon for Fulmer to make this list. Glad to see a bounce back projection for Cole Train.
Well, Gray has terrible mechanics and I don't believe his success is sustainable. Keuchel I simply don't trust. He had one phenomenal year but besides that there isn't a whole lot there besides shoulder issues. Archer was #26 here, but I worry about him as well. Look at the down velocity, look at how he lost his cammand etc etc. Harvey was also a very close snub, but after throwing around 200 innings right after tommy john and then having a terrible 2016 where his velocity was down to the low 90's (terrible sign) and on top of that having this weird surgery that has ended the careers of a few other major league talents worries me to a great degree. Felix has been declining for over a year and a half now and I am unsure about his ability to bounce back (he's one of my favorites I hope he does). I believe Sanchez IS ready for 200 innings. Big guy, solid mechanics, easy arm action, and wicked stuff all points highly upward to me. His secondary numbers are phenomenal as well. Much the same case with Mr.Fulmer. I see your argument against him, but I believe he has a similar case to Sanchez just in a smaller workload and I guess I could've moved him down a tad. Well, there you go haha
Thanks for the response. I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you on those name drops. I was intending to show how quickly ratings can change by the year. Excited to see how it all shakes out this year, but lighten up on Sonny. It was apparent fatigue and inability to find a rhythm haunted him all year. I don't remember a start where he had everything working like he has/should (I watched many of his starts). He should bounceback into ace discussion despite his low K rate once he gains early confidence and shows fastball command.
Captain Ahab I agree, and it's a blast watching that kid pitch when he's on. I remember when him and my personal favorite pitcher Justin Verlander faced off in Oakland in game 2 of the 2013 division series in which both went 8 shutout innings. Absolutely wicked. I truly hope he does come back and it was just fatigue. I just don't know with his mechanics how long he will last. They're comparable to Strasburg's who has been a flop to say the least due to his insane amount of injuries that is a direct result from his mechanics. Then again, we have seen certain pitchers with bad mechanics last a while so we really don't know. Looking back I probably could've slotted him in at 25 and dumped Hill who doesn't have a large workload. Again though this is by no means a perfect list nor am I claiming it to be. Just a fun thing I put together with some free time that is somewhat accurate. Thank you so much for the constructive criticism and I'm glad we were able to discuss this without BS name calling and shouting matches haha
Captain Ahab also one other minor note that concerns me with Gray is his small frame. I'm not sure if his body is capable of handling the workload of an ace over a long period of time. Again, we will learn with time as you said yourself
Kluber should be higher
Where is Tanner Roark. Where.
noah strand that's the one man I ended up having to leave out begrudgingly. But bottom line is, you trust any one of these 25 pitchers more than tanner roark at this point. Had a great year. Definitely would be top 30 though
I get the logic there, but Tanner came 10th in CYA voting, so not sure if Baseball Writer's Association would agree with you on that one, but oh well. I like Scherzer at #2 though!
noah strand well I find holes in your argument. Number one, the writers association isn't very accurate. Just look at how this years AL act Young voting turned out. Verlander was robbed. Look at previous years as well. If you're going off the writers, you might as well blindfold yourself, take a dart and throw it at a target filled with pitchers to make your list. Secondly, you don't look past last year. Roark had one really good year last year, but I need another year or more to include him in the top 25. All of these pitchers have track records of consistent reliability year in and year out. Roark doesnt. He also doesn't have the stuff that here guys do so his ceiling isn't as high. I don't believe he belonged on the list at all
Well I think that Roark has had his on and off moments throughout his career but that I think is mainly because he has had to switch to the bullpen through part of it. I think that is why he is kept off but I can definitley see him in the 25 and thats coming from a Mets fan
Just drafted JV too. I love his stuff and he will be an excellent third starter on my pass the k's to the right team.
On Team B I have a rotation of
Syndergaard
Kluber
Verlander
Mc Cullers(I think he will have a great season)
Velasquez(K machine when healthy(being the key)
Guerra(being my extra pitcher there)
BP
Miller
Betances
I think 10 for Syndergaard is disrespectful, guy should be top 5
Jeffisyourhero hmmm don't think so. If we were making a "stuff" list absolutely he's number 1. If we are making a list off of both past PERFORMANCE and my personal projections he's top 10 but 10,9 or maybeeeee 8. He doesn't have a lot of service time and has already struggled with bone spurs. I don't trust his health even with his mechanics. He even said he want to try to throw harder in 2017. All I see with him are elbow problems and shoulder strains. Need to see more as well to rank him above anyone in the top 6 or 7
Baseball Worldwide let's discuss post-2017 season
14-9 2.60 218 ks 5.0 k to walk ratio isn't performing at 24 WAR 6. Yea he is a potential walking TJ but so are a lot of young pitchers in the game. You can't say "well a young pitcher who throws hard can't be higher than 10 because he is a long term risk at TJ".
By the way as mentioned the 2017 wild card Noah was frightening to see
well wouldn't you agree that some pitchers are more vulnerable to having arm problems than others? Especially when hes already had some elbow issues?
Yea I understand where you are coming from. Generally pitchers who do throw with that kind of power and velocity are generally more vunerable to those kinds of problems. We just saw Alex Reyes go for TJ surgery this season and have seen pitchers such as Tallion, Harvey. Strasburg, and Fernandez go for the same surgery. It's almost like saying somone with a bad immune system is more vunerable to catching a cold.
However with that being said I wouldn't rank Noah lower for it. Many (not sure about yours) ranked Fernandez(god rest his soul) in the top 3 every year in the majors and he threw hard too along with that wipeout slider.
I could understand if Noah was consistently dealing with these kinds of issues but it has been maybe once or twice off and on. Plus he had been throwing that hard in the minors aout 97-98 so that leaves me not to be as worried about him as someone like De Grom or Matz who had been dealing with these issues through their whole minor leauge stints.
For Noah now it's about performance and overall stuff. I think we agree on the overall stuff being their one of the best 4 seamers in the leauge(overall command+consistent velocity) +slider and +curveball and leauge average changeup. The performance has been there too 3.24 era in rookie season 166 k's in 150 innings, 1.9 walks through 9 10.0 k's through 9. The only thing you could argue is his Babip significantly rose from .279 to.334 which you would like to see drop this season, and his ability to slow down the stolen base game which i will explain in the next paragraph. The FIP took a nosedive though from .325 to .229 which could make the Babip become a little less relevant.
The ability to steal bases has been a problem but you can fix that as well as limiting his TJ proneness in 1 shot. The Mets could or may already be trying to lower the Leg kick so it goes up halfway rather than the waste. This allowing Syndergaard to throw quicker to the plate and slowing that velocity down a bit. He could also delay his pitch delivery to the plate once in a while.
Overall I think he is in the top 5 now but you are entitled to your own opinion. I can see your argument I just personally don't agree with it.
Kuechel? Strasburg? Greinke?
How is Greinke not on that list and rich hill is how and I recommend putting Felix Hernandez and Marcus Strawmon on there too but otherwise it's pretty good.
AllStar Sports oh my god. Greinke lost velocity, control, and stamina. No way he should be on here over ANYONE of these guys
AllStar Sports and no stroman does not belong on a top 25 list
AllStar Sports and no, Felix has lost a ton of velocity and control too. He's been a shell of his former self for the past year and a half
Felix got a new personal trainer this offseason. Showed up with 20 extra pounds of muscles and a chip on his shoulder. I completely understand why he's not on the list, but don't be shocked by a bounce back year for him.
gotheeeeeeem4 You uh, wanna take that back?
What about Zach Britten Chris Tillman and Justin Verlander?
1.Britton is not a starter. 2. Tillman is not a top 25 starter anymore. 3. JV is number 3
Thanks
Great list although IMO I'd put Chris sale at #3.
Come check out a shortstops video! Just type in the search bar "Top 10 Shortstops Going Into 2017"
Great video and worth checking out!
Flaming_Spider67 Okay will do!
all these great pitchers on the nationals but they cant get past a divisional series
Duffy?
Kershaw all the way
Until the playoffs anyway.
lol
#1 max scherzer they need to put him first, hes a master at throwing strikes
Porcello ahead of Hendricks? Other than that, great list.
He just won a CY Young. Don't be irrational.
Captain Ahab Did he deserve it? Verlander should have won it and everybody knows it. Porcello had a good year, but he was average at best. He's lucky he had an amazing defense behind him. Just another example of how CY Young voters care too much about wins.
I realized at a young age that a pitch is a strike if the umpire calls it a strike, not if it is in the zone. Apply that here.
Hendricks over Arrieta and Cueto?
Danny Duffy?
Sm3xyRevolution honorable mention
How about Felix Hernandez?
And Masahiro Tanaka batter than Darvish Yu?I donˊt think so.
mlb king Felix is one of my favorite pitchers but he has hit a sharp decline over the past year and a half. The velocity is far down and his command has began to diminish as well. The stuff isn't the same either. And Darvish dropped a few spots because of the Tommy John and the shoulder issue. Tanaka was healthy the whole year and put up great numbers in Yankee stadium with a shaky Yankee defense. If it was strictly on potential, of course darvish would be much higher
1:37 that curve was nasty
Syndergaard too low. I might be a bit biased as a Mets fan but he is definitley top 8 if not top 5
where is Carlos Martinez?
Fergie52496 was very hard leaving him off. Can definitely see your argument. I worry somewhat about the health of his arm.
he got injured now he's healthy!
AllStar Sports who exactly are you referring to?
15:18
aaron nola?
Stephen strasburg?
Virginia Blitzball Association 2 words: disabled list
Tigers fan
Ryan Carroll your point being?
I agree with most but I don't think JV should be this high on the list. My biggest point is he is just getting a little old. He's gonna be 34 this year and he might not have much gas left in the tank for 2017 and he might have a big down season.
Y0UG0TR3KT I disagree with every point you made there. Yes the fact that he is getting older may seem to the common fan as a downside, but if you watched him this year and how drastically he progressed, there is no doubt in my mind he's going to be contend for the Cy Young again next season. What am I talking about? 1. The velocity is back! Early in the year he maxed 95-96, however in September he was hitting 98-100 again late in ballgames. This along with a FEW more clicks on his slider and curve leave no doubt that the stuff is back and better than ever. 2. His mechanics! Early in the year and in his down year (2014), his mechanics were just off and different from what they used to be. This was due to that surgery he had on his core muscle in January of 2014. Think about how much you use your core when throwing a baseball. Finally in 2016, his mechanics look like they used to and with that came the velocity. 3. He showed no signs of decline at all in the last 4 months of the season. His ERA after the ASG was under 2! In august and September it was under 1.5! He DOMINATED the AL the entire second half and his stuff got better each start. He showed no signs of tiredness to me at all in any form. I find it hard to believe he'll take that much of a step back after the dominance he displayed last year.
Y0UG0TR3KT also, I mean, look at the secondary stats besides ERA and Wins. Signs a pitcher is decline are high FIP, High walk rate, Declining strikeouts, high WHIP, high BAA etc. in ALL but 1 of these categories he was too 3 in the league in. 3 out of 5 he WON. He didn't put runners on base, he didn't give up hits, didn't walk guys, and he struck out a TON of batters
Baseball Worldwide I see your points there, this is coming from a Tigers fan myself (even though it might not look like it :P). And if I'm not mistaking he led the AL in strikeouts.
Y0UG0TR3KT yes, indeed he did, Im telling you man, He still has plenty of gas left in the tank after those injury-plagued years. One thing I forgot to mention, he really has been dominating for a year and a half. Remember how he finished in 2015? The one hitter, hitting 100 mph 4 times against the white sox etc etc
oh ya and u know it
AllStar Sports no actually I don't. You're obviously a child who doesn't understand the game. He lost a few MPH on his fastball and let up a ton of homeruns due to lack of command. His stuff isn't the same. He doesn't belong on a top 25 list after last years hurrendos performances. Fact
Danny Salazar?
JPrevesk22 very hard to leave out. Looking back I probably should've put him in Hills spot
Baseball Worldwide agreed
I believe Hendricks should be ahead of Porcello.
Where is Steven Strasburg?
Jacob Morin on the DL lmaooo
No honestly he needs to be in this Baseball Worldwide
Strasburg?!?!?!?!?!?
Great list, think Verlander will be trending the wrong way due to age.
pilot88pro don't agree at all. How dominant he was throughout last year was unbelievable. I mean, look at the stuff. It's back man and with those mechanics he can last another few years. Just look at how he finished in case you're wondering if he started to wear down. September his ERA was under 1.4 and in his last 3 starts he had an era of under 1. He also hit 100 mph 5 different times in those last 3. In case you were wondering, he hadn't hit 100 since 2013 and his previous high for the year was 98 which he hit multiple times. He was ready to go another 100 innings and if you look at him physically, he has the physical build to keep going.
This didn’t age well 😂
and y is Stephen Strasburg not on the list he stared 11-0
Oh my god, because he finished with a era over 3.50 and hasnt had a fully healthy year in 6 YEARS
Zach Greinke!!!
AllStar Sports oh please
Zack grienkes era was over 4 bro! Y would he be on this list? The man who made this list did a fine job.
alex snower Thank you!
max scherzer #1 .. they messed up. which Kershaw to number 2... well done
David Dixon I completely agree
Cluber is not worst than Hendricks
Tanaka over deGrom?Wtf
Fulmer should have been a little higher
Nick Thornton I can see why you think that. Just he kind of fell off the second half and didn't have a large workload. I can see your point though
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Verlander 3rd❓
DragonXGaming absolutely
No way Syndergaard is as low as 10
Andy I can see why you disagree, but I worry about his arm. He's already had bone spurs pop up in only his second year in the majors. He also doesn't
have the workload yet.
I hate when kershaw is placed number one he didn't even have a healthy season this year
Giantsfangotswag bro it's Kershaw
Giantsfangotswag Kershaw threw the greatest 149 innings we've ever seen in 2016. Nobody ever comes close.
mallexjansen well he still was in the 15 day dl I think that should disqualify him from number 1
Judging by your name im going to assume that you;re another giants fan who is unable to appreciate greatness so I'll end the conversation right here. Kershaw struckout 105 hitters before walking his 5th batter. Broke a few major league records and threw more complete game shutouts in the month of may than walks. Let that sink in.
mallexjansen I know he's most likely by that I mean gonna be in the hall of fame but he may have a down year you never know it usually happens after a injury plagued season like kershaw had
Very interesting list. I don't completely agree with all your choices. I think you overrated Tanaka. I Think Cole was put at a pretty good place. I think you underrated Corrasco a bit and even being a bluejays fan I think you overrated Happ. You overrated Hill too and overrated Fulmer. You overrated Teheran a bit. Darvish was slightly underrated. Hamels was at the perfect spot though. Quintana's being overrated. David Price is being slightly underrated. Degrom is at a pretty good spot. Cueto is at a pretty good spot. Even as a jays fan all say you overrated Sanchez a bit. Arrieta was slightly underrated. Syndergard as well was slightly Underrated. Same with Kluber. Hendricks was really overrated at spot number 8 I think Lester and Arrietta are better than him. Same with Porcello Price is better than him. Bumgarner was underrated a bit. same with Lester quite a bit overrated. Same with Verlander. Where in the world is Stephan Strasburg. Scherzer is the perfect contendent for spot number 2 and obviously Kershaw is number 1
Bringer_ofrain 20 can you form a proper response that isn't all one sentence. I can't even read any of that to form a response. I have no idea what you're even saying
Sale is not even close to better then Bungarner
and hill is better than stroman no way not at all!
Um, yes. Look at last year.
Lester and Verlander are not as good as Bumgarner
Joshua Kupetz I think verlander is. Maybe not lester
Kershaw is way overrated
worst top 25 I've ever seen smh
lmao ok please elaborate Mr.Russo
Swing and a miss...swing and a miss...