season 1 of YJ is so good as a stand-alone series. It was self contained and every character had their own arcs. After S1… yeah I pretend those seasons don’t exist lol
Season 1 was good but then seasons 2 and 3 relied on comic book knowledge (which I didn't have any at the time) so sometimes the show was confusing for me. I would get confused about all these new characters that aren't named but are constantly introduced to the show. season 4 had a much more contained storyline but it was a drag and so sad all the time. But overall I'm glad, I watched the show when I had no idea about comic storylines. I only started to read about DC comics when I heard about Tim coming out. I have just finished the original Young Justice comic and all my thoughts about the show have changed. I really liked the team dynamics, friendships, characterizations, and overall the crazy storylines in the comics. the show messed up all of that, they had all of that material to pull from but they still made this show this bad. However, at the end of the day, this is an adaptation and animation, so I don't really care. I watched the show for entertainment and I'd still watch it for the same reason. However, even still, I am kinda salty about Kon's characterization, he was such a fun and interesting character and the show made him a one-dimensional angry being.
I actually really like Wally and Artemis's relationship, it was very good character moment. We see Wally schmooze every female character he encounters, even the age-inappropriate ones, and it never goes anywhere, the girls all think he's just being thirsty. The only female character he doesn't hit on is Artemis. Why is she such an exception? Because the way he sees it, she's intruding on the team slot that should rightfully be Speedy's, his friend he grew up with. Because he thought he had a reason to dislike her, he didn't flirt with her. And because he wasn't so fixated on hitting on her, it allowed their relationship to grow naturally, eventually he warmed up to her after working together for a while. But then it kind of relapsed when Artemis kind of sabotaged a mission because the target was her older sister (which none of them except Robin knew), and he was responsible and professional enough to be like "what the hell, Artemis?" But when she eventually confessed the truth and recontextualized that mission, he realized he actually did love her, and she appreciated how he was starting to stand up for her when Roy seemed to be dumping on her for no good reason. The M'gann and Connor thing, Connor broke up with her for a very good reason, it took M'gann a while but she eventually realized how right he was for that reason and was so horrified by her actions that she was willing to just sit there and let a villain kill her, feeling that she deserved it. That kind of instability is why Kaldur, Dick, Wally and Artemis didn't let her in on the big secret plan. She made amends, Connor acknowledged that she learned her lesson and the original reason they broke up no longer applied, and so their relationship was repaired. And for the rest of the series, M'gann refuses to fall back into old habits even when it would be really convenient for conflict resolution. What's the problem? The Zatanna arc in season 4 really bugged me. It was great, don't get me wrong, I really like Klarion as a villain, it was a great way to introduce and flesh out a new cast of characters, it's who it left out that bugs me. For YEARS, it keeps seeming like DC wants to use Amethyst Princess of Gemworld in a proper animated adaptation. Back in 2011, they had a 7-part shorts series that aired during commercial breaks, and it was great, most people (myself included)'s first introduction to the character. Then she was in the DC Superhero Girls Hero of the Year special, had like 2 speaking lines and her villain, Dark Opal, was one of the main villains of the special. Then she had a non-speaking cameo in the Teen Titans Go! movie, among like half a dozen episodes tv show. A couple years ago they even rebooted her comic, was promoted for Free Comic Book Day and everything. And in season 4, they have an arc all about Lords of Order vs Lords of Chaos, introduce a new lord of Chaos who- along with her crystalline anchor named Flaw- is an Amethyst villain. Amethyst is canonically a lord of order, that's like the perfect arc to introduce her, but they don't. Not only do they use one of her villains, they even have a random civilian who bears striking resemblance to her character design in the comics given very prominent frame focus in one scene, same color scheme and everything. It's as if they're going out of their way to cocktease Amethyst Princess of Gemworld fans, why? Is it because they think people would accuse her of just ripping off She-Ra despite the fact her comics predates the original 80's She-Ra cartoon by like 3 years and the aforementioned DC Nation shorts predate the Netflix reboot by like 7 years? Come on, she has so much untapped potential, do something with her already!
I honestly have no problem with an adaptation having the same name despite differences. I’m at a point in life where I understand that adaptations can be different and still be good, which has kind of made me care less about sharing titles. Like I guess if it’s derivativere of something and brings that thing more attention it’s ok with me. I honestly don’t think it really makes sense to judge a series purely on source material accuracy, but I get that people get mad when stuff gets changed or just left out. Idk sorry this is long.
I get what you mean. I just think this whole thing sucks since now people think of the show instead of the comic when people say Young Justice. Doesn't help that there's very little in the show I enjoy.
@@rabnerd28 I get that does suck. I guess for me when I hear about adaptations it brings my attention to the source material cause I’m really into that stuff. Sorry you don’t like the show though.
'just one conterunity were bruce is a good father and clark aspects Konner as his son', please' and lo upon this cry against injustice did the fates for once smile upon us all, with batman wayne famil adventures and decree that it is good and wholesome. let us all give prase, amen
@@rabnerd28no but SAME. Bruce himself is so less interesting to me than literally everyone else in the Batfam. But its just so much easier to tell people im into Batman because hes more well known and most of all the merch is for him. So somehow its simultaneously like, theres a so much related merch that you could make an avalanche out of it, but finding actual merch for the characters i love is just the hardest thing ever (EVEN WHEN I WENT TO A COMIC CON I BARELY FOUND ANY MERCH OF THEM UGH anyways)
Wait I thought Tiffany Fox was Batgirl #6? I know Bette Kane, Barbara Gordan, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown and Charlotte Gage Radcliffe. Ugh DC you give me a headache.
Helena Wayne had a brief stint as Batgirl pre Cass. Charlotte was pre Steph and then Tiff gets it in one of the potential futures alongside other Batgirls. The history of Batgirls is fun and not at all more frustrating than Robin histories.
When it comes to superboy and miss Martian, you kind of glossed over a episode that pretty important episode that acts as the genuine catalyst for their relationship. When the team looses their memory of the past six months, she's worried for superboy because six months is pretty much all he has in terms of memory. So later she helps restore his memories, and he feels grateful for not only that, but also taking an ability he has a negative association with(mind control) and using it for something positive in his life. They defeat the villain of the episode and grow closer. Their entire dynamic is meant to play into troubled guy sweet girl dynamic found in teen romances. With the twist being she's more the beast to his beauty( both in her true appearance and personality). Now both have significant personal issues they have to work through that are unique to them, but give them a since familiarity when their with each other. None of this is to necessarily defend the relationship. Just trying give context behind the intent.
She does try to erase his memory of an argument they had so he wouldn't be mad at her about it, and the argument is because she is putting the people they fight into a vegetative state. So she isn't a good partner at all in my opinion. She was literally using her powers of mind control against him to erase his rightful anger about the way she uses her powers against people.
Personally I don’t hold the name of the show against it as it was mandated by the studio and the original creators did not have that name in mind when coming up with the show. It’s pretty clear from watching the show and reading the comic that they were made by people with very different visions with only surface similarities
@@rabnerd28 I only just found your channel today, but also it wasn’t, like, a big appearance. More of a set up for later plots that (knowing Geoff Johns) might never happen. But maybe they will, now that she’s here
@@rabnerd28 so far most of the characters from that have shown up in JSA and Judy Garrick has her own book that just launched yesterday Not that any of this should bring you hope, mind you. I have less than zero faith in anything WB these days
season 1 of YJ is so good as a stand-alone series. It was self contained and every character had their own arcs. After S1… yeah I pretend those seasons don’t exist lol
Season 1 was good but then seasons 2 and 3 relied on comic book knowledge (which I didn't have any at the time) so sometimes the show was confusing for me. I would get confused about all these new characters that aren't named but are constantly introduced to the show. season 4 had a much more contained storyline but it was a drag and so sad all the time.
But overall I'm glad, I watched the show when I had no idea about comic storylines. I only started to read about DC comics when I heard about Tim coming out. I have just finished the original Young Justice comic and all my thoughts about the show have changed. I really liked the team dynamics, friendships, characterizations, and overall the crazy storylines in the comics. the show messed up all of that, they had all of that material to pull from but they still made this show this bad. However, at the end of the day, this is an adaptation and animation, so I don't really care. I watched the show for entertainment and I'd still watch it for the same reason.
However, even still, I am kinda salty about Kon's characterization, he was such a fun and interesting character and the show made him a one-dimensional angry being.
I actually really like Wally and Artemis's relationship, it was very good character moment. We see Wally schmooze every female character he encounters, even the age-inappropriate ones, and it never goes anywhere, the girls all think he's just being thirsty. The only female character he doesn't hit on is Artemis. Why is she such an exception? Because the way he sees it, she's intruding on the team slot that should rightfully be Speedy's, his friend he grew up with. Because he thought he had a reason to dislike her, he didn't flirt with her. And because he wasn't so fixated on hitting on her, it allowed their relationship to grow naturally, eventually he warmed up to her after working together for a while. But then it kind of relapsed when Artemis kind of sabotaged a mission because the target was her older sister (which none of them except Robin knew), and he was responsible and professional enough to be like "what the hell, Artemis?" But when she eventually confessed the truth and recontextualized that mission, he realized he actually did love her, and she appreciated how he was starting to stand up for her when Roy seemed to be dumping on her for no good reason.
The M'gann and Connor thing, Connor broke up with her for a very good reason, it took M'gann a while but she eventually realized how right he was for that reason and was so horrified by her actions that she was willing to just sit there and let a villain kill her, feeling that she deserved it. That kind of instability is why Kaldur, Dick, Wally and Artemis didn't let her in on the big secret plan. She made amends, Connor acknowledged that she learned her lesson and the original reason they broke up no longer applied, and so their relationship was repaired. And for the rest of the series, M'gann refuses to fall back into old habits even when it would be really convenient for conflict resolution. What's the problem?
The Zatanna arc in season 4 really bugged me. It was great, don't get me wrong, I really like Klarion as a villain, it was a great way to introduce and flesh out a new cast of characters, it's who it left out that bugs me. For YEARS, it keeps seeming like DC wants to use Amethyst Princess of Gemworld in a proper animated adaptation. Back in 2011, they had a 7-part shorts series that aired during commercial breaks, and it was great, most people (myself included)'s first introduction to the character. Then she was in the DC Superhero Girls Hero of the Year special, had like 2 speaking lines and her villain, Dark Opal, was one of the main villains of the special. Then she had a non-speaking cameo in the Teen Titans Go! movie, among like half a dozen episodes tv show. A couple years ago they even rebooted her comic, was promoted for Free Comic Book Day and everything. And in season 4, they have an arc all about Lords of Order vs Lords of Chaos, introduce a new lord of Chaos who- along with her crystalline anchor named Flaw- is an Amethyst villain. Amethyst is canonically a lord of order, that's like the perfect arc to introduce her, but they don't. Not only do they use one of her villains, they even have a random civilian who bears striking resemblance to her character design in the comics given very prominent frame focus in one scene, same color scheme and everything. It's as if they're going out of their way to cocktease Amethyst Princess of Gemworld fans, why? Is it because they think people would accuse her of just ripping off She-Ra despite the fact her comics predates the original 80's She-Ra cartoon by like 3 years and the aforementioned DC Nation shorts predate the Netflix reboot by like 7 years? Come on, she has so much untapped potential, do something with her already!
I honestly have no problem with an adaptation having the same name despite differences. I’m at a point in life where I understand that adaptations can be different and still be good, which has kind of made me care less about sharing titles. Like I guess if it’s derivativere of something and brings that thing more attention it’s ok with me. I honestly don’t think it really makes sense to judge a series purely on source material accuracy, but I get that people get mad when stuff gets changed or just left out. Idk sorry this is long.
I get what you mean. I just think this whole thing sucks since now people think of the show instead of the comic when people say Young Justice. Doesn't help that there's very little in the show I enjoy.
@@rabnerd28 I get that does suck. I guess for me when I hear about adaptations it brings my attention to the source material cause I’m really into that stuff. Sorry you don’t like the show though.
'just one conterunity were bruce is a good father and clark aspects Konner as his son', please'
and lo upon this cry against injustice did the fates for once smile upon us all, with batman wayne famil adventures and decree that it is good and wholesome. let us all give prase, amen
I hate DC's 'Church of Batman' status. We have enough Batman, get over him.
Ironically, Batman is the least interesting member of the Batfamily to me. Everyone else always has more going on that I'm interested in.
@@rabnerd28no but SAME. Bruce himself is so less interesting to me than literally everyone else in the Batfam. But its just so much easier to tell people im into Batman because hes more well known and most of all the merch is for him. So somehow its simultaneously like, theres a so much related merch that you could make an avalanche out of it, but finding actual merch for the characters i love is just the hardest thing ever (EVEN WHEN I WENT TO A COMIC CON I BARELY FOUND ANY MERCH OF THEM UGH anyways)
I’d like to thank AceVane for making this series funnier for me.
Wait I thought Tiffany Fox was Batgirl #6? I know Bette Kane, Barbara Gordan, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown and Charlotte Gage Radcliffe. Ugh DC you give me a headache.
Helena Wayne had a brief stint as Batgirl pre Cass. Charlotte was pre Steph and then Tiff gets it in one of the potential futures alongside other Batgirls. The history of Batgirls is fun and not at all more frustrating than Robin histories.
When it comes to superboy and miss Martian, you kind of glossed over a episode that pretty important episode that acts as the genuine catalyst for their relationship. When the team looses their memory of the past six months, she's worried for superboy because six months is pretty much all he has in terms of memory. So later she helps restore his memories, and he feels grateful for not only that, but also taking an ability he has a negative association with(mind control) and using it for something positive in his life. They defeat the villain of the episode and grow closer. Their entire dynamic is meant to play into troubled guy sweet girl dynamic found in teen romances. With the twist being she's more the beast to his beauty( both in her true appearance and personality). Now both have significant personal issues they have to work through that are unique to them, but give them a since familiarity when their with each other.
None of this is to necessarily defend the relationship. Just trying give context behind the intent.
She does try to erase his memory of an argument they had so he wouldn't be mad at her about it, and the argument is because she is putting the people they fight into a vegetative state. So she isn't a good partner at all in my opinion. She was literally using her powers of mind control against him to erase his rightful anger about the way she uses her powers against people.
@@ltfamily8577 there's a reason why I wrote she was more of a monster personality wise as well as loooks.
Personally I don’t hold the name of the show against it as it was mandated by the studio and the original creators did not have that name in mind when coming up with the show. It’s pretty clear from watching the show and reading the comic that they were made by people with very different visions with only surface similarities
Secret just came back in the Stargirl and the Lost Children series
...WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME EARLIER!
@@rabnerd28 I only just found your channel today, but also it wasn’t, like, a big appearance. More of a set up for later plots that (knowing Geoff Johns) might never happen. But maybe they will, now that she’s here
@@TheZMage Honestly no hope. If feels like they keep bringing characters back for cameos and nothing more nowadays.
@@rabnerd28 so far most of the characters from that have shown up in JSA and Judy Garrick has her own book that just launched yesterday
Not that any of this should bring you hope, mind you. I have less than zero faith in anything WB these days
Love this analysis!!! 🦐🦐🦐
Ah gosh. The season 5 predictions. That was before the show got cancelled again.
Tbf the avengers have been a family in the early comics
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