I don't know if you have the technology to do this, but the things you're demonstrating would be much easier to follow if you had notation on the screen to aid the listener. The ideas are helpful, but just very difficult to follow.
I’ve been watching your videos and more or less your videos alone and I’m seeing sooo much improvement in myself. Even tho only using cajon and djembe, been on them for 5 years, about to get a drum set. I’m excited. Thank you man !
That's awesome i'm 28 and have been playing drums on/off for the last 5 years. But, feel like I haven't been making too much progress. Took a year off when I got out of a relationship. Just started getting back into practicing and playing the drum kit again. Looking to improve my overall time, flow, and groove. Thanks for these videos!
This is gold! Funny thing: I had my own difficulties in stabilising the distance between those two notes on the bass drum you show at the end until I've realised that... the second one needs to be on the down beat! I was so preoccupied with playing the double it would come out haphazardly at random places. Once you lock the second one on the downbeat the first just lines itself up in the right place
5:10 Playing the bass against an off-beat metronome forces me to own the One - especially riffs where the One had a rest. These tips will take that to the next level. Thanks!
Great vid. Timing is the crux for a lot of musicians across the board, a lot don't even know it. Also keep meaning to comment on how amazingly Dilla-esque your intro is (you took on your own tips well didn't you lol) then I heard the Roni Size style breaks and bass in the outro and I just had to comment, wicked loops mate.
The part around 6 minutes in when you talk about playing to the metronomes off beats.....That is a brilliant idea Mate! I never really use my metronome because I feel like I am trying to "play along" with it! Using it your way forces you to hear all of its clicks rather than make them disappear! So much easierish….lol! Thank you!
I need to get a new metronome. It’s usually pretty solid but while I was trying these exercises it was all over the place! Speeding up and slowing down, doesn’t make it easy! 😂 Awesome video, very helpful, thanks a lot! My playing was rushing and dragging exactly as you said it would in the first couple. I love finding problems in my playing so I can address them. Luckily there’s no shortage of them.
I'm a huge advocate for playing to tunes and playing to the timing of tunes, but regardless whether it's the click or a song recorded to a click, it's all about practicing the subtle art of staying in time as it is a seperate skill itself and THE most important one.
Really appreciate the clarity of your lessons, insight, and ideas. Quick question... Is there a specific reason why you use nylon tips in your videos? Do you always use them in practice, in practice and gigs, or do you ever use wood? Just curious to know if there is a particular reason for them in your practicing.
Great subject. There are some musicians who feel that working out with a metronome isn't musically organic enough. Granted, you're not going to generally have a metronome to follow on a gig and the time will naturally expand and contract when playing live, but a musician needs to intimately know what it feels like to maintain rhythms and grooves in a consistent tempo. They need something that is going to "tell them" that they have a tendency to rush at "this time" or drag at "this time", so they can consciously adjust their perception/action modes. As you alluded, doing this often enough becomes second nature and a normal part of how they play. All musicians and singers need to do this, not just drummers or bassists. Everyone is responsible for nurturing and maintaining their sense of "good" timekeeping. It will enhance everything you do including your appreciation for and enjoyment of the music!
@@8020drummer Wait, as Chris (and Til Til) says, _not_ hearing the click is probably the most valuable clue you are on track. Please, don't alter that in sound editing. (OTOH, adding some _visual-only_ clue could still be a good idea.) Great video again, BTW!
Great content as always Nate. I little concept I teach that can be expanded to any figure (16ths off beats for example) is to simply play everything in 16th upbeats, for example Stick Control (pages 5,6 and 7). Counting or singing the pulse is a must to really solidify the figure, and having the metronome on 8th notes forces them to create a steady flow of 16ths between the metronome and what they play. For the advanced students, I have them play a basic 8th note HH, 2+4 snare 1+3 bass drum groove displaced by a 16th, so that all the notes become 16th upbeats. First just counting quarter notes, then singing all the different permutations of 16th notes, reading from any 16th note based material (like the "melodies" on the New Breed) and finally just singing melodies, bass lines, guitar or keyboard riffs, etc. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Nate, keep it up!
I think this is a quite old vid, isn't it? Might be a really good one to remake. I'd really like a better explanation for the beat placement, with the mistakes! (8th note 16th note confusion). You could include the suggestion to mix the metronome and drums in post production so we can hear what is going on...
NIce vid. I've been focusing on my time lately. In particular, i've noticed that my time needs improvement: around fills, at section transitions (chorus, to bridge, etc), during solo sections, and even counting the band into a song. Setting the click to once a bar and offbeat 8th and 16ths has been revolutionary both on the pad and on the kit. I look forward to incorporating these exercises.
Thanks! It's not exactly that they "force" us to play quicker or slower, more that, if we don't train our ears, they "sound normal" to us when we're playing, even when, to others, they're clearly rushing or dragging
Great video. EVERY drummer should know this! I have been practicing with the metronome on offbeats for the past couple years, but only when doing rudimental/snare only stuff. It also helps you to escape the 'micro timing cheating' that many drummers are prone to doing inadvertently.... being in time on the metronome's downbeat, but rushing or dragging on all the notes in between. I'll have to start challenging myself to feeling the metronome on the last 16th-note / swung 8th-note more, that seems incredibly helpful. Thanks, Nate!
Nice , and great idea I've heard before . Recording oneself is always an eye opener. Another thing is playing the recording at 1/2 or 1/4 speed. Wow you really see time division issues then. They become blaring . Great job on concept and video !!
I think my main problem is I only practice like once every three months, but the next time I get around to it I'll try this, haha. Hopefully over the summer I'll actually play more.
Hey man, really enjoy the video. I'm a horn player and have been checking out your videos to develop some time exercises. So, apologies if this is rudimentary, but what is your internal process when you're doing these drills? Are you mentally counting, "1-and, 2-and, 3-and..." Subdividing even more? Or are you "feeling" for the beat? I would be curious to hear you elaborate on what is going on internally while you work on these. Thank you much.
You could do a "4 exercises to improve your time on all instrument". You could do a whole lesson on different ways to use the metronome. Micro time and Macro time (you are one of the few that even mentions Macro time on UA-cam). Heck, that's why I wanted a lesson with you when I still lived in NYC--and I'm a guitarist :)
hey, thanks for this video. i have this issue a lot. i havent been playing for very long, and im not advanced to the point where i can play well with the metronome on the 16th notes. if i did these same exercises while using the metronome on the down beats or the offbeats, what sort of results would i get? would it have the same effect as playing with the metronome on the 16ths?
Have you experienced what I call "Time Dilation?" That's where when you get an adrenaline rush usually up on stage and you play fast but you dont feel fast. Your sense of time gets altered just like when people get in a car crash and they see everything in slow motion. Recording yourself is important. Dont count on band members to point out your time issues. Many won't.
I've definitely been experiencing time dilation... I'm recording an album of my original songs, and I notice that the same tempo might seem too fast or too slow depending on what time of day I'm listening
@@lydiai.3658 If you sing have you noticed your voice/range changes as the day wears on? If you need lower range sing in the morning. If you need higher range sing at night (assuming you keep typical day/night sleep cycles.) Good luck trying this on stage. Maybe this only affects me since I have hypothyroidism. Which brings up - if you or someone you know has significant, sudden negative vocal changes get your thyroid levels checked. I'm not a pro so...
Worse than just that; I used to record every jazz session I sat in on and discovered that how I thought the tune went and how well I actually played had no correlation at all! The best were when I didn't try or give a damn, of course! Having one limb playing time, even silently like Tony's bouncing left leg, makes a huge difference.
How would you make the same exercise in compound time?
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Hey man great lesson and great concepts! Guitarist here. However For me it was dificcult figuring out. Excercises 1 and 2 as you dont specify that metronome clicks should be on offbeats at the sixteenth level. Thanks! My summary 1. We speed up offbeats specially on beats 3 and 4 2. We slow down beats particularly beats 1 and 4 3. Ee speed up “hemiolas” particilarly at the eighth mote level 4. We elongate pickup to downbeat phrases And to further wrap it all up I would say practice with a metronome in eighths in the sixteenth offbeats, or in every place of the bar except the one.
Hi Nat, my time is consistent, I am " just" ahead of the metronome, especially on the very first note of the bar, beginning of a phrase. Any suggestions? Well done by the way. Cheers
Hi! Can I ask you something? ..i'm improving my temnpo BUT there's something that I'm still struggling with: I tend to rush the kick, idk, but hihats and snare are on the grid and the kick is always a little bit ahead.Some advice. Thank you
I've always had good time and i discovered those displaced metronome exercises a few years ago and they REALLY made my timeso much better; especially in live and studio situation. The musicians i played with noticed it right away. Great video.
The weird thing is I'm currently working on displacements and this is definitely warping my brain. It's like 1 can be more universal the way you approach it, yet knowing where 1 originally is and actively shifting a phrase while sticking to where that 1 is really boggles the approach of the drum pattern in the relativity of time and particular phrasing. On top of this, the precise timing of a beat, feels like Whiplash... Rushing or Dragging? Ah, I'm not a drummer anymore...
I play a lot of syncopation, record often and accept the results. rare click i did often, but with offbeat metronome i just can't... falls apart superquickly all the time. it always feels like being suddenly in some exotic genre completely alien to me
Hi Nate, I've found myself dragging the backbeats before. Do you think it's a technique issud also, for instance maybe not lifting your left stick in time to drop it right on the note?
Rob Murray maybe, but I’ve always thought of technique as “top down”; ie if your ears are hearing it in the right place, your body/stick height will adjust
I’m a beginner drummer and...Yes, I nearly smashed my drum kit into a million pieces a few months ago bc I always speed up after going from fills to basic rhythm. I never drag, I’m always rushing through fills bc I’m scared I won’t fall back on basic rhythm when I complete fills. I’m also told my subdivisions are uneven too. The real misery is that, to me behind the kit, I feel like I’m ready to play a sold out Madison Square Garden ALONE with all fans mesmerized by my atomic clock-like steadiness. I can’t tell I speed up or rush or play uneven subdivisions and I practice with a metronome every day. Oh well, some have steady time, most don’t. 😢
I believe what you're probably lacking is the attitude of bringing this "you" that knows you're rushing hearing the recording to the drumkit. If you play without actively thinking about your possible time mistakes, no wonder you can't tell if you're out of time. It seems difficult to change your mindset but that only means more work to put into your craft, that is to be expected for all artists in any field, even more so for a beginner. Though I understand if you don't like the idea, I can be totally wrong about you afterall, but I felt like trying to help with a more grounded advice anyway.
If you guys are having trouble with timing and you just love to play rock music. So when you do a drum fill start hitting the snare first with one hit then with your right hand start hitting the hi hat then repeat what ever drum fill your doing and then after that just keep practicing and you should have no problem
I can't play on every 4th 16th on a metronome, I can only play on offbeats. I always slide back onto the metronome when I try to stay on a 16th. How I can learn this?
agree it feels very unnatural, here's how i'm doing it: 1. Start metronome click with a much slower tempo of quarter notes than 85bpm like nate suggests, ( maybe 50 or 60bpm). Count aloud with the click on the downbeats (so click falls on 1,2,3,4) but vocally emphasize the UH (1-e-and-UH-2-e-and-UH-3-e-and-UH-4e-and-UH) 2. Turn the metronome OFF while still counting emphasizing every 4th note (1-e-and-UH-2-e-and-UH-3-e-and-UH-4e-and-UH) 3.Turn metronome ON so the first click lands on the UH after the "1" 4. keep counting out loud and get very comfortable with the click sound lining up with the "UH" while counting aloud. 5. Try drumming a basic beat ONE HAND AT A TIME, starting with Hi-hat while counting aloud to this click. 6. Work up to a basic drum beat with all limbs. 7 work up to the exercise in this video.........it's definiltey a challenge and a struggle but following these steps a little bit every day has helped rewire my brain. you can practice with just hands in your lap without drums, just sitting anywhere.
I can tell you've been putting a lot of effort into making your videos more tight and concise. Keep it up man!
Thanks dude! yea, scripting them in advance is a lot more work, but makes for a better viewing experience, methinks :P
These kind of videos are also extremely valuable for us bass players- thanks dude. Subscribed!
this
When i first started playing the drums with a metronome, it ruined my drum experience.
The more you learn, the more you realize these things are crucial. you can't run away from it.
I watched a few of your vids and after this one I had to sub homie. Great work much appreciated
Thank you for sharing this. 3 minutes in I already know this is going to help me so much
Brutal exercises and extremely valuable. Thanks a million
DARRYN !!! How are you ??? :-)
Peter Guidera I'm great mate. How are you?
Brilliant video bro. I’ve been doing this stuff for years, Benny’s course on it is wild too.
Great video, Nate. Thanks a lot
This video is right on the nail. Thank you Nate!
Crazy how good all these videos are. On a binge right now!
excellent bro,
thanks a lot...
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Thank you for yet another fantastic video!
This is a great lesson, thanks!
Great lesson, thanks! Will be practising these for sure
Such a great and important lesson for all timekeepers!
Thank you sir! Great content and expertly presented 👍
I'm a pianist, but I'm definitely going to try practicing with some of the metronome placements you described here. Thanks for the awesome lessons!
I don't know if you have the technology to do this, but the things you're demonstrating would be much easier to follow if you had notation on the screen to aid the listener. The ideas are helpful, but just very difficult to follow.
Yes Sir, totally agree!!
Not hard to follow at all... I guess there are tutorials for all type of levels.
Great content & exercises 🎶👌🏽🥁
This really helps!! Thanks!
I’ve been watching your videos and more or less your videos alone and I’m seeing sooo much improvement in myself. Even tho only using cajon and djembe, been on them for 5 years, about to get a drum set. I’m excited. Thank you man !
DUDE YOU'RE SO AN AWESOME TEACHER
5.50 ... sh**ttt, that's fantastic approach and your in the pocket like helll. thanks so much and greetings from over in germany
Very Understated but very useful information
Love your stye
I enjoyed this lesson!
Awesome lesson
Great vid and helpful tips man!
Just found your channel. This is some killer stuff!
This is gold! I wish I knew this 15 years ago! Lol!
Thank you for your videos sir! I hope you'll have more subscribers. God bless 🥁
Class is in session. Pay much attention.. Big up to Nate and his method of teaching. He is a life coach of the drumming/music world. Much respect
The Gun n' Roses cover is a priceless side-splitter!
If you could give a visual of the pattern which is played your lessons would be perfect, anyhow verrry grateful for your advice!!!!
Awesome vid! Thanks!!
I’ve been looking for a lesson like this for ages. Thanks!
Gerald Perry awesome!
That's awesome i'm 28 and have been playing drums on/off for the last 5 years. But, feel like I haven't been making too much progress. Took a year off when I got out of a relationship. Just started getting back into practicing and playing the drum kit again. Looking to improve my overall time, flow, and groove. Thanks for these videos!
I’ve been a follower for years and Im very happy that you’ve been uploading more frequently these days!
Drummer Anthony amen!
Very informative and inspiring 👍.
This is gold! Funny thing: I had my own difficulties in stabilising the distance between those two notes on the bass drum you show at the end until I've realised that... the second one needs to be on the down beat! I was so preoccupied with playing the double it would come out haphazardly at random places. Once you lock the second one on the downbeat the first just lines itself up in the right place
I enjoy practicing with the metronome on the off-beats. Instant syncopation. It's just more fun, and really trains the ear as well as the mind.
Spot on!
5:10 Playing the bass against an off-beat metronome forces me to own the One - especially riffs where the One had a rest. These tips will take that to the next level. Thanks!
Great vid. Timing is the crux for a lot of musicians across the board, a lot don't even know it. Also keep meaning to comment on how amazingly Dilla-esque your intro is (you took on your own tips well didn't you lol) then I heard the Roni Size style breaks and bass in the outro and I just had to comment, wicked loops mate.
The part around 6 minutes in when you talk about playing to the metronomes off beats.....That is a brilliant idea Mate! I never really use my metronome because I feel like I am trying to "play along" with it! Using it your way forces you to hear all of its clicks rather than make them disappear! So much easierish….lol! Thank you!
Well done Nate. You are addressing one of the biggest pit falls of a drummer or any musician for that matter.
great one! i watched it while sitting with the pad!
can you do an afrobeat \tony allen style lesson?
I need to get a new metronome. It’s usually pretty solid but while I was trying these exercises it was all over the place! Speeding up and slowing down, doesn’t make it easy! 😂
Awesome video, very helpful, thanks a lot! My playing was rushing and dragging exactly as you said it would in the first couple. I love finding problems in my playing so I can address them. Luckily there’s no shortage of them.
just what i needed
Man!! That samba foot nugget is gold
I'm a huge advocate for playing to tunes and playing to the timing of tunes, but regardless whether it's the click or a song recorded to a click, it's all about practicing the subtle art of staying in time as it is a seperate skill itself and THE most important one.
Thanks for this video, curious on how to approach this concept in a swung setting? Switch to triplets? Much appreciated.
Really appreciate the clarity of your lessons, insight, and ideas. Quick question... Is there a specific reason why you use nylon tips in your videos? Do you always use them in practice, in practice and gigs, or do you ever use wood? Just curious to know if there is a particular reason for them in your practicing.
Reminds me of the lesson Mark Kelso did at Drumeo three years ago. Using the metronome in different places is a fun way to practice.
Great subject. There are some musicians who feel that working out with a metronome isn't musically organic enough. Granted, you're not going to generally have a metronome to follow on a gig and the time will naturally expand and contract when playing live, but a musician needs to intimately know what it feels like to maintain rhythms and grooves in a consistent tempo. They need something that is going to "tell them" that they have a tendency to rush at "this time" or drag at "this time", so they can consciously adjust their perception/action modes. As you alluded, doing this often enough becomes second nature and a normal part of how they play. All musicians and singers need to do this, not just drummers or bassists. Everyone is responsible for nurturing and maintaining their sense of "good" timekeeping. It will enhance everything you do including your appreciation for and enjoyment of the music!
Nate, you are awesome. In my humble opinion, this is the most valuable content a drummer can absorb. Thank you so much!
aaaaw bro...
Great practice! Can you mix in the metronome in postproduction next time? It kinda drowns under the drums.
good feedback. Baby steps :P
I actually love that effect. When he's with it, you can't hear it - but if he's even a fraction off, it pops back out again.
@@ChrisJohnsonDrums exactly!
Porcupine tree, good music dude
@@8020drummer Wait, as Chris (and Til Til) says, _not_ hearing the click is probably the most valuable clue you are on track. Please, don't alter that in sound editing. (OTOH, adding some _visual-only_ clue could still be a good idea.)
Great video again, BTW!
Great content as always Nate. I little concept I teach that can be expanded to any figure (16ths off beats for example) is to simply play everything in 16th upbeats, for example Stick Control (pages 5,6 and 7). Counting or singing the pulse is a must to really solidify the figure, and having the metronome on 8th notes forces them to create a steady flow of 16ths between the metronome and what they play. For the advanced students, I have them play a basic 8th note HH, 2+4 snare 1+3 bass drum groove displaced by a 16th, so that all the notes become 16th upbeats. First just counting quarter notes, then singing all the different permutations of 16th notes, reading from any 16th note based material (like the "melodies" on the New Breed) and finally just singing melodies, bass lines, guitar or keyboard riffs, etc. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Nate, keep it up!
I think this is a quite old vid, isn't it? Might be a really good one to remake. I'd really like a better explanation for the beat placement, with the mistakes! (8th note 16th note confusion). You could include the suggestion to mix the metronome and drums in post production so we can hear what is going on...
NIce vid. I've been focusing on my time lately. In particular, i've noticed that my time needs improvement: around fills, at section transitions (chorus, to bridge, etc), during solo sections, and even counting the band into a song. Setting the click to once a bar and offbeat 8th and 16ths has been revolutionary both on the pad and on the kit. I look forward to incorporating these exercises.
ibbumpn nice 🤜🤜
Love the video. Whats up white the artifacting around your head?
Great video! I love the info about rushing and dragging. I didnt know that quarter notes or off beat 8th notes could force you to play faster/ slower
Thanks! It's not exactly that they "force" us to play quicker or slower, more that, if we don't train our ears, they "sound normal" to us when we're playing, even when, to others, they're clearly rushing or dragging
The 80/20 Drummer Awesome information! I’ve followed your channel for over a year and never commented, so I really appreciate the reply
Very different stuff I like it I like it
Great video. EVERY drummer should know this! I have been practicing with the metronome on offbeats for the past couple years, but only when doing rudimental/snare only stuff. It also helps you to escape the 'micro timing cheating' that many drummers are prone to doing inadvertently.... being in time on the metronome's downbeat, but rushing or dragging on all the notes in between. I'll have to start challenging myself to feeling the metronome on the last 16th-note / swung 8th-note more, that seems incredibly helpful. Thanks, Nate!
How do you set the metronome exactly
Nice , and great idea I've heard before . Recording oneself is always an eye opener. Another thing is playing the recording at 1/2 or 1/4 speed. Wow you really see time division issues then. They become blaring . Great job on concept and video !!
Great idea thx!
Sweet. I've been a shit drummer for years. This video helps out a lot.
as another shit drummer trying to drag myself out of the frying pan....nicely said.
Same without a metronome im pretty good put that shit on and im like a total newbie
3:06 , I have to play this exact with rhythm every time I perform the song: ‘Santana - Maria Maria’.
Gotta love a teacher that starts with, record yourself. Like everyone has the capability.
We do all have the ability. If you can make a comment on UA-cam, then you can use that same computational device to record yourself
I think my main problem is I only practice like once every three months, but the next time I get around to it I'll try this, haha. Hopefully over the summer I'll actually play more.
Hey man, really enjoy the video.
I'm a horn player and have been checking out your videos to develop some time exercises. So, apologies if this is rudimentary, but what is your internal process when you're doing these drills? Are you mentally counting, "1-and, 2-and, 3-and..." Subdividing even more? Or are you "feeling" for the beat?
I would be curious to hear you elaborate on what is going on internally while you work on these. Thank you much.
You could do a "4 exercises to improve your time on all instrument". You could do a whole lesson on different ways to use the metronome. Micro time and Macro time (you are one of the few that even mentions Macro time on UA-cam). Heck, that's why I wanted a lesson with you when I still lived in NYC--and I'm a guitarist :)
and I found that the patido alto groove is so easy for rush and drag
hey, thanks for this video. i have this issue a lot. i havent been playing for very long, and im not advanced to the point where i can play well with the metronome on the 16th notes. if i did these same exercises while using the metronome on the down beats or the offbeats, what sort of results would i get? would it have the same effect as playing with the metronome on the 16ths?
Have you experienced what I call "Time Dilation?" That's where when you get an adrenaline rush usually up on stage and you play fast but you dont feel fast. Your sense of time gets altered just like when people get in a car crash and they see everything in slow motion.
Recording yourself is important. Dont count on band members to point out your time issues. Many won't.
I've definitely been experiencing time dilation... I'm recording an album of my original songs, and I notice that the same tempo might seem too fast or too slow depending on what time of day I'm listening
@@lydiai.3658 If you sing have you noticed your voice/range changes as the day wears on? If you need lower range sing in the morning. If you need higher range sing at night (assuming you keep typical day/night sleep cycles.) Good luck trying this on stage. Maybe this only affects me since I have hypothyroidism. Which brings up - if you or someone you know has significant, sudden negative vocal changes get your thyroid levels checked. I'm not a pro so...
Worse than just that; I used to record every jazz session I sat in on and discovered that how I thought the tune went and how well I actually played had no correlation at all! The best were when I didn't try or give a damn, of course! Having one limb playing time, even silently like Tony's bouncing left leg, makes a huge difference.
The metronome practice is wicked.
In a word.. awesome.. thank you for what you do so well :)
Best piece of kit I ever bought was a metronome.
How would you make the same exercise in compound time?
Hey man great lesson and great concepts! Guitarist here. However For me it was dificcult figuring out. Excercises 1 and 2 as you dont specify that metronome clicks should be on offbeats at the sixteenth level. Thanks!
My summary
1. We speed up offbeats specially on beats 3 and 4
2. We slow down beats particularly beats 1 and 4
3. Ee speed up “hemiolas” particilarly at the eighth mote level
4. We elongate pickup to downbeat phrases
And to further wrap it all up I would say practice with a metronome in eighths in the sixteenth offbeats, or in every place of the bar except the one.
I love the fact that Tony Williams ( if you really listen to him ) makes all of these mistakes too. And he’s a great drummer.
Hi Nat, my time is consistent, I am " just" ahead of the metronome, especially on the very first note of the bar, beginning of a phrase. Any suggestions? Well done by the way. Cheers
Just curious What time is check out in motel room your filming in?
hi nate is there any ex recommends for timing consistency?
like sometimes I drag/rush so much when play with ppl
I never realised you could understand timing in this way
I didn't know Sheldon played drums. 😏 good video man
joe domeier haha can’t escape it
Hi! Can I ask you something? ..i'm improving my temnpo BUT there's something that I'm still struggling with: I tend to rush the kick, idk, but hihats and snare are on the grid and the kick is always a little bit ahead.Some advice. Thank you
It is tough to play the bass 2 beats in quick succession. I play a drum rhythm that I do that with and it is always tricky.
What metronome are you using? Is that doing the a of 4 then 1 only?
I've always had good time and i discovered those displaced metronome exercises a few years ago and
they REALLY made my timeso much better; especially in live and studio situation.
The musicians i played with noticed it right away.
Great video.
Martin Laporte would you say that the same progress would happen if you had a metronome that can play 2 bars and then mute 2 bars and repeat?
The weird thing is I'm currently working on displacements and this is definitely warping my brain. It's like 1 can be more universal the way you approach it, yet knowing where 1 originally is and actively shifting a phrase while sticking to where that 1 is really boggles the approach of the drum pattern in the relativity of time and particular phrasing. On top of this, the precise timing of a beat, feels like Whiplash... Rushing or Dragging? Ah, I'm not a drummer anymore...
I play a lot of syncopation, record often and accept the results.
rare click i did often, but with offbeat metronome i just can't... falls apart superquickly all the time.
it always feels like being suddenly in some exotic genre completely alien to me
i am a bass player and if i play with a bad drummer for a long time, will it effect my timing.. what might help me
That Sweet Child of Mine is EPPICCC!!!!
Hi Nate, I've found myself dragging the backbeats before. Do you think it's a technique issud also, for instance maybe not lifting your left stick in time to drop it right on the note?
Rob Murray maybe, but I’ve always thought of technique as “top down”; ie if your ears are hearing it in the right place, your body/stick height will adjust
@@ns81 nice :)
Hard to tell exactly where you are starting with the metronome on some of the groove exercises. Can you be more specific?
every 4th 16th? So your saying to start these grooves on the ah of 1?
I have a hard time with the offbeat metronome thing... what’s the best way to get started with that?
Start out with a sloooow tempo and count all 16th notes. 1-e-&-a
I’m a beginner drummer and...Yes, I nearly smashed my drum kit into a million pieces a few months ago bc I always speed up after going from fills to basic rhythm.
I never drag, I’m always rushing through fills bc I’m scared I won’t fall back on basic rhythm when I complete fills.
I’m also told my subdivisions are uneven too.
The real misery is that, to me behind the kit, I feel like I’m ready to play a sold out Madison Square Garden ALONE with all fans mesmerized by my atomic clock-like steadiness.
I can’t tell I speed up or rush or play uneven subdivisions and I practice with a metronome every day.
Oh well, some have steady time, most don’t. 😢
I believe what you're probably lacking is the attitude of bringing this "you" that knows you're rushing hearing the recording to the drumkit. If you play without actively thinking about your possible time mistakes, no wonder you can't tell if you're out of time. It seems difficult to change your mindset but that only means more work to put into your craft, that is to be expected for all artists in any field, even more so for a beginner. Though I understand if you don't like the idea, I can be totally wrong about you afterall, but I felt like trying to help with a more grounded advice anyway.
If you guys are having trouble with timing and you just love to play rock music. So when you do a drum fill start hitting the snare first with one hit then with your right hand start hitting the hi hat then repeat what ever drum fill your doing and then after that just keep practicing and you should have no problem
I can't play on every 4th 16th on a metronome, I can only play on offbeats. I always slide back onto the metronome when I try to stay on a 16th.
How I can learn this?
Would also love to hear some advice on this.
agree it feels very unnatural, here's how i'm doing it:
1. Start metronome click with a much slower tempo of quarter notes than 85bpm like nate suggests, ( maybe 50 or 60bpm). Count aloud with the click on the downbeats (so click falls on 1,2,3,4) but vocally emphasize the UH (1-e-and-UH-2-e-and-UH-3-e-and-UH-4e-and-UH)
2. Turn the metronome OFF while still counting
emphasizing every 4th note (1-e-and-UH-2-e-and-UH-3-e-and-UH-4e-and-UH)
3.Turn metronome ON so the first click lands on the UH after the "1"
4. keep counting out loud and get very comfortable with the click sound lining up with the "UH" while counting aloud.
5. Try drumming a basic beat ONE HAND AT A TIME, starting with Hi-hat while counting aloud to this click.
6. Work up to a basic drum beat with all limbs.
7 work up to the exercise in this video.........it's definiltey a challenge and a struggle but following these steps a little bit every day has helped rewire my brain. you can practice with just hands in your lap without drums, just sitting anywhere.
@@thehum thank you very much :)
@@thehum Thanks!!
@@thehum nice, Greg! Definitely takes some brain rewiring!