And thank you dr Alli...you have just strengthened my imaan a little tighter ..I am a revert and it is brilliant to accumulate as much knowledge as possible to back up when necessary...thank you
Tafheem ul Quran Surah 3 Ali 'Imran, Ayat 59-59 اِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيۡسٰى عِنۡدَ اللّٰهِ كَمَثَلِ اٰدَمَؕ خَلَقَهٗ مِنۡ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهٗ كُنۡ فَيَكُوۡنُ ﴿3:59﴾ (3:59) Surely, in the sight of Allah, the similitude of the creation of Jesus is as the creation of Adam whom He created out of dust, and then said: 'Be', and he was.53 Notes 53. This means that if Jesus' miraculous birth is sufficient proof that he should be regarded either as God or as the son of God then there are even stronger grounds to apply this to Adam. For, while Jesus was born without a father, Adam was born with neither father nor mother.
Bukhari, the reason for the final collection of the Quran was a dispute between Muslim forces from Iraq and Syria over the correct way of reciting it during communal prayers while on an expedition to Armenia and Azerbaijan.[citation needed] It is believed that the general Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman reported this problem to the caliph and asked him to establish a unified text. According to the history of al-Tabari, during the expedition there were 10,000 Kufan warriors, 6,000 in Azerbaijan and 4,000 at Rayy.[51] A large number of soldiers disagreeing about the correct way of reciting the Quran may have caused Hudhayfah to promote a unified text. An example of the confusion at this time is seen during a campaign in Tabaristan, where one of the soldiers asked Hudhayfah, "How did the Messenger of God pray?" Hudhayfah told him the soldier prayed before fighting.[52] It is believed upon Hudhayfah's request Uthman obtained the sheets of the Quran from Ḥafṣa and appointed a commission consisting of Zayd and three prominent Meccans, and instructed them to copy the sheets into several volumes based on the dialect of Quraysh, the main tribe of Mecca.[53] The story including Uthman's reaction is recorded in the following: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to Uthman. Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, Abdullah bin Az Zubair, Said bin Al-As and Abdur Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Quran was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Zayd bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Quran and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. [That verse was]: 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'"[Quran 33:23] [54][55] When the task was finished Uthman kept one copy in Medina and sent others to Kufa, Baṣra, Damascus, and, according to some accounts, Mecca, and ordered that all other variant copies of the Quran be destroyed. This was done everywhere except in Kufa, where some scholars argue that Ibn Masʿūd and his followers refused.[53] The above quoted hadith refers to the manuscripts of the Quran compiled during the time of Caliph Abu Bakr, which were inherited by Caliph Umar's daughter Hafsa, a wife of Muhammad, and then returned to her, as promised. Sean Anthony and Catherine Bronson note that "Zuhrī-the earliest known scholar to emphasize the importance of Ḥafṣah’s codex for the collection of the caliph ʿUthmān’s recension-also serves as the authority for the accounts of the destruction of Ḥafṣah’s scrolls (ṣuḥuf)." After her death, he reported that Hafsa's brother inherited the manuscripts and allowed Uthman or according to some versions, Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan to destroy them.[56] It is generally accepted that the Uthmanic text comprises all 114 suras in the order known today.[48] Beliefs of Shia Muslim about the origins of the Quran may differ in some respects from Sunni beliefs. According to influential Marja' Abu al-Qasim al-Khoei, Uthman's collection of the Quran was metaphorical, not physical. He did not collect the verses and suras in one volume, but in the sense that he united the Muslims on the reading of one authoritative recension. al-Khoei also argues that the one reading on which Uthman united the Muslims was the one in circulation among most Muslims, and that it reached them through uninterrupted transmission from Muhammad.[57] This is one of the most contested issues and an area where many non-Muslim and Muslim scholars often clash.[48
Dr Allie’s thinks and speaks and interprets in human terms. Jesus came in the capacity of a human. He humbled himself. How difficult can that be. It’s short and simple.
I like the moderater they have I understand she has stay out of it as much as possible when they were going back and forth in getting and it was doug turn to answer questions he was differing 65% can't answer it there's two things great questions no Christian can ever answer when you show them changes and differences in all the versions literally not even like one or two things changed in talking about full story's to every detail who was telling telling to how they told it etc makes you really wonder also his words "working concept triology" how can that even makes sense to people
It's sad that the gospel message wasn't mentioned. It was only required for Jesus to become flesh in order to conquer death and pay the ultimate price for sin so we can be saved. Unfortunately they would then get stuck on whether Jesus was really crucified. This debate was a joke. Like politicians talking around the issue.
1:06:17 I’m a Christian and I think it’s at this point the Christian argument fell apart. Jesus Christ yes was human, but always, was, and always will be God. Even when he came down as Jesus, he was definitely God and all knowing. I think that’s why I think someone in the Catholic Church or a bishop that’s used to going to Christian counsel performed this debate. A lot of errors or weak rebuttals from the Christian perspective. All due respect to prof but it’s like a student battling a teacher.
JESUS IS PROPHET ISA.😊 PROPHET ISA IS JESUS.😊 THE SAME MAN BUT WITH TWO DIFFERENT STORIES FROM TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS..?🧐 ONE IS FROM ALLAH THE TRUE GOD.😊 THE OTHER ONE IS FROM GOD TOO..?🤔
I hope Mr. Shabir Ally studies Near Death Experiences... people who died and saw heaven and hell, then the Scriptures would make more sense... They have hundreds of videos about Near Death Experiences(NDE) on you tube...
LOL if jesus who had a mother is lord...then adam who never had a mother is a super lord? jesus is not lord. Lord is one . The creator the provider, the nourisher, the cherisher , he has supreme control of everything
Hahahaha that's so funny God is tired and he is sweating he needs to sleep lol come on guys . Do you guys Ignor What God says in the Bible Isaiah 43:11 King James Version I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
If you sayJesus god or God, He will have to fight with only one God of Jews and Muslims for the chair of God. Besides, pagan religions of past and present had, now dead?And have now millions of gods with whom god or God will have to fight for the chair.If you say, Jesus is son of God,still he will have to fight with other sons of pagan gods. If you say, sonship is metaphorically,then billions of men and women are all children .
Why is this debatable , the Bible was written by witnesses of Jesus Christ himself …… the Quran is written 150 years later after Mohammed death . So why is this debatable.
🤓 Iron sharpens Iron Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened Who is He ? Choose you this day whom you SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇 oseph and Mary Easy to Understand Blood Line Point where Blood lines touch GOD Abraham Abraham David David (Parental ) ( Maternal ) Line Line Solomon👈🏽brothers👉🏽Nathan 100% Inter marriage Shealtiel Shealtiel Zerubbabel Zerubbabel Sons of Zerubbabel’s Abiud 👈🏽 👉🏽 Rhesa Son in law to 👉🏽Heli Joseph 👈🏽 Virgin Mary Seed! Jesus was born ! Holy Sprit provided the Male Side BY GOD Short Version Blood line of JESUS Basic Guidelines Mary does have Joseph blood Through her relationship as family. God Provided male Side Want to see the Blood of your Messiah 😳 UA-cam : Ron Wyatt Ark of the Covenant
It's crystal clear, there is no contradictions in islam ...
And thank you dr Alli...you have just strengthened my imaan a little tighter ..I am a revert and it is brilliant to accumulate as much knowledge as possible to back up when necessary...thank you
Oh Jesus this man Sabir Ali is the most down to earth and very humble muslim I know. Kudos to both debators
They both deserve additional wisdom from the almighty God
God bless both debators ❤❤❤
This debate is so respectful and so class
I love how both the speakers are respecting each other. It's one of the best debates on the internet in that way.
Allahu-akbar
Shabir Ally is really gifted
Love you Dr Shabir Ali❤
What a contradiction in everything a man a son of man and a God if he is human he is limited in everything so he can't be God
To both speakers thank you for this civilized debate. May Allah bring to our planet earth peace, tranquility and prosperity.
What a great debate!
There is always a but. "We believe in one God, but...
The debate will be so nice and good ❤❤❤
Great moderation by the host
mannnn Douglas made absolutely no sense and couldn’t answer anything 😬
Praise the lord Amen
well presented certain crystal clear dr shabir ally.
Tafheem ul Quran
Surah 3 Ali 'Imran, Ayat 59-59
اِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيۡسٰى عِنۡدَ اللّٰهِ كَمَثَلِ اٰدَمَؕ خَلَقَهٗ مِنۡ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهٗ كُنۡ فَيَكُوۡنُ ﴿3:59﴾
(3:59) Surely, in the sight of Allah, the similitude of the creation of Jesus is as the creation of Adam whom He created out of dust, and then said: 'Be', and he was.53
Notes
53. This means that if Jesus' miraculous birth is sufficient proof that he should be regarded either as God or as the son of God then there are even stronger grounds to apply this to Adam. For, while Jesus was born without a father, Adam was born with neither father nor mother.
Most confusing thing in Christian is trinity
Mashallah Doctor Alie
Wow, this is just too special.
Very thankyou
My gratitude generally in human around the earth 🌎 is that, the truth having betold by debating
Whoever say jesus is god are committing the worst mistake.allah cant have son he is perfect.how can you put god to human standard
Moderator is brilliant
We all love ❤️ Islam ☪️ I mean all humanity believe me but they are lost like me personally !
Jesus said, I am
1:19:58 cant swallow this dude
Shabir W
Douglas L
In the book of Mark, the phrase "Son of God" is mentioned 5 times.
In the book of John, the phrase "Son of God" is mentioned 10 times.
Jesus is nothing more than a man but great prophet (Peace be upon him)
Jacoby is manipulate the history of Jesus christ. If Jesus is God not messiah what about Jesus mother Mary mariama.???
Great experience
Bukhari, the reason for the final collection of the Quran was a dispute between Muslim forces from Iraq and Syria over the correct way of reciting it during communal prayers while on an expedition to Armenia and Azerbaijan.[citation needed]
It is believed that the general Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman reported this problem to the caliph and asked him to establish a unified text. According to the history of al-Tabari, during the expedition there were 10,000 Kufan warriors, 6,000 in Azerbaijan and 4,000 at Rayy.[51] A large number of soldiers disagreeing about the correct way of reciting the Quran may have caused Hudhayfah to promote a unified text. An example of the confusion at this time is seen during a campaign in Tabaristan, where one of the soldiers asked Hudhayfah, "How did the Messenger of God pray?" Hudhayfah told him the soldier prayed before fighting.[52]
It is believed upon Hudhayfah's request Uthman obtained the sheets of the Quran from Ḥafṣa and appointed a commission consisting of Zayd and three prominent Meccans, and instructed them to copy the sheets into several volumes based on the dialect of Quraysh, the main tribe of Mecca.[53]
The story including Uthman's reaction is recorded in the following:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to Uthman. Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, Abdullah bin Az Zubair, Said bin Al-As and Abdur Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Quran was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Zayd bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Quran and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. [That verse was]: 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'"[Quran 33:23] [54][55]
When the task was finished Uthman kept one copy in Medina and sent others to Kufa, Baṣra, Damascus, and, according to some accounts, Mecca, and ordered that all other variant copies of the Quran be destroyed. This was done everywhere except in Kufa, where some scholars argue that Ibn Masʿūd and his followers refused.[53]
The above quoted hadith refers to the manuscripts of the Quran compiled during the time of Caliph Abu Bakr, which were inherited by Caliph Umar's daughter Hafsa, a wife of Muhammad, and then returned to her, as promised. Sean Anthony and Catherine Bronson note that "Zuhrī-the earliest known scholar to emphasize the importance of Ḥafṣah’s codex for the collection of the caliph ʿUthmān’s recension-also serves as the authority for the accounts of the destruction of Ḥafṣah’s scrolls (ṣuḥuf)." After her death, he reported that Hafsa's brother inherited the manuscripts and allowed Uthman or according to some versions, Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan to destroy them.[56]
It is generally accepted that the Uthmanic text comprises all 114 suras in the order known today.[48]
Beliefs of Shia Muslim about the origins of the Quran may differ in some respects from Sunni beliefs. According to influential Marja' Abu al-Qasim al-Khoei, Uthman's collection of the Quran was metaphorical, not physical. He did not collect the verses and suras in one volume, but in the sense that he united the Muslims on the reading of one authoritative recension. al-Khoei also argues that the one reading on which Uthman united the Muslims was the one in circulation among most Muslims, and that it reached them through uninterrupted transmission from Muhammad.[57]
This is one of the most contested issues and an area where many non-Muslim and Muslim scholars often clash.[48
muslim not moslem
Dr Allie’s thinks and speaks and interprets in human terms. Jesus came in the capacity of a human. He humbled himself. How difficult can that be. It’s short and simple.
1 x 1 x 1 = 3 what 😳
debate shabir and cp pls
Mr. Douglas Answers are dosnt make a since at all, plus he keeps going circle or changes the topic
I like the moderater they have I understand she has stay out of it as much as possible when they were going back and forth in getting and it was doug turn to answer questions he was differing 65% can't answer it there's two things great questions no Christian can ever answer when you show them changes and differences in all the versions literally not even like one or two things changed in talking about full story's to every detail who was telling telling to how they told it etc makes you really wonder also his words "working concept triology" how can that even makes sense to people
Little knowledge is dangerous. Becareful
@45:37 Doug has been rendered speechless. He lost.
I belief that Jesus is the power full prophet God create the whole universe but jesus is a human and he come back return end of time
Solidified my Christianity , thank you Jesus
Well father...many Christian's do believe Jesus is a god...thank you for clarifying this for them
Introduction is v long
Wow this Muslim is mad intelligent and he won this even tho he was on the losing side. Douglas got wrecked.
It's like trying to help a little child try and understand an adult conversation.
I’m just as confused as that Douglas chap. When Christians get stuck they run to the Quran as a defence. Then the preaching starts about Gods love.
It's sad that the gospel message wasn't mentioned. It was only required for Jesus to become flesh in order to conquer death and pay the ultimate price for sin so we can be saved. Unfortunately they would then get stuck on whether Jesus was really crucified. This debate was a joke. Like politicians talking around the issue.
1:06:17 I’m a Christian and I think it’s at this point the Christian argument fell apart. Jesus Christ yes was human, but always, was, and always will be God. Even when he came down as Jesus, he was definitely God and all knowing. I think that’s why I think someone in the Catholic Church or a bishop that’s used to going to Christian counsel performed this debate. A lot of errors or weak rebuttals from the Christian perspective. All due respect to prof but it’s like a student battling a teacher.
1+1+1=1😂
JESUS IS PROPHET ISA.😊
PROPHET ISA IS JESUS.😊
THE SAME MAN BUT WITH TWO DIFFERENT STORIES FROM TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS..?🧐
ONE IS FROM ALLAH THE TRUE GOD.😊
THE OTHER ONE IS FROM GOD TOO..?🤔
Douglas--- if father is limited how he can be a good? You are absolutely ridiculous.
I hope Mr. Shabir Ally studies Near Death Experiences... people who died and saw heaven and hell, then the Scriptures would make more sense... They have hundreds of videos about Near Death Experiences(NDE) on you tube...
next time bring Ravi Zacharias
Believe what you believe in, Jesus is Lord
LOL if jesus who had a mother is lord...then adam who never had a mother is a super lord? jesus is not lord.
Lord is one . The creator the provider, the nourisher, the cherisher , he has supreme control of everything
We will see bout that on judgment day
sorry, my humble question, where is he now?
Jesus is our example to a righteous way of life.
Nothing more,nothing less.
Stop creating usless discussions on follies
it is undisputed that JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IS GOD [I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE JESUS = GOD]
Jesuas he is not a god but hi is prophet
Hahahaha that's so funny God is tired and he is sweating he needs to sleep lol come on guys . Do you guys Ignor What God says in the Bible
Isaiah 43:11
King James Version
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
If you sayJesus god or God, He will have to fight with only one God of Jews and Muslims for the chair of God. Besides, pagan religions of past and present had, now dead?And have now millions of gods with whom god or God will have to fight for the chair.If you say, Jesus is son of God,still he will have to fight with other sons of pagan gods. If you say, sonship is metaphorically,then billions of men and women are all children
.
Why is this debatable , the Bible was written by witnesses of Jesus Christ himself …… the Quran is written 150 years later after Mohammed death .
So why is this debatable.
Boring introduction. 😴
Christianity is all we need ❤
Jesus is God on earth. Trinity.
Jesus is only Lord.muslim should accept Jesus as his saviour.amen
🤓 Iron sharpens Iron
Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jew as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later be fore it HAPPENED only God
Ten Trillion people could not gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened
Who is He ?
Choose you this day whom you
SERVE 🤔✝️😇😇
oseph and Mary
Easy to Understand Blood Line
Point where Blood lines touch
GOD
Abraham Abraham
David David
(Parental ) ( Maternal )
Line Line
Solomon👈🏽brothers👉🏽Nathan
100%
Inter marriage
Shealtiel Shealtiel
Zerubbabel Zerubbabel
Sons of
Zerubbabel’s
Abiud 👈🏽 👉🏽 Rhesa
Son in law to 👉🏽Heli
Joseph 👈🏽 Virgin Mary
Seed!
Jesus was born !
Holy Sprit provided the Male
Side BY GOD
Short Version
Blood line of JESUS
Basic Guidelines
Mary does have Joseph blood
Through her relationship as family.
God Provided male Side
Want to see the Blood of your Messiah 😳
UA-cam : Ron Wyatt
Ark of the Covenant