The A-Gon trade may not have worked out for the Padres, but it did work out for the Padres GM. Jed Hoyer targeted Rizzo in that deal because he was involved in scouting him as the Assistant GM in Boston. Then Hoyer left the Padres for the Cubs less than a year after the A-Gon trade, and his first move with the Cubs was to re-acquire Rizzo.
You know what's kinda weird, Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 home runs while driving in "just" 99, but a few years later, hit just 18 home runs while driving in 108. That's kinda wild to me
Park/team productivity factors make it a little less wild when you consider how bad and how good some of these teams were, as well as their strange home park dimensions
@@nomercyinc6783 He had 6 all star selections. And part of the reason he's often considered overlooked is because once he left Cleveland (for the second time) he was more of a journeyman. But prime Cleveland Kenny Lofton was a star on a loaded team.
@@nomercyinc6783you only say that because outside of Rickey and Ichiro, small stolen base guys who don't hit a lot of homers are hardly ever considered superstars.
Life long Dodger fan and Gonzo is still the jersey I wear whenever catching a Dodger game. Was perfect for LA but had he not got injured in ‘17 , we may have not called up Bellinger!! Glad he works for the Dodger TV crew now
Bellinger was called up before A-Gon hit the IL, and he was playing LF before moving to 1B to cover A-Gon; the way Belly was hitting meant that he was staying in the roster regardless of A-Gon's health. However, Belly's success did make A-Gon expendable after the season, so he was traded, and coincidentally, it opened to door for Max Muncy to be called up the following season.
Gonzalez was amazing during his career, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer but he and Matt Holliday (who you honestly could make a case for him being in the Hall) at least should've gotten more votes on this year's ballot
I miss when players did wacky ass commercials back in the 00s and early 10s. Waking up in the middle of the night and seeing them on the TV are core memories of my childhood
Would love a Gary Sheffield video. Literally just last night my friends and I were talking about how we miss cool batting stances and we all started imitating the hand motion he would do with the bat while in the box. Also it seems like whenever I watch your videos I'm reminded of how much better hitting was 20 years ago 😢
Money was literally the only a thing that WASN'T a factor in Soto getting traded to the Padres lol the Nats threw a ton of money at him but with zero player development coming down the pipeline he had no reason to believe the team would be competitive
I attended the 3 homer game against Cashner, and it’s a core baseball memory for me! Always loved A-Gon, only wish the Dodgers could’ve gotten him sooner!
As a Sox fan I'm glad it worked out in 2013 but I did wish we either had kept Gonzalez or kept Rizzo. Gonzalez was unfairly blamed for a lot of 2011-12's dysfunction when most of the issue was starting pitching and Crawford breaking down, yeah he didn't have the best attitude but nobody did at that time
As a Padres fan, this kills me. He was beloved here. Should be a Padres HOFer. It’s a travesty he was lowballed by ownership and basically forced out of town. And then thrived with the Dodgers. Hard to see him as a Padres HOFer now…miss those days.
As a Dodgers fan who used to hate and then love Gonzo. I can quickly explain why such a great player was consistently overlooked, discussed or named as one of the best during his time playing: the guys about as exciting as a bag of dirt. He has little to no marketability or star power whatsoever. He just wasn't that kind of dude. And whatever people want to say, that stuff DOES matter.
Red Sox fan here, I was initially ecstatic about the Gonzalez trade, but he didn't quite meet my lofty expectations. While he did put up good numbers, it became apparent (as you said in the video) that he wasn't a great fit in the video. A defining moment for personally was a crazy extra-inning game against Baltimore in 2012 where the Orioles ran out of pitchers and needed to have a position player pitch. Gonzalez came up in a huge spot against him, and...struck out. Just felt like to me at that point like he wasn't a dependable clutch hitter like Ortiz and that perhaps the pressure was getting to him. Nice video by the way, and I like the Mario music at the end!
Love the vids man. You, fuzzy and rgs are like my favourite baseball youtubers. That said I have a sneaky addition. John Olerud also played for 5 teams and while his last 2 teams were well forgotten he still got traded round 5 times I am pretty sure. And I think Many Ramirez was traded 5 times unless I am mistaken and his forgotten Rays stint was just a signing. Also as a mets guy I would love to see you cover Brian Lawrence or other forgotten talents that didn't last long. Cause I feel like the sport doesn't pay homage enough to players who had a sneaky good shortened prime. Whereas someone like Alek Manoah gets covered way to much when he will probably fall under the same tale of a shortened prime with 3-4 good years to boot.
By my count Fred McGriff was traded 4 times and “sold” once (Braves to Rays) and kept up pretty consistent production the whole time. If you find all that interesting I’d love to see a series on the massive trades Randy Smith used to pull off between the Astros and Padres and later when he was GM of the Tigers with both those teams.
Fub Fact: I was at that Red Sox game when they traded Gonzalez to the Dodgers. A lot of people were confused because of the lineups being shown on the screen and then it came out that he was just traded.
Some of the craziest stuff in this video: Marlins top prospects at one point were- 1. Josh Beckett 2. Adrian Gonzalez And 3. MIGUEL CABRERA! Has there ever been a better top 3 prospect list??? The Rangers at one point had 3 of the greatest hitting 1st basemen of the 2000s in Texeira, Gonzalez and Hafner on their roster. A year after trading Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford, the Red Sox won the World Series. Pretty impressive after off loading $250mil from your roster.
Before Boston pulled the trigger for the A-Gon trade, they had a condition that they can negotiate a contract extension with him. They already have the outline for a contract extension and only finalized it during Spring Training (I believe). Also, the trade to the Dodgers were contingent only on A-Gon being part of it.
I hadn’t heard of Adrian Gonzalez until more recently when I found out he went to high school with my aunt and my mom. Then I found out he was a Padre… Then I found out he hit a bomb off my English teacher when they were in high school.
The name I thought of first when you said players similar to A-Gon that have been traded as often was Dan Haren. Haren is a pitcher, but played at the same time as A-Gon, accrued over 35 bWAR, and was traded 4 times. That's on par w A-Gon when you consider that Haren was an actually productive piece in every trade, even though one was at the end of his career.
You mentioning superstar players more and more unlikely staying as a face of the franchise made me think of my jersey collection. I chose players based on that likelihood and wound up with this Colorado Arenado traded to St. Louis Cleveland Lindor traded to NYM LAD Seager signing with Texas Arizona Goldy traded to St. Louis Atlanta Freeman signed with LAD NYM Degrom hurt and signing with Texas Oakland Chapman going to Toronto Cubs Bryant traded to SF And worst of all Jose Fernandez dying....talk about bad luck
As a Mexican American, Gonzalez was a legend in Mexican baseball sucks he never won a World Series but loved watching him throughout his career and in the world baseball classic with Team Mexico!
I remember the day Gonzo was first put on the IL, it was insane to wrap my head around. Being a Giants fan, I was getting sick of seeing him during the regular season. Then it was just bizarre to see him as a Brave.
A-Gon suffered from a similar issue to Pujols- he seemed to get much less patient with age. He still had plenty of power when he connected and could hit the ball, but just seemed to try too much and get away from his approach. I think he left a good 50+ HR and 100 walks on the table with the Dodgers simply from not taking a few more pitches.
I remember watching MLB Network around the time of the trade, and they were showing just how many homers he was losing due to Petco. Ironic that he'd never even get to 30 homers again after leaving San Diego.
Fun leap to make is to say Texas ultimately won that Gonzalez trade with SD because CY developed the relationship with Bochy that ultimately led to them winning the World Series last year
We were told in Boston that AG was traded because he didn't like playing in Boston and wanted to go back to the West Coast. Maybe some truth but probably not the main reason.
Makes me wish my Brewers locked up Corbin Burnes (who even in just 4 seasons is arguably the greatest Brewers starter in team history, and I mean that) but all will be forgiven if we win it all this year
EL TITAN, A GON , MY FATHER Watching this guy was so amazing words can’t explain how much he’s an inspiration for me, my batting stance and even my career love agon to death
Its hard to include prospect trades as actual career trades. I understand they're still player moves, but its probably best to consider those once a player is somewhat established.
mark melancon was traded five times, as well as j.a. happ. tyler clippard was traded six times. cameron maybin and refguess legend edwin jackson were traded seven times, and jesse chavez was traded ten times
If possible. Please make a video on our third major leaguer from Tijuana. Freddy Sandoval. I gave up the go ahead home run in our little league championship game to him. He is now an author and also played with Adrian in the mexican league and world baseball classic.
I feel like this is a bit of a reach. First trade, he got traded as an injured minor league prospect because his team was trying to win the WS and get better pitching. Second trade, he was in a 3 prospect battle for the MLB 1B spot with Teixeria and Hafner and his numbers were going down while Teixeira was playing great. Third trade, the padres were looking to re-build and get better prospects. Fourth trade, the red sox were looking to re-build after a disaster of a season and the culture of them team never recovered after what happened in 2011. Fifth trade, he was an injured player on the tail-end of his career. His production and power had clearly gone down due to injury and he was still owed a good amount of money so they traded him. Honestly you could make the argument he got traded twice because the other three happened before he became or proven player or after his prime when it was clear you would never see the same numbers from him.
He was always underrated playing in SD who at the time wasn’t the power franchise they are today. The Boston trade was a big deal at the time and AGon was excellent there but in the end they never won anything with him.
The A-Gon trade may not have worked out for the Padres, but it did work out for the Padres GM. Jed Hoyer targeted Rizzo in that deal because he was involved in scouting him as the Assistant GM in Boston. Then Hoyer left the Padres for the Cubs less than a year after the A-Gon trade, and his first move with the Cubs was to re-acquire Rizzo.
Josh Byrnes should have said "eff you" and hung up when Hoyer came calling about Rizzo.
You know what's kinda weird, Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 home runs while driving in "just" 99, but a few years later, hit just 18 home runs while driving in 108. That's kinda wild to me
The more sense you try to make out of baseball stats, the less sense it starts to make.
Park/team productivity factors make it a little less wild when you consider how bad and how good some of these teams were, as well as their strange home park dimensions
@antonioreconquistador exactly, IIRR bad Padres teams vs. Very good Red Sox and Dodgers teams
home runs arent the only or most consistent way of driving in runs. how can you be so incompetent
@nomercyinc6783 how can you be so triggered, my boy?
Kenny Lofton was traded 6 times 💥
lofton wasnt a superstar
@@nomercyinc6783 He had 6 all star selections. And part of the reason he's often considered overlooked is because once he left Cleveland (for the second time) he was more of a journeyman. But prime Cleveland Kenny Lofton was a star on a loaded team.
@@nomercyinc6783you only say that because outside of Rickey and Ichiro, small stolen base guys who don't hit a lot of homers are hardly ever considered superstars.
I think most of his trades happened in the Twilight of his career. Where Gonzales was in the prime with his
Lofton had a 68 career war. Sheffield 60. Lofton definitely belongs on this list and was a superstar table setter for most of his career.
I love Jolly’s videos. I took about 10 solid years away from following baseball after 2004-2014 and he always covers that particular era.
I stopped following baseball around the same time you did. Came back to it around the same time too.
@@glucosaminecondroitan9135 I got real involved in my career. What a waste of time that was. Stupid job. Who needs it?
Life long Dodger fan and Gonzo is still the jersey I wear whenever catching a Dodger game. Was perfect for LA but had he not got injured in ‘17 , we may have not called up Bellinger!! Glad he works for the Dodger TV crew now
Bellinger was called up before A-Gon hit the IL, and he was playing LF before moving to 1B to cover A-Gon; the way Belly was hitting meant that he was staying in the roster regardless of A-Gon's health. However, Belly's success did make A-Gon expendable after the season, so he was traded, and coincidentally, it opened to door for Max Muncy to be called up the following season.
@@cesarcabrera97
Yep!!
unfortunately, adrian gonzález is a padre. i'm sure he would say otherwise but he's a padre
Nomar was the man too 🔥 and Jeff Kent
Gonzalez was amazing during his career, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer but he and Matt Holliday (who you honestly could make a case for him being in the Hall) at least should've gotten more votes on this year's ballot
Don Mattingly
Adrian Gonzalez hit one grand slam for the Mets and dipped
I worked at a middle school for over 4 years and this was a flashback to recess on a daily basis. It was my favorite part of the day
a gon is one of the most underrated players in the 2000’s and the 2010’s. so consistent and reliable for many years
I miss when players did wacky ass commercials back in the 00s and early 10s. Waking up in the middle of the night and seeing them on the TV are core memories of my childhood
I thought about Gary Sheffield for the whole video. Then you brought him up as a supplement at the end! Yes, do a video about his story as well.
Gonzo seemed to always get traded for pieces that helped teams win world series, yet he was a great player that never played in the fall classic
Would love a Gary Sheffield video. Literally just last night my friends and I were talking about how we miss cool batting stances and we all started imitating the hand motion he would do with the bat while in the box. Also it seems like whenever I watch your videos I'm reminded of how much better hitting was 20 years ago 😢
My favorite player growing up. Those late 2000’s early 10’s padres teams were miserable but A-Gon made going to the park worth it
Money was literally the only a thing that WASN'T a factor in Soto getting traded to the Padres lol the Nats threw a ton of money at him but with zero player development coming down the pipeline he had no reason to believe the team would be competitive
I attended the 3 homer game against Cashner, and it’s a core baseball memory for me! Always loved A-Gon, only wish the Dodgers could’ve gotten him sooner!
I was too young to remember Gonzalez as a Ranger, and definitely don't remember his tenure as a Met. Glad I got a refresher on his great career!
I remember Gonzalez was the first player I remember watching back when the padres had nothing but him and Peavy
As a Sox fan I'm glad it worked out in 2013 but I did wish we either had kept Gonzalez or kept Rizzo. Gonzalez was unfairly blamed for a lot of 2011-12's dysfunction when most of the issue was starting pitching and Crawford breaking down, yeah he didn't have the best attitude but nobody did at that time
Rizzo was a Red Sox ? That's crazy
Bobby Valentine deserves his share of the blame for sure.
Oh my God AGon was so good. Loved him for the year and change he was on the Red Sox. Thank you for the video Happy Grape :)
As a Padres fan, this kills me. He was beloved here. Should be a Padres HOFer. It’s a travesty he was lowballed by ownership and basically forced out of town. And then thrived with the Dodgers. Hard to see him as a Padres HOFer now…miss those days.
Rickey Henderson was traded 4 times, and walked as a free agent 7 times
Incredibly consistent player it is surprising he got traded as much as he did. Great content as always jolly.
As a Dodgers fan who used to hate and then love Gonzo. I can quickly explain why such a great player was consistently overlooked, discussed or named as one of the best during his time playing: the guys about as exciting as a bag of dirt. He has little to no marketability or star power whatsoever. He just wasn't that kind of dude. And whatever people want to say, that stuff DOES matter.
Red Sox fan here, I was initially ecstatic about the Gonzalez trade, but he didn't quite meet my lofty expectations. While he did put up good numbers, it became apparent (as you said in the video) that he wasn't a great fit in the video. A defining moment for personally was a crazy extra-inning game against Baltimore in 2012 where the Orioles ran out of pitchers and needed to have a position player pitch. Gonzalez came up in a huge spot against him, and...struck out. Just felt like to me at that point like he wasn't a dependable clutch hitter like Ortiz and that perhaps the pressure was getting to him.
Nice video by the way, and I like the Mario music at the end!
Love the vids man. You, fuzzy and rgs are like my favourite baseball youtubers. That said I have a sneaky addition. John Olerud also played for 5 teams and while his last 2 teams were well forgotten he still got traded round 5 times I am pretty sure. And I think Many Ramirez was traded 5 times unless I am mistaken and his forgotten Rays stint was just a signing.
Also as a mets guy I would love to see you cover Brian Lawrence or other forgotten talents that didn't last long. Cause I feel like the sport doesn't pay homage enough to players who had a sneaky good shortened prime. Whereas someone like Alek Manoah gets covered way to much when he will probably fall under the same tale of a shortened prime with 3-4 good years to boot.
By my count Fred McGriff was traded 4 times and “sold” once (Braves to Rays) and kept up pretty consistent production the whole time.
If you find all that interesting I’d love to see a series on the massive trades Randy Smith used to pull off between the Astros and Padres and later when he was GM of the Tigers with both those teams.
Fub Fact: I was at that Red Sox game when they traded Gonzalez to the Dodgers. A lot of people were confused because of the lineups being shown on the screen and then it came out that he was just traded.
Great video, I was a huge Sox fan and kid when he got traded there and when he got traded away, easily one of my favorite eras of baseball
A-Gon always reminded me of Ernie from George Lopez
The Oh Hi Mark cameo was phenomenal.
Some of the craziest stuff in this video:
Marlins top prospects at one point were-
1. Josh Beckett
2. Adrian Gonzalez
And 3. MIGUEL CABRERA!
Has there ever been a better top 3 prospect list???
The Rangers at one point had 3 of the greatest hitting 1st basemen of the 2000s in Texeira, Gonzalez and Hafner on their roster.
A year after trading Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford, the Red Sox won the World Series. Pretty impressive after off loading $250mil from your roster.
Before Boston pulled the trigger for the A-Gon trade, they had a condition that they can negotiate a contract extension with him. They already have the outline for a contract extension and only finalized it during Spring Training (I believe). Also, the trade to the Dodgers were contingent only on A-Gon being part of it.
3:30 You should've mentioned that Young is now the GM for the Rangers
I hadn’t heard of Adrian Gonzalez until more recently when I found out he went to high school with my aunt and my mom. Then I found out he was a Padre… Then I found out he hit a bomb off my English teacher when they were in high school.
The 40 homer and 99 RBI season bothers me lol
doesn’t irk me nearly as much as Cedric Mullins 30 HR / 59 RBI season haha
@@leeumhopkins Curtis Granderson also had a 30 HR/59 RBI season
Mike Trout's currently sitting on 10 homers and 14 RBIs, and that pattern could easily continue when he comes back.
Barry Bonds went 45 and 90 when nobody would pitch to him with runners on lol
Hanley slugged 33 in Florida in return 67 rbi’s
The name I thought of first when you said players similar to A-Gon that have been traded as often was Dan Haren. Haren is a pitcher, but played at the same time as A-Gon, accrued over 35 bWAR, and was traded 4 times. That's on par w A-Gon when you consider that Haren was an actually productive piece in every trade, even though one was at the end of his career.
You mentioning superstar players more and more unlikely staying as a face of the franchise made me think of my jersey collection. I chose players based on that likelihood and wound up with this
Colorado Arenado traded to St. Louis
Cleveland Lindor traded to NYM
LAD Seager signing with Texas
Arizona Goldy traded to St. Louis
Atlanta Freeman signed with LAD
NYM Degrom hurt and signing with Texas
Oakland Chapman going to Toronto
Cubs Bryant traded to SF
And worst of all Jose Fernandez dying....talk about bad luck
When I saw the "5 times" I checked out Gary Sheffield's page and said "yep, this is about him."
Life long dodger. I once sat next to his family at a game and they are the nicest folks ever.
What about Curtis Granderson? I feel like he was pretty good overall player and he has played for many many teams
Jose Reyes bounced around sandwiched between stays with the Mets.
Oh my gosh Jolly you made a video about my favorite player of all time. THANK YOUU
literally my favorite video every week, thanks Jack
As a Mexican American, Gonzalez was a legend in Mexican baseball sucks he never won a World Series but loved watching him throughout his career and in the world baseball classic with Team Mexico!
Love the fact you've used Soleanna New City so much. One of my favorite songs in that game.
One of my immaculate grid heroes
I remember the day Gonzo was first put on the IL, it was insane to wrap my head around. Being a Giants fan, I was getting sick of seeing him during the regular season. Then it was just bizarre to see him as a Brave.
A-Gon suffered from a similar issue to Pujols- he seemed to get much less patient with age. He still had plenty of power when he connected and could hit the ball, but just seemed to try too much and get away from his approach. I think he left a good 50+ HR and 100 walks on the table with the Dodgers simply from not taking a few more pitches.
Watching Gonzalez play for the Dodgers day in and day out was a joy.
Carlos Delgado only got traded 3 times but still worth noting I think.
“If you have a really good player, do everything in your power to try to keep them” 👀 Pete Alonzo
Because he was a club house cancer in boston and they would never get rid of big papi the fans would have burned fenway down
The most consistent MVP in MLB 12 the show
Great video about one of my favorite players!
I remember watching MLB Network around the time of the trade, and they were showing just how many homers he was losing due to Petco. Ironic that he'd never even get to 30 homers again after leaving San Diego.
Really nice QotSA like clockwork poster! Nice content about Gonzales too
Fun leap to make is to say Texas ultimately won that Gonzalez trade with SD because CY developed the relationship with Bochy that ultimately led to them winning the World Series last year
Please do a sheff video. He doesn't get enough credit for how good he was
Gimme an RA Dickey or Jayson Werth vid and I’m busting through the screen
We were told in Boston that AG was traded because he didn't like playing in Boston and wanted to go back to the West Coast. Maybe some truth but probably not the main reason.
Makes me wish my Brewers locked up Corbin Burnes (who even in just 4 seasons is arguably the greatest Brewers starter in team history, and I mean that) but all will be forgiven if we win it all this year
EL TITAN, A GON , MY FATHER
Watching this guy was so amazing words can’t explain how much he’s an inspiration for me, my batting stance and even my career love agon to death
love the use of a slowed down steam gardens as the outro song
agon on the dodgers at first was perfecto
Thanks for tne wonderful content Happy Grape!
Its hard to include prospect trades as actual career trades. I understand they're still player moves, but its probably best to consider those once a player is somewhat established.
Only three trades, but I was always surprised with how often Greinke switched teams in his prime
Loved the Braves jersey swap.
Jim Thome was traded 3 or 4 times as well, but a bit more of the Nelson Cruz effect later though.
mark melancon was traded five times, as well as j.a. happ. tyler clippard was traded six times. cameron maybin and refguess legend edwin jackson were traded seven times, and jesse chavez was traded ten times
1:05 3 incredible names in a row, picks 20,21,22
UNDERRATED BEAST MAN
If possible. Please make a video on our third major leaguer from Tijuana. Freddy Sandoval. I gave up the go ahead home run in our little league championship game to him. He is now an author and also played with Adrian in the mexican league and world baseball classic.
Nice Queens poster.
I feel like this is a bit of a reach. First trade, he got traded as an injured minor league prospect because his team was trying to win the WS and get better pitching. Second trade, he was in a 3 prospect battle for the MLB 1B spot with Teixeria and Hafner and his numbers were going down while Teixeira was playing great. Third trade, the padres were looking to re-build and get better prospects. Fourth trade, the red sox were looking to re-build after a disaster of a season and the culture of them team never recovered after what happened in 2011. Fifth trade, he was an injured player on the tail-end of his career. His production and power had clearly gone down due to injury and he was still owed a good amount of money so they traded him. Honestly you could make the argument he got traded twice because the other three happened before he became or proven player or after his prime when it was clear you would never see the same numbers from him.
Career reminds me of JD Martinez
Everyone loves sheffield definitely do that video
Luis arraez to the padres. Let's go!
He was always underrated playing in SD who at the time wasn’t the power franchise they are today. The Boston trade was a big deal at the time and AGon was excellent there but in the end they never won anything with him.
Grew up my draft year. What he did in HS was just stupid and he's a nice guy too.
A Gon was almost traded to the Orioles early in his career. Unfortunately, Angelos vetoed the trade.
Traded A-Gon, traded Peavy, traded Rizzo too early, traded Latos too early. That shaped up my identity as Padres fan..
Shea Hillenbrand I guess was a jackass but I thought his John Gibbons stunt was righteous.
Jolly I’m begging for a 2017 Cleveland Indians video about the 22 game win streak. One of the best teams in the 2010s to not win the World Series
As a padres guy! Thank you for showing A-gone some.love
Make a video on Julio Franco please. Man quietly had a top tier career and played forever.
Jolly is a QOTSA fan? Hell yes!
Love it jolly
Dodgers legend
Hahahahaha that mudcat commercial
5:24 wow look at the Nationals having 2 of the 10 best hitters from 09-10, surely they weren't the worst team in baseball those two years!
If we let the best teams draft first we'll have more career team players
Al Oliver is a ballplayer who would have made the Hall of Fame if he was with one club
In honor of Luis Arraez being traded, how about a video of the biggest trades made in April/May in MLB history?
@JollyOlive
Can you make a video about the confusing 2016 season of Adam Eaton? I don’t understand how he had a 6.6 WAR
The cheerful cherry does it again!
Nuestro Titan de Tijuana ❤
Young Adrian Gonzalez looks like the love child of Johnny Damon and Ichiro
David cone was 4 trades (plus some free agent moving around)