Project+'s New Update is Here - Who Got Hit the Hardest?

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  • Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
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    After four years, the long awaited Project+ 3.0 is here! With so much content and balance changes to try out, this video created by Serb & narrated by Artemis takes a look at some of the most obvious balance changes aimed to tone down some of the last version's overly powerful options.
    Created by Serb: / cannibalserb
    Narrated by Artemis: / femmeboiroy
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    0:00 Intro
    0:21 Donkey Kong
    3:20 Zero Suit Samus
    5:10 Lucas
    7:03 Ice Climbers
    10:03 Knuckles
    12:04 Outro
    #smashbros #projectplus #supersmashbros
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  • @illford
    @illford Місяць тому +176

    they gave ZSS an ass hurtbox 😭

    • @szion72
      @szion72 Місяць тому +35

      "They gave ZSS an ass" fullstop, thats the change

    • @gamesincharacter5106
      @gamesincharacter5106 Місяць тому

      Ig you can say she has a ASSBOX

  • @ilikepizza107
    @ilikepizza107 Місяць тому +255

    My favorite part of the patch was when the devs said "it's balancing time" and then balanced all over the place

  • @ojeinoway6968
    @ojeinoway6968 Місяць тому +20

    Euphoria and Not Like Us as the background music is crazy😭 great video

  • @Leo98pm
    @Leo98pm Місяць тому +44

    Aw man... I get ic's were a menace but those nerfs seem really significant

    • @hughmungus99
      @hughmungus99 Місяць тому +22

      ikr, kinda sucks they halved the ledge handoff distance. Turning fair spike into a meteor should have been enough coupled with the dthrow changes

  • @robertfriedmann1845
    @robertfriedmann1845 Місяць тому +124

    tldr, zss hurtbox got a bbl

  • @spaceace9103
    @spaceace9103 Місяць тому +46

    Last patch not like us

    • @normalperson7
      @normalperson7 Місяць тому +18

      if you were to pick a main it would probably be ice climberrrrrs

  • @huyphan7825
    @huyphan7825 Місяць тому +135

    That's so funny. The model overhaul to ZSS to make her thiccer was as much to make her look better as a character design (Seriously Brawl ZSS and even her first overhaul was unrealistically skinny) as it was to nerf her by giving her a bigger set of hurt boxes and spheres.

    • @DrCoeloCephalo
      @DrCoeloCephalo Місяць тому +38

      Who knew making women look like women was more practical?

    • @illford
      @illford Місяць тому +24

      yeah idk why she was so skinny she was like a stick insect

    • @RTU130
      @RTU130 Місяць тому +4

      Hmmm

    • @forestskilbred9461
      @forestskilbred9461 Місяць тому +9

      @@illford idk isn't samus supposed to be genetically altered by the chozo to make her a freakishly tall skinny human woman?

    • @huyphan7825
      @huyphan7825 Місяць тому +10

      @@forestskilbred9461 Let's not open that can of worms. Sammy has more cake now, which is a good thing. Especially now so our attacks won't whiff anymore

  • @gamesincharacter5106
    @gamesincharacter5106 Місяць тому +8

    I wonder if Lyn will ever be added in the near future or any of the scraped characters

  • @borkbork9541
    @borkbork9541 Місяць тому +24

    Most of the changes are pretty well thought out, but there's some outliers like reverting Marth dair to its og landing lag and nerfing Link that I don't think anybody was asking for, but I don't know for sure.

    • @VisaCardholder
      @VisaCardholder Місяць тому +5

      Is giving him, like, 1% less damage on one move really that bad? I guess the weight change is pretty big. But the third change they made seems like a huge buff. That's gonna make boomerang WAY safer.

    • @borkbork9541
      @borkbork9541 Місяць тому +4

      @VisaCardholder I mean yeah, the kb is uncompensated so it's just a flat nerf to his best kill confirm, I'd argue that's kind of a big deal.
      The grounded boomerang catch animation could always be avoided by shielding or being in any other animation anyway so it's not at all a buff to how much you can spam it, just a quality of life change, which while Nice is not in any way compensation to the other nerfs imo

    • @xMikau
      @xMikau Місяць тому +8

      The link nerf baffled me. I'm not at all competitive in P+, but was Link really strong? Didn't strike me as glaringly powerful in any capacity, and seemed less strong than toon link

    • @115zombies935
      @115zombies935 Місяць тому +7

      @@xMikauNo, he was a mid tier, upper half of B tier. Absolutely no idea why he got nerfed.

  • @jtg15115
    @jtg15115 Місяць тому +10

    WHAT IS IT THE BRAIDS?

    • @MyKeal
      @MyKeal Місяць тому +3

      I hurt your feelings you don’t wan work with me no more OKAY

  • @sethswoodruff
    @sethswoodruff Місяць тому +5

    Great video! Thanks for documenting these changes

  • @Prod_Venny
    @Prod_Venny Місяць тому +6

    yea I'm sticking to pm 3.0

  • @DrCoeloCephalo
    @DrCoeloCephalo Місяць тому +61

    I really apreciate how the dev team makes really well thought out small changes to top tiers. I despise how main series Smash thinks gutting and overnerfing previously successful characters is effective game design when it just makes the characters less fun on almost all angles.
    Wario had some tweaks to grab knockback growth and Waft body hitbox knockback. Minor stuff that I can live with because the character and his combo options remain fun.

    • @nateinman1
      @nateinman1 Місяць тому +4

      They literally removed all of the tools for one of the game’s top tiers lmao get out 💀

    • @DrCoeloCephalo
      @DrCoeloCephalo Місяць тому +5

      @@nateinman1 If they removed "literally all", then that would require the character to not be in the game anymore. The character still exists in the game. That is not what those words mean. Maybe you should get out and get a dictionary.

    • @nateinman1
      @nateinman1 Місяць тому +4

      @@DrCoeloCephalo Ohhh so he’s a smartass :D

    • @PME_FGC
      @PME_FGC Місяць тому +2

      In most cases with main smash titles, they'll also nerf the low tiers every patch even if they're bottom 3 (Little Mac)

    • @Retr0_ADHD
      @Retr0_ADHD Місяць тому +3

      @@nateinman1 "Ohhhh so he's a smartass" or maybe he's right and you can't think of anything else to say

  • @AllBladesCut
    @AllBladesCut Місяць тому +12

    Surprised you didn’t touch on sonic, basically only nerfs this patch huh.

    • @115zombies935
      @115zombies935 Місяць тому +3

      Seems like all the changes were nerfs. The game got brought down a lot.

  • @ameliabaroni2650
    @ameliabaroni2650 Місяць тому +15

    Man, they nerfed most of the cast. I want to play the new update, but I'm afraid the devs will nerf me too

  • @sean77408
    @sean77408 Місяць тому +3

    So excited for this update, btw You got anywhere we can donate to get you a better microphone??

  • @gio_setsuna
    @gio_setsuna Місяць тому

    Question where can I grab P+ for dolphin and anyone have good recommendations on downloading legacy XP as well?

  • @ailurophilekia6565
    @ailurophilekia6565 28 днів тому +2

    I just watched a video of yours from 2 weeks ago with high quality audio. Now I'm watching a video from 1 week ago and suddenly it's difficult to understand what you're saying. What happened?

    • @CannibalSerb
      @CannibalSerb 26 днів тому +1

      We’re a team with different editors and narrators, assuming the “you” is referring to this channel lmao

    • @ailurophilekia6565
      @ailurophilekia6565 26 днів тому

      @@CannibalSerb Oh that makes sense. You know I noticed the way this narrator spoke was very different from the last one but I assumed I was imagining it.

  • @Emerald3ME
    @Emerald3ME Місяць тому +6

    I hope we get rollback!

    • @GetOffMyLog
      @GetOffMyLog Місяць тому +6

      The team working on brawlback is reportedly making headway!

  • @mstipak
    @mstipak Місяць тому +3

    W BACKGROUND MUSIC

  • @notswush
    @notswush Місяць тому +12

    they not like us

  • @bibbyboxx2219
    @bibbyboxx2219 Місяць тому +1

    Great video!!

  • @surfingraichu7594
    @surfingraichu7594 Місяць тому +11

    Personally love all the changes, feels more justified using the previously busted characters even amongst my less skilled friends. Hoping for volleyball singles & doubles in 4.0🤞costumes & music has never been P+’s strongest suit tho but I can always figure out how to replace that myself I guess👍

  • @_fudgepop01
    @_fudgepop01 Місяць тому +1

    Fantastic video :3

  • @BobbyBasketball19999
    @BobbyBasketball19999 Місяць тому +22

    playing Euphoria in the background lmfao

  • @tonythejhit7104
    @tonythejhit7104 Місяць тому

    how can I get plus?

  • @sikeyouthought2484
    @sikeyouthought2484 Місяць тому +3

    Sonic definitely got hit the hardest. Nerfs all over, on stage and recovery. They went a little too overboard with the nerfs and now UP B is pretty broken (not in a good way) lot of weird ass bias going around with the devs sadly…

    • @CannibalSerb
      @CannibalSerb Місяць тому +1

      Sonic was an HM in the original script lmao

  • @MrStroodle
    @MrStroodle Місяць тому +5

    Without my girl Lyn and my boy Isaac, the vision will never be fulfilled 😭

    • @CrapMyHat
      @CrapMyHat Місяць тому +1

      Better yet just add Waluigi.

  • @vehemore
    @vehemore Місяць тому +2

    making zss thiccer ain't a nerf that's a buff in my opinion

  • @melee9183
    @melee9183 Місяць тому

    Still waiting for the gamecube adapter overclock to work. :(

  • @A1AION
    @A1AION Місяць тому +4

    Euphoria beat lol

  • @B.27y
    @B.27y Місяць тому +1

    No Buffs?

  • @Bellulaa
    @Bellulaa Місяць тому

    hell yeah

  • @CannibalSerb
    @CannibalSerb Місяць тому +23

    RIP to my hammer children

    • @CarterShaw
      @CarterShaw Місяць тому +2

      They massacred them

  • @Boilerguydave
    @Boilerguydave Місяць тому +1

    Did they add roll back?

    • @runaway74
      @runaway74 Місяць тому +5

      Not yet, probably not for another year or two

  • @ordeosca
    @ordeosca Місяць тому +4

    netplay combos 9 mention

    • @CannibalSerb
      @CannibalSerb Місяць тому +3

      Legit saved me so much time shoutout Chaloopy

  • @superflameking03
    @superflameking03 Місяць тому

    I feel like Knuckles shouldn't have his glide and spring. Maybe he should have a new up special that doesn't help too much with recovery since his glid is broken. It could be a flaming uppercut!

  • @xeonthecow8411
    @xeonthecow8411 Місяць тому

    3:32 omg is this the euphoria beat

  • @henrybitencourt
    @henrybitencourt Місяць тому +1

    i wish you guys buff the weaker characters so they can keep up more often

  • @patrickrolens
    @patrickrolens Місяць тому +6

    Patch 4.0 when?

    • @javi994
      @javi994 Місяць тому +6

      Give it another 4 years 😂

  • @KoopaKingBowser
    @KoopaKingBowser Місяць тому +3

    There better been a bowser buff 🤬

  • @Beastmd
    @Beastmd Місяць тому +1

    Can you make a video on buffs next?

    • @CannibalSerb
      @CannibalSerb Місяць тому +2

      The buffs in this patch were much more in the margins, not sure they’re exciting or significant enough for a full video
      But I’ll consider it 🤔

  • @JoeSmith-db4rq
    @JoeSmith-db4rq Місяць тому +1

    But still no Zelda buffs 😔
    Nah jk jk haha - super stoked to see the changes and I love the format you used to explain the effects and purpose behind the changes :)

    • @GurimuAU
      @GurimuAU Місяць тому +1

      She did get buffed a little bit. The vertical speed of Din's Fire was increased.

  • @kirbycardenas-vo8mj
    @kirbycardenas-vo8mj Місяць тому

    I know the beat the background

  • @superlukas1368
    @superlukas1368 Місяць тому +1

    Mario got nerf 😢

  • @alejandrovasquez4948
    @alejandrovasquez4948 Місяць тому +7

    What I find kind of frustrating about these changes is that the only top tier hit was zss. The rest as just high tiers with powerful but not broken traits

    • @115zombies935
      @115zombies935 Місяць тому +6

      A bunch of mid tiers got nerfed too for some strange reason

    • @RosalinaSama
      @RosalinaSama Місяць тому +1

      meta knight got nerfed a fair amount

    • @xtinaxendrix
      @xtinaxendrix Місяць тому

      sonic, wolf, dk, knuckles, sheik, mk, falcon and lucario all got hit at least a bit

  • @ln8496
    @ln8496 Місяць тому

    Dks dash grab untouched. Dumb

  • @gnarly814
    @gnarly814 Місяць тому +3

    ZSS nerfs kinda feel overkill.

    • @CTomCooper
      @CTomCooper Місяць тому

      From what I remember with using her she was just very solid all around, but didn’t feel as technically strict or precise as other characters in order to do well. Though I say that as a Captain Falcon main who came from Melee, so it might be my biases there.

  • @PERSONALEEMG
    @PERSONALEEMG Місяць тому +1

    wap wap wap wap wap

  • @noobtuber10
    @noobtuber10 Місяць тому +1

    Synch side b with icies works that way in melee though

    • @CannibalSerb
      @CannibalSerb Місяць тому +3

      Yeah it’s still a nerf from what it used to be though

  • @Heyim18bro
    @Heyim18bro Місяць тому

    rip pikachu

    • @CannibalSerb
      @CannibalSerb Місяць тому +1

      Pikachu was net buffed this patch lmao, all his worst matchups got hit hard

    • @Heyim18bro
      @Heyim18bro Місяць тому

      @@CannibalSerb how bout just buff my man?

  • @2000xmegaman
    @2000xmegaman 22 дні тому

    Add shadow 😭

  • @ThirdXavier
    @ThirdXavier Місяць тому +2

    Algorithm boost comment

  • @Anthony-zl7yz
    @Anthony-zl7yz Місяць тому +13

    To anyone crying about the nerfs, I think p+ desperately needed this. I feel like p+ and pm can be frustrating for melee players to play since a lot of the combo routes and options are way easier and often times free (ie the many grab kill confirms). Like low and mid teirs in melee required a lot of work arounds to their lack of options that make them fun to explore and extremely hype to watch in bracket. When I see the same knuckles combo a million times in tournaments it gets old. I think these nerfs are actually quite amazing, it almost feels like they had a vision to de-homogenize the consistant playstyle of every (higher tier) character, and give them a chance to be diversified and explored. I think watching characters like lucas and knuckles will be much more interesting now because people will have to change up how they play the same character rather than all doing the same things.

    • @z-leigh6554
      @z-leigh6554 Місяць тому +2

      Changing magnet pressure was indeed good. This way there's a reason to at least alternate between magnet and djc on shield

    • @surfingraichu7594
      @surfingraichu7594 16 днів тому +1

      @@Anthony-zl7yz yeah, I think they’re trying to tone down the braindead overly powerful stuff half the cast has had so far. There’s less time for neutral and defense when top tiers touch you and you die, every character being Fox is not fun so I think the changes were great and no character got destroyed or anything like a lot of people in this comment section cries about.

    • @Anthony-zl7yz
      @Anthony-zl7yz 16 днів тому

      @@surfingraichu7594 agreed 😤😤

  • @superstro2225
    @superstro2225 Місяць тому +2

    They Not Like Us playing while Knuckles is on is so perfect 😂

  • @paz8723
    @paz8723 Місяць тому +3

    Random ass DK nerfs

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Місяць тому +6

      Random how

    • @115zombies935
      @115zombies935 Місяць тому +1

      Everyone is getting nerfed for some reason. Just another reason to play PM over P+ it seems

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Місяць тому +5

      @@115zombies935 or you could be objective instead of fall victim to loss aversion. The better game isnt just the one with the stronger, more extreme characters. Ugh

    • @115zombies935
      @115zombies935 Місяць тому +4

      @@freddiesimmons1394 Nah, making everyone less fun to play and reducing the depth of the game across the board with universal changes on top of it all ain’t it. Definitely isn’t gonna help revive the game that’s for sure.

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Місяць тому +4

      @@115zombies935 aw its only fun if your character is better? Instead of balanced? Maybe after your balls drop you'll see that games are not about power maxing

  • @Mufflin
    @Mufflin Місяць тому +2

    knuckles nerfs? L

  • @115zombies935
    @115zombies935 Місяць тому +8

    Disappointing patch IMO. Nerfs across the board.

    • @Brob2nd
      @Brob2nd 13 днів тому

      Keeo getting 'emotional' over nerfs to your characters lol

    • @115zombies935
      @115zombies935 13 днів тому

      @@Brob2nd Looks like you took the L on that comment 😂

  • @Unnkxn0wn
    @Unnkxn0wn Місяць тому +4

    Who even plays this lol

    • @mikehasfallen
      @mikehasfallen Місяць тому +9

      A lot of people.

    • @hassoncarmon5779
      @hassoncarmon5779 Місяць тому +1

      Me

    • @Brob2nd
      @Brob2nd 13 днів тому

      Many, many people, and if you think i'm lying and nobody plays it, well, i'm the only person that plays P+ then

  • @BlackFrog24
    @BlackFrog24 20 днів тому

    I like how modern tourneys have pronouns next to the players names as if I couldn’t tell that was a dude lmao

  • @GetOffMyLog
    @GetOffMyLog Місяць тому

    Great video!