The A-Gon trade may not have worked out for the Padres, but it did work out for the Padres GM. Jed Hoyer targeted Rizzo in that deal because he was involved in scouting him as the Assistant GM in Boston. Then Hoyer left the Padres for the Cubs less than a year after the A-Gon trade, and his first move with the Cubs was to re-acquire Rizzo.
You know what's kinda weird, Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 home runs while driving in "just" 99, but a few years later, hit just 18 home runs while driving in 108. That's kinda wild to me
Park/team productivity factors make it a little less wild when you consider how bad and how good some of these teams were, as well as their strange home park dimensions
@@nomercyinc6783 He had 6 all star selections. And part of the reason he's often considered overlooked is because once he left Cleveland (for the second time) he was more of a journeyman. But prime Cleveland Kenny Lofton was a star on a loaded team.
@@nomercyinc6783you only say that because outside of Rickey and Ichiro, small stolen base guys who don't hit a lot of homers are hardly ever considered superstars.
Life long Dodger fan and Gonzo is still the jersey I wear whenever catching a Dodger game. Was perfect for LA but had he not got injured in ‘17 , we may have not called up Bellinger!! Glad he works for the Dodger TV crew now
Bellinger was called up before A-Gon hit the IL, and he was playing LF before moving to 1B to cover A-Gon; the way Belly was hitting meant that he was staying in the roster regardless of A-Gon's health. However, Belly's success did make A-Gon expendable after the season, so he was traded, and coincidentally, it opened to door for Max Muncy to be called up the following season.
@@cesarcabrera97 in 2016, Dodgers fans and MLB fans knew A-Gon's time was almost up, and Belli was ready to take over. The Gonzalez injury ('17) was a path/justification for Belli to stick in the majors but Belli was already being looked at as the future 1B that went along w the young talented core of Seager, Urias and Joc.
Fub Fact: I was at that Red Sox game when they traded Gonzalez to the Dodgers. A lot of people were confused because of the lineups being shown on the screen and then it came out that he was just traded.
As a Padres fan, this kills me. He was beloved here. Should be a Padres HOFer. It’s a travesty he was lowballed by ownership and basically forced out of town. And then thrived with the Dodgers. Hard to see him as a Padres HOFer now…miss those days.
Yes but, for me, I despised that he essentially said joining the Dodgers was like where he always wanted to play. He's entitled to that and I'm entitled to a kid from where I grew up and played for our city's team said the Dodgers were where he actually always wanted to be, despite acknowledging he's allowed to feel that way.
@@dirknowitzki3891 True! Adrian was awesome... Wish ownership would have kept him. Not his fault but San Diego has forever disliked its northern neighbor... It just came out when we finally put out a competitive team IMO.
I miss when players did wacky ass commercials back in the 00s and early 10s. Waking up in the middle of the night and seeing them on the TV are core memories of my childhood
Now childhood memories will be of some loser with a YT channel pushing Manscaped products, making bad testicle shaving jokes to an audience of mostly teenagers.
Gonzalez was amazing during his career, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer but he and Matt Holliday (who you honestly could make a case for him being in the Hall) at least should've gotten more votes on this year's ballot
I attended the 3 homer game against Cashner, and it’s a core baseball memory for me! Always loved A-Gon, only wish the Dodgers could’ve gotten him sooner!
Would love a Gary Sheffield video. Literally just last night my friends and I were talking about how we miss cool batting stances and we all started imitating the hand motion he would do with the bat while in the box. Also it seems like whenever I watch your videos I'm reminded of how much better hitting was 20 years ago 😢
Red Sox fan here, I was initially ecstatic about the Gonzalez trade, but he didn't quite meet my lofty expectations. While he did put up good numbers, it became apparent (as you said in the video) that he wasn't a great fit in the video. A defining moment for personally was a crazy extra-inning game against Baltimore in 2012 where the Orioles ran out of pitchers and needed to have a position player pitch. Gonzalez came up in a huge spot against him, and...struck out. Just felt like to me at that point like he wasn't a dependable clutch hitter like Ortiz and that perhaps the pressure was getting to him. Nice video by the way, and I like the Mario music at the end!
As a Sox fan I'm glad it worked out in 2013 but I did wish we either had kept Gonzalez or kept Rizzo. Gonzalez was unfairly blamed for a lot of 2011-12's dysfunction when most of the issue was starting pitching and Crawford breaking down, yeah he didn't have the best attitude but nobody did at that time
By my count Fred McGriff was traded 4 times and “sold” once (Braves to Rays) and kept up pretty consistent production the whole time. If you find all that interesting I’d love to see a series on the massive trades Randy Smith used to pull off between the Astros and Padres and later when he was GM of the Tigers with both those teams.
Love the vids man. You, fuzzy and rgs are like my favourite baseball youtubers. That said I have a sneaky addition. John Olerud also played for 5 teams and while his last 2 teams were well forgotten he still got traded round 5 times I am pretty sure. And I think Many Ramirez was traded 5 times unless I am mistaken and his forgotten Rays stint was just a signing. Also as a mets guy I would love to see you cover Brian Lawrence or other forgotten talents that didn't last long. Cause I feel like the sport doesn't pay homage enough to players who had a sneaky good shortened prime. Whereas someone like Alek Manoah gets covered way to much when he will probably fall under the same tale of a shortened prime with 3-4 good years to boot.
As a Dodger fan, always had massive respect for him on the Padres. Absolutely loved him when he came over to the Dodgers. It’s so good to see him now at the stadium in the broadcast booth.
As a Mexican American, Gonzalez was a legend in Mexican baseball sucks he never won a World Series but loved watching him throughout his career and in the world baseball classic with Team Mexico!
A-Gon suffered from a similar issue to Pujols- he seemed to get much less patient with age. He still had plenty of power when he connected and could hit the ball, but just seemed to try too much and get away from his approach. I think he left a good 50+ HR and 100 walks on the table with the Dodgers simply from not taking a few more pitches.
I hadn’t heard of Adrian Gonzalez until more recently when I found out he went to high school with my aunt and my mom. Then I found out he was a Padre… Then I found out he hit a bomb off my English teacher when they were in high school.
Before Boston pulled the trigger for the A-Gon trade, they had a condition that they can negotiate a contract extension with him. They already have the outline for a contract extension and only finalized it during Spring Training (I believe). Also, the trade to the Dodgers were contingent only on A-Gon being part of it.
Money was literally the only a thing that WASN'T a factor in Soto getting traded to the Padres lol the Nats threw a ton of money at him but with zero player development coming down the pipeline he had no reason to believe the team would be competitive
I remember watching MLB Network around the time of the trade, and they were showing just how many homers he was losing due to Petco. Ironic that he'd never even get to 30 homers again after leaving San Diego.
Some of the craziest stuff in this video: Marlins top prospects at one point were- 1. Josh Beckett 2. Adrian Gonzalez And 3. MIGUEL CABRERA! Has there ever been a better top 3 prospect list??? The Rangers at one point had 3 of the greatest hitting 1st basemen of the 2000s in Texeira, Gonzalez and Hafner on their roster. A year after trading Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford, the Red Sox won the World Series. Pretty impressive after off loading $250mil from your roster.
The name I thought of first when you said players similar to A-Gon that have been traded as often was Dan Haren. Haren is a pitcher, but played at the same time as A-Gon, accrued over 35 bWAR, and was traded 4 times. That's on par w A-Gon when you consider that Haren was an actually productive piece in every trade, even though one was at the end of his career.
I remember the day Gonzo was first put on the IL, it was insane to wrap my head around. Being a Giants fan, I was getting sick of seeing him during the regular season. Then it was just bizarre to see him as a Brave.
When I played ball in college, I was friends with a guy that played with Adrian Gonzalez in the minors in AAA. He saw Adrian scoff at some young fans wanting an autograph before the game. My buddy pulled him into the locker room right after he saw what happened. He told Adrian that the only reason they get paid to play ball are because of the fans. My buddy told me that some people just don't get the human aspect of sports and he was apparently one of them. Horrible locker room guy with a gigantic ego. My buddy couldnt stand him. He said Miggy was nicer to everyone in the dugout and more reserved/quiet.
Fun leap to make is to say Texas ultimately won that Gonzalez trade with SD because CY developed the relationship with Bochy that ultimately led to them winning the World Series last year
It seems to be a combination of: 1. Agon being a great-but-not-trancendant slugger at a non-premium position who entered the league during the Moneyball revolution. It was a conflicted time in terms of front office philosophy, and Agon was the type of player who could be simultaneously overvalued and undervalued by the league depending on their adoption of "nerd math" vs the good old fashioned eye test. 2. Luck of the draw in landing with Florida, Texas, and SD early in his career. Marlins were in pump and dump mode en route to the 2003 WS, 2004 was the end of the Rangers Arod era, and the Padres were a mid market team who never had a chance of being able to afford a player of his caliber beyond the arbitration years. His mega contract with Boston made him the inevitable salary hot potato, so his subsequent trades to and out of LA aren't much of a surprise. As much of a fan favorite he was with the Dodgers, he was never going to have the same emotional cache of home grown players of that era like Kershaw or Ethier.
Now idk how he ended up on so many teams, whether it be via trade or FA, but Fred McGriff was on more teams than he should've been! That's a franchise player no one ever seemed to lock-up for too long.
You mentioning superstar players more and more unlikely staying as a face of the franchise made me think of my jersey collection. I chose players based on that likelihood and wound up with this Colorado Arenado traded to St. Louis Cleveland Lindor traded to NYM LAD Seager signing with Texas Arizona Goldy traded to St. Louis Atlanta Freeman signed with LAD NYM Degrom hurt and signing with Texas Oakland Chapman going to Toronto Cubs Bryant traded to SF And worst of all Jose Fernandez dying....talk about bad luck
Really interesting how the Agon trade saved the Boston Red Sox and also was one of the first moves that really shaped the new dodgers franchise. March 2012 the dodgers are purchased by the current ownership. June 2012 they trade for Hanley Ramirez and August is the 250 million dollar trade. Basically since then the franchise hasn’t looked back. They went on to sign Ryu and Greinke in December of 2012 and got their local tv deal in January 2013
As a sox fan i always felt bad for AGon. He always gets lumped in with Crawford when people talk about that disapointing 2011-12 era, but it was never his fault. He was one of our best players but the media hated him for some reason.
EL TITAN, A GON , MY FATHER Watching this guy was so amazing words can’t explain how much he’s an inspiration for me, my batting stance and even my career love agon to death
mark melancon was traded five times, as well as j.a. happ. tyler clippard was traded six times. cameron maybin and refguess legend edwin jackson were traded seven times, and jesse chavez was traded ten times
As a Dodgers fan who used to hate and then love Gonzo. I can quickly explain why such a great player was consistently overlooked, discussed or named as one of the best during his time playing: the guys about as exciting as a bag of dirt. He has little to no marketability or star power whatsoever. He just wasn't that kind of dude. And whatever people want to say, that stuff DOES matter.
yeah its weird that he's including trades during his time as a prospect/rookie. he only got traded 3 times as an established MLB player. it really isnt that much. Also, he went from LA to ATL but they released him 2 days later and signed with the Mets in the offseason later on.
We were told in Boston that AG was traded because he didn't like playing in Boston and wanted to go back to the West Coast. Maybe some truth but probably not the main reason.
He was always underrated playing in SD who at the time wasn’t the power franchise they are today. The Boston trade was a big deal at the time and AGon was excellent there but in the end they never won anything with him.
Its hard to include prospect trades as actual career trades. I understand they're still player moves, but its probably best to consider those once a player is somewhat established.
Not in the caliber of Sheff or Gonzo but both were traded it seems every other year Todd Zeile and Hard Hittin' Mark Whiten. Both good ballplayers. Oh and one more Lonnie Smith seemed to be the Will Smith of now that would get traded and his team would march through the playoffs and go to the World Series either that year or the next.
If possible. Please make a video on our third major leaguer from Tijuana. Freddy Sandoval. I gave up the go ahead home run in our little league championship game to him. He is now an author and also played with Adrian in the mexican league and world baseball classic.
This is a bit misleading. He wasn't a superstar traded 5 times. He was traded twice as a superstar, both times due to financial issues, not performance. He was a promising prospect when traded by the Marlins (who would have traded him much sooner if he were in fact a superstar) and the Rangers. The Padres of his time were having an "everything must go" fire-sale every other season under Werner and Moores prior to Seidler, and Gonzales was but one of many stars they shipped off during that era. Red Sox didn't want to trade him. The Dodgers had coveted Gonzales for quite some time for both his superb play and attraction to the Latino community. The new ownership had a lot of damage to repair with the fanbase after Frank McCourt ran the iconic franchise into the ground, and Gonzales was seen as the ideal star for rebuilding trust. The Red Sox very, very much wanted to unload the disastrous Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett contracts that no teams wanted to take, making them all but impossible to trade. Dodger's new ownership had plenty of money, so the trade was basically absorbing the other two contracts to get the guy they really wanted, and sending away a star player who they would have liked to keep was the cost for the Red Sox to unload him. He was barely able to play due to health when the Dodgers shifted him to the Braves who released him. Again not a superstar being traded.
Makes me wish my Brewers locked up Corbin Burnes (who even in just 4 seasons is arguably the greatest Brewers starter in team history, and I mean that) but all will be forgiven if we win it all this year
The A-Gon trade may not have worked out for the Padres, but it did work out for the Padres GM. Jed Hoyer targeted Rizzo in that deal because he was involved in scouting him as the Assistant GM in Boston. Then Hoyer left the Padres for the Cubs less than a year after the A-Gon trade, and his first move with the Cubs was to re-acquire Rizzo.
Josh Byrnes should have said "eff you" and hung up when Hoyer came calling about Rizzo.
I never knew why they gave up on Rizzo so fast , the fans were really upset . That makes some sense .
Horrible time for the Padres what a disaster
You know what's kinda weird, Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 home runs while driving in "just" 99, but a few years later, hit just 18 home runs while driving in 108. That's kinda wild to me
The more sense you try to make out of baseball stats, the less sense it starts to make.
Park/team productivity factors make it a little less wild when you consider how bad and how good some of these teams were, as well as their strange home park dimensions
@antonioreconquistador exactly, IIRR bad Padres teams vs. Very good Red Sox and Dodgers teams
home runs arent the only or most consistent way of driving in runs. how can you be so incompetent
@nomercyinc6783 how can you be so triggered, my boy?
Kenny Lofton was traded 6 times 💥
lofton wasnt a superstar
@@nomercyinc6783 He had 6 all star selections. And part of the reason he's often considered overlooked is because once he left Cleveland (for the second time) he was more of a journeyman. But prime Cleveland Kenny Lofton was a star on a loaded team.
@@nomercyinc6783you only say that because outside of Rickey and Ichiro, small stolen base guys who don't hit a lot of homers are hardly ever considered superstars.
I think most of his trades happened in the Twilight of his career. Where Gonzales was in the prime with his
Lofton had a 68 career war. Sheffield 60. Lofton definitely belongs on this list and was a superstar table setter for most of his career.
Life long Dodger fan and Gonzo is still the jersey I wear whenever catching a Dodger game. Was perfect for LA but had he not got injured in ‘17 , we may have not called up Bellinger!! Glad he works for the Dodger TV crew now
Bellinger was called up before A-Gon hit the IL, and he was playing LF before moving to 1B to cover A-Gon; the way Belly was hitting meant that he was staying in the roster regardless of A-Gon's health. However, Belly's success did make A-Gon expendable after the season, so he was traded, and coincidentally, it opened to door for Max Muncy to be called up the following season.
@@cesarcabrera97
Yep!!
unfortunately, adrian gonzález is a padre. i'm sure he would say otherwise but he's a padre
Nomar was the man too 🔥 and Jeff Kent
@@cesarcabrera97 in 2016, Dodgers fans and MLB fans knew A-Gon's time was almost up, and Belli was ready to take over. The Gonzalez injury ('17) was a path/justification for Belli to stick in the majors but Belli was already being looked at as the future 1B that went along w the young talented core of Seager, Urias and Joc.
I love Jolly’s videos. I took about 10 solid years away from following baseball after 2004-2014 and he always covers that particular era.
I stopped following baseball around the same time you did. Came back to it around the same time too.
@@glucosaminecondroitan9135 I got real involved in my career. What a waste of time that was. Stupid job. Who needs it?
Fub Fact: I was at that Red Sox game when they traded Gonzalez to the Dodgers. A lot of people were confused because of the lineups being shown on the screen and then it came out that he was just traded.
As a Padres fan, this kills me. He was beloved here. Should be a Padres HOFer. It’s a travesty he was lowballed by ownership and basically forced out of town. And then thrived with the Dodgers. Hard to see him as a Padres HOFer now…miss those days.
Yes but, for me, I despised that he essentially said joining the Dodgers was like where he always wanted to play. He's entitled to that and I'm entitled to a kid from where I grew up and played for our city's team said the Dodgers were where he actually always wanted to be, despite acknowledging he's allowed to feel that way.
Once he went to LA the love immediately died for him... He was awesome with the Padres, never go to LA if you want to be loved in your hometown haha
@ADM-wt9cn Fair opinion but it's not like the Dodgers and Padres were hated rivals when he was in Dodger blue.
Isn't Garvey in the Padres HOF??? If Garveys in the Padres HOF I can't see why Adrian shouldn't get it. Just my opinion.
@@dirknowitzki3891 True! Adrian was awesome... Wish ownership would have kept him. Not his fault but San Diego has forever disliked its northern neighbor... It just came out when we finally put out a competitive team IMO.
I miss when players did wacky ass commercials back in the 00s and early 10s. Waking up in the middle of the night and seeing them on the TV are core memories of my childhood
Now childhood memories will be of some loser with a YT channel pushing Manscaped products, making bad testicle shaving jokes to an audience of mostly teenagers.
My favorite player growing up. Those late 2000’s early 10’s padres teams were miserable but A-Gon made going to the park worth it
Gonzalez was amazing during his career, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer but he and Matt Holliday (who you honestly could make a case for him being in the Hall) at least should've gotten more votes on this year's ballot
Don Mattingly
I attended the 3 homer game against Cashner, and it’s a core baseball memory for me! Always loved A-Gon, only wish the Dodgers could’ve gotten him sooner!
Gonzo seemed to always get traded for pieces that helped teams win world series, yet he was a great player that never played in the fall classic
Would love a Gary Sheffield video. Literally just last night my friends and I were talking about how we miss cool batting stances and we all started imitating the hand motion he would do with the bat while in the box. Also it seems like whenever I watch your videos I'm reminded of how much better hitting was 20 years ago 😢
a gon is one of the most underrated players in the 2000’s and the 2010’s. so consistent and reliable for many years
I thought about Gary Sheffield for the whole video. Then you brought him up as a supplement at the end! Yes, do a video about his story as well.
Red Sox fan here, I was initially ecstatic about the Gonzalez trade, but he didn't quite meet my lofty expectations. While he did put up good numbers, it became apparent (as you said in the video) that he wasn't a great fit in the video. A defining moment for personally was a crazy extra-inning game against Baltimore in 2012 where the Orioles ran out of pitchers and needed to have a position player pitch. Gonzalez came up in a huge spot against him, and...struck out. Just felt like to me at that point like he wasn't a dependable clutch hitter like Ortiz and that perhaps the pressure was getting to him.
Nice video by the way, and I like the Mario music at the end!
I worked at a middle school for over 4 years and this was a flashback to recess on a daily basis. It was my favorite part of the day
Incredibly consistent player it is surprising he got traded as much as he did. Great content as always jolly.
I was too young to remember Gonzalez as a Ranger, and definitely don't remember his tenure as a Met. Glad I got a refresher on his great career!
Thank you for posting this video . Losing Adrian Gonzales and Jake Peavy were devastating to Padres fans . Thank God they made the NLCS in 2021/22
A-Gon always reminded me of Ernie from George Lopez
oh my fucking god thats who he looks like lmfao its been a nagging feeling all this time
Rickey Henderson was traded 4 times, and walked as a free agent 7 times
As a Sox fan I'm glad it worked out in 2013 but I did wish we either had kept Gonzalez or kept Rizzo. Gonzalez was unfairly blamed for a lot of 2011-12's dysfunction when most of the issue was starting pitching and Crawford breaking down, yeah he didn't have the best attitude but nobody did at that time
Rizzo was a Red Sox ? That's crazy
Bobby Valentine deserves his share of the blame for sure.
Oh my God AGon was so good. Loved him for the year and change he was on the Red Sox. Thank you for the video Happy Grape :)
Great video, I was a huge Sox fan and kid when he got traded there and when he got traded away, easily one of my favorite eras of baseball
The Oh Hi Mark cameo was phenomenal.
The 40 homer and 99 RBI season bothers me lol
doesn’t irk me nearly as much as Cedric Mullins 30 HR / 59 RBI season haha
@@leeumhopkins Curtis Granderson also had a 30 HR/59 RBI season
Mike Trout's currently sitting on 10 homers and 14 RBIs, and that pattern could easily continue when he comes back.
Barry Bonds went 45 and 90 when nobody would pitch to him with runners on lol
Hanley slugged 33 in Florida in return 67 rbi’s
By my count Fred McGriff was traded 4 times and “sold” once (Braves to Rays) and kept up pretty consistent production the whole time.
If you find all that interesting I’d love to see a series on the massive trades Randy Smith used to pull off between the Astros and Padres and later when he was GM of the Tigers with both those teams.
Love the vids man. You, fuzzy and rgs are like my favourite baseball youtubers. That said I have a sneaky addition. John Olerud also played for 5 teams and while his last 2 teams were well forgotten he still got traded round 5 times I am pretty sure. And I think Many Ramirez was traded 5 times unless I am mistaken and his forgotten Rays stint was just a signing.
Also as a mets guy I would love to see you cover Brian Lawrence or other forgotten talents that didn't last long. Cause I feel like the sport doesn't pay homage enough to players who had a sneaky good shortened prime. Whereas someone like Alek Manoah gets covered way to much when he will probably fall under the same tale of a shortened prime with 3-4 good years to boot.
Adrian Gonzalez hit one grand slam for the Mets and dipped
As a Dodger fan, always had massive respect for him on the Padres. Absolutely loved him when he came over to the Dodgers. It’s so good to see him now at the stadium in the broadcast booth.
As a Mexican American, Gonzalez was a legend in Mexican baseball sucks he never won a World Series but loved watching him throughout his career and in the world baseball classic with Team Mexico!
A-Gon suffered from a similar issue to Pujols- he seemed to get much less patient with age. He still had plenty of power when he connected and could hit the ball, but just seemed to try too much and get away from his approach. I think he left a good 50+ HR and 100 walks on the table with the Dodgers simply from not taking a few more pitches.
I hadn’t heard of Adrian Gonzalez until more recently when I found out he went to high school with my aunt and my mom. Then I found out he was a Padre… Then I found out he hit a bomb off my English teacher when they were in high school.
I remember Gonzalez was the first player I remember watching back when the padres had nothing but him and Peavy
This guy is from my hometown, he also went to the same high school I attended
me too ❤ there whispers of him being drafted from school, soon thereafter
5:24 wow look at the Nationals having 2 of the 10 best hitters from 09-10, surely they weren't the worst team in baseball those two years!
Before Boston pulled the trigger for the A-Gon trade, they had a condition that they can negotiate a contract extension with him. They already have the outline for a contract extension and only finalized it during Spring Training (I believe). Also, the trade to the Dodgers were contingent only on A-Gon being part of it.
Money was literally the only a thing that WASN'T a factor in Soto getting traded to the Padres lol the Nats threw a ton of money at him but with zero player development coming down the pipeline he had no reason to believe the team would be competitive
I remember watching MLB Network around the time of the trade, and they were showing just how many homers he was losing due to Petco. Ironic that he'd never even get to 30 homers again after leaving San Diego.
Some of the craziest stuff in this video:
Marlins top prospects at one point were-
1. Josh Beckett
2. Adrian Gonzalez
And 3. MIGUEL CABRERA!
Has there ever been a better top 3 prospect list???
The Rangers at one point had 3 of the greatest hitting 1st basemen of the 2000s in Texeira, Gonzalez and Hafner on their roster.
A year after trading Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford, the Red Sox won the World Series. Pretty impressive after off loading $250mil from your roster.
literally my favorite video every week, thanks Jack
The name I thought of first when you said players similar to A-Gon that have been traded as often was Dan Haren. Haren is a pitcher, but played at the same time as A-Gon, accrued over 35 bWAR, and was traded 4 times. That's on par w A-Gon when you consider that Haren was an actually productive piece in every trade, even though one was at the end of his career.
When I saw the "5 times" I checked out Gary Sheffield's page and said "yep, this is about him."
Life long dodger. I once sat next to his family at a game and they are the nicest folks ever.
I remember the day Gonzo was first put on the IL, it was insane to wrap my head around. Being a Giants fan, I was getting sick of seeing him during the regular season. Then it was just bizarre to see him as a Brave.
One of my immaculate grid heroes
Watching Gonzalez play for the Dodgers day in and day out was a joy.
Love the fact you've used Soleanna New City so much. One of my favorite songs in that game.
Career reminds me of JD Martinez
3:30 You should've mentioned that Young is now the GM for the Rangers
“If you have a really good player, do everything in your power to try to keep them” 👀 Pete Alonzo
Oh my gosh Jolly you made a video about my favorite player of all time. THANK YOUU
What about Curtis Granderson? I feel like he was pretty good overall player and he has played for many many teams
When I played ball in college, I was friends with a guy that played with Adrian Gonzalez in the minors in AAA. He saw Adrian scoff at some young fans wanting an autograph before the game. My buddy pulled him into the locker room right after he saw what happened. He told Adrian that the only reason they get paid to play ball are because of the fans. My buddy told me that some people just don't get the human aspect of sports and he was apparently one of them. Horrible locker room guy with a gigantic ego. My buddy couldnt stand him. He said Miggy was nicer to everyone in the dugout and more reserved/quiet.
the late late great Ricky Henderson was traded quite a bit too right???
Fun leap to make is to say Texas ultimately won that Gonzalez trade with SD because CY developed the relationship with Bochy that ultimately led to them winning the World Series last year
It seems to be a combination of:
1. Agon being a great-but-not-trancendant slugger at a non-premium position who entered the league during the Moneyball revolution. It was a conflicted time in terms of front office philosophy, and Agon was the type of player who could be simultaneously overvalued and undervalued by the league depending on their adoption of "nerd math" vs the good old fashioned eye test.
2. Luck of the draw in landing with Florida, Texas, and SD early in his career. Marlins were in pump and dump mode en route to the 2003 WS, 2004 was the end of the Rangers Arod era, and the Padres were a mid market team who never had a chance of being able to afford a player of his caliber beyond the arbitration years.
His mega contract with Boston made him the inevitable salary hot potato, so his subsequent trades to and out of LA aren't much of a surprise. As much of a fan favorite he was with the Dodgers, he was never going to have the same emotional cache of home grown players of that era like Kershaw or Ethier.
Now idk how he ended up on so many teams, whether it be via trade or FA, but Fred McGriff was on more teams than he should've been! That's a franchise player no one ever seemed to lock-up for too long.
You mentioning superstar players more and more unlikely staying as a face of the franchise made me think of my jersey collection. I chose players based on that likelihood and wound up with this
Colorado Arenado traded to St. Louis
Cleveland Lindor traded to NYM
LAD Seager signing with Texas
Arizona Goldy traded to St. Louis
Atlanta Freeman signed with LAD
NYM Degrom hurt and signing with Texas
Oakland Chapman going to Toronto
Cubs Bryant traded to SF
And worst of all Jose Fernandez dying....talk about bad luck
Really interesting how the Agon trade saved the Boston Red Sox and also was one of the first moves that really shaped the new dodgers franchise. March 2012 the dodgers are purchased by the current ownership. June 2012 they trade for Hanley Ramirez and August is the 250 million dollar trade. Basically since then the franchise hasn’t looked back. They went on to sign Ryu and Greinke in December of 2012 and got their local tv deal in January 2013
As a sox fan i always felt bad for AGon. He always gets lumped in with Crawford when people talk about that disapointing 2011-12 era, but it was never his fault. He was one of our best players but the media hated him for some reason.
love the use of a slowed down steam gardens as the outro song
EL TITAN, A GON , MY FATHER
Watching this guy was so amazing words can’t explain how much he’s an inspiration for me, my batting stance and even my career love agon to death
mark melancon was traded five times, as well as j.a. happ. tyler clippard was traded six times. cameron maybin and refguess legend edwin jackson were traded seven times, and jesse chavez was traded ten times
The most consistent MVP in MLB 12 the show
As a Dodgers fan who used to hate and then love Gonzo. I can quickly explain why such a great player was consistently overlooked, discussed or named as one of the best during his time playing: the guys about as exciting as a bag of dirt. He has little to no marketability or star power whatsoever. He just wasn't that kind of dude. And whatever people want to say, that stuff DOES matter.
Jose Reyes bounced around sandwiched between stays with the Mets.
Carlos Delgado only got traded 3 times but still worth noting I think.
My counter argument is that he actually didn’t get traded that much.
Padres to Boston
Boston to LA
LA to NYM.
Career end.
That’s not that much.
yeah its weird that he's including trades during his time as a prospect/rookie. he only got traded 3 times as an established MLB player. it really isnt that much.
Also, he went from LA to ATL but they released him 2 days later and signed with the Mets in the offseason later on.
We were told in Boston that AG was traded because he didn't like playing in Boston and wanted to go back to the West Coast. Maybe some truth but probably not the main reason.
Really nice QotSA like clockwork poster! Nice content about Gonzales too
He graced the cover of MLB The Show in the United States. In Canada it was José Bautista.
Loved the Braves jersey swap.
He was always underrated playing in SD who at the time wasn’t the power franchise they are today. The Boston trade was a big deal at the time and AGon was excellent there but in the end they never won anything with him.
Jim Thome was traded 3 or 4 times as well, but a bit more of the Nelson Cruz effect later though.
To be traded so much and still be depenable and consistant with great numbers...Wow very very impressive
Great video about one of my favorite players!
Miggy, Beckett, and Gonzalez is and insane to have as 3 prospects
Its hard to include prospect trades as actual career trades. I understand they're still player moves, but its probably best to consider those once a player is somewhat established.
Not in the caliber of Sheff or Gonzo but both were traded it seems every other year Todd Zeile and Hard Hittin' Mark Whiten. Both good ballplayers. Oh and one more Lonnie Smith seemed to be the Will Smith of now that would get traded and his team would march through the playoffs and go to the World Series either that year or the next.
agon on the dodgers at first was perfecto
Everyone loves sheffield definitely do that video
If possible. Please make a video on our third major leaguer from Tijuana. Freddy Sandoval. I gave up the go ahead home run in our little league championship game to him. He is now an author and also played with Adrian in the mexican league and world baseball classic.
Please do a sheff video. He doesn't get enough credit for how good he was
Thanks for tne wonderful content Happy Grape!
Only three trades, but I was always surprised with how often Greinke switched teams in his prime
UNDERRATED BEAST MAN
My favorite player growing up
This is a bit misleading. He wasn't a superstar traded 5 times. He was traded twice as a superstar, both times due to financial issues, not performance. He was a promising prospect when traded by the Marlins (who would have traded him much sooner if he were in fact a superstar) and the Rangers. The Padres of his time were having an "everything must go" fire-sale every other season under Werner and Moores prior to Seidler, and Gonzales was but one of many stars they shipped off during that era.
Red Sox didn't want to trade him. The Dodgers had coveted Gonzales for quite some time for both his superb play and attraction to the Latino community. The new ownership had a lot of damage to repair with the fanbase after Frank McCourt ran the iconic franchise into the ground, and Gonzales was seen as the ideal star for rebuilding trust. The Red Sox very, very much wanted to unload the disastrous Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett contracts that no teams wanted to take, making them all but impossible to trade. Dodger's new ownership had plenty of money, so the trade was basically absorbing the other two contracts to get the guy they really wanted, and sending away a star player who they would have liked to keep was the cost for the Red Sox to unload him.
He was barely able to play due to health when the Dodgers shifted him to the Braves who released him. Again not a superstar being traded.
1:05 3 incredible names in a row, picks 20,21,22
Makes me wish my Brewers locked up Corbin Burnes (who even in just 4 seasons is arguably the greatest Brewers starter in team history, and I mean that) but all will be forgiven if we win it all this year
Hahahahaha that mudcat commercial
Nice Queens poster.
Grew up my draft year. What he did in HS was just stupid and he's a nice guy too.
I think he should be in the hall he was up there with the greatest players of the day in all stats and categories.
Matt Kemp got traded 4 times
LAD - SD
SD - ATL
ATL - LAD
LAD - CIN
Ok
pride of Eastlake.. I remember when Klesko got hurt.., Adrian got the spot.., and never looked back
The name players who come to mind for being frequently traded are Dave Kingman and Jose Bautista.
About go on a beast run in Immaculate using this