I Sold My Outboard For A Gatortail
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- I sold my Yamaha F70 and bought a used Gatortail off of Facebook Marketplace. My friend John Estes, with Estes Performance, came by to give this "stage 2" a once over and teach me a few things about these Briggs motors and go for a test drive.
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As long as you dont mind every creature on earth for miles hearing you coming...
Man I’ll never switch back to an outboard. You’ll love that motor.
Johnny is an awesome dude. He helped me with a ton of info when I built my motor!
I enjoy mine, I’ve put mine through hell and it’s been fun. As long as you keep up on maintenance properly they are nice and reliable for the most part
Thank You For Sharing ! It Takes A Few Trips To Work Out The Kinks. Vanguard Motors Are Great !
Motor runs great!
thanks for making this
Those motors are Badass!!!
Hi from Ireland, thats a very interesting motor! Iv never seen one before, sounds cool!
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These motors are for going through mud. Traditional outboards use water from the lake youre in to pump through the engine to cool it. The gator tail is air-cooled so its not as efficient and is much slower considering the size of the motor when compared to an outboard but it does benefit from being a sealed system and does not require being in water to run so you can run the boat through mud which is necessary for duck hunting since the water is low during the winter.
I am a Duck hunter and have zero need for a mud motor.
On the Mississippi River I don’t see the mud motors any place I can’t go with an outboard.
I ran a couple of Argo 6x6 for duck hunting a few years ago. They had Briggs vanguard which constantly needed work (carbs, valve lash, ect.).
Unless there’s a Honda twin swap, sell it now and save your headaches.
Oilslick color on exhaust looks kinda cool ~
I love the videos keep it up
I have an excel and ot kinda pushed down in the bow like that and was told that is the nature fo rth boat and motor to run the shallow .I never played much with it as it is new to me bit plan on running it more in april
That 15' havoc is going to fly with that 70. I have one with a 40, wouldn't mind having a motor that size on mine.
@@Blade-mh3mi he said it did low 50s with a good prop but needed the motor a good bit higher. He already sold it and put a gtr on the boat
The float is either sticking or set too high you can adjust the float and it won’t overfill the bowl and overflow like that.
@@terryfonz4603 it was neither. The enrichment piston got stuck after a few throttle whacks and overfilled it.
Smart love gator tail
that thing is sweet
Yuhhh eb switching over from gtr to outboards wit jack plates
Mikuni makes one seat for a boat and one for a motorcycle. Most guys who change em don’t know this. Been down this road
great video im subbed.
Noticed the HD sticker. Are yall from Houston?
Bad ass motors , they are just loud asf .
@tommyluke6407 Yeah... that's why I was so hesitant to make the switch but so far I've been alot more comfortable going where I used to be very hesitant.
That’s one of the main reasons I went with an outboard when I got a new boat this year, and the speed.
I’m currently running a 50hp Suzuki on a 1756 DBST with a light load (me, full fuel, 4doz decoys, anchor, blind, and some other gear) and I get 42+ going down river and 35 up… bumping it up to 60hp soon and hoping to hit 38-40 going up river
Your nose could be dipping because of a trim tab set incorrectly. I have a very heavy boat as well. My boat is 2172 single turbo charge mud buddy. It planes out very nicely and I can hit a speed of 32 miles an hour.
@ryanwolfert8618 no trim tabs on these. I did fight a hook for a bit but I was able to get that out. The weld is a little tall on the back too but I'm still playing with it.
I would rather have an outbored but a gator tail is the best mud motor on the market
@TrippHalford after running this one for a few months it definitely depends on the type of water you hunt. I'm happy with it so far even with the hulls shortcomings
Sick video im looking into a gatortail myself. Would you mind telling me what watch your wearin at 13:21?
@@Bringyourquivertotheriver fit bit versa 4
Runs like a champ now! 💥💯 Why did you switch from outboard to a Gator-Tail?
@@ar15gator where I hunt in etx, the outboard was limiting me on places I could hunt and wasn't trying to tear up a perfectly good outboard. So far, the gatortail has taken me to places I wouldn't even dream of taking an outboard.
@ Amazing! I am thinking of a little build for myself to go exploring, and fresh water fishing in Florida, during the cooler months, and I’ve always liked the long-tails, GatorTail style setups, but I’ve had the hang up because of my past outboard motor, life experiences, but when you get into the shallows, the skinny water, the marshy water, that creates so much havoc and expense, along with the risk and inconvenience, of being stranded for awhile, the long-tail is always nipping at my heels, especially being on a smaller build, 12-14’ Lund Jon boat, with a max allowable 20hp because of the FL State ruling on the particular waterway, lake I will be frequenting. Your video, and even more so, your response, has helped me make my decision on what avenue to go towards with my little build. Thank you very much.
Is this on lake Conroe?
@@ElijahE-k3l sure is
I have a mudbuddy 5500 black death with duel carburetor what a pain in the ass I working on them carburetors more often than I am running never again will I buy a motor with duel carburetor going to sell it this spring I'm so sick of working on it
@jeremybahm2163 trade the dual carb setup for a single mikuni hsr. Depending on where you're located, I know someone whod buy the dual kit.
I'm honestly just going to sell that motor and get the mudbuddy 5000 I bought the 5500 black death new in 2013 I have a ton of hours on it just doesn't push a heavy load like it used to
Dude running 110octane in a turbo mud motor… he’s gotta be pushing 90hp+ based on his speeds with a 1860
I've got a similar setup but only running non ethanol 93. 1860 prodigy delta performance turbo set up internal upgrades and tuned. Purs like a kitten an runs mid 30's consistently
The 4wd of the mud motor is better than the smooth steer and performance of outboard, unless you strictly run deep water! Your definitely plowing water, heavy boat…. Transfer some weight.
@tylfernandes9707 it's definitely q bulldozer right now lol I'm hoping playing with the trim pin gets me there with a new prop because there's not much else I can move off the bow
What’s it running mph in shallow water? I know those motors gain a little speed once they hit 2ft or less.
I only have a cheap 15hp mudskipper on an old 1636 but I will see my speed go up 2mph once I hit 1.5 foot or less. This is where these mud motors shine is when there is hardly no water. I have been in spots than no outboard can go getting to a hole.
@drums4jesus21 I honestly don't know right now. I got it running and tested and then dropped it off at Estes Performance to do a few things to it. I should have an update video around the first week of December with a new prop too.
@ that motor should be running even better once you get a new prop and some work done by Estes. It sounded good on the last run you did.
There is a company right now that has designed a closed cooling system for outboards that is designed to run very shallow called Freedom Motors for those that want the speed of an outboard and the ability to get in places a normal outboard want go.
@@drums4jesus21 she's healthy already for sure. Just needs a little love. It definitely needs a good prop because the stock ca57 wasn't it.
@@JackwagonoutdoorsAgreed! Definitely looking forward to seeing it after it gets back with the mods.
@@Jackwagonoutdoorsbe careful with prop selection these motors want a specific prop for specific loads boat sizes power levels it can get weird quick trying to tune your setup
Yeah you're going to regret taking that outboard off
@nicktoofar3514 having both would be nice. The surface drive is already serving its purpose taking me to places I never dreamed with an outboard !
@Jackwagonoutdoors yeah you probably cared about your outboard too much you really can't worry about tearing it up and it'll get you where you got to go.... No I get it... But with the weight of decoys, stoves, heaters, dogs and all the shit we think we have to have to kill ducks I'm yet to see a serface drive that can transfer enough energy to the water on a heavy boat to justify switching. If u hunt timber in the south maybe it's a good fit. But up north we maybe in a shallow Marsh one day and traveling 10 mies up the Missouri River the next.
I have seen boats with an outboard and surface drive. I've also seen boats with multiple surface drives. I think the only real solution is just have multiple boats😁... I hope it works out for you man.
@nicktoofar3514 there's no question my 70 hauled a load better. Honestly I'm thinking of downsizing already since I solo hunt mostly. Either that or building a layout pirogue or something to bring with me.
@@Jackwagonoutdoors check out those four river boats
Didn’t know they where carb would have thought they where fuel injected
@wheresthetren1262 most of them after 2016 went efi but those come with their own set of issues as well.
The older 35-37hp variants are carb’s the gator tails and mud buddy’s that are 40hp and + from the factory are EFI.
I have a 2012 that’s carbureted, I see some guys convert them back because of efi issues sometimes
@DownSouthDiver can't lose a hp pump if you don't have one lol
It’s prob got the wrong carb seat. Call boat dr out of Louisiana he will have the part
Know a guy that has 115 on a 15 ft havoc
Should have kept the 70
@@wheresthetren1262 If I could only have both lol
He will regret this move
Hello from Finland. No trim on that motor? Your plowing because on plane the motor pushes bow of The boat down.I bet you had a trim on that Yamaha. I guess you could adjust the trim Angle to some degree manually on that thing..? With proper trim you would get over 30knots easily.
@anttivuori8659 it has trim and I've played with it, it's not a trim related issue. It's between the prop and setup.
Does sound as it could use more prop, and a little lower into the water maby?@Jackwagonoutdoors
Prop looks like it's getting too much air
@joewinkler2168 the sweet spot on these surface drive props for the rooster tail is about motor height. Half the prop runs out of the water.
@@Jackwagonoutdoorsthe centerline of thrust is higher on the surface drive. Unless you were set up to surface the 70. Trimming out to create the ideal running angle is not possible as the prop is already half out of the water. If the boat has any hook in the running surface near the transom you will fight plowing. Surface drives like a bit of rocker. Rocker creates natural bow lift and the thrust angle counters it. Bottom mods would likely be more economical and reliable than chasing horsepower.
Truck with a Carolina squat? Yeah we're looking at a pattern of bad decisions.
It’s called Bull Dog
Gotta give us an answer-
He surely doesn’t own a f250 to just pull a boat right?
@dirtymotovation na its just a little f150 haha
You should have gotten the 40 hp
@Cooper-sf9kf lol no. This makes way more than that and I don't have to deal with all of the hpfp issues
@Jackwagonoutdoors it looked like a 25 hp
@Cooper-sf9kf yeah I forgot it still had that 25hp sticker on there. Someone put it on there before I had it i guess.