youre right and wrong, Rena is the best healer, at max proficiency healing star will heal about 5000 hp, a high level (above 100) fairy light from Rena will heal more, but its unnecessary for the most part and having Opera as an extra attacker/part time healer is considered more useful in the long run (for instance my healing star currently does about 3000hp and is suiting me fine in the cave of trials on a claude, opera, ernest, bowman team)
The way Ernest got a major glow up in the remake is insane. He’s so good in battle now. I feel Ashton and Chisato got nerfed a bit but they’re still good. Opera will always be queen.
Yeah, Ernest used to be one of the worst characters alongside Noel, but now he's really solid. Especially with Assists. I still think Chisato is almost as good as she was before, it just takes a tiny bit of thinking instead.
Chisato became top tier Assault Formation summon though. Missile Strike isn't usable as an actual killer move when she's in your active party because it takes so long to cast, but it's absolutely insane as an assault activation.
Can't agree with most points on the list, especially with the reoccuring "Oh mage trash"-meme again. It's true that mages were god-awful in the original and not only very weak but also time-consuming in that they would slow battle. This is clearly not the case in the remake anymore. In fact, Leon and his ultimate weapon and proper setup can easily hit for 17k per Ravenous fiend. Not per spellcast of it, per each individual fiend. Combined with quick spellcasting and other buff benefits he's definitely worth a spot in a party. And Leon is not the exception to the mage-rule. I haven't played around with Noel much in the remake yet, so I won't make any statements for him, but Celine (especially with her ultimate weapon) can also easily hit the 70k-80k (or max damage when hitting weaknesses) with her higher tier spells. She can even be set up for a Energy Arrow build, which for SOME reason, does way too much Guard damage and spam this all over the place, still hitting for 8k per hit, which results in about 41k'ish per cast on a single enemy. And Rena is still Rena, being your swiss army knife. In the remake her 'Gravity Crush' comes with an in-build vortex effect that pulls enemies together, while also dealing respectable amounts of Guard-damage, which sets them up for the rest of your party. People tend to forget that you can use items only with a cooldown afterwards, so when you face enemies that do a bit more than just "hurting" your party-members you will find yourself at the bad end of the stick more than you would want to. While a well balanced team-comp will save you time menu'ing every 8 seconds and burning through your resources. tl;dr - Mages are more than viable in the remake and don't deserve to be in a "Trash tier"-list. Precis is, unfortunately, definitely the best character all around. Just because of her (again) ultimateweapon, which increases skill damage by 200% and let's her uses skills for HP once she ran out of MP. Just slap on a life draining modifier on it and let her spam 'Barrier' and she breaks the game singlehandedly even on the highest difficulty. There's not even a close contender. Opera and Chisato are following closely behind due to their ability to wear the earring that increases the attack-value by 200%. Paired with a weapon that can never miss it'll skyrocket their damage output. Dias gets a weapon that always crits, which you can pair with a modifier that steals HP/MP per critical hit. FullMoonSlash also deals way too much Guard-damage. I'd put Welch on par with him because she gets hard hitting AoEs and generally does good damage. Followed by all the rest of the cast because seriously, none of them is bad, everyone can be build strong enough to be a serious asset to the group. So if I had to make a serious recommendation to anyone playing SO:R for the first time: Pick whoever you want, because tier-lists are acual trash and are more often than not absolutely misinformed.
I accidentally made most of my party low and sh*t tier by way of not knowing who was worth it and just going after who I could. It was pretty challenging, but made for a satisfying experience.
They tried to improve the mages but it just didn't work very well. On my Rena run I've been playing Rena the whole game and she's fine, but not great unfortunately. That said, people said Opera was good in the original as well. However, Claude and Bowman's healing abilities now have an AOE (IDK if they did originally) and they can heal allies, too. Rena's only real advantage is Angel Feather and Raise Dead, which at least puts her above Noel who has no real advantages going for him. The magic damage at least is multi-hit now, which is cool, but I haven't been able to find ways to effectively raise the damage of magic high enough to actually make it compete, and there's nothing like "doubles INT" effects I can see anywhere, or cutting down on casting time even further. They TRIED to make the mages better, and they did. They just didn't do a good enough job so they still drop off late/post-game and are still the worst party members. It sucks when you consider how good the mages in some of the later games are like SO4 and SO6.
Noel's advantage is he's able to wear bloody armor, plus he's a male character that can heal so if you're gonna make maximum use of Welch, he's a fairly useful party member
I will still always choose Ashton over Opera and Ernest because he is the best character personality-wise. He is so iconic, I can't imagine this game without him.
I like Ashton, hell, he's prolly the second best character in the game.....but opera/ernest are better in basically every conceivable way, being an advanced race it adds more to claude's story, opera is the only real fighter/healer, you can steal 2 battle suits off ernest, I actually have a hard time justifying an ashton play through on rena's scenario cus if you do you get no battle suits until the cave of trials, which means Rena is gonna have to rely on mage armor and no.....just no.
@@chrisdavey5530I happily take Ashton on a Rena playthrough. Opera and Ernest are better suited to clauds story, and Ashton is the most fun fighter to play. His character is also interesting. The missions to exercise the dragon, and cure the little girl are heartwarming. And his bad luck is amusing.
Seeing this video really makes me wish we had a modding API for this game so we can have a small modding community around it. There are SO many tweaks I would love to make to this game: • Buff some of the mid/late-game mage gear so mages don't become bench warmers • Tweak Arts and Spells to help re-balance some characters • Give most enemies and bosses 2-5x the HP and tweak their other stats and skill sets, considering how short and easy most of the boss battles are • Cap Forged Medals to only work up to level 50 and make the Magical Camera and Magical Film unavailable on Expel so as to prevent breaking the game so early on • Change half of the Factors to make them more appealing and add more Factors • Make the "Ultra" raid battles respawnable, and even make Ultra enemies spawn randomly into normal battles after beating them in Chaos Mode • Change some character dialogue and item names to be more true to the JP version, especially as someone who plays with the SO2SE JP voices • Add some new events, PAs and dialogue to better flesh out the recruitable characters, and even base some of them off the manga and 4-Panel Comic Theaters • Get rid of Celene's heart tattoo and change her eye color to be more consistent with her original version • Add Mayumi Azuma portraits as an option in the Status menu • Add PSX English and JP voice options for combat • Add the Voice Collection and Character Graphics Collection into the Database in-game menu • Change some of the item images to make some of them more unique • Add more craftable items, especially for equipment, making a few "side-grade" options for mid/late-game to allow for different builds • More
I feel like this review relies too much on the original. the lack of breaking, assault actions and still sticking with moves that were more so good in the original. Mages are the same but more, creating openings, more DMG from the original, and can be used to break. each one specializes in something different. Mages do have the benefit of being in the back and in duo bosses can hold their own if controlled using the parry. Claude: Top tier)- an above average fighter with a good gear pool that stays consistently strong. His big weakness is his lack of breaking abilities and surprisingly meteor palm is sort of his go to moves. Rena Mid)- your healing mage specialist. healing and support is what she does at the detriment of just about everything else. If not focusing 100% on support she can add breaking with her crush attacks. Her saving grace are all of her support, especially used in assault action. Celine: Mid)- A AOE mage who is the other side of the coin to Noelle. offensive in nature and a late bloomer, her real stand out is how early you can get her and freeing up another support spell for rena to use in the assault action. Southern cross is a decent DMG and breaking tool. Ashton: Low): Ashton real usage was his great normal attacks which were nerf to oblivion to be like everyone's else. piercing blade is good at breaking up close and hurricane slash was buffed but he really is lacking everything. Dias: Mid)- Dias has went from a power house and turned into a break type character. He does regain his DMG in the form of his strongest weapon. Still surprising most skip on his breaking potential. Chisato Mid)- This character was nerfed into the ground making her a more of a break type. leaving you with burning cards for excellent breaking and flamethrower and 100k volts.🥲 Leon Mid)- you're pure offensive mage that tries to reach the height of Melee counterparts. not much to really say. Bowman High Mid)- A bit better with the remake as they fixed his moves and his ultimate weapon makes him a tank but past that not much to really say. Con it comes at the expense of Precis. Precis God tier)- Not only was she an excellent zoner to begin with but they decided to just toss you a weapon that just says we wanted her to be the best. Welch #1) Outside of a slower breaking move She Excels at everything a Melee fighter has with DMG you can't even compare to. So unbelievable strong she doesn't even need to meet her weapons condition. Noel Mid)- The other side of the coin for Celine. He comes with healing spells and a surprisingly great breaker of tetanus winds. trading offense for helping out the team on field. Ernest God)- They really fixed every single one of his moves. A strong mid range fighter that climb from the bottom to the top. His accuracy is a Boon on harder difficulties. broken heart/ BED OF ROSES! for dmg and thousand tails for insane breaking of shields. Opera Top)- The main thing keeping Opera from the Top is her awful stats and weapon selection.She comes out more as a utility fighter. Her healing star can be all the healing you need but with factors now for hp drain it can be less useful. Gravitational sphere is a nice break skill and better yet it groups. and like all mid-long range fighter she has the great pro of not being in the thick of danger all the time. honestly a good portion of her skills are unoteworthy with hyperlauncher having RNG and little ending lag. With Assault freeing up character she comes out well being you're Battle mage (with a gun).
Opera didn't suddenly become better than Rena in the remake with Healing Star - it was the same in the original as well. Found it confusing you'd word it this way, feels like maybe you didn't play the original? I think a bigger reason Rena fell even further in SO2R (and honestly, all healers) was the addition of Remaking and Equipment Factors. If you're willing to spend a little bit of time (and fol), you can make characters that keep themselves alive simply by dealing damage (and taking none, other than a slow hp drain that they just need to deal damage to overcome). Once you get to that point, healing characters are useless.
Healing Star is still better due to bloody armors Rena's only crap even on the PS1/PSP games as soon as Opera has it at 999 uses BUT on the R version you actually NEED to have Opera with 9999 HP for it to restore at least 5000 HP.
Wow, I've completely forgotten about my request for this list. Course that was before I knew about the Remaster. So glad you held off until the remaster came out
I would put Rena up at mid tier, actually, alongside Bowman. Rena is very good as a healer with some magics, and she is one of two practical battle-healers. I do wish she got some killer arts, but…
My favorites to control myself atm are, Noel, Ashe and Dias I havent used Bowman, Chisato, Ernest or Opera yet, as im on my first playthrough. In the end. The best team is the team you like the most ☺️
Chisato is amazing if you get 4 pieces of equipment. The claws you get from puffy that heal you when you do damage. Bloody armor, earrings that raise your attack by 30 percent, and the bracelet that adds 2 extra attacks to your normals. Don't use any special moves and she solos everything and is invincible.
Or better if its possible have Chisato with that same HP drain effect on a 100% HIT rate weapon give her those Earrings that give out a 200% Str boost but DECREASE her hit rate by 50% which won't actually decrease her HIT with a 100% HIT HP drain weapon to use with bloody armors that way she can still do 9999 + damage per hit else the Phantom Slayer weapon from Puffy may possibly not do 9999 per hit WITHOUT using 100,000 K Volts/Tear gas.
That Bloody Armor invincibility strat works for pretty much any character outside of Chisato. That doesn't make Chisato uniquely amazing. And a healing weapon can be made for all characters as long as you're willing to tinker around with IC system RNG for a while. Bloody Armor with the right setup makes all characters God tier.
Its just that Ashton Noel Welch are still pure CRAP WITH IT equipped since Healing weapons are NOT reliable to make 100% of the time your better off NOT making any and just 5000+ HP restore by spamming Healing Star with Opera and still bloody armor Claude Dias Opera Bowman/Chisato for the entire game. As for instant kills the Algol Shield for Chisato STILL works IF you bloody armor her.
@@veghesther3204 "Not reliable to make 100% of the time"? Save scumming is a thing in SO2R, you know. That much mean that healing weapons are reliable to make for any character as long as you're willing to invest a little bit of time reloading.
Sure you could save but with Healing Star EASILY usable in this version and it doesn't even need 999 uses to restores 5000+ HP I'd rather do that then SET HP drain TO 100% HIT rate weapons. The ONLY 100% way to NOT rely on RNG is via the ONLY HP drain weapon in the ENTIRE game and BOTH Phantom Slayers are ONLY gotten in the POST game dungeon both BOTH Chisato and Bowman can equip it.
I end up disagreeing. The mages arent shit tier in this game solely for the reason of break dmg cap and AA. Leon especially once he learns Extinction because he will do massive damage when his AA is ready, and its non-elemental. It usually hits the dmg cap as well for me. Rena is the only maybe sh*t tier imo, because you dont need to rely on her healing thanks to via Remake factors. She then is ends up as solely support because she has no good offensive spells. Celine is better than her imo because Celine also has Angel Feather and has better offensive magic. Just my take.
The thing about Opera was that her role was KINDA redundant now with HP and MP drain factor from Weapon. Plus, Claude could easily replace her job with Sword of Life since it now became Tales of Vesperia Guardian Field (fast AND damage around you.) I would bump up Claude to God Tier and move Opera down to 5th. Best DPS team rn imo are Claude, Welch, Ernest and Precis. Most of the time all of your fighters are within the range of Sword of Life anyway and his Meteor Palm and Normal Atks. Slap a HIT+20% factor and Gathering Stars on one of his accessory and you are good to go. Claude is the earliest character to tackle Raid bosses as low as Lv 40 with Bloody Armor and Sword of Life in Universe.
LV 40 is too weak to NOT have to spam Sword of Life EVERY 1 to 2 seconds with the Bloody armor since lv 40 is too low you need a MINIMUM of 7000 HP AND the Marvel sword equipped for the ENTIRE game. But due to 100% RNG for HP/MP drain weapons your better off using NEITHER effect and still Bloody armor a lv 100+ Claude Opera Chisato Dias/Bowman party immediately. Meteor Palm is CRAP it will never out HIT Mirror Blade for total number of hits.
@@veghesther3204 Idiot, I broke the game as soon as I got Celine. I killed the Raid Golem and the Raid Assassin At Lv 40 thanks to the factors trick (use failed armor or boosts or weapon that has Masterwork and then duplicate that shit.) Marvel Sword was a given. There are so many accessory and way to obtain the materials that boost HP that you could pretty much got 7000+HP by that Lv. By the end of Mirror Blade, I got 3 Meteor Palm out already and BTW, your Bloody Armor tricks are useless against Raid Gabriel anyway. Bloody Equipment disable. LOL
Don't cross Welch, you'll regret it! TAKE THAT! AND THAT! AND THAT! I'm still astonished at how easily she melts enemy health. Forget Star Ocean, Welch is one of the most broken RPG characters.
I dont know R like I do the OG ps1 version but here goes Top Tier: Claude/Ashton/Chisato Like most SOs the main character Claude is the best, Ashton with the right set up can stun lock anything and Chisato has the best speed, tear gas has huge hits and whirlwind has one of the highest priorities in the game Healer Tier: Opera/Rena you need a healer in this game, you can either have rena do it full time or opera do it part time Middle Tier: Opera (sans healing)/Bowman/Dias/Precis basically the rest of the fighters, Dias should be better imo Bottom Tier: Ernest/Mages Really the only good thing about ernest is he's not a mage and you can steal 2 battle suits off him (which actually makes him worth it easily) and the mages are ass in og SO2, its ruins the flow of combat, they'll never spam as much damage as the fighter, etc. Noel Tier: Noel he's supposed to be a jack of all trades, but doesnt have killer moves so he cant fight, doesnt have a high enough magic stat to cast/heal and doesnt have access to the really good spells.
I was wondering what kind of rebalancing they may have done for the title, but I wasn't expecting Ernest and Bowman to have useful aspects this time around since they used to largely be considered the worse fighter characters in the original. Poor Ashton, though. Used to be considered among the top four and sometimes top two.
Ernest does more damage than Dias at all stages of the game. Bed of Roses can hit anywhere on the battlefield and hits a ton of times for stupid damage and Thousand Tails is one of the best breaking tools in the game. I can agree with Precis and Welch being higher but as a solo character, Ernest is better than Opera and as a party character she has the heal over him. Opera is otherwise very slow and her attacks have a lot of startup. Ernest's normals come out stupid fast and chain into his skill very nicely.
It's good Ernest isn't super bad like in the original, but Ashton was always a lesser Claude/Leon. I still rate mages: Celine>Leon>Noel due to availability, when she joins, and how Southern Cross is an great Assault Action (Leon's Ravenous Fiend is solid too). Your 8th character is pretty much between Noel/Chisato, and like hell will I pick Noel over Chisato's Tear Gas and Crit potential, lol.
Nobody's ever going to agree with everything on a tier list, but with that said I definitely have to disagree off the bat. Let me start by saying that I would put characters in tiers from S to C, that is, really any combination works to beat the game, although I think 4 casters would be a pretty miserable time. You've put Celine in the garbage, which is debatable from a combat perspective, but absolutely ridiculous if you look at what she gets you. She exists so early that even meager combat performance helps, and acts as another body that can earn SP for Super Specialties at the absolute worst. In terms of skills, Celine comes with Crafting and Alchemy pre-learned, making her a great Writer, and she has pretty strong odds to both start with and learn Wild Instinct as well, making her great for Scouting. Even though she stops meaningfully contributing in combat once you get rolling, she gets you rolling faster. Long after she's fallen off, she learns Angel Feather, and suddenly, she's a free boost to all of your team's stats while sitting on the bench. Not taking Celine actively hurts the player's options so much more than missing anyone else (especially since she doesn't cost you anything), it's just wrong to call her garbage. In terms of combat performance, you're pretty much correct about all the mages. The gap between them and the fighters is so large that it can't be denied or mitigated, and personally I would stick them all in the "Assault" Tier and be done with it. In regard to Rena, she isn't bad now because of Healing Star (which already existed on PSX), Claude and Bowman's self-heal moves were also massively buffed to be able to heal others, and the existence of the Assault Formation means you don't often need to dedicate a frontline spot to recovery even IF you need help living. Chisato, pretty correct, although her biggest flaw is that her weapons have such low ATK (finally in the 1.1 update she gets one that's competitive). Ashton, sadly true, he's fallen from grace with multi-star spray being nerfed and elemental attacks often hurting you. I don't think his accuracy is an issue, he's actually got some high quality weapons, but the fact that nearly all of his arts are so slow certainly is. If you can get over the giant pit that is his endgame to mid-post game performance he suddenly gets relevant again because the Maze swords are broken (now in 1.1 the pit has mercifully been shrank). Bowman and Ernest are pretty accurate, both are substantially improved by their 1.1 weapons as well. One thing about Ernest is that Bed of Roses doesn't ever require him to move, which keeps him very safe, and his ultimate weapon's thorns will automatically switch targets making him the best mob sweeper. Claude is who I would argue is the best character in the game. He gets some of the best moves in the game shockingly early, has the best equipment pool, and even crafts all the best stuff too. It's not like you can avoid recruiting him, but he's good at all stages and actually gets even stronger in postgame with the Levantine. I'm not sure how you're running into accuracy problems, but the Sword of Marvels makes him unblockable if you really needed that. He really can just solo the game if you want. With Dias, I'm sad not to hear anything about Full Moon Slash, which is probably the best Break art in the game. Out of the box, Dias is like Bowman, but safer and with better weapons (notably, you can actually get his ultimate weapon before you even have him - although if you do that, you probably won't be needing it). I'd actually put him as second place overall just because it's so easy to get use out of him. If only he joined earlier... Precis is indeed very strong, her ultimate weapon is crazy, and Forcefield means she doesn't even need to move, however, I would be remiss if I did not mention that Precis does have a flaw - unlike every other fighter she can't equip Bloody gear. Usually this won't matter too much, but it does affect her more significantly in solo situations. She also really guzzles MP if you try to use her better moves early, as a minor complaint. Opera I find constantly being overrated. Everyone loves Healing Star, but the truth is that you don't really need it. Like I mentioned above with Rena, there are plenty of ways to heal without a healer on the frontline. Her AI isn't even good with Healing Star... When I was playing Chaos Mode, I had her in Bloody Armor alongside everyone else in Bloody Helmets (because I didn't feel like Remaking her placeholder weapon for MP Drain at the time) and she let herself die multiple times - apparently she won't use it if she's the only one who needs healing? Speaking of weapons, Opera's are terrible in terms of power (even worse than Chisato) and she lacks Chisato's accuracy as well. Seriously, before 1.1, her best weapon was 1450 ATK with 0 HIT (thank the Lord 1.1 improves it). She ALSO suffers from Hyperlauncher and Gravitational Sphere being elemental attacks (and expensive), at least the latter of which *is* really good for Breaking. Breaking is her most useful aspect in my opinion, that, and she allows you to get Ernest. Welch is definitely broken, but she's not quite as broken as she sounds here, Fully optimized, she'd be doing at best 50% more than Precis and Claude. She's only slightly superior in a party that's not 3 males (which is worth it because it means you get to use Precis). The real reason she's broken is actually the 1 male effect where her attacks can't miss (Ernest gets a similar property in 1.1). This means she's totally free to use the Earring of Frenzy to cap out her ATK AND she gets to use her accessory Factors on something other than HIT - like Full Bonus, which boosts the entire party's performance, Morale Booster, Loving Care, Item Master, or even just Break Up.
Update regarding Opera: It seems that her enhanced ultimate weapon gets crazy with extra hits. It shoots a homing shot at every enemy on the field whenever she does any attack, however that shot is also affected by the +attack hits effect (at least, when spawned from normal attacks), meaning that it actually gives her 3 attacks per swing + 3 *more* hits per swing on every enemy on the field *and* the homing shots do more damage than her base hit does. This might honestly be a glitch, but it's the perfect storm to elevate her to the upper echelons of power. She does still have an accuracy issue if you're using the Earring of Frenzy, and of course you need to be in post game to even use this strategy, but it looks like the Ring of Lightspeed (and later the Winged Bracelet) is a tremendous boost to her now. The really sad news is that the Winged Bracelet was the only thing that was keeping Ashton's name in the books; with this discovery, you'd take Opera every time for combat purposes.
>Starts game as Claude >Builds entire harem of female companions, no males >Most of them are trash but still beats game on the highest difficulty Why did I gimp myself with the cutest girls? :(
@@locloudanerpg Is Universe the highest difficulty? Also had no idea that Celine and Chisato were arguably the worst but at the same time I probably didn't build Precis or Opera properly either, same goes for Welch. Though I will say the one nerf for me was the inability to spam Claude's leaping slash maneuver, whatever it's called in this day and age. I remember on the PS1 that move carrying me through the entire game with how it seemingly gave him I-frames the entire battle.
Same as the others so Celine Ashton Precis Noel Leon Welch IMHO are still CRAP and are still NEVER going to be in my party while I'll still Bloody armor a LV 100+ Claude OPERA Bowman Dias Chisato party and ONLY Claude Opera and Bowman can SOLO bosses by default with bloody armors since their the only ones with Self Healing moves.
be prepared! worst to best Noel, DIAS, Leon,Celin,Rena,Ashton,Bowman,Chisato,Ernest,Welch,Precis,Claud,OPera yes. DIAS SUCKS SO FUCKING HARD!! he has airslash.. that is it!! his normal attack is useless! he is so bad not even assault can save him because ALL of this specials suck!! they are even worse in the assault slot!! mages do at least one time AOE damage. DIas has to spam airslash otherwise it is worthless. and what the F did they do to mirror blade. completely useless although very cool looking! and ashton has a god awefull voice! besides that. This remake is astonishing!! a dream come true. just wish they would have balanced it better.
Dias is far from Crap in fact Air Slash is ALL he needs + Bloody armor him + 100% hit rate him + Beserk ring and Ring of Might him and he will still do 9999+ damage per hit and NEVER DIE.
Dias is awesome. Air Slash is literally the only move he needs, and his ultimate weapon has a 100% critical hit, Break or not. That's pretty awesome too. Very useful character for post-game.
Add in bloody armoring HIM Claude Opera and Bowman/Dias is all you need Ashton Noel Welch are still Crap WITH blood armors and Precis Celine can't even equip it and Healing Star STILL makes Rena worthless.
@@veghesther3204if a characters Meta build in the end/post game is OP the character is good? i dont see it like that. the game is more than the post game. every character is OP with the ultimate equipment. bowman gets shit for spaming explosion pills but spaming airslash with dias is awesome?....wtf?
To be fair some enemies absorb fire damage so even WITH a bloody armor on Bowman never use Explosion pills are fire immune enemies but IMHO Celine Ashton Precis Noel Leon Welch are pure crap not just for the post game but they still all suck as soon as they FIRST join the party and NEVER are so I'll still ditch the useless Celine by NOT having her join after you exit Cross Cave but NOT before Lving up Claude/Rena TO lv 100 in this R version on the Lasguss mountains. But Ashton Precis Leon Welch will NEVER join my party ever and for the Hoffman ruins I'll bloody armor a LV 100+ Claude Opera Bowman party and NEVER use Leon in battles their.
Opera was best healer in the og Star Ocean Second Story as well.
youre right and wrong, Rena is the best healer, at max proficiency healing star will heal about 5000 hp, a high level (above 100) fairy light from Rena will heal more, but its unnecessary for the most part and having Opera as an extra attacker/part time healer is considered more useful in the long run (for instance my healing star currently does about 3000hp and is suiting me fine in the cave of trials on a claude, opera, ernest, bowman team)
I have zero objections to your placements! Thanks for the mention!
Anytime!
The way Ernest got a major glow up in the remake is insane. He’s so good in battle now. I feel Ashton and Chisato got nerfed a bit but they’re still good. Opera will always be queen.
Yeah, Ernest used to be one of the worst characters alongside Noel, but now he's really solid. Especially with Assists. I still think Chisato is almost as good as she was before, it just takes a tiny bit of thinking instead.
Thousand Whip 😩
Chisato became top tier Assault Formation summon though. Missile Strike isn't usable as an actual killer move when she's in your active party because it takes so long to cast, but it's absolutely insane as an assault activation.
Can't agree with most points on the list, especially with the reoccuring "Oh mage trash"-meme again.
It's true that mages were god-awful in the original and not only very weak but also time-consuming in that they would slow battle. This is clearly not the case in the remake anymore. In fact, Leon and his ultimate weapon and proper setup can easily hit for 17k per Ravenous fiend. Not per spellcast of it, per each individual fiend. Combined with quick spellcasting and other buff benefits he's definitely worth a spot in a party.
And Leon is not the exception to the mage-rule. I haven't played around with Noel much in the remake yet, so I won't make any statements for him, but Celine (especially with her ultimate weapon) can also easily hit the 70k-80k (or max damage when hitting weaknesses) with her higher tier spells. She can even be set up for a Energy Arrow build, which for SOME reason, does way too much Guard damage and spam this all over the place, still hitting for 8k per hit, which results in about 41k'ish per cast on a single enemy.
And Rena is still Rena, being your swiss army knife. In the remake her 'Gravity Crush' comes with an in-build vortex effect that pulls enemies together, while also dealing respectable amounts of Guard-damage, which sets them up for the rest of your party. People tend to forget that you can use items only with a cooldown afterwards, so when you face enemies that do a bit more than just "hurting" your party-members you will find yourself at the bad end of the stick more than you would want to. While a well balanced team-comp will save you time menu'ing every 8 seconds and burning through your resources.
tl;dr - Mages are more than viable in the remake and don't deserve to be in a "Trash tier"-list.
Precis is, unfortunately, definitely the best character all around. Just because of her (again) ultimateweapon, which increases skill damage by 200% and let's her uses skills for HP once she ran out of MP. Just slap on a life draining modifier on it and let her spam 'Barrier' and she breaks the game singlehandedly even on the highest difficulty. There's not even a close contender.
Opera and Chisato are following closely behind due to their ability to wear the earring that increases the attack-value by 200%. Paired with a weapon that can never miss it'll skyrocket their damage output.
Dias gets a weapon that always crits, which you can pair with a modifier that steals HP/MP per critical hit. FullMoonSlash also deals way too much Guard-damage.
I'd put Welch on par with him because she gets hard hitting AoEs and generally does good damage.
Followed by all the rest of the cast because seriously, none of them is bad, everyone can be build strong enough to be a serious asset to the group.
So if I had to make a serious recommendation to anyone playing SO:R for the first time: Pick whoever you want, because tier-lists are acual trash and are more often than not absolutely misinformed.
One thing he forgot to mention, is that SO2R is NOT a challenging game overall, so yes, you can use bottom tier characters just fine
I accidentally made most of my party low and sh*t tier by way of not knowing who was worth it and just going after who I could. It was pretty challenging, but made for a satisfying experience.
UNLESS you unlock the unchained version of the final boss. 😬 That man bodies max levels.
Ya but i mean even then you would have alredy had to beat the game for that to happen lol@@nolongeraperson
They tried to improve the mages but it just didn't work very well. On my Rena run I've been playing Rena the whole game and she's fine, but not great unfortunately.
That said, people said Opera was good in the original as well. However, Claude and Bowman's healing abilities now have an AOE (IDK if they did originally) and they can heal allies, too. Rena's only real advantage is Angel Feather and Raise Dead, which at least puts her above Noel who has no real advantages going for him. The magic damage at least is multi-hit now, which is cool, but I haven't been able to find ways to effectively raise the damage of magic high enough to actually make it compete, and there's nothing like "doubles INT" effects I can see anywhere, or cutting down on casting time even further.
They TRIED to make the mages better, and they did. They just didn't do a good enough job so they still drop off late/post-game and are still the worst party members. It sucks when you consider how good the mages in some of the later games are like SO4 and SO6.
Ravenous fiend is incredible both for damage and shield breaking
Noel's advantage is he's able to wear bloody armor, plus he's a male character that can heal so if you're gonna make maximum use of Welch, he's a fairly useful party member
I will still always choose Ashton over Opera and Ernest because he is the best character personality-wise. He is so iconic, I can't imagine this game without him.
The song that he sings in the middle of town was hilarious. Definitely made me happy I recruited him.
iconic? xD the barrel fetish man... heheheh
I like Ashton, hell, he's prolly the second best character in the game.....but opera/ernest are better in basically every conceivable way, being an advanced race it adds more to claude's story, opera is the only real fighter/healer, you can steal 2 battle suits off ernest, I actually have a hard time justifying an ashton play through on rena's scenario cus if you do you get no battle suits until the cave of trials, which means Rena is gonna have to rely on mage armor and no.....just no.
@@chrisdavey5530I happily take Ashton on a Rena playthrough. Opera and Ernest are better suited to clauds story, and Ashton is the most fun fighter to play. His character is also interesting. The missions to exercise the dragon, and cure the little girl are heartwarming. And his bad luck is amusing.
@@lostnumbr yep in exchange you wont get any battle suits, you havent done the optional dungeon have you?
How precis throw the force field it’s how I beat the ethereal queen, that coupled with her best weapon with mp drain
Seeing this video really makes me wish we had a modding API for this game so we can have a small modding community around it. There are SO many tweaks I would love to make to this game:
• Buff some of the mid/late-game mage gear so mages don't become bench warmers
• Tweak Arts and Spells to help re-balance some characters
• Give most enemies and bosses 2-5x the HP and tweak their other stats and skill sets, considering how short and easy most of the boss battles are
• Cap Forged Medals to only work up to level 50 and make the Magical Camera and Magical Film unavailable on Expel so as to prevent breaking the game so early on
• Change half of the Factors to make them more appealing and add more Factors
• Make the "Ultra" raid battles respawnable, and even make Ultra enemies spawn randomly into normal battles after beating them in Chaos Mode
• Change some character dialogue and item names to be more true to the JP version, especially as someone who plays with the SO2SE JP voices
• Add some new events, PAs and dialogue to better flesh out the recruitable characters, and even base some of them off the manga and 4-Panel Comic Theaters
• Get rid of Celene's heart tattoo and change her eye color to be more consistent with her original version
• Add Mayumi Azuma portraits as an option in the Status menu
• Add PSX English and JP voice options for combat
• Add the Voice Collection and Character Graphics Collection into the Database in-game menu
• Change some of the item images to make some of them more unique
• Add more craftable items, especially for equipment, making a few "side-grade" options for mid/late-game to allow for different builds
• More
So glad Welch got her flowers 💐
Please tell me Ashton at least still likes barrels
I feel like this review relies too much on the original. the lack of breaking, assault actions and still sticking with moves that were more so good in the original. Mages are the same but more, creating openings, more DMG from the original, and can be used to break. each one specializes in something different. Mages do have the benefit of being in the back and in duo bosses can hold their own if controlled using the parry.
Claude: Top tier)- an above average fighter with a good gear pool that stays consistently strong. His big weakness is his lack of breaking abilities and surprisingly meteor palm is sort of his go to moves.
Rena Mid)- your healing mage specialist. healing and support is what she does at the detriment of just about everything else. If not focusing 100% on support she can add breaking with her crush attacks. Her saving grace are all of her support, especially used in assault action.
Celine: Mid)- A AOE mage who is the other side of the coin to Noelle. offensive in nature and a late bloomer, her real stand out is how early you can get her and freeing up another support spell for rena to use in the assault action. Southern cross is a decent DMG and breaking tool.
Ashton: Low): Ashton real usage was his great normal attacks which were nerf to oblivion to be like everyone's else. piercing blade is good at breaking up close and hurricane slash was buffed but he really is lacking everything.
Dias: Mid)- Dias has went from a power house and turned into a break type character. He does regain his DMG in the form of his strongest weapon. Still surprising most skip on his breaking potential.
Chisato Mid)- This character was nerfed into the ground making her a more of a break type. leaving you with burning cards for excellent breaking and flamethrower and 100k volts.🥲
Leon Mid)- you're pure offensive mage that tries to reach the height of Melee counterparts. not much to really say.
Bowman High Mid)- A bit better with the remake as they fixed his moves and his ultimate weapon makes him a tank but past that not much to really say. Con it comes at the expense of Precis.
Precis God tier)- Not only was she an excellent zoner to begin with but they decided to just toss you a weapon that just says we wanted her to be the best.
Welch #1) Outside of a slower breaking move She Excels at everything a Melee fighter has with DMG you can't even compare to. So unbelievable strong she doesn't even need to meet her weapons condition.
Noel Mid)- The other side of the coin for Celine. He comes with healing spells and a surprisingly great breaker of tetanus winds. trading offense for helping out the team on field.
Ernest God)- They really fixed every single one of his moves. A strong mid range fighter that climb from the bottom to the top. His accuracy is a Boon on harder difficulties. broken heart/ BED OF ROSES! for dmg and thousand tails for insane breaking of shields.
Opera Top)- The main thing keeping Opera from the Top is her awful stats and weapon selection.She comes out more as a utility fighter. Her healing star can be all the healing you need but with factors now for hp drain it can be less useful. Gravitational sphere is a nice break skill and better yet it groups. and like all mid-long range fighter she has the great pro of not being in the thick of danger all the time. honestly a good portion of her skills are unoteworthy with hyperlauncher having RNG and little ending lag. With Assault freeing up character she comes out well being you're Battle mage (with a gun).
Mages aren't that bad. You can cut spells off and the ai wouldn't use them but you could manually. I always gave them bunny shoes and that helps.
Opera didn't suddenly become better than Rena in the remake with Healing Star - it was the same in the original as well. Found it confusing you'd word it this way, feels like maybe you didn't play the original?
I think a bigger reason Rena fell even further in SO2R (and honestly, all healers) was the addition of Remaking and Equipment Factors. If you're willing to spend a little bit of time (and fol), you can make characters that keep themselves alive simply by dealing damage (and taking none, other than a slow hp drain that they just need to deal damage to overcome). Once you get to that point, healing characters are useless.
Healing Star is still better due to bloody armors Rena's only crap even on the PS1/PSP games as soon as Opera has it at 999 uses BUT on the R version you actually NEED to have Opera with 9999 HP for it to restore at least 5000 HP.
Wow, I've completely forgotten about my request for this list. Course that was before I knew about the Remaster. So glad you held off until the remaster came out
Man needed this a week earlier! I started the game like 2 weeks ago and made horrendous party decisions without your help lol
Sorry my friend!
Celine in the PS2 version was OP in that she could use the Iron Earring, which saved me in the post game dungeon
I would put Rena up at mid tier, actually, alongside Bowman. Rena is very good as a healer with some magics, and she is one of two practical battle-healers. I do wish she got some killer arts, but…
My favorites to control myself atm are,
Noel, Ashe and Dias
I havent used Bowman, Chisato, Ernest or Opera yet, as im on my first playthrough.
In the end. The best team is the team you like the most ☺️
Chisato is amazing if you get 4 pieces of equipment. The claws you get from puffy that heal you when you do damage. Bloody armor, earrings that raise your attack by 30 percent, and the bracelet that adds 2 extra attacks to your normals. Don't use any special moves and she solos everything and is invincible.
Or better if its possible have Chisato with that same HP drain effect on a 100% HIT rate weapon give her those Earrings that give out a 200% Str boost but DECREASE her hit rate by 50% which won't actually decrease her HIT with a 100% HIT HP drain weapon to use with bloody armors that way she can still do 9999 + damage per hit else the Phantom Slayer weapon from Puffy may possibly not do 9999 per hit WITHOUT using 100,000 K Volts/Tear gas.
That Bloody Armor invincibility strat works for pretty much any character outside of Chisato. That doesn't make Chisato uniquely amazing. And a healing weapon can be made for all characters as long as you're willing to tinker around with IC system RNG for a while.
Bloody Armor with the right setup makes all characters God tier.
Its just that Ashton Noel Welch are still pure CRAP WITH IT equipped since Healing weapons are NOT reliable to make 100% of the time your better off NOT making any and just 5000+ HP restore by spamming Healing Star with Opera and still bloody armor Claude Dias Opera Bowman/Chisato for the entire game.
As for instant kills the Algol Shield for Chisato STILL works IF you bloody armor her.
@@veghesther3204 "Not reliable to make 100% of the time"?
Save scumming is a thing in SO2R, you know. That much mean that healing weapons are reliable to make for any character as long as you're willing to invest a little bit of time reloading.
Sure you could save but with Healing Star EASILY usable in this version and it doesn't even need 999 uses to restores 5000+ HP I'd rather do that then SET HP drain TO 100% HIT rate weapons.
The ONLY 100% way to NOT rely on RNG is via the ONLY HP drain weapon in the ENTIRE game and BOTH Phantom Slayers are ONLY gotten in the POST game dungeon both BOTH Chisato and Bowman can equip it.
I feel that Chisato got nerfed a lot from the previous games. On the other hand, Precis and Welch got huge buffs.
Thanks for the list. Welsh wasn't in the og. So i haven't given her a chance yet. Ill use her now
I end up disagreeing. The mages arent shit tier in this game solely for the reason of break dmg cap and AA. Leon especially once he learns Extinction because he will do massive damage when his AA is ready, and its non-elemental. It usually hits the dmg cap as well for me.
Rena is the only maybe sh*t tier imo, because you dont need to rely on her healing thanks to via Remake factors. She then is ends up as solely support because she has no good offensive spells. Celine is better than her imo because Celine also has Angel Feather and has better offensive magic. Just my take.
The thing about Opera was that her role was KINDA redundant now with HP and MP drain factor from Weapon. Plus, Claude could easily replace her job with Sword of Life since it now became Tales of Vesperia Guardian Field (fast AND damage around you.) I would bump up Claude to God Tier and move Opera down to 5th. Best DPS team rn imo are Claude, Welch, Ernest and Precis. Most of the time all of your fighters are within the range of Sword of Life anyway and his Meteor Palm and Normal Atks. Slap a HIT+20% factor and Gathering Stars on one of his accessory and you are good to go. Claude is the earliest character to tackle Raid bosses as low as Lv 40 with Bloody Armor and Sword of Life in Universe.
LV 40 is too weak to NOT have to spam Sword of Life EVERY 1 to 2 seconds with the Bloody armor since lv 40 is too low you need a MINIMUM of 7000 HP AND the Marvel sword equipped for the ENTIRE game.
But due to 100% RNG for HP/MP drain weapons your better off using NEITHER effect and still Bloody armor a lv 100+ Claude Opera Chisato Dias/Bowman party immediately.
Meteor Palm is CRAP it will never out HIT Mirror Blade for total number of hits.
@@veghesther3204 Idiot, I broke the game as soon as I got Celine. I killed the Raid Golem and the Raid Assassin At Lv 40 thanks to the factors trick (use failed armor or boosts or weapon that has Masterwork and then duplicate that shit.) Marvel Sword was a given. There are so many accessory and way to obtain the materials that boost HP that you could pretty much got 7000+HP by that Lv.
By the end of Mirror Blade, I got 3 Meteor Palm out already and BTW, your Bloody Armor tricks are useless against Raid Gabriel anyway. Bloody Equipment disable. LOL
Don't cross Welch, you'll regret it!
TAKE THAT! AND THAT! AND THAT!
I'm still astonished at how easily she melts enemy health. Forget Star Ocean, Welch is one of the most broken RPG characters.
This was the most entertaining bonus list ever! 10/10 wife reactions!
@@fd5934 haha we did this at like 7 in the morning before I went to work.
Well, it was fantastic and you got to get a cool dose of, as your wife put it, so much boob of the day, so it all worked out
While I didn't like a lot of the changes the remake did, being able to use phase gun fulfilled a childhood fantasy
What game is that a 0:04 ?
snowbreak
Hahaha!!! Her reaction to the bonus round!!! Wth
Haha caught her off guard for sure.
I dont know R like I do the OG ps1 version but here goes
Top Tier: Claude/Ashton/Chisato Like most SOs the main character Claude is the best, Ashton with the right set up can stun lock anything and Chisato has the best speed, tear gas has huge hits and whirlwind has one of the highest priorities in the game
Healer Tier: Opera/Rena you need a healer in this game, you can either have rena do it full time or opera do it part time
Middle Tier: Opera (sans healing)/Bowman/Dias/Precis basically the rest of the fighters, Dias should be better imo
Bottom Tier: Ernest/Mages Really the only good thing about ernest is he's not a mage and you can steal 2 battle suits off him (which actually makes him worth it easily) and the mages are ass in og SO2, its ruins the flow of combat, they'll never spam as much damage as the fighter, etc.
Noel Tier: Noel he's supposed to be a jack of all trades, but doesnt have killer moves so he cant fight, doesnt have a high enough magic stat to cast/heal and doesnt have access to the really good spells.
I think with the update that gave Precis a new ultimate weapon, she is probably the best in the end game.
I was wondering what kind of rebalancing they may have done for the title, but I wasn't expecting Ernest and Bowman to have useful aspects this time around since they used to largely be considered the worse fighter characters in the original. Poor Ashton, though. Used to be considered among the top four and sometimes top two.
Precis rules
3:48 that is 100 (one hundred) K volt, not 10 K 😉
That's it, I'm taking it down.
ayyy whats the 2nd game after the stellar blade intro...
Not sure, it’s from the honkai verse so one of those Genshin Impact clones.
@@locloudanerpg Ma man. Useless gacha games with some solid character designs.
@@luvlybalugaPretty much. I probably shouldn't put games in the intro I know nothing about haha...
@@locloudanerpg naw it's good. Some other comrades will know the answer.
I didn't like controlling Rena so I switch over to claude as my main for battles. I picked Rena because of Dias.
Ernest does more damage than Dias at all stages of the game. Bed of Roses can hit anywhere on the battlefield and hits a ton of times for stupid damage and Thousand Tails is one of the best breaking tools in the game. I can agree with Precis and Welch being higher but as a solo character, Ernest is better than Opera and as a party character she has the heal over him. Opera is otherwise very slow and her attacks have a lot of startup. Ernest's normals come out stupid fast and chain into his skill very nicely.
Noel should be go to low tier, at really late game, he have a better normal attack compared to other spell caster with a proper equipment
Ashton is best boi
I have been sleeping on Welch, apparently
Also your wifes reactions are very funny 😂
Haha she "loves" being featured in my videos.
Opera is basically Shionne, but not as fun to play. Props to you for crediting other Tubers man.
Pass it on brother.
i was about to make the exact comment
Welch is God Tier?! When I first got her I was not impressed. I may have to give her another chance
It's good Ernest isn't super bad like in the original, but Ashton was always a lesser Claude/Leon. I still rate mages: Celine>Leon>Noel due to availability, when she joins, and how Southern Cross is an great Assault Action (Leon's Ravenous Fiend is solid too). Your 8th character is pretty much between Noel/Chisato, and like hell will I pick Noel over Chisato's Tear Gas and Crit potential, lol.
Also, I just realized I called Ashton a "lesser Claude/Leon", when I meant to say "lesser Claude/Dias", so...oops, lol.
Nobody's ever going to agree with everything on a tier list, but with that said I definitely have to disagree off the bat. Let me start by saying that I would put characters in tiers from S to C, that is, really any combination works to beat the game, although I think 4 casters would be a pretty miserable time.
You've put Celine in the garbage, which is debatable from a combat perspective, but absolutely ridiculous if you look at what she gets you. She exists so early that even meager combat performance helps, and acts as another body that can earn SP for Super Specialties at the absolute worst. In terms of skills, Celine comes with Crafting and Alchemy pre-learned, making her a great Writer, and she has pretty strong odds to both start with and learn Wild Instinct as well, making her great for Scouting. Even though she stops meaningfully contributing in combat once you get rolling, she gets you rolling faster. Long after she's fallen off, she learns Angel Feather, and suddenly, she's a free boost to all of your team's stats while sitting on the bench. Not taking Celine actively hurts the player's options so much more than missing anyone else (especially since she doesn't cost you anything), it's just wrong to call her garbage.
In terms of combat performance, you're pretty much correct about all the mages. The gap between them and the fighters is so large that it can't be denied or mitigated, and personally I would stick them all in the "Assault" Tier and be done with it. In regard to Rena, she isn't bad now because of Healing Star (which already existed on PSX), Claude and Bowman's self-heal moves were also massively buffed to be able to heal others, and the existence of the Assault Formation means you don't often need to dedicate a frontline spot to recovery even IF you need help living.
Chisato, pretty correct, although her biggest flaw is that her weapons have such low ATK (finally in the 1.1 update she gets one that's competitive).
Ashton, sadly true, he's fallen from grace with multi-star spray being nerfed and elemental attacks often hurting you. I don't think his accuracy is an issue, he's actually got some high quality weapons, but the fact that nearly all of his arts are so slow certainly is. If you can get over the giant pit that is his endgame to mid-post game performance he suddenly gets relevant again because the Maze swords are broken (now in 1.1 the pit has mercifully been shrank).
Bowman and Ernest are pretty accurate, both are substantially improved by their 1.1 weapons as well. One thing about Ernest is that Bed of Roses doesn't ever require him to move, which keeps him very safe, and his ultimate weapon's thorns will automatically switch targets making him the best mob sweeper.
Claude is who I would argue is the best character in the game. He gets some of the best moves in the game shockingly early, has the best equipment pool, and even crafts all the best stuff too. It's not like you can avoid recruiting him, but he's good at all stages and actually gets even stronger in postgame with the Levantine. I'm not sure how you're running into accuracy problems, but the Sword of Marvels makes him unblockable if you really needed that. He really can just solo the game if you want.
With Dias, I'm sad not to hear anything about Full Moon Slash, which is probably the best Break art in the game. Out of the box, Dias is like Bowman, but safer and with better weapons (notably, you can actually get his ultimate weapon before you even have him - although if you do that, you probably won't be needing it). I'd actually put him as second place overall just because it's so easy to get use out of him. If only he joined earlier...
Precis is indeed very strong, her ultimate weapon is crazy, and Forcefield means she doesn't even need to move, however, I would be remiss if I did not mention that Precis does have a flaw - unlike every other fighter she can't equip Bloody gear. Usually this won't matter too much, but it does affect her more significantly in solo situations. She also really guzzles MP if you try to use her better moves early, as a minor complaint.
Opera I find constantly being overrated. Everyone loves Healing Star, but the truth is that you don't really need it. Like I mentioned above with Rena, there are plenty of ways to heal without a healer on the frontline. Her AI isn't even good with Healing Star... When I was playing Chaos Mode, I had her in Bloody Armor alongside everyone else in Bloody Helmets (because I didn't feel like Remaking her placeholder weapon for MP Drain at the time) and she let herself die multiple times - apparently she won't use it if she's the only one who needs healing? Speaking of weapons, Opera's are terrible in terms of power (even worse than Chisato) and she lacks Chisato's accuracy as well. Seriously, before 1.1, her best weapon was 1450 ATK with 0 HIT (thank the Lord 1.1 improves it). She ALSO suffers from Hyperlauncher and Gravitational Sphere being elemental attacks (and expensive), at least the latter of which *is* really good for Breaking. Breaking is her most useful aspect in my opinion, that, and she allows you to get Ernest.
Welch is definitely broken, but she's not quite as broken as she sounds here, Fully optimized, she'd be doing at best 50% more than Precis and Claude. She's only slightly superior in a party that's not 3 males (which is worth it because it means you get to use Precis). The real reason she's broken is actually the 1 male effect where her attacks can't miss (Ernest gets a similar property in 1.1). This means she's totally free to use the Earring of Frenzy to cap out her ATK AND she gets to use her accessory Factors on something other than HIT - like Full Bonus, which boosts the entire party's performance, Morale Booster, Loving Care, Item Master, or even just Break Up.
Update regarding Opera: It seems that her enhanced ultimate weapon gets crazy with extra hits. It shoots a homing shot at every enemy on the field whenever she does any attack, however that shot is also affected by the +attack hits effect (at least, when spawned from normal attacks), meaning that it actually gives her 3 attacks per swing + 3 *more* hits per swing on every enemy on the field *and* the homing shots do more damage than her base hit does.
This might honestly be a glitch, but it's the perfect storm to elevate her to the upper echelons of power. She does still have an accuracy issue if you're using the Earring of Frenzy, and of course you need to be in post game to even use this strategy, but it looks like the Ring of Lightspeed (and later the Winged Bracelet) is a tremendous boost to her now. The really sad news is that the Winged Bracelet was the only thing that was keeping Ashton's name in the books; with this discovery, you'd take Opera every time for combat purposes.
This game visuals melt my eyes.
I'm glad they boosted up my boi Diaz but I'm sad they wrecked Ashton. 😢
tier list for FF16 eikons!
Waiting until all DLCs are released!
Look at what they did to my boy Ashton😢
>Starts game as Claude
>Builds entire harem of female companions, no males
>Most of them are trash but still beats game on the highest difficulty
Why did I gimp myself with the cutest girls? :(
Because you’re not the hero UA-cam needs, but the hero we deserve.
@@locloudanerpg Is Universe the highest difficulty? Also had no idea that Celine and Chisato were arguably the worst but at the same time I probably didn't build Precis or Opera properly either, same goes for Welch.
Though I will say the one nerf for me was the inability to spam Claude's leaping slash maneuver, whatever it's called in this day and age. I remember on the PS1 that move carrying me through the entire game with how it seemingly gave him I-frames the entire battle.
0.05 who is she what game is that??
I just sit everyone out and solo the game with claude.
Same as the others so Celine Ashton Precis Noel Leon Welch IMHO are still CRAP and are still NEVER going to be in my party while I'll still Bloody armor a LV 100+ Claude OPERA Bowman Dias Chisato party and ONLY Claude Opera and Bowman can SOLO bosses by default with bloody armors since their the only ones with Self Healing moves.
Finally!!!
your wife seems a little jealous :)
Nah, these chicks got nothing on her.
Dude you clearly have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to this game.
be prepared! worst to best
Noel, DIAS, Leon,Celin,Rena,Ashton,Bowman,Chisato,Ernest,Welch,Precis,Claud,OPera
yes. DIAS SUCKS SO FUCKING HARD!! he has airslash.. that is it!! his normal attack is useless!
he is so bad not even assault can save him because ALL of this specials suck!! they are even worse in the assault slot!!
mages do at least one time AOE damage. DIas has to spam airslash otherwise it is worthless.
and what the F did they do to mirror blade. completely useless although very cool looking! and ashton has a god awefull voice!
besides that. This remake is astonishing!! a dream come true. just wish they would have balanced it better.
Dias is far from Crap in fact Air Slash is ALL he needs + Bloody armor him + 100% hit rate him + Beserk ring and Ring of Might him and he will still do 9999+ damage per hit and NEVER DIE.
Dias is awesome. Air Slash is literally the only move he needs, and his ultimate weapon has a 100% critical hit, Break or not. That's pretty awesome too. Very useful character for post-game.
Add in bloody armoring HIM Claude Opera and Bowman/Dias is all you need Ashton Noel Welch are still Crap WITH blood armors and Precis Celine can't even equip it and Healing Star STILL makes Rena worthless.
@@veghesther3204if a characters Meta build in the end/post game is OP the character is good? i dont see it like that.
the game is more than the post game. every character is OP with the ultimate equipment.
bowman gets shit for spaming explosion pills but spaming airslash with dias is awesome?....wtf?
To be fair some enemies absorb fire damage so even WITH a bloody armor on Bowman never use Explosion pills are fire immune enemies but IMHO Celine Ashton Precis Noel Leon Welch are pure crap not just for the post game but they still all suck as soon as they FIRST join the party and NEVER are so I'll still ditch the useless Celine by NOT having her join after you exit Cross Cave but NOT before Lving up Claude/Rena TO lv 100 in this R version on the Lasguss mountains.
But Ashton Precis Leon Welch will NEVER join my party ever and for the Hoffman ruins I'll bloody armor a LV 100+ Claude Opera Bowman party and NEVER use Leon in battles their.